Gza - Hip Hop is in a state of depression ( fuck Soulja Boy)

[ifartnaked]

@rightbackatyouable say what?

[Mistercai22]

But yeah, soulja boy is a T.I. wannabe too

[Mistercai22]

So it was supposed to say: Fuck soulja boy! He's gone from a horrible lyricist to just another wack ass lil Wayne wannabe.

[Mistercai22]

I meant to put to, not ti. T.I. Ain't no wannabe

[Mistercai22]

Fuck soulja boy! He's gone from a horrible lyricist ti just another wack ass lil Wayne wannabe

[comonSense0728]

@Belial690 listen to protect ya neck(the jump off),house of flying daggers,rules and tell if you think they died in 1999.

[KingzofCuriozity]

fuck soulja boy? I DIDNT SAY THT!!! ahahah xD good shit Wu-Tang is forever! VV

[mistanature]

Fuck Soulja Boy!!!

[Imaaze2]

man fuck soulja boy n lil gayne, fucking hip pop shit.

GZA is still fucking real,

but if Big L N Big Pun were alive the hiphop would be BOOOm BAP ORIGINAL RAP

[HipHopHead15]

fuck soulja boy

you killed hiphop

now hiphop gonna kill you

bitch ass muthafucka

[Arctichayze18]

lol, i remember when people were talkin mad shit about wu tang when they came out. niggaz just cant stand gettin elbowed out they way by a 16 year old

[gilbertrivas17]

hip hop is fucked up, FUCK SOULJA BOY!!!!!!

[TheGamingAdventure]

soulja boy is a fucking cunt, he part of any gangs or shit like that? the nigga is a pussy plain and simple

[911beats]

man get the fuck off the internet u 12 year old muddafuka

this stupid muddafuka said soulja boy aint part of no gangs thats why hes crap

hahahaha

[lkinop]

Nah now c'mon if you think being part of a gang is the essence of hip hop you should not be listening to it! Hip Hop is about expressing yourself, emmotionally and spiritually, in a meaningful, creative manner. However, Soulja Boy does not do this, he is possibly the worst rapper I have ever come across and that is saying something! He embodies all that is wrong with modern Hip Hop.

[izrealmvp]

Wu tang 4ever....Soulja boy is gay...plain and simple FUCK SOULJA BOY YOUR WACK HOMIE!! BATTLE ME I SWEAR I'LL MURDER YOU!

[chrisnguyen3204]

WU TANG WU TANG

[rhymesayers1229]

nah dude soulja boy is gay as shit, he doesn't do anything but hooks and dances. What can you honestly say is prolifically talented about his lyrical content. Fuckin nothing, he doesnt drop any kind of "science" you fuckin herb.

[Rusi101]

Young rappers who were born after 90s, they cant be blamed, industry is to blame..

Good MC`s dont get the $ cus rookies be promoted on internets. Sad.

Ive been rapping for a year and a half aint afraid of SB.. Sure as hell know people who would make him sweat..

Hiphop is all about skill, none of the skill comes free. Hard work and practice, no matter the element u gotta stay raw and sharpen your skill. Still i am sure generations that are to come are going to be fire!

[jfs1408]

I'm saying that by anyone saying that just because one doesn't have experience, doesn't mean they can't rap. And by you saying that rappers who don't drop science make club bangers, you basically stated my issue. I don't mind people dancing to music, not my bag, i'm a head bobber. Music that makes people move should come naturally, not because the motherfucker rapping called it out. You say he has flow and numerous people have told me this, so I checked out some of his recent shit. Not impressed

[jfs1408]

Nas dropped Illmatic when he was 19, and was already an ill MC when he dropped Halftime in 92' two years before his album, so life experience doesn't make a good MC. Lupe hasn't sold rocks or killed anyone, but he's ill. Soulja boy doesn't drop science, he drops the same bombs that lead to Hip Hop now being on Life Support. No flow, no skills.

[sTi11MaT1c]

I think that Nas was actually 22 years old when he dropped Illmatic, because he's 36 now.

[glasspig]

"HipHop is in tha state of 9-1-1"

Song: Business

Eminem said that back in 2003,

NOW look at it, it's even worse.

[eyepatchplease]

Come do me... thanks GZA, nice ref and rep

[theHipHopHead]

i think that the fans that buy these bullshit from now days are also to be blamed for the death of hip hop

[c3xmjr]

soulja boy wak

[Rocafile]

hip hop is in a state of depression lol

[allinyadamnface2]

But what I dont understand is this..As a black man in america..Im glad to see Soulja Boy come up....I mean damn..Prime example of crabs in tha bucket..STOP HATING..DAMN..Old ass niggas talkin shit to uh damn teenager...Thats uh damn shame..Washed up niggas like Ice t...Yall East COast Niggas need to learn how to grind and stop tha winin..Yall only makin yallself look like hoes....

[johncastro27]

bitch shut tha fuck up soulja boy cant rap and he fuckin shit up you dumb bitch

[allinyadamnface2]

Nigga..first of all dont disrespect me like that..But then again you bumpin ova youtube...And SO WHAT IF HE CAN'T RAP..WHAT THA FUCK DO THAT GOTTA DO WITH THAT NIGGA GETTIN OUT THA HOOD...WHAT THA FUCK YO SORRY ASS DOING...WHY YOU HATIN ON HIM HE GETTIN MONEY FUCK NIGGA..DUMB ASS NIGGA

[johncastro27]

hey nigga your ass sore yet??? because you sho riding soulja boy dick hard as a mothafucka you sure you feeling aight?? old hoe ass nigga

[13red06]

thats fine... but while he brings himself up, being used as a puppet by producers, he sends a false, ignorant, and just plain stupid message to the black youth who then think life is about hoes , money and dressing like a clown. its another form of oppression aside from being shitty music.

[allinyadamnface2]

Naw not really...Its music my nigga...He aint tryin to SEND A GOT DAMN MESSAGE..ITS FOR YOU TO DANCE TOO..NOT GET A GOT DAMN HISTORY LESSON OUT OF...And alot of all this hate just come from pussy ass niggas that use to rap that aint gettin money no mo..Stop cryin like uh bitch my nigga..If u dont like it..DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT..Until then..shut tha fuck up ol hatin ass nigga..Real Niggas dont hate on another nigga gettin money..BUT THEN AGAIN...U R A WHITE BOY..DUMB ASS CRACKA..

[13red06]

worong assumtion buddy im latino. your assuming and language proves my point your an 85%er. go listen to souljs boy. and no not all REAl hip hop is about knowledge which you apparently can't stand. its about the art, misrepresenting and not the money. go ahead and make your jhoes and rims music but don't call it hip hop, call it pop.

[allinyadamnface2]

Latino....WELL GO LISTEN TO DADDY YANKEE OL HO ASS NIGGA...HOW THA FUCK YO ASS GONE TELL ME WHATS HIP HOP AND WHATS NOT..HAHAHA..GET OFF THA BOO BOO MY NIGGA...YALL NIGGAS HATIN..BROKE ASS NIGGA..JUST LISTEN TO WHAT U WANNA LISTEN TO..DONT HATE ON THAT NIGGA BECAUSE HE GETTIN MONEY..WHEN I GO CLUBBIN MY NIGGA..I DONT WANNA HEAR THAT BULLSHIT U LISTEN TO..ITS A NEW AGE MY NIGGA...A DIFFERENT TIME...And what they do is an art..Why wouldn't it be..Just because u cant relate ol broke ass nigga...

[13red06]

haha i can't stand daddy yankee. at first i thought it was good party music but then it got to hip POP immitation. and i bet im younger than you im 17. u have never even heard what i listen to so how can you judge it. i bet you don't know shit about hip hop, where it ccame from, the fiv elements, or the pioneers. no its not art, "super xsoak that hoe, whoooo". and "lick that lolli pop" hahaha what a joke

[allinyadamnface2]

hahaha...Yall niggas swear hip hop is a religion....Dumb ass niggas...Most of yall broke...weak ass nigga...HIP HOP IS DEAD IN THA EAST..BUT IT LIVE IN THA SOUTH..RATHER U LIKE IT OR NOT..IT AINT ABOUT ALL THAT BREAK DANCING AND SHIT...If its about tha way of life then whats wrong with what we do in tha South..We invented MUSIC PERIOD NIGGA..Tha Repative choruses and shit..Do yo history be4 u start spittin that Hip hop religion shit fuck nigga....

[RealHipHopTunes]

we dont think hip hop is a religion,cuz its not, is culture and music,do u your dumb research cousin thats all i gotta say........peace

[allinyadamnface2]

Nigga please...Half of yall dont even know what their saying...Most of em dunn sold their sold my nigga..So what tha fuck u talkin about...

[RealHipHopTunes]

so even if they didnt or didnt sell their souls they're underrated

[RetardedPeopleLegion]

yo shut your ignorant ass up. go kill yourself you are just a roadblock to progression. look at your page you have nothing but arab and soulja boy shit. what you like them niggas you a faggot or something. and quit claiming youre a blood i know a bunch samoans in carson, cali. that fuck you up in a second. Hip Hop is in this state because a bunch of retards like you were let outta the institution.

[ptgkchris]

This is what I think of Soulja Boy

Copy and Paste at the end of the URL

/watch?v=87jSAGI6bAw

[supastar8098]

@allinyadamnface2 if its hot in the south how come soulja boy said he was disappointed in his sales how come gucci mane cant sell records birdman cant sell records really if they doing their thing they would sell records i do my research on wikipedia to back up the talk

[HoSgage]

fuck soulja boy, he tries to come out with diss songs towards some fuckin rappers that have done shit for the industry. people are just tired of hearing his whack ass beats and rhymes on the fuckin radio. "If you go platinum it has nothing to do with luck, it just means a million people are stupid as fuck"

[phatnick624]

get off soulja boys dick u know hes wack

[jfs1408]

First of all, I'm fourteen, and black so if I myself don't like Soulja Boy, which is true that makes me a hoe? No, the nigga can't fuckin' rap. He swears that people hate him because he has money and shoes. My definition of a good rapper is one who can drop a ill fuckin' verse, and in mine and just about anyone else's opinion, SB doesn't bring that to the table.

[blahLTblah]

yeah , nas realy did a lot

[blahLTblah]

what did he said about nas ?

[DaHipHopAdvocate]

He said Nas is ill and did a lot for hip hop

he was bigging him up

[DramaZombies]

preach it sir

[HotGirl696]

P diddy although i respect his buisness acumen, brought about the demise of hip hop in the late 90s. its been downhill ever since.But real hip hop is on the rise again, people want to hear truths in these times not bullshyt about 100ft yachts,shifting 100s ks, diamonds which no one can fuccin buy anyway. People are losing their damn homes n shyt.Most of those fuccers so called ballin are broke now anyway.

Social commentary and creativity is whats needed in these timesRepresenting whats real.

[DMoeVocalSwords]

I don't think Hip Hop is based on what you talk about, but HOW you talk about it. Creativity and Originality are they key elements in writing lyrics. Big L and Big Pun are two prime examples of emcees who talk about the money, bitches, jewels, and guns, BUT they do it in a creative way which doesn't put them in the gang banging category, but in Real Hip Hop's.

[js83]

Mainstream hiphop is still in a bad shape...and its getting worse as time goes on...

And Fuck P Diddy.

[mdmoulds]

Soulja Boy sold fucking millions and millions... Of ring tones to 5 to 8 year olds!

[supastar8098]

@mdmoulds yeah ringtones but cant sell no albums

[bluedoc4888]

Soulja boy had da nerve to claim nas killed hip hop... Fuck soulja boy definitely needed to be said

[onblock7]

Soulja BOY is dead, his album flopped and he is blaming someone one.... Someone just dead that idiot from the music industry and youtube videos, nobody gives two shyts what that clown has to say.

[BuddhaBrand415]

fuck a soulja boy...

dopest part of the vid was when he called it..by saying.."this vid gone b on youtube tomorrow" haha

[420jdb]

I SAY FUCK SOULJA BOY!

[Reality9O]

I dont know what bothers me the most, the so called "rappers" that ruined hiphop/rap or the people who says hiphop/rap is ruined and then goes to support the dumb ass so called "rappers" who made it happend...

[LifeJuice90]

Ice Cube needs to put out another killer like predator and raise a middle finger to the hip hop community's worst artist.

[LK5150360]

yo word up....and this is on some real shit...

anybody who puts the word or attempts to vainly don the title of "soldier",

could eat a fat dick.

they never earned the title...

will never earn the title....

and until you go to war and kill a shitload of niggas and blow some shit up, and serve your goddamn country instead of dissing the very foundation your special-ed-sounding ass exists on.

shut the fuck up and change your fucking name.

p.s. wutang clan aint nuttin ta fuck with!

[benvindo05]

50 cent

Soulja Boy

Dj Unk

The rest of G-Unit

Jim Jones

and many more

are all hip hop killers

[yingyangboy89]

The WORST hip hop artists, well fucked up wannabes-

-Soulja boy

-Lil wayne

-50 cent

-The rest of g-unit

-Akon

-timbaland

They all suck dick, and are a complete discrace to hip hop.

[13red06]

good list i would throw in p-diddy for introducing the money aspect.

also t-pain, birdman... yea you pretty much got it,

[trudon]

@yingyangboy89 well 50 akon, timbo and g-unit were good at one point.

[youngbg92]

Wu Tang kills Soulja Boys!

[Terrence890]

"who in here like souljaboy?" "BOOOOOOOOOO" LMFAO

[cgckilla]

fuck flo rida and sooulja boi

[8DiagramsOfDeath]

The nigga who you responded too, durr

[8DiagramsOfDeath]

He never said anything about his on dumbass

[gregNYCetothex]

fuck soulija boy, fuck lil wayne, wu tang and immortal technique, viva la revoulcion

[youngbg92]

man, i miss 2pac n Eazy... Fuck that nigga bitch boy, hem no Soulja Boy

[sombermike]

"we might not have the hottest ringtone" that was hilarious.

I have to say the best moment was when gza says fuck soulja boy and everyone cheers. there still is hope.

[dippyaim]

Why put nas and lil wayne in the same sentence? i dont particularly like nas but he is dope as hell on the mic. lil wayne has no lyrical credibility and he just believe's his own hype that uneducated hip hop fans give him.

[corvetteman3]

soulja boys lyrics suck DICK

[STR8MARGATE]

soulja got no fans in that crowd lol

[orr4eva13]

... if Souljah Boy randomly teleported in that crowd, I think he'd be fucked.

[bar95900]

and fuck lil wyne

[xlyesterdaylx]

Don't fuck with wutang hhahaha.

[bympy]

THANK YOU

[jac5562]

how the fuck any1 gunna say fuck nas,fuck them

[djhousefire]

gotdamn, now GZA in on this shit? hopefully, this feud between Ice-T and Soulja Boy will get some of these OG's back on the mic, droppin the shit like they used to. hip-hip desperately needs it.

[darkblumachine]

GZA said that he didn't say that!

he even said he got shit that's knockin

He said he had respect for him gettin his money out here in this depressed-state of music.

But me personally, i say "Fuck him" too with the others on stage and in the crowd.

GZA ain't knockin the dude for gettin his money, and i ain't either, he just garbage and i think that SOULJA BOI shouldn't be where he is.

but he's here and it's done so screw it!

[VinnyBoy32]

haha I laughed my ass off. Love Wu-tang.

[Tickka]

FUCK SOULJA FOOOL!

[TheCrowdPleasa]

everything this dude aid is fkn true, kid.

[Ynot707]

no doubt son.

[hitman450]

Soulja Boy to hiphop music is like Britney Spears to pop...here today, gone tormorrow.

(For reference, see Vanilla Ice, New Kids on The Block, Nsync, Backstreet Boys...u get the drift). In a year, his biggest fans wonm't even admit to ever liking him.

[mazski12]

If you think Soulja Boy SUCKS

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[jinunit]

Nas and GZA forever!!!

fuck soulja boy.

[425854]

If you think Soulja Boy SUCKS

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[lafuzion]

GZA's verse on "Triumph" > Soulja Boy's Catalog.

WU-TANG FOREVER!!!

[bsilver887]

no comparison really. here's a real one:

silence is more lyrical and smarter than anything off soulja boy's catalog.

[Jake5150]

"this shit will be on youtube tomorrow, i dont give a fuck"

hahaha

[hockeymask510]

If the most dollars equals the best rapper, here's my top 3 rappers right now.

1)Bill Gates

2)Warren Buffet

3)Garth Brooks

YOUUUUUUUUUU need to recognized that they be papered up, yo. Recognize up in this biz-natch.

[SpraxIAKS]

Besides myself I haven't seen anybody else actually compare people with real money. Thank you so much.

[26chambers]

i really like how he gave nas his due respect when some dumb fuck in the crowd yelled fuck nas....i respect gza for that.

[progjunky]

word

[Abezter]

word.

[BermudaEntrepreneur]

Wu-tang and Nas forever! Fuck soulja boy!

[425854]

If you think Soulja Boy SUCKS

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[AnAcidRevolution]

word. Nas and Wu-Tang are real hip-hop. not Soulja Boy and Hurricane Chris and VIC.

[apache144]

fuck soulja boy¡¡¡¡¡

wu tang 4 ever¡¡¡¡¡

[SoloStarJanuaryMusic]

Hip-Hop is really f'ed up right now. And a lot of up and coming artists now a days are into that nonsense that gets mad play on the radio.

I want to see more artists who are about theirs and can really rap and speak about true life situations and tell stories like how hip-hop used to do. Who's with me? Check MY CHANNEL to see such an artist!

[cxuy509]

i shoot a soulja boy jus 2 test my aim..

[blackadam06]

I know he's a kid, but I'll say it anyway: FUCK SOULJAH BOY!!

I don't give a fuck about that SUPER WACK ASS clown!

He epitomizes EVERYTHING I DESPISE about what Rap Music has DEGENERATED into!

And fuck all these dummy kids who support that wack shit!

It's because of them, rap music & R&B is in the shitty condition it's in right now..

[imc4lbutters]

i love wu-tang they are amazing and I always say fuck soulja boy to anyone who likes him.

[kamesan]

lol that's a good one!

[reak7835]

wu tang 4 eva... fuck some bullshit that's out right now...nas is real good! he's stillillmatic... hip hop IS fucked up! fuck soulja boi! he was cool in the begining...but the mood all changed now! nowadays all they wanna do now is dance...the batman...the superman...an all that... "you gotta step like this 2 b a soulja boi or girl..." GET THAT WACK SHIT OFF B.E.T. AND PUT SOME REAL HIP HOP ON NAT! fuckin' white frame glasses with white letters on the lenses... but gza is smart it is on youtube.

[grandauthorities]

yEAH,MOTHERFUCK SOULJA BOY!!!

[ainlsey25]

GZA 4 ever mother fuckerz

[knop95]

yay! fuck soulja boy wu tang clan aint nothin to fuck with!

[Khmerb00]

FUCK SOULJA BOI!

[ac1dchr15t]

FFFFFUCCCCK SOULJA BOOOOY

[OddOunce]

FUCK SOULJA BOY!!!!!

And fuck these overjoyed pimpled teens

feeding into simple dreams.

AND FUCK SOULJA BOY.

Crank that robo what?

You stupid homo slut.

Suck a corporate dick.

[MiChAlThEKliKKKeR]

I SAID FUCK SOULJA BOI!!

[Esco]

Hip-hop lives underground....just pay attention

[bzup9mm]

gl with that rapper thing or w-e.

for me its like.

nas-tupac-biggie is pretty dam good-lupe fiasco-soulja boi (haha no seriously he sucks).. eum..eminem...T.I...kanye west isn't that bad either.

[bzup9mm]

what the fuck?who the hell are you?have u been reading my comments correctly,or maybe you didn't learn how to fucking read,was i dissing wu-tang?no,but they sure as hell are not the best thing around.

[akaPayton]

fuck souljah boy and fuck all mainstream bullshit !!! da real HIP-HOP neva die mothafuckas

[akaPayton]

fuck souljah boy and fuck all mainstream bullshit !!! da real HIP-HOP neva die mothafuckas

[sameoldage88]

fuck soulja boy, he aint no hood! down here in da real hood, down here in the real south he aint shit... hip hop??? fuck man shit like soulja boy is FUCKING HIP POP you fucking fags... listen to sum dr dre, nwa public enemy, sum mother fuckin game!! sum shit that means sumthin, not sum gay ass dumb mother fuckin neandrathol fuckin song. if u honestly like that song, dont come to the real southwest, u wont make it down my block bumping that gay shit... nbk btl XMF feey town loks, t dubz, ksr,nvb!

[BishopsRobe]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckkk yyouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu soulja boy

[titsnass32]

Preach Wu=Tang, fuck these niggaz fuckin up tha game

[kidfromcali22]

if gza and the rest of wu tang say fuck soulja boy.....then FUCK Soulja Bitch!!!!!

[ksamons]

I can't help but notice how ignorant some people on here are. Dey cayn't evin speel. Fuck that, knowledge is power, get some.

[ayeisaac]

all these people saying wu-tang aint shit,

remember this verse:

'killa bees sold: 50 GOLD, 60 PLATINUM.'

110 Albums, who the fuck else has put out that many records.

[bzup9mm]

tupac...eminem...and almost kanye.don't get me wrong man, i got some props for wu-tang,but man don't be to critising on (wu-tang) being the (best)because they aren't that much really.

[Gzadamus]

wtf you talkin about son.....

wutang started this shit...

and still on the mic...

wutang = best.....

[bzup9mm]

howabout you begin talking normally (son) it don't make you sound cool btw...and wutnat didn't start anything,they did make it better..but don't give them full props...wutang is not the best..infact not even close..closer to most rapper's yes.

[Gzadamus]

haha...

god your dumb..

"it dont make you sound cool"

how about better grammar then ill talk rit sonnn...

they were there in the beginning and still are...

wu tang forever.. mutha fucka

[bzup9mm]

(mutha fucka),yeup im dumb...i never said wu tang was shit,have you noticed?no i said they are not the best..but yes are closer to the best then (most) rappers..please learn to read before talking shit.

[ltlightning14]

drop it

[DaCellaFella]

hiphop didn't start in 93 ...more like 20years earlier ...so .. beginning? ..erm...nah

[ltlightning14]

ok... 86.. but they were there pretty much in that start and so ya... bitches..