People just cannot think clearly. What did Christ teach? What did He say?
Mat. 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
And by 'Hell' Christ means 'hell fire':
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
How do we know it means 'completely destroy the soul'?
Amazing how that fat gasbag preacher at 1:44 is certain that he is right and Pearson is wrong. He won't consider even for a moment that he might be wrong. And the fat gasbag is wrong: Jesus never once spoke about hell. How do we know? Because "hell" is an Anglo-Saxon word, not Greek, not Hebrew, not Aramaic. Jesus never once uttered the word "hell." Jesus spoke about Gehenna, a real physical place outside the walls of Jerusalem that was used as a trash dump.
"Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord. They say continually to those who despise the word of the Lord, ‘It shall be well with you’; and to everyone who stubbornly follows his own heart, they say, ‘No disaster shall come upon you.’ ”
"Hell" is neither a Hebrew or a Greek word (both Old and New Testaments were written in those languages), nor did it primarily indicate "a place of torment." Biblical translators actually derived it from a secular German word - spelled hel - meaning nothing more than concealed or covered. The concept of a demon regulated horror-house was indeed derived from that word, but it actually evolved from Teutonic mythology.
But, unfamiliar to the Christian majority, the word "hell," in the entire Bible was actually translated from four unique words: Sheol (where the dead are located), Gehenna (a valley in Jerusalem used for dumping refuse), Hades, and Tartarus (place for devil & angels; not humans).
@BigE7 Actually hades is the same medaphore for the Hebrew word Shoel. The use of tarturus is perfect when you understand the real mythology of it. Ancient mythology tells that tarturus was only a prison for rebeliouse Greek gods such as cronos and the titans. All the dead went to hades. There is no entity in tarturus known as the devil. These fallen are in restraints and have no influense with man. A prison is a prison. You just cant come and go when you want.
@SwordofManticorE Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 AND YOU, BEING DEAD IN YOUR SINS and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses..
Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, LET THE DEAD BURY THEIR DEAD: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
LET THE DEAD ( PEOPLE ) BURY THEIR DEAD. You are dead wrong!
here are a couple of more sites I know off the top of my head, may Jesus Christ deliver you from traditions of men & fear.
Bible-truths(.com)
Bible Threatenings Explained (google)
Kingdombiblestudies(.org)
Martin Zender(.com)
richardwaynegarganta(.com)
salvationofall(org)
Universalsalvation(.org)
I have learned so much from each of the above sites, I truly am set free in Jesus Christ, I am ecstatic about Jesus & what HIS life blood has done for ALL mankind on the cross, God BlesS
Isiah 29:13 And the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw nigh unto me , and with their mouth and with their lips to honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their FEAR OF ME...is a COMMANDMENT OF MEN...which hath been taught them ;
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell." - Jesus Christ
2 Tim. 4:3-4
"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths."
@Bill244888 Thats what I have been saying all along..."hell" as an eternal torture chamber somewhere is a MYTH, very pagan in origin in fact. Did you know that the word "hell" actually came on the seen in the 800 A.D. and was not even around when the Holy Scriptures were penned in Hebrew & Greek, yeah, so there is NO WAY Jesus Christ could have even used this word, which if people know CORRECT TRANSLATIONS & church history they will be able to figure this pagan lie out, or MTYH...should I say!
@Bill244888 Oh thank you, now we are getting somewhere, you have proved my point...THERE IS NO WAY JESUS COULD HAVE USED THIS WORD BECAUSE IT IS AN ENGLISH WORD AND JESUS DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH. I am at complete peace with the revelation that Jesus Christ has shared with me & others about the FACT that there is no "eternal torture chamber", and this is what I KNOW & this is what I WILL SHARE, the GOOD NEWS with others, if you want to keep preaching that doctrine of demons thats on YOU!!!
Agreed, it is not figurative, but literal and it is future and it is eternal.
The argument is that how could man's finite number of sins committed during his life warrant an eternal punishment, but this belies a faulty understanding of the holiness of God and the infinite price that Christ paid on the cross to make atonement for the sins of His people. It truly diminishes the value of Christ's sacrifice. In other words, it's blasphemy!
@Bill THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS, IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER..Thess 1:7-9.
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that comes shall burn them up. Mal 4:1.
@Bill244888 I don't believe in eternal damnation because it is not biblical. The holiness of God is not according to how much the lost will suffer. The vindication of his holiness will be when every knee of everyone that ever lived saved and lost (before the destruction of the lost) will bow to Honer God. Anyway eternal hell is not biblical.
"and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
"Oh, you say that teaching of Gods infinent love, mercy, and forgiveness decieves?"
Absolutely, if you do not also teach of His righteous justice and wrath against sin. His "infinite" love does not negate His justice and hatred of sin.
Your belief in God is severely lopsided. You completely devalue Christ's sacrifice by teaching that one does not need to repent and have faith in Christ to go to heaven.
@SwordofMan 2Pe 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: BUT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, WHICH ARE NOW, BY THE SAME WORD ARE KEPT IN STORE, RESERVED UNTO FIRE AGAINST THE DAY OF JUDGMENT AND PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN.
I don't believe in purgatory, but i believe God is coming back with fire instead of a flood.
@SwordofManti Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear... He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev 20:6 Blessed AND HOLY IS HE THAT HATH PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION: ON SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HATH NO POWER, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
You are clearly wrong! The second death has nothing to do with the destruction of Jerusalem.
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall come forth: THEY THAT DONE GOOD, UNTO THE RESURECTION OF LIFE; AND THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION. Jhn 5:28-29.
...Some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.. Dan 12:2-3.
@opengates777 Acts 20:27"For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God.
Christ who warned the Jews of the judgement of Gehenna was not about a place called hell. But why didnt Paul warn the gentiles about gehenna? Eternal torture and the annhialisim teaching is both insane and evil.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Look! The Bible is indicating that there will be no more death in the new kingdom, and there will be no more graves. Hell means, Grave. The lake of fire is the second death, there is no coming back from that.
AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. Rev 20:15.
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
David gives clear indication, hell means grave.
He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and MURDERERS, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH. Rev 21:7-8.
"Christ who warned the Jews of the judgement of Gehenna was not about a place called hell." So says you
"But why didn't Paul warn the gentiles about gehenna?" So Jesus must have been wrong then?
"Eternal torture and the annhialisim teaching is both insane and evil." Only to those unwilling to fully submit to God's authority and the clear teaching of scripture.
@Bill244888 Not at all. There is a purpose to Christs warnings to the Jews alone, but the truth to it would damper your hope of venegence against those who do not believe as you do. This hope is in your nature, God knows it and you know it. You have proven time after time that you do NOT desire universal salvation. You do not have mercy in you, but our Father puts His mercy before judgement as Christ did to the adulterous. Christ is a true loving representation of our Father.
@Bill244888 You are a liar and you know it. If you believe that God believes that those in hell deserve eternal torture, than YOU yourself believe they deserver eternal torture.
2 Thes 1:5-10 is about the Jews persecuting the believers, and they saw judgement 70AD. Notice how Paul didnt warn them of gehenna fire, but those who persecuted them?
I deserve eternal hell for my sins as do you, but God decides to show mercy upon whom he will (Rom. 9:15-16) by substituting His Son in my place (2 Cor. 5:21) and punishing Him for my sins (Isa. 53:4, 5, 10).
If Christ's teachings about hell are referring to the Romans destroying Jerusalem in 70 A.D. then why does He teach that it's something that a person can avoid by turning from sin and repenting in Matt. 5:29-30?
@Bill244888 Again Matt 5 is referring to the warnings of gehenna which BTW you have not given a lodgical reason why Paul didnt warn the gentiles about. John the baptice also warned the Jews of what is to come 70AD in Matt 3:10The ax (ocupational Rome) is already at the root (Jerusalem) of the trees (Jews, Isaiah 60:21), and every tree (Jew) that does not produce good fruit (Repent) will be cut down and thrown into the fire (Gods wrath 70AD). Brackets are mine.
@Bill244888 No where in scripture does it say that anyone deservers eternal torment. It is what you desire. You desire hell and you need to believe that God desires those sinners in hell get what they deserve. He would not have created intelligent beings, had he known they were to be forever miserable. To suppose that God would bring beings into existence who he knew would be infinite losers by that existence, is to charge him with the utmost malignity.
The Bible does not support Universalism, and i don't believe in Purgatory. The ministry of God's wrath will be poured out upon the ungodly on the day of Judgment.
Now pay attention!!
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Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gommorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven....Gen 19:24.
History will repeat itself at the end of the world.
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...And fire came down from God out of heaven, and DEVOURED THEM. Rev 20:9.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; AND BOOKS WERE OPENED: AND ANOTHER BOOK WAS OPENED, WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall come forth: THEY THAT DONE GOOD, UNTO THE RESURECTION OF LIFE; AND THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION. Jhn 5:28-29.
...Some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.. Dan 12:2-3.
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall come forth: THEY THAT DONE GOOD, UNTO THE RESURECTION OF LIFE; AND THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION. Jhn 5:28-29.
...Some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.. Dan 12:2-3.
2Pe 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: BUT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, WHICH ARE NOW, BY THE SAME WORD ARE KEPT IN STORE, RESERVED UNTO FIRE AGAINST THE DAY OF JUDGMENT AND PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN.
I don't believe in purgatory, but i believe God is coming back with fire, instead of a flood.
@medusa210562 Keep in mind that I have SDA friends who are wonderful ppl. You base your belief on the second death written 4 times in Revelations, correct?
@SwordofManticorE I don't know what ppl is. We believe that we all die in this earth and that there are 2 resurrections and the lost will die a second time. that second time is real death. The first death is just a sleep. We don't believe in any kind of second chance doctrine.
@medusa210562 Ppl is short for people. The second death written in Revelations is symbolic for the second destruction of the temple of Jerusalem and the way of the religiouse life as the jews knew it. The end of animal sacrifice for their sins. Both the eternal torment and annhialisim dovstrins are fortunately wrong teachings. What do you know of the warnings of Gehenna from Christ?
@Bill244888 So right there it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure out that if there has been a MISTRANSLATION, then we need to go back to original text & find out the TRUTH AND not some man-made pagan tradition passed down, "hell" if used at all should be used to translate Hades, Sheol which represents death or the grave...NOTHING ELSE!!!!
How does the fact the greek and english do not use identical words somehow turn into a "MISTRANSLATION" as you so eloquently typed in your best CAPITALIZATION?
@Bill244888 Because in Greek "hell" does not mean the same as it is represented in the english, where Greek & Hebrews definition is meant to be grave, or pit, or death, hades & sheol, the english have used "hell" as a definition of an eternal torture chamber & this WAS NOT the original communication penned by Holy inspiration. Google...What-the-Hell-is-Hell for more information, this is a GOOD START, to many places to name, bc there are so many sites that refute this false doctrine.
2Pe 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: BUT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, WHICH ARE NOW, BY THE SAME WORD ARE KEPT IN STORE, RESERVED UNTO FIRE AGAINST THE DAY OF JUDGMENT AND PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN.
I don't believe in purgatory, but i believe God is coming back with fire instead of a flood.
(CONTINUED) of Gehenna, or allude to it in the most distant manner! In the face of such a fact as this, can any man believe that Gehenna signifies endless punishment; and that this is a part of divine revelation, a part of the gospel message to the world?
@TheLordOfHost1 Oh yeah, I just read a whole commentation on this verse, in fact the whole passage where Jesus is talking to the Jews at the time, before his death.
Ecc 9:12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
@Lrothtube It's just your lack of understanding of scripture. In Act 26:16-18 Jesus had died and gone to heaven. Then Jesus then made a visit to paul who was destroying the followers of Christ. Jesus commanded paul to now carry the gospel.
..Unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS, IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER..Thessalonians 1:7-9.
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that comes shall burn them up. Mal 4:1.
The Book of Acts contains the record of the apostolic preaching, and the history of the first planting of the church among the Jews and Gentiles, and embraces a period of thirty years from the ascension of Christ. In all this history, in all this preaching of the disciples and apostles of Jesus, there is no mention of Gehenna. In thirty years of missionary effort, these men of God, addressing people of all characters and nations, never, under any circumstances, threaten them with the torments
ok people, ESPECIALLY "christians" need to get this thing straight, HELL is the GRAVE! The wages of sin is DEATH. period! Jesus came to save ALL men from their sin, if hell was eternal torment then Jesus Christ would have to STILL be there for the propitiation of our sins, he is not, hes sitting at the right hand of the Fathers making intercession for ALL men. Folks, understand, eternal torment came throught the roman catholic church, through the Vulgate. Do your Jesus research, get it right!!
@Bill244888 The weeping & nashing of teeth is refering to Israel because they would no longer hold the mantle of God, I am sure I wrote reference to this in an earlier comment, Not sure why you want to keep frying people in an eternal torchure chamber, do you think you have a front row seat to the barbecue? You are sadly deceived, as I have said before based on scripture, Gods judgements are TEMPORAL, & given for correction and restoration, thats it, sorry if u cant wrap ur head around this
"The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
@Bill244888 I really dont want to be rude, it appears that you do not have the ability to separate the issues, ONE MORE TIME, Hell, Sheol is the grave, death. The weeping and gnashing of teeth is a reference to Gehenna, totally different subjects, perhaps if you were to do a STUDY on Gehenna and WHAT it represented to the Jews (Pharisees) AT THE TIME that Christ was speaking to THEM, not to US. Kapeesh? I get the feeling you just want to argue and that your doctrine is above reproach, SAD!!!
@Bill244888 Dude, you have NO IDEA how much trouble YOU are in with Jesus Christ HIMSELF, for the false doctrine of demons of eternal fire/torture chamber BLASPHEMY that you are spouting off. You have been warned, STOP MALIGNING THE CHARACTER OF GOD WITH YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE OF DEMONS. God have mercy on your deceived mind and very utterly unloving heart,pssst, I absolutely PITY YOU and all those you come in contact with, dude you have lost it, along with the rest of the FAKE church & "christians"
“Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die."
Like father, like son . . .
"There really is no hell, forget what you've been taught from the bible . . ."
@Bill244888 Ok listen, I cant help it that you dont understand that God is Sovereign and that Jesus was "Slain from the foundation of the earth" It is all a divine PLAN, it is not like God was caught "unaware" the tree was a plant(no pun intended) God already set it up for us to fail, sorry if you cant wrap your mind around this BIBLICAL fact, this was God the Fathers plan ALL ALONG! Im not misleading anyone, I am only stating my position and revelations God has shared with me!
@Lrothtube "Ok listen, I cant help it that you dont understand that God is Sovereign and that Jesus was "Slain from the foundation of the earth" . . . God already set it up for us to fail, sorry if you cant wrap your mind around this BIBLICAL fact, this was God the Fathers plan ALL ALONG!"
Agreed, and it will have 2 outcomes - eternal forgiveness displaying His mercy upon His elect and eternal damnation displaying His justice upon the reprobate.
@Lrothtube I never get this "If you don't believe in hell, your going to hell." It makes no sense. I think alot of religious people worship hell. More then they do Jesus.
@Lone432345 You my friend , are correct! or they just live in complete FEAR, they mix demonic fear up with the word reverence for the Lord, when clearly 1John 4:18 states
fear is not in the love, but the perfect love doth cast out the fear, because the fear hath PUNISHMENT, and he who is fearing hath not been made perfect in the love; it is clear from this scripture they lack Gods love, and do not realize that Gods judgements are for restoration purposes FOR ALL MEN!!!!
@BoazEnochjoseph Go to Universalsalvation(.org) and read there the PLAN God has had all along for the adversary, THIS is ALL a divine "set up" so to speak, from the beginning, Adam & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good & EVIL, NO surprise to God, he has orchestrated this whole thing. Youre not gonna hear that in "church" because they rarely if ever teach Gods SOVEREIGNTY or HIS LOVE & MERCY & GRACE, because they clearly have no understanding of it, they love to fry others though!!!
@Bill244888 I rebuke your judgements in the name of Jesus Christ, who are you to come on here and pass judgements on others like you are God yourself, you need to check yourself, you dont know a thing about God or what he is even doing in the souls of others, were not cookie-cutter cutouts of some fabricated formula by the false teachings of some fake" church" somewhere, back off Dracula, you obviously know NOTHING of Gods love or mercy or grace.
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel — not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed."
basically hes preaching logically, so all other believers condemn him for that. their all saying hes goin to hell.. their all so quick to judge, typical Christians
If there is no Hell, why did he come? Why would He tell us to go tell the Gospel, or why would He die for us. All for nothing? Men could have just lived the way did, before the cross.
I believe he heard from God. The priests of his day said the same thing about Martin Luther (not Martin Luther King), what is amazing and not surprising is that God will use somebody like him and keep it from all of the elect.
Everybody on these posts sound like the Sanhedrin....wanna crucify him too?
I want to believe that Carlton is on to something.. what I do believe that he has compassion just as Jesus did. That is why it is so vital that we know the word for ourselves and seek God. in all getting get understanding!
no one is IN HELL right now.....ALL that have passed this Dimension, are asleep...for that is what death is....BUT when the Trumpet sounds, those in Messiah shall be removed (somehow) from the rest of this world....then it shall be purged with Fire.....some shall suffer more than others and some will be instantly POOF,,,,,,Perish.....John 3:16 says it.....Dig IN, do not buy the Delusion offered by both most of our "churches" and by those ignorant of Faith in a Creator all together......Seek 1st
no no no and no. I respect a man of God. by the higher you are the higher the attack. Gospel of inclusion means everyone is included -- no no no... the road to heaven is narrow. deductively this implies not everyone will make it. Beloved bishop i will continue praying for you. p.s. ace tinashe
@busaboo Perhaps you´re the one who´s been deceived. Ever cared to see through from the other side? Wait, there´s more than one side? That´s way too complicated!
@FreeMason34 Well it really do not matter if you believe hell is real, because just as sure as the sun rise in the East and set in the West there is a hell. I did not say it JESUS said it.
@theoriginalschool if you dont believe that the scripture teaches the salvation of all(inclusion)then you do not understand the bible, why would God with all foreknowledge create concious beings knowing that most of them would be burned and tortured in fire forever?????......thats just plain sick......study the key words that are redered hell(sheol,hades,gehenna,tartarus), eternal(olam, aion, aionios, eonian) punishment(kolasis) asee giving glory vid with Louis Abbott, its very interesting..:¬)
@david1611kjv I dont think most Christians dont anything about the Hebrew or Greek Bible. They just read there King James Version thinking ever word is fact. The original words for hell. Pretty much mean grave (aka non existence). You know if your going to proclaim that the bible is the word god. Why not use the original. Instead of a very bad translation.
@Tuber77 yes i know bro, it's a very sad state of affairs, i feel for these people because i used to be one of them.religion is a poison chalice....:¬)
@theoriginalschool if you were paying attention to the video you would have heard that Carlton does not ommit parts of the scripture, but does ommit parts of the bible TRANSLATIONS, because he studied the scriptures in the Hebrew and Greek and seen the blatant inconsistencies and heresies that slander God almighty as being worse than Hitler, have you ever looked at a single word in the Greek or Hebrew?...i doubt it very much
UNIVERSAL salvation was for me a HERESY a PEOPLE PLEASING idea until I saw passages like this.
Romans 5:19 "for as through the disobedience of the one man,THE MANY were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall THE MANY be constituted righteous."
If you take the book of revelation as the end of Gods plan then of course universal salvation would not make sense; but if you look at Paul's writings and see God will be "all in ALL" then you see love Never fails.
It always burned in my heart that all you had to do is believe something to get out of "hell". But what about how you live? What about the teachings of Christ? These wack jobs condemning people to a place called "hell" is nothing more than crap. They don't know it but they are condemning themselves to more trials in there own lives.
It would be very interesting to hear what he specifically teaches about the person and work of Jesus.... Was Jesus the messiah, was jesus created or eternal ? Why did Jesus die ? Did Jesus arise from the dead ? Is Jesus living now and in what sense is he related to the believer ? Who is the Holy Spirit. How can a person who does not believe in Jesus be absolutely sure that they are 'in good standing' and pleasing to God. Just a few questions one shd ask if U consider him a true teacher
I don't think Carlton ever truly understood the gospel. He thought his grandparents went to hell because of doing bad stuff, regardless of having accepted Christ. It was all a works-based salvation, which made him easy prey for the doctrines of devils
I wonder where is his evidence in the bible about hell not being real? And if he does have one, I'm sure I can justify it quickly as being false. GOD have mercy on this man.
Matthew 7:15-"Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves.
Why do you assume this scripture is talking about the kind of thing he preaches? Right after that, it talks about how you will recognize if they are false by their fruits. Look at Ted Haggard, he's preaching a "truthful" message, yet look at his fruits. Comparing Mr. Pearson and Mr. Haggard by their fruits, it seems Mr. Haggard is the wolf in sheeps clothing.
@xVyKariousx At least Ted Haggard PREACHED the truth. But he got exposed to his sin. and was forced to repent. Carlton Pearson is preaching lies, and is convinced he's not, so he is NOT repenting.
@xVyKariousx - and you probably do. If you eat pork or shellfish, wear 2 different fabrics at the same time- according to the old testament of the bible you are going to hell. And even Jesus dismissed parts of the old testament.
@xVyKariousx 1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
@xVyKariousx Because it is.You can't get up in front of a congregation and speak anything. It has to line up with the word of GOD. and his preaching doesn't. I don't even know what he's preaching about. Ted Haggard yes he lied about his allegations, but that scripture doesn't fit him. He's a human who's made mistakes. Romans 3:23 says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GOD. what he did doesn't mean he's a false prophet. if it did. then all preachers would be considered false.
True, but not all people stand in front of a congregation and preach then go and buy drugs for male prostitutes. I'm not saying it's his message he's preaching that's wrong, I think it's himself that is false.
@xVyKariousx yes you're right. All preachers sin one way or the other. He is false in his lying and his actions for the drugs, absolutely no doubt. But at the end of the day, I'm sure he's repented and recovered from it. We can't be ready to call out the preacher hmself when he does something wrong, because we ALL have and will continue to make mistakes. But Carlton pearson hasn't tried to seek better understanding from GOD at all. he's using himself as a source. which makes it false.
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([a]unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
@deliverednow The key to John 3:16 is in trusting in, clinging to, and relying on what CHRIST says, and NOT what Carlton says. And Christ. who IS the Word of God, has been clearly illustrated in the scriptures given. Christ requires repentance (turning you back on sin and obeying God's Word) for the crucifixion to work for you.
8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Jude 1:4" For certain men have crept in stealthily [[a]gaining entrance secretly by a side door]. Their doom was predicted long ago, ungodly (impious, profane) persons who pervert the grace (the spiritual blessing and favor) of our God into lawlessness and wantonness and immorality..." You and Carlton Pearson are perverting the grace of God by saying we go to heaven and we can still be as immoral as we want! The Gospel of Inclusion by definition, clearly supports this perversion of grace!
Thirdly...Yes the book of Revelation IS highly symbolic...but we both should agree, not TOTALLY symbolic. So the parts that are NOT symbolic...there's nothing LEFT for them to be but literal. Right? Right.
There is not much literal content in it with exception to letters to the 7 churches, But you can't just pick and chose what you want to be literal and not. Come on, a lake(water) of fire...
@westernlions Sir...there is a lake of fire and brimstone created for the devil and his demons..these are spirits! What could you possibly think this lake is?
Also...It's true that the basic root of "aion" means age. But it is not true that all words from that root mean a finite period of time. The phrase means "unlimited duration of time, with particular focus upon the future - always, forever, forever and ever, eternally." as pointed out in Rev 20:10, and other scriptures.
It doesn't anywhere that Gehenna is a lake of fire. Stop mixing things up. Look it up on Wikipedia; Gehenna is a valley. Mt: 10:28 states that the soul can be "destroyed" and "slain" in Rev. 6:9. The soul comes from the Greek "psuche" meaning mind, will, emotions, etc. which is mortal. The spirit is the breath "pneuma' of God enables man to live.
@westernlions I acknowledge that Gehenna is a valley, yet also the lake of fire, and called hell and it's all there in Matthew 10:28. Wikipedia acknowledges the valley as well as hell itself, being called Gehenna. And you are misreading Rev 6:9. It says "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained". It says nothing about the actual SOUL being destroyed or slain.
Respond to this video... "Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Nuff said bub...
Let me ask you why do you think the word forever in this verse is spelt with two words not one. Because the Greek words there are "aion" which means age. It is quite literally for an ever and ever really or more accurately for the ages of the ages. Secondly, the book of Revelation is highly symbolic, you can't just take which parts you like to be literal. Thirdly, Malachi 3:2-4 describes then nature of God's judgement as a "refining fire" and as a "laundryer's soap" that will "purify."
@westernlions Wrong. Malachi 3:1-4 speaks of John the Baptist being the forerunner of Christ, who came to baptize us with the Holy Ghost and with fire. It's also called the spirit of burning. The Holy Ghost purifies us by convicting us of sin. It is likened to a fire! When the apostles were filled with the Holy ghost, there were cloven tongues of fire. This is not talking about "God's judgement" as in His second coming.
Where are you getting stuff? First, it doesn't have anything to do with John the Baptist. The point is that Malachi 3: 2-4 does describe the character of God's judgement with example in purifying the Levites. Secondly, quit ignoring all my other points that I bring up. Thirdly, the doctrine of hell is not even a biblical concept as much as it is church dogma. Consider that God's people, the Hebrews, never taught about hell and they still don't. Judaism has no concept of hell.
@westernlions Sir Malachi 3:1-4 is prophetic and any reputable bible student would tell you that it's about John the baptist and Christ....period. And I've explained all your points...a soul is destroyed if it spends eternity in hell. Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"
There is no apparent connection with John the Baptist in Malachi that I see or that any scholars point out. Expand your knowledge beyond your "all-knowing" bible class. You have not addressed all of my points, you pick and chose what to talk about.. You shoudn't contradict yourself, a soul can't be destroyed if it spends eternity in hell. In Matt. 25;41, the word for everlasting is the Greek word "aionion" which means pertaining to the ages. Read and compare bible translations.
@westernlions I've answered your questions and then some, you just don't like my answers. And a soul going to an everlasting fire spells destruction for that soul. That's basic bible and christian knowledge. We're going in circles so at this point L pray you've repented of your sins, and have excepted Christ as your. Then the bible says follow peace with all men and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. So I pray you are saved and living holy.
Oh yes, I know 90% of all mankind is frying forever in hell while the righteous few like you make it to heaven. Christ really is a failure in that case. By the way, turn to God or burn in Hell is not much of a gospel. Certainly not "good news"...
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People just cannot think clearly. What did Christ teach? What did He say?
Mat. 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
And by 'Hell' Christ means 'hell fire':
Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
How do we know it means 'completely destroy the soul'?
Luke 17:29-32 - Remember Lot's wife.
On the Last Day.
themanningsjdsjjj 1 day ago
Amazing how that fat gasbag preacher at 1:44 is certain that he is right and Pearson is wrong. He won't consider even for a moment that he might be wrong. And the fat gasbag is wrong: Jesus never once spoke about hell. How do we know? Because "hell" is an Anglo-Saxon word, not Greek, not Hebrew, not Aramaic. Jesus never once uttered the word "hell." Jesus spoke about Gehenna, a real physical place outside the walls of Jerusalem that was used as a trash dump.
jimtrueblue99 3 days ago
@jimtrueblue99 Most of all, the warnings of the fires of gehenna from Christ to the jews was never once given to the gentiles from Paul.
SwordofManticorE 1 day ago
Jer. 23:16-17
"Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you, filling you with vain hopes. They speak visions of their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord. They say continually to those who despise the word of the Lord, ‘It shall be well with you’; and to everyone who stubbornly follows his own heart, they say, ‘No disaster shall come upon you.’ ”
Sound familiar?
Bill244888 1 week ago
"Hell" is neither a Hebrew or a Greek word (both Old and New Testaments were written in those languages), nor did it primarily indicate "a place of torment." Biblical translators actually derived it from a secular German word - spelled hel - meaning nothing more than concealed or covered. The concept of a demon regulated horror-house was indeed derived from that word, but it actually evolved from Teutonic mythology.
BigE7 1 week ago
@BigE7
But, unfamiliar to the Christian majority, the word "hell," in the entire Bible was actually translated from four unique words: Sheol (where the dead are located), Gehenna (a valley in Jerusalem used for dumping refuse), Hades, and Tartarus (place for devil & angels; not humans).
BigE7 1 week ago
@BigE7 Actually hades is the same medaphore for the Hebrew word Shoel. The use of tarturus is perfect when you understand the real mythology of it. Ancient mythology tells that tarturus was only a prison for rebeliouse Greek gods such as cronos and the titans. All the dead went to hades. There is no entity in tarturus known as the devil. These fallen are in restraints and have no influense with man. A prison is a prison. You just cant come and go when you want.
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
@SwordofManticorE
Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, LET THE DEAD BURY THEIR DEAD: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Those who do not belong to Christ, they are walking dead people.
opengates777 1 week ago
@opengates777 They are spiritually dead, not walking dead.
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
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@SwordofManticorE Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 AND YOU, BEING DEAD IN YOUR SINS and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses..
Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, LET THE DEAD BURY THEIR DEAD: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
LET THE DEAD ( PEOPLE ) BURY THEIR DEAD. You are dead wrong!
opengates777 1 week ago
How can I send a message to Carlton Pearson himself? Can anyone tell me?
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
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here are a couple of more sites I know off the top of my head, may Jesus Christ deliver you from traditions of men & fear.
Bible-truths(.com)
Bible Threatenings Explained (google)
Kingdombiblestudies(.org)
Martin Zender(.com)
richardwaynegarganta(.com)
salvationofall(org)
Universalsalvation(.org)
I have learned so much from each of the above sites, I truly am set free in Jesus Christ, I am ecstatic about Jesus & what HIS life blood has done for ALL mankind on the cross, God BlesS
Lrothtube 2 weeks ago
O.K., thanks. I'll just go ahead and rip Rev. 20 out of my bible now.
Bill244888 2 weeks ago
Isiah 29:13 And the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw nigh unto me , and with their mouth and with their lips to honor me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their FEAR OF ME...is a COMMANDMENT OF MEN...which hath been taught them ;
Lrothtube 3 weeks ago
@Lrothtube
"and their FEAR OF ME..."
Matt. 10:28
"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in hell." - Jesus Christ
2 Tim. 4:3-4
"For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths."
Bill244888 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888 Thats what I have been saying all along..."hell" as an eternal torture chamber somewhere is a MYTH, very pagan in origin in fact. Did you know that the word "hell" actually came on the seen in the 800 A.D. and was not even around when the Holy Scriptures were penned in Hebrew & Greek, yeah, so there is NO WAY Jesus Christ could have even used this word, which if people know CORRECT TRANSLATIONS & church history they will be able to figure this pagan lie out, or MTYH...should I say!
Lrothtube 2 weeks ago
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@Lrothtube
"Did you know that the word "hell" actually came on the seen in the 800 A.D."
Gee, maybe that's because "hell" is an ENGLISH word.
Bill244888 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888 Oh thank you, now we are getting somewhere, you have proved my point...THERE IS NO WAY JESUS COULD HAVE USED THIS WORD BECAUSE IT IS AN ENGLISH WORD AND JESUS DID NOT SPEAK ENGLISH. I am at complete peace with the revelation that Jesus Christ has shared with me & others about the FACT that there is no "eternal torture chamber", and this is what I KNOW & this is what I WILL SHARE, the GOOD NEWS with others, if you want to keep preaching that doctrine of demons thats on YOU!!!
Lrothtube 2 weeks ago
@Lrothtube
Did He send you an e-mail?
Bill244888 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888
The Bible does not teach that people are burning now, but the Bible does teach, people will burn on the great day of Judgment.
AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. Rev 20:15.
TheLordOfHost1 2 weeks ago
@TheLordOfHost1
Agreed, it is not figurative, but literal and it is future and it is eternal.
The argument is that how could man's finite number of sins committed during his life warrant an eternal punishment, but this belies a faulty understanding of the holiness of God and the infinite price that Christ paid on the cross to make atonement for the sins of His people. It truly diminishes the value of Christ's sacrifice. In other words, it's blasphemy!
Bill244888 2 weeks ago
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@Bill THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS, IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER..Thess 1:7-9.
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that comes shall burn them up. Mal 4:1.
TheLordOfHost1 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888 I don't believe in eternal damnation because it is not biblical. The holiness of God is not according to how much the lost will suffer. The vindication of his holiness will be when every knee of everyone that ever lived saved and lost (before the destruction of the lost) will bow to Honer God. Anyway eternal hell is not biblical.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562
"I don't believe in eternal damnation because it is not biblical."
Rev. 20:10
"and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
It isn't biblical?
Bill244888 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888 You are so clueless when it comes to this verse.
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
@SwordofManticorE
You are such a deceiver on the doctrine of hell.
Bill244888 1 week ago
@Bill244888 Oh, you say that teaching of Gods infinent love, mercy, and forgiveness decieves? Well at least my belief of God is not a hypocrite.
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
@SwordofManticorE
"Oh, you say that teaching of Gods infinent love, mercy, and forgiveness decieves?"
Absolutely, if you do not also teach of His righteous justice and wrath against sin. His "infinite" love does not negate His justice and hatred of sin.
Your belief in God is severely lopsided. You completely devalue Christ's sacrifice by teaching that one does not need to repent and have faith in Christ to go to heaven.
What did His sacrifice accomplish?
Bill244888 1 week ago
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@SwordofMan 2Pe 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: BUT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, WHICH ARE NOW, BY THE SAME WORD ARE KEPT IN STORE, RESERVED UNTO FIRE AGAINST THE DAY OF JUDGMENT AND PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN.
I don't believe in purgatory, but i believe God is coming back with fire instead of a flood.
TheLordOfHost1 1 week ago
@SwordofManti Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear... He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev 20:6 Blessed AND HOLY IS HE THAT HATH PART IN THE FIRST RESURRECTION: ON SUCH THE SECOND DEATH HATH NO POWER, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
You are clearly wrong! The second death has nothing to do with the destruction of Jerusalem.
TheTriumph777 1 week ago
Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall come forth: THEY THAT DONE GOOD, UNTO THE RESURECTION OF LIFE; AND THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION. Jhn 5:28-29.
...Some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.. Dan 12:2-3.
Universalism is false.
opengates777 1 week ago
@opengates777 Acts 20:27"For I did not shrink from declaring to you the whole purpose of God.
Christ who warned the Jews of the judgement of Gehenna was not about a place called hell. But why didnt Paul warn the gentiles about gehenna? Eternal torture and the annhialisim teaching is both insane and evil.
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
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@SwordofManticorE
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Look! The Bible is indicating that there will be no more death in the new kingdom, and there will be no more graves. Hell means, Grave. The lake of fire is the second death, there is no coming back from that.
AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. Rev 20:15.
I told you i don't believe in Purgatory.
opengates777 1 week ago
Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
David gives clear indication, hell means grave.
He that overcomes shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son. But the fearful, and UNBELIEVING, and the abominable, and MURDERERS, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNS WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE WHICH IS THE SECOND DEATH. Rev 21:7-8.
eternityeverlasting1 1 week ago
@SwordofManticorE
"Christ who warned the Jews of the judgement of Gehenna was not about a place called hell." So says you
"But why didn't Paul warn the gentiles about gehenna?" So Jesus must have been wrong then?
"Eternal torture and the annhialisim teaching is both insane and evil." Only to those unwilling to fully submit to God's authority and the clear teaching of scripture.
Bill244888 1 week ago
@Bill244888 Christ was not wrong. Only your false interpretatioin of scripture.
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
@SwordofManticorE
You're pitting what Jesus taught against what Paul taught. Bad idea.
Bill244888 1 week ago
@Bill244888 Not at all. There is a purpose to Christs warnings to the Jews alone, but the truth to it would damper your hope of venegence against those who do not believe as you do. This hope is in your nature, God knows it and you know it. You have proven time after time that you do NOT desire universal salvation. You do not have mercy in you, but our Father puts His mercy before judgement as Christ did to the adulterous. Christ is a true loving representation of our Father.
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
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@SwordofManticorE Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
opengates777 1 week ago
@SwordofManticorE
I have no desire to see anyone in hell, but it's not my decision. That authority belongs to God alone and His judgments are always perfect.
My desire is to refute false teaching that makes Christ out to be a liar as you have done.
We can not pick and choose which attributes of God we want and discard the ones we don't.
BTW - you claim Paul doesn't teach about hell?
You might want to read 2 Thes. 1:5-10
Bill244888 1 week ago
@Bill244888 You are a liar and you know it. If you believe that God believes that those in hell deserve eternal torture, than YOU yourself believe they deserver eternal torture.
2 Thes 1:5-10 is about the Jews persecuting the believers, and they saw judgement 70AD. Notice how Paul didnt warn them of gehenna fire, but those who persecuted them?
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
@SwordofManticorE
Here's where you lose touch with reality.
I deserve eternal hell for my sins as do you, but God decides to show mercy upon whom he will (Rom. 9:15-16) by substituting His Son in my place (2 Cor. 5:21) and punishing Him for my sins (Isa. 53:4, 5, 10).
If Christ's teachings about hell are referring to the Romans destroying Jerusalem in 70 A.D. then why does He teach that it's something that a person can avoid by turning from sin and repenting in Matt. 5:29-30?
Bill244888 1 week ago
@Bill244888 Again Matt 5 is referring to the warnings of gehenna which BTW you have not given a lodgical reason why Paul didnt warn the gentiles about. John the baptice also warned the Jews of what is to come 70AD in Matt 3:10The ax (ocupational Rome) is already at the root (Jerusalem) of the trees (Jews, Isaiah 60:21), and every tree (Jew) that does not produce good fruit (Repent) will be cut down and thrown into the fire (Gods wrath 70AD). Brackets are mine.
You are so very lost
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
@Bill244888 No where in scripture does it say that anyone deservers eternal torment. It is what you desire. You desire hell and you need to believe that God desires those sinners in hell get what they deserve. He would not have created intelligent beings, had he known they were to be forever miserable. To suppose that God would bring beings into existence who he knew would be infinite losers by that existence, is to charge him with the utmost malignity.
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
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@SwordofManticorE
The Bible does not support Universalism, and i don't believe in Purgatory. The ministry of God's wrath will be poured out upon the ungodly on the day of Judgment.
Now pay attention!!
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Then the Lord rained upon Sodom and Gommorrah brimstone and fire from the Lord out of heaven....Gen 19:24.
History will repeat itself at the end of the world.
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...And fire came down from God out of heaven, and DEVOURED THEM. Rev 20:9.
TheLordOfHost1 1 week ago
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@SwordofManticorE Read!!
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; AND BOOKS WERE OPENED: AND ANOTHER BOOK WAS OPENED, WHICH IS THE BOOK OF LIFE: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.
WAKE UP!!!
opengates777 1 week ago
@SwordofManticorE
Matt. 25:41
" "Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."
Bill244888 1 week ago
@Bill244888 Yes I know what you secretly desire.
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
@SwordofManticorE
Just trying to refute your desire to be like the false prophets in Jeremiah proclaiming "Peace, peace" when there is no peace.
Bill244888 1 week ago
@Bill244888 I dont desire to be a prophet or a false prophet. I desire to seek truth. You can never refute Gods plan.
SwordofManticorE 1 week ago
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Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall come forth: THEY THAT DONE GOOD, UNTO THE RESURECTION OF LIFE; AND THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION. Jhn 5:28-29.
...Some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.. Dan 12:2-3.
Universalism is false!
opengates777 1 week ago
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Act 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall come forth: THEY THAT DONE GOOD, UNTO THE RESURECTION OF LIFE; AND THEY THAT HAVE DONE EVIL, UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION. Jhn 5:28-29.
...Some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.. Dan 12:2-3.
Universalism is false!
TheLordOfHost1 1 week ago
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@medusa
2Pe 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: BUT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, WHICH ARE NOW, BY THE SAME WORD ARE KEPT IN STORE, RESERVED UNTO FIRE AGAINST THE DAY OF JUDGMENT AND PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN.
I don't believe in purgatory, but i believe God is coming back with fire, instead of a flood.
TheLordOfHost1 1 week ago
@Lrothtube you are you? please tell me, My name is Joe and I am from Australia. I am a seventh day Adventist. We don't believe in eternal punishment.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 You do believe in annhialation correct?
SwordofManticorE 2 weeks ago
@SwordofManticorE distruction, yes.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Just as much a false belief as eternal torment,
SwordofManticorE 2 weeks ago
@SwordofManticorE if you are right I would like to know more.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Keep in mind that I have SDA friends who are wonderful ppl. You base your belief on the second death written 4 times in Revelations, correct?
SwordofManticorE 2 weeks ago
@SwordofManticorE I don't know what ppl is. We believe that we all die in this earth and that there are 2 resurrections and the lost will die a second time. that second time is real death. The first death is just a sleep. We don't believe in any kind of second chance doctrine.
medusa210562 2 weeks ago
@medusa210562 Ppl is short for people. The second death written in Revelations is symbolic for the second destruction of the temple of Jerusalem and the way of the religiouse life as the jews knew it. The end of animal sacrifice for their sins. Both the eternal torment and annhialisim dovstrins are fortunately wrong teachings. What do you know of the warnings of Gehenna from Christ?
SwordofManticorE 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888 So right there it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure out that if there has been a MISTRANSLATION, then we need to go back to original text & find out the TRUTH AND not some man-made pagan tradition passed down, "hell" if used at all should be used to translate Hades, Sheol which represents death or the grave...NOTHING ELSE!!!!
Lrothtube 2 weeks ago
@Lrothtube
How does the fact the greek and english do not use identical words somehow turn into a "MISTRANSLATION" as you so eloquently typed in your best CAPITALIZATION?
Bill244888 2 weeks ago
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Lrothtube 2 weeks ago
@Bill244888 Because in Greek "hell" does not mean the same as it is represented in the english, where Greek & Hebrews definition is meant to be grave, or pit, or death, hades & sheol, the english have used "hell" as a definition of an eternal torture chamber & this WAS NOT the original communication penned by Holy inspiration. Google...What-the-Hell-is-Hell for more information, this is a GOOD START, to many places to name, bc there are so many sites that refute this false doctrine.
Lrothtube 2 weeks ago
@Lrothtube
2Pe 3:5-7 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: BUT THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, WHICH ARE NOW, BY THE SAME WORD ARE KEPT IN STORE, RESERVED UNTO FIRE AGAINST THE DAY OF JUDGMENT AND PERDITION OF UNGODLY MEN.
I don't believe in purgatory, but i believe God is coming back with fire instead of a flood.
TheLordOfHost1 2 weeks ago
@TheLordOfHost1
Agreed
Bill244888 2 weeks ago
@Lrothtube
"so there is NO WAY Jesus Christ could have even used this word, "
Yea, and He didn't use the words "For God so loved . . ." in the book of John either.
Pretty flimsy argument . . .
Bill244888 2 weeks ago
Wait, doesn't Carlton believe you have to confess Christ to be saved?? The statement @ 5;50
Bedeborah 3 weeks ago
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@Bedeborah
"Wait, doesn't Carlton believe you have to confess Christ to be saved?? The statement @ 5;50"
Saved from what, he claims no one goes to hell?
Bill244888 3 weeks ago
(CONTINUED) of Gehenna, or allude to it in the most distant manner! In the face of such a fact as this, can any man believe that Gehenna signifies endless punishment; and that this is a part of divine revelation, a part of the gospel message to the world?
Lrothtube 4 weeks ago
@Lrothtube
Jhn 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.
TheLordOfHost1 4 weeks ago
@TheLordOfHost1 Oh yeah, I just read a whole commentation on this verse, in fact the whole passage where Jesus is talking to the Jews at the time, before his death.
Lrothtube 4 weeks ago
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@Lrothtube
Jhn 8:24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins.
You will die in your sins! Take heed of the word of God! All sinners who reject Christ, they will die in their sins! Wake up!
TheLordOfHost1 3 weeks ago
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Ecc 9:12 For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
Holy Bible.
TheLordOfHost1 3 weeks ago
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@Lrothtube It's just your lack of understanding of scripture. In Act 26:16-18 Jesus had died and gone to heaven. Then Jesus then made a visit to paul who was destroying the followers of Christ. Jesus commanded paul to now carry the gospel.
..Unto whom now I send thee, To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
TheLordOfHost1 3 weeks ago
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THE LORD JESUS SHALL BE REVEALED FROM HEAVEN WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELS, IN FLAMING FIRE TAKING VENGEANCE ON THEM THAT KNOW NOT GOD, AND THAT OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST: WHO SHALL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD, AND FROM THE GLORY OF HIS POWER..Thessalonians 1:7-9.
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that comes shall burn them up. Mal 4:1.
TheLordOfHost1 4 weeks ago
The Book of Acts contains the record of the apostolic preaching, and the history of the first planting of the church among the Jews and Gentiles, and embraces a period of thirty years from the ascension of Christ. In all this history, in all this preaching of the disciples and apostles of Jesus, there is no mention of Gehenna. In thirty years of missionary effort, these men of God, addressing people of all characters and nations, never, under any circumstances, threaten them with the torments
Lrothtube 4 weeks ago
fuck off
doogda 1 month ago
cut out the privet coment your belefs they are self promoting uninforming
doogda 1 month ago
ok people, ESPECIALLY "christians" need to get this thing straight, HELL is the GRAVE! The wages of sin is DEATH. period! Jesus came to save ALL men from their sin, if hell was eternal torment then Jesus Christ would have to STILL be there for the propitiation of our sins, he is not, hes sitting at the right hand of the Fathers making intercession for ALL men. Folks, understand, eternal torment came throught the roman catholic church, through the Vulgate. Do your Jesus research, get it right!!
Lrothtube 1 month ago
@Lrothtube
"HELL is the GRAVE! The wages of sin is DEATH."
Then what are these verse talking about?
Matt. 5:22, 29, 30; 8:12; 10:28; 13:42, 50; 22:13; 18:9; 24:51; 25:30, 41, 46; Mark 9:43, 45, 47; Luke 12:5; 13:28 (All Jesus' words by the way)
Then these references as well . . . 2 Thes. 1:9; Jude 1:7; Rev. 14:9-11; 20:7-15
Let me guess they are just figurative for struggles in this life, right?
I don't understand how dead people are engaged in "weeping and gnashing of teeth".
Bill244888 1 month ago
@Bill244888 The weeping & nashing of teeth is refering to Israel because they would no longer hold the mantle of God, I am sure I wrote reference to this in an earlier comment, Not sure why you want to keep frying people in an eternal torchure chamber, do you think you have a front row seat to the barbecue? You are sadly deceived, as I have said before based on scripture, Gods judgements are TEMPORAL, & given for correction and restoration, thats it, sorry if u cant wrap ur head around this
Lrothtube 1 month ago
@Lrothtube
"The weeping & nashing of teeth is refering to Israel because they would no longer hold the mantle of God"
No, actually you stated quite clearly the "HELL IS THE GRAVE!"
Which one is it? Is it the grave or Israel's grief?
Matt. 13:41-42
"The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers, and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Bill244888 1 month ago
@Bill244888 I really dont want to be rude, it appears that you do not have the ability to separate the issues, ONE MORE TIME, Hell, Sheol is the grave, death. The weeping and gnashing of teeth is a reference to Gehenna, totally different subjects, perhaps if you were to do a STUDY on Gehenna and WHAT it represented to the Jews (Pharisees) AT THE TIME that Christ was speaking to THEM, not to US. Kapeesh? I get the feeling you just want to argue and that your doctrine is above reproach, SAD!!!
Lrothtube 1 month ago
@Lrothtube
Misleading those outside of Christ about the reality of hell and calling Christ a liar in the process, SAD!
Bill244888 1 month ago
@Bill244888 Dude, you have NO IDEA how much trouble YOU are in with Jesus Christ HIMSELF, for the false doctrine of demons of eternal fire/torture chamber BLASPHEMY that you are spouting off. You have been warned, STOP MALIGNING THE CHARACTER OF GOD WITH YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE OF DEMONS. God have mercy on your deceived mind and very utterly unloving heart,pssst, I absolutely PITY YOU and all those you come in contact with, dude you have lost it, along with the rest of the FAKE church & "christians"
Lrothtube 1 month ago
@Lrothtube
Gen. 3:1b-4
“Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?” And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden, but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die."
Like father, like son . . .
"There really is no hell, forget what you've been taught from the bible . . ."
Bill244888 1 month ago
@Bill244888 Ok listen, I cant help it that you dont understand that God is Sovereign and that Jesus was "Slain from the foundation of the earth" It is all a divine PLAN, it is not like God was caught "unaware" the tree was a plant(no pun intended) God already set it up for us to fail, sorry if you cant wrap your mind around this BIBLICAL fact, this was God the Fathers plan ALL ALONG! Im not misleading anyone, I am only stating my position and revelations God has shared with me!
Lrothtube 1 month ago
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@Lrothtube
"I am only stating my position and revelations God has shared with me!"
How did these "revelations" come to you?
Bill244888 1 month ago
@Lrothtube "Ok listen, I cant help it that you dont understand that God is Sovereign and that Jesus was "Slain from the foundation of the earth" . . . God already set it up for us to fail, sorry if you cant wrap your mind around this BIBLICAL fact, this was God the Fathers plan ALL ALONG!"
Agreed, and it will have 2 outcomes - eternal forgiveness displaying His mercy upon His elect and eternal damnation displaying His justice upon the reprobate.
Bill244888 1 month ago
@Bill244888
God Bless you my friend. You are so true.
TheLordOfHost1 3 weeks ago
@Lrothtube I never get this "If you don't believe in hell, your going to hell." It makes no sense. I think alot of religious people worship hell. More then they do Jesus.
Lone432345 1 month ago
@Lone432345 You my friend , are correct! or they just live in complete FEAR, they mix demonic fear up with the word reverence for the Lord, when clearly 1John 4:18 states
fear is not in the love, but the perfect love doth cast out the fear, because the fear hath PUNISHMENT, and he who is fearing hath not been made perfect in the love; it is clear from this scripture they lack Gods love, and do not realize that Gods judgements are for restoration purposes FOR ALL MEN!!!!
Lrothtube 1 month ago
2/3 of the Angels listened to lucifer simply because of envy of God why envy God?
BoazEnochjoseph 2 months ago
@BoazEnochjoseph Go to Universalsalvation(.org) and read there the PLAN God has had all along for the adversary, THIS is ALL a divine "set up" so to speak, from the beginning, Adam & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good & EVIL, NO surprise to God, he has orchestrated this whole thing. Youre not gonna hear that in "church" because they rarely if ever teach Gods SOVEREIGNTY or HIS LOVE & MERCY & GRACE, because they clearly have no understanding of it, they love to fry others though!!!
Lrothtube 1 month ago
"People you thought were your friends, were in it for the long haul. Then they just disappear."
Praise God they had the discernment to leave your false teaching and were more loyal to God then they were to you!
Bill244888 2 months ago
@Bill244888 I rebuke your judgements in the name of Jesus Christ, who are you to come on here and pass judgements on others like you are God yourself, you need to check yourself, you dont know a thing about God or what he is even doing in the souls of others, were not cookie-cutter cutouts of some fabricated formula by the false teachings of some fake" church" somewhere, back off Dracula, you obviously know NOTHING of Gods love or mercy or grace.
Lrothtube 1 month ago
@Lrothtube
"you obviously know NOTHING of Gods love or mercy or grace."
You know nothing of what the bible actually teaches
Bill244888 1 month ago
@Lrothtube
"I rebuke your judgements in the name of Jesus Christ"
They're not my judgments, actually they're His . . .
Matt. 5:22, 29, 30; 8:12; 10:28; 13:42, 50; 22:13; 18:9; 24:51; 25:30, 41, 46; Mark 9:43, 45, 47; Luke 12:5; 13:28
You're carrying on the mantle of Satan by openly questioning what God's word clearly teaches.
Gen. 3:3b-4
". . . neither shall you touch it, lest you die.’ ” But the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die."
Sounds familiar
Bill244888 1 month ago
Gal. 1:6-8
"I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel — not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed."
Bill244888 2 months ago
Carlton Pearson & Ted Haggard, both students at Oral Roberts University, both creating man-made, hollow "churches".
There is no substitute for the true power of God in regenerating a spiritually dead soul.
Bill244888 2 months ago
they are with you when it's the truth!! not when teaching false doctrine
PrincessAleandra90 2 months ago
basically hes preaching logically, so all other believers condemn him for that. their all saying hes goin to hell.. their all so quick to judge, typical Christians
brycehoff 2 months ago
If there is no Hell, why did he come? Why would He tell us to go tell the Gospel, or why would He die for us. All for nothing? Men could have just lived the way did, before the cross.
beliefinme4now 3 months ago
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I believe he heard from God. The priests of his day said the same thing about Martin Luther (not Martin Luther King), what is amazing and not surprising is that God will use somebody like him and keep it from all of the elect.
Everybody on these posts sound like the Sanhedrin....wanna crucify him too?
MrBokkatunnel 3 months ago
I want to believe that Carlton is on to something.. what I do believe that he has compassion just as Jesus did. That is why it is so vital that we know the word for ourselves and seek God. in all getting get understanding!
Msslovelee 4 months ago
@Msslovelee I think Carlton was on to something but he overshot the mark and landed on the other end of the spectrum.
Method12321 2 months ago
no one is IN HELL right now.....ALL that have passed this Dimension, are asleep...for that is what death is....BUT when the Trumpet sounds, those in Messiah shall be removed (somehow) from the rest of this world....then it shall be purged with Fire.....some shall suffer more than others and some will be instantly POOF,,,,,,Perish.....John 3:16 says it.....Dig IN, do not buy the Delusion offered by both most of our "churches" and by those ignorant of Faith in a Creator all together......Seek 1st
ejoshua11 4 months ago
no no no and no. I respect a man of God. by the higher you are the higher the attack. Gospel of inclusion means everyone is included -- no no no... the road to heaven is narrow. deductively this implies not everyone will make it. Beloved bishop i will continue praying for you. p.s. ace tinashe
zimace 5 months ago
How on earth did he let himself be deceived!?
busaboo 5 months ago
@busaboo Perhaps you´re the one who´s been deceived. Ever cared to see through from the other side? Wait, there´s more than one side? That´s way too complicated!
FreeMason34 5 months ago
GOD REST YOUR SOUL, . JESUS HELP CARLTON TO SEE THE ERRORS OF HIS WAYS.
DaLane4real 5 months ago
@DaLane4real People like you are what makes hell seem rational and probable.
FreeMason34 5 months ago
@FreeMason34 Well it really do not matter if you believe hell is real, because just as sure as the sun rise in the East and set in the West there is a hell. I did not say it JESUS said it.
DaLane4real 4 months ago
@DaLane4real Well then, good news for you. Rejoyce for hell is real.|
FreeMason34 4 months ago
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@FreeMason34 Jesus love you. :)
DaLane4real 4 months ago
@theoriginalschool if you dont believe that the scripture teaches the salvation of all(inclusion)then you do not understand the bible, why would God with all foreknowledge create concious beings knowing that most of them would be burned and tortured in fire forever?????......thats just plain sick......study the key words that are redered hell(sheol,hades,gehenna,tartarus), eternal(olam, aion, aionios, eonian) punishment(kolasis) asee giving glory vid with Louis Abbott, its very interesting..:¬)
david1611kjv 5 months ago
@david1611kjv I dont think most Christians dont anything about the Hebrew or Greek Bible. They just read there King James Version thinking ever word is fact. The original words for hell. Pretty much mean grave (aka non existence). You know if your going to proclaim that the bible is the word god. Why not use the original. Instead of a very bad translation.
Tuber77 4 months ago 2
@Tuber77 yes i know bro, it's a very sad state of affairs, i feel for these people because i used to be one of them.religion is a poison chalice....:¬)
david1611kjv 4 months ago 2
@theoriginalschool if you were paying attention to the video you would have heard that Carlton does not ommit parts of the scripture, but does ommit parts of the bible TRANSLATIONS, because he studied the scriptures in the Hebrew and Greek and seen the blatant inconsistencies and heresies that slander God almighty as being worse than Hitler, have you ever looked at a single word in the Greek or Hebrew?...i doubt it very much
david1611kjv 5 months ago
Great series.
youtube.com/watch?v=yjRcO1Sm0HU
whatthehellbook 5 months ago
MATTHEW7;21-not everyone who calls me lord lord would enter into the kingdom of heaven but him who does the will of my Father in heaven
0543699686 5 months ago
UNIVERSAL salvation was for me a HERESY a PEOPLE PLEASING idea until I saw passages like this.
Romans 5:19 "for as through the disobedience of the one man,THE MANY were constituted sinners: so also through the obedience of the one, shall THE MANY be constituted righteous."
If you take the book of revelation as the end of Gods plan then of course universal salvation would not make sense; but if you look at Paul's writings and see God will be "all in ALL" then you see love Never fails.
motibi 6 months ago
It always burned in my heart that all you had to do is believe something to get out of "hell". But what about how you live? What about the teachings of Christ? These wack jobs condemning people to a place called "hell" is nothing more than crap. They don't know it but they are condemning themselves to more trials in there own lives.
oldno74 6 months ago
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It would be very interesting to hear what he specifically teaches about the person and work of Jesus.... Was Jesus the messiah, was jesus created or eternal ? Why did Jesus die ? Did Jesus arise from the dead ? Is Jesus living now and in what sense is he related to the believer ? Who is the Holy Spirit. How can a person who does not believe in Jesus be absolutely sure that they are 'in good standing' and pleasing to God. Just a few questions one shd ask if U consider him a true teacher
shieldsff 7 months ago
I don't think Carlton ever truly understood the gospel. He thought his grandparents went to hell because of doing bad stuff, regardless of having accepted Christ. It was all a works-based salvation, which made him easy prey for the doctrines of devils
elijahhascome12 7 months ago
this faggot ted haggart, tryna talk about pearson. Homo.
GMANKOOL23 8 months ago
I wonder where is his evidence in the bible about hell not being real? And if he does have one, I'm sure I can justify it quickly as being false. GOD have mercy on this man.
Matthew 7:15-"Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves.
SharelB1 8 months ago 2
@SharelB1 Amen!
deliverednow 8 months ago
@SharelB1
Why do you assume this scripture is talking about the kind of thing he preaches? Right after that, it talks about how you will recognize if they are false by their fruits. Look at Ted Haggard, he's preaching a "truthful" message, yet look at his fruits. Comparing Mr. Pearson and Mr. Haggard by their fruits, it seems Mr. Haggard is the wolf in sheeps clothing.
xVyKariousx 8 months ago
@xVyKariousx At least Ted Haggard PREACHED the truth. But he got exposed to his sin. and was forced to repent. Carlton Pearson is preaching lies, and is convinced he's not, so he is NOT repenting.
deliverednow 8 months ago
@deliverednow
Interesting... He preached "truth" yet produced bad fruit...
xVyKariousx 8 months ago
@xVyKariousx
Also I don't share the same universalistic view as Carlton Pearson, he also says you can dismiss certain parts of the bible.
xVyKariousx 8 months ago
@xVyKariousx - and you probably do. If you eat pork or shellfish, wear 2 different fabrics at the same time- according to the old testament of the bible you are going to hell. And even Jesus dismissed parts of the old testament.
Girlforaction 7 months ago
@xVyKariousx 1 Corinthians 9:27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
deliverednow 8 months ago
@xVyKariousx Because it is.You can't get up in front of a congregation and speak anything. It has to line up with the word of GOD. and his preaching doesn't. I don't even know what he's preaching about. Ted Haggard yes he lied about his allegations, but that scripture doesn't fit him. He's a human who's made mistakes. Romans 3:23 says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of GOD. what he did doesn't mean he's a false prophet. if it did. then all preachers would be considered false.
SharelB1 8 months ago
@SharelB1
True, but not all people stand in front of a congregation and preach then go and buy drugs for male prostitutes. I'm not saying it's his message he's preaching that's wrong, I think it's himself that is false.
xVyKariousx 8 months ago
@xVyKariousx yes you're right. All preachers sin one way or the other. He is false in his lying and his actions for the drugs, absolutely no doubt. But at the end of the day, I'm sure he's repented and recovered from it. We can't be ready to call out the preacher hmself when he does something wrong, because we ALL have and will continue to make mistakes. But Carlton pearson hasn't tried to seek better understanding from GOD at all. he's using himself as a source. which makes it false.
SharelB1 8 months ago
If believing that God is loving enough, powerful enough, and wise enough to save all of His creation, then sign me up.
kittykatt888 8 months ago
@kittykatt888 John 3:16 Amplified Bible (AMP)
For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten ([a]unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
deliverednow 8 months ago
@deliverednow The key to John 3:16 is in trusting in, clinging to, and relying on what CHRIST says, and NOT what Carlton says. And Christ. who IS the Word of God, has been clearly illustrated in the scriptures given. Christ requires repentance (turning you back on sin and obeying God's Word) for the crucifixion to work for you.
deliverednow 8 months ago
1 Corinthians 6:8-10
8 Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. 9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
deliverednow 8 months ago
Jude 1:4" For certain men have crept in stealthily [[a]gaining entrance secretly by a side door]. Their doom was predicted long ago, ungodly (impious, profane) persons who pervert the grace (the spiritual blessing and favor) of our God into lawlessness and wantonness and immorality..." You and Carlton Pearson are perverting the grace of God by saying we go to heaven and we can still be as immoral as we want! The Gospel of Inclusion by definition, clearly supports this perversion of grace!
deliverednow 8 months ago
Thirdly...Yes the book of Revelation IS highly symbolic...but we both should agree, not TOTALLY symbolic. So the parts that are NOT symbolic...there's nothing LEFT for them to be but literal. Right? Right.
deliverednow 8 months ago
@deliverednow
There is not much literal content in it with exception to letters to the 7 churches, But you can't just pick and chose what you want to be literal and not. Come on, a lake(water) of fire...
westernlions 8 months ago
@westernlions Sir...there is a lake of fire and brimstone created for the devil and his demons..these are spirits! What could you possibly think this lake is?
deliverednow 8 months ago
Also...It's true that the basic root of "aion" means age. But it is not true that all words from that root mean a finite period of time. The phrase means "unlimited duration of time, with particular focus upon the future - always, forever, forever and ever, eternally." as pointed out in Rev 20:10, and other scriptures.
deliverednow 8 months ago
It doesn't anywhere that Gehenna is a lake of fire. Stop mixing things up. Look it up on Wikipedia; Gehenna is a valley. Mt: 10:28 states that the soul can be "destroyed" and "slain" in Rev. 6:9. The soul comes from the Greek "psuche" meaning mind, will, emotions, etc. which is mortal. The spirit is the breath "pneuma' of God enables man to live.
westernlions 8 months ago
@westernlions I acknowledge that Gehenna is a valley, yet also the lake of fire, and called hell and it's all there in Matthew 10:28. Wikipedia acknowledges the valley as well as hell itself, being called Gehenna. And you are misreading Rev 6:9. It says "When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained". It says nothing about the actual SOUL being destroyed or slain.
deliverednow 8 months ago
Respond to this video... "Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Nuff said bub...
deliverednow 8 months ago
Let me ask you why do you think the word forever in this verse is spelt with two words not one. Because the Greek words there are "aion" which means age. It is quite literally for an ever and ever really or more accurately for the ages of the ages. Secondly, the book of Revelation is highly symbolic, you can't just take which parts you like to be literal. Thirdly, Malachi 3:2-4 describes then nature of God's judgement as a "refining fire" and as a "laundryer's soap" that will "purify."
westernlions 8 months ago
@westernlions Wrong. Malachi 3:1-4 speaks of John the Baptist being the forerunner of Christ, who came to baptize us with the Holy Ghost and with fire. It's also called the spirit of burning. The Holy Ghost purifies us by convicting us of sin. It is likened to a fire! When the apostles were filled with the Holy ghost, there were cloven tongues of fire. This is not talking about "God's judgement" as in His second coming.
deliverednow 8 months ago
@deliverednow
Where are you getting stuff? First, it doesn't have anything to do with John the Baptist. The point is that Malachi 3: 2-4 does describe the character of God's judgement with example in purifying the Levites. Secondly, quit ignoring all my other points that I bring up. Thirdly, the doctrine of hell is not even a biblical concept as much as it is church dogma. Consider that God's people, the Hebrews, never taught about hell and they still don't. Judaism has no concept of hell.
westernlions 8 months ago
@westernlions Sir Malachi 3:1-4 is prophetic and any reputable bible student would tell you that it's about John the baptist and Christ....period. And I've explained all your points...a soul is destroyed if it spends eternity in hell. Matthew 25:41 "Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels"
deliverednow 8 months ago
@deliverednow
There is no apparent connection with John the Baptist in Malachi that I see or that any scholars point out. Expand your knowledge beyond your "all-knowing" bible class. You have not addressed all of my points, you pick and chose what to talk about.. You shoudn't contradict yourself, a soul can't be destroyed if it spends eternity in hell. In Matt. 25;41, the word for everlasting is the Greek word "aionion" which means pertaining to the ages. Read and compare bible translations.
westernlions 8 months ago
@westernlions I've answered your questions and then some, you just don't like my answers. And a soul going to an everlasting fire spells destruction for that soul. That's basic bible and christian knowledge. We're going in circles so at this point L pray you've repented of your sins, and have excepted Christ as your. Then the bible says follow peace with all men and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. So I pray you are saved and living holy.
deliverednow 8 months ago
@deliverednow
Oh yes, I know 90% of all mankind is frying forever in hell while the righteous few like you make it to heaven. Christ really is a failure in that case. By the way, turn to God or burn in Hell is not much of a gospel. Certainly not "good news"...
westernlions 8 months ago