Moogerfooger CV: MF-102 Ring Modulator Carrier In (Demo)

[MrCandleBurner]

do you use speaker cables to interconnect or normal guitar patch cables?

[penguinrock]

@MrCandleBurner Just normal patch cables.

[MrCandleBurner]

@penguinrock thanks man great demos!!

i have the 102 and 105 and i'm just getting into them!!

[FlametopFred]

always a big fan of these great pedals - but why does most of the stuff going through all that great gear come out sounding like sour Rockman recordings on old cassette tapes? Ya know? Waiting to here .... something majestic. Just sayin' for all that potential sonic firepower ... results usually nasally, wow and fluttery.

[MrDaggoo]

nice video.

i was wondering if there is a way to combine the murf and the ring modulator. i recently bought a murf and i'm loving it

[penguinrock]

@electronicpoision

You're right, mine does read Audio, Osc, Env, from left to right. If I'm not mistaken, the bottom row of jacks are "point-to-point" wired rather than extending directly off of the circuit board, so it would be easy for Moog to make a change. There is nothing "wrong" with this. My FreqBox has a relatively low serial number, 1768. What's yours?

[electronicpoision]

hello . on my freqBox the output jacks look different than yours ?from left to right it goes like this audio out -env out-osc out-

on your video it is look like that audio out than osc out and than env out from left to the right ! what is wrong yours or mine freq box jacks Frieder

[TenebrousSounds]

Hi mate, thanks for the videos! Really helps me understand the technical jargon behind these great pedals. I have a MF104z on the way and I was wondering if there is any bizarre way I can link it together with the Phaser or Ring Mod?

[penguinrock]

@TenebrousSounds

Stick the Phaser or Ring Mod in the 104Z's loop to get some crazy delay repeats! Or use the Ring Mod's LFO Out to control the Mix, Rate, or Feedback of the 104Z...? I don't have the Phaser, YET.

I actually ordered the Moogerfooger Analog Delay upon hearing that they would no longer be made, but I wound up canceling the order. Had other gear on layaway I needed to pick up. Maybe I'll own one someday in the future...

[TenebrousSounds]

@penguinrock Cheers for the reply! Thats the reason I bought the 104z... I wanted one for ages but I just kept putting it off n when I heard it was being discontinued I had to pull the trigger. I don't have the phaser or ring mod but I'm putting together a lil board for out n about and I'm just toying with ideas. Saying that though 2 foogers wouldn't leave much space on my PT Jr lol.

Will have to try find a local store with the ring mod/phaser in stock n try it out. Thanks again!

[Slekkevet]

What happens if you turn the SYNC on while you send the VCO into the ring mod? This is the one thing I was dying to know, but you didn't flip the switch! Aargh

[no1000]

moog metal hahaha nice man very nice

[chrisjeffsmusic]

interesting, thanks for posting man!

[jfusion10]

why is the Pedal tracking at 1:30 is this because the Mix is not all the way up on the Ring Mod?

[rediculus08]

I just got one of these, and have been having alot of fun, well worth the money.

However I am wondering how would I be able to control the LFO rate with a synth using control voltages?

[penguinrock]

Can you be more specific? Are you trying to control the LFO rate in the synth, or in the pedal? Also, what kind of synth are you using?

I still don't own any synth of my own at this point, so I think it would be better to leave this question for any another synth aficionado to take on....

[rediculus08]

@penguinrock trying to control the LFO rate in the pedal using an SH-101, or even a sampler, basically im just looking to get the LFO on tempo with other equipment. Would you know anything about that?

[Clee3421]

@rediculus08

Yes, there is a Rate input on the back of the ringmod, you can change it with control voltage.

[jevanski69]

wrong link, sorry about that

[mynmyself]

wow! now that is a REAL guitar synth... i hate how a lot of brands sell you enevlopefilters by saying "guitar synth"... so moogerfoogers have control voltages... wow, the cp251 must be a must-have!

[CyclopsMonkey]

Can you use an expression pedal with Moog pedals?

[penguinrock]

Moog makes its own expression pedal, the EP-2, which can be used with the Moogerfoogers. To my understanding, though (anyone else please correct me if I'm wrong!), the expression pedal has a TRS ("tip-ring-sleeve") plug. Moogerfoogers are designed so that if any one TRS cable is plugged in (EP-2 into a Freq. control, for instance), no other CV jack will work, period. This is a safety feature designed to protect the circuitry.

[CyclopsMonkey]

Ah, thank you for the speedy reply. I'm dead set on getting the MR-102 (and some others) and I was hoping I wouldn't have to lean down to twist some knobs to get some crazy sounds

[Spaghettaboutit]

@penguinrock Actually you can use the MP-102 as the expression pedal, it can do Midi to CV and all loads of shit, aside from their synths I'd say this is the best thing they make.

[Spaghettaboutit]

@CyclopsMonkey Check out the Moog MP-102

[penguinrock]

*correction* MP-201 Multi-Pedal... I definitely want one.

[Spaghettaboutit]

@penguinrock The EP-2 also works, just isn't nearly as good at the MP-201 :D

[dontbelievethahype]

@penguinrock Yes, you want one!! I have a dual oscillator bass guitar synth board, and finally plugged a MIDI keyboard into the MP201; controlling the freqbox's and a lowpass as oscillators and using a Gate or ADSR Envelope (new firmware) into the Ringmod's Carrier In as VCA-- quickly turns my bass guitar synth into a keyboard monosynth! You could do it with your Freqbox&Ringmod, using their Osc Outs instead of Audio Outs. :)

[dontbelievethahype]

@penguinrock Another trick with the MP-201 and Ringmod Carrier In: In Expression mode with the CV to the Carrier In, the Ringmod acts as a Volume pedal with full volume at about 2.5v-- with a full 5v you reach unity halfway in the sweep, and then back to silent at toe down for manual tremolo tones. If you use the MP201's LFO's into the Carrier In, you effectively have Tap Tempo/MIDI sync-able tremolo with multiple waveform choices. The MP and CP are must haves in a moogerfooger setup!

[penguinrock]

@dontbelievethahype: Thanks for the tips! You should be making demo videos!

The CP-251 is still on my wish list... And I ask myself, just why did I buy a Playstation 3 instead?

[discotechwreck]

superb demo video!

[ansiaaa666]

thank you for this great demo! this video is a source of great inspiration for every moogerfooger owner

[NightNeverland]

the reason the LFO controls do nothing when the FreqBox is plugged into the "carrier in" is because the FreqBox is functioning as the LFO. Ring mod is a combination of two tones-one input and one oscillator (usually). Normally one tone is generated by the box (the oscillator), but whatever you plug into the "carrier in" is functioning as the oscillator.

PS-great demo, love the theremin, and i wish i had your gear.

[plague1715]

You can also plug the ring mod LFO out into the freqbox frequency in and have it function like usual, but you might want to run the lfo through an attenuator because the amount control won't work.

[MoogMusicInc]

This shows off a very central concept of Moogerfooger design. If you have two Moogerfoogers, you not only have the features of each, but you have a third set of features that spring from the comb...ination of the two.

For each Moogerfooger you add, your sound-sculpting power grows exponentially.

Great use of the Etherwave Theremin in this one as well!

[dfpratt04]

Have you tried taking audio out of the Ring Mod into the audio in of the Freqbox, Osc out of the Freqbox into the carrier in of the Ring Mod, hard sync of the Freqbox on and the mix of the Freqbox all the way down? Seems like the carrier should track your guitar that way, but add the harmonic content that the Ring Mod does. I need to get a Freqbox. Thanks man.

[penguinrock]

I tried what you suggested by switching the order of the Ring Mod and FreqBox altogether. Turns out, the Oscillator Out from the FreqBox stays exactly the same, i.e., the Osc Out does not reflect being in sync with the guitar's tone, even with the pedal on (and Mix knob down).

...But I like what you're thinking!

[penguinrock]

I failed to mention, I tried running the stereo output from my Boss DD-20 Giga Delay into the Ring Mod's Carrier Input. The tone begins to snowball fast as the Ring Mod is fed into the delay, which is then fed back into the Ring Mod... Then I tried it with the PS-5 Super Shifter, which gave me less than desirable results.