What nonsense. The "kids" never took or showed baseline readings of each battery prior to testing. How do we know if both were fully charged? Makes a big difference. Plus you can't put any stock in a company reviewing it's product against a well known competitor.
That wasn't my experience. My nano-techs lost a lot of "punch" after about 6 flights. They're the whole reason I changed TO Thunderpower. The Thunderpowers are still going strong after 8 months. No noticeable degradation.
can you please tell me what to do with lipos if i don´t use them reguarly? what should i do after i have used them and going to have them in a lipo-bag for a couple of months?
sorry guys but its a shame how you test the batterys! this shows that you dont know what you are doing there and what you are talking about...@all: dont believe this guys on that lipo testing point ! the 45c nanos puff really really quick, but before they perform well.
TBH TP batteries are way over priced. So are some of the main competitors such as Hyperion and Gen-Ace. When I can buy a 4s 5000mah Turnigy battery for $42 but have to pay $80 for a Hyperion or TP 2s doesn't make sense. I have had bad experiences with big RC names such as TP and Spectrum. Bloating on the TPs and malfunctioning on the Spectrum gear. In RC the saying "you get what you pay for" doesn't work! At least not for me. I have just bought my 1st 2 x Nano Tech 4s packs. Time will tell.
Seriously, if you believe the contrived rubbish conatined in this video, you have to be nuts. I'd like to see an independant test, done after around 30-40 cycles. Any of the decent brands will destroy the nano-techs. They are poor at best, dangerous at worst. I've seen numerous users at the field, none have got past 15 cycles without serious puffing and power loss. Total rubbish.
@halo001ify The meter didn't break. That meter draws current from the battery and needs a certain voltage to be operational. The voltage on the battery dropped so much because of the high load on it that the meter didn't get the power it needed to be operational.
I have had multiple HK batteries die on me within few cycles. After looking at the comments for this video, apparently I am not the only one lol. I will disagree that with some saying the C rating doesn't matter because it does however all HK batts seem to be over-rated and unreliable. Everyone likes a cheap price but in the end you get what you pay for and HobbyKing is CHEAP SHIT.
Here is my own personal review. 50% of my batteries from HK were in a bad shape already on arrival (at least one defective cell). Decide by yourself what crap you want to pay for.
Go to ordinoscope-net and search "Hobbyking se fiche de nous !" for the full story.
I'm glad people are bringing up the longevity issue. I bought 4 HK's and 2 Fantoms in the spring for my 1/8 buggy. 1 HK lost a cell, 2 HK's puffed, and I sold the other before something happened to it. 1 of the Fantoms puffed and Fantom replaced it under warranty. So, I've got 0 of 4 HK's and 2 of 2 Fantoms to start next season. Do the math, the Fantoms are the value.
One last comment, warranty, WHEN HK decides to make a good battery, they will probably come up with a good warranty for it.
@shannoncaldwell1 Yup, its not worth the time to bother with warranty. Better of buying a proper battery to start with. And if i had a Lipo die within 12months i take it to my local hobby shop and they replace it on the spot. Have dealt with them for years and know that im not going to go home and hook it up to 5000 lightbulbs and flog it to death.
I would be very surprised if Thunder Power doesn't sue you over this completely invalid test. How many times did you have to do it before you found a way that made the NT look better? There's too much hooey in this video. It doesn't have to be this complicated. On a 65C 2000 mAh battery, you can pull 130 amps - there is no reason you couldn't hook up 130 amps worth of light bulbs IN SERIES, and get the amp draw directly.
On a 3S, the logical way to wire 12V halogens is to stick them all in parallell. If you put them all in series, you wont get that many amps of power draw.
Indeed it doesn't have to be as "complicated", you could just use a regular DMM to measure voltage, and a regular clamp meter to measure one bulb, and derive the total amps by multiplying the displayed amps by the number of bulbs you have, and then you need to integrate the voltages and amps to get mAh and Wh.
@shadowsimjk Yes I know about how to wire lights, I was meaning the meter. There is no reason you can't measure what the battery is actually experiencing, directly. We don't care what's happening out on the circuit, we need to know what the battery is seeing. I know it 'should be' correct with the math, but measuring somewhere else gives an opportunity for incorrect interpretation of the results.
Furthermore, anyone who's used both brands knows the result is hooey.
Never had a HK lipo last more then 12months, And all my so called expensive lipos last 3 times as long and take 5 times as long to lose the capacity that a HK lipo does in 6mnths.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Only kidding yourself if you think your saving money.
Yep nanos are good when new, the soldering is very weak and i had a couple of nanos where the wires came loose. they are good value in a short run but they don't hold up long, even the standard blue turnigys last longer then the nanos. value for money? not really considering the postage time and prices, i will stick with local, Hyperions...
Guys, your videos are regularly only showing up at the bottom of my subscription list at best, often they don't show up at all. So I'm often only finding your videos when I go looking for them. This is the only subscription that I'm aware of that's doing this. Are you uploading unlisted then making them public a few days later? HTH :)
I'm glad everyone else is suffering the same problems I am with crappo-tech or puffy-tech lipo's as we call them at our flying field. They work for a few cycles and then comes the puffing followed by a rapid degradation of performance. Most of mine lasted a few cycles and that was it... By comparison - the 'expensive' Thunder Power lipo's deliver time and time again without any drop in performance. Spend the extra and buy Thunder Power. I won't ever buy another HK lipo!
A single test run means nothing. Nanotechs are great for the fast charge and perform well when new, BUT in the "long" run the experience me and my friends got with about 40 packs over the last year is that:
- Half of them puff or have one or more cell that loses a lot of capacity in less than 20 discharge cycles
- C ratings are BS. The "25C continuous" ones won't hold a constant 10C without getting dangerously hot after discharging 70% capacity
- Some puff in less than a month, even new & unused
i must have gotten some bad ones but mine got puffy and i didn't notice any power increase. anyway. i like the zippy better. no puffing and reliable operation.
@heartnspirit you have to multiply the wattage and amp readings by 3 to get the real value discharged. so infact the thunder power gave 1896mah and the turnigy 2073mah!
In the long run, Nanotechs don't last. I've had my Skysharkrc lipos for 3 years plus and still going strong. My buddy's Nanotechs can't last past 6 months. It's not a good test. Any brand new battery will perform. Try testing the batteries after 50 cycles. I'll put up my Skysharkrc lipos against the Nanotechs any day. 3+ years on my Skyshark's and still going strong.
@pixelzpusher We used three rows of halogen lights to discharge the batteries. The power analyzer was only connected to one so we wouldn't kill it. While the voltage is actual, the watts and amps are 1/3 of the actual draw. We say this in the video. The display at the bottom is the temperature in Fahrenheit.
@flitetest I watched the entire video and I know exactly how you ran your test. I'm saying put those lipos through 100 cycles and then test again. My Skysharkrc lipos have over 100 cycles and still performing at 80% brand new, going on 3 years. My buddy's Nanotechs have puffed in 6 months under the same amp draw of 80-90 amps, 5000mah capacity. Any new lipo today will give you good numbers. The real test is the ability to last beyond 20-30 cycles. Nanotechs can't do it.
@flitetest Oh and what does that say? Seriously Chad, I love your work but in the end flitetest came out to make awesome honest reviews and this simply is going against what you came out to be. I understand hobbyking is your sponsor but selling bogus products as advertised to be "excellent" seems a little low for a guy like yourself. No disrespect but we like the honest reviews and its hard to put a video like this out to people who have plenty of experience with HK bats because we know better.
@KnightJasonThe Just to clarify... only the meter was connected to one row of lights. The battery still had the 90+ amps drawn. There is no lack of honesty. Both batteries were new and ran the same test. We didn't hide or change anything. We did a capacity test on our 6th episode last year. How is this any different?
@flitetest I'm on your side Chad, you guys never claimed to be testing lifespan but how truley the C rating was. Concidering the thunder power batteries were only being drawn at 41c and not 65c they shouldn't have puffed(though yes they did go past 3.0v per cell). At a full 65c(let alone 130c burst) the thunder power would've been destroyed.
@pixelzpusher In my experience, Nanothechs CAN deliver impressive power when new (so this test is believable), but it is also true that after less than a hundred charge cycles they have only 2/3 of their initial capacity, run hotter and get puffed easily. Interestingly, the higher-rated varieties (45-90C) degrade faster than 25-50Cs. That being said, I still think Nanotechs are a good deal, especially 25-50Cs. I have 12 of them, ranging from 2200 to 5000mah, and I am buying more.
@bagurka If you feel spending $ on packs that last 50 cycles is worth it, then by all means, buy them. I spend the same money on Skyshark packs and they are near 150 cycles and counting. My Generation 1 XPS packs are going on 2 years, 100 cycles, and still going strong.
@pixelzpusher Sorry the last comment (from bagurka) was mine. When I go into the wilderness to shoot aerial video, I like to bring as many batteries as I can -- there's no time, or means, to charge them on the spot. With this in mind I prefer having two 5000mah Turnigy nanotechs (2x$32) instead of one Skyshark (1x$73), and enjoy double flight time when it counts. Longevity is not a big issue since my power requirements change faster than batteries degrade.
@fgene71 Here's what I've done. I've accumulated batteries over the past 3 years. I now have enough batteries for 8 flights, 10 cells each flight (2x-3 cells, 1x-4 cells). That's a total of 24 lipos, 5000mah each. It took me 3 years to get that many, but I never charge at the field. It lasts me 2.5 hours every Saturday, 8 total flights and some downtime chatting with my friends.
@pixelzpusher What I am trying to say, I am not even sure I'll be using 3S 5000mahs anymore when my batteries finally kick the bucket :) 3 years ago I bought several TPs, they are still like new, but the plane they were intended for is long gone, and I have very little use for them now. Not a good investment, really. On the other hand, 2200mah Nanotechs I bought a year ago after heavy use are now reaching the end of their lives, and that's no problem -- my new multikopter runs on 5000mahs now.
@pixelzpusher Totally agree. Havent flown for about 3 months. Dig out my Nano Tech,45c 1 yr, TP 45C 2yrs, FP 50C 1yr. Flying my Add X I usually get 7mins with time to spare, throw in the Nano tech and Low volt cut 5 mins into the flight and very puffy. Both TP an FP Flew just fine. Recharged the Nano Tech and same result, 5 mins and puffy.All Lipos where charged to storage voltage once a month until I use them again but somehow the Nanotech has lost its capacity.
@CMCKAYVSTMCKAY Everyone knows the "C" rating is a marketing tool. Nanotechs are not giving you that kind of "C" rating. 130C rating? That's 600amps burst. I don't think so. My Skysharks are at or around 150 cycles. Can you say the same for any Nanotechs out there? And do I really need 65C? Nope. Yeah, 20 less max burst rating, but 100 more cycles. I'll take the extra 100 cycles any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Yeah, the Skyshark's are SWEET!!! :)
@pixelzpusher Yeah the C rating is marketing tool no difference between a 30c and 60c just a differnt sticker thats all. Really honest truth.they dip the wires more to make them look like a thicker guage wire too. and yes I have had my packs since Nov 2010 and all 5 packs average approx 80 -100 cycles depending on what pack you want to look at and ZERO problems. Run them outside from -35C to 30C...Not one problem..Do I really need 60c no not many do but its nice to have the option.
@pixelzpusher I've got nanotechs, flightmax, turnigy and rhino lipos and I've had nothing but great things to say about them all. Some with years of use. If your buddys nonatechs dont make it 6 months hes doing something wrong.
@bigwood212 My buddy is doing the same "wrong thing" to his Gen Aces and they've been holding up no problem for the last 4 months. No signs of puffing or heating issues. Major puffing issues with the Nanotechs after 3 months and pretty much dead after 6 months. If he's doing "something wrong" then Gen Aces lipos must be doing something right versus Nanotechs because the Gen Aces sure are not affected by whatever my buddy is "doing wrong." Just FYI.
@numex106 not when it leaves you with 2 batteries you cant use! 2 junk is still not as good as 1 that works. I have put another 3 weeks on my Nano's, and can verify they dont kick nearly as hard as they did in the first month.
There should've been a per cell reading, We could've known what the TP pack was taken down to. There might have been a popped cell that heated up the pack. NANOs 45cs are the ish, the rest of the c packs? Not so good, they shouldn't even done them cause people get confused.
What a joke, what they fail to mention is the complete lack of customer support provided by HK. I bought 4 new 6S 4500mah when I built up my Trex 700E this past summer. Completely babied these batteries trying to break them in. 3 of the 4 lost a cell before the 5th flight. Hobby king tol me to pack sand. Thunder Power power will actually back their lipo's up. Hobby King never again. BTW I was great customer, over $2800 worth of purchases the last 3 years, not anymore.
I do not trust this video on any level. Nanotech batteries, I will take a maximum of 5 cycles, during which they leave a lot of power. It's true. But after they have been ruined.
I have ruined many nanotech batteries in the car, on airplanes and helicopters. I do not ever buy a single.
So what? if the Nanotech comes with a bad cell, and you bought 2, could as well buy the TP.. wich has FREE warranty during the 1st year of purchase. Makes no sense.
You can use the TP for 2 year, making 500 flights, crash it, burn it and buy the second one for 50%....
@13Anko yeah and they have the same power.. . get real..
I used my NT 4000mah 45c for 1 and a half years. can' t remember hwo many flights .. but definetely jump started cars dozens of times.. .. stop comparing overpriced batteries.. and they still puff .. a 3300mah 4s 65c TP puffed on the first use on a dynam meteor with an RClander DPS. unit.. I can take the cost of a NT to puff. but never an overpriced thunderpower. and yes the 65c NT are GREAT...
@BashMonkeyRC TP doesnt make this kind of reviews. because they believe they make the best products(and they do). Also, they have loyal customers due to the warranty.
@Neologicspasms, Did you SEE it puff? NO! They said it and threw it out of sight of the camera. Fail. I can tell you never, ever had a quality batterie in your hands like TP.
@Stikmunkey, almost al batteries are good in their first few cycles. the difference between them starts noticing after 30+ cycles. some are dead after 40.
@Stikmunkey - you're dead on right, who cares how the act after first to cycles...I can bust 80 amps on 20c turnigies first three cycles. Its how the act after 30-40 cycles at 3/4 amp out rating burst during flight.
@peperpimenta i have to say that this video is biased and not edited objectively enough, but i'll also say this, my turnigy batteries have performed better and lasted longer without puffing than all of the hyperion batts i have bought, can't speak for TP as i've never owned them. i do have one rhino battery from hk that's gone through at least 300 cycles and still delivers, can't say as much for it's companions, most you could hope from with a better brand is more consistent quality
@peperpimenta True, I haven't used TP but I have used Maxamps which is rated as another "high class" battery. That thing I bought for nearly $200 and lasted 6 months before shorting out, however each of the two $35 Turnigy's I bought afterward have lasted since march and are still going strong. So I don't really follow that "big name=better quality" crap anymore.
+ With thunderpower, if you have a doa, free new one, if one goes bad within a year, you get a new one.. If you want to replace em by new ones, you can do that with a 50% off.
I have had all the nano's, from 25 to 65c, and they are all CRAP. Puffing within 50 flights. look up at Helifreak, and you will see that thats almost 90 precent of the comments about Nano's.
@13Anko Thats odd, because the Nano's that I've had have all been good.
Ive only had "Normal" turnigy batts go bad but $9 for a 2200 3s I didnt really care.
Im pushing 160kph in my RC converted chuck glider "Multiplex Fox" with a
1000mah 25-50c 3s drawing 40 amps hnd is going good so far. Sorry that you've had bad luck with the Nanos but its been nothing but good experiances with mine.
@flitetest you should write it with big letters that you measured 1/3 ot the circuit. Thus you get 30A and 600-700mAh capacity. So the real values was 1800-2000mAh under 90A. BTW GensAce are better than nano tech - you should try them too.
One thing you fail to clarify is that the total current drawn was around 90A, you used the all 3 banks of globes but only measured the current of one bank.
@wippo76 Only once right in the beginning & it never gets repeated, anyone watching and not paying attention to that reference could assume that the current being drawn is around 30A but the voltage of the pack drops to 9.4-9.8V which shouldn't happen at 30A but would at 90A. All I'm saying is that better clarification needs to be made otherwise it can easily be assumed that the current draw is only 30A (note the confusion in GamerSipes' comment). Anyway a very unscientific way to test.
It would be super awesome if you could do a review on the E-Flite Carbon Z Yak 54. I'm getting one for x-mas and would lobe to see what you guys think about it.
Next time you guys run this test....unplug the load (lamps) from your wattmeter....leaving the battery connected to the meter without the load so that you can record all the data. There is a discharge curve involved...the watt-hours will be the most important piece of data....area under the curve....etc.....
I like these reviews and all but the hobbyking sponsorship makes me feel like they're biased. I have the nano-tech 120mah batteries and they work good but if I had something go wrong I could never return them. However, with a name brand battery I can screw up and not have to return it to China. Plus these connectors only fit those P.O.S hobby king planes. If they had some EC3 connectors for quality parkzone/e flite planes I would be interested. I would only suggest these batteries if you won't
If you're in the US, and buy US branded products, or if you're in China, and buy china products, you're good with warrant.y The rest of us (Not china, not US) have the same (non-existent) warranty situation with all batteries, which, if HK warranty situation is worth mentioning, is surely also worth mentioning for TK too :P
Can you please explain why you only got between 600 and 700 mAh out of these fully-charged 2250 mAh batteries before they dropped below useable voltage? Shouldn't you have gotten close to 2250 mAh?
Shouldn't the voltage levels been reading as 12.6v when the batteries were first connected? This whole test was confusing to me, and I would not base any opinions on battery purchases based on this video. However, I do agree that everyone should test different batteries, either scientifically, or just by flying yourplanes, and determine which batteries are the best bang for the buck.
@livvidd no, a 1 amp draw on a 2200mah 2 volt battery will discharge it in the same time as a 1 amp draw on a 200 volt 2200mah battery. The difference will be the watts you get from that 1 amp draw. Watts = amps x voltage.
nice video guys, looks a bit like a commercial ;), still the numbers are on the screen, it looks like a good pack- im flying smaler 1300mah nanos on my 64mm EFD´s but i didnt made many testflights yet, so no data on longterm useage. I like that they are also lighter then the standard packs, less weight is allways good. One more think, if HK want to sell these packs so bad, maybe they should put some in the other warehouses too, for example, the german warehouse dont offer nano-tech packs...
would be good to see how the batteries survived this massive power drain. its good to have a high c rating, but can they sustain repeated abuse like this? charge em up n do it again
litetest!!!
neonbluen851 2 weeks ago
Thundercats are goooo
connieindahouse 3 weeks ago
Buyed 3x of The Nano tech hope it works in the Katana MD just got build
tms190 1 month ago
What nonsense. The "kids" never took or showed baseline readings of each battery prior to testing. How do we know if both were fully charged? Makes a big difference. Plus you can't put any stock in a company reviewing it's product against a well known competitor.
flyinwalenda 1 month ago
@flyinwalenda I trust Flitetest, but feel free to run your own test. You don't have to believe them if you don't want to.
jon780 3 days ago
That wasn't my experience. My nano-techs lost a lot of "punch" after about 6 flights. They're the whole reason I changed TO Thunderpower. The Thunderpowers are still going strong after 8 months. No noticeable degradation.
helipassion 1 month ago
how about zippy?
pietzeekoe 1 month ago
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can you please tell me what to do with lipos if i don´t use them reguarly? what should i do after i have used them and going to have them in a lipo-bag for a couple of months?
shockhelmet 1 month ago in playlist REVIEWS
You guys should try the GENS ACE
Celledral 1 month ago
Hmm, well, I think for the cost, the nano-techs are a great buy anyway!
HamdhanA330 2 months ago
Gens Ace is THE brand you want!
rolf1992 2 months ago
I think I am going back to what Scott said on the, "Flying Low CHALLENGE" ,"Lucifer Windistål"!!!!!!!!!!! O.O
danictheman 2 months ago
@smorgardsboard No worries :)
SIXEIGHTTWO 2 months ago
@smorgardsboard Hi! The CE OSD V1.5 from foxtechfpv is great and very reliable, it can monitor the battery voltage/current.
Check out my setup video on my channel :)
Any questions just ask...
SIXEIGHTTWO 2 months ago
what a scam, my batteries lasts 4 times longer than nano-tech crap. come on are u seriously trying to fool us?
DGDK23 2 months ago in playlist Flite Test Review
@DGDK23 ROFL
danictheman 2 months ago
sorry guys but its a shame how you test the batterys! this shows that you dont know what you are doing there and what you are talking about...@all: dont believe this guys on that lipo testing point ! the 45c nanos puff really really quick, but before they perform well.
helijonas 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@CMCKAYVSTMCKAY
rakuenz 2 months ago
for a bunch of guys who like to control tiny flying objects in the sky you sure like to stare into bright lights a lot...
michael1980123 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
mine nanotechs didnt last more than 6 months aswell, already puffed, they are cheap yes, but they dont last like brand ones.
santiago404 2 months ago
TBH TP batteries are way over priced. So are some of the main competitors such as Hyperion and Gen-Ace. When I can buy a 4s 5000mah Turnigy battery for $42 but have to pay $80 for a Hyperion or TP 2s doesn't make sense. I have had bad experiences with big RC names such as TP and Spectrum. Bloating on the TPs and malfunctioning on the Spectrum gear. In RC the saying "you get what you pay for" doesn't work! At least not for me. I have just bought my 1st 2 x Nano Tech 4s packs. Time will tell.
DRAXKING21 2 months ago
Seriously, if you believe the contrived rubbish conatined in this video, you have to be nuts. I'd like to see an independant test, done after around 30-40 cycles. Any of the decent brands will destroy the nano-techs. They are poor at best, dangerous at worst. I've seen numerous users at the field, none have got past 15 cycles without serious puffing and power loss. Total rubbish.
jamiemckeen 2 months ago
I love the name of the machine litetest veyr punny(pun and funny)
RcPlanesAreAwsome 2 months ago
Seriously people, if I had Hobbyking and now Horizon sending me all this gear I'd say whatever the hell they wanted me to say. Get real.
400chevlc 2 months ago
Unsubscribing, you became hobbyking pet. What a shame.
sukalo 2 months ago
would love to see this same test putting the nano tech vs gens ace packs since these seem to be the two top packs coming out of HK
korey1033 2 months ago
The hobby king meter broke! I bet one from e flite would still work LOL
halo001ify 2 months ago
@halo001ify The meter didn't break. That meter draws current from the battery and needs a certain voltage to be operational. The voltage on the battery dropped so much because of the high load on it that the meter didn't get the power it needed to be operational.
lucianmp 2 months ago
If I had a sponsorship by hobby king and got free planes and get paid I would also make biased reviews. LOL
halo001ify 2 months ago
I have had multiple HK batteries die on me within few cycles. After looking at the comments for this video, apparently I am not the only one lol. I will disagree that with some saying the C rating doesn't matter because it does however all HK batts seem to be over-rated and unreliable. Everyone likes a cheap price but in the end you get what you pay for and HobbyKing is CHEAP SHIT.
KnightJasonThe 2 months ago
another good teaching video. keep 'em coming. l'm converted to Nano-Tech!
theleabres 2 months ago
Here is my own personal review. 50% of my batteries from HK were in a bad shape already on arrival (at least one defective cell). Decide by yourself what crap you want to pay for.
Go to ordinoscope-net and search "Hobbyking se fiche de nous !" for the full story.
jice1230 2 months ago
I'm glad people are bringing up the longevity issue. I bought 4 HK's and 2 Fantoms in the spring for my 1/8 buggy. 1 HK lost a cell, 2 HK's puffed, and I sold the other before something happened to it. 1 of the Fantoms puffed and Fantom replaced it under warranty. So, I've got 0 of 4 HK's and 2 of 2 Fantoms to start next season. Do the math, the Fantoms are the value.
One last comment, warranty, WHEN HK decides to make a good battery, they will probably come up with a good warranty for it.
shannoncaldwell1 2 months ago
@shannoncaldwell1 Yup, its not worth the time to bother with warranty. Better of buying a proper battery to start with. And if i had a Lipo die within 12months i take it to my local hobby shop and they replace it on the spot. Have dealt with them for years and know that im not going to go home and hook it up to 5000 lightbulbs and flog it to death.
MRSTIV6 2 months ago
I would be very surprised if Thunder Power doesn't sue you over this completely invalid test. How many times did you have to do it before you found a way that made the NT look better? There's too much hooey in this video. It doesn't have to be this complicated. On a 65C 2000 mAh battery, you can pull 130 amps - there is no reason you couldn't hook up 130 amps worth of light bulbs IN SERIES, and get the amp draw directly.
jasmine2501 2 months ago
@jasmine2501
On a 3S, the logical way to wire 12V halogens is to stick them all in parallell. If you put them all in series, you wont get that many amps of power draw.
Indeed it doesn't have to be as "complicated", you could just use a regular DMM to measure voltage, and a regular clamp meter to measure one bulb, and derive the total amps by multiplying the displayed amps by the number of bulbs you have, and then you need to integrate the voltages and amps to get mAh and Wh.
shadowsimjk 2 months ago
@shadowsimjk Yes I know about how to wire lights, I was meaning the meter. There is no reason you can't measure what the battery is actually experiencing, directly. We don't care what's happening out on the circuit, we need to know what the battery is seeing. I know it 'should be' correct with the math, but measuring somewhere else gives an opportunity for incorrect interpretation of the results.
Furthermore, anyone who's used both brands knows the result is hooey.
jasmine2501 2 months ago
Never had a HK lipo last more then 12months, And all my so called expensive lipos last 3 times as long and take 5 times as long to lose the capacity that a HK lipo does in 6mnths.
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR. Only kidding yourself if you think your saving money.
MRSTIV6 2 months ago
Yep nanos are good when new, the soldering is very weak and i had a couple of nanos where the wires came loose. they are good value in a short run but they don't hold up long, even the standard blue turnigys last longer then the nanos. value for money? not really considering the postage time and prices, i will stick with local, Hyperions...
peperpimenta 2 months ago
6:25 :D
Guys, your videos are regularly only showing up at the bottom of my subscription list at best, often they don't show up at all. So I'm often only finding your videos when I go looking for them. This is the only subscription that I'm aware of that's doing this. Are you uploading unlisted then making them public a few days later? HTH :)
ksandom40 2 months ago
sorry for my misunderstanding...rushed through the video ;)
anorakksche 2 months ago
I'm glad everyone else is suffering the same problems I am with crappo-tech or puffy-tech lipo's as we call them at our flying field. They work for a few cycles and then comes the puffing followed by a rapid degradation of performance. Most of mine lasted a few cycles and that was it... By comparison - the 'expensive' Thunder Power lipo's deliver time and time again without any drop in performance. Spend the extra and buy Thunder Power. I won't ever buy another HK lipo!
NitroCharged 2 months ago
Great review guys!
cloudsplitter24 2 months ago
Great test, but why censor David... in the movies you hear nothing else ;)
andlinux 2 months ago
Thankyou, I stand corrected. The test is legit. 1000 watts is a true torture test. Good for HK. There is no doubt the Nanotechs puts out the power.
tp
tomzah1 2 months ago
Nice review, but I'd rather see reviews of HK products that are NOT sponsored by HK.
vibosoft 2 months ago
A single test run means nothing. Nanotechs are great for the fast charge and perform well when new, BUT in the "long" run the experience me and my friends got with about 40 packs over the last year is that:
- Half of them puff or have one or more cell that loses a lot of capacity in less than 20 discharge cycles
- C ratings are BS. The "25C continuous" ones won't hold a constant 10C without getting dangerously hot after discharging 70% capacity
- Some puff in less than a month, even new & unused
kilrahvp 2 months ago
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kilrahvp 2 months ago
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@tomzah1 They say the meter only measures one row of lights, thus shows one third of the actual value. Read and listen. Still, 1500 is quite little.
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heartnspirit 2 months ago
i must have gotten some bad ones but mine got puffy and i didn't notice any power increase. anyway. i like the zippy better. no puffing and reliable operation.
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heartnspirit 2 months ago
@heartnspirit you have to multiply the wattage and amp readings by 3 to get the real value discharged. so infact the thunder power gave 1896mah and the turnigy 2073mah!
pocoyo2212 2 months ago
In the long run, Nanotechs don't last. I've had my Skysharkrc lipos for 3 years plus and still going strong. My buddy's Nanotechs can't last past 6 months. It's not a good test. Any brand new battery will perform. Try testing the batteries after 50 cycles. I'll put up my Skysharkrc lipos against the Nanotechs any day. 3+ years on my Skyshark's and still going strong.
pixelzpusher 2 months ago 6
@pixelzpusher We used three rows of halogen lights to discharge the batteries. The power analyzer was only connected to one so we wouldn't kill it. While the voltage is actual, the watts and amps are 1/3 of the actual draw. We say this in the video. The display at the bottom is the temperature in Fahrenheit.
flitetest 2 months ago
@flitetest I watched the entire video and I know exactly how you ran your test. I'm saying put those lipos through 100 cycles and then test again. My Skysharkrc lipos have over 100 cycles and still performing at 80% brand new, going on 3 years. My buddy's Nanotechs have puffed in 6 months under the same amp draw of 80-90 amps, 5000mah capacity. Any new lipo today will give you good numbers. The real test is the ability to last beyond 20-30 cycles. Nanotechs can't do it.
pixelzpusher 2 months ago
@flitetest Oh and what does that say? Seriously Chad, I love your work but in the end flitetest came out to make awesome honest reviews and this simply is going against what you came out to be. I understand hobbyking is your sponsor but selling bogus products as advertised to be "excellent" seems a little low for a guy like yourself. No disrespect but we like the honest reviews and its hard to put a video like this out to people who have plenty of experience with HK bats because we know better.
KnightJasonThe 2 months ago
@KnightJasonThe Just to clarify... only the meter was connected to one row of lights. The battery still had the 90+ amps drawn. There is no lack of honesty. Both batteries were new and ran the same test. We didn't hide or change anything. We did a capacity test on our 6th episode last year. How is this any different?
-Chad
flitetest 2 months ago
@flitetest I'm on your side Chad, you guys never claimed to be testing lifespan but how truley the C rating was. Concidering the thunder power batteries were only being drawn at 41c and not 65c they shouldn't have puffed(though yes they did go past 3.0v per cell). At a full 65c(let alone 130c burst) the thunder power would've been destroyed.
bassman2914 2 months ago
@pixelzpusher In my experience, Nanothechs CAN deliver impressive power when new (so this test is believable), but it is also true that after less than a hundred charge cycles they have only 2/3 of their initial capacity, run hotter and get puffed easily. Interestingly, the higher-rated varieties (45-90C) degrade faster than 25-50Cs. That being said, I still think Nanotechs are a good deal, especially 25-50Cs. I have 12 of them, ranging from 2200 to 5000mah, and I am buying more.
bagurka 2 months ago
@bagurka If you feel spending $ on packs that last 50 cycles is worth it, then by all means, buy them. I spend the same money on Skyshark packs and they are near 150 cycles and counting. My Generation 1 XPS packs are going on 2 years, 100 cycles, and still going strong.
pixelzpusher 2 months ago
@pixelzpusher Sorry the last comment (from bagurka) was mine. When I go into the wilderness to shoot aerial video, I like to bring as many batteries as I can -- there's no time, or means, to charge them on the spot. With this in mind I prefer having two 5000mah Turnigy nanotechs (2x$32) instead of one Skyshark (1x$73), and enjoy double flight time when it counts. Longevity is not a big issue since my power requirements change faster than batteries degrade.
fgene71 2 months ago
@fgene71 Here's what I've done. I've accumulated batteries over the past 3 years. I now have enough batteries for 8 flights, 10 cells each flight (2x-3 cells, 1x-4 cells). That's a total of 24 lipos, 5000mah each. It took me 3 years to get that many, but I never charge at the field. It lasts me 2.5 hours every Saturday, 8 total flights and some downtime chatting with my friends.
pixelzpusher 2 months ago
@pixelzpusher What I am trying to say, I am not even sure I'll be using 3S 5000mahs anymore when my batteries finally kick the bucket :) 3 years ago I bought several TPs, they are still like new, but the plane they were intended for is long gone, and I have very little use for them now. Not a good investment, really. On the other hand, 2200mah Nanotechs I bought a year ago after heavy use are now reaching the end of their lives, and that's no problem -- my new multikopter runs on 5000mahs now.
fgene71 2 months ago
@pixelzpusher Totally agree. Havent flown for about 3 months. Dig out my Nano Tech,45c 1 yr, TP 45C 2yrs, FP 50C 1yr. Flying my Add X I usually get 7mins with time to spare, throw in the Nano tech and Low volt cut 5 mins into the flight and very puffy. Both TP an FP Flew just fine. Recharged the Nano Tech and same result, 5 mins and puffy.All Lipos where charged to storage voltage once a month until I use them again but somehow the Nanotech has lost its capacity.
MRSTIV6 2 months ago
@pixelzpusher -Been running Nano-tec for alot longer than 6 months
and lets see what your saying here
3s 5000mah Nano 25 - 50c $42
3s 5000mah Nano 35 - 70c $40
3s 5000mah Nano 40 - 90c $47
3s 5000mah Nano 65 - 130c $54.57
vs
Skyshark Rc
3s 5000mah 25c - 30c $73
20 less max burst rating and $31 more bucks I could get these awsome Lipo's from Skyshark SWEET!!!!
CMCKAYVSTMCKAY 2 months ago
@CMCKAYVSTMCKAY Everyone knows the "C" rating is a marketing tool. Nanotechs are not giving you that kind of "C" rating. 130C rating? That's 600amps burst. I don't think so. My Skysharks are at or around 150 cycles. Can you say the same for any Nanotechs out there? And do I really need 65C? Nope. Yeah, 20 less max burst rating, but 100 more cycles. I'll take the extra 100 cycles any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Yeah, the Skyshark's are SWEET!!! :)
pixelzpusher 2 months ago
@pixelzpusher Yeah the C rating is marketing tool no difference between a 30c and 60c just a differnt sticker thats all. Really honest truth.they dip the wires more to make them look like a thicker guage wire too. and yes I have had my packs since Nov 2010 and all 5 packs average approx 80 -100 cycles depending on what pack you want to look at and ZERO problems. Run them outside from -35C to 30C...Not one problem..Do I really need 60c no not many do but its nice to have the option.
CMCKAYVSTMCKAY 2 months ago
@pixelzpusher I've got nanotechs, flightmax, turnigy and rhino lipos and I've had nothing but great things to say about them all. Some with years of use. If your buddys nonatechs dont make it 6 months hes doing something wrong.
bigwood212 2 months ago
@bigwood212 My buddy is doing the same "wrong thing" to his Gen Aces and they've been holding up no problem for the last 4 months. No signs of puffing or heating issues. Major puffing issues with the Nanotechs after 3 months and pretty much dead after 6 months. If he's doing "something wrong" then Gen Aces lipos must be doing something right versus Nanotechs because the Gen Aces sure are not affected by whatever my buddy is "doing wrong." Just FYI.
pixelzpusher 2 months ago
HobbyKing customer service still sucks. I don't care what products they have, customer service is still bad.
pixelzpusher 2 months ago
Come back and test the same batteries again in 3 months.... I find the Nano's fall off after a few months.
jbonnardel 2 months ago 6
@jbonnardel two for the price of one is still a good deal
numex106 1 month ago
@numex106 not when it leaves you with 2 batteries you cant use! 2 junk is still not as good as 1 that works. I have put another 3 weeks on my Nano's, and can verify they dont kick nearly as hard as they did in the first month.
jbonnardel 1 month ago
@jbonnardel what about gens ace, i hear they're pretty on par with tp
numex106 1 month ago
Turnigy vs Flightmax vs Nanotech vs Polyquest would have been better.
rcflight13 2 months ago
There should've been a per cell reading, We could've known what the TP pack was taken down to. There might have been a popped cell that heated up the pack. NANOs 45cs are the ish, the rest of the c packs? Not so good, they shouldn't even done them cause people get confused.
erh7771 2 months ago
Humble suggestion: state the weight and dimensions of the two batteries in the description too.
gluino 2 months ago
Lol wish mine had the chance to puffs......
zaboAA 2 months ago
blog.laurencegough . c0m /2011/10/turnigy-nano-techs-have-really-puffed/
TechnexLOL 2 months ago
Google Nano Tech puffed
TechnexLOL 2 months ago
What a joke, what they fail to mention is the complete lack of customer support provided by HK. I bought 4 new 6S 4500mah when I built up my Trex 700E this past summer. Completely babied these batteries trying to break them in. 3 of the 4 lost a cell before the 5th flight. Hobby king tol me to pack sand. Thunder Power power will actually back their lipo's up. Hobby King never again. BTW I was great customer, over $2800 worth of purchases the last 3 years, not anymore.
zaboAA 2 months ago 2
Even on a fast funjet for example, drawing 50 amps. Flight time will be 2 minutes 39 seconds
A standard 30c 2200 zippy, rhino ect should be able to sustain a 66 amp draw. So what is the point of nanotechs? Why would you pay extra for them?
noelywire 2 months ago
how do you get a 100 cycles on the TP if they puff on the first one? LOL. 13Anko you make no sense.
neologicspasms 2 months ago
If you don't make it in one cycle then what's the different in 100 cycles
stikmunkey 2 months ago
I do not trust this video on any level. Nanotech batteries, I will take a maximum of 5 cycles, during which they leave a lot of power. It's true. But after they have been ruined.
I have ruined many nanotech batteries in the car, on airplanes and helicopters. I do not ever buy a single.
taskulamppufriikki 2 months ago
Do this test again when both batteries have 100 cycles on them.
13Anko 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@13Anko well withthe price of a thunder power you buy more than 2 nano techs.. so .. even if it does 50 cycles it's still a gain.
BUT Ive tried the 65c annotechs and they are Great batteries. some old nanotech batches of the 2200mah 45c were not so good. but not these..
pavcon 2 months ago
So what? if the Nanotech comes with a bad cell, and you bought 2, could as well buy the TP.. wich has FREE warranty during the 1st year of purchase. Makes no sense.
You can use the TP for 2 year, making 500 flights, crash it, burn it and buy the second one for 50%....
13Anko 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@13Anko yeah and they have the same power.. . get real..
I used my NT 4000mah 45c for 1 and a half years. can' t remember hwo many flights .. but definetely jump started cars dozens of times.. .. stop comparing overpriced batteries.. and they still puff .. a 3300mah 4s 65c TP puffed on the first use on a dynam meteor with an RClander DPS. unit.. I can take the cost of a NT to puff. but never an overpriced thunderpower. and yes the 65c NT are GREAT...
pavcon 2 months ago
and Off course the guys at FLitetest will make the Nano look like the better battery, they get them for free!
13Anko 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@13Anko And who's to say that whoever reviews Thunder Power doesn't do the same thing?
BashMonkeyRC 2 months ago in playlist Flite Test Review
@BashMonkeyRC TP doesnt make this kind of reviews. because they believe they make the best products(and they do). Also, they have loyal customers due to the warranty.
@Neologicspasms, Did you SEE it puff? NO! They said it and threw it out of sight of the camera. Fail. I can tell you never, ever had a quality batterie in your hands like TP.
@Stikmunkey, almost al batteries are good in their first few cycles. the difference between them starts noticing after 30+ cycles. some are dead after 40.
13Anko 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@13Anko In the case with Nano-Tech they are normally puffed within 12-30 cycles so you never really get to tell. So much for their best packs.
TechnexLOL 2 months ago
@TechnexLOL Yup. Had 10s 4000 and 4500mAh 45c sticks, puffing after 30 flights,dead by 50.
13Anko 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@Stikmunkey - you're dead on right, who cares how the act after first to cycles...I can bust 80 amps on 20c turnigies first three cycles. Its how the act after 30-40 cycles at 3/4 amp out rating burst during flight.
erh7771 2 months ago
@BashMonkeyRC
You clearly haven't used Thunder power or Hyperion...
buy cheap buy twice.
peperpimenta 2 months ago
@peperpimenta i have to say that this video is biased and not edited objectively enough, but i'll also say this, my turnigy batteries have performed better and lasted longer without puffing than all of the hyperion batts i have bought, can't speak for TP as i've never owned them. i do have one rhino battery from hk that's gone through at least 300 cycles and still delivers, can't say as much for it's companions, most you could hope from with a better brand is more consistent quality
punkinelf 2 months ago
@peperpimenta True, I haven't used TP but I have used Maxamps which is rated as another "high class" battery. That thing I bought for nearly $200 and lasted 6 months before shorting out, however each of the two $35 Turnigy's I bought afterward have lasted since march and are still going strong. So I don't really follow that "big name=better quality" crap anymore.
BashMonkeyRC 2 months ago 2
Small sidenote is that the TP's will do this for 300+ Cycles whilst the nanotechs are gone at 40...;)
13Anko 2 months ago
@13Anko Where is your information to support your statement?
TheRattleSnake3145 2 months ago
@TheRattleSnake3145 Own experience.
+ With thunderpower, if you have a doa, free new one, if one goes bad within a year, you get a new one.. If you want to replace em by new ones, you can do that with a 50% off.
I have had all the nano's, from 25 to 65c, and they are all CRAP. Puffing within 50 flights. look up at Helifreak, and you will see that thats almost 90 precent of the comments about Nano's.
13Anko 2 months ago in playlist Uploaded videos
@13Anko Thats odd, because the Nano's that I've had have all been good.
Ive only had "Normal" turnigy batts go bad but $9 for a 2200 3s I didnt really care.
Im pushing 160kph in my RC converted chuck glider "Multiplex Fox" with a
1000mah 25-50c 3s drawing 40 amps hnd is going good so far. Sorry that you've had bad luck with the Nanos but its been nothing but good experiances with mine.
TheRattleSnake3145 2 months ago
Well I have to say nice job Flite test. Enjoyed that.
ditchit 2 months ago
@flitetest you should write it with big letters that you measured 1/3 ot the circuit. Thus you get 30A and 600-700mAh capacity. So the real values was 1800-2000mAh under 90A. BTW GensAce are better than nano tech - you should try them too.
tygrysiek82 2 months ago in playlist Flite Test Review
@tygrysiek82 Why would they need to write big letters when they say it at the start of the video?
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TheRattleSnake3145 2 months ago
One thing you fail to clarify is that the total current drawn was around 90A, you used the all 3 banks of globes but only measured the current of one bank.
BMGDyer 2 months ago
@BMGDyer they did in the video so watch again
wippo76 2 months ago
@wippo76 Only once right in the beginning & it never gets repeated, anyone watching and not paying attention to that reference could assume that the current being drawn is around 30A but the voltage of the pack drops to 9.4-9.8V which shouldn't happen at 30A but would at 90A. All I'm saying is that better clarification needs to be made otherwise it can easily be assumed that the current draw is only 30A (note the confusion in GamerSipes' comment). Anyway a very unscientific way to test.
BMGDyer 2 months ago
Be interesting to see how they compare against each other after 50 cycles like this.... is this being planned?
DUPNZ 2 months ago
Hi flitetest, Please may you make a video on lipo battery ratings and what they mean. thanks
chopkinsss711 2 months ago
my mom gona try this at hoooooooome!!!!!!!!!
resurrectd 2 months ago in playlist Flite Test Review
Love not lobe lol
123Dyln 2 months ago
It would be super awesome if you could do a review on the E-Flite Carbon Z Yak 54. I'm getting one for x-mas and would lobe to see what you guys think about it.
123Dyln 2 months ago
Next time you guys run this test....unplug the load (lamps) from your wattmeter....leaving the battery connected to the meter without the load so that you can record all the data. There is a discharge curve involved...the watt-hours will be the most important piece of data....area under the curve....etc.....
Flash
Flash1940 2 months ago
I like these reviews and all but the hobbyking sponsorship makes me feel like they're biased. I have the nano-tech 120mah batteries and they work good but if I had something go wrong I could never return them. However, with a name brand battery I can screw up and not have to return it to China. Plus these connectors only fit those P.O.S hobby king planes. If they had some EC3 connectors for quality parkzone/e flite planes I would be interested. I would only suggest these batteries if you won't
halo001ify 2 months ago
@halo001ify in 5 minutes you have changed the connector from your plane so whats the problem, xt60 are good
wippo76 2 months ago
@halo001ify
If you're in the US, and buy US branded products, or if you're in China, and buy china products, you're good with warrant.y The rest of us (Not china, not US) have the same (non-existent) warranty situation with all batteries, which, if HK warranty situation is worth mentioning, is surely also worth mentioning for TK too :P
shadowsimjk 2 months ago
i waited since wednesday for THIS?!?!?
RCllamadude 2 months ago
could you try some zippys or turnigys
mq1506 2 months ago
Can you please explain why you only got between 600 and 700 mAh out of these fully-charged 2250 mAh batteries before they dropped below useable voltage? Shouldn't you have gotten close to 2250 mAh?
crystal130h 2 months ago
@crystal130h
They explain this at the start of the video.
All 3 banks of lights are hooked up but only 1 is being measured.
3x 32 amps = 96 amps draw
3x 600-700 mah = 1800-2100mah used
TheRattleSnake3145 2 months ago
@crystal130h
Explained at start. multiple current and capacity radings by 3, since they were only measuring the power draw of a third of their array.
shadowsimjk 2 months ago
Did you actually need the guy on the right? Was not one dork with sunglasses enough?
Rocketryman 2 months ago
up yours high priced lipo manufacturers!
bongose 2 months ago
Shouldn't the voltage levels been reading as 12.6v when the batteries were first connected? This whole test was confusing to me, and I would not base any opinions on battery purchases based on this video. However, I do agree that everyone should test different batteries, either scientifically, or just by flying yourplanes, and determine which batteries are the best bang for the buck.
GamerSipes 2 months ago
wow hobbyking batterys are very lowcost and much more better than a 50$ battery
TheTheRISKtaker 2 months ago
Given that drawing 146 amps from a 2200 mah batter will give you about 54.24 seconds of flight time, the nanotech batteries are not alot of use imo.
noelywire 2 months ago
@noelywire doesn't that depend on the voltage?
livvidd 2 months ago
@livvidd no, a 1 amp draw on a 2200mah 2 volt battery will discharge it in the same time as a 1 amp draw on a 200 volt 2200mah battery. The difference will be the watts you get from that 1 amp draw. Watts = amps x voltage.
noelywire 2 months ago
@anorakksche all the tested batteries were fully charged
JonitFR 2 months ago
maybe next time you could point the lights away from your eyes!
heartwork1000 2 months ago
OK, a hobbyking product review with someone paid by hobbyking... great.
SwedishRC 2 months ago
@SwedishRC At least the review is backed with data...
ST3V342 2 months ago
Is that a Techone P-51 in the background?
flyingphoenix113 2 months ago
@flyingphoenix113 yep :)
flitetest 2 months ago
Nice and usefull tests of nice things, keep it up, and keep slapping the Swede :)..... Kim.. Denmark
TheKimnorgaard 2 months ago
Omg stop slaping David! I mean look at his cheeks...
nikerssg 2 months ago
guys i noticed a mistake at the end, it said next time was a nano-tech review :P
tomtom4867 2 months ago
Awesome, great test.
UGGeckos 2 months ago
Which is better turnigy or nano tech?
alexhydea 2 months ago
@alexhydea you mean normal turnigy vs. turnigy nano-tech?
nano-tech is better.
ST3V342 2 months ago
pull the power at 9 volts!!! or 8 LOL
brosius85 2 months ago
can u make a review between the differences of the UMX Beast v1 and the UMX Beast BNF 3D?
mrlectrofox 2 months ago
Haha liteTest love it !
CorbyStarletCj1 2 months ago
Love to see tests. Good job :)
onehouruk 2 months ago
nice video guys, looks a bit like a commercial ;), still the numbers are on the screen, it looks like a good pack- im flying smaler 1300mah nanos on my 64mm EFD´s but i didnt made many testflights yet, so no data on longterm useage. I like that they are also lighter then the standard packs, less weight is allways good. One more think, if HK want to sell these packs so bad, maybe they should put some in the other warehouses too, for example, the german warehouse dont offer nano-tech packs...
WarbirdFan66 2 months ago
The nanotech got down to 7.7v before they noticed -.-
cruddiestcrudever 2 months ago
Rep n' 300 yay! Your show is awsome. Hi from Mexico
arthurrdz 2 months ago
Ya but at least with thunder power you can send it back to customer service and expect them to stand behind there product.
3dfoamies 2 months ago
@3dfoamies if you did have to send the nanotech back it wouldnt matter,
you would still have another one from the money you saved!
TheRattleSnake3145 2 months ago
would be good to see how the batteries survived this massive power drain. its good to have a high c rating, but can they sustain repeated abuse like this? charge em up n do it again
ostidetabarnak 2 months ago
Thats why I dont use this batteries... I use FlightPower batteries....
GNaranjoN 2 months ago
@GNaranjoN then u have been fooled by marketing they all come from the same place you noob
keep on wasting ur money
Art456654 2 months ago
@GNaranjoN Make the same test with FlightPower and post it here.
A friend's got a couple of FP's,they suck (stupid balance connectors too)
I thinkFlightPower is a joke, and you been economically raped.
jodde73 2 months ago
6:25 epic
SuperRcguy 2 months ago
NO! NO! (most epic dont try this at home)
rockyFLYR 2 months ago
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rockyFLYR 2 months ago
litetest lol, great episode guys!
rcsupercarz 2 months ago
thanks guys this just goes to prove your paying for the thunder power name and no performance.
tp is dead to me!!!!
Boot2yourHead 2 months ago
@Boot2yourHead me too and it has bee for a while!
PC9JEFF 2 months ago
@PC9JEFF yea I mainly use turnigy 30c and higher for my planes.
Boot2yourHead 2 months ago
puffy cheeks
arecibo666 2 months ago
Ooops!!! Haha
jory11kehler 2 months ago
Awesome! You guys should do more scratchbuilds and have more behind the scenes and field footage!
mmmbcn 2 months ago
Cool,
Next I want to see the HK Prodesign Gulfstream jet. It would be cool to do something different!
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