I've followed the race debate since the beginning. I came into it knowing nothing, admitting that I knew nothing, with a strong presumption of egalitarianism and, having already concluded that no political prescriptions would follow either way, thinking that the question wasn't very important.
Thus far, I've seen the hereditarians present a case, and the egalitarians arguing against it with almost the exact same post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy and guilt by association as the statheists. -
- I still don't think any political prescriptions follow from either conclusion. Either the coloured man is being kept down to some extent, in which case free market reform becomes even more urgent so as to allow in these disenfranchised people, or the discrepency can be fully accounted for by slight, inborn tendencies, in which case nothing needs to be done about it.
Now, I just want to see the egalitarians man up and argue honestly, so that this matter can be resolved one way or the other.
I know a great many 'right' wing hereditarians in the US.One did eventually become a strict Rothbardian, but most were and continue to be hard core statist dedicated to using government power to wage collectavistic war along racial lines.All these guys are aware of libertarian ideology but they seem to view hereditary groupings as being valid bases for states, even expansive ones.They worry about state abuse from 'others' but explicitly desire state power to further their groups percieved ends
@lengthyounarther True enough, hereditarian thoughts can easily be used to justify a racially collectivist state. But aside from hardcore race nationalists, don't hereditarian-leaning people tend to gravitate towards limited government? After all, when we're not as malleable as previously thought, social engineering kind of loses its appeal.
@Sphair0n relative to run of the mill socialists sure, but the several I know could scarcly even be considered meaningfull minarchists. To them the race is a peer group within which a state is a perfectly acceptable organization, indeed they actually want a police state to use as a club against their enimies. They only see states as bad to the extent that they include people outside their race. At least among the ones I know.
I've followed the race debate since the beginning. I came into it knowing nothing, admitting that I knew nothing, with a strong presumption of egalitarianism and, having already concluded that no political prescriptions would follow either way, thinking that the question wasn't very important.
Thus far, I've seen the hereditarians present a case, and the egalitarians arguing against it with almost the exact same post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy and guilt by association as the statheists. -
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PanzerDivisionBOM 2 months ago
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- I still don't think any political prescriptions follow from either conclusion. Either the coloured man is being kept down to some extent, in which case free market reform becomes even more urgent so as to allow in these disenfranchised people, or the discrepency can be fully accounted for by slight, inborn tendencies, in which case nothing needs to be done about it.
Now, I just want to see the egalitarians man up and argue honestly, so that this matter can be resolved one way or the other.
PanzerDivisionBOM 2 months ago
I know a great many 'right' wing hereditarians in the US.One did eventually become a strict Rothbardian, but most were and continue to be hard core statist dedicated to using government power to wage collectavistic war along racial lines.All these guys are aware of libertarian ideology but they seem to view hereditary groupings as being valid bases for states, even expansive ones.They worry about state abuse from 'others' but explicitly desire state power to further their groups percieved ends
lengthyounarther 2 months ago
@lengthyounarther True enough, hereditarian thoughts can easily be used to justify a racially collectivist state. But aside from hardcore race nationalists, don't hereditarian-leaning people tend to gravitate towards limited government? After all, when we're not as malleable as previously thought, social engineering kind of loses its appeal.
Sphair0n 2 months ago
@Sphair0n relative to run of the mill socialists sure, but the several I know could scarcly even be considered meaningfull minarchists. To them the race is a peer group within which a state is a perfectly acceptable organization, indeed they actually want a police state to use as a club against their enimies. They only see states as bad to the extent that they include people outside their race. At least among the ones I know.
lengthyounarther 2 months ago
LOL, atheistkult school of economics.
Tsicar 2 months ago
interesting. a background which changes would help to retain viewers.
TheJohnVandivier 2 months ago