Ex-military man at health care forum

[eajinabi]

1) Surrender you military (govt) issued health care

2) Explain how you are "defending" your country 5000 miles away and not the borders where real trouble exist <---- thats defending your country

3) Why is the militay over spending never an issue but when it comes to domestic health care, everyone who thought of it must go to hell?

[foxisajoke]

Brave soldier but when he comes hope hes a dumb citizen

[DDannyUSAF]

Thanks for serving brother! At least YOU did your part to uphold the Constitution!

[LChaim2007]

I am deaf and wonder can you put closed caption on vlog so I can read what he said. I am against  Health Care reforms bill.

I am myself chairperson for Tulsa County Democratic Party Preicient 87 and educate deaf community here.

[ShowMeProgress]

I'm sorry, but that would take a good deal of time that I don't have to spare.

[zombiesoiree]

Strange that this guy is so hostile to a gov't-run option, since the armed forces are a govt-run institution. Is the USMC "socialist"?

[ROPdude]

@zombiesoiree Are you really that short-sighted? The fact that you would even ask such a question displays the fact that you don't even know what an American form of government is.

How about a remedial course in history or the constitution?

[zombiesoiree]

@ROP

Are you suggesting that the USMC is run by a private corporation? Or that it should be?

How about you get your head out of your ass? This guy is probably receiving benefits from the GI bill, not to mention having had access to VA health benefits. Well, maybe he was a good patriot and did not accept those benefits because they're SOCIALIST.

When there's a problem, my guess is you'll both be in line with your hands out to Uncle Sam, just like all "small government conservatives."

[connatiah]

Again, I state WE THE PEOPLE are the only ones that should vote on national health care; not the bought off cronies in Washington that is known as Democracy not oligarchy. We spend trillions of dollars fighting endless fruitless wars. It is the peoples turn to receive something for their sacrifices. I mean we gave our jobs away with GATA and NAFTA. We gave our homes away with the Wall street bail out. Looks like someone would figure out its our turn.

[Scanman22]

5 stars! God Bless him! I wish God would rapture all of the evil, greedy, and life-ruining people of government of the planet so we the people could live in peace. Money and control are what these fascists crave. I despise this government and foreign governments aka EU and ultimately the UN.

[ExtremistThatsMe]

ShowMeProgress

If the members of congress and past presidents were tried on the same standards as Bernie Madoff for creating a Ponzi scheme ie. SS as pointed out in 1960 by Barry Goldwater when he tried to reform it in tha senate they would all be in prison. SS is a ponzi scheme of the highest order if you don't believe it look up the definition.

[ShowMeProgress]

This man clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. By the same argument, Social Security and Medicare are both unconstitutional, but this is only the view of extreme libertarians.

[jwgullett]

Don't dismiss 140 years of history. It wasn't until 1940 that SS was deemed to be constitutional & that was only after FDR threatened to pack the supreme court. You'd be wise not to argue with the likes of Madison, Hamilton, and Jefferson... by stating that this man doesn't know what he is talking about you expose your ignorance. I only say these things to encourage to you to check the validity of this man and my claims. "Give me liberty or death," Patrick Henery & current military member

[ShowMeProgress]

Social Security was ruled as constitutional in 1937, the same year people started paying into the system. It couldn't have been ruled constitutional or unconstitutional prior to that era because it didn't exist. Of course, Social Security wasn't the first time Congress or the presidency invoked the General Welfare Clause.

Also, I'm not arguing with Hamilton - Hamilton agrees with me.

[ShowMeProgress]

Trick question - Hamilton didn't write Federalist 47.

The fact that the Supreme Court struck down some early New Deal programs doesn't change the fact they also upheld the Hamiltonian view of the General Welfare provisions in the US Constitution in US vs. Butler. And again, General Welfare has been cited by various Congresses and presidents long before FDR.

[jwgullett]

Federalist 45 (Madison): "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite." My bad... going from memory! Does it make a difference to you that Madison wrote this vs Hamilton, does it make a difference that Hamilton was never president, does any of this history matter to anyone? Yes, it's been done before, but that doesn't mean that it is proper!

[ShowMeProgress]

Who said history doesn't matter? I'm the one correcting a couple of inaccurate statements you made, which was that Hamilton opposed a broader interpretation of the General Welfare provisions, and that he wrote Federalist 47.

Strangely enough, one of the strongest opponents of Hamilton and a broader interpretation of the General Welfare provision, namely Thomas Jefferson, made a general welfare argument in acquiring the Louisiana Purchase.

[jwgullett]

Yes, this is true Hamiltonian and Jeffersonian democracy were at odds. So I was a little off, but the real question remains do you think any of this is constitutional and why? My argument is not predicated on only Hamilton's opinion... plus you are taking his opinions out of context. Hamilton was referring to a national bank not a SS or a HC system. Too much to write, too little space!

[jwgullett]

You know why I replied to this... your initial arrogance: "doesn't know what he's talking about."  The dismissal that he's an "extreme libertarian." Obfuscating and nullifying his statements by addressing two unconstitutional programs, SS and Medicare, that he doesn't mention. I am happy that I am in his company: (i) a proud military member w/ multiple overseas tours, (ii) a strict constructionist, and (iii) fierce defender of liberty. Who are you?

[BlueGirl62KC]

Me? MFA 71, AOC 67B. Dual-service couple the first several years of our marriage, and serving in different branches.

I find when someone trots out their service to appeal to moral authority, they have far grander notions of what it entails than reality lends credence to. Like the supply clerk in the video. He issued gear to soldiers from inside the wire. Since you want to play the moral authority game, did I run into you in Haiti?

Or were you drinking beer in Germany while I was in peril?

[jwgullett]

OIF, OEF, and numerous missions in awesome places too. That's the great thing about evil, it exists in exotic locations and "civilized" locations. How dare you challenge my service? Why do you do this? Can you not challenge the factual basis of my argument? What are these United States to you?

[jwgullett]

so tell me MFA 71 and AOC 67B are the field clinics close to the battle or are they a little way from the FLOT? Do you receive a special pay because your job is so dangerous... I know I do... or maybe you get a pay stipend because you're "in demand." Remember you brought this up.

[Scanman22]

No, but it seems that you want to drink here while our country is turned into a 1930s Nazi Germany! You took an oath to defend our liberties and this admin wants to take as many away as possible. Please tell me you are not so blind to see this galloping tyranny starting to approach dictator mode. Next is full control of media, shuting down free speech if it is against the admin, then finally eliminating the remains of the constitution and total destruction of the bill of rights. Please think!

[BlueGirl62KC]

Strict constructionist, eh? That's nice. But how could the founders have foreseen a need to apply the Constitution to, say, telecom issues. I would also remind you that Jefferson thought it would take 1000 yrs to gobble up the entire continent.

I am of the belief that the Constitution is a living document, fluid and applicable to the times.

So Eisenhower was wrong to build the interstate highways in your view, I take it? (Lets be consistent!)

[jwgullett]

The didn't have foreknowledge about these events, thus they left specific avenues for change (e.g. amendment process and leaving most of the issues to the states).  Your belief that the constitution is a living document does not make it such... in fact, if it were living then why propose an amendment process, that would be utter foolishness. I didn't mention the federal highway system... and no it is not the same concept (don't assume that I am stupid and that I will be inconsistent)!

[Scanman22]

Because the constitution is designed as a general "catch-all" document. It is pretty straight forward. Small government, free private sector, no government interference, and so on...

They were put in place to serve us, but now the last 3 admins, it has been declining so much that we are serving them. This is the final straw in the FALL of OUR REPUBLIC! All the blood shed for our freedom is now becoming to be in vain do to Obama and his Czars illegally tearing away our freedoms and rights!

[BlueGirl62KC]

Aome things are too big for the states. Healthcare has become one of those things. States and families are struggling under the burden. Read up on the Oregon Health Plan - that state had a model plan, but the feds didn't follow through and it failed.

Healthcare is my career, I am not budging off the FACT that hc is a basic human right. Even if my ticket is punched and I will never need to worry abt being wiped out by a disease. I stepped up for the people in this country. All of them. Even u

[jwgullett]

It is not a stated human right... and let us assume that it was, then it would be infringing on my right to personal property, life, liberty, and my pursuit of happiness. Everyone dies and gets sick, someone must pay for it; let those who save and prepare reap the benefits of preparation, let those who do not benefit from the charity and good will of the aforementioned.

[ExtremistThatsMe]

I have never seen so many people willing to turn thier lives over to the government. Most of whom probably never served a day in thier lives but sat home and expected the government to do for them. This is not public insurance it is wellfare plain and simple there are much better ways to fix the problem.

[boss9669]

who is this man????? I hope he runs for political office...and even for president. we need more people who have actually read the constitution and know what it stands for, instead of people in Washington who think they know what's in it. We must return to the constitution if we want to remain a great nation and people.

[yturieow3]

This is how bad things have got on Capitol Hill...ordinary citizens have to school the morons on what is in the Constitution. Then again, they don't bother to read trillion dollar legislation before they vote on it, why should we expect them to read an old document that keeps tying their hands?

[acalmingeffect69]

thank you for your service in the military and standing up for what is right.

[VesusSheist]

This tie makes me an expert on the konstitution.

[the49ersuck]

I was over seas with a rifle YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Better to spend billons on war than on us citizens health. GUNS/WAR/JESUS YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Jimend09]

in my opinion, it doesn't matter what people say they want, its about doing what's best for the country. people do not know what is best for them and it is up to those who do to make the decisions. that is why i support universal healthcare

[jwgullett]

What is best for the country? Throwing away the laws, founding principles, and documents that our country is based upon, or providing health care to 46 million people who can already obtain free care from any hospital? If left in your pragmatic hands, I would fear for the future of the country.

[ShowMeProgress]

Free care in any hospital???

[jwgullett]

Fortunately, a federal law passed in 1986 to prohibit a practice commonly known as "patient dumping" gives you the right to emergency care regardless of your ability to pay. The federal law applies to hospitals that participate in Medicare -- and that includes most hospitals in the United States. This does not include preventative health care... thus the argument: prevent is cheaper than emerg care... welcome to the pragmatic side of the argument (arrogance intended).

[ShowMeProgress]

That's not the same as providing free care anywhere you want.

Besides, your arrogant argument is the opposite of pragmatism. You defend the status quo that is driving up costs for everyone.

[jwgullett]

These are not my arguments, these are the issues. Pragmatism~essentially what works: paying a lot for emergency care or paying a little for prevent medicine. My argument is that the US constitution does not provide for universal health care, but if people want it they must amend the constitution and not sneak it in the back door. Why am I on the defensive? You show me how the constitution allows this!!

[ShowMeProgress]

You're defending a system that drives up the

There's nothing in the Constitution that forbids a universal health care system, just like there's nothing in the Constitution that forbids Medicare, Social Security, and so on. Indeed, Washington proposed setting up a national system of agricultural boards supported by the federal government, and federal assistance to industry, based on the idea that the federal government should be involved in "promoting the General Welfare."

[jwgullett]

Sure there is! That is the whole point of the argument we are having below... those powers not enumerated are delegated to the states. This is an issue for the states and people. The only thing federal about this issues is the failure of the govt to ensure that states are allowing all insurance companies equal access to their home population. There are defined limits to federal power this is the whole basis for revolution and const convention?!

[KaikamahineMaiHawaii]

@ShowMeProgress 9th Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." 10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

[afferch]

90% of American's should know that 90% of poll's and statistic's are 115% B.S. And quiet often are used to support weak argument's. Constitution? what Constitution? Bush trashed that for your security. Remember? Of course not! because it doesn't fit your chickenshit agenda!

[bertotee]

fucking a man!!!

[mxdirector]

yep. i wonder if that soldier was going through the constitution when he was fighting in iraq?

[jwgullett]

As a soldier I can say that I have done this many times to preserve your freedom. Be thankful that someone cares both about your freedom at home (i.e. the maintenance and care of the constitution) and is willing to defend you abroad (i.e. against those who seek to perpetrate large scale terrorist attacks against innocent Americans).

[mxdirector]

i do not mean to offend you but any of the recent wars did nothing to preserve any ones freedoms. To bring up the constitution is the issue here, because during bush's years he did spit all over the constitution.

Also, just because the american constitution says nothing about healthcare, that does not mean that a public option is a bad thing.

[jwgullett]

How can you say that--selfish American!? That is the goal of the Islamist we are fighting: Sharia Law in the US (read some of their demands)! During the Bush years the constitution was certainly stretched, but it was never leaped across as is proposed in HC reform. If you want a public option then amend the constitution. It is bad because it subverts the constitution and subverts my right to the first portion of my income (the same as SS, medicare, etc).

[Simm2Dimm]

Obama ran on a platform of healthcare reform.....he was elected overwellmingly on that platform....therefore it is the will of the majority and that is the essence of democracy.....am i wrong?

[gnirye]

yes

[Simm2Dimm]

why?

[larry267]

Right now the majority does not like the reform he is intruducing all polls show that. We have the best healthcare in the world and it should not be changed. We need healthcare costs reform and his plan is much more than that

[Simm2Dimm]

You can't say the majority does not like it when all polls indicate that as much as 80% of americans are in favour of the public option. If u've seen a different poll please tell me.

[larry267]

Both gallup polls and rammusen polls say a higher % of americans disapprove then approve about 49% to 43% on both polls

[Simm2Dimm]

wat were those polls pertaining too exactly? Because the Wall Street Journal polled 76% of americans as being in favour of the health care plan.

[Simm2Dimm]

well brother, my poll says i'm right and ur poll says ur right....so how do we resolve this impass?.... agree 2 disagree?

[gnirye]

Health care by government =equals=> control by government Stop the government overreaching into our lives !!

[Simm2Dimm]

come on man, dn't let the rumors scare you. It's not "Health care by government"....it's public Health Insurance. There are so many countries much poorer than america who are able to raise there standard of living through public health insurance........why shouldn't americans benefit as well?

[jlcochran]

Because their hospitals aren't overrun by trial lawyers and illegals.

[7514328]

The speech of the century. Should be broadcast across the world.

[gatekeeper7777777]

Here is your change.......... Smells like fascism !

[mnclesunkey]

EXACTLY

[BlueGirl62KC]

One idiot's comment does not speak for the whole movement any more than your comment means all disabled vets are sanctimonious jerks.

Lots of liberals stepped up, too, you know. (Me? MFA 71, AOC 67-B My husband? AFSC 316X2F)

[caaront]

Thank you for your service.

[caaront]

Did I call anybody names, I don't believe I did, but I am a jerk?

[BlueGirl62KC]

If I retract the 'jerk' I have to double up on the 'sanctimonious.' Your call.

And you certainly did tar all liberals with one brush, which really is a behavior commonly exhibited by jerks, although by no means do they hold a monopoly. Bigots and narrow minded assholes also exhibit that trait.

[caaront]

I am a disabled veteran who lives in pain every day so liberals can hate their country and try to run it into the ground. Instead of intelligent discourse they revert to wishing cancer upon someone, yet they want health care for all because they care.

[Chthon128]

You people are all sheep--pathetic, manipulated rats being used by your Conservative pied pipers to kill your children's futures and bequeath their lives to the Rich and Immoral, who will squeeze their wallets til they live like 3rd-world peasants.

You have puffed yourselves up with false pride to think that you're being "Patriotic" and you don't realize that you're being lied to and used.

This is the lowest expression of thuggery and Treason against the American people--a new low point.

[MNegri62188]

Correction "Conservative and Liberal pied pipers. The two party totalitarians (Democrats and Republicans) are both equally responsible for the destruction of our rights and liberties. They do not care about the American people. They are making these laws. (Cap and Trade, Obamacare) so we have to forcefully continue funding their globalization scheme.

[topjimmy72]

i would take it one step further and say it's the "republican and democrats who are led by their controllers in the New World Order" who are intentionally destroying this country so that those behind them can usher in an authoritarian one-world government without much resistance.

[7514328]

Yes. You are right on target. Now I want to see them make one stupid mistake which gives people a legitimate reason to fight for their life and familiy. Its become obvious that this is going to worsen.

[aNumerousState]

You need to apply your own words to yourself, I am being used by no one.

[mnclesunkey]

lied to and used, guess we all are huh?

BTW, not all of us are Conservative....

[ciskogonza]

I served with this asshole in IRAQ, He was frickin supply clerk a total FAG. I Hope YOU GET CANCER, FUCK FACE.

Although Im Pretty sure you wont end up with PTSD.......

[ClutchFan1971]

People are starting to get pissed all over this country.

[indyfly]

Great vid, it's inspiring to see how easy it is to get under their S-P skin.

[jdg10000]

At least Bush was not a loser like Obama, trying to change a wonderful capitalist country in to a liberal socialist country.

[Sweetsallymollassy]

at least bush was a little bitch who had some of the lowest approval ratings and couldnt speak publically without making a total ass of himself!

[ShowMeProgress]

LOL, lookylu59. Excellent point.

[lookylu59]

Does that kid have a taxpayer funded healthcare plan? Just wondering.

[madmos]

I think this kid has a bright future in politics if he chooses to rub elbows with the power hungry brainless obamanots in DC. He could count on my vote for sure!

[Sweetsallymollassy]

Niga fuck ur shit! u repubbiis are the most power hungry dumbshits this country has ever known!

[Jayskrilla1232]

you are a douchebag.

[Sweetsallymollassy]

seriously is that the best ur dukey republican ass can come up with, go suck sarah palins dick bitch!

[Jayskrilla1232]

haok i wasnt going to humiliate your intelligence but you need to get educated,understand that democrats are RACIST RACE BAITERS. they dont care about minorities at all. theywant minority votes for more power (AKA POWER HUNGRY DEMS/LIBS NOT 'REPUBS'). how do they get minority votes?fatten them up on welfare,medi-care, and what ever other public assistance. so now you tell me who's power hungry and who will do what ever it takes?youre backwards racist democratic party!!!

[Jayskrilla1232]

for a 37 year old you are pretty fucking stupid. get your facts straight before you talk shit on something you know nothing about. also that stupid little quote on your page is retarded and further proves that you really need to get more info on government before you go running your mouth on youtube

[Sweetsallymollassy]

ur humiliating my intelligence by telling me a party that votes for a african-american president and actually gives a shit about people that dont have the means to help themselves are power hungry, backwards and racist! Just cus we help people who make less than 200,000 a year dont mean were power hungry it means were good people!

[Jayskrilla1232]

haha see you are so race obsessed its pathetic, i don't care what the president looks like as long as he knows what he is doing, and clearly obama doesn't and his approval rating is nose diving so fast its great that some people are waking up. unless of course you want to stick to your race obsessed idea that he isn't white so he is great then you need to go screw off and learn to accept people for who they are not what they look like

[Sweetsallymollassy]

obamas approval rating is over 50% thats bettter than bushes 1 and a half percent lol! and aprroval ratings dont rate how much progress obamas made it just means a certain 9 percent dislikes his course of actions, and remember their is around a 3% margin of error for this poll. obama is half black half white, that means he is black dumbshit. and i do agree with obamas policies and his course of action as well as aprecitating the fact that he is the first african american president

[sbeltrami1]

Good people?! That is debatable. You are more than likely on welfare or foodstamps which means I am paying for you to have a computer and internet service so that you may spew your liberal views. Like I commented before if you wish to share your views please take an English class. More like a remedial English class. Look up remedial in the dictionary, because I am sure that you are scratching your empty head right now! "Good People", my conservative ass!!!

[Logical602]

Sweetsallymollasy, I know for sure that you're a product of a poor education sysytem for sure.

[Sweetsallymollassy]

and u logical602 are a product of john mccains saggy dick being plunged up ur ass and making u a stuck up little bitch like all the other repubbies! go suck a dick bitch!

[Logical602]

You blow your dad with that mouth?

[Sweetsallymollassy]

eww look at u all clever and shit! too bad im eating ur moms pussy with this mouth and ur using urs too suck ur gay puerto rican boyfriends dick! dont be jealous cus a dickless whiteboi like u cant get any!

[Logical602]

You where molested by your creepy uncle ray-ray wheren't you? So, not are you truley stupid(a product of black america), but you have deep seated self-hate for your homosexual tendencies, that you project on others. Get help. Oh ya, learn grammar and spelling, stupid fuck.

[bill33john]

what are you talking about?

[sbeltrami1]

Typical liberal response. Blah blah blah f*&k a**.  Typical, typical, typical.

[Sweetsallymollassy]

typical conservative response acting like their better than everyone.

[sbeltrami1]

You just need to realize that your typical conservative uses proper grammar. Unlike you who shows their ignorance by using vulgar language. I am sure Obama is very proud!

[WashingtonWatchdog]

Excellent!

Keep up the good work, patriots!

[botdfbmth]

Thank you for defending this country in uniform and continuing to do so!!!! God bless you!!!!