Tiger Woods Golf Swing Through The Years Harmon-Haney-Foley

[danthemansa1]

Haney taught him about parallel planes and to drop his hands straight down from the top of the backswing to hit the inside of the ball. Look at his rehearsal swing now. He's trying to do the opposite because that clearly led to loss of distance and control.

Tiger's coaches keep teaching him rubbish that leads to long term ball striking issues. He wins tournaments with his putter not his long game. Tiger will have a 4th coach in a few years attempting to correct what Foley is doing.

[bgriffon14]

@danthemansa1 The top 20 players in the owgr all maintain some type of flex in there right knee on the way back. Kuchar and Simpson are the closest to completely straightening it, but other then that all of them keep some flex maintained. Are they not considered great ball strikers?

[danthemansa1]

The dumb commentators and media all rave about how quick Tigers hip speed is, but it's not. And he himself has actually been led into beleiving that he has some freakish hips. All people his age can quickly open their hips up. The reason his "hips outrace his upper body" is because of Harmon's maintaining of the right knee flex which restricts his hips too much so they start the downswing ahead of his upper body.

[danthemansa1]

The truth is that Harmon wasn't responsible for the 2000 swing. Tiger came up with the idea and wanted to change his 97 Masters swing himself.

Things Butch taught Tiger:

1) Shake hands with the target. We all know now in today's age how harmful this advice actually is.

2) Keep your right knee flexed on the backswing. I'm willing to bet my life on it that this is why Tiger struggles with the block. Look at Hogan and other great ballstrikers' swings, their right legs straighten to varying degrees.

[bgriffon14]

@danthemansa1 Really, straighten your left leg? If you don't have some bend in your right knee it will cause you to lose balance, and connection. Which leads to a loss off power and accuracy. Have you ever actually tried to golf with a straight right leg? The muscles in your body work in sync much better when they're well connected, which is unattainable when you don't have flex in the knee .You cleary have no understanding of kinesiology or biomechanics with that statement.

[danthemansa1]

@bgriffon14

I said straighten to varying degrees. The right leg should be allowed to do what it naturally wants to do on the backswing. If it wants to straighten a little bit to give more hip rotation on the way back, so be it.

I'm saying a player who purposefully tears his hips open to initiate the downswing should not be purposefully retarding his NATURAL lower body action on his backswing. I'm not saying purposefully straighten the leg, I'm saying let it do what it wants to do.

[theeaglequest]

@danthemansa1 Actually Hogan wrote and spoke about not straightening the right and left leg in the swing. Extension after impact was another thing that Hogan, Snead, Byron and other great ballstrikers spoke about as being very important. I think you are right if someone believes the club head goes down the target line long after impact. But with modern computers anyone can easily see the tremendous extension that all great ball strikers achieve post impact.

[danthemansa1]

If you take a step back and think about it, how could Tiger be benefitting from advice from a bunch of hackers. The only reason they are teachers is because they failed at the game. I truly beleive if Tiger did without a coach and figured it out on his own he would have many more rounds of 14 fairways and 18 greens. The guy has the greatest mental strength of any athlete to ever play sport and a supreme athletic build yet his ballstriking is far from amazing.

[danthemansa1]

I have come to realise after endless hours of research on the golf swing (especially on the old great ball strikers like Knudson and Hogan)and a serious thirst for knowledge that Tiger played great under Harmon and Haney INSPITE of them. I think Foley's use of science makes him the best of the 3 but I still think Tiger would be better without him. Tiger would be in another league if he just practiced for hours on end and figured it out for himself like Hogan did.

1) The stuff Harmon teaches

[theeaglequest]

@danthemansa1 Actually computer models, video analysis of the greatest ballstrikers and modern kinesiology of the golf swing, have shown that the right knee normally holds its flex. On the downswing the flex of the right leg is further increased and a lowering of the body occurs. Now Stack and Tilt has a different approach, I am not saying they are wrong. They just have a new way of trying to swing the club.

[EagleEyeGolfer]

Tiger's swing back in 2000 was almost perfect. His swing plane was inpecable. Thus, the greatest individual year ever for any golfer. I'm a Hogan fan but I have to say Tiger's 2000 season is one for the ages and may never be duplicated. No doubt Tiger's swing was better under Butch.

[theeaglequest]

@EagleEyeGolfer I agree and as a matter fact, Tigers swing in those years was closer to Hogans.

[bobscottjnr]

Even though it looks "funky" compared to earlier years, I think Tiger's current hand path is better. His path is not too inside i.e."stuck"...the clubhead is tracking nicely outside his hands. Consequently, his arms will not to separate from his body in order to sling the clubhead. A little D-plane goes a long way!

[f0cusen]

Tiger needs to get his right arm more in front of his chest like he is doing now. Moving his hands at the top of the dowswing more towards the ball like he was doing with butch, that move flattens the shaft in the beginning then it starts to steepen at the end of downswing, this move and getting rid of his left hip will give him a lot of space in the dowswing.

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[Guitargeiger]

Everyone please remember: WIth Harmon, he hit wonderful positions and played great. The swing was awesome, for his youthful body. Haney gave him the most on plane swing possible and Tiger only was laid off near the end before being dumped; with Haney, he played amazing. As far as Foley is concerned, Tiger isn't there yet! Let him get used to the swing long enough for it to look more fluid. It changes/ improves every week. Bottom line, Woods is the best and he's never had a "bad" swing.

[gone2bch]

I'm sorry dsizemore85 but I will have to strongly disagree. The Foley swing is the most unnatural swing. Regardless of what the s&t book says. Every teaching type has their thoughts on how the swing should be, some more successful or natural than others. To "pick" the club up to the top then turn the body makes it very hard to square the club consistently. The correct positions you mock earlier have worked for tour players and amateurs for decades. Because it DOES square the club at impact. Loo

[Fraserr1992]

There all amazing in different ways, I preferred harmons fluidity and downswing. I liked haneys backswing and I like foleys follow through there all great. Tiger will be back

[BachStrad95]

Haney's positions for the win. He's way too damn upright and close with Foley's swing. That's ridiculous. Harmon's positions were also great, but with Haney, it allowed for him to ease off the knee from the problems he once had. It's just not the same now with Foley. If only he can go back to Hank.

[BILLUPS811]

@BachStrad95 You're right..it's better with Foley. 

[oldschoolnewshit]

@BachStrad95 What are you insane. Haney just had him rounding off his backswing plane. Which has nothing to do with how his knee moves. Tiger's knee has moved the same way his whole career until he had that surgery in 2008. And Tiger started working with Haney in 2004, so obviously Haney didn't help his knee since he had to have acl surgery in 2008. You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Be more humble next time.

[SnaintonGolf]

Awesome player... Rekon hes gonna make a comeback?

[arnollamota]

foley swing sucks, go old men with s&t...

[Astromchaser]

Tiger's swing was best from his 2000-2005 years. He needs to go back to this swing and fire that bum Hank Haney.

[MrLuigiFercotti]

I vote none of the above. I liked his 97 swing the best. A freer action that produce huge SS. Also, his tempo was slower. In reality, the Harmon swing was a refinement of that that swing, under to get rid of the pull he would hit with his short irons. Don't like his Haney or Foley action at all.

[wilsonzt1]

Is it just me or are his hands practically scraping his thighs in the 2010 Foley swing? I don't think I could possibly hit the ball like that.

[ktkl68]

@wilsonzt1 I would shank it

[thelukos]

They all look pretty beautiful to me, although I'm not so keen on the Foley swing

[MegaRama10]

sean Foley's swing is the best its just tigers ehadis somehwere else...hamrons theory is still old school. foley teaches a more compact and simple swing where u sing with ur shoulders and ur arms are stuck to your abdomen so u just have to rotate and the club face will be square and on plane naturally.

[cgasucks]

Harmon's swing is the best...he won 3 majors in 2000 with that swing...it was a pleasure to see again and again..

[ehoofnagle]

I'll take the first swing

[kevskigolf]

the young guys around today, cant wait till we see them going down the back 9 on sunday when tiger has his game face on. 

[kevskigolf]

steeper shoulder turn is definitely the way forward for tiger.

[jwaretini]

It's funny, I've watched tiger on the range hit balls and his swing is completely different to the one we all see on the course. The 'dip' in his swing is hardly noticeable.

I hope the new 'Foley swing' works for him but it just doesn't look like a natural movement.

At least the Harmon and Haney swing kept to the natural movement of the club and body.....

Anyway he's dropped his bag man which doesn't make any sense.....

[dsizemore81]

@jwaretini What are you calling a natural movement? Wins aside, there's no question that his Foley swing in this video is the best of the three. But, as we all know, having a good swing is only a portion of the equation when it comes to playing golf.

[jimmymagicjt]

@dsizemore81

hahahaa, best of the 3! You need to clean your glasses. I was lucky enough to be inside the ropes at the british in 98 and 2000 and it was so different to everyone, even in 98 during the harmon swing change he played beautifully. The recent pga illustrates how bad its all become, he found 20 bunkers in 2 days and water 6 times. A mess best describes him and his swing

[StraightLEFTfromPAC]

@jimmymagicjt WHEN U WATCHED HIM IN 2000, WOULD YOU SAY HE HAD MORE CLUB HEAD SPEED, FLIGHT CONTROL & SWANG MORE AGGRESIVELY?

[danthemansa1]

@dsizemore81 Foley swing the best? you are a retard and shouldn't be allowed to open your mouth. his posture is embarrassing and looks so unnatural he looks like an untaught club golfer. his takeaway is digusting - so inside and shut. the rest of the swing is still mint and one of the best on tour because of his natural talent, but my word that posture and takeaway is going to kill him. i just find it so hard to believe he thinks taking it back like that is going to help him

[dsizemore81]

@danthemansa1 Retard, huh? Stay classy, buddy. Can you explain how he's too inside and shut? Let me guess, you're high on the old "toe up" position in the swing? Toe up when the club is parallel to the ground is not square. Tiger's clubface through the Foley swing in this video is as close to square as it's been in a long time. Just because you're not aware what square is, doesn't make it wrong. Grab the Stack and Tilt book for info on why Tiger's doing what he's doing in the vid.

[Tommyve000]

@danthemansa1 I instead think this will help him for even more consistency, a shorter backswing too! And he is also not anymore diving as with other instructors harmon, haney..

[coryleeper]

All three look really good.... The first two (harmon and Haney) are tested and have many wins. We will see how the foley swing does in the years to come.