NBC still hasn't changed. THEY SUCK!! THEY ARE THE WORST NETWORK IN HISTORY! Last night, they pulled yet another HEIDI- with USF- ND! PATHETIC NETWORK!
At least they had the decency to admit their mess-up. Heck, I doubt most people would stop it in the middle and switch out (as well as call attention to their error during the switch-out) to the right program. Likely, they'd just say, "Screw it, let it run."
Has your Dad moved on from being an MCO? I'm also an MCO too, I've been one for 6 1/2 years with 3 different jobs. When you mess up, it's really bad, I've been there. Luckily, I've either had to play a different because the one I had didn't get there in time, or was recorded so badly.
@noahf67 I'll admit, my most severe mistake was airing 2 wrong infomercials and not realizing it until 4 hours later. Told my supervisor, he was cool with it. But the station owner was not too pleased. I wasn't fired, but I did get a stern memo on how much money I cost the station, and was put on notice if it happened again. Definitely careful from that point on, I became their most valuable employee by the time the station was sold over a year later, but I was laid-off by the new owners.
@LaurenLover81, He didn't move on because he died. But he told me that being a MCO was a very stressful job. I remember he had to fill some time once and showed a old episode Starsky and Hutch,problem was they didn't have the rights to air it anymore. Oops!
@LaurenLover81, Forgot to add he was a MCO for our Nashville,Tennessee ABC affilaite WKRN. Its been owned by General Electric, Knight Ridder and now Young broadcasting I think.
@beckigreen Wow, I'm really sorry that your dad passed on. You're right, MCO is a very stressful job, especially at very, small stations, and those stations where management/ ownership is not consistent, or stations where maintanance is not the best. I aired a talk show once for 1 segment, and had to change to an evergreen show when the current one crapped out. Plus, I also dealt with incompetent MCO's.
@FutureNewsAnchor Evergreen is a generic episode of a program (mainly first-run syndication), used whenever something goes wrong with a current episode of program, for whatever reason. It's used as a last resort back-up when all else fails with current episode feed that's unable to be taken.
@LaurenLover81 Thanks for clearing that up. Several of my local stations have had to air evergreen shows when technical difficulties prevented them from broadcasting their regularly scheduled newscasts. Case in point: On the night of Michael Jackson's death, my local FOX station, WYFX in Youngstown, Ohio had technical problems which caused them to postpone the 10PM news. They aired an episode of "The Simpsons" in its entirety, as well as part of a second one, after a 15-minute commercial break.
@FutureNewsAnchor Sounds like the news never made it to air that night. I've had to air the 1st commercial brk of a newscast before the news even started. Or sometimes the producers asked me to air an extra commercial because they weren't ready.
@LaurenLover81 Or maybe they needed some extra time to prepare the Michael Jackson story, since it broke right as the 6PM news wrapped up on the East Coast.
@FutureNewsAnchor hahahaah it the late 80's or even mid 80's wtov chanel 9 in steubenville ohio used to have wwf wresteling on on ssaturday night or may be even friday night but as a child i remember watching it and something happened maybe a video tape eating problem saw a simular problem with a vcr while it gotten hungry and ate a tape lol they lit a blank black screen air for about 10 mins and then a still frame of theer logo and nbc's logs aired then anounced they cont in part 2
@compwiz878 pt 2 .. and started running an episode of i think was the music show called solid gold comercial free even in its entirety was weird but they have had problems like that many other times so it probly common for tape machines to get hungry or the wrong tape to be played im sure it happens today to with the digital formats . ive heard this happen while listening to local radio stations that play mp3's or wut not and had to revert back to the dj pressing play on the cd player.
It probably went on so long because Master Control wasn't watching what he played. My dad was a master control for our ABC affiliate in Nashville from 75-86 and I went to work with him all the time. I will bet the MC got in trouble though.
@beckigreen I lived in the Nashville area and remember watching WNGE/WKRN through Jr. High & High School. My dad worked for GE, which owned WNGE, so we got to take a tour of the station back in 1980. I got a pic of myself on the news set w/ weatherman Tom Siler that day, and I remember seeing original PM Magazine hosts Meryll Rose & Andy Garmezy too.
Howard Reig sounds pissed more than anything about the error. Even MTV has made errors like this in the past 5 or 6 years. In April 03, MTV aired seg.1 of RW/RR battle of the sexes twice when seg. 3 should've aired. Then in Feb. 06, MTV aired a previous season of RW/RR Inferno 2 for 2 segs, when they finally aired RW/RR Guantlet 2 in seg. 3, their current season at the time. And last May, MTV started THE HILLS 7 minutes late because a movie somehow ran over. After THE HILLS, MTV JIP'd MADE.
I think the programmer over there had probably partied too much at Studio 54 and snorted quite a bit of coke over there as well, it was quite popular at the time, LOL!
I remember watching NBC when they did a special on Bing crosby's death.
At the end the announcer says (loudly) "Wait A Minute" then the NBC "N" comes on and a voice says "This is the NBC Television Network". Johnny Carson was delayed a half hour. Creeped me out the "Wait a Minute". Wonder if anyone has a tape of that ?
@tom01757 I know what you mean. Those announcements used to freak me out as a small child, too! That, and the technical difficulty announcements. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
And if memory serves, the next time the NBC news magazine "Weekend" aired, it opened with a shot of three videotape decks sitting side by side and the announcer intoning, "The following program is being shown in the CORRECT order."
This is classic! The start of NBC becoming a national joke which took years to correct. The only bright spot is Howard Reig, who who does an excellent job informing the viewers of the error.
If I were the announcer, I would have been fired for laughing and saying, "Wow, part 3? How do you make a mistake like that? How many minutes into the movie...17?! REALLY?! Wow! What MORONS! Oh, we're going to start part 2...ok, viewers, on with the REAL part 2 of "Loose Change. Idiots!"
I remember when this aired. Several years later, NBC had another miniseries "Trade Winds" with Efrem Zimbalist Jr. NBC played the first two parts, but neglected to play the third. Never have seen Part 3. I did read the novelization of it.
Wouldn't want to be in BOC when that happened. I can imagine what the morning meeting the next day was like. I always hated hearing comments from the shoulda,woulda, coulda crew the next day.
Stupid network
Jean0987654321 3 months ago
How does a major network make such a huge gaffe? That's just unbelievable!
ElizabethtonStar 4 months ago
technical error? yeah, right....they shouldve just said some idiot put the wrong tape in.....bet that dude or chick was fired ASAP.
TheOusooner56 4 months ago
I loved this mini series in the 70s! Anyone got it on tape & can post it?
thepinktent 5 months ago
A false start on NBC - Five yard penalty, still second down.
1985OldSkool 5 months ago
NBC still hasn't changed. THEY SUCK!! THEY ARE THE WORST NETWORK IN HISTORY! Last night, they pulled yet another HEIDI- with USF- ND! PATHETIC NETWORK!
dsscam 6 months ago
HAHA NBC Fail
Jean0987654321 9 months ago
I had no idea this happened. Interesting.
Teflon65 1 year ago
What if it would have been a porn flick, it would have taken them 17 minutes to figure that out too LOL
xcellant 1 year ago
I wonder if the same person responsible for that gaffe also worked for NBC during the "Heidi Bowl" fiasco?
ebf1957 1 year ago
@ebf1957 I don't know, but RCA, founders of the National Broadcasting Company, were still the owners of that network at that time.
1985OldSkool 5 months ago
@1985OldSkool
Really Crappy Appliance
nomadcowatbk 2 months ago
@ebf1957 True. General Electric did not take over NBC until 1986.
1985OldSkool 2 months ago
Must have been one epic mini-series if it took 17 minutes for just ONE person to notice.
38ddkelly 1 year ago
Coming to NBC: DEAD AIR TUESDAY! Three hours of a black screen! It's sure to win an Emmy!
FutureNewsAnchor 1 year ago 3
Talk about fuck-up!
AlexSpalex1 1 year ago 2
Well, at least they gave the East Coast a sneak preview of what was to come the following night lol! :-D
I take journalism classes, and things like this would make my teachers cringe. At least Howard got through it like a pro.
DownsA530 1 year ago
No drug testing then. lol
kduideo 1 year ago
This isn't any worse than NBC giving Conan O'Brien the Tonight Show by mistake.
collegeman1988 1 year ago
I hadn't heard about this. How funny. Did any one get disciplined for this?
spagandtuna 1 year ago
At least they had the decency to admit their mess-up. Heck, I doubt most people would stop it in the middle and switch out (as well as call attention to their error during the switch-out) to the right program. Likely, they'd just say, "Screw it, let it run."
TackyRackyComixNEO 1 year ago
Ooooooops...
smittykins 1 year ago
Has your Dad moved on from being an MCO? I'm also an MCO too, I've been one for 6 1/2 years with 3 different jobs. When you mess up, it's really bad, I've been there. Luckily, I've either had to play a different because the one I had didn't get there in time, or was recorded so badly.
LaurenLover81 2 years ago
@LaurenLover81 Have endured my modest share of nightmares too,
but in the annals, this is one of the more impressive displays I've ever
seen. Nowadays theyd likely switch over point blank, and the story would unfold
on the local news.
noahf67 1 year ago
@noahf67 I'll admit, my most severe mistake was airing 2 wrong infomercials and not realizing it until 4 hours later. Told my supervisor, he was cool with it. But the station owner was not too pleased. I wasn't fired, but I did get a stern memo on how much money I cost the station, and was put on notice if it happened again. Definitely careful from that point on, I became their most valuable employee by the time the station was sold over a year later, but I was laid-off by the new owners.
LaurenLover81 1 year ago
@LaurenLover81 Sorry to hear it, but true indeed, all it takes is one
wrong move to set you straight for life. Built some powerful reflexes
as the result of just one.
noahf67 1 year ago
@LaurenLover81, He didn't move on because he died. But he told me that being a MCO was a very stressful job. I remember he had to fill some time once and showed a old episode Starsky and Hutch,problem was they didn't have the rights to air it anymore. Oops!
beckigreen 1 year ago
@LaurenLover81, Forgot to add he was a MCO for our Nashville,Tennessee ABC affilaite WKRN. Its been owned by General Electric, Knight Ridder and now Young broadcasting I think.
beckigreen 1 year ago
@beckigreen Wow, see, I would have figured such MC access wouldn't
have been possible if that were the case. Good grief...!
noahf67 1 year ago
@beckigreen Wow, I'm really sorry that your dad passed on. You're right, MCO is a very stressful job, especially at very, small stations, and those stations where management/ ownership is not consistent, or stations where maintanance is not the best. I aired a talk show once for 1 segment, and had to change to an evergreen show when the current one crapped out. Plus, I also dealt with incompetent MCO's.
LaurenLover81 1 year ago
@LaurenLover81 What is an "evergreen" show?
FutureNewsAnchor 1 year ago
@FutureNewsAnchor Evergreen is a generic episode of a program (mainly first-run syndication), used whenever something goes wrong with a current episode of program, for whatever reason. It's used as a last resort back-up when all else fails with current episode feed that's unable to be taken.
LaurenLover81 1 year ago
@LaurenLover81 Thanks for clearing that up. Several of my local stations have had to air evergreen shows when technical difficulties prevented them from broadcasting their regularly scheduled newscasts. Case in point: On the night of Michael Jackson's death, my local FOX station, WYFX in Youngstown, Ohio had technical problems which caused them to postpone the 10PM news. They aired an episode of "The Simpsons" in its entirety, as well as part of a second one, after a 15-minute commercial break.
FutureNewsAnchor 1 year ago
@FutureNewsAnchor Sounds like the news never made it to air that night. I've had to air the 1st commercial brk of a newscast before the news even started. Or sometimes the producers asked me to air an extra commercial because they weren't ready.
LaurenLover81 1 year ago
@LaurenLover81 Or maybe they needed some extra time to prepare the Michael Jackson story, since it broke right as the 6PM news wrapped up on the East Coast.
FutureNewsAnchor 1 year ago
@FutureNewsAnchor hahahaah it the late 80's or even mid 80's wtov chanel 9 in steubenville ohio used to have wwf wresteling on on ssaturday night or may be even friday night but as a child i remember watching it and something happened maybe a video tape eating problem saw a simular problem with a vcr while it gotten hungry and ate a tape lol they lit a blank black screen air for about 10 mins and then a still frame of theer logo and nbc's logs aired then anounced they cont in part 2
compwiz878 6 months ago
@compwiz878 pt 2 .. and started running an episode of i think was the music show called solid gold comercial free even in its entirety was weird but they have had problems like that many other times so it probly common for tape machines to get hungry or the wrong tape to be played im sure it happens today to with the digital formats . ive heard this happen while listening to local radio stations that play mp3's or wut not and had to revert back to the dj pressing play on the cd player.
compwiz878 6 months ago
@compwiz878 pt 3 ive have seen it not long ago on other local tv stations
compwiz878 6 months ago
It probably went on so long because Master Control wasn't watching what he played. My dad was a master control for our ABC affiliate in Nashville from 75-86 and I went to work with him all the time. I will bet the MC got in trouble though.
beckigreen 2 years ago
@beckigreen But is it at all possible that MC had no awareness of program
content, and were simply observing labels and leaders? Was something
mislabeled...?
noahf67 1 year ago
@noahf67< That could be it but I don't think its likely. I never heard my Dad say anything about running something because it was mislabeled.
If it was not a case of being mislabeled I am sure The MCO caught a some Hell for this.
beckigreen 1 year ago
@beckigreen I'm sure there was an NCIS-style inquest about the whole thing
the next morning. And I'm sure things were just a little less automated and
humanly navigated back then.
noahf67 1 year ago
@beckigreen I lived in the Nashville area and remember watching WNGE/WKRN through Jr. High & High School. My dad worked for GE, which owned WNGE, so we got to take a tour of the station back in 1980. I got a pic of myself on the news set w/ weatherman Tom Siler that day, and I remember seeing original PM Magazine hosts Meryll Rose & Andy Garmezy too.
jehobden 1 year ago
@jehobden, Yep GE did own WNGE. Tom Siler was very short and I remember PM magazine too.
beckigreen 1 year ago
Howard Reig sounds pissed more than anything about the error. Even MTV has made errors like this in the past 5 or 6 years. In April 03, MTV aired seg.1 of RW/RR battle of the sexes twice when seg. 3 should've aired. Then in Feb. 06, MTV aired a previous season of RW/RR Inferno 2 for 2 segs, when they finally aired RW/RR Guantlet 2 in seg. 3, their current season at the time. And last May, MTV started THE HILLS 7 minutes late because a movie somehow ran over. After THE HILLS, MTV JIP'd MADE.
LaurenLover81 2 years ago
I think the programmer over there had probably partied too much at Studio 54 and snorted quite a bit of coke over there as well, it was quite popular at the time, LOL!
donjabroni 2 years ago
17 minutes? It took them that long
to figure it out?
mjtheman23 2 years ago
That's late 70s NBC for you...
donjabroni 2 years ago
heh
bigwin06486 2 years ago
Sounds like someone had a "LOOSE SCREW" for playing part 3 of LOOSE CHANGE> could you
imagine something like that happening today on TV? Neither can I!
TheOusooner56 2 years ago
How could they go so long before realizing this mistake? FAIL. lol
excuseyou77 2 years ago
i agree 100%.....what a mistake...i am sure someone got fired for this
TheOusooner56 2 years ago
I betcha the phone lines were SMOKING that night with pissed of execs chopping heads left and right. What an embarrassment!
I once saw a movie on TV that had to be started-over 6 times before they could get it right....but this was in Finland, so what do you expect!?
CineGraphic 2 years ago
stuff like that scares me when i was a child for some reason lol like special announcements and stuff
tom01757 2 years ago 11
I hear ya! Me too! Anytime anything was interrupted, I assumed there was something creepy going on... :D
RevengeCreature 2 years ago
@RevengeCreature
I remember watching NBC when they did a special on Bing crosby's death.
At the end the announcer says (loudly) "Wait A Minute" then the NBC "N" comes on and a voice says "This is the NBC Television Network". Johnny Carson was delayed a half hour. Creeped me out the "Wait a Minute". Wonder if anyone has a tape of that ?
kxx46 1 year ago
@tom01757 I know what you mean. Those announcements used to freak me out as a small child, too! That, and the technical difficulty announcements. Glad to see I'm not the only one.
ElizabethtonStar 1 week ago
And if memory serves, the next time the NBC news magazine "Weekend" aired, it opened with a shot of three videotape decks sitting side by side and the announcer intoning, "The following program is being shown in the CORRECT order."
MrHanMi 2 years ago 2
This is classic! The start of NBC becoming a national joke which took years to correct. The only bright spot is Howard Reig, who who does an excellent job informing the viewers of the error.
someguy23475 3 years ago 6
Wow...17 minutes. From the same network that gave us "Supertrain."
CaptainDevereaux 2 years ago 9
and "Here's Boomer!"
donjabroni 2 years ago
@CaptainDevereaux
Also Pink Lady and Jeff.
ebf1957 1 year ago
I wonder if this was on a film reel or videotape?
visaman 3 years ago 2
LULZ!!!
InfamousShad 3 years ago
In the words of Nelson: HAAAAAAAAA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
iambernig 3 years ago
Yea..this was just par for the course at NBC during that time frame..they couldn't seem to do anything right.
Lakeview312 3 years ago 4
A mistake of "Heidi Bowl" proportions!!!
If I were the announcer, I would have been fired for laughing and saying, "Wow, part 3? How do you make a mistake like that? How many minutes into the movie...17?! REALLY?! Wow! What MORONS! Oh, we're going to start part 2...ok, viewers, on with the REAL part 2 of "Loose Change. Idiots!"
AllisonTheSNLGuru 3 years ago 2
NBC was at a low point in its history for a lot of reasons... this was just one of them.
brithgob 3 years ago 5
I remember when this aired. Several years later, NBC had another miniseries "Trade Winds" with Efrem Zimbalist Jr. NBC played the first two parts, but neglected to play the third. Never have seen Part 3. I did read the novelization of it.
kxx46 3 years ago
Loose Change... HAHAHAHA
jbaker1975 3 years ago
That was Mint! I wonder who was fired over that?!
indianhead66 3 years ago
I wonder if it was the same team responsible for "The Heidi Bowl."
I had to favorite that!
AllisonTheSNLGuru 3 years ago
When was the last time something like this happened? Why did this happen any why did it take them 17 minutes to correct their mistake?
nomadcowatbk 3 years ago
Did they have to delay the late news? When football games run late, they delay the entire Sunday night schedule
nomadcowatbk 3 years ago
Everything delayed 17 minutes late on the east coast and into Mountain zones, west coast was able to delay on time.
tvrewind 3 years ago
We already had something similar not too long ago: CTV in Canada ran the wrong episode of "Grey's Anatomy" instead of its season premiere!
johnnyafairbanks 3 years ago
The announcer mentioning that this was the wrong segment, was legendary staff announcer Howard Reig.
wmbrown6 3 years ago
He sounds as if he was trying mightily not to laugh... what a pro.
Just think -- without booth announcers, now they'd simply dump Part 3 and start Part 2 without even telling us what was happening.
tkaye2 3 years ago
Wouldn't want to be in BOC when that happened. I can imagine what the morning meeting the next day was like. I always hated hearing comments from the shoulda,woulda, coulda crew the next day.
tvnetdude 3 years ago