David Oliver beats Liu Xiang in Prefountaine - from Universal Sports

[503zzach]

OOh shit! David Oliver is so sexy... Mmm.

[Megablaze9292]

All my national backgrounds are here; American, British and Chinese

ABC USA

[ivanskybomb]

liu xiang is my man, i will still cheer for him

[TheRonny305]

The cuban guy holds the WR...dayron robles

[iluve2run]

David Oliver is so fucking sexy

[steve201314]

he knocked down hurdles though.

[xchubbyxwubbyx]

its not fair liu xiang is fucken tall -_-

[AlmondBaller]

Dwight Howard does the Hurdles now?!?!?

[NCXify]

david looks like a bodybuilder

[broadjumper1]

CRUSH the Chinese...everyone knows the world's greatest hurdlers are AMERICAN!

[winmlk]

@broadjumper1 if you don't respect other people, no one will respect you

[broadjumper1]

@winmlk - Dude, this is Youtube. Your respect means nothing.

[patsfancc]

@FreezeStyle8 please. oliver races in short shorts. and he just beat xiang. and xiang did that, what, 7 years ago? that means a lot for how good they are currently. Oliver wasn't even a pro then. if you want to take robles, fine, but xiang is not better than oliver right now. the last time xiang went sub 13 was 2007.

smartass.

[FreezeStyle8]

@patsfancc

Fine, you want current. Liu Xiang beat Oliver was Mat 15th 2011. Not 7 years ago.

smartass.

[patsfancc]

@FreezeStyle8

im sorry who won at prefontaine? just wondering. its not as black and white as you think it is. You really cannot argue at all that xiang is flat out better then oliver right now.

[FreezeStyle8]

@patsfancc "right now"

Notice that my comment made to broadjumper is about his term "worlds greatest"

Which is false. This meet. David.

But (but) again, his comment was talking about the general hurdlers, which is false for Americans.

I replied that Liu Xiang has a faster P.R

And even at that, Robles is faster than all three.

So Cubans are actually the greatest.

[patsfancc]

@FreezeStyle8 so then shouldnt you compare the hurdlers from each nation? not just three individuals?

[FreezeStyle8]

@patsfancc

Sure, or you can take your best one vs their best one, etc.

Anyways, both you and I, and everyone who want to argue will be wrong in some way.

Because we will know who is the real champ at worlds.

And at the Olympics.

I'll check back in with you all in a bit.

[patsfancc]

@FreezeStyle8 agreed. glad that debate became more civilized. apologies for the harsh words.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - "But again, his comment was talking about the general hurdlers, which is false for Americans."

Really? it's FALSE?

Americans have won 19 of the 27 Gold medals in Olympic history (70%) & 55 of the 81 total medals (68%).

America has produced 50 of the world's 107 fastest hurdlers in history (47%) including 7 of the top 10.

America has EIGHT hurdlers under 13.00! The rest of the world just four.

American have ranked #1 in the world 49 times out of 64 times (77%).

DOMINATION!

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Hey.

Who holds the world record?

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - Clowns like you amuse me. You seem to believe that past performances can be mailed in as place holders for races being run today. Lemme tell ya sumthin, they gotta prove it on the track right NOW and what Liu Xiang or Dayron Robles did years ago really don't mean jack. If they think it does, great. Let 'em sit back an look at their medals and let the BEST race for Gold.

BTW, aren't you the same moron who claimed the 110H WR holder is Jamaican?

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Clowns like you amuse me too.

" If they think it does, great. Let 'em sit back an look at their medals and let the BEST race for Gold"

I'm not there manager, i'm not Liu Xiang, or whoever the fuck.

Lemme tell ya sumthin, scoreboard.

Who is the world record holder.

Yes, I am the same moron that got boom roasted.

My mistake.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - That's RIGHT, scoreboard sucker. Oliver put up the score on Liu Xiang's ASS! The WR don't mean much come race day, unless you've JUST set it ...ya gotta PROVE it every time out. When someone else steps up and starts running multiple sub13s again, then I'll say there's competition for the title of world's greatest hurdler and Liu Xiang and Dayron Robles haven't proved their ready to do that.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Actually Robles is still the winner here..... until either one of them surpasses 12.87.

And Dayron (not really Liu Xiang) has already proved that he is the current best.

Times don't lie. At 12.87, he is the best.

Also, i'm not denying the fact in THIS video, Liu Xiang lost.

Like I said to the other dude, you and I are both going to be wrong in some way.

So i'll check back in with you after worlds, and bigger. After the Olympics.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - You still don't get it, but that's hardly surprising. While a WR is great accomplishment, it in no way guarantees future performance and they sure as hell don't mean the holder will be the dominant figure in event in the future. All they mean is that one day the athlete turned in the best performance in the event's history one day. That doesn't mean the time will be reproduced in every race.

Americans DOMINATE hurdling, Liu Xiang & Dayron Robles are just outliers.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

You still don't get it, but its not surprising because I don't know who the hell you are.

You are right, Americans DOMINATE the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th places.

But guess what. You ain't number 1 in the world.

Its like. Do you want 1 gold medal.

or 2 silver medals.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - Not only are naive, you don't have clue what you're talking about. I never claimed to be #1 in the world. It doesn't matter if you know me, what matters is that you refuse to acknowledge the fact that Americans have:

- Won more Olympic and WC gold medals and most medals overall

- Ranked #1 in the world

- Had more athletes rank in the top 10

- Set more world records

- First to break 15.0, 14.0 and 13.0

- Had more under 13.00

Than all other nations combined. That's DOMINANCE.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Actually, when I mean "you" I mean "Americans".

And am firm on the point of.

World Record. = #1.

So.

For me.

To see Dayron Robles at the 12.87.

He is number 1.

Simple.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - Guess what? Just because someone holds the WR does not make them #1 until that WR is surpassed. It simply means they're the WR holder.

Right now David Oliver is the best 110 hurdler in the world.

If you can't grasp this fact then you're right, you ARE SIMPLE.

[PoliticalMastermind0]

@broadjumper1 greatest hurdler of all-time, Allen Johnson. Just saying. The man's like 40 and can still throw down a sub 13 time.

[broadjumper1]

@PoliticalMastermind0 - Love AJ, was one of my favorites, but I think sub-13's are thing of his past. Actually my favorite hurdlers of all-time are:

1) The GREAT Renaldo Nehemiah. First under 13.00, 12.93 WR Would have won 1980 OG and if professionals had been allowed in track, might have one a couple gold medals.

and

2) Roger Kingdom - 2 consecutive OG gold medals and a WR 12.92

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

I'm glad you see it in my terms of making someone #1.

For now, its Dayron. Will be be forever the record holder, most likely not.

But till then, he is #1.

If you can't see that i'm saying that I stand by my W.R time, well thats too bad. And it makes you ignorant.

Because I can see where you are coming from.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - Kid, you are exceeding dumb. World Records are simply snapshots in time. Yes, they are great accomplishments, but they are not proof of who's the best in an event TODAY. I can see what "you're standing by", but that doesn't mean your position is defensible and failure to see this makes you beyond ignorant.

And my original comment still stands: America produces the world greatest hurdlers - DOMINATION. That doesn't mean we win all the time, but the vast majority of the time.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Old man (I actually don't know if you are old or whatever)

So you are saying.

IF (if) Oliver breaks the W.R at 12.85.

And 5 years later in 2016, he is STILL the record holder and STILL running in meets. Yet he comes in second place to some new kid on the block. Does that make him #2? I mean, he still has the World record holder, thus he is still the best TO-Date.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - And this 'old man' would wear your punk ass out, skippy. No way you could keep up.

No, that makes HIM the WR holder, not the #1 hurdler. You just don't seem to grasp a simple fact that records don't guarantee future success. The best is determined on the TRACK, with each race over the length of a season.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - Here's something I know you've never considered:

Dayron Robles' WR 12.87 (0.9 wind) - Wind/Altitude corrected time = 12.95

Liu Xiang's WR 12.88 (1.1 wind) - Wind/Altitude corrected time = 12.99

David Oliver's AR 12.89 (0.5 wind) - Wind/Altitude corrected time = 12.93

When all conditions are equalized, Oliver's actually the FASTEST of the three. But undoubtedly you'll dismiss it.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Oooo interesting.

Can I get a link?

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8

myweb. lmu. edu/jmureika/track/wind/index. html

You'll need to know:

- Time

- Wind speed (+/-)

- Site or altitude, but to make it easier:

Robles race was in Ostrava which is 220m above sea level

Liu Xiang's was in Lausanne SWI, which is 600m above sea level

Oliver's was in Paris, 60m above sea level

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

This is for the 100...

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - Dude, you really ARE a brick, aren't you? The mathematics are the same. Anything to avoid accepting the facts. It's not taking into account the distance, but the race being run on a straight-aways, a curve or two curves. Forget it, just remain dense...

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

110 meter hurdles?

The 100?

It doesn't match. (thats what I thought)

I have never used one, so I asked. I'm not avoiding the facts. Like I said, I'm not even their manager. I'm a fan of all three hurdlers, chill.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - *sigh*....I know the 100/110 don't match in distance, that's NOT how this tool works. What it does is take a performance that has BEEN RUN and adjust it to what the same performance would have been without wind (0.0) and at sea-level. The only other factor is straight-away (100/110), turn (200) or two turns (400) because there are difference in how the wind affects those races...I hope that's clear.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

*sigh* yes its clear, I've been messing around with it.

All and all.

We shall see what Liu Xiang, David Oliver, and Dayron Robles will bring to the table.

(Or maybe an underdog comes out of no where)

[PoliticalMastermind0]

@FreezeStyle8 Bro, I understand you like Dayron Robles but you have to understand that neither him or Liu Xiang hold the world leading time. So until one of them breaks 13 seconds neither of them can be considered the best hurdler on the track. Oliver beat Robles and Xiang indoors. Just because you've set the WR doesn't make you the best in the world. ^I think Allen Johnson is the best hurdler to step on the track. The guys 40 yrs old and still an incredible athlete throwing down sub 13 times!

[FreezeStyle8]

@PoliticalMastermind0

Oh, I think Allen Johnson is awesome.

But he isn't the best. I mean, with all due respect.

I'm just saying.

W.R = Best.

So if you ain't the W.R, you simply ain't the best, You are 2nd to best.

I am a huge fan of Liu Xiang. But I can't say he is the best. =)

[PoliticalMastermind0]

@PoliticalMastermind0 Okay well it really depends how you define best. Best in terms of times this year?medals or races won? fastest time in history? technique? Good-looks? I mean i could go on and on but for me I think David Oliver is the best because no one has been able to challenge his 12.94. We can't bet that Robles is going to win just because of his W.R. Months have gone by since that race, since then though, David Oliver has beaten Robles indoors and has the World Leading time outdoors.

[FreezeStyle8]

@PoliticalMastermind0

Just time.

Because time doesn't lie.

But like I said, i'll be wrong, everyone will be wrong in some way so we just gotta sit back and watch Worlds and the olypmics.

[PoliticalMastermind0]

@FreezeStyle8 And that's where we disagree(on the definition) and I believe the athletes don't see it from your point of view either. If you watch Dayron's and Oliver's 2010 interview where they rate 5 other hurdles over them as the best hurdlers ever. It's on youtube haha Winning Olympic Medals and World Championships trump being the world record holder and Dayron Robles is humble enough to say that. You'd know that if you were more in touch with the sport of track and athletes opinions.

[FreezeStyle8]

@PoliticalMastermind0

"Winning Olympic Medals and World Championships trump being the world record holder "

Liu Xiang - Gold

Dayron Robles - Gold

David Oliver - Bronze

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - And all that means is that up to THIS point in time, they had more successful careers. Oliver has supplanted both of them as the best in the world since 2010.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Right, thats what i'm saying. To THIS point in time.

So today 06/08/11 Dayron has ran the fastest time known to man 12.87

If the record holds till 2056, and its still at 12.87 and Dayron would be the fastest man to THAT time.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - And in saying that, YOU WOULD BE WRONG. Why? because Robles hasn't come close to that in years while OLiver has run six races under 13.00.

What Robles is, is the hurdler who's recorded the fastest time ever, that doesn't mean he's the best hurdler today. Why pinheads like you get caught up in records is amusing...and very short sighted.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Haha dude, i'm not saying if its David, Dayron, Liu. It could even be YOU. I don't know the person.

All i'm saying is the world record holder, remains the best.

Sure, just because you have the fastest seed time doesn't make you the best. You have to bring it every single time. But he is still the fastest man. Ever. (In terms of speaking of the w.r)

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - And all I'm saying is that attitude is naive and ignorant. The WR remains the best SINGLE performance, not necessarily the greatest athlete OR best currently.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Again, that attitude is naive and ignorant.

Hmmm, well first off. I'm not Dayron Robles, I'm not Liu Xiang, and clearly i'm not David Oliver.

But, I do run track, and thats my attitude I use to train.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - Yeah, you and about a couple billion other people myself included run/have run. But you'll never get it, why bother trying to talk sense to someone who clearly won't listen? An athlete is only as good as his last race, he's got to prove himself every time out, not rest on past laurels. That's WHY they compete.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Oh, i'm listening, i've been replying back.

Where did you run? I can find your bio somewhere?

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - I ran in college over more than two decades ago, they don't post athlete bios from before the internet's existence. I ran at Arizona State.

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Thats neat, I'm in the same division as your old school.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - Pac 10? What school?

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

UW

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - A Husky...I might have known....

Nah, just kidding. Pullman is nice, I have many friends in Washington State, just too cold and wet for my tastes. What can you expect for a desert school attendee?

[FreezeStyle8]

@broadjumper1

Haha did you just put Husky and Pullman together??

Seattle is University of Washington.

Pullman is Washington State.

(Awesome hurdlers all around)

And speaking of hurdles.

Pac 10 this year was tough.

(Way better than last year)....

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - Yeah, brain fade. I did mean Seattle, not Pullman. Just be glad I didn't call you a Cougar. You can respond by asking me about Tucson and the Wildcats....

Yep, Pac-10 had a great conference meet. I saw it this year while visiting.

[broadjumper1]

@FreezeStyle8 - "Just time."

That's utter ignorance. There have been scores of WRs set where the athlete NEVER approached the performance level again, yet in your simplistic mind, that athlete is STILL the best until the record is broken. Once again, a record can't be used like a placeholder. That's why they compete in the first place. You don't have to admit or like it, but in your heart you know I'm right.

[DraconicVisage]

@FreezeStyle8

Stfu hes cuban not jaimaican u dumb piece of sh1t

b00m r06st3d biatch

[jadorecx]

go liu xiang!!

[byakuyakuchiki7]

xiang's comin back!!

[hobo1256]

I think Oliver has one of my babies in his shoulders.

[02assist]

Nice comeback

[invincaspartan]

Jesus look at his freaking sholders, and dang that white guy almost won =(

[PoliticalMastermind0]

@invincaspartan He's asian, GOTDAMMIT!

[donchaaaa]

@invincaspartan hes asian lol.....

[FreezeStyle8]

David Oliver Vs Liu Xiang Vs Dayron Robles

Going to be hot shit.

[02assist]

@FreezeStyle8 hells yeah

[xcrunner000]

@FreezeStyle8 For sure I just hope they stay healthy all the way to the world championship final

[boxerthecuc]

@FreezeStyle8 Worth mentioning that all three of them have pretty much mastered the 7-step approach. Perhaps future hurdles can learn something from this...