OK I'll ask the question... Is this just a big trick on us? He told us all these people are not dupes or actors... but why should we believe that? He could easily be telling a lie... and the real trick is us believing that original lie and all these people are really that stupid... which ain't so far fetched...
@batfly Watch "Enigma" on youtube by Derren Brown. He picks his subjects by throwing frisbees randomly into the audience. Pretty convincing that he doesn't use any plants.
I cannot help but be skeptical of Derren himself. While I don't doubt that people can be fooled in such a way, here's an inherent problem... if he CAN trick these people... he can trick us :P
I'm not saying he is, but some of what he does seems to be too much for me to accept. I'll reserve judgement, but I do know that people can are highly suggestible in the right hands.
Either way though, entertaining, and whether he's faking or not, the point is still made.
Ridiculous, too easy, he didnt even do anything this time. As I said before, actors, camera cuts, fraud. The trick is on you to believe what your seeing is legit.
Lol, K sure. Every stage hypnotist ever hires a dozen different actors every night and psychologists and cognitive neuroscientists are all in on it too.
Hypnosis totally isn't an actual thing. The brain runs in one mode at all times.
I'm kinda loving that one girl that stood up and kinda looked at everybody a little bit baffled by the fact that she didn't feel anything. Whoever you are, you are awesome.
Many, many years ago a friend of mine talked me into attending an EST seminar which ran over the course of 2 or 3 weekends. I witnessed some amazing demonstrations of, I guess I'll call it, powers of persuasion which frankly terrified me. The potential for the abuse of this power was easy to appreciate. By the end of the seminar I had the impression that the majority of the attendees (about 300 total) were in the palms of the hands of the "instructors". It spooked the heck out of me.
shit man, I hope someone never converts me and then doesn't unconvert me. NOW I'M SCARED..............
I wonder how ANYONE in today's world could believe a machine with a light can catch dreams. I mean, this woman is more stupid than a stone. Sometimes, being a fellow human being makes one hang their head and bite their upper lip.
So many people still justifying their own religious beliefs. This shows, if you are willing to look, that all a belief is, is an explanation for an experience. These people clearly experienced something. But that is life. Life is full of experiences. To then turn around and say that therefore god is real is to lose touch with reality. Its just an explanation. A belief. Have the experience. Enjoy the experience. But leave god out of it.
i love watching derren browns tricks. but even though i know how to theoretically do them. they are so damn hard to reenact. is any one else trying to do them?
I don't understand why those people are so easily hypnotized, but I don't get hypnotized listening to it ? Is it because I know what he is doing ? Does anybody know ?
I don't get it. All this shows is hypnotism works. We all know that. It doesn't show me that religion is false, like the people here seem to be implying.
@HecklerBoy7 Derren is just showing that many people get converted to religion over something that is just a psychological trick; not a genuine religious experience.
@maxpainfu1 Yes surely many do, just as many people believe many other things because of psychological tricks. Don't we all know this by now? I daresay most people, who've had no coercion of whatever sort, get converted for fear of death. All this is neat and awesome, but it seems like a red herring. By the same token, he can hypnotize a person to get deconverted, or to believe in whatever he wants. Hypnosis works, we all know that. It's just funny how the ppl here over analyze it so much.
The power of the human mind, how easily it can be influenced, its predispotion to accept things that are fanciful, to embrace emotion and bias rather than logic. Humans are gullible creatures, yet so staunch in some of the worst things. Our nature is appalling, fascinating, beautiful, oppressive. How do stars, giant balls of burning gases, black holes, unmotivated forces of nature, compare to the majesty and intricacies of the mind? Why do we look at mountains in awe, yet discard our own psyche?
Its hard to really buy everyone falling into the chairs at the same time and what not.. I dont care if my feet are together my eyes closed, or everything else closed for that matter.. I wouldn't be falling straight back into an unrestrained chair in the middle of the floor haha
Amazing - that some, after seeing how easy it is to be fooled, cling still to the idea that there are also 'genuine' conversions/ psychic powers etc....
Isn't it time we all grew up? Face up to the reality of being an animal that simply lives and die. Rejoice in your existence and enjoy every moment - but instead of looking to magic to fill 'the scary void of death' - get educated instead. You will find it liberating.
Bravo Derren - but watch your back. People will hate you for this.
@elgar104 I'd rather be one of the few who shares the opinion I think is the wisest. I do not want people to get out of their religion and beliefs, they would be harder to manipulate.
Would have been interesting to see the "deconversion" . . . wonder if he just told them it was suggestion, etc. or how he got out of that. Brilliant experiment though! I grew up next door to a church that did this sort of thing . . . they called it "being slain in the Spirit", they also took a trip to see an evangelist named Benny Hinn who was much better at it. Derren gets same results as him without as much strong showmanship, Derren much more understated, very impressed.
i felt so much relieved after i read that they were 'deconverted' lol....i know he wouldnt have left them like that....but just the thought that a bunch of fellow rationalists would go back to stupidity was spine chillingly scary lol....
I find these videos to be very sad. Yes...it DOES show how easily we can fool ourselves. And it shows that there definetely CAN be "false conversions". BUT, the danger in Mr. Brown's message is in thinking that ALL religious belief is false.
@artdanks i was in a class called Qi Gong and a professor madea few kids fal like this, then when I went up, I didn't move, he said it was because my Qi wasn't high enuogh, later I called him and told him I cannot make it to calss because I went ot the airport, he told me he already knew this...he kinda reminds me of derren brown. If you want to believe this, then you already will, but try to put him in the same room as a reasonable human being...or a man of true Faith, these people are not.
I've had a near death experience, I had many really touching and frightening experiences, but once I became rational, and understanding that it was my brain playing tricks with me, I was easy to become immune from most of this sort of illusion.
"I've had a near death experience, I had many really touching and frightening experiences, but once I became rational, and understanding that it was my brain playing tricks with me"
Did you experience clinical death? And how did you become rational?
I did this with the video (feet together, eyes closed, chair behind to catch me). Within a few seconds, I was swaying and could feel myself starting to lose my balance. Derren specifically says to focus on the chest, shoulders, and face, to feel a pressure. So then I feel like falling backward.
All power of suggestion and physics. Having already seen this video, however, I can't say I was completely unbiased. That being said, I can easily see how this could "convert" people.
@Fastblade113 Hypnosis typically involves an introduction to the procedure during which the subject is told that suggestions for imaginative experiences will be presented. The hypnotic induction is an extended initial suggestion for using one’s imagination, and may contain further elaborations of the introduction. A hypnotic procedure is used to encourage and evaluate responses to suggestions.
It's weird that no one demanded actual evidence. Being hypnotised by Derren Brown is not reason enough to believe in god, and so I'm not sure it's possible to be honest and say that you do believe in god simply because of that. Unless you simply don't think things through in your life, which I suppose is a possibility.
Everything that has happened in someone's life is usually the person's fault, stop blaming God, or the Devil.. Perhaps someone was acting nervous around a dominant aggressive type and gets attacked by this type.. Because this person the nervous one emotions are pick up on by the aggressive person.. This is how life works.. It's called psychology or you can call it the survival of the fittest..
For the exact same reason, police officers are prohibited to ask questions in an interrogation such as 'Was the car that you saw, red?" they will be much more likely to reply yes because of the suggestion. They have to ask 'what colour was the car?' - This being said, they were simply hypnotized and the Kingdom of God is not to trick, God gives free will!
@blackplatypus in that verse God sends them delusion AFTER they had already made up their mind about taking pleasure in unrighteousness. God hardened pharoahs heart, he still allowed free will. If pharoah had righteousness in his heart he would have let his slaves go like God told him to do. God hardened his heart AFTER he said no 8 times, Thus, God hardening his heart to bring judgement
"God sends them delusion AFTER they had already made up their mind about taking pleasure in unrighteousness."
how is that relevant to the issue of whether or not god "tricks" people? The god character clearly does...
"God hardened his heart AFTER he said no 8 times"
Exodus 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh ... but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
It is indeed like talking to a wall. I am well aware that you are unlikely to respond to reason regardless of how much I show your god admitting to tricking people or show your god clearly stating that he plans to violate "free will".
I'm not for a second under the impression that if I show your god admitting to creating evil (see Isaiah 45:7) that you'll say "I get it, this stuff doesn't make sense and there's no reason to believe it"
"God brought instintaneous judgement before the new covenant. "
Erm... 2 Thessalonians is new testament.
"Once again, you are taking the bible out of context"
I'm taking the bible out of context? You are the one who claimed that "God hardened his heart AFTER he said no 8 times" So I had to provide the relevant context that the god character had planned to do this beforehand anyway.
You can hardly just claim I'm taking the bible out of context and not provide the appropriate one.
according to Carm.org (a christian apologetics website) the Hebrew word for evil, "rah," is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs 663 times. 431 times it is translated as "evil." The other 232 times it is translated as "wicked," "bad," "hurt," "harm," "ill," "sorrow," "mischief," "displeased," "adversity," "affliction," "trouble," "calamity," "grievous," "misery," and "trouble."
Do you admit that your god (given that it is totally not fictional) is responsible for Evil/harm/ill/affliction/calamity/misery/trouble?
Do you admit that to imply that the god character only decided to violate "free will" AFTER pharaoh had refused to free the jews (even if he had, so?) is taking the bible out of context?
Do you admit that the god character intentionally deceives people with the intention of causing them harm?
@blackplatypus Pharoah still had free will, it was just more difficult. Yes, he creates calamity and trouble for those who deserve it. It's also called you reap what you sow. Your sins shall find you out. If you kill someone or rob someone you are going to live in paranoia untill you get caught, understand? God cannot torture people by himself it defies the definition of God, but he will allow you to torture yourself if that's what you choose. You are actually passing judgement on to God, gl.
"Pharoah still had free will, it was just more difficult."
where does it say that? now, you're inventing parts of the story that aren't there. And you never actually addressed whether to say that god only decided to it it after the 8th time was taking it out of context.
"f you kill someone or rob someone you are going to live in paranoia untill you get caught, understand?"
unless god tells you to kill or rob someone of course?
Do you really expect me to do anything other than facepalm at that cop out? What you're saying god totally doesn't intend for people to go to hell and he just hasn't gotten around to rectifying that?
"You don't need to judge to see "God's Holiness"
ok, disregarding that "holy" is a completely meaningless word, that sentence is completely absurd. You just asserted that axiomatically.
you don't need to judge to see that fairies taste like pancakes
not at all, a straw man is when I attack a position you don't hold. I was explaining why asserting things axiomatically without justifying them is stupid.
@blackplatypus Once again, you are taking the bible out of context. You have to understand the greek terminology before you start making claims. Evil - greek work rah. Maybe you should look that up.
@blackplatypus definetely a debate I've had before, I'm kind of on your side with this one... Why would it matter whether it's after 8 times or not???? The fact is that God still prevented him from making his own choice...
He told them what they were feeling, just like a placebo - just like when you give somebody a sugar pill and tell them it's a cure for their sickness, they will feel better. This is just hypnotism. Since they are told what they are feeling, they feel it - That's not how it is with the power of God, he cheated. He should have ASKED them what they were feeling without telling them what they were supposed to feel.
Notice how he got them to close their eyes, meditate on his voice, then he TOLD THEM what they were feeling - that's called hypnotism. When the power of God comes upon somebody they aren't told what they are feeling, the just simply notice the power of Christ. When someone is filled with the power of the spirit they aren't looking for the presence it's just there
Let me ask you this. Has there ever been any person who converted to Christianity without any contact to any church or christian in their life whatsoever. For example did any native americans convert to christianity prior to columbus sailing to america? If not then why is it that not a single native american in 1500 since Jesus ever noticed the power of Christ? It is because it is all suggested, whether you like it or not, conversions are just forms of hypnosis.
@TheSkeptitcherRebbe Jesus himself visits people, how do you think people began to believe in the first place? People believe what they believe when the evidence for either side outweighs the other. We are a partnership with Jesus, we are to SPREAD the news. Everything anyone has ever learned has been taught, a man can only do what he sees his father do.
Exactly. So saying that people come to belief in Jesus without the power of suggestion in total BS. The same goes with any religion. Truth is universal, which is why similar scientific truths have been developed around the world by individuals who are unaffiliated with each other. The whole reason we know Christianity is totally bogus is that you will never have someone come up with Christian theology independant of a teacher or a parent.
@TheSkeptitcherRebbe I have personally talked with many people who came to Christ from islam via a real encounter with Jesus himself. Even if Jesus himself was to say 'Turn to me' you would consider that suggestion. When Jesus Christ was on earth, he was not taught about Christ, he just knew the truth, and the truth reunites with itself. Adam and Eve weren't told about Christ, Moses, Noah, Elijah, Elisha, Paul. Everybody searches for Christ their whole life, butmanydon't knowwhattheyaresearchin4
@Fastblade113 And I have personally met many people who came to Buddhism, Atheism, Judaism from Christianity as well. But again let me emphasize that the move from Islam, Judaism, any religion or even atheism to Christianity is only because someone told them about Christian theology. Hence it is entirely possible that your friends who became Christian did so since they were in a highly emotional state and were converted through the power of suggestion rather than the imaginary power of Jesus.
@TheSkeptitcherRebbe I have a few questions.. About what percent of all possible knowledge do you think man possesses? Maybe 1% of all knowledge at most? And of that knowledge how much do you personally possess? Maybe .1% at most? That is a very small fraction of knowledge. Do you think it's possible that somewhere outside or incredibly limited knowledge it's possible for something to exist?
Derren's point, wether he realizes it or not, here is that we are all under a form hypnosis. I assume he knows this. It's brought about by the world that we live in. School, church, clubs, universties, families, friends, political circles, groups influence through pressure, all of these things that make up the world we live in and caste us in a hypnotic state. That's how we become susceptible to suggestion.
And he didn't convert anyone to "Christianity", he persuaded them to believe in 'God' and talked about 'a spirit' moving inside them. NOT the 'Holy Spirit' which Christians believe in.
@JonahTorn thats cool, well i read your comment about him not understanding Christianity and that's definetely possible. He might have just been trying to shed doubt on the charismatic movement..
I used to go to Baylor University in Waco Texas and I was raised in a Christian household but I developed some doubts which I expressed to a friend of mine down there who went to a charismatic church and in response he told me that if I wanted he could help me feel God right there and asked if I.. tbc
@JonahTorn wanted to feel God right there. I was like, "well ya sure definetely man". He proceeded to put his hands on me, pray with me, and remain silent with his hand on me in a prayer position for several minutes. I felt a little emotion because of what he was doing for me but I can't say I definetely felt anything that I could isolate as "feeling God".. However, from that experience I can definetely tell how an emotional person would totally go for it and believe they'd "felt" God.
@JonahTorn I think the whole point of his experiment was to show how he could get people to feel a sense of supernatural feeling and become less inclined towards purely rational thought and more open towards ideas of supernature proportion. This doesn't mean they didn't actually feel something supernatural though so whatever.
@JonahTorn ok, cool.. i think darren is just showing that people are can be suseptable to influence and can be made to think something is paranormal when it isn't.. Unless he has powers and just doesn't know it....... I told the illustration of my friend who tried to get me to feel God because he is a Charismatic and points to his Charismatic experiences, very comparable to what darren did, for his proof of Christianity and so do alot of people.. It's not a good enough reason to believe..
@JonahTorn i do think its possible that part of the reason this works is because people are open and desiring for spirituallity on a natural level.. Or in other words people naturally desire spirituallity, it's a part of being us.. But experiences like this aren't good enough reason to convert to a religion and some people do purely because of the spiritual experience..
@JonahTorn I have no idea what you're talking about. The point Derren is trying to make is that just because you get warm fuzzies in your tummy is not a good enough reason to adopt a religion as your own. No one EVER killed someone else because they were an Atheist. People HAVE killed each other for thousands of years because of their different religious beliefs. Derren is trying to get people to be more reasonable to stop wasting their own and other peoples lives.
I don't get why they fall, do they let themselves fall because the others fell? Did the first one fall because if you put your feet together you don't have as much balance?
@JetSetForLife No it was a psychological trick. There is a similar trick that works well with many people. You may not know it but your imagination is a lot stronger than you think.
the reoson the preacher did not want to endorse him straight away was because he himself is a conman ...he just had to try and figure out how Darren did it...
I am an atheist, but I've always said that IF I were a person who had no morals, and had no conscience, I would go into the business of religion. I know that I could convince many to believe, and thus I could take advantage of and or exploit those people for personal gain. Like Derren, I know how it is done.
Notice he told all of them to put your feet together. You cannot stand comfortably with your knees bent if your feet are flush together. When your legs are straight and your knees are locked your bloodflow to your lower legs is blocked and your blood pressure drops dramatically.
Placebo and connecting with the people was the key then conformity sat in with the others. That's why those hyped churches have numerous people acting like idiots, get a bunch of people doing the same thing, the rest either conform with the masses or do nothing . It's pretty sad a non believer or skeptic could "convert" someone LMAO.
I would really like to see that "Touch of God" trick explained and a recording of the "re-conversion." Most of what makes this bloke awesome is that he explains his tricks and shows on film how everything goes down.
@JodaSFU "I'll catch you", he was deliberately suggesting that the individual that fell would fall. Then with the group falling back it was all pointed towards the first individual falling. Once the first in the group fell, group-think took sway and the rest mirrored the events.
what was with those people just jumping straight to "there is a God" instead of "hey, cool trick?" how emotionally distraught were they, that they missed that?
I know you can't judge a book by it's cover but look at the people he "randomly" selected for this study. He did a very good job of preying on their week personalities and demonstrated his point perfectly.
and there are millions of people that are in the same situation as me, SO PLEASE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT ALL RELIGIONS ARE SCAMS OUT THERE TO TAKE YOUR MONEY.
Yeah he is and he proves a good point about fanatical religious behavior.
ZL1COB 2 days ago
ITS ENTERTAINING so shut up and enjoy
PoloLopo017 1 month ago
Hypnosis isnt it?????????
dudes110 4 months ago
@dudes110
he used a a lot of methods there. the guy is great.
skaloon 1 month ago
This is pretty sad man..
OhRlyRly 4 months ago
Damn helicopter, I make out a word he's saying..
warsilver99 5 months ago
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Derren Brown is a fake... these people are all actors
Seigu007 5 months ago
4:30 ... "[She's] an author" haha
8Ho03EdONl1liL 5 months ago
OK I'll ask the question... Is this just a big trick on us? He told us all these people are not dupes or actors... but why should we believe that? He could easily be telling a lie... and the real trick is us believing that original lie and all these people are really that stupid... which ain't so far fetched...
SO IS IT A TRICK?
batfly 6 months ago
@batfly Watch "Enigma" on youtube by Derren Brown. He picks his subjects by throwing frisbees randomly into the audience. Pretty convincing that he doesn't use any plants.
Dougamer2007 4 months ago
@Dougamer2007 not hard to aim a frisbee lol
MAZ1N00 2 months ago
@batfly ya I wondered about that
Golkarian 2 months ago
There seems to be something about Brown that makes you listen to him and just feel okay doing what he says. At least if you watch his stuff.
Pantraimos 6 months ago
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Pantraimos 6 months ago
I cannot help but be skeptical of Derren himself. While I don't doubt that people can be fooled in such a way, here's an inherent problem... if he CAN trick these people... he can trick us :P
I'm not saying he is, but some of what he does seems to be too much for me to accept. I'll reserve judgement, but I do know that people can are highly suggestible in the right hands.
Either way though, entertaining, and whether he's faking or not, the point is still made.
Sines314 6 months ago
thanks nwrvega for the upload!!!
The72koenig 6 months ago
Wow Psychics are behind the times, I had the internet 10 years ago. ;-)
O2BSoLucky 6 months ago
He is making them lock their knees by suggesting bs. I have seen many folks fall out in just such a way in the service, smart guy.
Redrum2381 6 months ago
hmm. maybe the atheists in the video believe because he isnt forcing it on them, hes just asking them.
thiscallsforhats 6 months ago
The best part about this video is the California Psychics' advertisement for free psychic advice. lol
satinpurplefender 7 months ago
2:15 I love his explanation to this. Basically "make shit up on the run and try to look professional".
UerMom 7 months ago
Ridiculous, too easy, he didnt even do anything this time. As I said before, actors, camera cuts, fraud. The trick is on you to believe what your seeing is legit.
XenovannHellwolf 7 months ago
@XenovannHellwolf
Cool story. Prove it.
blackplatypus 7 months ago
@blackplatypus i DONT HAVE TO ITS OBVIOUS. I suppose you watch superman and spiderman and think thats real too huh?
XenovannHellwolf 7 months ago
@XenovannHellwolf
Lol, K sure. Every stage hypnotist ever hires a dozen different actors every night and psychologists and cognitive neuroscientists are all in on it too.
Hypnosis totally isn't an actual thing. The brain runs in one mode at all times.
Read a fucking wikipedia article or something.
blackplatypus 7 months ago
they were hypnotized. easy. i love this dude but it didn't mean shit. he could've just as easily made them believe they were a chicken.
ByrnandBoy 7 months ago
I'm kinda loving that one girl that stood up and kinda looked at everybody a little bit baffled by the fact that she didn't feel anything. Whoever you are, you are awesome.
lizzielis 8 months ago
Many, many years ago a friend of mine talked me into attending an EST seminar which ran over the course of 2 or 3 weekends. I witnessed some amazing demonstrations of, I guess I'll call it, powers of persuasion which frankly terrified me. The potential for the abuse of this power was easy to appreciate. By the end of the seminar I had the impression that the majority of the attendees (about 300 total) were in the palms of the hands of the "instructors". It spooked the heck out of me.
comingatchu 8 months ago
shit man, I hope someone never converts me and then doesn't unconvert me. NOW I'M SCARED..............
I wonder how ANYONE in today's world could believe a machine with a light can catch dreams. I mean, this woman is more stupid than a stone. Sometimes, being a fellow human being makes one hang their head and bite their upper lip.
xrisku 8 months ago
shit man, I hope someone never converts me and then doesn't unconvert me. NOW I'M SCARED..............
xrisku 8 months ago
Darren should have left them converted not !
nabeelmerchant 8 months ago
I want my 6 minutes back, this video was senseless.
critter505 9 months ago
text - in the video "all of these people were 'de-converted' and left with exactly the same beliefs as when they arrived" brilliant domenstration!
waterspindle 9 months ago
lois dont be alarmed but i think im jesus..
KNEEL BEFORE THE POWER OF CHRIST
Northover22x 9 months ago
why the trick doesn't work on us wile are we listening?
1. we are not here prepared to have a spiritual experience.
2.we are not standing up with low blood pressure on our brains.
3.we are not standing with our feet close so we don't have any balance.
4.we don't have our eyes closed so we don't feel in control.
5. we are not getting orders from a leader in front of us.
6.we are alone and not compeled by the herd behaviour to loose our identity in the group and react like the others.
magdalenaferu 9 months ago 7
So many people still justifying their own religious beliefs. This shows, if you are willing to look, that all a belief is, is an explanation for an experience. These people clearly experienced something. But that is life. Life is full of experiences. To then turn around and say that therefore god is real is to lose touch with reality. Its just an explanation. A belief. Have the experience. Enjoy the experience. But leave god out of it.
theredpillmedia 9 months ago
swt...deluded Christians.....
choongd 10 months ago
i love watching derren browns tricks. but even though i know how to theoretically do them. they are so damn hard to reenact. is any one else trying to do them?
punkvictim 10 months ago
Most amazing "scam artist" I've seen in my life. Unbelievable. And his techniques can be used for good. It gives one hope.
Lunarwill 10 months ago
I don't understand why those people are so easily hypnotized, but I don't get hypnotized listening to it ? Is it because I know what he is doing ? Does anybody know ?
ryan84160 11 months ago
I don't get it. All this shows is hypnotism works. We all know that. It doesn't show me that religion is false, like the people here seem to be implying.
HecklerBoy7 1 year ago 2
@HecklerBoy7 Derren is just showing that many people get converted to religion over something that is just a psychological trick; not a genuine religious experience.
maxpainfu1 1 year ago
@maxpainfu1 Yes surely many do, just as many people believe many other things because of psychological tricks. Don't we all know this by now? I daresay most people, who've had no coercion of whatever sort, get converted for fear of death. All this is neat and awesome, but it seems like a red herring. By the same token, he can hypnotize a person to get deconverted, or to believe in whatever he wants. Hypnosis works, we all know that. It's just funny how the ppl here over analyze it so much.
HecklerBoy7 1 year ago
The power of the human mind, how easily it can be influenced, its predispotion to accept things that are fanciful, to embrace emotion and bias rather than logic. Humans are gullible creatures, yet so staunch in some of the worst things. Our nature is appalling, fascinating, beautiful, oppressive. How do stars, giant balls of burning gases, black holes, unmotivated forces of nature, compare to the majesty and intricacies of the mind? Why do we look at mountains in awe, yet discard our own psyche?
Llawliet246 1 year ago
Its hard to really buy everyone falling into the chairs at the same time and what not.. I dont care if my feet are together my eyes closed, or everything else closed for that matter.. I wouldn't be falling straight back into an unrestrained chair in the middle of the floor haha
jordanBLP1 1 year ago
Is he using hypnotism or something?
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
@karlkarlkarl1234
Yes... amongst other techniques.
xFENRISx 1 year ago
You notice one guy looking at the back of his chair before he fulls down.
Makes you think this could be stage performance.
At 1:27 when they sit down watch the guy behind the guy in the red hoddie.
ZandiDolly 1 year ago
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The said: all of these people were de-converted after filming, and left with exactly the same beliefs as when they arrived.
Now would it have been moral to leave them believe or return to as they were ?
What about the people that left, Darren put some doubts in them, these people might have converted since.
saintpine 1 year ago
The said: all of these people were "de-converted" after filming, and left with exactly the same beliefs as when they arrived.
Now would it have been moral to leave them believe or return to as they were ?
What about the people that left, Darren put some doubts in them, these people might have converted since.
saintpine 1 year ago
I don't think its funny to fool the man, priest. I think its mean.
Usually left brain people don't believe they think logic compare to right brain.
left brain seems depressing to me they are not as positive as right brain.
Yet it again its wrong to fool people spiritual just for money.
ZandiDolly 1 year ago
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THANK YOU! THANK YOU SO MUCH!
PestBreed 1 year ago
Amazing - that some, after seeing how easy it is to be fooled, cling still to the idea that there are also 'genuine' conversions/ psychic powers etc....
Isn't it time we all grew up? Face up to the reality of being an animal that simply lives and die. Rejoice in your existence and enjoy every moment - but instead of looking to magic to fill 'the scary void of death' - get educated instead. You will find it liberating.
Bravo Derren - but watch your back. People will hate you for this.
elgar104 1 year ago 45
@elgar104 I'd rather be one of the few who shares the opinion I think is the wisest. I do not want people to get out of their religion and beliefs, they would be harder to manipulate.
Sassy4221 10 months ago
@elgar104 Your logic is weak, the same could be said of how easy it is to be fooled in the idea that we are just animals.
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XenovannHellwolf 7 months ago
Feet together=unbalanced
Eyes closed=sensory deprivation
Result> vertigo> interpreted as "conversion" experience
jennyinthepark 1 year ago
Would have been interesting to see the "deconversion" . . . wonder if he just told them it was suggestion, etc. or how he got out of that. Brilliant experiment though! I grew up next door to a church that did this sort of thing . . . they called it "being slain in the Spirit", they also took a trip to see an evangelist named Benny Hinn who was much better at it. Derren gets same results as him without as much strong showmanship, Derren much more understated, very impressed.
YankHoe 1 year ago
i felt so much relieved after i read that they were 'deconverted' lol....i know he wouldnt have left them like that....but just the thought that a bunch of fellow rationalists would go back to stupidity was spine chillingly scary lol....
natuankur 1 year ago
I find these videos to be very sad. Yes...it DOES show how easily we can fool ourselves. And it shows that there definetely CAN be "false conversions". BUT, the danger in Mr. Brown's message is in thinking that ALL religious belief is false.
artdanks 1 year ago
@artdanks i was in a class called Qi Gong and a professor madea few kids fal like this, then when I went up, I didn't move, he said it was because my Qi wasn't high enuogh, later I called him and told him I cannot make it to calss because I went ot the airport, he told me he already knew this...he kinda reminds me of derren brown. If you want to believe this, then you already will, but try to put him in the same room as a reasonable human being...or a man of true Faith, these people are not.
TheGypsyPolitics 1 year ago
@artdanks there's no danger in calling something that's wrong as wrong.....the truth is not meant to make you feel better.....
natuankur 1 year ago
@artdanks said: "BUT, the danger in Mr. Brown's message is in thinking that ALL religious belief is false."
Only one or none can be true, but the incredible lack of evidance and common sense points by far to the none side.
saintpine 1 year ago 29
@saintpine
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jmann114 7 months ago
@jmann114
Like I said, this simply proves my point.
I've had a near death experience, I had many really touching and frightening experiences, but once I became rational, and understanding that it was my brain playing tricks with me, I was easy to become immune from most of this sort of illusion.
saintpine 7 months ago
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@saintpine
"Like I said, this simply proves my point."
Really? Does it? How?
"I've had a near death experience, I had many really touching and frightening experiences, but once I became rational, and understanding that it was my brain playing tricks with me"
Did you experience clinical death? And how did you become rational?
jmann114 7 months ago
@jmann114
I can find similar claims about any given religion.
Near death experiences prove nothing.
blackplatypus 7 months ago
@blackplatypus
Cool I'd like to see them.
jmann114 7 months ago
I did this with the video (feet together, eyes closed, chair behind to catch me). Within a few seconds, I was swaying and could feel myself starting to lose my balance. Derren specifically says to focus on the chest, shoulders, and face, to feel a pressure. So then I feel like falling backward.
All power of suggestion and physics. Having already seen this video, however, I can't say I was completely unbiased. That being said, I can easily see how this could "convert" people.
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Napoliana 1 year ago
@Fastblade113 Hypnosis typically involves an introduction to the procedure during which the subject is told that suggestions for imaginative experiences will be presented. The hypnotic induction is an extended initial suggestion for using one’s imagination, and may contain further elaborations of the introduction. A hypnotic procedure is used to encourage and evaluate responses to suggestions.
psychologicalhypnosis dot c o m
TheSkeptitcherRebbe 1 year ago
@TheSkeptitcherRebbe but there r ways of doing hypnosis without informing tem fr example inducing shocks nd there r many more methods fr it ... :)
KaranKhanna2009 1 year ago
These people are atheists who still want to be irrational and believe.
Derren brown is like an authority figure here. He is giving them permission to be irrational.
So they fall for it because of their emotions, hook line and sinker.
They think they are feeling a god when they are just feeling strong emotions and euphoria.
bluewatermonster 1 year ago
It's weird that no one demanded actual evidence. Being hypnotised by Derren Brown is not reason enough to believe in god, and so I'm not sure it's possible to be honest and say that you do believe in god simply because of that. Unless you simply don't think things through in your life, which I suppose is a possibility.
kablamo9999 1 year ago
Everything that has happened in someone's life is usually the person's fault, stop blaming God, or the Devil.. Perhaps someone was acting nervous around a dominant aggressive type and gets attacked by this type.. Because this person the nervous one emotions are pick up on by the aggressive person.. This is how life works.. It's called psychology or you can call it the survival of the fittest..
mentalistlance 1 year ago
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DaraR20 1 year ago
This is my favorite part of the "Messiah" film. Way to eat a tender slice of your own face, you Christian cunt.
CalebAlucardtheHagan 1 year ago
If you couch all of this language with "chi" and "energy" you get high level internal martial arts.
tekproxy 1 year ago
For the exact same reason, police officers are prohibited to ask questions in an interrogation such as 'Was the car that you saw, red?" they will be much more likely to reply yes because of the suggestion. They have to ask 'what colour was the car?' - This being said, they were simply hypnotized and the Kingdom of God is not to trick, God gives free will!
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
"and the Kingdom of God is not to trick"
I'm feeling contrarian so... if you'll forgive me for assuming you're christian... ("kingdom of god" is rarely used elsewhere)
on god and tricking...
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned
and free will...
Exodus 9:12 And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus in that verse God sends them delusion AFTER they had already made up their mind about taking pleasure in unrighteousness. God hardened pharoahs heart, he still allowed free will. If pharoah had righteousness in his heart he would have let his slaves go like God told him to do. God hardened his heart AFTER he said no 8 times, Thus, God hardening his heart to bring judgement
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
"God sends them delusion AFTER they had already made up their mind about taking pleasure in unrighteousness."
how is that relevant to the issue of whether or not god "tricks" people? The god character clearly does...
"God hardened his heart AFTER he said no 8 times"
Exodus 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt, see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh ... but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus It's like talking to a wall
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
It is indeed like talking to a wall. I am well aware that you are unlikely to respond to reason regardless of how much I show your god admitting to tricking people or show your god clearly stating that he plans to violate "free will".
I'm not for a second under the impression that if I show your god admitting to creating evil (see Isaiah 45:7) that you'll say "I get it, this stuff doesn't make sense and there's no reason to believe it"
talking to a wall indeed.
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus But you are using the logic of our culture, not ancient culture. God brought instintaneous judgement before the new covenant.
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
"God brought instintaneous judgement before the new covenant. "
Erm... 2 Thessalonians is new testament.
"Once again, you are taking the bible out of context"
I'm taking the bible out of context? You are the one who claimed that "God hardened his heart AFTER he said no 8 times" So I had to provide the relevant context that the god character had planned to do this beforehand anyway.
You can hardly just claim I'm taking the bible out of context and not provide the appropriate one.
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
(sigh) I think you mean the hebrew word.
according to Carm.org (a christian apologetics website) the Hebrew word for evil, "rah," is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs 663 times. 431 times it is translated as "evil." The other 232 times it is translated as "wicked," "bad," "hurt," "harm," "ill," "sorrow," "mischief," "displeased," "adversity," "affliction," "trouble," "calamity," "grievous," "misery," and "trouble."
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus Any questions?
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
Do you admit that your god (given that it is totally not fictional) is responsible for Evil/harm/ill/affliction/calamity/misery/trouble?
Do you admit that to imply that the god character only decided to violate "free will" AFTER pharaoh had refused to free the jews (even if he had, so?) is taking the bible out of context?
Do you admit that the god character intentionally deceives people with the intention of causing them harm?
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus Pharoah still had free will, it was just more difficult. Yes, he creates calamity and trouble for those who deserve it. It's also called you reap what you sow. Your sins shall find you out. If you kill someone or rob someone you are going to live in paranoia untill you get caught, understand? God cannot torture people by himself it defies the definition of God, but he will allow you to torture yourself if that's what you choose. You are actually passing judgement on to God, gl.
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
"Pharoah still had free will, it was just more difficult."
where does it say that? now, you're inventing parts of the story that aren't there. And you never actually addressed whether to say that god only decided to it it after the 8th time was taking it out of context.
"f you kill someone or rob someone you are going to live in paranoia untill you get caught, understand?"
unless god tells you to kill or rob someone of course?
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
"God cannot torture people by himself it defies the definition of God"
erm... who created hell?
"but he will allow you to torture yourself if that's what you choose. "
or he'll lie to you and deceive you into such.
"You are actually passing judgement on to God, gl."
Lol, if you want to go the 'you can't judge god' route, then you have no grounds upon which to judge god good.
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus Hell was not created for us. You don't need to judge to see "God's Holiness
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
"Hell was not created for us."
Do you really expect me to do anything other than facepalm at that cop out? What you're saying god totally doesn't intend for people to go to hell and he just hasn't gotten around to rectifying that?
"You don't need to judge to see "God's Holiness"
ok, disregarding that "holy" is a completely meaningless word, that sentence is completely absurd. You just asserted that axiomatically.
you don't need to judge to see that fairies taste like pancakes
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus Now you're just mocking something you don't understand. Which I believe is called straw man
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
not at all, a straw man is when I attack a position you don't hold. I was explaining why asserting things axiomatically without justifying them is stupid.
It was a reductio ad absurdum...
blackplatypus 1 year ago
@blackplatypus Once again, you are taking the bible out of context. You have to understand the greek terminology before you start making claims. Evil - greek work rah. Maybe you should look that up.
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@blackplatypus definetely a debate I've had before, I'm kind of on your side with this one... Why would it matter whether it's after 8 times or not???? The fact is that God still prevented him from making his own choice...
SHIBBYiPANDA 1 year ago
@Fastblade113 ya it would definetely appear that God intended to make Pharoah not allow the slaves to go so God could demonstrate his awesome power
SHIBBYiPANDA 1 year ago
He told them what they were feeling, just like a placebo - just like when you give somebody a sugar pill and tell them it's a cure for their sickness, they will feel better. This is just hypnotism. Since they are told what they are feeling, they feel it - That's not how it is with the power of God, he cheated. He should have ASKED them what they were feeling without telling them what they were supposed to feel.
Fastblade113 1 year ago
Notice how he got them to close their eyes, meditate on his voice, then he TOLD THEM what they were feeling - that's called hypnotism. When the power of God comes upon somebody they aren't told what they are feeling, the just simply notice the power of Christ. When someone is filled with the power of the spirit they aren't looking for the presence it's just there
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
Let me ask you this. Has there ever been any person who converted to Christianity without any contact to any church or christian in their life whatsoever. For example did any native americans convert to christianity prior to columbus sailing to america? If not then why is it that not a single native american in 1500 since Jesus ever noticed the power of Christ? It is because it is all suggested, whether you like it or not, conversions are just forms of hypnosis.
TheSkeptitcherRebbe 1 year ago
@TheSkeptitcherRebbe Jesus himself visits people, how do you think people began to believe in the first place? People believe what they believe when the evidence for either side outweighs the other. We are a partnership with Jesus, we are to SPREAD the news. Everything anyone has ever learned has been taught, a man can only do what he sees his father do.
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113
Exactly. So saying that people come to belief in Jesus without the power of suggestion in total BS. The same goes with any religion. Truth is universal, which is why similar scientific truths have been developed around the world by individuals who are unaffiliated with each other. The whole reason we know Christianity is totally bogus is that you will never have someone come up with Christian theology independant of a teacher or a parent.
TheSkeptitcherRebbe 1 year ago
@TheSkeptitcherRebbe I have personally talked with many people who came to Christ from islam via a real encounter with Jesus himself. Even if Jesus himself was to say 'Turn to me' you would consider that suggestion. When Jesus Christ was on earth, he was not taught about Christ, he just knew the truth, and the truth reunites with itself. Adam and Eve weren't told about Christ, Moses, Noah, Elijah, Elisha, Paul. Everybody searches for Christ their whole life, butmanydon't knowwhattheyaresearchin4
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113 And I have personally met many people who came to Buddhism, Atheism, Judaism from Christianity as well. But again let me emphasize that the move from Islam, Judaism, any religion or even atheism to Christianity is only because someone told them about Christian theology. Hence it is entirely possible that your friends who became Christian did so since they were in a highly emotional state and were converted through the power of suggestion rather than the imaginary power of Jesus.
TheSkeptitcherRebbe 1 year ago
@TheSkeptitcherRebbe I have a few questions.. About what percent of all possible knowledge do you think man possesses? Maybe 1% of all knowledge at most? And of that knowledge how much do you personally possess? Maybe .1% at most? That is a very small fraction of knowledge. Do you think it's possible that somewhere outside or incredibly limited knowledge it's possible for something to exist?
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113 This has nothing to do with the points I made, it only dodges the problem of the power of suggestion in Christian missionary work.
"Do you think it's possible that somewhere outside or incredibly limited knowledge it's possible for something to exist?"
This questions shows by far how little you understand about the atheistic perspective. What kind of question is that really? Think about it. Really.
TheSkeptitcherRebbe 1 year ago
@TheSkeptitcherRebbe The 'power of suggestion' is just some bs you made up. It was supposed to say 'your' not 'or' I'm sorry.
Fastblade113 1 year ago
@Fastblade113 Did you even watch the video?
TheSkeptitcherRebbe 1 year ago
@TheSkeptitcherRebbe He is using hypnosis
Fastblade113 1 year ago
how did he do it?
ScepticMatt 1 year ago
Derren's point, wether he realizes it or not, here is that we are all under a form hypnosis. I assume he knows this. It's brought about by the world that we live in. School, church, clubs, universties, families, friends, political circles, groups influence through pressure, all of these things that make up the world we live in and caste us in a hypnotic state. That's how we become susceptible to suggestion.
DoublePrimo44004 1 year ago
Haha, This was really fun to watch as an atheist :P
JollSSteR 1 year ago
standing with my feet together and with eyes close makes me lose my balance.
lotusbreaker 1 year ago 2
any1 has some perfume, the old guy is talking shit ...
deadmanavir 1 year ago
if its not staged, he should do that at a crusade field where every one will come
ebukachris 1 year ago
"Now we have the internet"
"Yeah and it's doing very well isn't it"
Haha lol
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JonahTorn 1 year ago
And he didn't convert anyone to "Christianity", he persuaded them to believe in 'God' and talked about 'a spirit' moving inside them. NOT the 'Holy Spirit' which Christians believe in.
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JonahTorn 1 year ago
@JonahTorn what do u mean by that?
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JonahTorn 1 year ago
@JonahTorn thats cool, well i read your comment about him not understanding Christianity and that's definetely possible. He might have just been trying to shed doubt on the charismatic movement..
I used to go to Baylor University in Waco Texas and I was raised in a Christian household but I developed some doubts which I expressed to a friend of mine down there who went to a charismatic church and in response he told me that if I wanted he could help me feel God right there and asked if I.. tbc
SHIBBYiPANDA 1 year ago
@JonahTorn wanted to feel God right there. I was like, "well ya sure definetely man". He proceeded to put his hands on me, pray with me, and remain silent with his hand on me in a prayer position for several minutes. I felt a little emotion because of what he was doing for me but I can't say I definetely felt anything that I could isolate as "feeling God".. However, from that experience I can definetely tell how an emotional person would totally go for it and believe they'd "felt" God.
SHIBBYiPANDA 1 year ago
@JonahTorn I think the whole point of his experiment was to show how he could get people to feel a sense of supernatural feeling and become less inclined towards purely rational thought and more open towards ideas of supernature proportion. This doesn't mean they didn't actually feel something supernatural though so whatever.
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@JonahTorn ok, cool.. i think darren is just showing that people are can be suseptable to influence and can be made to think something is paranormal when it isn't.. Unless he has powers and just doesn't know it....... I told the illustration of my friend who tried to get me to feel God because he is a Charismatic and points to his Charismatic experiences, very comparable to what darren did, for his proof of Christianity and so do alot of people.. It's not a good enough reason to believe..
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@JonahTorn i do think its possible that part of the reason this works is because people are open and desiring for spirituallity on a natural level.. Or in other words people naturally desire spirituallity, it's a part of being us.. But experiences like this aren't good enough reason to convert to a religion and some people do purely because of the spiritual experience..
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@JonahTorn I have no idea what you're talking about. The point Derren is trying to make is that just because you get warm fuzzies in your tummy is not a good enough reason to adopt a religion as your own. No one EVER killed someone else because they were an Atheist. People HAVE killed each other for thousands of years because of their different religious beliefs. Derren is trying to get people to be more reasonable to stop wasting their own and other peoples lives.
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JonahTorn 1 year ago
This is the one that's always boggled me. I want to know how he does it so bad! I haven't seen a a full, solid explanation so far.
katiekawaii 1 year ago
@katiekawaii Look into stage hypnosis routines and you'll get closer than just any hypnosis book. This is a stage routine.
JonahTorn 1 year ago
I don't get why they fall, do they let themselves fall because the others fell? Did the first one fall because if you put your feet together you don't have as much balance?
JetSetForLife 1 year ago
@JetSetForLife No it was a psychological trick. There is a similar trick that works well with many people. You may not know it but your imagination is a lot stronger than you think.
YuneShik 1 year ago
hahahaha...power of suggestion.
dolafbrown 1 year ago
the reoson the preacher did not want to endorse him straight away was because he himself is a conman ...he just had to try and figure out how Darren did it...
cookeladoo 1 year ago 2
I am an atheist, but I've always said that IF I were a person who had no morals, and had no conscience, I would go into the business of religion. I know that I could convince many to believe, and thus I could take advantage of and or exploit those people for personal gain. Like Derren, I know how it is done.
PaineLover 1 year ago
Notice he told all of them to put your feet together. You cannot stand comfortably with your knees bent if your feet are flush together. When your legs are straight and your knees are locked your bloodflow to your lower legs is blocked and your blood pressure drops dramatically.
radtech1989 1 year ago
hi makes them say yes that is not convertian
MrJacomedy 1 year ago
Even Chuck Norris can't give you a *mental* roundhouse kick
superhornet59 1 year ago
Placebo and connecting with the people was the key then conformity sat in with the others. That's why those hyped churches have numerous people acting like idiots, get a bunch of people doing the same thing, the rest either conform with the masses or do nothing . It's pretty sad a non believer or skeptic could "convert" someone LMAO.
HybridD91 1 year ago
It's funny because I've heard Derren was an athiest...this makes me giggle.
urnext2 1 year ago
Wauw he is skilled
mamdk 1 year ago
There may be no religion, but the brain can do beautiful things.
legend3127 1 year ago
I would really like to see that "Touch of God" trick explained and a recording of the "re-conversion." Most of what makes this bloke awesome is that he explains his tricks and shows on film how everything goes down.
JodaSFU 1 year ago
@JodaSFU "I'll catch you", he was deliberately suggesting that the individual that fell would fall. Then with the group falling back it was all pointed towards the first individual falling. Once the first in the group fell, group-think took sway and the rest mirrored the events.
CliffM85 1 year ago
what was with those people just jumping straight to "there is a God" instead of "hey, cool trick?" how emotionally distraught were they, that they missed that?
JohnSmithAprilMay 1 year ago
@JohnSmithAprilMay My guess is that he was hypnotising and manipulating their psyches from the moment he entered the door.
JodaSFU 1 year ago
I know you can't judge a book by it's cover but look at the people he "randomly" selected for this study. He did a very good job of preying on their week personalities and demonstrated his point perfectly.
NumotTD 1 year ago
yea this guy doesn't use actors... bullshit
icutad2 1 year ago
@icutad2 Shut the fuck up dumb ass. fucking people like u should just keep ur fucking mouth shut
diceskull 1 year ago
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and there are millions of people that are in the same situation as me, SO PLEASE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT ALL RELIGIONS ARE SCAMS OUT THERE TO TAKE YOUR MONEY.
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