I would like to say that maybe if you found words other than "fuck" and "cunt" to show emphasis, you may make more of an impact. Are you a parent?
Also, you have it wrong about the catholic schools vs public schools. Catholic schools get their money from the church, paid tuition, and donations. Public schools get their money off the backs of the workers.
Shut up liberal, there are people that are on drugs instead of giving there children lunch money, btw before you start bitchin, IT'S THE TAX PAYERS MONEY, ya know, "tax payers"!
People dont just up set over nothing,
You are a total DUMB ASS!
Oh, btw, donating to foriegn countries is something YOU do, theres a difference between government forcing us to pay taxs and giving out tax money and giving it to blood-sucking liberals like you and having the choice to give money away! FAT FUCK!
Considering that every year more money is spent on education shouldnt that mean that kids should be getting smarter and thinner? Why is the opposite happening? The Dems seem to think if you throw money at an issue it solves it..Its called throwing good money after bad.. Also public schools should not be a Federal issue..Thats a local issue that should be handled by your local officials.
@markandrew0812 "Considering that every year more money is spent on education shouldnt that mean that kids should be getting smarter and thinner?"
education is usually up in front to take a cut to their budget, while at the same time getting more and more students to deal with every year. then they serve cheap unhealthy food at lunch after installing vending machines to make $, but stock them with sodas & candy while cutting the physical education courses due to lack of money.
@C0ct0pusPrime Thats a broad statement seeing that education is a local issue..If your schools have vending machines with soda who should you complain to? The President? How about you try the Board of ED? If your education budget keeps getting cut how about writting a letter to the Mayor? Do you honestly think the school system should be responsible for solving obesity with children..They cant even educate them
@markandrew0812 the mayor doesnt cut their budget... the state government does, but it might as well be the central government because they give money to the state government as long as they agree to their conditions... so yes the central government is very responsible for school budget costs
@CrimsonGetsu That is due to the local goverments selling thier rights to the Federal Govt..But ultimately they mayor could raise funds for education if he so chooses.. It would me budget cuts elsewere or higher taxes.. People like to complain about education budgets being cut yet no one wants to pay more in taxes.. Eventually you end up paying for it with either local,state or fed taxes.If you let Washington control the $ There is more waste with less accountability
@C0ct0pusPrime lets face it, people in general are stupid, and they are illiterate to what is going on around them, and the media likes to keep them that way... so they can pass whatever fucking law they want
Actually, I think most parents and people in general COULD afford healthy food. The bad food isnt always that much cheaper, its just easier to make and goes faster.
Damn, I just realized that I saw a similar "discussion" about violent video games on Fox News: They had the ONE guest speaker and 2-3 people from the show, and whenever the guest said something the hosts would talk to each other for like 3 minutes and drown out the guest (or shout over the guest in one way or another). Of course, there's also the bullshit Fox adds in for viewers too lazy to do some research of their own.
...but they'll rob the american worker & get them to stand up for their corporation masters who dont pay their fair share in taxes, bail out these same assholes after gambling our money & fuckin up, force women to give birth to unwanted children only to deny them lunch later so they can grow up to enlist them in the armed forces to die in some fucking war. If it were up to me, Id put Clinton back in office & feed him 2 whores a week.
@88Keyz101 Robbing the american worker/tax payer is a bipartisan effort. Democrats spend on social programs that are most often ineffective, while Republicans spend an equal or greater amount on war. I'm not a republican but i dont like how they always get so much blame and negative attention. Ge pays no taxes and they have a public/private partnership with the government thanks to democrats. Its time to end this 2 party bickering and expose all of the frauds for who they are.
I think something flew over your head. The purpose of my response to your comment wasnt to blame Republicans for everything thats wrong in this country nor exonerate Democrats from their share of bullshit. My purpose was to display how silly & incredibly irrelevant it is to state one party cheats on their wives as if that somehow holds any equivalence whatsoever to all the other immoral behavior of within our government.
In other words...pay attention to what fkn matters.
Don't support getting kids better lunch, But I bet they support pumping Israel full of our fucking money.
And the whole "The government feeding my kids, teaching my kids..." bullshit. Really, you have a problem with your kids learning? Ohhhh okay, they'd catch onto your bullshit then, wouldn't they. Right, I get it now.
The first home 'console' system was developed by Ralph Baer and his associates. The system was released in the USA in 1972 by Magnavox, called the Magnavox Odyssey. True regular commercial television network programming did not begin in the U.S. until 1948.
Jamie Oliver went to school cafeterias and made the food healthier, improved the health of the kids there, in one country after anothe then reachs America and is completely blocked, threatened with arrest even...
I kinda hate that feeling of people who think that parents are supposed to be the ultimate autortity when it comes to school. No matter if ur kids go to a public or to a private school, parent gotta STAY AWAY from it! Yes, there are meetings, so parents get to know what's happening and yes, sometimes there is place to consultation. But besides that, (i.e. when it comes about what's going to be learned), u cannot have the choice! How is it logical to choose what to learn?
I think it's bullshit that they can tell parents that they cannot make lunches for their own kids to eat in school but other than than I'm all for trying to make school lunches healthier. That being said I don't think healthier school lunches alone will make a major impact in obesity, to do that we need to get kids, and adults for that matter, to eat healthier at home and to turn off the tv, video games, and the internet and go outside and do some physical activity.
Oh and btw, your sources, esp the goldwater institute, are conservative think tanks, who have a track record of encouraging less govt spending anyway. Funny they still support the wars though.
@JonnyPxN The Cato and Mises institutes aren't conservative, they're libertarian. Also, Mises is about as anti-war as it gets. Anyway, my other responses.
Now, tho I disagree with public schools. I think schools should have healthier meals. I also think we need to bring back real physical education. With that said public schools are ridiculously expensive for the end result.
@nero8289 So how would you educate those hundreds of thousands of young students who would be kicked out of public schools under your plan to close them?
@nero8289 If they are poor, how are they going to afford private schooling? And equally, with home schooling, apart from having to have a very competent teacher, as well as buying all their own textbooks, they would get zero social interaction.
@JonnyPxN Well if you were to get rid of public schools, private schools would get cheaper. I think a voucher system would probably be better tho. That way parents could pick where there kid goes to school.
@nero8289 This free market idea just won't work for everyone. Even if they got cheaper, I bet it would cost more money to close all the public schools down, then wait for market forces to equilibrate then give out vouchers, than simply to keep them open. Even with vouchers, private schools are going to be expensive. Its like healthcare. Poorer people on basic insurance still pay huge premiums, even though there should be a lot of competition.
@JonnyPxN Who says we need to close the schools themselves? Just cut the force-funding. Per student, private schools tend to be cheaper; it's a well known fact. Private schools are still required to teach state curriculum, so they're not exactly in a "free market" status. Also, the current healthcare system in the US is a cartel, not anything like a free-market.
@1000g2g3g4g800999 That's why this new plan introduced by Obama for Health care would be good, as it would force companies to offer a better alternative to the public option. Secondly, the reason that some public schools, esp. in inner city areas, perform badly compared to private schools is because of a LACK of funding, and poor teachers. If as, you sugest, they cut their budget, this would make education even worse for these students. Furthermore, even if, say only 25% of public students
@JonnyPxN Not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that they haven't managed to cut state funding? Well of course they haven't! Everyone loves getting to vote away their neighbor's stuff, and then using it how they want to after! If they don't submit to extortion, we lock them in a cage, and then we extort other people to feed those in the cage.
changed from public to private school, that would be over 350,000 extra places needed! They would have to build new classrooms, and somehow hire teachers that will be cheaper than public school but not worse?! And since many of these students will be poor, they would again, have to pay at least something towards the private school. No way in HELL, would the republicans make private school free for some people. Then you have to contend with food/transportation costs. It just wouldn't work.
You can keep the same teachers. Part of the reason public school costs more than private schools is because you are forced to pay for it. If they had to be funded on a voluntary basis, they would have to lower costs, improve quality of service, or improve the level of convenience to the customer some other way. If everyone must pay for a service, they charge more and provide an inferior service compared to what they'd do if people had to want the service. The state squanders money quite a bit.
@1000g2g3g4g800999 Didn't see this, but while the state is more bureaucratic than private sector, the private sector always has vested interests. E.g. to make a profit. The state has an interest to provide a good education so that students can go on to become taxpayers, but like with healthcare, the service is second behind money. Anyway, where are the stats that show it costs more to educate a public schooler than a private schooler? In the UK, private schools cost upwards of $4000 a term.
@JonnyPxN So the private sector's only motivation is profit, and the state never wants to accumulate money and power for itself? As for the stats: goldwaterinstitute(dot)org/article/1908
@1000g2g3g4g800999 I can't get either of those links to work. Anyway, the bottom line is this. You did not answer it. If we cut public school funding even more, it will be the poorer who suffer the most. This is indisputable. Just like healthcare, those who can afford it get the best health/ school care. The free market will perhaps go down in price, or it could go up, seeing as since demand skyrockets, and many children are forced to give vouchers for places, the private sector could abuse
@JonnyPxN Did you replace the "(dot)" with a "." in each instance? Also, I have more responses, including some questions. I suggest you read them in order.
their position. Thirdly, thousands of new private schools would have to be created, even converting public to private would take time. And it still does not change the unfortunate fact that there just aren't enough good teachers anywhere really. Changing to private would not do anything about that. Even homeschooling would never work on a large scale. All those books to buy for poorer kids, and they would have to have great teaching parents who don't work to educated them! I
@JonnyPxN The parents don't have to be the ones homeschooling, and I'm not sure why the conversion would take so much time. Just tell people to pay if the want to get in, have a voucher system for the poor, and stop using state force to take people's money.
I go through life in a happy-go-lucky way and I don't bother thinking about issues too much. All I have to do is find out what RepubliKKKans think and support and GO THE OPPOSITE WAY. I have NO IDEA how healthy school food is but if the RepubliKKKans want to cut it out then it is a terrible idea.
These guys care about nothing and nobody else. Any who oppose them are not Americans and hate the US.
So I don't need to worry analyzing things. I just follow the RepubliKKKans.
So let me get this straight, when it comes to food and stuff that actually matters for school kids like getting an education and food in schools the government doesn't wanna bring out the cash and say it is the parents responsibility BUT these very same fuckwits will say "WE NEED TO CENSOR GAMING FOR OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE IT IS THE GAMING CORPORATION'S FAULT THAT KID PLAYED GRAND THEFT AUTO AND NOT THE PARENT WHO BOUGHT IT!" Give me a fucking break.
I can't believe these people are low enough to argue against school lunches. I'm sure they love the war on drugs too and the money sink that goes into feeding and housing and paying court fees to deal with non violent people. I wish ass rape on people like this. Brutal ass rape.
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I used to think like you...now that I have children, it is completely different. Let me be a parent. I don't need your/their help. Pretty soon they will tell me that my children can't bring their own food...oh wait, that already happened...WHATS NEXT!? This is called Fence Posting and the government does it everyday. Don't be a sucker.
@C0ct0pusPrime - Their help? The state takes money from people and doles it back to them in a worse manner than how they would spend their money to their own accord. Even if one homeschools, they are still paying for the 'public' schools through taxes.
@DCStream yes it is scary and taking them out of school or putting them in a private school is out of the question. Public school was not designed to create political solders and if it is than as parents we need to speak up, but we are too busy trying to make ends meet. Just the way they (gov) wants it. Not only is it scary, it is sad. Same on the politicians. Same on me.
@TheUshman007 I'm not writing that as a parent… I'm writing that as a (quite previously) student. If they want to change the food they serve, which is terrible, good on them. If parents want to change something they control, why not stop the prejudice against gay and lesbian students and teaching creationism in science classes. My American History textbook, in 2006, was so out of date 9/11 wasn't even mentioned.
There's things to change and fight; lunch isn't fucking one of them.
@TheUshman007 go ahead and kill your kids. Give them bacon and sausage everyday...With LOT'S of salt....You fucking retarded fat ass white trailer trash
@classicallady I can see that public school has done wonders with your education. Wow, you are one angry person. You should really speak to someone about that.
I don't believe that the school should tell me what I should feed my kids, however that does not mean that I don't feed my kids well. I always tell my children to watch what they eat and I don't have junk food in my house. I don't need the school or anyone else for that matter to tell me what to do. White trailer trash?! Please....
@TheUshman007 AMERICAN PUBLIC SCHOOLS? God forbid....I am an European...WHY do you think American kids are so ugly and FAT? Because you are ignorant and only obey to whatever bullshit they are program to . Meaning the right wing fringe who detests anything remotely poor and FAT...But they want you to keep this habit and vote for him...Ignorant turd....Go and attend a University will you?
@classicallady European huh. Well honestly you should keep your option to your self since most of Europe is under a socialistic style government and the US is a Republic and your rules and beliefs are different. Hence the reason why we split from England in the first place. By your vulgar and distasteful English, I am sure that I would not want my children to be schooled by someone like you. I am not impressed nor intimidated by it. go away
@TheUshman007 We do not want trash like you either meanwhile I live where I want because I can afford it. And i doubt your children will ever be able to speak 6 languages for we all know Americans like you do not believe in EDUCATION.Bye bye...wasted enough of my precious time with you. Planarian
@classicallady Haha, here is a little lesson for you. There is a reason why most white fat uneducated middle aged men speak only one language. This is because we are number one in the world. We don't have to learn anything else because our slaves will assimilate to our needs. I have been to over 30 different countries and honestly they don't have shit on the USA! My State alone has more GDP than most European countries. #1 get it!
So is it the Christian thing to do and let kids starve? Or go without healthcare? Is one of Jesus' commandment in order to be able to follow him is to keep all you "earn" and piss on poor kids because supporting disenfranchised kids and families to get an equal education and equal oportunity is a godless, socialist tyranny?
Did your Jesus condone "free market" capitalism and social injustice?
@bohemianwriter1 You're the reason why Christians dont like Atheist. You think Christianity is wrong by your reasoning, even with bible scholars making good points. That doesnt mean it exists, but when you fuck around like that people only fucking hate you. You guys act so stupid and this is coming from a fucking former atheist.
Its not a christian thing, many christian organization provide food for the poor whether they believe in anything or nothing....damn.
I'll give you a little friendly advice. How about starting acting accordingly to the bible? How about actually starting to follow all the "godly" rules put out for you as in the old testament? And why are you making a pathetic attempt of showing the fault onto others while Christianity have been the dogma of the power mongering fat cats, enriching themselves at the cost of gullible idiots whom wollow in the BS talking points of a parrot whos only interest is profit?
In order for you to call yourself a follower of Jesus, you MUST sell all you own, and give ALL your wealth to the poor. Jesus was pretty clear on that. But I'm sure that instead of putting your money where your mouth is, will rather blame me for your hatred toward Ahtiests whom are pointing out the falsehood of Christian "goodness". How much did Pat robertson give to the poor from his diamond & gold deals in Africa?
@bohemianwriter1 If thats how you see it then you've been extremely mislead. As for my post, i poste once and you like three booksworth of shit man, jebus, calm down, kf you're that insecure and ignorant then obviously you wont listen when people supply logical statements, see throught whatever you want but when you boast like a child, people especially christains will fuck with you goddammit!
I hear a preacher once whom thought that the poor should starve. Since they apparently in his eyes were lazy and unworthy of having a "judeoChristian" capitallist society. Atheist families are being ostricised in their communities for being Atheists in the bible belt. I'm sure that your Jesus loves the Capitalist society more than honesty.
Christians don't like Atheists because Atheists, at least most of us have seen through the lies called religion.
So answer me this. Is it unchristian to have a communal safety net for the weak & the poor? I have yet to hear a bible scholar come with anything that resembles a reasonable argument, or demonstration of the existence of a god. Far less their own perception of god. When Christian conservatives argue for capitalism, and against welfare, universal HC, and whine about taxes, they are the antithesis of what I consider the most important message of Jesus: He despised the rich!
If Jesus would have by a miracle come back today, knowing what has been going on in "His" name, he would drag each and every money grubber whom are using their megachurches as cash cows, and stripped them of all dignity and wealth. He'd do the same with Wall Street, the bankers, and the military indutstry.
I swear, I want to just go fucking medieval on these contard pigs. Yeah lets give billionaires tax cuts. Let's blow more than half the federal budget on motherfuckin crap Halliburton and Carlyl Group has convinced the military we need (but we fucking don't). How about we spend 700 billion on goldman nutsachs. Or I have a better idea, we tax give this asshole at gunpoint, a STFU and pay your taxes offer, and we go through with the school lunch program?
There is no such this as a free lunch. I'm from Sweden and we pay alot of taxes but school children get hot meals in the school and I think it's great. Nobody can steal the lunch money if there is no lunch money.
I really want to say that I love your commentary on these videos. I live in Texas and my school, unfortunately, has TVs in the cafeteria that broadcast Fox News. :(
@IABLOeLd Also private schools often deter students with special needs from attending them. So they have better scores because they refuse students who may actually be hard to teach. They also are known to inflate scores to please parents and to better advertise their schools. Its a sad day when private school is deemed better than a public school w/o considering the income of the parents and the community.
I don't have time atm to listen to all of this, but...it is actually cheaper to invest in healthy food, than in junk food. I buy my own cuisine, and do so healthily just fine with my shitty income; that's a weak argument that it's because it's "cheaper" to eat unhealthy crap food instead of healthy food. Learn to shop better.
@xDaemonIncarnate It is a fact that processed food which is heavy in processed vegetable oils, processed flour, sugars, and starches, is cheaper than a healthy diet with more vegetables and lean protein as well as higher quality grains and flours. To even claim that it's actually cheaper to eat healthy suggests to me that you either A. have a strange idea of what constitutes healthy, B. are not aware of these cheap and unhealthy options, or C. are trolling.
Hey 5 vs. 1, fair and balanced? That dumb bitch on the down-left side is such a bitch. All of them get paid by fox news to bash on kids who get warm meals. How low can fox news get? I remember how much I use to love school lunch. My parents were very poor and we had decent enough food at home, but I always loved the lunch in school. Republicans are against all of middle class, yet half of them are in the middle class. There is just so much confusion in their base on who is fighting for whom...
@sh00008 You're very right! Republicans are in the business of making sure laws allow the wealthy to continue to be wealthy and get wealthier at the expense of the middle and lower classes. But the majority of voters are middle class. How do you convince people to vote for you when you are going to do harm to them? Easy! Convince them that what you're doing will ACTUALLY, through a contrived process such as trickle down economics, help them somehow! This is the job of outlets such as Fox News.
Christo you are apparently too simple minded to look at the big picture. Its not so simple. However I will let it slide since probably everyone but me will ignore your trolling ass.
@christo930 I dunno, everything you've said here has been apparently misinformed, presumably by the private schools you praise, or your own inability or unwillingness to think critically and take data not from your personal experience, but from a pool of data over a broad area and time period. You also apparently don't know how the reduced/free lunch programs work, or how the lunch program in general works. It's not up to me to explain this to you. You should take some time and educate yourself.
@Garylisk I never said I knew the ins and outs of the school lunch program. What I said is that I am not against it, particularly for poor students. I also said that I don't support poor people paying for wealthy people. That is a general statement and is not specific. Private religious schools are very good in America, that is not even disputed by anyone, nor is the fact that they are cheaper than public schools. There is no debate about that. You should try educating YOURSELF.
@underbjorn - Free lunch in Sweden? You're fucking retarded. You're so beyond stupid you actually believe, you actually try to make the argument that no one pays for anything they eat in Sweden. Food magically appears in Sweden and no one had to grow it, prepare it, package it, ship it, or serve it. You just have your Messiahs in Government miracle the food into existance. It's 100% free! Eat all you want! There is no end to the food in Sweden. And your Muslim Immigrants are peaceful 100% too!
What do you think "free" implies, idiot? It means you as a citizen do not pay in direct transaction but collectively sponsor it through taxation.
Muslim immigrants are relevant how...? Stupid American, you are probably one of those extremists who think we are being overrun by them, my god what an uneducated idiot.
@underbjorn yeah i cant wait to pay high taxes when I finally get a job in sweden, if theres enough jobs that havent been raped to death by the taxes and recession
Who hasn't been running on printed money, huh? You?
Everybody is on government-printed money, and while it could be good to go back to peg it to gold or some other resource, it sure as hell isn't going to stay good if we continue to rely on the United States dollar as a replacement.
@underbjorn - Capitalist crush? If you mean Crony Capitalist crush, then sure. But the current economic crisis was most definitely not caused by the free market.
/watch?v=d-oLOSnITmM
Basically, the crisis was caused by state manipulation of the housing market. Most socialists struggle to differentiate between the free market and crony capitalism. I've even heard some refer to agricultural subsidies and copyright laws as free market.
"I've even heard some refer to agricultural subsidies and copyright laws as free market."
Ye I have even heard Americans call Nazism socialism.
The reason regarding agricultural subsidies as free market is that the most staunch defenders of subsidies for such worthless crap as homemade food and fuel are those that are bitching about the free market loudest.
@underbjorn - Check out fringeelements response to this video. The homemade lunch thing is not defended by shills for the homemade lunch sector, like you make it out to be, however, more funding for school lunches would actually go towards 'the corporations' who the state grants oligopolies over school lunches. I'm not extremely enraged over school lunches, it's just 'one more thing', like people promise... and it's just one more thing in the state clusterfuck which I'm paying for.
Well you could call it state clusterfuck with the point at the state being to blame while I call the same clusterfuck corporate-run, the difference between corporate power in countries like the USSR and the United States is that in the USSR, the state had control over corporations, in the United States it's the other way around.
I don't remember saying anything about homemeade lunch in this particular discussion, maybe some months ago, but kids with no money for good lunch..
@underbjorn Lol, Just because a government says it is legal dose not make it right. Taxation is theft.It is taking something that belongs to one individual by force.That is theft.
@nero8289 then you are a thief for using the police for protection while not wanting to pay for it. you think taxation is theft, fine, don't walk on the sidewalk or use traffic signals, or you're an accessory.
@C0ct0pusPrime Taxation should be voluntary.Taxation is theft because they force us to pay. I am not opposed to my money going to police,firefighter,military because they are services that protect the rights of individuals. I am opposed to money going to other countries,to banks,or other failing businesses,or any other social services.
If I work in my sweat and blood to create items in a factory and the factory owner take all the profits, that is theft, but I don't hear you Americans whining about that.
Killing Usama bin Laden was cold-blooded murder, invading Iraq was a war of aggression and breaking international peace, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo concentration camp are crimes against humanity etc etc, don't think your petty greed is worldwide accepted, taxation is right.
@underbjorn How is tacking profits theft? Theft is the taking of something by force. So, if the company you work for forces you to work there,and dose not pay you then yes that is wrong. FUCK Bin laden.
Haha just another stupid American. Taking profits is living on the work of somebody else, if I build a car in a factory, the profits shouldn't go to some manager, THAT is theft.
Taxation is redistribution of wealth, if you don't like it, move somewhere else.
"FUCK Bin laden."
yea ditto on your war criminals, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfield should by be hanged not to talk about that war mongering corruptor Bush.
@underbjorn Taking profits is not theft.profit is what is left over after expenses I.E paying your workers,cost of material the profit is what is left over after all of that,and that is what the owner takes home. Why should the government be allowed to take what is mine,and then give it to another individual? Exactly all of those you mentioned are criminals,and should be punished.
Why should anybody be allowed to take a car I assembled, huh? Like in feudal times, why should anybody be allowed to take the crops I harvest or the fish I catch?
Due compensation should be set with regard to the one doing the actual labour, not the lazy thug sitting with the money.
@underbjorn - The manager of a firm is not a thief. They provide value to a firm, being the manager... they manage it. They build up the capital to start the firm, and they shoulder the risk should the firm fail. You can have your little Marxist kibbutz within a free-market stateless society, whereas I cannot form a stateless free-market within a state, simply saying "MOVE!" is retarded, as virtually all hospitable land within the world has been claimed by states who 'use' only a fraction of it.
"and they shoulder the risk should the firm fail" Wrong, limited liability for the top directors whilst the workers get unemployed and lose livelihoods.
"virtually all hospitable land within the world has been claimed by states who 'use' only a fraction of it."
Wrong, it's claimed by commercial corporations under state sovereignity, polluted, toxicated, wasted and brutalized by for-profit groups.
@underbjorn - No... most of the hospitable land in the world has been claimed by states. I'm not sure why you are disputing this. The current model of 'The Corporation' is not a free-market one, it hides behind the state and does things which would not fly on a free market. It bribes THE STATE to hide behind it's idealogical cloak. The entire world is under the chaotically presupposed legislation of a cartel of states, and when they are bribed and allowed to fuck over people, you blame it on...
"It bribes THE STATE to hide behind it's idealogical cloak."
So why do you blame the state, which passively accepts, more than the corporations which actively bribes?
I blame it on what is called the free market of today.
The current market is as much a free market as the Soviet Union was communist, you can debunk the "free" in free market as anybody can bash the USSR for it's nonc-ommie tendencies, still all call the Soviet Union communist.
@underbjorn - the free market... which we do not have. I do not want to explain the intricacies of polycentric law, so I'll link a video.
/watch?v=ylXAhyDZhZ4
Pollution in a stateless free market is dealt with as a property violation. In a free market, McDonalds may, theoretically, send out a bunch of McTroops to fuck you over, but they would get killed and boycotted, so they would not do this. However, in statism, they may use the state to grant them subsidies and barriers to entry.
Taking libertarianism to the utter extreme isn't really any more practical than the utopian Communist Society.
Even still, your imagination is ridiculous here, McDonalds may send McTroops? Aren't they already?
Why would they care if some millions of people boycot them as long as the purchasing power of 10 billionaire customers outweighs the millions of boycotters?
@underbjorn - No, it is more practical. While it is most definitely a very long term goal which would require a shift in the populace's opinion, it doesn't require people do behave irrationally, like most forms of Utopian socialism, which supposes that people would contribute with little incentive to do so. No, my imagination is not getting ridiculous. Now, McDonalds can lobby the state to impose rules which would not fly on a free market, and people just accept it because "THE STATE!!!!".
If there is one thing that is irrational, it's the idea of a free market.
It's a nobrainer to see that teh free market demands of a rational individual full knowledge of alternatives to purchasing a product, the real cost of the product, the real cost oft he alternatives, a fucking inner super-calculator in every financial action you take.
@underbjorn - No, it doesn't require individuals to become nuclear physicists or anything like that, but if people value safe, high-quality products enough, then they may simply seek reviews for the products. Individuals can generally make economic decisions much better than a state can because people KNOW what they want, whereas state entities controlling peoples' lives struggle to calculate even the basics. It's why there were absurd shortages and surpluses in the USSR.
The individual has no oversight of the society as a whole, I don't believe anybody, employer or otherwise, should decide over personal life details.
Actual free market capitalism demands from a rational individual to be consequent which they never are, such perversions as what Americans call "brand loyalty" and misleading advertisement for f.e a jacket that costs 4 dollars to produce and 400 dollars to buy is the complete opposite of anything close to "rational"
@underbjorn - Under state communism, it is irrational for any one person to do extra work because the 'profits' (GASP!) would be so diffuse throughout the entire state, that it wouldn't be worth the effort (bar re-enforcement and the gulags). It is irrational for any member of the state to work towards efficiency for the same reason. Communitarianism can work in small societies because people actually value those around them and gains are concentrated. Look up "Dunbar's Number".
There is no such thing as true state communism, the Communist Manifesto was written in staunch opposition to absolute and eternal government control and a mega tax burden on the working class whilst the nobility and clergy (Later exchanged to corporate slaveowners) lived in ridiculous decadence.
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Anywho, that is what happens today as well, with patent law, companies get a complete monopoly on such essentials as AIDS medicine, it's just absurd.
I go to middle school I pay $2.50 for a fucking juice box, 6 chicken nuggets, and a milk. 6 cents a lunch my ass. My parents fucking spend $450 a year. So I suggest all this tax shit fucking starts making my fucking lunch less than my school bill per year. I pay less to go to school than to pay for lunch
11:21 Great example of a red herring.
jshowa10 1 day ago
Don't say "conservative" and "liberal" anymore. Instead, say tits and mile markers.
Good and bad, criminalism and egalitarianism, exist in all societal strata.
Ariel62073 1 month ago
You are partially right but you don't need to overreact.
Colestockdale1 1 month ago
What the hell you are stupid.
Colestockdale1 1 month ago
I would like to say that maybe if you found words other than "fuck" and "cunt" to show emphasis, you may make more of an impact. Are you a parent?
Also, you have it wrong about the catholic schools vs public schools. Catholic schools get their money from the church, paid tuition, and donations. Public schools get their money off the backs of the workers.
chebolful 1 month ago
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Shut up liberal, there are people that are on drugs instead of giving there children lunch money, btw before you start bitchin, IT'S THE TAX PAYERS MONEY, ya know, "tax payers"!
People dont just up set over nothing,
You are a total DUMB ASS!
Oh, btw, donating to foriegn countries is something YOU do, theres a difference between government forcing us to pay taxs and giving out tax money and giving it to blood-sucking liberals like you and having the choice to give money away! FAT FUCK!
metalheadimp 1 month ago
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metalheadimp 1 month ago
Considering that every year more money is spent on education shouldnt that mean that kids should be getting smarter and thinner? Why is the opposite happening? The Dems seem to think if you throw money at an issue it solves it..Its called throwing good money after bad.. Also public schools should not be a Federal issue..Thats a local issue that should be handled by your local officials.
markandrew0812 1 month ago
@markandrew0812 "Considering that every year more money is spent on education shouldnt that mean that kids should be getting smarter and thinner?"
education is usually up in front to take a cut to their budget, while at the same time getting more and more students to deal with every year. then they serve cheap unhealthy food at lunch after installing vending machines to make $, but stock them with sodas & candy while cutting the physical education courses due to lack of money.
C0ct0pusPrime 1 month ago 5
@C0ct0pusPrime Thats a broad statement seeing that education is a local issue..If your schools have vending machines with soda who should you complain to? The President? How about you try the Board of ED? If your education budget keeps getting cut how about writting a letter to the Mayor? Do you honestly think the school system should be responsible for solving obesity with children..They cant even educate them
markandrew0812 1 month ago
@markandrew0812 the mayor doesnt cut their budget... the state government does, but it might as well be the central government because they give money to the state government as long as they agree to their conditions... so yes the central government is very responsible for school budget costs
CrimsonGetsu 1 month ago
@CrimsonGetsu That is due to the local goverments selling thier rights to the Federal Govt..But ultimately they mayor could raise funds for education if he so chooses.. It would me budget cuts elsewere or higher taxes.. People like to complain about education budgets being cut yet no one wants to pay more in taxes.. Eventually you end up paying for it with either local,state or fed taxes.If you let Washington control the $ There is more waste with less accountability
markandrew0812 1 month ago
@C0ct0pusPrime lets face it, people in general are stupid, and they are illiterate to what is going on around them, and the media likes to keep them that way... so they can pass whatever fucking law they want
CrimsonGetsu 1 month ago
06:01 ""A billion here a billion there""
Yes, that pretty much sums up what republicans think when faced with actuall statistics and evidence.
gulbirk 1 month ago
Actually, I think most parents and people in general COULD afford healthy food. The bad food isnt always that much cheaper, its just easier to make and goes faster.
gulbirk 1 month ago
okay, so you love superheroes, Pantera and have amazing, logical rants?
will you marry me?
pois0nIV 2 months ago
This was...fucking awesome.
allidock11 2 months ago
Fuck FOX and FUCK CHRISTMAS.
baxtar2012 3 months ago
Man the whole government is just messed up. I wouldn't be surprised if every single one in the world was :l
XxAdamJxX 4 months ago
Damn, I just realized that I saw a similar "discussion" about violent video games on Fox News: They had the ONE guest speaker and 2-3 people from the show, and whenever the guest said something the hosts would talk to each other for like 3 minutes and drown out the guest (or shout over the guest in one way or another). Of course, there's also the bullshit Fox adds in for viewers too lazy to do some research of their own.
Swordofswordom 4 months ago
"I'm a great parent! Every day I go to the snack machine and buy my kid a bag of Doritos!"
lol
Xtravesty 4 months ago 5
democrats cheat on their wives
sanctuary1221 4 months ago
@sanctuary1221
Republicans don't cheat on their wives...
...but they'll rob the american worker & get them to stand up for their corporation masters who dont pay their fair share in taxes, bail out these same assholes after gambling our money & fuckin up, force women to give birth to unwanted children only to deny them lunch later so they can grow up to enlist them in the armed forces to die in some fucking war. If it were up to me, Id put Clinton back in office & feed him 2 whores a week.
88Keyz101 4 months ago
@88Keyz101 Robbing the american worker/tax payer is a bipartisan effort. Democrats spend on social programs that are most often ineffective, while Republicans spend an equal or greater amount on war. I'm not a republican but i dont like how they always get so much blame and negative attention. Ge pays no taxes and they have a public/private partnership with the government thanks to democrats. Its time to end this 2 party bickering and expose all of the frauds for who they are.
sanctuary1221 4 months ago
@sanctuary1221
I think something flew over your head. The purpose of my response to your comment wasnt to blame Republicans for everything thats wrong in this country nor exonerate Democrats from their share of bullshit. My purpose was to display how silly & incredibly irrelevant it is to state one party cheats on their wives as if that somehow holds any equivalence whatsoever to all the other immoral behavior of within our government.
In other words...pay attention to what fkn matters.
88Keyz101 4 months ago
Don't support getting kids better lunch, But I bet they support pumping Israel full of our fucking money.
And the whole "The government feeding my kids, teaching my kids..." bullshit. Really, you have a problem with your kids learning? Ohhhh okay, they'd catch onto your bullshit then, wouldn't they. Right, I get it now.
ITSDeonTM 4 months ago
That "America, fuck yeah" made me LOL like a fucking moron at my desk at work...thanks.
omgitsrook 5 months ago
40 years ago they didn't have tv and playstations, kids didn't come home and sit in front of the tv half the day.
ConundrumDragon01 7 months ago
@ConundrumDragon01 2011-40=1971
The first home 'console' system was developed by Ralph Baer and his associates. The system was released in the USA in 1972 by Magnavox, called the Magnavox Odyssey. True regular commercial television network programming did not begin in the U.S. until 1948.
pnw3d
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Investing in our children just doesn't work. I have the numbers. They're written on paper.
similaritiesendhere 7 months ago
Jamie Oliver went to school cafeterias and made the food healthier, improved the health of the kids there, in one country after anothe then reachs America and is completely blocked, threatened with arrest even...
Says a lot eh?
stathamajf 7 months ago
I kinda hate that feeling of people who think that parents are supposed to be the ultimate autortity when it comes to school. No matter if ur kids go to a public or to a private school, parent gotta STAY AWAY from it! Yes, there are meetings, so parents get to know what's happening and yes, sometimes there is place to consultation. But besides that, (i.e. when it comes about what's going to be learned), u cannot have the choice! How is it logical to choose what to learn?
rolingpingu 8 months ago
@rolingpingu
Wow, i hope i live very far away from you.
drshlotzkin 6 months ago
@drshlotzkin What I meant by that was that u simply can't choice what to learn and what u ill be exposed to.
rolingpingu 6 months ago
Coctopus is so sexy when he talks about stupid conservatives *swoons*
LetsTalkSexTalk 8 months ago
I think it's bullshit that they can tell parents that they cannot make lunches for their own kids to eat in school but other than than I'm all for trying to make school lunches healthier. That being said I don't think healthier school lunches alone will make a major impact in obesity, to do that we need to get kids, and adults for that matter, to eat healthier at home and to turn off the tv, video games, and the internet and go outside and do some physical activity.
bantam700 9 months ago
Conservatives don't care about educating our kids because they're all old and won't be alive long enough to benefit from it.
jcbeta730 9 months ago
Oh and btw, your sources, esp the goldwater institute, are conservative think tanks, who have a track record of encouraging less govt spending anyway. Funny they still support the wars though.
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN The Cato and Mises institutes aren't conservative, they're libertarian. Also, Mises is about as anti-war as it gets. Anyway, my other responses.
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
I actually Loled often at your responses, I subbed, keep it up! Derpa Derp!
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
"And by 'my kids' school' I mean the public schools where other people's children go."
jjmblue7 10 months ago
Now, tho I disagree with public schools. I think schools should have healthier meals. I also think we need to bring back real physical education. With that said public schools are ridiculously expensive for the end result.
nero8289 10 months ago
@nero8289 So how would you educate those hundreds of thousands of young students who would be kicked out of public schools under your plan to close them?
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN private schooling ,or Home schooling.
nero8289 9 months ago
@nero8289 If they are poor, how are they going to afford private schooling? And equally, with home schooling, apart from having to have a very competent teacher, as well as buying all their own textbooks, they would get zero social interaction.
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN Well if you were to get rid of public schools, private schools would get cheaper. I think a voucher system would probably be better tho. That way parents could pick where there kid goes to school.
nero8289 9 months ago
@nero8289 This free market idea just won't work for everyone. Even if they got cheaper, I bet it would cost more money to close all the public schools down, then wait for market forces to equilibrate then give out vouchers, than simply to keep them open. Even with vouchers, private schools are going to be expensive. Its like healthcare. Poorer people on basic insurance still pay huge premiums, even though there should be a lot of competition.
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN Who says we need to close the schools themselves? Just cut the force-funding. Per student, private schools tend to be cheaper; it's a well known fact. Private schools are still required to teach state curriculum, so they're not exactly in a "free market" status. Also, the current healthcare system in the US is a cartel, not anything like a free-market.
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
@1000g2g3g4g800999 That's why this new plan introduced by Obama for Health care would be good, as it would force companies to offer a better alternative to the public option. Secondly, the reason that some public schools, esp. in inner city areas, perform badly compared to private schools is because of a LACK of funding, and poor teachers. If as, you sugest, they cut their budget, this would make education even worse for these students. Furthermore, even if, say only 25% of public students
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN Public schools have plenty of funding, it's just that much of it is squandered.
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
@1000g2g3g4g800999 And yet, this arguement has been used by republicans to cut state funding, and it still hasn't got anywhere.
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN Well, did you read the other comment?
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN Not sure what you mean here. Are you saying that they haven't managed to cut state funding? Well of course they haven't! Everyone loves getting to vote away their neighbor's stuff, and then using it how they want to after! If they don't submit to extortion, we lock them in a cage, and then we extort other people to feed those in the cage.
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
changed from public to private school, that would be over 350,000 extra places needed! They would have to build new classrooms, and somehow hire teachers that will be cheaper than public school but not worse?! And since many of these students will be poor, they would again, have to pay at least something towards the private school. No way in HELL, would the republicans make private school free for some people. Then you have to contend with food/transportation costs. It just wouldn't work.
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
You can keep the same teachers. Part of the reason public school costs more than private schools is because you are forced to pay for it. If they had to be funded on a voluntary basis, they would have to lower costs, improve quality of service, or improve the level of convenience to the customer some other way. If everyone must pay for a service, they charge more and provide an inferior service compared to what they'd do if people had to want the service. The state squanders money quite a bit.
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
@1000g2g3g4g800999 Didn't see this, but while the state is more bureaucratic than private sector, the private sector always has vested interests. E.g. to make a profit. The state has an interest to provide a good education so that students can go on to become taxpayers, but like with healthcare, the service is second behind money. Anyway, where are the stats that show it costs more to educate a public schooler than a private schooler? In the UK, private schools cost upwards of $4000 a term.
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN So the private sector's only motivation is profit, and the state never wants to accumulate money and power for itself? As for the stats: goldwaterinstitute(dot)org/article/1908
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN more stats: .capenet(dot)org/facts(dot)html
cato(dot)org/pub_display(dot)php?pub_id=11432
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
@1000g2g3g4g800999 I can't get either of those links to work. Anyway, the bottom line is this. You did not answer it. If we cut public school funding even more, it will be the poorer who suffer the most. This is indisputable. Just like healthcare, those who can afford it get the best health/ school care. The free market will perhaps go down in price, or it could go up, seeing as since demand skyrockets, and many children are forced to give vouchers for places, the private sector could abuse
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN Did you replace the "(dot)" with a "." in each instance? Also, I have more responses, including some questions. I suggest you read them in order.
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
@1000g2g3g4g800999 Also, just a nice story: mises(dot)org/daily/3250
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
their position. Thirdly, thousands of new private schools would have to be created, even converting public to private would take time. And it still does not change the unfortunate fact that there just aren't enough good teachers anywhere really. Changing to private would not do anything about that. Even homeschooling would never work on a large scale. All those books to buy for poorer kids, and they would have to have great teaching parents who don't work to educated them! I
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
@JonnyPxN The parents don't have to be the ones homeschooling, and I'm not sure why the conversion would take so much time. Just tell people to pay if the want to get in, have a voucher system for the poor, and stop using state force to take people's money.
1000g2g3g4g800999 9 months ago
@1000g2g3g4g800999 'll let you undoubtedly have the last say, because I am pretty bored of repeating myself.
JonnyPxN 9 months ago
I go through life in a happy-go-lucky way and I don't bother thinking about issues too much. All I have to do is find out what RepubliKKKans think and support and GO THE OPPOSITE WAY. I have NO IDEA how healthy school food is but if the RepubliKKKans want to cut it out then it is a terrible idea.
These guys care about nothing and nobody else. Any who oppose them are not Americans and hate the US.
So I don't need to worry analyzing things. I just follow the RepubliKKKans.
xhagast 10 months ago 9
So let me get this straight, when it comes to food and stuff that actually matters for school kids like getting an education and food in schools the government doesn't wanna bring out the cash and say it is the parents responsibility BUT these very same fuckwits will say "WE NEED TO CENSOR GAMING FOR OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE IT IS THE GAMING CORPORATION'S FAULT THAT KID PLAYED GRAND THEFT AUTO AND NOT THE PARENT WHO BOUGHT IT!" Give me a fucking break.
ThePrinceOfMoose 10 months ago
They want the kids uneducated because stupid ignorant people vote republican.
DreddDwarf 10 months ago
man all my school served was pizza, and it was the worst pizza ive ever had in my life~
EyEnOtgAy 10 months ago
oh lord. You pretty much dismantled her bullshit within the first minute. my thoughts exactly!
TheGoldenChile 10 months ago 6
"Riddle me this, fucktard" LOL
falcoperegrinus82 10 months ago
I can't believe these people are low enough to argue against school lunches. I'm sure they love the war on drugs too and the money sink that goes into feeding and housing and paying court fees to deal with non violent people. I wish ass rape on people like this. Brutal ass rape.
WitchygirrlR 10 months ago 2
@WitchygirrlR noo my friend---never wish ass rape on anyone....never do it
TheGreatDeciever55 10 months ago
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"Not all parents are able or willing to feed their kids.
Goes with that whole pro "life" bs.
Having tons of unwanted kids.
Though they are only prolife till the kid is born.
Then they could get cancer and they wouldn't give a fuck."
from shonem, love the comment!
iSuperN0VA 10 months ago
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I used to think like you...now that I have children, it is completely different. Let me be a parent. I don't need your/their help. Pretty soon they will tell me that my children can't bring their own food...oh wait, that already happened...WHATS NEXT!? This is called Fence Posting and the government does it everyday. Don't be a sucker.
TheUshman007 10 months ago
@TheUshman007 "Let me be a parent. I don't need your/their help."
then home school your children, because even sending them to a public school is accepting 'their help.'
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nero8289 10 months ago
@C0ct0pusPrime I was listening to NPR 2 months ago and the reason Medicare is so expensive? HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE due to poor eating habits.
classicallady 8 months ago
@C0ct0pusPrime - Their help? The state takes money from people and doles it back to them in a worse manner than how they would spend their money to their own accord. Even if one homeschools, they are still paying for the 'public' schools through taxes.
GeneralEAwesome 8 months ago
@C0ct0pusPrime
to be fair, the host seem reasonable this segment.
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@TheUshman007 They also control what your children hear, see, think, say, and wear when they go to school. Scary, huh?
DCStream 10 months ago
@DCStream yes it is scary and taking them out of school or putting them in a private school is out of the question. Public school was not designed to create political solders and if it is than as parents we need to speak up, but we are too busy trying to make ends meet. Just the way they (gov) wants it. Not only is it scary, it is sad. Same on the politicians. Same on me.
TheUshman007 10 months ago
@TheUshman007 I'm not writing that as a parent… I'm writing that as a (quite previously) student. If they want to change the food they serve, which is terrible, good on them. If parents want to change something they control, why not stop the prejudice against gay and lesbian students and teaching creationism in science classes. My American History textbook, in 2006, was so out of date 9/11 wasn't even mentioned.
There's things to change and fight; lunch isn't fucking one of them.
DCStream 10 months ago
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@TheUshman007
"I don't need your/their help"
Good, then the money could help those who DO need our help.
"Pretty soon they will tell me that my children can't bring their own food...oh wait, that already happened"
And if you're with a shred of honesty, you'd know we don't support this.
TurboDally 10 months ago
@TheUshman007 go ahead and kill your kids. Give them bacon and sausage everyday...With LOT'S of salt....You fucking retarded fat ass white trailer trash
classicallady 8 months ago
@classicallady I can see that public school has done wonders with your education. Wow, you are one angry person. You should really speak to someone about that.
I don't believe that the school should tell me what I should feed my kids, however that does not mean that I don't feed my kids well. I always tell my children to watch what they eat and I don't have junk food in my house. I don't need the school or anyone else for that matter to tell me what to do. White trailer trash?! Please....
TheUshman007 8 months ago
@TheUshman007 AMERICAN PUBLIC SCHOOLS? God forbid....I am an European...WHY do you think American kids are so ugly and FAT? Because you are ignorant and only obey to whatever bullshit they are program to . Meaning the right wing fringe who detests anything remotely poor and FAT...But they want you to keep this habit and vote for him...Ignorant turd....Go and attend a University will you?
classicallady 8 months ago
@classicallady European huh. Well honestly you should keep your option to your self since most of Europe is under a socialistic style government and the US is a Republic and your rules and beliefs are different. Hence the reason why we split from England in the first place. By your vulgar and distasteful English, I am sure that I would not want my children to be schooled by someone like you. I am not impressed nor intimidated by it. go away
TheUshman007 8 months ago
@TheUshman007 We do not want trash like you either meanwhile I live where I want because I can afford it. And i doubt your children will ever be able to speak 6 languages for we all know Americans like you do not believe in EDUCATION.Bye bye...wasted enough of my precious time with you. Planarian
classicallady 8 months ago
@classicallady Haha, here is a little lesson for you. There is a reason why most white fat uneducated middle aged men speak only one language. This is because we are number one in the world. We don't have to learn anything else because our slaves will assimilate to our needs. I have been to over 30 different countries and honestly they don't have shit on the USA! My State alone has more GDP than most European countries. #1 get it!
TheUshman007 8 months ago
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@TheUshman007 ---
"We don't have to learn anything else because our slaves will assimilate to our needs."
"#1 get it! "
Rofl.
underbjorn 8 months ago
who were them 2 guys?
cruelbusiness1984 10 months ago
oh man the amount of emotional appealing on these comments are sad. State worshipping atheists are just as dumb now as the christians they despise.
chorizo1337 10 months ago
@chorizo1337
So is it the Christian thing to do and let kids starve? Or go without healthcare? Is one of Jesus' commandment in order to be able to follow him is to keep all you "earn" and piss on poor kids because supporting disenfranchised kids and families to get an equal education and equal oportunity is a godless, socialist tyranny?
Did your Jesus condone "free market" capitalism and social injustice?
bohemianwriter1 10 months ago
@bohemianwriter1 You're the reason why Christians dont like Atheist. You think Christianity is wrong by your reasoning, even with bible scholars making good points. That doesnt mean it exists, but when you fuck around like that people only fucking hate you. You guys act so stupid and this is coming from a fucking former atheist.
Its not a christian thing, many christian organization provide food for the poor whether they believe in anything or nothing....damn.
DarPower1 10 months ago
@DarPower
I'll give you a little friendly advice. How about starting acting accordingly to the bible? How about actually starting to follow all the "godly" rules put out for you as in the old testament? And why are you making a pathetic attempt of showing the fault onto others while Christianity have been the dogma of the power mongering fat cats, enriching themselves at the cost of gullible idiots whom wollow in the BS talking points of a parrot whos only interest is profit?
bohemianwriter1 10 months ago
@DarPower1
I see the old Christian trait shining Fear
Hate
Greed
Hypocricy.
In order for you to call yourself a follower of Jesus, you MUST sell all you own, and give ALL your wealth to the poor. Jesus was pretty clear on that. But I'm sure that instead of putting your money where your mouth is, will rather blame me for your hatred toward Ahtiests whom are pointing out the falsehood of Christian "goodness". How much did Pat robertson give to the poor from his diamond & gold deals in Africa?
bohemianwriter1 10 months ago
@bohemianwriter1 If thats how you see it then you've been extremely mislead. As for my post, i poste once and you like three booksworth of shit man, jebus, calm down, kf you're that insecure and ignorant then obviously you wont listen when people supply logical statements, see throught whatever you want but when you boast like a child, people especially christains will fuck with you goddammit!
DarPower1 10 months ago
@DarPower1
I just love giving "Christians" a little lesson in ethics. But if you are non religious, sane, then I apologize.
The message I wrote is kinda hard to misunderstand or spin in any way you want it...
bohemianwriter1 10 months ago
@DarPower1
I hear a preacher once whom thought that the poor should starve. Since they apparently in his eyes were lazy and unworthy of having a "judeoChristian" capitallist society. Atheist families are being ostricised in their communities for being Atheists in the bible belt. I'm sure that your Jesus loves the Capitalist society more than honesty.
Christians don't like Atheists because Atheists, at least most of us have seen through the lies called religion.
bohemianwriter1 10 months ago
@DarPower1
So answer me this. Is it unchristian to have a communal safety net for the weak & the poor? I have yet to hear a bible scholar come with anything that resembles a reasonable argument, or demonstration of the existence of a god. Far less their own perception of god. When Christian conservatives argue for capitalism, and against welfare, universal HC, and whine about taxes, they are the antithesis of what I consider the most important message of Jesus: He despised the rich!
bohemianwriter1 10 months ago
@DarPower1
If Jesus would have by a miracle come back today, knowing what has been going on in "His" name, he would drag each and every money grubber whom are using their megachurches as cash cows, and stripped them of all dignity and wealth. He'd do the same with Wall Street, the bankers, and the military indutstry.
Wadda you think?
bohemianwriter1 10 months ago
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@bohemianwriter1 I Think you have no understanding of what you are talking about.
nero8289 10 months ago
I swear, I want to just go fucking medieval on these contard pigs. Yeah lets give billionaires tax cuts. Let's blow more than half the federal budget on motherfuckin crap Halliburton and Carlyl Group has convinced the military we need (but we fucking don't). How about we spend 700 billion on goldman nutsachs. Or I have a better idea, we tax give this asshole at gunpoint, a STFU and pay your taxes offer, and we go through with the school lunch program?
Newenlightenmentnow 10 months ago
There is no such this as a free lunch. I'm from Sweden and we pay alot of taxes but school children get hot meals in the school and I think it's great. Nobody can steal the lunch money if there is no lunch money.
Jordgubbe86 10 months ago
I really want to say that I love your commentary on these videos. I live in Texas and my school, unfortunately, has TVs in the cafeteria that broadcast Fox News. :(
darkrhenlitruu 10 months ago
@IABLOeLd Also private schools often deter students with special needs from attending them. So they have better scores because they refuse students who may actually be hard to teach. They also are known to inflate scores to please parents and to better advertise their schools. Its a sad day when private school is deemed better than a public school w/o considering the income of the parents and the community.
DarkMagus1985 10 months ago
Uhh.... I pay for my son's school lunch. He's in public school! Am I missing something??
fishdog666 10 months ago
Derp
Zentz29 11 months ago
I don't have time atm to listen to all of this, but...it is actually cheaper to invest in healthy food, than in junk food. I buy my own cuisine, and do so healthily just fine with my shitty income; that's a weak argument that it's because it's "cheaper" to eat unhealthy crap food instead of healthy food. Learn to shop better.
xDaemonIncarnate 11 months ago
@xDaemonIncarnate It is a fact that processed food which is heavy in processed vegetable oils, processed flour, sugars, and starches, is cheaper than a healthy diet with more vegetables and lean protein as well as higher quality grains and flours. To even claim that it's actually cheaper to eat healthy suggests to me that you either A. have a strange idea of what constitutes healthy, B. are not aware of these cheap and unhealthy options, or C. are trolling.
Garylisk 11 months ago
Hey 5 vs. 1, fair and balanced? That dumb bitch on the down-left side is such a bitch. All of them get paid by fox news to bash on kids who get warm meals. How low can fox news get? I remember how much I use to love school lunch. My parents were very poor and we had decent enough food at home, but I always loved the lunch in school. Republicans are against all of middle class, yet half of them are in the middle class. There is just so much confusion in their base on who is fighting for whom...
sh00008 11 months ago
@sh00008 You're very right! Republicans are in the business of making sure laws allow the wealthy to continue to be wealthy and get wealthier at the expense of the middle and lower classes. But the majority of voters are middle class. How do you convince people to vote for you when you are going to do harm to them? Easy! Convince them that what you're doing will ACTUALLY, through a contrived process such as trickle down economics, help them somehow! This is the job of outlets such as Fox News.
Garylisk 11 months ago
Christo you are apparently too simple minded to look at the big picture. Its not so simple. However I will let it slide since probably everyone but me will ignore your trolling ass.
Garylisk 11 months ago
@Garylisk I don't know what you are replying to, but I assure you, I am not trolling.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 I dunno, everything you've said here has been apparently misinformed, presumably by the private schools you praise, or your own inability or unwillingness to think critically and take data not from your personal experience, but from a pool of data over a broad area and time period. You also apparently don't know how the reduced/free lunch programs work, or how the lunch program in general works. It's not up to me to explain this to you. You should take some time and educate yourself.
Garylisk 11 months ago
@Garylisk I never said I knew the ins and outs of the school lunch program. What I said is that I am not against it, particularly for poor students. I also said that I don't support poor people paying for wealthy people. That is a general statement and is not specific. Private religious schools are very good in America, that is not even disputed by anyone, nor is the fact that they are cheaper than public schools. There is no debate about that. You should try educating YOURSELF.
christo930 11 months ago
@christo930 Ah, you don't know anything? Then STFU please.
Garylisk 11 months ago
@Garylisk Do you know how to read? Go fuck yourself.
christo930 11 months ago
Well the libyian war i dont think will last long, plus its not like we barged in, we were asked, but yeah the other wars are stupid
DarPower1 11 months ago
lol, you bastuuds
endthedisease 11 months ago
Rofl, here in Sweden we have free school lunch up til 12th grade.
Damn us socialists, I bet we should spend those millions on air bases in fucking Uzbekistan instead.
underbjorn 11 months ago 38
@underbjorn - Free lunch in Sweden? You're fucking retarded. You're so beyond stupid you actually believe, you actually try to make the argument that no one pays for anything they eat in Sweden. Food magically appears in Sweden and no one had to grow it, prepare it, package it, ship it, or serve it. You just have your Messiahs in Government miracle the food into existance. It's 100% free! Eat all you want! There is no end to the food in Sweden. And your Muslim Immigrants are peaceful 100% too!
thomaserossi 10 months ago
@thomaserossi ---
What do you think "free" implies, idiot? It means you as a citizen do not pay in direct transaction but collectively sponsor it through taxation.
Muslim immigrants are relevant how...? Stupid American, you are probably one of those extremists who think we are being overrun by them, my god what an uneducated idiot.
underbjorn 10 months ago
@underbjorn yeah i cant wait to pay high taxes when I finally get a job in sweden, if theres enough jobs that havent been raped to death by the taxes and recession
chorizo1337 10 months ago
@chorizo1337 ---
"if theres enough jobs that havent been raped to death by the taxes and recession"
What recession? Sweden's economy has grown very well as has most European economies the last quarter.
Here in Sweden, we didn't feel the U.S capitalist crash more than a fly landing on your arm.
underbjorn 10 months ago
@underbjorn actually sweden is running on printed money by your central banks and government expansion, there hasn't been any growth since 1991
chorizo1337 10 months ago
@chorizo1337 ---
Who hasn't been running on printed money, huh? You?
Everybody is on government-printed money, and while it could be good to go back to peg it to gold or some other resource, it sure as hell isn't going to stay good if we continue to rely on the United States dollar as a replacement.
underbjorn 10 months ago
@underbjorn - Capitalist crush? If you mean Crony Capitalist crush, then sure. But the current economic crisis was most definitely not caused by the free market.
/watch?v=d-oLOSnITmM
Basically, the crisis was caused by state manipulation of the housing market. Most socialists struggle to differentiate between the free market and crony capitalism. I've even heard some refer to agricultural subsidies and copyright laws as free market.
GeneralEAwesome 8 months ago
@GeneralEAwesome ---
"I've even heard some refer to agricultural subsidies and copyright laws as free market."
Ye I have even heard Americans call Nazism socialism.
The reason regarding agricultural subsidies as free market is that the most staunch defenders of subsidies for such worthless crap as homemade food and fuel are those that are bitching about the free market loudest.
underbjorn 8 months ago
@underbjorn - Check out fringeelements response to this video. The homemade lunch thing is not defended by shills for the homemade lunch sector, like you make it out to be, however, more funding for school lunches would actually go towards 'the corporations' who the state grants oligopolies over school lunches. I'm not extremely enraged over school lunches, it's just 'one more thing', like people promise... and it's just one more thing in the state clusterfuck which I'm paying for.
GeneralEAwesome 8 months ago
@GeneralEAwesome ---
Well you could call it state clusterfuck with the point at the state being to blame while I call the same clusterfuck corporate-run, the difference between corporate power in countries like the USSR and the United States is that in the USSR, the state had control over corporations, in the United States it's the other way around.
I don't remember saying anything about homemeade lunch in this particular discussion, maybe some months ago, but kids with no money for good lunch..
underbjorn 8 months ago
@underbjorn I envy Sweden.
xn117 10 months ago
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napoleonseven 10 months ago
@underbjorn
Is there some way Sweden will allow my girlfriend and I to join in on your system or am I stuck in corporate Jesusland forever?
mistacramer 10 months ago
@mistacramer ---
Sure join us before we become like Denmark and shuts down welfare for all immigrants until 5-year naturalization is through.
underbjorn 10 months ago
@underbjorn You should not even be taking that money.Is theft.
nero8289 9 months ago
@nero8289 ---
Uhm no, theft is illegal, taxation is not.
underbjorn 9 months ago
@underbjorn Lol, Just because a government says it is legal dose not make it right. Taxation is theft.It is taking something that belongs to one individual by force.That is theft.
nero8289 9 months ago
@nero8289 then you are a thief for using the police for protection while not wanting to pay for it. you think taxation is theft, fine, don't walk on the sidewalk or use traffic signals, or you're an accessory.
C0ct0pusPrime 9 months ago
@C0ct0pusPrime Taxation should be voluntary.Taxation is theft because they force us to pay. I am not opposed to my money going to police,firefighter,military because they are services that protect the rights of individuals. I am opposed to money going to other countries,to banks,or other failing businesses,or any other social services.
nero8289 9 months ago
@nero8289 ---
If I work in my sweat and blood to create items in a factory and the factory owner take all the profits, that is theft, but I don't hear you Americans whining about that.
Killing Usama bin Laden was cold-blooded murder, invading Iraq was a war of aggression and breaking international peace, Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo concentration camp are crimes against humanity etc etc, don't think your petty greed is worldwide accepted, taxation is right.
underbjorn 9 months ago
@underbjorn How is tacking profits theft? Theft is the taking of something by force. So, if the company you work for forces you to work there,and dose not pay you then yes that is wrong. FUCK Bin laden.
nero8289 9 months ago
@nero8289 ---
Haha just another stupid American. Taking profits is living on the work of somebody else, if I build a car in a factory, the profits shouldn't go to some manager, THAT is theft.
Taxation is redistribution of wealth, if you don't like it, move somewhere else.
"FUCK Bin laden."
yea ditto on your war criminals, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfield should by be hanged not to talk about that war mongering corruptor Bush.
underbjorn 9 months ago
@underbjorn Taking profits is not theft.profit is what is left over after expenses I.E paying your workers,cost of material the profit is what is left over after all of that,and that is what the owner takes home. Why should the government be allowed to take what is mine,and then give it to another individual? Exactly all of those you mentioned are criminals,and should be punished.
nero8289 9 months ago
@nero8289 ---
Yes they should be hanged they should.
Why should anybody be allowed to take a car I assembled, huh? Like in feudal times, why should anybody be allowed to take the crops I harvest or the fish I catch?
Due compensation should be set with regard to the one doing the actual labour, not the lazy thug sitting with the money.
underbjorn 9 months ago
@underbjorn - The manager of a firm is not a thief. They provide value to a firm, being the manager... they manage it. They build up the capital to start the firm, and they shoulder the risk should the firm fail. You can have your little Marxist kibbutz within a free-market stateless society, whereas I cannot form a stateless free-market within a state, simply saying "MOVE!" is retarded, as virtually all hospitable land within the world has been claimed by states who 'use' only a fraction of it.
GeneralEAwesome 8 months ago
@GeneralEAwesome ---
"and they shoulder the risk should the firm fail" Wrong, limited liability for the top directors whilst the workers get unemployed and lose livelihoods.
"virtually all hospitable land within the world has been claimed by states who 'use' only a fraction of it."
Wrong, it's claimed by commercial corporations under state sovereignity, polluted, toxicated, wasted and brutalized by for-profit groups.
underbjorn 8 months ago
@underbjorn - No... most of the hospitable land in the world has been claimed by states. I'm not sure why you are disputing this. The current model of 'The Corporation' is not a free-market one, it hides behind the state and does things which would not fly on a free market. It bribes THE STATE to hide behind it's idealogical cloak. The entire world is under the chaotically presupposed legislation of a cartel of states, and when they are bribed and allowed to fuck over people, you blame it on...
GeneralEAwesome 8 months ago
@GeneralEAwesome ---
"It bribes THE STATE to hide behind it's idealogical cloak."
So why do you blame the state, which passively accepts, more than the corporations which actively bribes?
I blame it on what is called the free market of today.
The current market is as much a free market as the Soviet Union was communist, you can debunk the "free" in free market as anybody can bash the USSR for it's nonc-ommie tendencies, still all call the Soviet Union communist.
underbjorn 8 months ago
@underbjorn - the free market... which we do not have. I do not want to explain the intricacies of polycentric law, so I'll link a video.
/watch?v=ylXAhyDZhZ4
Pollution in a stateless free market is dealt with as a property violation. In a free market, McDonalds may, theoretically, send out a bunch of McTroops to fuck you over, but they would get killed and boycotted, so they would not do this. However, in statism, they may use the state to grant them subsidies and barriers to entry.
GeneralEAwesome 8 months ago
@GeneralEAwesome ---
Taking libertarianism to the utter extreme isn't really any more practical than the utopian Communist Society.
Even still, your imagination is ridiculous here, McDonalds may send McTroops? Aren't they already?
Why would they care if some millions of people boycot them as long as the purchasing power of 10 billionaire customers outweighs the millions of boycotters?
underbjorn 8 months ago
@underbjorn - No, it is more practical. While it is most definitely a very long term goal which would require a shift in the populace's opinion, it doesn't require people do behave irrationally, like most forms of Utopian socialism, which supposes that people would contribute with little incentive to do so. No, my imagination is not getting ridiculous. Now, McDonalds can lobby the state to impose rules which would not fly on a free market, and people just accept it because "THE STATE!!!!".
GeneralEAwesome 8 months ago
@GeneralEAwesome ---
If there is one thing that is irrational, it's the idea of a free market.
It's a nobrainer to see that teh free market demands of a rational individual full knowledge of alternatives to purchasing a product, the real cost of the product, the real cost oft he alternatives, a fucking inner super-calculator in every financial action you take.
underbjorn 8 months ago
@underbjorn - No, it doesn't require individuals to become nuclear physicists or anything like that, but if people value safe, high-quality products enough, then they may simply seek reviews for the products. Individuals can generally make economic decisions much better than a state can because people KNOW what they want, whereas state entities controlling peoples' lives struggle to calculate even the basics. It's why there were absurd shortages and surpluses in the USSR.
GeneralEAwesome 8 months ago
@GeneralEAwesome ---
The individual has no oversight of the society as a whole, I don't believe anybody, employer or otherwise, should decide over personal life details.
Actual free market capitalism demands from a rational individual to be consequent which they never are, such perversions as what Americans call "brand loyalty" and misleading advertisement for f.e a jacket that costs 4 dollars to produce and 400 dollars to buy is the complete opposite of anything close to "rational"
underbjorn 8 months ago
@underbjorn - Under state communism, it is irrational for any one person to do extra work because the 'profits' (GASP!) would be so diffuse throughout the entire state, that it wouldn't be worth the effort (bar re-enforcement and the gulags). It is irrational for any member of the state to work towards efficiency for the same reason. Communitarianism can work in small societies because people actually value those around them and gains are concentrated. Look up "Dunbar's Number".
GeneralEAwesome 8 months ago
@GeneralEAwesome ---
There is no such thing as true state communism, the Communist Manifesto was written in staunch opposition to absolute and eternal government control and a mega tax burden on the working class whilst the nobility and clergy (Later exchanged to corporate slaveowners) lived in ridiculous decadence.
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Anywho, that is what happens today as well, with patent law, companies get a complete monopoly on such essentials as AIDS medicine, it's just absurd.
underbjorn 8 months ago
You do your camp gay voice way too well Coc-man :4)
Illuminatiprimus 11 months ago
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metalicboy 11 months ago
I go to middle school I pay $2.50 for a fucking juice box, 6 chicken nuggets, and a milk. 6 cents a lunch my ass. My parents fucking spend $450 a year. So I suggest all this tax shit fucking starts making my fucking lunch less than my school bill per year. I pay less to go to school than to pay for lunch
KillCapjohns 11 months ago
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Tr0llinator 11 months ago
Damn socialists...feeding our kids. If I want my newborn son to dumpster dive, than thats MY choice.
Flailwielder 11 months ago