@TheIrish39 when you finished riding coc and start riding a bike you might understand I was paying Millar a compliment. This comment by one of his old amateur team mates in the early days in Scotland was actually chosen to be reproduced by RM himself in the edition of Procycling dedicated to his career. Clearly appeals to mine and his sense of humour but baffles the hell out of rse bandits like you. Go play with your catatmite.
One final item perhaps worthy of note, general issue PY-10 FC bicycles for model year 1983 lacked any form of decals on either their down tube or seat tube as opposed to Peugeot-Shell-Michelin team bikes from that year such as Millar's which actually sported a precursor of sorts to the decal scheme offered for public consumption as of model year 1984.
The primary difference between the Peugeot PY-10 FC and/or the CY-10 C (...the latter being a designation for bikes sold a frameset only whereas the former was the appellation for those offered as a complete bike) which one could order from their local dealer as opposed to any number of other branded Ateliers de la Rive Vitus Carbone 3 offerings from that era was the presence of additional aluminum collars at each of the joints associated with the main tubes.
That would be a 1983 Peugeot-Shell-Michelin team issue PY-10 FC which is basically a contemporary Vitus Carbone 3 frameset modified to Peugeot specifications consisting of three carbon fiber main tubes inserted and thermally bonded into alloyed aluminum lugs (...albeit genuine team bikes were also pinned at their bottom bracket in addition to being glued) and then mated to aluminum alloy rear stays, in conjunction with a standard Vitus 979 aluminum alloy fork.
this was the first tour i saw at 10 years old....all these years later i still love the sport i follow it year after year....i miss the old days though in the way people raced more...even though i myself was never a climber when i race..they seem to facinate me the most...to see how bettini just jumps on hills and people stand up but they dont go forward...thats wondeerful...i have to say for UK im proud of thier mark cavindish jesus that kid is amazing, millar was great what a climber.
1983 was a very exciting Tour with a lot of wild stage finishes and gaps of minutes. Millar lost ten minutes on the cobbles, but made almost all of it up in the mountains. Millar, Anderson or Roche could have won that Tour had the powerful Peugeot team given up on Simon when he was done and supported them. Instead Fignon sneaked to victory.
Robert was one of the best climbers ever. A treat to watch.
Oh come on, Millar is one of my favourite cyclists ever but he could never have won that Tour. Have you people forgotten how hopeless he was at time trialling round 1982-83? There was more than 23 minutes between Fignon and Robert on the Champs-Elysées and this cannot only be explained by the cobbles and the Pascal Simon debacle. BTW, Anderson didn"t ride that well during that Tour and he certainly wasn't much of a help to SImon.
Because Millar is known as a climber there's a common misconception that he couldn't time trial. Fact is he could hold his own on a TT better than Fignon could climb. The best measure of this would probably be Villefrance 1984. Fignon road the TT of his life, and took less than three mins out of Millar over 51km. Millar took 4 mins 23 out of Fignon on this stage and Fignon had a team riding for him. In the 92 TDF Millar beat Fignon by over 10 minutes in the GC....
By 1992 Fignon wasn't Fignon anymore, he was Bugno's domestique deluxe or somethin'... But then I agree that Robert in his mid1980s prime could time trial when he was in the mood.... Remember that brilliant ride he did in Nantes in the 86 TDF? Problem is Millar's time trialling was largely a hit-and-miss affair (erm... Strasbourg 1985, anyone?) whereas Hinault, LeMond and Fignon could perform any given day.
You know I didn't mean to diss R.Millar. I have so much admiration for him and back in the day I was about 15-16, a real fan and I wore a little gold star in my left ear... But no, Robert NEVER was a contender for the yellow jersey in 1983. If you want to discuss the stage races he should have won, obviously there's the 1985 Vuelta with that infamous combination of bad luck, abyssal team management and Spanish unsportsmanship but actually there are more... I'm a Millar nerd so don't start me...
millar was in the best shape of his life 83-85...he had a few bad teams though..fagor i recall was run poorly according to yaes and millar..and we all recall le groupment...millar should have won more..physically he had the talent and the stature..and the endeniable power on climbs but it just seemd he couyndt summon up all these forces together at once..i think he was a shy guy seemd to rather do the climbing than be a boss of a team "almost to nice to be leader:" hampsten too
he went up like he had a motor on his bike,unreal!!! robert you legend!!
calistu67 7 months ago 2
i remember this like it was yesterday,theres only one robert millar.
amk68sco 9 months ago 5
Legend, the best stage racer the country has ever produced.
01ianca 10 months ago
What a pro!
tjmacjee 10 months ago
La petite souris
strummerocks 1 year ago
Put some contecx to your quote - if indeed anyone would accept your explanation.
Do you realise homophobia is a crime? I am emailing your comments to those who are better suited to dealing with filth.
TheIrish39 1 year ago
@slickedmachine . You pompous , low-class, idiotic cretin.
TheIrish39 1 year ago
@TheIrish39 when you finished riding coc and start riding a bike you might understand I was paying Millar a compliment. This comment by one of his old amateur team mates in the early days in Scotland was actually chosen to be reproduced by RM himself in the edition of Procycling dedicated to his career. Clearly appeals to mine and his sense of humour but baffles the hell out of rse bandits like you. Go play with your catatmite.
slickedmachine 1 year ago
A perfect win
soobeng 1 year ago
@WARaxlyerin
no eres digno de lamer las pelotas de Rober Millar... y no es un chiste
truebrit38 1 year ago
"As a cyclist he was exceptional, as a human being a dead loss"
Therefore a man to aspire to.
slickedmachine 1 year ago
@slickedmachine Said whom? Someone he didn't want to be new best friend to?
PerignonPop 1 year ago
ocleirigh86 (...reply 3 of 3),
One final item perhaps worthy of note, general issue PY-10 FC bicycles for model year 1983 lacked any form of decals on either their down tube or seat tube as opposed to Peugeot-Shell-Michelin team bikes from that year such as Millar's which actually sported a precursor of sorts to the decal scheme offered for public consumption as of model year 1984.
SlothKatz 1 year ago
ocleirigh86 (...reply 2 of 3),
The primary difference between the Peugeot PY-10 FC and/or the CY-10 C (...the latter being a designation for bikes sold a frameset only whereas the former was the appellation for those offered as a complete bike) which one could order from their local dealer as opposed to any number of other branded Ateliers de la Rive Vitus Carbone 3 offerings from that era was the presence of additional aluminum collars at each of the joints associated with the main tubes.
SlothKatz 1 year ago
ocleirigh86 (...reply 1 of 3),
That would be a 1983 Peugeot-Shell-Michelin team issue PY-10 FC which is basically a contemporary Vitus Carbone 3 frameset modified to Peugeot specifications consisting of three carbon fiber main tubes inserted and thermally bonded into alloyed aluminum lugs (...albeit genuine team bikes were also pinned at their bottom bracket in addition to being glued) and then mated to aluminum alloy rear stays, in conjunction with a standard Vitus 979 aluminum alloy fork.
SlothKatz 1 year ago
What an amazing acceleration Millar puts in at 0.13 there to drop Jiminez.
EMC2Scotia 2 years ago
Does anyone know what model of bike Peugeot used during the '83 Tour de France?
ocleirigh86 2 years ago
Please see comments 1 through 3 posted above (...broken into segments due to YouTube's imposition of a 500 character limitation).
SlothKatz 1 year ago
@SlothKatz I see... Nice one, thank you
ocleirigh86 1 year ago
this was the first tour i saw at 10 years old....all these years later i still love the sport i follow it year after year....i miss the old days though in the way people raced more...even though i myself was never a climber when i race..they seem to facinate me the most...to see how bettini just jumps on hills and people stand up but they dont go forward...thats wondeerful...i have to say for UK im proud of thier mark cavindish jesus that kid is amazing, millar was great what a climber.
sprintbass 2 years ago
PURE STEEL.
lingopresley 2 years ago
If only Peugeot made road bikes again :/
precisionbizzle 2 years ago 2
Every so often I'll see a beautiful old one around campus that some kid is trashing as a commuter bike . . .
sjl62 2 years ago
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freak000111 2 years ago
Great video quality. Thanks for sharing.
1983 was a very exciting Tour with a lot of wild stage finishes and gaps of minutes. Millar lost ten minutes on the cobbles, but made almost all of it up in the mountains. Millar, Anderson or Roche could have won that Tour had the powerful Peugeot team given up on Simon when he was done and supported them. Instead Fignon sneaked to victory.
Robert was one of the best climbers ever. A treat to watch.
CyclingVault 2 years ago
Oh come on, Millar is one of my favourite cyclists ever but he could never have won that Tour. Have you people forgotten how hopeless he was at time trialling round 1982-83? There was more than 23 minutes between Fignon and Robert on the Champs-Elysées and this cannot only be explained by the cobbles and the Pascal Simon debacle. BTW, Anderson didn"t ride that well during that Tour and he certainly wasn't much of a help to SImon.
MickHaines 2 years ago
You're no fun. ;-(
zenmachinefilms 2 years ago
Because Millar is known as a climber there's a common misconception that he couldn't time trial. Fact is he could hold his own on a TT better than Fignon could climb. The best measure of this would probably be Villefrance 1984. Fignon road the TT of his life, and took less than three mins out of Millar over 51km. Millar took 4 mins 23 out of Fignon on this stage and Fignon had a team riding for him. In the 92 TDF Millar beat Fignon by over 10 minutes in the GC....
Sadsms 2 years ago
By 1992 Fignon wasn't Fignon anymore, he was Bugno's domestique deluxe or somethin'... But then I agree that Robert in his mid1980s prime could time trial when he was in the mood.... Remember that brilliant ride he did in Nantes in the 86 TDF? Problem is Millar's time trialling was largely a hit-and-miss affair (erm... Strasbourg 1985, anyone?) whereas Hinault, LeMond and Fignon could perform any given day.
MickHaines 2 years ago
You know I didn't mean to diss R.Millar. I have so much admiration for him and back in the day I was about 15-16, a real fan and I wore a little gold star in my left ear... But no, Robert NEVER was a contender for the yellow jersey in 1983. If you want to discuss the stage races he should have won, obviously there's the 1985 Vuelta with that infamous combination of bad luck, abyssal team management and Spanish unsportsmanship but actually there are more... I'm a Millar nerd so don't start me...
MickHaines 2 years ago 2
you are right...
millar was in the best shape of his life 83-85...he had a few bad teams though..fagor i recall was run poorly according to yaes and millar..and we all recall le groupment...millar should have won more..physically he had the talent and the stature..and the endeniable power on climbs but it just seemd he couyndt summon up all these forces together at once..i think he was a shy guy seemd to rather do the climbing than be a boss of a team "almost to nice to be leader:" hampsten too
sprintbass 2 years ago
i am sure millar could have won the tour if the peugeot team had really supported him fully.
patlaws 2 years ago
Fantastic! I am currently reading his book and it mentions this stage. I have never seen it before.
taita999 3 years ago
What great memories- such a brilliant climber, my favourite cyclist.
mizofan 3 years ago
What an entrance to his first Tour!!
aldit1966 3 years ago
Amazing ride!! It's a real pity he didn't win a 'big tour', he came very close on several occasions.
colmmagoo 3 years ago 2
great stuff
localfox1000 3 years ago
magic!
johnypebs 4 years ago 2
great !!
agrfan 4 years ago
Thanks for posting :)
chickasmith 4 years ago