wing chun is so bullshit because what they teach you and tell you is a fantasy to make you believe in the power of the system and overestimate the system. its like a fucking cult. most martial arts are but this is one of the worst ive seen. fighting really isnt complicated. as humans we can punch, kick, knee, elbow, headbutt, grapple etc. if you train these strikes 10 thousand times and spar full contact every week you'll win most fights. whereas these wc guys are deluded and overanalyzing it.
youre all just stupid. when will you wake up and realize that just because something works and seems controlled and logical in a demonstration or against a willing partner, DOESNT mean it will pan out that way in a live pressure situation. what you see right here is the reality. this is closer to what you will get on the streets.
really it isnt the technique or looking like of wing chung that gets me because i know that kung fu vs kung fu will look slopy and a fight wont turn out the way you want them to its the common misconception made by movies. what gets me makin the "guhh" face is that there is a lack of contol in theses matches. it looks like know one fully understands the full knowldge of there technique causing them to relax creating control.....smh im done
this guys are amateurs!no matter what style are you doing no matter how good you are on it you need a great amount of practice so you will put your technics inside your real fighting or on sparring!its the pressure that you must control first so you will make your psychology ready to use your techincs! on a amatuer fight you dont need to win but to try and use as much as of your techincs you can!
I'd like to see how all those people who say there is "no technique" in these fights look when they under real pressure and the attacks are coming fast and furious. Besides, these are all beginner students. What do you expect?
Just looks like a bunch of kids learning some basic Wing Chun stances for about a month and then just putting them in a ring together and telling them to fight. They panic and don't have enough knowledge of Wing Chun practical techniques to put into action so they just do anything to survive. This is why Wing Chun has soft sparring such as Chi Sao. A student of Wing Chun needs to understand and practice alot as slowly as possible before techniques can really be used.
I see wing chun, it's just masked. They aren't paying much attention. Whether they use techniques or not, wing chun will improver their fighting skills.
No offense intended but where's the Wing Chun? I don't see any Wing Chun here at all! This is nothing but unskilled people flailing their arms about and crashing into eachother. If this is the type of "Wing Chun" taught by Boztepe and Leung Ting proteges, you can KEEP IT. I wonder where I can learn the REAL thing (i.e. Wong Shun Leung lineage). Hmmmm.....
@typhon3808@typhon3808 By the "Real" thing I assume you're referring to Yip family Wing Chun also. "Real" Wing Chun isn't about lineage. It is open to change as long as the change is intelligent and considered through practice in real life fights not just sparring.
If your definition of the "REAL" thing refers to the Yip families' Wing Chun, then you can learn it in Hong Kong from many Sifu's that practice under the guidance of Yip Chun and Yip Ching (Man's two sons).
Im sorry but this is just some drunken street fighting that we all se in the pub every saturday, Get a sifu and get some filosofy training, its not all about fighting, wing chun is self defence, and not to atack. / Shifu M.
Wing Chun movements are structurally designed to be faster and more energy efficient than other martial arts. Using the center line principle incorporated with the techniques and proper body movement is the core of Wing Chun and substituting it for random uncoordinated punches against a skilled WC artist will result in wasted movement and a lot of pain.
This is what happens when you try to make the Leung Ting/Boztepe "Wing Chun" work in full contact conditions, it goes out the window cos it cant compete with brawling (it can only compete with its self)
@Donkyfishy are you joking? WC is perfect as a street style, personaly I win everytime. As Bruce Lee sad "It's not the style which counts, but the fighter".
Never said WC was rubbish for streets, I train Wing Chun, its great. But this aint it, this is people learning the broken WC taught at the Mc dojo's and 'mixing' it with boxing etc so that it 'works' at full contact. If you learned actual WC then your lucky, regardless if it was what I call good or rubbish, if you made it work for you then great. Ps. I agree with your/bruce's statement.
excellent...priceless experience....not only drills in clubs but fighting and sparring is what gives u the experience...I like it no matter if it looks like wing chun or not... main thing is that if u use the principles...!!!
@theawakener7 lol i don't show boat. even if i have videos of myself beating up some noob doesn't prove anything. The only way you will find out is by sparring me in the ring. So yes we can argue nonstop here but the only way is in person. My pets will probably submission you anyways and that's the truth ahaha
@theawakener7 i called you an idiot because you are one. Anything in "life" needs to basics. BASICS = Style. It is what you do "after" you MASTER all the "basics" or "styles" is what turns you into a champion. I do not need to call you names to know that I win this argument. In order for Silva Anderson to be a Champion he has to start somewhere? He has to learn 1 style at a time. You can not disgerard styles because they are the basics.
@theawakener7 so let me ask you... what's sugar ray leanard, mohammid ali or even silva anderson? You think its styless brawling? You are an idiot. These guys train in boxing, jiu jitsu, muay thai... these are all styles. You think they learn how to be champions by brawling free style with no training? wow, dude... calling people delusional but you have no explanation of how and expert becomes an expert.
@ThePtno1 how does this show wing chun doesn't work when wing chun isn't even applied? Where's the redirection, trapping, kick entry, etc? This video is just outright brawling.
@shuyin131 yea but they tried to apply it and it went out the window wen things got messy. i understand that gloves put them at a disadvantage but i have yet to see win chun being used in a practical or real life situation. until i do I will stick with my opinion. funny thing is; i realy like wc and would love to learn it but wat puts me off is the fact that it doesnt look practical. i hope im wrong. i might try it to see. ive seen som wc in mma. same thing hapend
@shuyin131 and also why doesnt at least 1 fighter try to control the fight with wc moves. a wc fighter shd be able to handle an outright street brawler. maybe i shd take back my previous coment and say that if they were better wc fighters we could have seen somthing different. i think som wc masters shd step into the mma game and be allowed to fight how they want as long as opponent agrees!
@ThePtno1 No WC was applied therefore it's not WC. I can tell you as a martial artist in general, that when you *first* step into a combat situation, you throw it out of the window because you want to do what is natural to you. These guys are kids, one day they'll be good enough to apply WC in combat but it takes experience and a lot of practice. You can't tell WC works or not through a video.
I love how the traditional stances are adhered to at the start of the fights, and then when all hell breaks loose (like in a real fight), it turns into absolute chaos. I've trained and hold ranks in Wing Chun, TKD, Aikido, and BJJ. By far, BJJ has been the most effective and complete martial art. Anyone who doubts it, simply find a reputable BJJ school and try it yourself.
@theawakener7 Why are you still attacking, and insulting me? All I was trying to do was to humbly remove myself from a pointless and prideful argument. You have no power to say who is a Christian and who isn't. I read the 1st scripture and that is why I backed down, regardless of your less than favorable tone I looked at the bigger picture in the scripture. I don't owe you anything not an answer to humor your request, nothing. I am not a Christian yet, just one in training, but I am trying....
@theawakener7 You should really google "Victor Valle Boxing" before you assume that you know everything. You'll then see that my family has over 100 years(and counting) experience training champion fighters. I also have no insecurities when it comes to defending myself in the street. I've actually had more than several street fights growing up in the in the Bronx. Egostism is what you are displaying thinking you know it all. I am a trainee Christian, but I do have a past(pretty recent actually).
What's up? @theawakener7 Ummm, I'm not sure if you read my post properly. I used the word "some", as in "some traditional asian arts". Your being a wise ass is completely unecessary. I'm simply talking about he loss of form standing up, for example arms flailing about, the randomness of strikes, the lack of rythym and structure, horrible mechanics, etc, etc. Everyone has their weaknesses, you just have less time to figure out an experienced striker's(in a street fight).
@theawakener7 I have to disagree. I think its just something about some traditional asian arts that loses some technique during application or real life situations. However Boxing, Muay Tai, Jiu Jitsu and Taekwondo fighters usually mantain their form and movements even during street fights and that's a fact. It really depends on how much muscle memory is created from training.
Ok .... I've been looking for this.... everyone that does Wing Chun .... don't live in the ilusion that your technic will be solid because your Chi Sau or one point, two point or three point drills seem as good as the Ip Man film. Things are very different when two people are going at eachother with actual intent. I think we all pay too much attention to Drills and Chi Sau and not enouth attention to how we put WIng Chun into our sparing.
Ok .... I've been looking for this.... everyone that does Wing Chun .... don't live in the ilusion that your technic will be solid because your Chi Sau or one point, two point or three point drills seem as good as the Ip Man film. Things are very different when two people are going at eachother with actual intent. I think we all pay too much attention to Drills and Chi Sau and not enouth attention to how we put WIng Chun into our sparing.
There are a lot of people saying "low skill"/ "it's just brawling"... Have you ever actually seen a real fight, in the street? They are messy and intent/aggression can easily outweigh skill that doesn't have that intent.
Real fights don't look like a movie, a form, or light sparring. I'm always really pleased to see a TMA school take a real approach, it might not look pretty but it's a damn site more effective to learn what works and what doesn't.
@lBurt0n Yeah, but it's not in a street, it's in a ring, and therefore comparable to other ring sports when we're looking at the technique demonstrated. And a lot of these fighters have the technique of the average NHL player, or Don Frye. Just hitting each other doesn't make you better,you gotta apply what you've learned from it. I mean, around the 1:00 mark, there's a guy punching his opponent in the legs while getting clinch kneed. That's just... bad.
Wing Chun is totally a Southern Style, distilling principles found in most Southern styles and relying on relatively few universal principles and techniques with countless applications. This is more like wing chun practiotioners doing San Da style matches. Wing Chun is for bare knuckle fights, advanced level training is a lot of wooden dummy and drilling on how to gain upper hand when the arms connect with an opponent. Good fighters are few but vicious.
almost zero wing chun technique just street brawling. although wing chun is a street fighting art there still is alot of skill involved in the moves something these guys clearly dont have...
Some styles are built more around natural movements, and thus don't seem to vary a great deal in combat, but ask any MA person whether MMA or not, and they can not perform nothing like they train against real attacking opponent.
They are many good reaction and many sloppy reaction.
Personally I say give up the fucking name, logo, or style, and learn and fight.
@eskimode im glad someone said it. i wish that they would stop knuckle heads from teaching this style. either that who is teaching the knuckleheads from the giddy up.
@terror2002 Well the wing chun vs kickboxing dude vid seemed a lil bit on the friendly sparring side and you can tell the kickboxer did some tkd but he didn't know how to set up anything. The wing chun guy disable the other guy by kick quickly and keeping him at bay.
Most vids on youtube of martial art sparring each other are usually not on the same level. Bad Example.
tillerbear I train in mma and wing chun prevails much more than my jujitsu and kick boxing. It works very well in the cage. However, I will agree that I find most wing chuners lack the real understanding of the art. look up Carlosn Gracies and Sifu Kwok
Looks more like Ground Fighting....Most fights end up on the Ground....may I suggest JIU-JITSU, or some basic Wrestling, in the training. Just a thought...
Whenever someone post a Wing Chun sparring Video there's hundreds of comments underneath going
'Hey thats not the Real Wing Chun!!!'
Wing chun looks like this under pressure because IT DOES'NT WORK!! The theory colapses under pressure and it just turns into a slapfest. This is why most WC/WT schools dont spar and just stick with the flashy looking drills.
LOL...where was the wing chun??? It look exactly like what MMA preaches...ground and pound...or clinch and knee...the only wing chun portion was the on guard position aka asking hand and a front push kick.
But then again, from what i understand a lot of wing chun schools don't have much sparring, if any, so it's no shock that these "wing chun practioners" would look like this is their sparring sessions were down to a minimum...
in der realität bleibt eben nur die wirklich funktionierende technik über...man muss natürlich auch sagen das dort nur wtler kämpfen und die wissen was kommen könnte
interessant wäre mal ein wtler gegen einen kämpfer der sich nicht mit wt auskennt.....der wer sicher überrascht
As others have already stated it is clearly not Wing Chun. However, if it is a brutal fight-to-win combat rather than betterment of technique then wearing those gloves disables almost anything related to Wing Chun (a primarily open hand martial art).
Any good Wing Chun practitioner would have been able to disarm most of those grapple moves - but with gloves it becomes a whole lot harder.
I think the title description pretty much sum it up.
Bullshit. Any hand position in Wing Chun can be formed in MMA gloves, and it's easy to hit with palms. You're pulling arguments out of your ass.
And show us evidence of these "good Wing Chun practitioners defending against real grapplers - BJJ players, judoka, wrestlers. Not against other WC guys who can't grapple.
I'll just say they really aren't good at this yet... they haven't applied the basics enough to the point where it becomes technique. The reason Muay Thai or Judo or Jiujitsu fighters look totally different is because all they know is basics. More complex arts like Wing Chun and most other chinese martial arts take decades before you can apply everything correctly. Any fighter of any art for any length of time will agree.
If you think Judo and Jujutsu isent technical then maby you need to come back to this world... There is alot of technique in them, esspecially the ground fighting. The best moves in wingchun are basics. Streight punches, and front kick... Whats so complex??? Wingchun was made for brawling, it is primarily a street fighting cheap shot live or die art. In HongKong most the gangs use wingchun. They use modified brawling, hence, when in dout, move farward into the centerline chainpunching...
exactly...watch the demos for wing chun or tai chi or w.e and tha watch this right after...and it just looks like a school yard brawl....watch muay thai or judo or jiu jitsu and they look exactly like their taught
youre talking crap man....just take any kind of karate...when these guys are beating ech other up i can´t see any block or somehthing.. in a real fight it doesnt works anyway..and i fought against karate guys....there technics are mostly worthless...at most it looks like a cheap form of boxing style....out of this....every real fight is dynamic and in this video they are training the right way, because you can see there what realy works
im sorry but wushu just sux. i kno its a strong word but i just find no point in it, muay thai and jiu jitsu and judo etc their all the tightest and most technical martial arts ,,,, sry
mmm However, The base stance looked like wing chun, but the way they where punching (not doing it right), they added grappling moves, submission, knee, and other random moves that have nothing to do with wing chun.. This looks more like Mixed martial arts with a wing chun stance. Thats about it. But the brutality level was about right.
you cannot claim to know 'THE DEADLIEST' art until you can master all arts and void them of their weaknesses witch they all have and which is impossible. wing chun is phenomanly brutal but i dare say not the deadliest.
@Transatlanticism04 If you'd read any of my other comments you'd realise I am in reality an articulate adult. And if you knew me personally, you'd know I'm far from a fan of Family Guy.
Back to the point. The delivery system of Wing Chun falls apart under pressure, so regardless of who your teacher might be, the delivery system you use under real pressure will not resemble Wing Chun in any form.
Also chain punching is crap,you can not generate enough power to do damage. However i do believe in straight punching,just not chaining! Stance in wing chun is shit aslo... lol i could go on about the pos and negs all day! Sorry for the family guy comment!
@Transatlanticism04 Wait, was the comment directed at me at all? Or were you agreeing with me while berating me at the same time? Now I'm just confused...
hmm my 1st post didnt show,you got the second half,weird! I agree and disagree.. I think wing chun has a couple of good things in it. For the most part i agree it doesnt work against under pressure.
The reason for that is it is taught wrong..
Things like forms,chi sao dont help you too much when you got a guy swinging at you like he wants to take your head off.
wing chun?? umm ok... these guys are just learing shit. wing chun is good if you find the right instructor. Any martial art is good if taught properly! 52sec hahahahaha
I think the problem is, if this is what a fight is, you would be better prepared with boxing, BJJ, and the regular stuff that's now available. Certainly the guys who end up on the bottom seem completely unprepared.
They're doing it completely wrong. Trying to use WC but with the wrong mind-set. Amateurs, barely learning how to make a fist, trying to fight like masters.
Show us some of your masterful Wing Chun dispatching boxers, nak muay, judoka, wrestlers, BJJ players and kyokushin karateka, and then maybe you'll set the way for your style to be treated with more than contempt from real combat athletes.
@quagmire1807 What criticisms? Whatever nonsense other people want to talk is their business, and I'm a little too busy to be playing who's sensei/sifu/coach can but up who's, so maybe you should go find another playmate :O
seems to me when youve trained for a year or two most hard sparring ends up looking like a mad cross between different styles. in these guys i could see wing chun, muay thai, brazilian jiu jitsu and traditional kung fu. doing the best they can in a frenetic situation. all martial arts can learn from each other bruce lee had the right idea.
southern shaolin and the styles that have grown from that (hung gar, choy gar, mok gar,li gar and lau gar) is what i was refering to. but most sparring early on looks the same. these guys look like they have heart, spirit and enjoy what they are doing.
IT IS WING CHUN, just because its not calm and steady as its supposed to be doesnt mean its not wing chun. But I do agree that they ignore core principals of the art that may seem like a CHEAPER version of wing chun
why is it that certain ppl complain that ''traditional'' arts such as wing chung are bad cuz they don't spar or train alivness but when they do spar, the same ppl still complain about it. I give them prop for training alivness
This is NOT WC. Now say that 100xs, quite your "WC" class, and join a proper MMA class!
SurveyofFilmMusic 3 weeks ago
and i dont care what fucking master preaches it but punching purely from the shoulder is just plain stupid
IRaaave 2 months ago
wing chun is so bullshit because what they teach you and tell you is a fantasy to make you believe in the power of the system and overestimate the system. its like a fucking cult. most martial arts are but this is one of the worst ive seen. fighting really isnt complicated. as humans we can punch, kick, knee, elbow, headbutt, grapple etc. if you train these strikes 10 thousand times and spar full contact every week you'll win most fights. whereas these wc guys are deluded and overanalyzing it.
IRaaave 2 months ago
youre all just stupid. when will you wake up and realize that just because something works and seems controlled and logical in a demonstration or against a willing partner, DOESNT mean it will pan out that way in a live pressure situation. what you see right here is the reality. this is closer to what you will get on the streets.
IRaaave 2 months ago
really it isnt the technique or looking like of wing chung that gets me because i know that kung fu vs kung fu will look slopy and a fight wont turn out the way you want them to its the common misconception made by movies. what gets me makin the "guhh" face is that there is a lack of contol in theses matches. it looks like know one fully understands the full knowldge of there technique causing them to relax creating control.....smh im done
360spider06 7 months ago
this guys are amateurs!no matter what style are you doing no matter how good you are on it you need a great amount of practice so you will put your technics inside your real fighting or on sparring!its the pressure that you must control first so you will make your psychology ready to use your techincs! on a amatuer fight you dont need to win but to try and use as much as of your techincs you can!
13Metal13Head13 7 months ago
I'd like to see how all those people who say there is "no technique" in these fights look when they under real pressure and the attacks are coming fast and furious. Besides, these are all beginner students. What do you expect?
Alexwall36 8 months ago 2
Just looks like a bunch of kids learning some basic Wing Chun stances for about a month and then just putting them in a ring together and telling them to fight. They panic and don't have enough knowledge of Wing Chun practical techniques to put into action so they just do anything to survive. This is why Wing Chun has soft sparring such as Chi Sao. A student of Wing Chun needs to understand and practice alot as slowly as possible before techniques can really be used.
mellong64 8 months ago
I see wing chun, it's just masked. They aren't paying much attention. Whether they use techniques or not, wing chun will improver their fighting skills.
buddy2000529 8 months ago
i can't see any wing chun in this. it's just guys brawling at each other
AtoneRhythm 10 months ago
zero technique not only about wing chun but there is rly no technique at all just brawling.At least they do serious sparing thats something good
MrAxileas 10 months ago
I don't see no wing chun other than a simple stance similar to wing chun and pathetic front kicks.
AsSabirun 11 months ago
LOL, i bet these guys think they're badass
DanBlabbers 11 months ago
hahahaha...! If this is the result of many years Wing Chung practice, i don`t need it!
Its better to learn wrestle, Boxing or something else.
blueneptun1 11 months ago
What the fuck!!!!!!!
wilwilchan1 1 year ago
No offense intended but where's the Wing Chun? I don't see any Wing Chun here at all! This is nothing but unskilled people flailing their arms about and crashing into eachother. If this is the type of "Wing Chun" taught by Boztepe and Leung Ting proteges, you can KEEP IT. I wonder where I can learn the REAL thing (i.e. Wong Shun Leung lineage). Hmmmm.....
typhon3808 1 year ago
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mellong64 8 months ago
@typhon3808 @typhon3808 By the "Real" thing I assume you're referring to Yip family Wing Chun also. "Real" Wing Chun isn't about lineage. It is open to change as long as the change is intelligent and considered through practice in real life fights not just sparring.
If your definition of the "REAL" thing refers to the Yip families' Wing Chun, then you can learn it in Hong Kong from many Sifu's that practice under the guidance of Yip Chun and Yip Ching (Man's two sons).
mellong64 8 months ago
@mellong64 Like I said, where is the Wing Chun in this video? I don't see it...
typhon3808 8 months ago
This is not martial arts. This is ruthless streetfighting. Go watch some actual wing chun this is like karate kid bad guy stuff.
gamma123ful 1 year ago
WC? NOT!
draggonmn 1 year ago
Im sorry but this is just some drunken street fighting that we all se in the pub every saturday, Get a sifu and get some filosofy training, its not all about fighting, wing chun is self defence, and not to atack. / Shifu M.
shiifu 1 year ago
Wing Chun movements are structurally designed to be faster and more energy efficient than other martial arts. Using the center line principle incorporated with the techniques and proper body movement is the core of Wing Chun and substituting it for random uncoordinated punches against a skilled WC artist will result in wasted movement and a lot of pain.
foggylegend 1 year ago
this isnt the art of war:( zero technique
MrKikushiyo 1 year ago
great vid hard to aply w/c with gloves
willboy1966 1 year ago
This is what happens when you try to make the Leung Ting/Boztepe "Wing Chun" work in full contact conditions, it goes out the window cos it cant compete with brawling (it can only compete with its self)
Donkyfishy 1 year ago
@Donkyfishy are you joking? WC is perfect as a street style, personaly I win everytime. As Bruce Lee sad "It's not the style which counts, but the fighter".
00Ghz 1 year ago
@00Ghz
Never said WC was rubbish for streets, I train Wing Chun, its great. But this aint it, this is people learning the broken WC taught at the Mc dojo's and 'mixing' it with boxing etc so that it 'works' at full contact. If you learned actual WC then your lucky, regardless if it was what I call good or rubbish, if you made it work for you then great. Ps. I agree with your/bruce's statement.
Donkyfishy 1 year ago
do you guys remember any knees in any of the forms?
YoungCrs 1 year ago
This is the real deal. It's rugged, ugly and wild, but it's formless.
Wing tsun is a streetstyle it's not meant to look pretty like in the movies.
I like it.
Cold12345 1 year ago
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Cold12345 1 year ago
Now this looks bad ass wing chun LOL I like :D
Ghost572 1 year ago 3
"Without enough technique" sums this up, some wing chun moves here but not alot.
firebladenut 1 year ago
very good
bortomatcha 1 year ago
For f. sake!
This is not wing Chun.
these are some who trained wing chun, but has forgotten the phiolosophy and techinque.
At least, I can tell, this is not traditional wing chun.
Greathoof 1 year ago 2
no wing chun!
poolking21 1 year ago
This is a great video of people taking their training to the next level and sparring hard and competing. But it looks nothing like Wing Chun.
iApna 1 year ago 2
excellent...priceless experience....not only drills in clubs but fighting and sparring is what gives u the experience...I like it no matter if it looks like wing chun or not... main thing is that if u use the principles...!!!
MrSavoro2 1 year ago
@theawakener7 lol i don't show boat. even if i have videos of myself beating up some noob doesn't prove anything. The only way you will find out is by sparring me in the ring. So yes we can argue nonstop here but the only way is in person. My pets will probably submission you anyways and that's the truth ahaha
devilzmantis 1 year ago
@theawakener7 i called you an idiot because you are one. Anything in "life" needs to basics. BASICS = Style. It is what you do "after" you MASTER all the "basics" or "styles" is what turns you into a champion. I do not need to call you names to know that I win this argument. In order for Silva Anderson to be a Champion he has to start somewhere? He has to learn 1 style at a time. You can not disgerard styles because they are the basics.
devilzmantis 1 year ago
@theawakener7 so let me ask you... what's sugar ray leanard, mohammid ali or even silva anderson? You think its styless brawling? You are an idiot. These guys train in boxing, jiu jitsu, muay thai... these are all styles. You think they learn how to be champions by brawling free style with no training? wow, dude... calling people delusional but you have no explanation of how and expert becomes an expert.
devilzmantis 1 year ago
@theawakener7 wrong. styles are for experts. brawling with no technique are noobs. these guys probably have 6 months style training.
devilzmantis 1 year ago
Not wing chun
denisjulian14 1 year ago
just one thing to say....."Not Wing Chun"
denisjulian14 1 year ago
doesn't even look like Wing Tsun/Chun AT ALL !!!
californyaeh 1 year ago
this just shows wing chun doesnt work. and I dnt wana hear...its not the style its the fighter. I agree a little with that but overall no!
ThePtno1 1 year ago
@ThePtno1 how does this show wing chun doesn't work when wing chun isn't even applied? Where's the redirection, trapping, kick entry, etc? This video is just outright brawling.
shuyin131 1 year ago
@shuyin131 yea but they tried to apply it and it went out the window wen things got messy. i understand that gloves put them at a disadvantage but i have yet to see win chun being used in a practical or real life situation. until i do I will stick with my opinion. funny thing is; i realy like wc and would love to learn it but wat puts me off is the fact that it doesnt look practical. i hope im wrong. i might try it to see. ive seen som wc in mma. same thing hapend
ThePtno1 1 year ago
@shuyin131 and also why doesnt at least 1 fighter try to control the fight with wc moves. a wc fighter shd be able to handle an outright street brawler. maybe i shd take back my previous coment and say that if they were better wc fighters we could have seen somthing different. i think som wc masters shd step into the mma game and be allowed to fight how they want as long as opponent agrees!
ThePtno1 1 year ago
@ThePtno1 No WC was applied therefore it's not WC. I can tell you as a martial artist in general, that when you *first* step into a combat situation, you throw it out of the window because you want to do what is natural to you. These guys are kids, one day they'll be good enough to apply WC in combat but it takes experience and a lot of practice. You can't tell WC works or not through a video.
shuyin131 1 year ago
I love how the traditional stances are adhered to at the start of the fights, and then when all hell breaks loose (like in a real fight), it turns into absolute chaos. I've trained and hold ranks in Wing Chun, TKD, Aikido, and BJJ. By far, BJJ has been the most effective and complete martial art. Anyone who doubts it, simply find a reputable BJJ school and try it yourself.
websslinger 1 year ago
@theawakener7 Why are you still attacking, and insulting me? All I was trying to do was to humbly remove myself from a pointless and prideful argument. You have no power to say who is a Christian and who isn't. I read the 1st scripture and that is why I backed down, regardless of your less than favorable tone I looked at the bigger picture in the scripture. I don't owe you anything not an answer to humor your request, nothing. I am not a Christian yet, just one in training, but I am trying....
VicJones01 1 year ago
@theawakener7 Listen man, you win. I don't handle people being sarcastic about God's Word too well. I'm weak in that way, So I give up.
VicJones01 1 year ago
@theawakener7 You mock me being a trainee Christian and then you post scripture? What is your deal brother?
VicJones01 1 year ago
@theawakener7 You should really google "Victor Valle Boxing" before you assume that you know everything. You'll then see that my family has over 100 years(and counting) experience training champion fighters. I also have no insecurities when it comes to defending myself in the street. I've actually had more than several street fights growing up in the in the Bronx. Egostism is what you are displaying thinking you know it all. I am a trainee Christian, but I do have a past(pretty recent actually).
VicJones01 1 year ago
What's up? @theawakener7 Ummm, I'm not sure if you read my post properly. I used the word "some", as in "some traditional asian arts". Your being a wise ass is completely unecessary. I'm simply talking about he loss of form standing up, for example arms flailing about, the randomness of strikes, the lack of rythym and structure, horrible mechanics, etc, etc. Everyone has their weaknesses, you just have less time to figure out an experienced striker's(in a street fight).
VicJones01 1 year ago
callejero tsun jeje
skinssin 1 year ago
@theawakener7 I have to disagree. I think its just something about some traditional asian arts that loses some technique during application or real life situations. However Boxing, Muay Tai, Jiu Jitsu and Taekwondo fighters usually mantain their form and movements even during street fights and that's a fact. It really depends on how much muscle memory is created from training.
VicJones01 1 year ago
brutal
skinssin 1 year ago
everyone must remember these peole are students, not teachers.
fuckwackemcees 1 year ago
@DANCEROTICACOM wing chun is pretty much the chinese version of muay thai
gunfighter964 1 year ago
according to me entering a ring and test wath you know is the most brave and rispectable choice... Of course the techniques aren't perfects!
ParkFight 1 year ago
Ok .... I've been looking for this.... everyone that does Wing Chun .... don't live in the ilusion that your technic will be solid because your Chi Sau or one point, two point or three point drills seem as good as the Ip Man film. Things are very different when two people are going at eachother with actual intent. I think we all pay too much attention to Drills and Chi Sau and not enouth attention to how we put WIng Chun into our sparing.
PaulConway1973 1 year ago
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Ok .... I've been looking for this.... everyone that does Wing Chun .... don't live in the ilusion that your technic will be solid because your Chi Sau or one point, two point or three point drills seem as good as the Ip Man film. Things are very different when two people are going at eachother with actual intent. I think we all pay too much attention to Drills and Chi Sau and not enouth attention to how we put WIng Chun into our sparing.
PaulConway1973 1 year ago
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PaulConway1973 1 year ago
There are a lot of people saying "low skill"/ "it's just brawling"... Have you ever actually seen a real fight, in the street? They are messy and intent/aggression can easily outweigh skill that doesn't have that intent.
Real fights don't look like a movie, a form, or light sparring. I'm always really pleased to see a TMA school take a real approach, it might not look pretty but it's a damn site more effective to learn what works and what doesn't.
TMAs need to evolve, don't make them stale.
lBurt0n 1 year ago
@lBurt0n Yeah, but it's not in a street, it's in a ring, and therefore comparable to other ring sports when we're looking at the technique demonstrated. And a lot of these fighters have the technique of the average NHL player, or Don Frye. Just hitting each other doesn't make you better,you gotta apply what you've learned from it. I mean, around the 1:00 mark, there's a guy punching his opponent in the legs while getting clinch kneed. That's just... bad.
viator22 1 year ago
Wing Chun is totally a Southern Style, distilling principles found in most Southern styles and relying on relatively few universal principles and techniques with countless applications. This is more like wing chun practiotioners doing San Da style matches. Wing Chun is for bare knuckle fights, advanced level training is a lot of wooden dummy and drilling on how to gain upper hand when the arms connect with an opponent. Good fighters are few but vicious.
Sanningsministeriet 1 year ago
almost zero wing chun technique just street brawling. although wing chun is a street fighting art there still is alot of skill involved in the moves something these guys clearly dont have...
eskimode 2 years ago 27
@eskimode
Some styles are built more around natural movements, and thus don't seem to vary a great deal in combat, but ask any MA person whether MMA or not, and they can not perform nothing like they train against real attacking opponent.
They are many good reaction and many sloppy reaction.
Personally I say give up the fucking name, logo, or style, and learn and fight.
Fastlan3 1 year ago
@eskimode WC works on principles from what I know. Not on technique.
What I saw their was sustained aggression. Wing chun principles at work. :)
outsidepers 1 year ago
@eskimode im glad someone said it. i wish that they would stop knuckle heads from teaching this style. either that who is teaching the knuckleheads from the giddy up.
opticannon 10 months ago
low skill, brave young men with healmets
lamborgini01 2 years ago
its funny to watch white guys trying hard to do asian martial arts....
archer149803 2 years ago
this doesn't look like wing chun... it looks like 2 stupid guys doing street fighting
archer149803 2 years ago 15
@archer149803 well you cant expect "ip man movie like" WT in full contact...
zipule 1 year ago
@archer149803 i think the same this is not kung fu this dosen't look like any kind of wushu.
Ysokah 2 months ago
these is real wing tsun if you have own opinions please show us videos from your fights!!!
Skip9222 2 years ago
its no wing chun
7jantje7 2 years ago
Where is this sparring taking place i would like to try.
sirbeatyourass 2 years ago
Is this Really wing chun???
BeatySword 2 years ago
What's the point of training WT if you just end up doing a shitty version of MMA? Still - some of the best WT training I've seen so far
Rapist87 2 years ago 2
on youtube, look up "wing chun vs kickboxing dude". I think that's one of the best fight vids on youtube ;)
terror2002 2 years ago
@terror2002 Well the wing chun vs kickboxing dude vid seemed a lil bit on the friendly sparring side and you can tell the kickboxer did some tkd but he didn't know how to set up anything. The wing chun guy disable the other guy by kick quickly and keeping him at bay.
Most vids on youtube of martial art sparring each other are usually not on the same level. Bad Example.
RDraGon2179 2 years ago
tillerbear I train in mma and wing chun prevails much more than my jujitsu and kick boxing. It works very well in the cage. However, I will agree that I find most wing chuners lack the real understanding of the art. look up Carlosn Gracies and Sifu Kwok
MrCuriouslad 2 years ago
@MrCuriouslad Show us your evidence of using your Wing Chun in the cage.
quagmire1807 2 years ago
Looks more like Ground Fighting....Most fights end up on the Ground....may I suggest JIU-JITSU, or some basic Wrestling, in the training. Just a thought...
ASSBANG6969 2 years ago
Whenever someone post a Wing Chun sparring Video there's hundreds of comments underneath going
'Hey thats not the Real Wing Chun!!!'
Wing chun looks like this under pressure because IT DOES'NT WORK!! The theory colapses under pressure and it just turns into a slapfest. This is why most WC/WT schools dont spar and just stick with the flashy looking drills.
tillerbear 2 years ago
@tillerbear yeah i agree. but surely there must be a good way to use wing chun.
HermesDo 2 years ago
LOL...where was the wing chun??? It look exactly like what MMA preaches...ground and pound...or clinch and knee...the only wing chun portion was the on guard position aka asking hand and a front push kick.
atran35 2 years ago 2
stand up bad as hell, groundwork even worse...fuck wt
Peien193 2 years ago
normal punks on the street can eat these kids.
MartialValor 2 years ago
Hahahahaha this shit ain't wing chun.
But then again, from what i understand a lot of wing chun schools don't have much sparring, if any, so it's no shock that these "wing chun practioners" would look like this is their sparring sessions were down to a minimum...
JustinThoj 2 years ago 2
in der realität bleibt eben nur die wirklich funktionierende technik über...man muss natürlich auch sagen das dort nur wtler kämpfen und die wissen was kommen könnte
interessant wäre mal ein wtler gegen einen kämpfer der sich nicht mit wt auskennt.....der wer sicher überrascht
fortuner22 2 years ago
As others have already stated it is clearly not Wing Chun. However, if it is a brutal fight-to-win combat rather than betterment of technique then wearing those gloves disables almost anything related to Wing Chun (a primarily open hand martial art).
Any good Wing Chun practitioner would have been able to disarm most of those grapple moves - but with gloves it becomes a whole lot harder.
I think the title description pretty much sum it up.
hosie77 2 years ago
Bullshit. Any hand position in Wing Chun can be formed in MMA gloves, and it's easy to hit with palms. You're pulling arguments out of your ass.
And show us evidence of these "good Wing Chun practitioners defending against real grapplers - BJJ players, judoka, wrestlers. Not against other WC guys who can't grapple.
quagmire1807 2 years ago
I'll just say they really aren't good at this yet... they haven't applied the basics enough to the point where it becomes technique. The reason Muay Thai or Judo or Jiujitsu fighters look totally different is because all they know is basics. More complex arts like Wing Chun and most other chinese martial arts take decades before you can apply everything correctly. Any fighter of any art for any length of time will agree.
InsanityRerun 2 years ago
If you think Judo and Jujutsu isent technical then maby you need to come back to this world... There is alot of technique in them, esspecially the ground fighting. The best moves in wingchun are basics. Streight punches, and front kick... Whats so complex??? Wingchun was made for brawling, it is primarily a street fighting cheap shot live or die art. In HongKong most the gangs use wingchun. They use modified brawling, hence, when in dout, move farward into the centerline chainpunching...
GuamKomudo 2 years ago
so you prefer your opponents beat the shit out of you for the next decades until you finally (maybe) reach the ulitmate level...? great philosophy
Peien193 2 years ago
Then show us someone who IS good at it!
quagmire1807 2 years ago
exactly...watch the demos for wing chun or tai chi or w.e and tha watch this right after...and it just looks like a school yard brawl....watch muay thai or judo or jiu jitsu and they look exactly like their taught
Hopkip2 2 years ago
youre talking crap man....just take any kind of karate...when these guys are beating ech other up i can´t see any block or somehthing.. in a real fight it doesnt works anyway..and i fought against karate guys....there technics are mostly worthless...at most it looks like a cheap form of boxing style....out of this....every real fight is dynamic and in this video they are training the right way, because you can see there what realy works
fortuner22 2 years ago
im sorry but wushu just sux. i kno its a strong word but i just find no point in it, muay thai and jiu jitsu and judo etc their all the tightest and most technical martial arts ,,,, sry
Hopkip2 2 years ago
Thats pretty damn brutal contact sparring.
mmm However, The base stance looked like wing chun, but the way they where punching (not doing it right), they added grappling moves, submission, knee, and other random moves that have nothing to do with wing chun.. This looks more like Mixed martial arts with a wing chun stance. Thats about it. But the brutality level was about right.
2BSilveR 2 years ago
not punching right?, oalaa, like 90% of wing chun people, they added ground?, yeah, like any complete right fighter... stop complaining odnt u think?
jesusxtoo 2 years ago
This is not Wing Chun.
shiifu 2 years ago
funny how they where keeping a distance from each other. That is so fail.
2BSilveR 2 years ago
i didnt know wing chun was so violent, this is pretty hardcore, just as rough as thaiboxing
falkon14 2 years ago
wing chun is the deadlies martial art
G4geoG4 2 years ago
you cannot claim to know 'THE DEADLIEST' art until you can master all arts and void them of their weaknesses witch they all have and which is impossible. wing chun is phenomanly brutal but i dare say not the deadliest.
ste854 2 years ago
Wrong.
quagmire1807 2 years ago
Go back to watching family guy kid!
Transatlanticism04 2 years ago
@Transatlanticism04 If you'd read any of my other comments you'd realise I am in reality an articulate adult. And if you knew me personally, you'd know I'm far from a fan of Family Guy.
Back to the point. The delivery system of Wing Chun falls apart under pressure, so regardless of who your teacher might be, the delivery system you use under real pressure will not resemble Wing Chun in any form.
quagmire1807 2 years ago
Also chain punching is crap,you can not generate enough power to do damage. However i do believe in straight punching,just not chaining! Stance in wing chun is shit aslo... lol i could go on about the pos and negs all day! Sorry for the family guy comment!
Transatlanticism04 2 years ago
@Transatlanticism04 Wait, was the comment directed at me at all? Or were you agreeing with me while berating me at the same time? Now I'm just confused...
quagmire1807 2 years ago
hmm my 1st post didnt show,you got the second half,weird! I agree and disagree.. I think wing chun has a couple of good things in it. For the most part i agree it doesnt work against under pressure.
The reason for that is it is taught wrong..
Things like forms,chi sao dont help you too much when you got a guy swinging at you like he wants to take your head off.
Transatlanticism04 2 years ago
Things i like in wing chun are Bil sao,pak sao,bong sao, Straight punching(not chaining) the centre line,thats it!
Transatlanticism04 2 years ago
WO WHAT!!!??!!??
Hopkip2 2 years ago
Not at all. Throw a Thai boxer and WC guy of equal years' experience together and the WC guy will get mauled.
quagmire1807 2 years ago
Does not look like what I have been learning. (Wing Chun)
noone120000 2 years ago
wing chun?? umm ok... these guys are just learing shit. wing chun is good if you find the right instructor. Any martial art is good if taught properly! 52sec hahahahaha
Transatlanticism04 2 years ago
Wrong.
quagmire1807 2 years ago
pretty good fighting but i didn't see any wing chun
lofgrhcp 2 years ago
Indeed you didn't, because Wing Chun falls apart under pressure.
quagmire1807 2 years ago
not bad.....
BULLSHIT123xx 2 years ago
Wow 1st grade queers do it in public! congrats!
but...where the hell is wing chun in that vid?
RagnarokStudio 2 years ago
that sux not wing ching
aleejacopo 2 years ago
I think the problem is, if this is what a fight is, you would be better prepared with boxing, BJJ, and the regular stuff that's now available. Certainly the guys who end up on the bottom seem completely unprepared.
ScottSommers 2 years ago
They're doing it completely wrong. Trying to use WC but with the wrong mind-set. Amateurs, barely learning how to make a fist, trying to fight like masters.
WCdragoninja 2 years ago
Show us some of your masterful Wing Chun dispatching boxers, nak muay, judoka, wrestlers, BJJ players and kyokushin karateka, and then maybe you'll set the way for your style to be treated with more than contempt from real combat athletes.
quagmire1807 2 years ago
I'm sorry, are you trying to argue with me? I think you've mistaken me for Mr. Ting. That's his job.
WCdragoninja 2 years ago
@WCdragoninja So you don't know the answer to any of these criticisms? Has Leung Ting never given answers in a public forum? I wonder why that is...
quagmire1807 2 years ago
@quagmire1807 What criticisms? Whatever nonsense other people want to talk is their business, and I'm a little too busy to be playing who's sensei/sifu/coach can but up who's, so maybe you should go find another playmate :O
WCdragoninja 2 years ago
seems to me when youve trained for a year or two most hard sparring ends up looking like a mad cross between different styles. in these guys i could see wing chun, muay thai, brazilian jiu jitsu and traditional kung fu. doing the best they can in a frenetic situation. all martial arts can learn from each other bruce lee had the right idea.
808hawk 2 years ago
By traditional kung fu you mean.....?
WCdragoninja 2 years ago
southern shaolin and the styles that have grown from that (hung gar, choy gar, mok gar,li gar and lau gar) is what i was refering to. but most sparring early on looks the same. these guys look like they have heart, spirit and enjoy what they are doing.
808hawk 2 years ago
How you fight with gloves and how you fight without gloves are two different things. These guys are confused.
martinsidney 2 years ago
IT IS WING CHUN, just because its not calm and steady as its supposed to be doesnt mean its not wing chun. But I do agree that they ignore core principals of the art that may seem like a CHEAPER version of wing chun
zoomerbemen 2 years ago 2
Just as there are good boxers and bad boxers. :3
WCdragoninja 2 years ago
kinda' crappy techniques
Wassa1982 2 years ago
this's ain't wing chun
SwaggerRico 2 years ago
why is it that certain ppl complain that ''traditional'' arts such as wing chung are bad cuz they don't spar or train alivness but when they do spar, the same ppl still complain about it. I give them prop for training alivness
2brianj 2 years ago
This is bullshit.
bloodfartmafia 2 years ago
id like to try my fighting skills there ) .de but i hear that there was russians talking )
immba 2 years ago
NOT wing chun.
jacobbenmichael 2 years ago
c'est plus du mma que du wing tsun
827marc 2 years ago
Very nice!
veaxer 2 years ago
awesome
lairdofgarscaddon 2 years ago