That is a question that has been made more difficult & more complicated by the advent of Quantum Physics... which has caused uncertainty regarding simply what is existence itself
Although it is known that Quantum Physics have laid to rest the Materialist view... all material is merely virtual. Also, we & the universe are digital. In short, we are Sims... being watched on a huge, universal, plasma monitor by our code writer/Creator
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The best answer to this question I have come across is this:
Nothing exists except logical possibility, which necessarily exists, and our perception of material existence is an epiphenomenon of our being logical subcomponents of a logically possible universe.
I'd link you to the website where I read that but YouTube won't let me, so type into Google: "Nothing exists except logical possibility" in quote marks, & you'll be able to find the answer on the knowinghumans website among others.
The best answer to this question I have come across is this:
Nothing exists except logical possibility, which necessarily exists, and our perception of material existence is an epiphenomenon of our being logical subcomponents of a logically possible universe.
I'd link you to the website where I read that but YouTube won't let me, so type into Google: "Nothing exists except logical possibility" in quote marks, & you'll be able to find the answer on the knowinghumans website among others.
We are left with two things that we can know about anything, that we have surefire evidence that says there is intent in the will of something that has been caused, or, we can merely postulate that there may possibly be no reason - for which we have never encountered anything that should lead us to presume this.
We have no credible evidence beyond the suspicion of imagination to suggest that there is no reason or will of intent behind the cause of anything that exists. Infact, the evidence is empiracle that says there is a will of intent behind everything and anything that exists.
Hmm...well...You know I do have quite a knack for yoghurt.
The point is - yoghurt-gnomes or not (which is another topic for another time - & I'm sure you'd be glad to discuss & illustrate it) - Is that if we can look at a painting then we can be sure that there was a painter who had the intent to cause the painting. We can look at a building and be sure that a builder holds the reasons for the building. And, we may observe creation & therefore conclude a Creator. That's evidence.
« Is that if we can look at a painting then we can be sure that there was a painter »
If you're going to use Ray Comfort's arguments in a discussion, you have to remember one thing: don't. Not unless you want to sound as stupid as he does. Snowflake: snowflaker; mountain: mountainer, and so on. We know how these things come into being; the analogy is obviously flawed.
Granted, Ray is not exactly an earth scientist, or philosopher. However, it's not really his argument. But what's more is... what's flawed with the idea of there being a "snowflaker"? Now before you ridicule me for saying that I may believe something so funny, hear me out. We call God 'God' not because He has merely made a system & cycle that produces snowflakes, but because He's also the mountain former and star breather. He is He Who's created life, and every "anything" else.
« He is He Who's created life, and every "anything" else »
Your assertion, which is unsubstantiated. All we know for sure is that a "system" exists which produces snowflake and mountains. There is no logical ground here for extrapolating to the existence of your god.
Please sir... Look again. Within the context of reality and experience, & through employing one of the fundamental scientific methods it is rather sure and certain. "In fact, the evidence is empirical that says there is a will of intent behind everything and anything that exists." - As far as we may observe that is (which was within the context of my previous statement). Otherwise you default to doubtful suspicions of the imagination.
No it isn't. What you perceive as design can be explained as a result of natural processes. And even if those processes have not been found yet, there's no reason to assume "goddiddit".
But even if there were: why does anything exist, rather than nothing?
Please friend, I hope to reason with you... I care.
I never take anything serious to heart by the matter of someone 'assuming'. As far as we can ever know about anything's existence, we must for the time accept that there is/was a will that enacted upon the manifesting of any entity's existence (in order for it to exist). Or, we must say that one does not may not likely ever know. But to do this once dismisses the role of the Director and Producer in all of reality, namely God.
Anything and Everything exist because there is no such thing as nothing. Anything and Everything exist so Life can remain. I exist because you exist the same as you exist because i exist.
What do you do for an occupation? You seem to enjoy youtube. Is this your occupation?
Walk the Earth by Silent Force
I revel in exciting music. I love excitement and you seem to enjoy things that are more witty then recklessly spirited. I find joy in a little bit of spice and passion.
What if thought was matter and physical matter was only "subjective". Then a consciousness could create thoughts into the "subjective" we deem reality. Physical matter merely exists. Physical matter does nothing. Leave a rock on a race track and what does the lazy loaf do?! "Nothing" =) Since we have consciousness("Thought" as above) we can interact with the world impressing our will on what "reality" I deemed subjective.
Why does anything exist? I still see that lonely void with one the consciousness of God drifting in eternity. How gloomy it would be for me. The alpha and omega. God is both the beginning and the end. The universe, all time and space is of God. All consciousness is of God and he was the beginning and will be the end. Why would God create us? From the desolate void a self sufficient God knew that our creation must be. There was a reason, but to know the motive of God. To know God's purpose... wow
It probably existed for a very short or incredibly long period of time. It depends on exactly what moment God decided to act. Maybe with coming into consciousness God knew what had to come to pass from beginning till end. God to God. Void because there was "NOTHING" this is creationism. Maybe I'm wrong and God acted so fast that there was no time for a void to exist? Was there even time?
A void lacking of existence. Nothing, not even nothing. There was no before God maybe in the void God was the first spark of consciousness. God is self sufficient and can undoubtedly eternally sustain himself, but isn't a void melancholy? Big Bang my ass. If anyone is to know the beginning I hopefully will be informed. If it was the big bang that caused creation more glory to God for creating our universe with one mighty blast so perfectly calculated. What was that blast? God's consciousness.
What's wrong with the big bang model? It does not seek to explain the origin of our universe, merely it's development *since* its origin. Do you find fault in it somewhere?
No ... It was a joke. I can make jokes. I'm not cynical.
Nothing cannot exist now. It used to exist in a pre-conscious void. Yes, even in your own pre-existence before you were born I could say that to you, existence was nothing. There was no existence to the non-existent and this is what I define as nothing. Nothing isn't a physical piece of matter. Nothing is an idea referring to the "lack of". There was nothing, but it's elusive to see... another Joke.
You are saying this: nothing used to exist. But per definition, nothing is not a thing (no-thing) that can exist. For there to be existence, it is required that there exists a thing to exist in. Therefore nothing cannot exist, and never has existed. Nothing does not exist. It is a null-concept.
I put empty of emptiness knowing you would pull the quote aside and have something to say about the hyperbole and void. Void is nonexistent now. It's really just a theory or concept. So I could say that it exists, but only as the concept. However, I can't tell if in some seldom observed pocket of space and time void exists. I said similar not exactly. A vacuum is very void. Void is really invalid space and time. Even without dimensions. Anything you can imagine void is the absence.
Try and imagine the absence of *everything*. That includes, time, space, timelike or spacelike dimensionality, and existence itself. You can't. Non-existence cannot exist. Nothing cannot exist.
But I tell you, I'm perceiving that you may be more interested in a ruse of debate than believing a Truth so inconvenient.
But life is short & you've got more to loose if you're wrong rather than I. Which by the way is not the reason I believe, but it is the reason why you or another really ought to reconsider believing real Christianity. I have both seen and experienced things (whether through first hand & real life, or by books & historical text) things which have me utterly convinced.
Which is as may be, but since none of these things are independently verifiable, I will remain unconvinced. Perhaps having a personal experience might convince me personally, but no amount of testimonies about personal experiences from other people is going to be convincing.
I'm not saying that you should be utterly convinced on the whole based solely on the testimonies of a few others... Howbeit, maybe you shouldn't write them off so quickly. After all, if you lived near a train-station and someone came to you and urgently tried to persuade you to leave because there's an out-of-control train on its way... You'd certainly be taking some very serious consideration. Because you've seen enough to know that people can die from train accidents.
I don't write them off any more or less quickly than I would personal testimonies in any other case, be it in a court of law, a scientific process, or whatever. Personal testimonies can provide interesting clues, but they are in themselves not evidence.
« persuade you to leave because there's an out-of-control train »
In which case there'd be good evidence to show that such might be the case. After all, we can verify that trains and rails exist, and it has happened before that a train got out of control. The claim that one is right now is not an extraordinary one, and easy enough to confirm.
In continuing, why shouldn't you take also into account not only those who've been killed by trains, but those who's lives have really been changed by Jesus -who've found the Truth of God? I'm not saying you should hang on to every word of someone who is hysterical; but then again, even people who seem hysterical sometimes tell the Truth -'Like a Train is gonna wreck your house!'
Take the fundamentals that you know... you're likely -but not guaranteed- to live yet a bit longer... & ask for God.
« but those who's lives have really been changed by Jesus -who've found the Truth of God? »
Because there's no evidence that any such change is the result of divine influence rather than the psychology of belief. We know that experiences can cause people's lives to radically change *without* there being any supernatural influence.
...Oy; ...hold on now ~ that's not really a fair question. I mean, suppose I asked you to tell me exactly how much the ocean weighs? Or, how many square miles of space exists throughout the universe? And then insisted that you not give me theoretical, or guesstimate type answers.
Nonetheless, I suppose I can try & say this much: That God is the only being in existence whose reasons for existence is within Himself.
Isn't it? If there must be a reason why anything exists, then there must be a reason why this god exists, mustn't there? Perhaps it's not a question easily answered, but is it less fair because it's a difficult question?
Everything else that we can possibly know is more or less caused and finite. God is uncaused and infinite. Even our words, gestures, and for of expression has been caused or developed, so there is no way of me explaining something so beyond explanation... He/God cannot be put in a box... Though He has made Himself known to us.
I reckon your approach here is more or less erred... That is, if you're really interested in the Truth of the matter - or All Matter (for that matter)... :)
What I mean is, everything else doesn't necessarily "need an external reason" (as you 'assumed' by me), but it just has an external reason. The only time it may so much "need" a reason is so that it may suffice the reasoner.
And for your last question, why does God not need an external reason? -Maybe you ought to think about that some more.
Well, I was saying that they don't require them per se, but that they have them. More or less that is... we only call it that - as it relates to us. Nonetheless, you, or a flower, or the planet Neptune exists whether one beseeches its reason for being.
In short; everything that has a beginning has then been caused to exist. It therefore appears to have a cause or "reason" as we/you call it.
You are saying that when there's intent, there's intent. Yes, I get that. The purpose behind the question I ask (Why does anything exist) is of course to establish wether or not it is logical to assume that there must be intent.
Dear sir, when you created this video and posed the question, "why does anything exist?" I ask you, (and this is as much rhetorical as it is for an honest response) did you have a reason/intent when at the origin of your desire you created/caused this video/question?
Really, the DNA per se of anything that exists is intent.
Yes, I did. Is there a reason for me existing? Is there a reason for the universe in which I exist existing? Is there a reason for whatever caused the universe to originate to exist? And so on.
using Logical Absolutes one can ascertain that Things Exist Simple because they can, Not that something need be dependent upon another thing for existence because Existence isnt defined as. Tangible. There is Abstract and Conceptual Existence.
so i suppose it depends upon *what* you would define as "anything"
moreover i would say there need not be a reason other than it does because it can.
Hey, *I* am the one asking the questions here, okay? ;-)
I'm trying to make a point regarding infinite regression. Perhaps I should elaborate in a next video, see if I can't provoke some teleogogical thinkers into responding.
A theist would simply parrot " because god created it". They cannot think beyond this.
Time is infinite in both directions, as evidenced by the question; If there was a beginning, what was before that? But once again it is not an explanation a theist can absorb. Their minds are narrow.
I would contest that. But it does not matter: time is relevant in questions regarding causation. But I am not asking for causes, but for explanations, or more specifically, reasons.
Reasoning is a process that uses logic to arrive at conclusions from certain premises. I have taken a fallacious premise (nl. that a reason should exist for everything) and intend to lead teleological thinkers through the process of reasoning starting from this premise. I expect you know what the result will be. Clearer now?
It wont work, they cant reason from a fallacious premise, any more than they can reason from a reasonable premise. The problem is...they cant reason....if they could, you wouldnt have to start from an unreasonable premise.
If infinity is true, every atom holds an infinite universe within itself. Maybe? What goes up comes down and that which expands infinitely breaks down infinitely. I'm no physicist lol
My personal theory( which would most likely be destroyed by a physicist) is this: Every "string" that makes up the tiniest form of anything is actually an expanding universe of it's own containing within itself an infinite amount of small expanding universes. In other words we could be in the leg of a table on some alien world and not even know. I'm not sure if it makes sense but it's the only way I can conceptualize infinity.
For the record I don't believe there is any specific purpose, it is our job as concious matter to motivate ourselves. I think everyone is an anti-theist but they haven't found out yet. I'm ready to debate! >: D, if need be of course. What is this bicycle you speak of? I know the joke's on me but I'd like to know.
Merely a Dutch manner of speech ;) Equivalent to "O, I see" (Aha, op die fiets ~ lit. translation ~ Aha, on that bicycle). There, now you know how to respond to any remark or question in Dutch.
No. But let's assume for a minute it does. The question, of course, is directed at theists who argue that there must be a reason and purpose to everything.
hmm, I suppose I would respond "I don't know" then again if people were intellectually honest enough to give that response they wouldn't accept most of the arguments for any god's existence.
Perhaps I should have been a bit more provocative and asked the question "Is there a reason anything exists?" along with the question "What is that reason?". The problem I'm trying to address here is that of infinite regression.
I don't know. I'll go find an answer. Give me a couple of days.
BestVideoResponse 2 months ago
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Hell, take a week.
MrGralgrathor 2 months ago
Why should nothingness be the default position?
DKshad0w 2 months ago
@DKshad0w
I don't know. The answer to that question might very well be pertinent to my question. Good job! ;)
MrGralgrathor 2 months ago
That is a question that has been made more difficult & more complicated by the advent of Quantum Physics... which has caused uncertainty regarding simply what is existence itself
Although it is known that Quantum Physics have laid to rest the Materialist view... all material is merely virtual. Also, we & the universe are digital. In short, we are Sims... being watched on a huge, universal, plasma monitor by our code writer/Creator
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@Chuichupachichi ah, "the simulation hypothesis" is what you're talking about there!
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The best answer to this question I have come across is this:
Nothing exists except logical possibility, which necessarily exists, and our perception of material existence is an epiphenomenon of our being logical subcomponents of a logically possible universe.
I'd link you to the website where I read that but YouTube won't let me, so type into Google: "Nothing exists except logical possibility" in quote marks, & you'll be able to find the answer on the knowinghumans website among others.
MoralNihilism 1 year ago
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The best answer to this question I have come across is this:
Nothing exists except logical possibility, which necessarily exists, and our perception of material existence is an epiphenomenon of our being logical subcomponents of a logically possible universe.
I'd link you to the website where I read that but YouTube won't let me, so type into Google: "Nothing exists except logical possibility" in quote marks, & you'll be able to find the answer on the knowinghumans website among others.
MoralNihilism 1 year ago
...con't...
We are left with two things that we can know about anything, that we have surefire evidence that says there is intent in the will of something that has been caused, or, we can merely postulate that there may possibly be no reason - for which we have never encountered anything that should lead us to presume this.
seeinglight 1 year ago
We have no credible evidence beyond the suspicion of imagination to suggest that there is no reason or will of intent behind the cause of anything that exists. Infact, the evidence is empiracle that says there is a will of intent behind everything and anything that exists.
seeinglight 1 year ago
« We have no credible evidence [...] to suggest that there is no reason or will of intent behind the cause of anything that exists »
We have no credible evidence that your head isn't inhabited by invisible, intangible yoghurt-gnomes either. Your point?
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
@XGralgrathor
Hmm...well...You know I do have quite a knack for yoghurt.
The point is - yoghurt-gnomes or not (which is another topic for another time - & I'm sure you'd be glad to discuss & illustrate it) - Is that if we can look at a painting then we can be sure that there was a painter who had the intent to cause the painting. We can look at a building and be sure that a builder holds the reasons for the building. And, we may observe creation & therefore conclude a Creator. That's evidence.
seeinglight 1 year ago
« Is that if we can look at a painting then we can be sure that there was a painter »
If you're going to use Ray Comfort's arguments in a discussion, you have to remember one thing: don't. Not unless you want to sound as stupid as he does. Snowflake: snowflaker; mountain: mountainer, and so on. We know how these things come into being; the analogy is obviously flawed.
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
@XGralgrathor
Granted, Ray is not exactly an earth scientist, or philosopher. However, it's not really his argument. But what's more is... what's flawed with the idea of there being a "snowflaker"? Now before you ridicule me for saying that I may believe something so funny, hear me out. We call God 'God' not because He has merely made a system & cycle that produces snowflakes, but because He's also the mountain former and star breather. He is He Who's created life, and every "anything" else.
seeinglight 1 year ago
« He is He Who's created life, and every "anything" else »
Your assertion, which is unsubstantiated. All we know for sure is that a "system" exists which produces snowflake and mountains. There is no logical ground here for extrapolating to the existence of your god.
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
« Infact, the evidence is empiracle that says there is a will of intent behind everything and anything that exists. »
No there isn't. But even if there was, that would still leave the question: why does anything exist, rather than nothing?
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
@XGralgrathor
Please sir... Look again. Within the context of reality and experience, & through employing one of the fundamental scientific methods it is rather sure and certain. "In fact, the evidence is empirical that says there is a will of intent behind everything and anything that exists." - As far as we may observe that is (which was within the context of my previous statement). Otherwise you default to doubtful suspicions of the imagination.
seeinglight 1 year ago
« it is rather sure and certain »
No it isn't. What you perceive as design can be explained as a result of natural processes. And even if those processes have not been found yet, there's no reason to assume "goddiddit".
But even if there were: why does anything exist, rather than nothing?
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
@XGralgrathor
Please friend, I hope to reason with you... I care.
I never take anything serious to heart by the matter of someone 'assuming'. As far as we can ever know about anything's existence, we must for the time accept that there is/was a will that enacted upon the manifesting of any entity's existence (in order for it to exist). Or, we must say that one does not may not likely ever know. But to do this once dismisses the role of the Director and Producer in all of reality, namely God.
seeinglight 1 year ago
« we must for the time accept that there is/was a will »
Huh? Why must we accept this? There is no reason to. No evidence that suggests this is the case.
In any case: why does anything exist, rather than nothing?
XGralgrathor 1 year ago
@XGralgrathor Nothingness would not be governed by any laws of physics; therefore, nothing could be said about nothing.
LibertarianRealist 2 months ago
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I agree.
XGralgrathor 2 months ago
Why does Anything exist? Simple
Because we will it.
Anything and Everything exist because there is no such thing as nothing. Anything and Everything exist so Life can remain. I exist because you exist the same as you exist because i exist.
BobertMac 1 year ago
shut the fuck up on the other channel.. quit butting in to others conversations allah boy
Vollrath1114 2 years ago
What do you do for an occupation? You seem to enjoy youtube. Is this your occupation?
Walk the Earth by Silent Force
I revel in exciting music. I love excitement and you seem to enjoy things that are more witty then recklessly spirited. I find joy in a little bit of spice and passion.
novacrystalas 2 years ago
What if thought was matter and physical matter was only "subjective". Then a consciousness could create thoughts into the "subjective" we deem reality. Physical matter merely exists. Physical matter does nothing. Leave a rock on a race track and what does the lazy loaf do?! "Nothing" =) Since we have consciousness("Thought" as above) we can interact with the world impressing our will on what "reality" I deemed subjective.
I'm taking that rock,
for a walk.
I can now accomplish ambitions.
novacrystalas 2 years ago
« Then a consciousness »
A consciousness is something. More specifically, a consciousness is a changing pattern in or of something.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
Why does anything exist? I still see that lonely void with one the consciousness of God drifting in eternity. How gloomy it would be for me. The alpha and omega. God is both the beginning and the end. The universe, all time and space is of God. All consciousness is of God and he was the beginning and will be the end. Why would God create us? From the desolate void a self sufficient God knew that our creation must be. There was a reason, but to know the motive of God. To know God's purpose... wow
novacrystalas 2 years ago
« I still see that lonely void »
Why did this void exist?
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
It probably existed for a very short or incredibly long period of time. It depends on exactly what moment God decided to act. Maybe with coming into consciousness God knew what had to come to pass from beginning till end. God to God. Void because there was "NOTHING" this is creationism. Maybe I'm wrong and God acted so fast that there was no time for a void to exist? Was there even time?
The discussions we can have about nothing. =)
novacrystalas 2 years ago
« It probably existed »
Not the question. *Why* did this void exist?
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
A void lacking of existence. Nothing, not even nothing. There was no before God maybe in the void God was the first spark of consciousness. God is self sufficient and can undoubtedly eternally sustain himself, but isn't a void melancholy? Big Bang my ass. If anyone is to know the beginning I hopefully will be informed. If it was the big bang that caused creation more glory to God for creating our universe with one mighty blast so perfectly calculated. What was that blast? God's consciousness.
novacrystalas 2 years ago
« Nothing, not even nothing »
Let me tell you what my grandfather used to tell me, before he kicked the bucket:
"Nothing does not exist."
Examine that statement from all sides, if you will.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
Reckon Plato said that 'nothing' is what rocks dream about...
:)
seeinglight 2 years ago
« Big Bang my ass »
What's wrong with the big bang model? It does not seek to explain the origin of our universe, merely it's development *since* its origin. Do you find fault in it somewhere?
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
No ... It was a joke. I can make jokes. I'm not cynical.
Nothing cannot exist now. It used to exist in a pre-conscious void. Yes, even in your own pre-existence before you were born I could say that to you, existence was nothing. There was no existence to the non-existent and this is what I define as nothing. Nothing isn't a physical piece of matter. Nothing is an idea referring to the "lack of". There was nothing, but it's elusive to see... another Joke.
novacrystalas 2 years ago
« It used to exist »
You are saying this: nothing used to exist. But per definition, nothing is not a thing (no-thing) that can exist. For there to be existence, it is required that there exists a thing to exist in. Therefore nothing cannot exist, and never has existed. Nothing does not exist. It is a null-concept.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
Then we will call it a void absent of all light, matter, and thought similar to the vacuum of space only even more empty.
Empty of emptiness.
novacrystalas 2 years ago
« Empty of emptiness »
It's still space, a set of dimensions, which exist, being in existence. Nothing cannot exist.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
I put empty of emptiness knowing you would pull the quote aside and have something to say about the hyperbole and void. Void is nonexistent now. It's really just a theory or concept. So I could say that it exists, but only as the concept. However, I can't tell if in some seldom observed pocket of space and time void exists. I said similar not exactly. A vacuum is very void. Void is really invalid space and time. Even without dimensions. Anything you can imagine void is the absence.
novacrystalas 2 years ago
« Void is nonexistent now »
Void implies spatial dimensions. Events imply temporal dimensionality. Neither are non-existing.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
« Anything you can imagine void is the absence »
Try and imagine the absence of *everything*. That includes, time, space, timelike or spacelike dimensionality, and existence itself. You can't. Non-existence cannot exist. Nothing cannot exist.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
But I tell you, I'm perceiving that you may be more interested in a ruse of debate than believing a Truth so inconvenient.
But life is short & you've got more to loose if you're wrong rather than I. Which by the way is not the reason I believe, but it is the reason why you or another really ought to reconsider believing real Christianity. I have both seen and experienced things (whether through first hand & real life, or by books & historical text) things which have me utterly convinced.
seeinglight 2 years ago
« which have me utterly convinced »
Which is as may be, but since none of these things are independently verifiable, I will remain unconvinced. Perhaps having a personal experience might convince me personally, but no amount of testimonies about personal experiences from other people is going to be convincing.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
I'm not saying that you should be utterly convinced on the whole based solely on the testimonies of a few others... Howbeit, maybe you shouldn't write them off so quickly. After all, if you lived near a train-station and someone came to you and urgently tried to persuade you to leave because there's an out-of-control train on its way... You'd certainly be taking some very serious consideration. Because you've seen enough to know that people can die from train accidents.
seeinglight 2 years ago
« maybe you shouldn't write them off so quickly »
I don't write them off any more or less quickly than I would personal testimonies in any other case, be it in a court of law, a scientific process, or whatever. Personal testimonies can provide interesting clues, but they are in themselves not evidence.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
« persuade you to leave because there's an out-of-control train »
In which case there'd be good evidence to show that such might be the case. After all, we can verify that trains and rails exist, and it has happened before that a train got out of control. The claim that one is right now is not an extraordinary one, and easy enough to confirm.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
In continuing, why shouldn't you take also into account not only those who've been killed by trains, but those who's lives have really been changed by Jesus -who've found the Truth of God? I'm not saying you should hang on to every word of someone who is hysterical; but then again, even people who seem hysterical sometimes tell the Truth -'Like a Train is gonna wreck your house!'
Take the fundamentals that you know... you're likely -but not guaranteed- to live yet a bit longer... & ask for God.
seeinglight 2 years ago
« but those who's lives have really been changed by Jesus -who've found the Truth of God? »
Because there's no evidence that any such change is the result of divine influence rather than the psychology of belief. We know that experiences can cause people's lives to radically change *without* there being any supernatural influence.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
Because God created everything...
seeinglight 2 years ago
« Because God created everything... »
Ah, finally, somebody who is willing to play.
Okay, so why does god exist?
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
"Why does God exist?"
...Oy; ...hold on now ~ that's not really a fair question. I mean, suppose I asked you to tell me exactly how much the ocean weighs? Or, how many square miles of space exists throughout the universe? And then insisted that you not give me theoretical, or guesstimate type answers.
Nonetheless, I suppose I can try & say this much: That God is the only being in existence whose reasons for existence is within Himself.
seeinglight 2 years ago
« that's not really a fair question »
Isn't it? If there must be a reason why anything exists, then there must be a reason why this god exists, mustn't there? Perhaps it's not a question easily answered, but is it less fair because it's a difficult question?
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
Everything else that we can possibly know is more or less caused and finite. God is uncaused and infinite. Even our words, gestures, and for of expression has been caused or developed, so there is no way of me explaining something so beyond explanation... He/God cannot be put in a box... Though He has made Himself known to us.
seeinglight 2 years ago
« God is uncaused and infinite »
If it exists.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
« only being in existence whose reasons for existence is within Himself »
So everything needs an external reason except this one thing? And why does this one thing not need an external reason?
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
I reckon your approach here is more or less erred... That is, if you're really interested in the Truth of the matter - or All Matter (for that matter)... :)
What I mean is, everything else doesn't necessarily "need an external reason" (as you 'assumed' by me), but it just has an external reason. The only time it may so much "need" a reason is so that it may suffice the reasoner.
And for your last question, why does God not need an external reason? -Maybe you ought to think about that some more.
seeinglight 2 years ago
« What I mean is, everything else doesn't necessarily "need an external reason" »
So if things don't require an "external reason", then on what grounds do you conclude that anything has such a reason?
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
Well, I was saying that they don't require them per se, but that they have them. More or less that is... we only call it that - as it relates to us. Nonetheless, you, or a flower, or the planet Neptune exists whether one beseeches its reason for being.
In short; everything that has a beginning has then been caused to exist. It therefore appears to have a cause or "reason" as we/you call it.
seeinglight 2 years ago
« but that they have them »
Yes, and I asked: "on what grounds do you conclude that anything has such a reason?"
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
« appears to have a cause or "reason" »
No, cause and reason are two different things. Reason denotes intent, cause merely denotes origin. Let's keep things clear in that regard.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
Ok...
but when a being has the "intent" to create an "origin" - there's meaning and a relationship there. That is what I was saying.
seeinglight 2 years ago
« That is what I was saying »
You are saying that when there's intent, there's intent. Yes, I get that. The purpose behind the question I ask (Why does anything exist) is of course to establish wether or not it is logical to assume that there must be intent.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
Dear sir, when you created this video and posed the question, "why does anything exist?" I ask you, (and this is as much rhetorical as it is for an honest response) did you have a reason/intent when at the origin of your desire you created/caused this video/question?
Really, the DNA per se of anything that exists is intent.
seeinglight 2 years ago
« did you have a reason/intent »
Yes, I did. Is there a reason for me existing? Is there a reason for the universe in which I exist existing? Is there a reason for whatever caused the universe to originate to exist? And so on.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
but then again.. Human Falibility i could be very well incorrect This is in a sense a pointless question wouldnt you agree?
its asking Why do i exist, why does this or that exist.. Does it need an answer X Gral?
(been a Subscriber for a while now)
555D3M0N666 2 years ago
« Does it need an answer »
I don't think it does. But I'm curious what humans think anyway ;)
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
using Logical Absolutes one can ascertain that Things Exist Simple because they can, Not that something need be dependent upon another thing for existence because Existence isnt defined as. Tangible. There is Abstract and Conceptual Existence.
so i suppose it depends upon *what* you would define as "anything"
moreover i would say there need not be a reason other than it does because it can.
555D3M0N666 2 years ago
Why does there have to be a why? There is a how, for most things, that is enough.
fantasy0coach 2 years ago
« Why does there have to be a why? »
Hey, *I* am the one asking the questions here, okay? ;-)
I'm trying to make a point regarding infinite regression. Perhaps I should elaborate in a next video, see if I can't provoke some teleogogical thinkers into responding.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
A theist would simply parrot " because god created it". They cannot think beyond this.
Time is infinite in both directions, as evidenced by the question; If there was a beginning, what was before that? But once again it is not an explanation a theist can absorb. Their minds are narrow.
fantasy0coach 2 years ago
« Time is infinite in both directions »
I would contest that. But it does not matter: time is relevant in questions regarding causation. But I am not asking for causes, but for explanations, or more specifically, reasons.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
Reasons that dont need to exist. As i first said...there is no need for a 'why', when it comes to existence.
fantasy0coach 2 years ago
« Reasons that dont need to exist »
That is what I believe. But I am reasoning from the perspective that a reason must exist.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
Then it isnt reasoning. it is fantasizing.
fantasy0coach 2 years ago
« Then it isnt reasoning »
Reasoning is a process that uses logic to arrive at conclusions from certain premises. I have taken a fallacious premise (nl. that a reason should exist for everything) and intend to lead teleological thinkers through the process of reasoning starting from this premise. I expect you know what the result will be. Clearer now?
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
It wont work, they cant reason from a fallacious premise, any more than they can reason from a reasonable premise. The problem is...they cant reason....if they could, you wouldnt have to start from an unreasonable premise.
fantasy0coach 2 years ago
« The problem is...they cant reason »
You may be right. Somebody probably needs to hold their hand taking them through the process.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
If infinity is true, every atom holds an infinite universe within itself. Maybe? What goes up comes down and that which expands infinitely breaks down infinitely. I'm no physicist lol
fetalbetal 2 years ago
« If infinity is true, every atom holds an infinite universe within itself »
How does that follow, please?
« What goes up comes down and that which expands infinitely breaks down infinitely »
... Ah, on that bycicle...
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
My personal theory( which would most likely be destroyed by a physicist) is this: Every "string" that makes up the tiniest form of anything is actually an expanding universe of it's own containing within itself an infinite amount of small expanding universes. In other words we could be in the leg of a table on some alien world and not even know. I'm not sure if it makes sense but it's the only way I can conceptualize infinity.
fetalbetal 2 years ago
For the record I don't believe there is any specific purpose, it is our job as concious matter to motivate ourselves. I think everyone is an anti-theist but they haven't found out yet. I'm ready to debate! >: D, if need be of course. What is this bicycle you speak of? I know the joke's on me but I'd like to know.
fetalbetal 2 years ago
« What is this bicycle »
Merely a Dutch manner of speech ;) Equivalent to "O, I see" (Aha, op die fiets ~ lit. translation ~ Aha, on that bicycle). There, now you know how to respond to any remark or question in Dutch.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
You're alright in my book friend.
fetalbetal 2 years ago
Does it require a reason to exist?
garith21 2 years ago
« Does it require a reason to exist? »
No. But let's assume for a minute it does. The question, of course, is directed at theists who argue that there must be a reason and purpose to everything.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
hmm, I suppose I would respond "I don't know" then again if people were intellectually honest enough to give that response they wouldn't accept most of the arguments for any god's existence.
garith21 2 years ago
« I suppose »
Perhaps I should have been a bit more provocative and asked the question "Is there a reason anything exists?" along with the question "What is that reason?". The problem I'm trying to address here is that of infinite regression.
XGralgrathor 2 years ago
hmm, perhaps, but that in it's self ends up being an argument from ignorance or it's own infinite regression.
In regards to the change of phrasing, I agree it would be both more provocative and clear.
garith21 2 years ago
because things happen
fetalbetal 2 years ago
« because things happen »
They certainly seem to...
XGralgrathor 2 years ago