I would argue that Taekwondo is not stupid or dumb if it's what you like and you realise this hole exists and you just like it as a sport.It's a duel of skill that is very unique, you're using your legs in crazy ways most people can't,you're developing skill in something that is pretty cool and FUN!MMA is stupid too,it's not fighting, it's a sport too. Notice how when human beings fight in every single time period in every single culture they use these things unique to humans,WEAPONS.MMA doesn't
One of my favourite things about Joe, is that he admits when he done something stupid and moves on. In this case, TKD. IMHO TKD is a wicked sport, but when it comes to fighting i mean, in a bar, on the street, in the park...Meh, and just because Joe was champion on different levels he still admits he made a mistake and can move on. I love that Joe isn't ignorant, even of his own past. respect.
@kleash Actually, he regulalrly explains that he doesn't believe the most common UFC styles are the way to go, he believes that you should utilise the most efficent techniques from all martial arts. He is a huge believer in the turning side kick from Tae Kwon Do, or leg grapples from Sambo
it is very stupid and naive to think that TKD is the ultimate martial art!! joe rogan you smoke too much pot! TKD is not dumb!!! u are dumb to think you are the ultimate weapon just because you are good at TKD!!! PF!! PURE IGNORANCe!!!
mma is based on alot of these arts joe talks about and mma would not be here without this foundation. Joe needs to think before he speaks a little more often.
think the sport of taekwodo like boxing. in boxing you use your hands and taekwondo you use your legs. as to say the entire art is useless is a single tracked thought.
I dont know where he trained, but when I train hands are just important as the kicks. It seems that he is comparing his whole experience of taekwondo to the sport of it. If that is all you train in of course if you move to something like kickboxing of course it will be a shock. over all I cannot agree with him.
It's just a business/political/sport part of TKD that's corrupted. But the art itself has useful elements that can be utilized if mastered and applied properly. I have TKD friends myself who helped me with kicking techniques. FFS, even Joe Rogan teaches GSP spinning side kicks and spinning back kicks and that's only few percent of TKD's effectiveness.
I currently train Muay Thai but I have friends at my gym who have taken TKD when they were kids and have taken it for a long time, enough to get black belts in them. Their kicks are extremely annoying when I spar or fight with them and they have utilize their TKD techniques with their kickboxing skills and it's very effective. I wish I had mastered the kicks that they execute. TKD may not be reliable stand-up art but it's a very effective supplemental art.
I believe that Rogan doesn't dig TKD because he believed in it as a strong stand-up art reliable enough to hold his own. TKD is not a useless martial art. If mastered and utilized properly while cross-training with other kickboxing-type of stand-up form, its effectiveness can be shown and seen. This is clearly proven by fighters like Cung Le, Anthony Pettis, David Louiseau, Anderson Silva, and Cro Cop. It's no coincidence that their mostly used strikes are kicks than any other parts of the limbs
he obviously never saw TKD dude beating the shit out of MuayThai dude in K1... It's never about the style, its what works for you best... fact that he finds most primitive arts most practical to him is his problem, don't tell people that TKD is dumb, TKDo is great martial art and even so is only kicking involved, I use to kick the shit out of MMA fighters, never using my hands. Why? because that style works for me, and it happens every training today, people can't even get close to me.
@XW0RKS Rather than spewing your anecdotal evidence that ain't worth shit, try making a better disputing statement that directly contradicts Rogan's statement. While I don't fully agree with Rogan, try putting better examples out there.
@XW0RKS Nothing primitive about an art than can become effective in less than 6 months.
After 6 months of boxing you can kick,well punch, someones ass.Doesnt mean its primitive.It just gets better with years and years of training.
But i definetly do enjoy Bjj the most becaouse it has an endless reservoir ot techniqes and ways to utilize them.And you can NEVER truly master it all.
@znjfl then you'll have to accept the same about every other martial art out there... it's never about martial art, it's about the practitioner and his level of skills.
@XW0RKS I never said ANY martial art is bad.There is nothing bad about something that works wonders for your health,both physical and mental,your physical abilities and self confidence.
But some are still better than others.By better i mean more efficient.
Ofcourse its also about the fighter,but its NOT just about the fighter,ats also abotut he art.
Royce Gracie wasnt a better fighter than ALL the others in early UFC,he simply mastered an art that worked better than others.
lucky me I learned Karate way before I learned TKD...last time I fight I actually used my soccer skills and kick that dude's face like it was a free-kick! funny I tried not to hurt him...most of this things use in Martial Arts are deathly- personal defense techniques!!! eyes in the throat and small joint manipulation...all of this forbiden in MMA... it's useless to compare martial arts and joe rogan is sepaking out of his ass right now.... if one trains TKD for competition only is retarded!
@epicureo25 I like how people STILL mention how small joint manipulation,eye gouges and throat strikes are illegal in MMA,and use THAT as an excuse why it isnt effective in MMA.
Apperently everybody forgot about early UFC where a tiny little Royce Gracie threw their asses all over the mat and all those "illegal" techniques where alowed,groin shots included.
Vale Tudo,early UFC,Gracie challenge,no rules,and the "deadly ninja techniqes" where worth shit.
@znjfl I don;t know what the fu## are you talking about? I'm not talking shit about MMA! but why do you think those tecjniques are forbiden in MMA? groundwork??? pf!! you don't know shit about Martial arts! why do you think that even great BJJ master prefer to finish a fight standing up?? we go to the ground as our last option! what are you saying? if I break ur neck u r not going to die?? hahahahaha!
@epicureo25 <i think you are the one who doesnt know what the F you are talking about...
Certain techniques are forbidden to protect fighters from unwanted injuries,not becaouse they are "super effective"
An eye gauge can make you go blind,punches "probably" wont.It doesnt mean they are too deadly to be used in MMA.They WHERE used in early UFC and they were worth shit,thats all i was saying.
In MMA Bjj masters prefer finishing on the ground,not stand up.Pulling shit out of your ass much?
@znjfl lol say whatever you want to say....I've always finish a fight standing up! no need to go to the floor...I can fall on a piece of glass or/if fighting more than one guy (always the case) the other person can stab me from behind!! but what do ya know kid!! I don;t like eye gauge...but a finger in your throat would definitely take you out of combat...you should know what kind of things are use in the military and then comment out of your ass...
@epicureo25 The military uses among others Bjj,their instructors are often the Gracie Academy,i guess you should do some research instead.You mentioned in the same text how groundfigthing is useless in self defense and then say "check what the military does"....
Kudos to you for finishing your fights stand up,but sooner or later your ass will fall to the ground,and then you are going to wish you knew Bjj.
@znjfl shut ur stupid ass! I never said bjj is useless! haha! u don't even know how to defend your point! u argue because u r an angry son of a bitch! I pity ur ignorance...how many times have u ever had a street figh? ....hmmm ...ok I'm sorry you are not more educated in other martial arts....do you know Anderson Silva? probably the best MMA fighter in the world? he likes to finish his opponents standing up!! he only uses his bjj skills when he has no other choice!! in ur face noobster!
@epicureo25 No problem,keep saying whatever you wish to say.After reading your text which consists mostly of insults and half assed asumptions i have apsolutely no need explain myself to a rude,childish martial arts wannabe.No martial artist would go and say the things you said.And im not even saying you have to be the calm spiritualist or bullshit like that but if you actually trained an MA seriously you would have enough self control not to start a text with "shut ur stupid ass!" .........
@znjfl don't waste my time....i'm not a wannabe...no martial artist?? ...ps: shut ur stupid ass already!! u r fucjking anoying! ... one day u'll see things differently....i wish u the best in ur future endeavors....groung and pound = great 4 mma!!! no doubt about it! just like diaz lost to condit!! very gay!!! condit never had the intention to finish the fight!!! now go play w/ ur dolls!!
@ulysse75 yea? why? who the f. r you? miyagi sensei?? ... SPORT COMBAT FIGHTER? WTF IS THAT? listen I don't like to fight , but I can defend myself against one or more people at the same time...I can fight w/ rules and without them as well... the difference is that I know what works and when!!! different styles for different people for different situations!!! Joe rogan can't say tkd is useless...I've seen fights over in a blink of an eye for an tornado kick!!!
@epicureo25 ok buddy ! relax ! go to the library and pick up a book with no images and try to read it ! and ask your parents why they did not tell you not to insult people you don't know ! do you understand ?? educate yourself ! FOR CHRIST SAKE ! ARE YOU FUCKIN BLACK OR WHAT !!??
@ulysse75 lol! didi you just ask me to educate myself?...lol christ? black? I don't even know what to answer to you....obviously you are one perturbed fuck!... you've long lost the point!! r you going to bring my parents into this? lol are you retarded? when have i insulted you? is not my fault ur mom was a fucking crack-head while she was pregnant with you! get a life loser!
I had the same fucking thing when I went from Taekwon-do (ITF) to kickboxing. The kicking isnt a problem but the boxing is where I got my ass kicked pretty much all the time lol.
speed,reflexes,control anything that trains those 3 things will improve your ability to fight dramaticly. if you know where to hit to cause alot of dmg and your fast and have much quicker reflexes than most people. you will likely beable to defend yourself very well. taekwondo trains those. might not be effective against mma fighters. what mma fighters are going around attacking people ? even then i can hold my own against most any other martial arts fighters and iam mostly tkd
anyone who says tkd is not effective in self defence does not know what there talking about, there just mma fan boys who think tkd is gay because they couldnt afford lessons growing up so they like to make fun of it now iam a tkd black belt and everyone who has started a fight with me has ended up regretting it. most the time i didnt have to fight at all only scare them with very good control. speed reflexes and balance and control all much improved because of tkd. all wich will make you better
MMA fighters fight in a rules based competition. Most opinions herein for MMAers are based mostly on what you see in performances. So in essence, MMA is like tae kwon do..with rules. Its just hyped up beat em up sport.. Way to find out is really to test it in real life if you think otherwise...no I want you to test it :) Not because chuck liddell took out tito ortiz in MMA doesnt mean MMA is the best.. And yes Chuck is the man ..
Early UFC didnt have rules and everybody got their shit thrown around by a small Royce Gracie.Their "deadly" self defence techniques where nullified by "simple" groundwork.
Current MMA fighters have striking 1000% better than what most of early UFC fighters have shown and have enough ground game knowledge to effectivly defend against even Bjj black belts,which also means they could easily dominate someone with NO groundgame knowledge.
essentially there is no argument MMA is made up of all the traditional and olympic combat styles so its everything in one all styles have there advatages & disadvantages but to say one is shit and one is good is just narrowminded and disrespectfull.
This debate of MMA vs. TMA is tired. Every art has purpose and validity. Problem is in how you approach training and fighting in general.Do you blindly except what someone teaches you or do you filter through it and take what works for you? Remember also, MMA uses techniques that all TMAs teach, whether at low or high levels. In the end, the choice is yours; the fighter decides what he learns, keeps, uses, and trains for. To all martial artists (TMA or MMA) keep training! God bless... Peace!
I'm 5th Dan TKD instructor, and traditional arts do still serve their purpose. It's not all about going out and beating the crap out of somebody for a paycheck. I can't believe JR, as a former instructor, is insulting the arts. True martial artists don't do that. Besides most of the top UFC fighters have traditional backgrounds, and in a recent UFC fight a spinning hook kick won a match. The UFC has rules and weight classes for fighter protection, so it's not no-holds-barred fighting.
@klowe007 he talks about facts here brother. if you want effectiveness in a fight! i to have a muay thai back ground but i chose that becouse i thought it was most effective when i fought ones a mma fighter i was better in the stand up but he got me to the ground and choked the liveing hell out of me. well if that was a real fight to the death i would have lost that is what the guy means...... he wants to tell you all that if you mix all of those to gether you would create the ultimate fighter.
@OmfgK0D I have to agree. I guess his tone just bothered me. TKD/Hapkido are a great mix, but no one art is superior to another. I've also sparred with mma friends and the results varied. In all fairness I have also studied Shotokan, Taichi, and Wing Chun. Traditional Korean/Japanese arts do have standing chokes and choke defense that work as well on the ground...not to the level of BJJ, but they have to be emphasized to students...sadly most instructors don't. --keep on kick'in bro!
@klowe007 I disagree about one art not being superior to another. If we're talking purely self defense, the milage varies quite a bit. At the end of the day, it relies on the proficiency of the practitioner, but take the example of when the Gracies brought BJJ to the UFC. People had no idea how to stop it. Simply put, it was a superior technique. Get a skilled MMA fighter with almost any traditional martial art (one style) fighter and my money is on the MMA guy. Every. Single. Time. :)
@Kirodoc You make a good point and I do partly agree. I don't consider mma an art, but a collection skills as the name implies. Of course any "single" art will be at a huge disadvantage. I agree...the practitioner is key. "Full-contact" (not sport) traditional arts are under rated and do not get the commercial appeal of mma. An equally skilled traditionalist vs. mma (no mma rules) would be a good match. Youtube has clips, but one fighter is always obviously superior. Much respect bro!
@Kirodoc Just talking kicking...Olympic taekwondo is effective. Even GSP openly said many times that Joe Rogan has the best back kick he has ever seen, and would put GSP on his ass with it. This is true because that is all that TKD works on, so they of course will be the best at it. MMA is about supplementing the weak points in your game with other disciplines. MMA is not a martial art; it is just cross training in a few. Add boxing and BJJ to TKD and you have a solid MMA fighter.
@seanyglass But I will say that I will put my money on any fighter who was the best at one discipline who learned a couple others to be ccompetetitive in MMA, rather than put my money on a fighter who trains from day one at an MMA school. Time has shown us that this always holds true. Chuck LIdell's wrestling kept him from being taken down, and his kickboxing gave him KO power. Anderson Silva's amateur boxing is what allows him to be light years ahead of anyone else's MMA boxing.
@seanyglass There are too many MMA schools that are popping up that are training fighters from day one and they learn BJJ and muay thai freom the start, but they aren't BJJ wort
@seanyglass ...but they aren't BJJ world champs, and they aren't muay thai champs first, so when they face an NCAA 4 time all american and 2 time national champ, they are in over their heads even though they are more diversified than the wrestler who just learned a little standup. This is because the wrestler is so good at that one thing that he dictates where the fight goes. It always comes down to whomever is better at what they do, and not about the art itself.
@seanyglass I disagree that MMA isn't an art. I think it gets passed over because it doesn't have a fancy name. In fact, in my opinion, it is THE martial art. It's the highest order of sport unarmed combat technique. Bruce Lee was the pioneer of MMA, but he called it Jeet Kune Do. The premise was exactly the same. It's not about covering weaknesses as much as it about using the most effective techniques for a given situation. We may simply disagree on what we consider an 'art'.
@znjfl Yeah, I know about Pankration. To be fair, that wasn't about combining all different martial arts into one, supremely effective style. It was a combination of wrestling and 'boxing' for the most part. Sure, two or three styles mixed, but not at all like what Bruce was trying to do. He broke down numerous styles dating back 1,000 years in some cases and sought to create a living, ever evolving style. I don't think anyone before him did it so comprehensibly and effectively.
@Kirodoc I agree that it wasnt to the level of todays MMA or what Bruce Lee intended Jeet Kun Do to be but in a way it still was the first MMA.By simple definition of the word any 2 or more martial arts combined are MMA.But i know what you mean.
Shaolin Kempo is the first "MMA" by the definition of "Mixing martial arts into a single system" Because Kempo is Okinawan Karate, Chinese Kung fu, and Japanese Jujitsu. This system came about due to merchants from China, Japan, and Okinawa (and we can throw in Korea to be nice) but these guys would trade martial techniques as well as goods. And then a style that mixed them all together was created. Linear powerful movements of Karate, fluif circular ones of KF,and grappling from JJ.First MMA =)
@ChamorruWarrior Pankration came before that.It was basicly boxing and wrestling,which can easily be considered MMA.And even tough MMA is a sport its no less effective in self defence than actual martial arts.
In the early UFC everythign was allowed,no techniques were banned,and Bjj still EASILY beat them all.MMA is now MUCH more advanced,most fighters now know Bjj as well as plenty of other MA`s.
But i do agree that warfare is still much different,no MA can save you from weapons.
@clearcombat I would refer you to my reply to znjfl a few days ago, regarding pankration as the first MMA. Combing a few styles is not what Bruce Lee did. He did a critical analysis of all MA he could learn from and combined a set of the best techniques he could apply to real world combat. No one in recorded history has done such a thing to near the extent he did. That said, who knows what other amazing styles have been lost to history.
The "hole" that Rogan is talking about is style specific to Olympic style TKD. They are taught not to really use their hands for punching or blocking. That is why they get knocked out so often or do not do well against "boxers" or "kick-boxers". I have trained in both Olympic and Traditional TKD, and let me tell you that olym. is mostly worthless, but trad. is a force to be reckoned with. A great example is Anthony "Showtime" Pettis. Another is Brian Davidson who recently beat Jens Pulver
@cvilleTKD I train Muay Thai and I know that lot of people like to bash TKD. But TKD has very useful kicks if mastered and applied correctly while being well-rounded. It's not an exception or coincidence that MMA fighters with TKD background tend to have very good kicks. Cung Le is prolly the best example out. It's just a sport/business/political part of TKD that ruins lot of reputation of TKD but the art itself has great elements to offer and has been proven effective.
@cvilleTKD You're right bro. I'm a 5th Dan WTF-style TKD instructor, and we incorporate a lot of Hapkido into our training which has great hand technique. Since both arts were born from the same style it makes sense.
TKD is not a useless art. It's just not a reliable stand-up art to depend on for MMA or full contact and it takes awfully long time to master just to apply few good techniques when you can learn other arts like muay thai more effectively for stand-up. There are fighters who have used TKD and been successful with it although they all took kickboxing variants for their stand-ups. Cung Le, Ben Henderson, David Louseau, Anthony Pettis, Ben Henderson, Anderson Silva, Cro Cop, etc.
I'm a Joe Rogan fan but I believe the reason why Joe Rogan hates TKD is because he believed in it so much as a complete martial art. He does mention how there are transferable elements from TKD into MMA but compare to all that time he spent in TKD, he figured that he could've taken Muay Thai or BJJ or other MMA-suited arts that are more effective. Joe relied on TKD as a primary stand-up art instead of thinking of it as supplemental art.
NEVER, EVER DROP YOUR HANDS IN TKD! Yellow belts should know this. Side note, about three quarters of the forms are hand techniques, so saying that TKD is only kicking is pretty retarded. Don't troll, it's the truth.
He says that he got really good at something that is dumb (TKD), yet he points out where many of the kicks and foot work can be used in MMA. Then lets look at what "dumb" really is. A man goes from TKD (minimal risk of injury) to kickboxing and MMA (high risk of permanent injury). I call that dumb.
TKD is amazing everyone who keeps it sucks is thinkg of WTF TKD. those are the guys who never use their hands they are the ones that suck. ITF is where its at it employs knees elbows kicks punches throws joint manipulation everything. its the art of self defense, in tournaments you cant use these but if you study and train hard its useful in real situations. Ups to ITF
TKD is great, as far as the kicks go. The second you do boxing, then mix it with tkd and a little bit of mui thai, i think your stand up game would be practically unstoppable
This dude needs to stick to Fear Factor, because if he was a true martial artist he would have work on learning to strengthen all his weakness. I take TKD but my master also teach us judo, kempo to. So we learn to be all around fighter. And one more thing that is important in martial arts, If you dont have the will to win the fight then you have already lost the fight. So it depends on you as a fighter an not the art.
Martial arts is use in all fights no matter what! The thing is not to limit yourself to one style of art. Thats what mma is, taking different martial arts and putting them together .
@hashim0820051 That's just like saying that a painter, poet or musician is limiting him/herself just because they do one style. If that is what they want to do, so what? All martial artists don't have the desire to become MMA fighters.
I'm Korean, also did Taekwondo during high school and fully agree with Joe. Taekwondo is NOT the ideal martial art to learn for self defense. DEFINITELY not.
@agneroth- I haven't read the whole thread, but the thing with MMA training is that you can use it because it's a reality fighting sport. Taekwondo is more of a game based on a sport. If you put an mma fighter on the street against a boxer, he will probably win; against a taekwando fighter, he will probably win; against a kung-fu artist, etc.. It's the real deal.
Like Muay Thai, MMA is based on really fighting. It's not a point based game. If you like to train in Taekwondo that's great, but I wouldn't recommend walking around thinking you know how to fight.
Calling anything that gets you physically active and in shape dumb shows mediocrity in the individual itself. I never understood that "if I can't kick everyone's ass this martial arts is not worth it attitude". Now whether you want to be a prize fighter or not you go with what's effective but not everyone wants to fight on the amateur or pro scene, some people just want to have fun and do something else then the daily grind.
its like saying boxing is usless in wrestling, because you cant throw punches in wrestling lol or saying jujitsu is useless in boxing. because you cant go to the ground in boxing with boxing rules. so saying taekwondo is useless in mma is the same type of comparison. just because jujitsu doesnt work in boxing does not make it useless, just because taekwondo is not good in mma does not make it useless either. infact you could say mma is useless in a taekwondo tournament
a kick is just a kick a punch is just a punch,bruce lee. it doesnt matter what art you train in, its how you use that knowledge. anything that trains your reflexes,speed,balance and control and helps condition your body is going to greatly improve your ability to win a fight. taekwondo is not a useless martial art. but any martial art has its strengths and weaknesses. its like saying muay thai is usless in jujitsu matches with jujitsu rules. lol duh because they dont train ground.
@agneroth i agree man. TKD is a great Martial arts. It's just a VERY hard martial arts to get good at. If black belts weren't handed out so easily, people would probably respect it. Im the type of person who believes TKD is a great martial arts if you are fast enough to get ur kicks efficient. It's just very hard to do and no one wants to put in the time, so they say it sucks as a whole. But it doesnt. The fighter sucks. Not the martial art. Joe just sucked compared to a fist M.Artist
@agneroth and you think tkd and Kung Fu guys don't fight mma because their best moves would be illegal? So if I invent a MA system that only involves biting, eyegouging and then a bunch of other bullshit that never works, I could convince you that I could take out Jose Aldo, but the only reason I don't is because the UFC wont let me bite him? Dude go train in an actual legit mma gym and come back to me after a week and tell me the thing.
@Beetlejuice250lbs if you put a mma guy in a ring with a boxer with boxing rules he will be at a disadvantage. or have a taekwondo guy fight a wrestler with wrestling rules, a taekwondo guy is not going to out wrestle a wrestler, a mma guy is not going to out box a boxer. with there rules you are at a disadvantage yes. a taekwondo guy does not train in mma with mma rules so you cant say its useless because it doesnt work in mma. its the same as saying a kick is useless in boxing
@Beetlejuice250lbs a taekwondo kick is anything but weak, if i kicked you i guarntee you will be hurt. bren foster on fight science through a 136 mph roundhouse kick. taekwondo kick. not even a mma fighter could do much if he got kicked at nere 2500 psi. nothing weak about its kicks, infact most its kicks hit harder than muay thais in there scientific test
@Beetlejuice250lbs and yes being able to strike to the eyes,throat and groin makes a huge difference in a fight. if i kicked somone in there groin as hard as i could it likely would be the last strike i would have to throw and they would likely go to the emergency room. or a hard eyes strike, do you think any person no matter how good of shape there in can stand being struck in the eyes hard ? no they cant. it hurts like hell and your eyes would water so bad you couldnt see to fight.
@agneroth...you mean you learned respect and balance? Cause ya kinda seem to have neither of those things. I hope you learned how to do a gay kick better than you learned how to be respectful hahaha. Dude, are you off your meds? Why are you YELLING!?!?!
@Beetlejuice250lbs iam not the one makeing fun of a martial art or calling it gay , you are the one who is being disrespectful, if taekwondo was useless thousands and thousands of people wouldnt trian in it. its not the art anyway its the fighter and how good he is at what he knows. i have much faster reflexes speed,balance and control because of taekwondo and yes i can fight 100% better than before i took it because it trained those asp
@Beetlejuice250lbs spinning back kick and other techniques even spinning back fist are used in mma often and they are taekwondo techniques. theres almost no difference in taekwondo and kick boxing. if you watch real taekwondo, itf taekwondo its almost exactly the same. olympic taekwondo where they let there amrs dangle and just kick is what gave taekwondo a bad rep. thats a sport, but real taekwondo is a martial art.from shotokahn karate.
Was Joe Rogan this dumb to realize when he was 21 that Taekwondo doesn't use the hands much?
A good fighter (regardless of the style) adapts well to any situation, that is why Joe Rogan, you actually sucked as a fighter and which is why you are not in the UFC.
Tae Kwon Do is a long range martial art. It shouldn't be used without another martial art to fill out ones arsenal.
And on Kung Fu... dude, all of that stuff you call "MMA" is taught at some point in traditional Kung Fu schools. The techniques and strategies used in the MMA aren't new or revolutionary, they've been around for centuries.
Nearly every Martial Art is useful to know in a system that promotes mixed martial arts. BJJ, Muay Thai and Sambo aren't the only disciplines out there.
Yeah .. If grandmaster of wing chun could just knock out A top guy with a thrusting finger he would .. They can't . It's like playing dungeons and dragons for many . Rogan just calls it like it Is .. 1980's are over.
@HansuTycoon Funny, but you're not saying that to any TKD black belts though are you..? TKD is not a perfect system, true. What single system is? It's not dumb by any means. And in the right body and mind, TKD can be every bit as deadly and practical as most other singular forms of martial art. It is a form about values and respect. Look into the tenets of Tae Kwon Do and you will see what it's all about, if you care. The comercial sport you see today is NOT real TKD.
Joe trained at a boxing gym near me and got an ass kicking by a female amateur among others. He then decided that punching and kicking wasn't his thing so he focused on BJJ and latched on to the whole MMA thing. Joe is actually very short, maybe like 5.6 or 5.7, he can't punch and kick because his arms and legs are too short.
@momfightdotcom You stated Joe can't punch and kick. That video just debunked your statement, making your comment's credibility worthless. He's one of best turning side kickers in MMA, approved by GSP. Even GSP, one of successful MMA fighters, learns it from Joe and gives credit and respect for Jo
@TheUFCbruh Yes, but that's not what me and momfightdotcom was discussing about. momfightdotcom stated that joe rogan couldn't succeed in tkd, hence turning to bjj and mma and that joe rogan can't punch and kick for shit. Joe Rogan has already succeeded in TKD enough to know its application to MMA, which is very little. Joe clearly knows that BJJ is the real deal, which is why he took BJJ and he's brown belt in it.
Yeah, there's a lot of unnecessary dogma and tradition in many long-respected martial arts that honestly serve no purpose but maintaining the dogma and tradition.
@Ebvardh Of course the traditions serve a purpose, but are often misinterpreted or misused. A lot of the traditions were and continue to be practiced with the intent of mastering the human body and spirituality, not fighting. For some people martial arts is not solely about how fast you can K.O. the meat head in the other corner. To render martial arts like kung fu and tae kwon do obsolete in a UFC scenario is fair enough, but that does not make them "unnecessary" or a waste of time.
@Ichigo005 I know. I studied Tang Soo Do for about three years and I get that investing yourself in any martial art has it's value. I mean, it's really special to be a part of the ideology that comes with it.
My point is that just as it can be really worthy, it can suddenly lose all meaning. And when it loses all meaning, it's really frustrating because you either continue it or become a quitter.
It just has no inherent meaning beyond what they tell you to give it.
Hello Joe this is one of the guys that fucked you up. And the reason i am writing is because i know MMA or Ultimate fighting is full of lousy fighter like you that could not kick or punch really good , Well by the way if you want to get together and train with me again write up , no longer in boston now in orlando , take care lol . Simon B.
I train in TKD(itf) and we use our hands.Jabs,hooks,crosses,upper cuts and more.I don't know where you trained Joe,but you got robbed.I thought I heard you say before that traditional martial arts were obsolete.What is MMA,but taking TMA and"MIXING"them together.Smoke another joint Joe and think before you open your mouth.
Joe sounds really stupid right now, though he doesn't even know it.
If you put all your focus in just one discipline of fighting, of course you're going to get your ass kicked by people who mix them all together aka kickboxing/mma , which Joe is obviously a dumbass for even attempting if he knew he didn't have hands, only kicks
as for tae kwon do, there are a ton of skills that transfer over such as quick reaction times and quickness on your feet, also an array of kicks (ex spin back kick)
@keviny4487 reaction time and quickness have nothing to do with knowing taekwondo, its being an athlete and also there is only a few moves that can be used like the spinning back kick but again telegraphs and can be punished if missed.
@DeFy18 Actually those two attributes are staples in every martial art; thats like saying basic arithmetic has nothing to do with knowing higher levels of math.
@DeFy18 when you compete in the highest level of TKD like Joe did, your reaction time, footwork, and reaction time are on another level, also you can easily ko someone with a telegraphed roundhouse or straight kick but you can't rely just on that, you have to set it up with other punches/kicks etc.
also i've never seen anyone get punished from missing a spinning back kick, you shouldn't use it if you can't execute it properly and at 100%
What if I put a gun to your head Joe?
hotwheels909 42 minutes ago
GSP and Ben Henderson both are UFC BELT holders, both have Black Belts in Tae kwon do.
You need all styles to fight effectively. I'm just saying
hotwheels909 45 minutes ago
I would argue that Taekwondo is not stupid or dumb if it's what you like and you realise this hole exists and you just like it as a sport.It's a duel of skill that is very unique, you're using your legs in crazy ways most people can't,you're developing skill in something that is pretty cool and FUN!MMA is stupid too,it's not fighting, it's a sport too. Notice how when human beings fight in every single time period in every single culture they use these things unique to humans,WEAPONS.MMA doesn't
ChamorruWarrior 21 hours ago
Never underestimate a martial art, just saying.
Aneyoung 1 day ago
Yep Olympic TKD is dumbbbb. Sick round, spin-hook, and back kicks but that's it.
It's best to learn TKD from a former military h2h instructor if you choose to learn it. Old school.
hyonjun 2 days ago
One of my favourite things about Joe, is that he admits when he done something stupid and moves on. In this case, TKD. IMHO TKD is a wicked sport, but when it comes to fighting i mean, in a bar, on the street, in the park...Meh, and just because Joe was champion on different levels he still admits he made a mistake and can move on. I love that Joe isn't ignorant, even of his own past. respect.
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chrisfromoh 5 days ago
black dudes who do kungfu and think it`s real? Wait is Joe Rogan blonde underneath
RandomStereotype 1 week ago
If you suck ass long enough, pretty soon youre going to choke on shit
RandomStereotype 1 week ago
An absolute twat, what kind of shitbag goes and berate every form of martial art just because they're not ideal in UFC?
kleash 1 week ago
@kleash Actually, he regulalrly explains that he doesn't believe the most common UFC styles are the way to go, he believes that you should utilise the most efficent techniques from all martial arts. He is a huge believer in the turning side kick from Tae Kwon Do, or leg grapples from Sambo
spittingbloodhc 1 week ago
it is very stupid and naive to think that TKD is the ultimate martial art!! joe rogan you smoke too much pot! TKD is not dumb!!! u are dumb to think you are the ultimate weapon just because you are good at TKD!!! PF!! PURE IGNORANCe!!!
epicureo25 1 week ago
mma is based on alot of these arts joe talks about and mma would not be here without this foundation. Joe needs to think before he speaks a little more often.
MrVeegee69 1 week ago
think the sport of taekwodo like boxing. in boxing you use your hands and taekwondo you use your legs. as to say the entire art is useless is a single tracked thought.
henryetta612 1 week ago
I dont know where he trained, but when I train hands are just important as the kicks. It seems that he is comparing his whole experience of taekwondo to the sport of it. If that is all you train in of course if you move to something like kickboxing of course it will be a shock. over all I cannot agree with him.
henryetta612 1 week ago
It's just a business/political/sport part of TKD that's corrupted. But the art itself has useful elements that can be utilized if mastered and applied properly. I have TKD friends myself who helped me with kicking techniques. FFS, even Joe Rogan teaches GSP spinning side kicks and spinning back kicks and that's only few percent of TKD's effectiveness.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 week ago
I currently train Muay Thai but I have friends at my gym who have taken TKD when they were kids and have taken it for a long time, enough to get black belts in them. Their kicks are extremely annoying when I spar or fight with them and they have utilize their TKD techniques with their kickboxing skills and it's very effective. I wish I had mastered the kicks that they execute. TKD may not be reliable stand-up art but it's a very effective supplemental art.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 week ago
I believe that Rogan doesn't dig TKD because he believed in it as a strong stand-up art reliable enough to hold his own. TKD is not a useless martial art. If mastered and utilized properly while cross-training with other kickboxing-type of stand-up form, its effectiveness can be shown and seen. This is clearly proven by fighters like Cung Le, Anthony Pettis, David Louiseau, Anderson Silva, and Cro Cop. It's no coincidence that their mostly used strikes are kicks than any other parts of the limbs
EdDy4RheelZ 1 week ago
Koreans won't dig that. haha your tradition is dumb. But the evidence is on his side.
derangius 1 week ago
he obviously never saw TKD dude beating the shit out of MuayThai dude in K1... It's never about the style, its what works for you best... fact that he finds most primitive arts most practical to him is his problem, don't tell people that TKD is dumb, TKDo is great martial art and even so is only kicking involved, I use to kick the shit out of MMA fighters, never using my hands. Why? because that style works for me, and it happens every training today, people can't even get close to me.
XW0RKS 2 weeks ago
@XW0RKS Rather than spewing your anecdotal evidence that ain't worth shit, try making a better disputing statement that directly contradicts Rogan's statement. While I don't fully agree with Rogan, try putting better examples out there.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 week ago
@XW0RKS "primitive" arts?
What "primitive" arts where you refering to?
znjfl 1 week ago
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@znjfl all those you can learn in less then 6 months !
XW0RKS 1 week ago
@XW0RKS Nothing primitive about an art than can become effective in less than 6 months.
After 6 months of boxing you can kick,well punch, someones ass.Doesnt mean its primitive.It just gets better with years and years of training.
But i definetly do enjoy Bjj the most becaouse it has an endless reservoir ot techniqes and ways to utilize them.And you can NEVER truly master it all.
znjfl 1 week ago
@znjfl then you'll have to accept the same about every other martial art out there... it's never about martial art, it's about the practitioner and his level of skills.
XW0RKS 1 week ago
@XW0RKS I never said ANY martial art is bad.There is nothing bad about something that works wonders for your health,both physical and mental,your physical abilities and self confidence.
But some are still better than others.By better i mean more efficient.
Ofcourse its also about the fighter,but its NOT just about the fighter,ats also abotut he art.
Royce Gracie wasnt a better fighter than ALL the others in early UFC,he simply mastered an art that worked better than others.
znjfl 1 week ago
lucky me I learned Karate way before I learned TKD...last time I fight I actually used my soccer skills and kick that dude's face like it was a free-kick! funny I tried not to hurt him...most of this things use in Martial Arts are deathly- personal defense techniques!!! eyes in the throat and small joint manipulation...all of this forbiden in MMA... it's useless to compare martial arts and joe rogan is sepaking out of his ass right now.... if one trains TKD for competition only is retarded!
epicureo25 2 weeks ago
@epicureo25
no, they aren't "deathly".
TheCantorian 2 weeks ago
@TheCantorian what do you mean? "no they aren't deathly"? ...what isn't deathly? what???
epicureo25 2 weeks ago
@epicureo25 I like how people STILL mention how small joint manipulation,eye gouges and throat strikes are illegal in MMA,and use THAT as an excuse why it isnt effective in MMA.
Apperently everybody forgot about early UFC where a tiny little Royce Gracie threw their asses all over the mat and all those "illegal" techniques where alowed,groin shots included.
Vale Tudo,early UFC,Gracie challenge,no rules,and the "deadly ninja techniqes" where worth shit.
Not saying Karate isnt usefull,it is.
znjfl 1 week ago
@znjfl I don;t know what the fu## are you talking about? I'm not talking shit about MMA! but why do you think those tecjniques are forbiden in MMA? groundwork??? pf!! you don't know shit about Martial arts! why do you think that even great BJJ master prefer to finish a fight standing up?? we go to the ground as our last option! what are you saying? if I break ur neck u r not going to die?? hahahahaha!
epicureo25 1 week ago
@epicureo25 <i think you are the one who doesnt know what the F you are talking about...
Certain techniques are forbidden to protect fighters from unwanted injuries,not becaouse they are "super effective"
An eye gauge can make you go blind,punches "probably" wont.It doesnt mean they are too deadly to be used in MMA.They WHERE used in early UFC and they were worth shit,thats all i was saying.
In MMA Bjj masters prefer finishing on the ground,not stand up.Pulling shit out of your ass much?
znjfl 1 week ago
And where exactly did i say breaking someones neck wont kill him(its possible that it wont though)??
I train Bjj i know of its effectivness and i never said anything against it...Try reading actually?
znjfl 1 week ago
@znjfl lol say whatever you want to say....I've always finish a fight standing up! no need to go to the floor...I can fall on a piece of glass or/if fighting more than one guy (always the case) the other person can stab me from behind!! but what do ya know kid!! I don;t like eye gauge...but a finger in your throat would definitely take you out of combat...you should know what kind of things are use in the military and then comment out of your ass...
epicureo25 1 week ago
@epicureo25 The military uses among others Bjj,their instructors are often the Gracie Academy,i guess you should do some research instead.You mentioned in the same text how groundfigthing is useless in self defense and then say "check what the military does"....
Kudos to you for finishing your fights stand up,but sooner or later your ass will fall to the ground,and then you are going to wish you knew Bjj.
znjfl 1 week ago
@znjfl shut ur stupid ass! I never said bjj is useless! haha! u don't even know how to defend your point! u argue because u r an angry son of a bitch! I pity ur ignorance...how many times have u ever had a street figh? ....hmmm ...ok I'm sorry you are not more educated in other martial arts....do you know Anderson Silva? probably the best MMA fighter in the world? he likes to finish his opponents standing up!! he only uses his bjj skills when he has no other choice!! in ur face noobster!
epicureo25 1 week ago
@epicureo25 No problem,keep saying whatever you wish to say.After reading your text which consists mostly of insults and half assed asumptions i have apsolutely no need explain myself to a rude,childish martial arts wannabe.No martial artist would go and say the things you said.And im not even saying you have to be the calm spiritualist or bullshit like that but if you actually trained an MA seriously you would have enough self control not to start a text with "shut ur stupid ass!" .........
znjfl 1 week ago
........and finish with "in ur face noobster!"
Seriously? in your face noobster? Are you 12?
znjfl 1 week ago
@znjfl don't waste my time....i'm not a wannabe...no martial artist?? ...ps: shut ur stupid ass already!! u r fucjking anoying! ... one day u'll see things differently....i wish u the best in ur future endeavors....groung and pound = great 4 mma!!! no doubt about it! just like diaz lost to condit!! very gay!!! condit never had the intention to finish the fight!!! now go play w/ ur dolls!!
epicureo25 1 week ago
@epicureo25 you might be a sport combat fighter but in no way a martial ARTIST my friend...
ulysse75 3 days ago
@ulysse75 yea? why? who the f. r you? miyagi sensei?? ... SPORT COMBAT FIGHTER? WTF IS THAT? listen I don't like to fight , but I can defend myself against one or more people at the same time...I can fight w/ rules and without them as well... the difference is that I know what works and when!!! different styles for different people for different situations!!! Joe rogan can't say tkd is useless...I've seen fights over in a blink of an eye for an tornado kick!!!
epicureo25 2 days ago
@epicureo25 ok buddy ! relax ! go to the library and pick up a book with no images and try to read it ! and ask your parents why they did not tell you not to insult people you don't know ! do you understand ?? educate yourself ! FOR CHRIST SAKE ! ARE YOU FUCKIN BLACK OR WHAT !!??
ulysse75 1 day ago
@ulysse75 lol! didi you just ask me to educate myself?...lol christ? black? I don't even know what to answer to you....obviously you are one perturbed fuck!... you've long lost the point!! r you going to bring my parents into this? lol are you retarded? when have i insulted you? is not my fault ur mom was a fucking crack-head while she was pregnant with you! get a life loser!
epicureo25 12 hours ago
I had the same fucking thing when I went from Taekwon-do (ITF) to kickboxing. The kicking isnt a problem but the boxing is where I got my ass kicked pretty much all the time lol.
Gamekingz0r1 2 weeks ago
speed,reflexes,control anything that trains those 3 things will improve your ability to fight dramaticly. if you know where to hit to cause alot of dmg and your fast and have much quicker reflexes than most people. you will likely beable to defend yourself very well. taekwondo trains those. might not be effective against mma fighters. what mma fighters are going around attacking people ? even then i can hold my own against most any other martial arts fighters and iam mostly tkd
agneroth 2 weeks ago
anyone who says tkd is not effective in self defence does not know what there talking about, there just mma fan boys who think tkd is gay because they couldnt afford lessons growing up so they like to make fun of it now iam a tkd black belt and everyone who has started a fight with me has ended up regretting it. most the time i didnt have to fight at all only scare them with very good control. speed reflexes and balance and control all much improved because of tkd. all wich will make you better
agneroth 2 weeks ago
wow..there is a giant hole in Tae KwOn Do!!
oneminuteworkout 2 weeks ago
@SkemeKos
MMA fighters fight in a rules based competition. Most opinions herein for MMAers are based mostly on what you see in performances. So in essence, MMA is like tae kwon do..with rules. Its just hyped up beat em up sport.. Way to find out is really to test it in real life if you think otherwise...no I want you to test it :) Not because chuck liddell took out tito ortiz in MMA doesnt mean MMA is the best.. And yes Chuck is the man ..
kittykat76 2 weeks ago
@kittykat76 Your "rules" argument is invalid.
Early UFC didnt have rules and everybody got their shit thrown around by a small Royce Gracie.Their "deadly" self defence techniques where nullified by "simple" groundwork.
Current MMA fighters have striking 1000% better than what most of early UFC fighters have shown and have enough ground game knowledge to effectivly defend against even Bjj black belts,which also means they could easily dominate someone with NO groundgame knowledge.
znjfl 1 week ago
hahah joe rogan, dont compare gong fu to tkd, gong fu kills tkd all day.
youtryingtobelikeme 2 weeks ago
essentially there is no argument MMA is made up of all the traditional and olympic combat styles so its everything in one all styles have there advatages & disadvantages but to say one is shit and one is good is just narrowminded and disrespectfull.
Zoeldog27 2 weeks ago
@Zoeldog27 he was just trying to make a point, obviously he loves tae kwon do you nit picking idiot.
AZWIN90 2 weeks ago
This debate of MMA vs. TMA is tired. Every art has purpose and validity. Problem is in how you approach training and fighting in general.Do you blindly except what someone teaches you or do you filter through it and take what works for you? Remember also, MMA uses techniques that all TMAs teach, whether at low or high levels. In the end, the choice is yours; the fighter decides what he learns, keeps, uses, and trains for. To all martial artists (TMA or MMA) keep training! God bless... Peace!
pistol975 2 weeks ago
TKD is a joke, it always has been in the cage.
I knew a steroid using TKD champion........a high school kid was taking him down at will.
MiamiKOfan 3 weeks ago
I'm 5th Dan TKD instructor, and traditional arts do still serve their purpose. It's not all about going out and beating the crap out of somebody for a paycheck. I can't believe JR, as a former instructor, is insulting the arts. True martial artists don't do that. Besides most of the top UFC fighters have traditional backgrounds, and in a recent UFC fight a spinning hook kick won a match. The UFC has rules and weight classes for fighter protection, so it's not no-holds-barred fighting.
klowe007 3 weeks ago
@klowe007 he talks about facts here brother. if you want effectiveness in a fight! i to have a muay thai back ground but i chose that becouse i thought it was most effective when i fought ones a mma fighter i was better in the stand up but he got me to the ground and choked the liveing hell out of me. well if that was a real fight to the death i would have lost that is what the guy means...... he wants to tell you all that if you mix all of those to gether you would create the ultimate fighter.
OmfgK0D 3 weeks ago
@OmfgK0D I have to agree. I guess his tone just bothered me. TKD/Hapkido are a great mix, but no one art is superior to another. I've also sparred with mma friends and the results varied. In all fairness I have also studied Shotokan, Taichi, and Wing Chun. Traditional Korean/Japanese arts do have standing chokes and choke defense that work as well on the ground...not to the level of BJJ, but they have to be emphasized to students...sadly most instructors don't. --keep on kick'in bro!
klowe007 3 weeks ago
@klowe007 much respect brother! :)
OmfgK0D 3 weeks ago
@klowe007 I disagree about one art not being superior to another. If we're talking purely self defense, the milage varies quite a bit. At the end of the day, it relies on the proficiency of the practitioner, but take the example of when the Gracies brought BJJ to the UFC. People had no idea how to stop it. Simply put, it was a superior technique. Get a skilled MMA fighter with almost any traditional martial art (one style) fighter and my money is on the MMA guy. Every. Single. Time. :)
Kirodoc 3 weeks ago
@Kirodoc You make a good point and I do partly agree. I don't consider mma an art, but a collection skills as the name implies. Of course any "single" art will be at a huge disadvantage. I agree...the practitioner is key. "Full-contact" (not sport) traditional arts are under rated and do not get the commercial appeal of mma. An equally skilled traditionalist vs. mma (no mma rules) would be a good match. Youtube has clips, but one fighter is always obviously superior. Much respect bro!
klowe007 3 weeks ago
@Kirodoc Just talking kicking...Olympic taekwondo is effective. Even GSP openly said many times that Joe Rogan has the best back kick he has ever seen, and would put GSP on his ass with it. This is true because that is all that TKD works on, so they of course will be the best at it. MMA is about supplementing the weak points in your game with other disciplines. MMA is not a martial art; it is just cross training in a few. Add boxing and BJJ to TKD and you have a solid MMA fighter.
seanyglass 2 weeks ago
@seanyglass But I will say that I will put my money on any fighter who was the best at one discipline who learned a couple others to be ccompetetitive in MMA, rather than put my money on a fighter who trains from day one at an MMA school. Time has shown us that this always holds true. Chuck LIdell's wrestling kept him from being taken down, and his kickboxing gave him KO power. Anderson Silva's amateur boxing is what allows him to be light years ahead of anyone else's MMA boxing.
seanyglass 2 weeks ago
@seanyglass There are too many MMA schools that are popping up that are training fighters from day one and they learn BJJ and muay thai freom the start, but they aren't BJJ wort
seanyglass 2 weeks ago
@seanyglass ...but they aren't BJJ world champs, and they aren't muay thai champs first, so when they face an NCAA 4 time all american and 2 time national champ, they are in over their heads even though they are more diversified than the wrestler who just learned a little standup. This is because the wrestler is so good at that one thing that he dictates where the fight goes. It always comes down to whomever is better at what they do, and not about the art itself.
seanyglass 2 weeks ago
@seanyglass I disagree that MMA isn't an art. I think it gets passed over because it doesn't have a fancy name. In fact, in my opinion, it is THE martial art. It's the highest order of sport unarmed combat technique. Bruce Lee was the pioneer of MMA, but he called it Jeet Kune Do. The premise was exactly the same. It's not about covering weaknesses as much as it about using the most effective techniques for a given situation. We may simply disagree on what we consider an 'art'.
Kirodoc 2 weeks ago
@Kirodoc MMA actually goes waaaaaaaaaaay back,way before Bruce Lee.
Read up on Pankration.
But yes,i agree with everything else you said ^^
znjfl 1 week ago
@znjfl Yeah, I know about Pankration. To be fair, that wasn't about combining all different martial arts into one, supremely effective style. It was a combination of wrestling and 'boxing' for the most part. Sure, two or three styles mixed, but not at all like what Bruce was trying to do. He broke down numerous styles dating back 1,000 years in some cases and sought to create a living, ever evolving style. I don't think anyone before him did it so comprehensibly and effectively.
Kirodoc 5 days ago
@Kirodoc I agree that it wasnt to the level of todays MMA or what Bruce Lee intended Jeet Kun Do to be but in a way it still was the first MMA.By simple definition of the word any 2 or more martial arts combined are MMA.But i know what you mean.
znjfl 4 days ago
Shaolin Kempo is the first "MMA" by the definition of "Mixing martial arts into a single system" Because Kempo is Okinawan Karate, Chinese Kung fu, and Japanese Jujitsu. This system came about due to merchants from China, Japan, and Okinawa (and we can throw in Korea to be nice) but these guys would trade martial techniques as well as goods. And then a style that mixed them all together was created. Linear powerful movements of Karate, fluif circular ones of KF,and grappling from JJ.First MMA =)
ChamorruWarrior 21 hours ago
@ChamorruWarrior Pankration came before that.It was basicly boxing and wrestling,which can easily be considered MMA.And even tough MMA is a sport its no less effective in self defence than actual martial arts.
In the early UFC everythign was allowed,no techniques were banned,and Bjj still EASILY beat them all.MMA is now MUCH more advanced,most fighters now know Bjj as well as plenty of other MA`s.
But i do agree that warfare is still much different,no MA can save you from weapons.
znjfl 7 hours ago
@Kirodoc Krav Maga was created in the 1930's, and this is a mix of boxing, grappling and kicking.
clearcombat 1 day ago
@clearcombat I would refer you to my reply to znjfl a few days ago, regarding pankration as the first MMA. Combing a few styles is not what Bruce Lee did. He did a critical analysis of all MA he could learn from and combined a set of the best techniques he could apply to real world combat. No one in recorded history has done such a thing to near the extent he did. That said, who knows what other amazing styles have been lost to history.
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8ball64 3 weeks ago
The "hole" that Rogan is talking about is style specific to Olympic style TKD. They are taught not to really use their hands for punching or blocking. That is why they get knocked out so often or do not do well against "boxers" or "kick-boxers". I have trained in both Olympic and Traditional TKD, and let me tell you that olym. is mostly worthless, but trad. is a force to be reckoned with. A great example is Anthony "Showtime" Pettis. Another is Brian Davidson who recently beat Jens Pulver
cvilleTKD 3 weeks ago
@cvilleTKD I train Muay Thai and I know that lot of people like to bash TKD. But TKD has very useful kicks if mastered and applied correctly while being well-rounded. It's not an exception or coincidence that MMA fighters with TKD background tend to have very good kicks. Cung Le is prolly the best example out. It's just a sport/business/political part of TKD that ruins lot of reputation of TKD but the art itself has great elements to offer and has been proven effective.
EdDy4RheelZ 3 weeks ago
@cvilleTKD You're right bro. I'm a 5th Dan WTF-style TKD instructor, and we incorporate a lot of Hapkido into our training which has great hand technique. Since both arts were born from the same style it makes sense.
klowe007 3 weeks ago
TKD is not a useless art. It's just not a reliable stand-up art to depend on for MMA or full contact and it takes awfully long time to master just to apply few good techniques when you can learn other arts like muay thai more effectively for stand-up. There are fighters who have used TKD and been successful with it although they all took kickboxing variants for their stand-ups. Cung Le, Ben Henderson, David Louseau, Anthony Pettis, Ben Henderson, Anderson Silva, Cro Cop, etc.
EdDy4RheelZ 3 weeks ago
I'm a Joe Rogan fan but I believe the reason why Joe Rogan hates TKD is because he believed in it so much as a complete martial art. He does mention how there are transferable elements from TKD into MMA but compare to all that time he spent in TKD, he figured that he could've taken Muay Thai or BJJ or other MMA-suited arts that are more effective. Joe relied on TKD as a primary stand-up art instead of thinking of it as supplemental art.
EdDy4RheelZ 3 weeks ago
NEVER, EVER DROP YOUR HANDS IN TKD! Yellow belts should know this. Side note, about three quarters of the forms are hand techniques, so saying that TKD is only kicking is pretty retarded. Don't troll, it's the truth.
peacevic 3 weeks ago 2
@peacevic JR is taling out of his arse...
klowe007 3 weeks ago
he is telling the truth
TheSUBGAMER 3 weeks ago
Heeeey, did you edit the video at all? Something seems fishy.
homersimps1 4 weeks ago
@finalcloud13 It's guarranteed to go to the ground if one person has bad balance.
Haseeb2 1 month ago
@Haseeb2 It's guarranted to go to the ground if one fighter is better at takedowns than you.
BrFelo 4 weeks ago
@BrFelo No doubt, but I would hope no highly experienced ground fighter would start a fight with anyone in public.
Haseeb2 4 weeks ago
He says that he got really good at something that is dumb (TKD), yet he points out where many of the kicks and foot work can be used in MMA. Then lets look at what "dumb" really is. A man goes from TKD (minimal risk of injury) to kickboxing and MMA (high risk of permanent injury). I call that dumb.
Haseeb2 1 month ago
i did tae kwon do for a year then found BJJ
c032970 1 month ago
TKD is amazing everyone who keeps it sucks is thinkg of WTF TKD. those are the guys who never use their hands they are the ones that suck. ITF is where its at it employs knees elbows kicks punches throws joint manipulation everything. its the art of self defense, in tournaments you cant use these but if you study and train hard its useful in real situations. Ups to ITF
JMan1er 1 month ago
TKD is great, as far as the kicks go. The second you do boxing, then mix it with tkd and a little bit of mui thai, i think your stand up game would be practically unstoppable
xXLyricalAssasinsXx 1 month ago
This dude needs to stick to Fear Factor, because if he was a true martial artist he would have work on learning to strengthen all his weakness. I take TKD but my master also teach us judo, kempo to. So we learn to be all around fighter. And one more thing that is important in martial arts, If you dont have the will to win the fight then you have already lost the fight. So it depends on you as a fighter an not the art.
hashim0820051 1 month ago
@hashim0820051 He does multiple martial arts. He'd kick your trollin' ass, kid.
iAdapto 1 month ago
@hashim0820051
Very true what you say, never the style, always the martial artist :)
xXLyricalAssasinsXx 1 month ago
Martial arts is use in all fights no matter what! The thing is not to limit yourself to one style of art. Thats what mma is, taking different martial arts and putting them together .
hashim0820051 1 month ago
@hashim0820051 That's just like saying that a painter, poet or musician is limiting him/herself just because they do one style. If that is what they want to do, so what? All martial artists don't have the desire to become MMA fighters.
Haseeb2 1 month ago
this is why you learn martial art as a martial art and not a sport or just half asss kata/set
Dtnzero 1 month ago
I'm Korean, also did Taekwondo during high school and fully agree with Joe. Taekwondo is NOT the ideal martial art to learn for self defense. DEFINITELY not.
finalcloud13 1 month ago
@finalcloud13 The "ideal" martial art to learn for self-defense is the art of fighting without fighting.
Haseeb2 1 month ago
@Haseeb2 Well yes of course, but of course we're talking situations where a physical encounter is unavoidable.
I mean, technically if we really wanted to learn the art of avoiding fights, learning to run away would be more effective.
finalcloud13 1 month ago
@finalcloud13 How many times does one get into a situation where it would be "unavoidable" to get someone in a triangle choke, side mount, or guard?
Haseeb2 1 month ago
@Haseeb2 Hmmm well in a street fight it's almost guaranteed to go to the ground if one person grabs another, and that almost always happens.
finalcloud13 1 month ago
@Haseeb2 I practice martial arts since I was a kid. And talking my way out and running saved my life more times than jiu-jitsu or muay thai.
BrFelo 4 weeks ago
@BrFelo The same is true with me. That is the art of fighting without fighting.
Haseeb2 4 weeks ago
@agneroth- I haven't read the whole thread, but the thing with MMA training is that you can use it because it's a reality fighting sport. Taekwondo is more of a game based on a sport. If you put an mma fighter on the street against a boxer, he will probably win; against a taekwando fighter, he will probably win; against a kung-fu artist, etc.. It's the real deal.
Alexkuiper1 1 month ago
Like Muay Thai, MMA is based on really fighting. It's not a point based game. If you like to train in Taekwondo that's great, but I wouldn't recommend walking around thinking you know how to fight.
Alexkuiper1 1 month ago
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nagromgreen 1 month ago
p.s. i have a kick like sammart payakaroon bin told:-)
purumdara 1 month ago
he swears too much to be a gentleman so i'll not consider him a martial artist:-)
purumdara 1 month ago
Calling anything that gets you physically active and in shape dumb shows mediocrity in the individual itself. I never understood that "if I can't kick everyone's ass this martial arts is not worth it attitude". Now whether you want to be a prize fighter or not you go with what's effective but not everyone wants to fight on the amateur or pro scene, some people just want to have fun and do something else then the daily grind.
GutsLCF 1 month ago
Muay Thai has a formidable arsenal of kicks,t
usergreg1498 1 month ago
its like saying boxing is usless in wrestling, because you cant throw punches in wrestling lol or saying jujitsu is useless in boxing. because you cant go to the ground in boxing with boxing rules. so saying taekwondo is useless in mma is the same type of comparison. just because jujitsu doesnt work in boxing does not make it useless, just because taekwondo is not good in mma does not make it useless either. infact you could say mma is useless in a taekwondo tournament
agneroth 1 month ago
a kick is just a kick a punch is just a punch,bruce lee. it doesnt matter what art you train in, its how you use that knowledge. anything that trains your reflexes,speed,balance and control and helps condition your body is going to greatly improve your ability to win a fight. taekwondo is not a useless martial art. but any martial art has its strengths and weaknesses. its like saying muay thai is usless in jujitsu matches with jujitsu rules. lol duh because they dont train ground.
agneroth 1 month ago
@agneroth i agree man. TKD is a great Martial arts. It's just a VERY hard martial arts to get good at. If black belts weren't handed out so easily, people would probably respect it. Im the type of person who believes TKD is a great martial arts if you are fast enough to get ur kicks efficient. It's just very hard to do and no one wants to put in the time, so they say it sucks as a whole. But it doesnt. The fighter sucks. Not the martial art. Joe just sucked compared to a fist M.Artist
adamzez 1 month ago
@adamzez Dude, did you see his credentials, obviously he could speak of TKD as a whole.
IBJ57 1 month ago
..."the same thing"...I meant
Beetlejuice250lbs 1 month ago
@agneroth and you think tkd and Kung Fu guys don't fight mma because their best moves would be illegal? So if I invent a MA system that only involves biting, eyegouging and then a bunch of other bullshit that never works, I could convince you that I could take out Jose Aldo, but the only reason I don't is because the UFC wont let me bite him? Dude go train in an actual legit mma gym and come back to me after a week and tell me the thing.
Beetlejuice250lbs 1 month ago
@Beetlejuice250lbs if you put a mma guy in a ring with a boxer with boxing rules he will be at a disadvantage. or have a taekwondo guy fight a wrestler with wrestling rules, a taekwondo guy is not going to out wrestle a wrestler, a mma guy is not going to out box a boxer. with there rules you are at a disadvantage yes. a taekwondo guy does not train in mma with mma rules so you cant say its useless because it doesnt work in mma. its the same as saying a kick is useless in boxing
agneroth 1 month ago
@Beetlejuice250lbs a taekwondo kick is anything but weak, if i kicked you i guarntee you will be hurt. bren foster on fight science through a 136 mph roundhouse kick. taekwondo kick. not even a mma fighter could do much if he got kicked at nere 2500 psi. nothing weak about its kicks, infact most its kicks hit harder than muay thais in there scientific test
agneroth 1 month ago
@Beetlejuice250lbs and yes being able to strike to the eyes,throat and groin makes a huge difference in a fight. if i kicked somone in there groin as hard as i could it likely would be the last strike i would have to throw and they would likely go to the emergency room. or a hard eyes strike, do you think any person no matter how good of shape there in can stand being struck in the eyes hard ? no they cant. it hurts like hell and your eyes would water so bad you couldnt see to fight.
agneroth 1 month ago
@agneroth...you mean you learned respect and balance? Cause ya kinda seem to have neither of those things. I hope you learned how to do a gay kick better than you learned how to be respectful hahaha. Dude, are you off your meds? Why are you YELLING!?!?!
Beetlejuice250lbs 1 month ago
@Beetlejuice250lbs iam not the one makeing fun of a martial art or calling it gay , you are the one who is being disrespectful, if taekwondo was useless thousands and thousands of people wouldnt trian in it. its not the art anyway its the fighter and how good he is at what he knows. i have much faster reflexes speed,balance and control because of taekwondo and yes i can fight 100% better than before i took it because it trained those asp
agneroth 1 month ago
@Beetlejuice250lbs spinning back kick and other techniques even spinning back fist are used in mma often and they are taekwondo techniques. theres almost no difference in taekwondo and kick boxing. if you watch real taekwondo, itf taekwondo its almost exactly the same. olympic taekwondo where they let there amrs dangle and just kick is what gave taekwondo a bad rep. thats a sport, but real taekwondo is a martial art.from shotokahn karate.
agneroth 1 month ago
joe rogan you are an idiot of course you'll get you ass kick if you don't keep your hands up!
R3dTigerM40A3 1 month ago
tell me i am not the only one who searched for the black guy kung fu video after this on youtube
Memphis2142 1 month ago
That's Obama at 1:38 !
And the other guy's head represents our economy.
imallpissedoff 1 month ago
Was Joe Rogan this dumb to realize when he was 21 that Taekwondo doesn't use the hands much?
A good fighter (regardless of the style) adapts well to any situation, that is why Joe Rogan, you actually sucked as a fighter and which is why you are not in the UFC.
logicCplusplus 1 month ago
Tae Kwon Do is a long range martial art. It shouldn't be used without another martial art to fill out ones arsenal.
And on Kung Fu... dude, all of that stuff you call "MMA" is taught at some point in traditional Kung Fu schools. The techniques and strategies used in the MMA aren't new or revolutionary, they've been around for centuries.
Nearly every Martial Art is useful to know in a system that promotes mixed martial arts. BJJ, Muay Thai and Sambo aren't the only disciplines out there.
ZomBLord 1 month ago
Yeah .. If grandmaster of wing chun could just knock out A top guy with a thrusting finger he would .. They can't . It's like playing dungeons and dragons for many . Rogan just calls it like it Is .. 1980's are over.
Beachcrib 1 month ago
@danzig159 90% yes you fail in life if you don't have money everthing costs in this day and age :)
XBOX36035 1 month ago
He's so right, Its not like the sports are DUMB, but those who believe it is effective compared to MMA and other combat sports are dumb.
grubashu 1 month ago
joe is great he makes a great point if money isn't in something don't go for it simple
XBOX36035 1 month ago
@XBOX36035 Why, because money is everything?
danzig159 1 month ago
Joe Rogan is a faggot
Manhatchet 1 month ago
@Manhatchet you guys neighbors or something?
gears5336 1 month ago
@Manhatchet hes one of the last real dudes on tv opposotion to him tells me you are a bitch ass hoe
thisgame2 1 month ago
Tae Kwon Do -fanboys going mental lol
HansuTycoon 1 month ago 7
@HansuTycoon Funny, but you're not saying that to any TKD black belts though are you..? TKD is not a perfect system, true. What single system is? It's not dumb by any means. And in the right body and mind, TKD can be every bit as deadly and practical as most other singular forms of martial art. It is a form about values and respect. Look into the tenets of Tae Kwon Do and you will see what it's all about, if you care. The comercial sport you see today is NOT real TKD.
HorticulturalGuru 1 month ago
Joe trained at a boxing gym near me and got an ass kicking by a female amateur among others. He then decided that punching and kicking wasn't his thing so he focused on BJJ and latched on to the whole MMA thing. Joe is actually very short, maybe like 5.6 or 5.7, he can't punch and kick because his arms and legs are too short.
momfightdotcom 1 month ago
@momfightdotcom search up "Joe Rogan turning sick kick"
EdDy4RheelZ 1 month ago
@EdDy4RheelZ ok, now what?
momfightdotcom 1 month ago
@momfightdotcom You stated Joe can't punch and kick. That video just debunked your statement, making your comment's credibility worthless. He's one of best turning side kickers in MMA, approved by GSP. Even GSP, one of successful MMA fighters, learns it from Joe and gives credit and respect for Jo
EdDy4RheelZ 1 month ago
@EdDy4RheelZ Anderson says BJ is P4P best ever.....
TheUFCbruh 1 month ago
@TheUFCbruh Yes, but that's not what me and momfightdotcom was discussing about. momfightdotcom stated that joe rogan couldn't succeed in tkd, hence turning to bjj and mma and that joe rogan can't punch and kick for shit. Joe Rogan has already succeeded in TKD enough to know its application to MMA, which is very little. Joe clearly knows that BJJ is the real deal, which is why he took BJJ and he's brown belt in it.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 month ago
@EdDy4RheelZ oh sorry about that
TheUFCbruh 1 month ago
@TheUFCbruh its kool.
EdDy4RheelZ 1 month ago
@momfightdotcom wow lol. You couldn't at least make your comment mildly believable?
55jacos 1 month ago
Yeah, there's a lot of unnecessary dogma and tradition in many long-respected martial arts that honestly serve no purpose but maintaining the dogma and tradition.
But, no one's forcing anyone to stay in TKD.
Ebvardh 1 month ago 5
@Ebvardh Of course the traditions serve a purpose, but are often misinterpreted or misused. A lot of the traditions were and continue to be practiced with the intent of mastering the human body and spirituality, not fighting. For some people martial arts is not solely about how fast you can K.O. the meat head in the other corner. To render martial arts like kung fu and tae kwon do obsolete in a UFC scenario is fair enough, but that does not make them "unnecessary" or a waste of time.
Ichigo005 1 month ago
@Ichigo005 I know. I studied Tang Soo Do for about three years and I get that investing yourself in any martial art has it's value. I mean, it's really special to be a part of the ideology that comes with it.
My point is that just as it can be really worthy, it can suddenly lose all meaning. And when it loses all meaning, it's really frustrating because you either continue it or become a quitter.
It just has no inherent meaning beyond what they tell you to give it.
Ebvardh 1 month ago
@Ebvardh Well spoken, thanks for your input.
Ichigo005 1 month ago
@Ichigo005 You're welcome.
Thank you for listening to me.
Ebvardh 1 month ago
this guy is full of bs
lonzo140 1 month ago
Joe probably did WTF Taekwon-Do. ITF Taekwon-Do is much more like kick boxing or muay thai.
EatBars 1 month ago
Hello Joe this is one of the guys that fucked you up. And the reason i am writing is because i know MMA or Ultimate fighting is full of lousy fighter like you that could not kick or punch really good , Well by the way if you want to get together and train with me again write up , no longer in boston now in orlando , take care lol . Simon B.
sgbcobra 1 month ago
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SolidSnake032486 1 month ago
@ .07 - .014
LMMFAO, Joe doesnt even know proper hand position. Any MMA/Boxing/Muay Thai person would instinctively hold their hands in the right way.
HA HA HA HA, Rogan is such a loser.
MrJamesbragan 1 month ago
Anderson Silva trained TKD.
BandakaKush 1 month ago
I train in TKD(itf) and we use our hands.Jabs,hooks,crosses,upper cuts and more.I don't know where you trained Joe,but you got robbed.I thought I heard you say before that traditional martial arts were obsolete.What is MMA,but taking TMA and"MIXING"them together.Smoke another joint Joe and think before you open your mouth.
sunshineEWD 1 month ago
Dont PowerRangers do TAe Kwon Do? If it was that great of a system, it would be taught to SpecOp. teams. It's not. Go, go POWER RANGERS! ! !
conan0869 1 month ago
@conan0869 It just so happens that the dude who played the green power ranger is now an mma fighter. Joke's on you buddy.
INbredMonarchy 1 month ago
78 people think tae kwon do is smart...
dingusmungus 1 month ago
Joe sounds really stupid right now, though he doesn't even know it.
If you put all your focus in just one discipline of fighting, of course you're going to get your ass kicked by people who mix them all together aka kickboxing/mma , which Joe is obviously a dumbass for even attempting if he knew he didn't have hands, only kicks
as for tae kwon do, there are a ton of skills that transfer over such as quick reaction times and quickness on your feet, also an array of kicks (ex spin back kick)
keviny4487 1 month ago
@keviny4487 reaction time and quickness have nothing to do with knowing taekwondo, its being an athlete and also there is only a few moves that can be used like the spinning back kick but again telegraphs and can be punished if missed.
DeFy18 1 month ago
@DeFy18 Actually those two attributes are staples in every martial art; thats like saying basic arithmetic has nothing to do with knowing higher levels of math.
AoDNightmare 1 month ago
@DeFy18 when you compete in the highest level of TKD like Joe did, your reaction time, footwork, and reaction time are on another level, also you can easily ko someone with a telegraphed roundhouse or straight kick but you can't rely just on that, you have to set it up with other punches/kicks etc.
also i've never seen anyone get punished from missing a spinning back kick, you shouldn't use it if you can't execute it properly and at 100%
keviny4487 1 month ago