A funny thing happened on the way to the forum

[AyatollahGondola]

Not sure what you mean Sandinator

[sactownhindu]

You are racist. People like you should be prosecuted!!!!

[AyatollahGondola]

I was just pointing out that sometimes people are doing things behind the scenes that turn one person against the other. I ended up issuing an apology to two people for not having the sense to see through or beyond what was happening at the time. Doesn't mean they are good or bad, just unfairly administered then. So now I'm hoping that our future association will not be based on someone elses madness.

[AyatollahGondola]

Let me say this,

I saw many people at each others throats over issues at SOS. I have stated that I mistreated a few people while being in the inner circle of SavOurState. I don't know that I'm all that influencable, but I did carry out some tasks that weren't something I would have done had it been me alone. Sometimes you end up mistreating people under someone else's ideals. It can be infectious, or you may have been led to believe what you were doing was in the interests of your country.

[Standingalonesworld]

Sandy see a head doctor. You have always impressed me as someone in need of attention, no matter what that attention is. I also think it is funny that you are only harming yourself with the hatred you harbor. I have never know people to hold a grudge as long as you and chelene to the deteriment of ALL.

[Standingalonesworld]

SAD Sandy is in bad need of a head doctor. In a way I feel sorry for someone who harbors such hatred, never have I known two people to hold a grudge to the extant sandinator and chelene have. Were you raised in a cave?? Where did you learn your lack of manners. Believe me sandinator while you steamed over me, I enjoyed my life and my friends.

[Standingalonesworld]

I have never harmed you sandy, no more so than anyone else who spoke the TURTH about your bizarre behavior at sos, and that was over three years ago! So answer me this, why has she singled me out to be part of her hatemongering campaign?? Chelene and her crew as well as sandy seeme hell bent on tearing people up. Could it be that it makes them feel higher up on the rungs of their imaginary ladder. They all need a LONG R&R, Believe me there is more important things in life than bitter hatred.

[Standingalonesworld]

Why are there some who spend more time fighting one another than fighting illegal immigration. Shallow, Superficial and Juvenile are words that come to mind when thinking of you.

[Standingalonesworld]

I really believed chelene could aide the movement in the publicity dept.besides to be fair I did not see anyone rushing up to claim that title, though she was not worthy of being a leader. That is why i stood by her and I also was under the impresssion, due to a certain birdy telling me so...that chelene had dropped her lawsuit on Jim.

[AyatollahGondola]

I thought her contributions countered her destruction also at first. I also thought I was able to mitigate some of her actions against others in the movement, but I was mistaken. The lawsuit was Jims at first, but he started a fire that ended up burning himself, in that the judge said she was free to disparage him all she liked because he was a public figure. The judge never ruled on whether her statements were true or not, so she never learned the value of restraint. That may yet come though

[Standingalonesworld]

Bonfire stabbed me in the back and her and chelene are best buds so what does that tell y ou. Being pro Ron Paul did not mean stabbing someone in the back for not supporting Ron Paul but that is exactly what she did when she called me and started out speaking about her personal life and ended by hanging up on me when I said that I would not be supporting Ron Paul...I was not surprised when she became another part of the sos hierarchy.

[AyatollahGondola]

Well, being a friend of Chelene's is a perilous designation. Personally I understand the effect that Chelene has on those that feel they are close to her, and will keep the door open for them for when they are "termed out". However, I also understand when the bridge really, really gets burned

[cashopolis]

And Another One Bites The Dust. Another One Bites the Dust. The only way to describe Chalene Nightengale is Egomaniac. I think she just gets bored with people. This former soccer mom has simply run amok with power using good intending activists as her little cheerleading club that she purges at will. The thread, "Has Chalene helped the movement or hurt it answer yes or no" is so stupid, so juvenile, it immediately told me to run the other direction.

[instantword]

Don't give up hope, all is not lost. Even what seems the worst of a situation can be changed. Remember you have a friend.

[AyatollahGondola]

What is all this "be a man" and "grow up" stuff Bobby? Do I have a history of being a wimp or a child within our movement? Look, it's real easy to cast names at people; That's part of my point. Our movement has suffered from the disarray brought about by years of accusations and mistrust. I'm not the victim; good people within our effort are. It happens one by one as need arises, circumstance dictates, or opportunity presents itself. Is it whining to want to change that?

[BobbyXD9]

What I know is this; People like you, Derek, & others would rather bitch in public & whine about what victims you are instead of standing up for yourselves & confronting any one you have issues with. We've all taken heat, suffered insults & lost time, money & positions because we stand for what is right. So be a man, confront those you have issues with one-to-one & quit the victim crap. What would Thomas Jefferson do; whine, moan, call people names in public? Or would he handle it like a man

[LillyVonStup]

dfweasel wrote:

"She is a HOT looking babe who can bitch slap your ass! "

You're kidding right. She looks like something the cat draggedin and the dog refused to drag out.

What does somebody's looks have to do with it anyway? What matters is character and the drama queen has none. In fact she has a character deficit.

[BobbyXD9]

So why should I bother explaining further when you obviously lack the balls to leave my post for all to read. Those of you who seek to slander, sue & attack the very people who are doing something about our open borders deserve to suffer the consequences of foreign invaders colonizing our country. You false patriots infiltrate the movement in an obvious effort to destroy it.

[PochoPatriot]

More bull baiting. Plain and simple.

[AyatollahGondola]

Bobby,

I did not take your post down. I'm at loss to explain its' absence, but then I've never actually read the manual on this youtube program.

Here's something to consider:

Have you ever known me to lack balls? What's my history been like?

I would like to say the first attack did not originate by my hand, but I want to do it while facing my accuser, and in a court of my fellow activists. No lawsuits, no attacks, no slander. just simple justice. Why would true patriots reject that?

[AyatollahGondola]

What's a patriot SEAZBD?

I know you mean well, by the way.

[SEAZBD]

AG - I know you're hurt, but it's time to move on. There are great orgs out there that don't engage in the email bickering and slandering of other patriots. Good luck to you.

[AyatollahGondola]

I'm not sure what you mean Bobby. Who is the liar?

[BobbyXD9]

Just what this movement needs, another backstabbing liar who spews outragous claims with no proof or reason. It is colostomy bags such as this who have infiltrated & destroyed this movement that are responsible for our borders remaining open. Let's all hope that they reap what they sow.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

So tell me, how is this video or its maker responsible for "our borders remaining open"? Please, I'm dying to hear the details.

[AyatollahGondola]

I actually don't know who Bobby is referring to yet.

[PochoPatriot]

This bullbaiting is really unnecessary, Bobby.

[LetFreedomRing]

Davi, hang in there and keep up the good work. You're a dedicated patriot!

[19patriot43]

Seems to me that you Davi, are a hypocrite. As suggested by a few others, perhaps your agenda would be better served by either going "solo," or forming your own group. It's always a good idea to view and review your work, be it written recorded, or as is the case here, video recorded and presented to the world. For good measure, have a few fair-minded, intelligent friends/colleagues view and help edit your work before posting. This rambling bloviation has wasted my time.

[FREEDOMSTAR7]

Hey Gil (anti) Christ - AKA class8871. We know you are getting paid by the cartel. And, everyone knows Chelene, Schwild and Gheen has done a great job.

[SEAZBD]

Accusations without evidence....tsk tsk tsk

[AyatollahGondola]

Some here, fling the patriot term around very loosely. Many of you talk boldly of taking America back. Yet when asked to perform a single sacred function of American tradition.....you fail. In doing so, you confirm to our adversaries and our hopeful recruits that we are all hype and no substance. Governing yourself is hard work. Adhereance to American standards is not a part time job. You're either up to it, or you're full of it. Those who are full of it usually end up in the hands of a dictator

[class8871]

You would not be convicted by a jury of your peers.

As for laughs for the goons, you can not top Schwilk in women's underware pictures. Or when he made the news fighting with his girl friend?

Chelene has destroyed Save Our State. Sad, but true. Pretty soon, she and Schwild and Gheen will be the leaders of 3 groups with a total of 3 members.

[SEAZBD]

Schwilk in women's underware! bwahaha Still the funniest thing I've ever seen. He's the one that need help. Wasn't there a daughter in that video he was picking on as well?

[FREEDOMSTAR7]

DUDE, THINK! 350 viewers times 8 minutes to watch video = 47 hours of patriot's time wasted, already. Plus, ammo for anti-americans who want illegal immigration. YOU MUST THINK BEFORE YOU ACT. Maybe, that was the problem in the first place - you didn't think before you acted.

~INDEPENDENT AMERICAN PATRIOT

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

OK, I'll bite. How does his video aid illegal immigration?

[GSBAmerica]

There are too many fish in the Ocean to worry about the one that just got away. Many of us have parted ways from different orgs, and found ones more suited to our needs or just became independent in our fight.

[SanDiegoMinutemen]

Davi, get help man. You are losing it. You sound like you are having a breakdown.

At least he gave the goons a good laugh though.

[TheWatchdog]

SOS has appointed me to handle your case in arbitration. I hereby declare that you are to take down this video, and drive around that billboard for 10,000 hours. My decision is binding.

[LanzaLover2]

Furthemore, TAKE THIS VIDEO DOWN! (It sucks anyway.)

Every second it remains here, you are giving "aid and comfort to the enemy" -- and what is THAT called????

[LanzaLover2]

Hey, Ayatollah, GROW UP!  As a long-time participation in the anti-ILLEGAL ALIEN movement, I am really angered by your petty, PETTY allegations, and further by your PUBLIC DISPLAY of them! You are NO PATRIOT! If you were, you would quietly take care of any arguments or differences and not give fuel to the fire of all the enemies of this Republic. Many of us have given our life's blood in this movement. GO AWAY!!!!! Which is more important to you? Your pettiness or your country???? GET LOST!

[ALIPAC1]

You don't approve of a "flurry of emails" between people with differences in the movement, yet you put up a Youtube video doing the same? You have not been accused of a crime and your due no trial or hearing anymore than an employee of any company or supporter of any political group in America. You are subject to the leadership, bylaws, or articles of incorp and that is it. Trying to turn a political dispute into a trial is quite a leap, u should consider taking this mess down.

[WilliamDawes]

Appears to me that they are free to comment here. Freedom of speech.

That can't happen on a closed forum website.

Basically a political dispute is a trial of sorts. Both require the facts to be disclosed to find the truth.

[xpgyn]

Davi it is obvious that you were very hurt by your interactions within SOS. I do not find it unreasonable that you are willing to submit to an anlaysis of your actions by your peers. I do not know how SOS is run. I have always favored a board that meets and votes on issues and actions in order to have checks and balances so that decisions are just and

out in the light. Rather than fight SOS you might consider starting your own organization.

I know that you are a patriot.

Frank Jorge

[AyatollahGondola]

Frank,

As far as personal feelings go, I'm not as hurt by this as I am branded by a proclamation of betrayal. Who in the movement should trust me after such a proclamation by a "leader"? And after said proclamations were wantingly distributed to other leaders as fact, how can I then effectively continue as an activist?

It's also not just about me, but those before and after me. We are Americans, and we need to conduct our affairs as such, especially those claiming to hold the constitution dear

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

Think for a minute. Exactly what have you been doing in Sacramento that requires Chelene Nightingale or Jeff Schwilk to hold you in high esteem? Step back for a second and reason. If you resided in L.A., exactly what activism would be off-limits to you b/c PD has proclaimed you are now the 438th person who has committed an act of "betrayal"? Your activities would be constricted how? What person w/ an IQ over 90 would say "Aaaahh, just like OldPreach and PochoPatriot, this one is unworthy!"?

[AyatollahGondola]

My value is to my fellow activists, not one or two leaders. I'm soliciting to them to take the reins of their government, by acting as their own government. In the here and now, my fellow activists are being encouraged to consign the power granted to them by our constitution back to a ruling fiat in order to fight the good fight. I'm saying that the good fight is to preserve what we are fighting for in the first place, and the result will make us more effective in the overall pursuit.

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

Is this conversation still going on? Remarkable. You folks are getting upset over little. The major damage done to Save Our State took place months ago. It's not that AG isn't valuable. It's that there isn't much left anyway. SOS used to be a grassroots organization that got folks on the street. However, the people who regularly participated are almost all gone now. The "doers" were driven out one-at-a-time as they said something Chelene didn't like or got too much attention ...

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

... which is, perhaps, the ultimate sin in the Patriotic Dream Universe. And the modus operandi has pretty much been the same. Disagreements with Chelene immediately become "infighting," "attacking SOS," and bad for "the Movement" as they are mischaracterized through a furious flurry of behind-the-back e-mails and phone calls. The result is that 80% of the productive SoCal members are history. There's a reason SOS rarely stages anything now. A lot of the necessary bodies aren't available.

[dfweasel]

Actually, your whining in public and nothing is to be gained here for the good of the movement.

[AyatollahGondola]

I am not in this for the good of the movement, or for the good of the leaders of this movement. I am in this for the good of America. The preservation of America as a free society, and the preservation of liberty. The preservation of America as a soveriegn nation. Placing a person, a group, or a movement above that, and above the law is how dictatorships are formed. If I have to fight injustice within, as well as foreign invaders at the same time...so be it

[dfweasel]

Do you really believe that this is the best for America? You could have worked this out with the people you have an issue with. We all have disagreements or felt slighted, but we need to keep such things private. You're in a leadership position and such infighting should have been between leadership. Line troops don't need to be a part of this. The fight continues for the USA not our egos. We all have had to eat some humble pie from time to time.

[AyatollahGondola]

I have always maintained in my solicitations that I wished to be tried by a jury of my peers. That could have been comprised of the people who lead, or those who agreed to be led by them. And yes, I believe what's best for America is to preserve and practice our way of justice. No one, friend or foe, has any respect for hypocrisy in the long run. By now, my trial could have been held, and this video would be gone. The fear of truth is what keeps this alive

[PhiLfromCaLi]

does any1 here kno if those rumors about Chelene really being a man are true ?

[AyatollahGondola]

Hello PhiLfromCaLi,

We're having an adult conversation in here. Check your junior high humor at the door

[DerailAmnestydotcom]

Can't say, but what about those rumors that you're really a man? Are they true?

[dfweasel]

She is a HOT looking babe who can bitch slap your ass!

[GeauxNOSaints]

Lemme guess. AG is acting "more like a goon than a patriot recently," and it is clear that he is "in league with Jim Gilchrist and IndyMedia" if you start to "connect the dots". Hey, it could be worse. He could've been accused of being an illegal alien like Barack Obama. Observation: Given the fact that AG is someone who has always gone out and actually done things, it should surprise no one that he is now disassociated from SOS. / Now would you guys please stop e-mailing me about this vid?

[flagwaver1969]

There are those who cannot be responsible in positions of power. Instead of using power for good they choose to use it for self interest and even evil. I've found that many of those who zealously seek positions of power in an organization are exactly the type of people you don't want leading. The kiss-ass is the most obvious example. They flatter you with one hand and a knife in the other. The those who are being led, you don't have to put up with bad leadership. Be your own leader! AG knows it.

[SEAZBD]

To kdreger: Yeah --- You're not qualified to make that comment. Practice what your preach before you start preaching it...

Then there's another commenter who is the queen of drama and creating infighting from behind the scenes - Most of you are hypocrites!@

[SEAZBD]

Allow me to point out the hypocrisy of Save Our State and other So Cal Orgs. You were removed from the Org because you sent an email to a list of people that included some MMP members. For the sake of unity, you can't do things like that.

In a thread on the SOS forum titled: "Fight Amnesty NOT Patriots!", your leaving is discussed. In the same post, you will find the following:

[SEAZBD]

"Now is the time we should all be working together for the sake of our country."

"For the sake of unity and protection of our movement, both the SoCal Coalition and a National Coalition have banned MMP from our groups."

Working together, but not working together - for the sake of unity, we need to separate ourselves from other patriots....

Do they ever read what they write before they post it?

[AyatollahGondola]

I remember you Old Reb,

I saw that thread you mentioned. All I will say is that if we start convicting our citizens on the basis of sensationally written articles or press releases, we might as well fire all of our district attorneys and hire writers instead. Fortunately, our founding fathers who were themselves on the recieving end of the Kings proclamations the likes of this devised some protections to guide us through situations like this. We need use them or lose them

[nucsa]

This is oldreb

AG I don't know all of what happen so far I've only heard one side of it.

But I do want to say that I don't think an organization is much of an organization if only a few top people get to decide who's in, who's out, what's right or what's wrong.

I could not believe it when I read about this at SOS and the thread was closed so I suppose we are not going to be allowed to discuss it there.

[AyatollahGondola]

Tecate,

I'll take the video down when my trial is arranged. You want it down? That's the quickest way to make that happen. send out an email asking patriots if they would agree to serve on a jury pool; We can meet any place. The border, the park, the steps of any courthouse. I don't care. There's not much in evidence; mainly some emails, and I guess now a recorded phone message? Should be a slam dunk win for the prosecution given the proclamations made already.

Anyone willing to help on this?

[dfweasel]

He makes a couple of good points of having at least a hearing.

[AyatollahGondola]

Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed; which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defence.

[TecateVolunteers]

Dissenting & resisting the establishment that betrays the people is one thing. Creating dissension in forums is another. Especially publicly airing our laundry. It causes infighting and separates American patriots. And it feeds the opposition.

The only drama here was created by you Davi. The rest of us that are so inclined are in here to do damage control.

United We Stand Divided We fall.

STOP this and delete this YouTube.

[AyatollahGondola]

Get back to me when you have trial date, and a jury pool. I'm ready.

[PochoPatriot]

My dear friend,

We have stood together in the heat of fire, but have you for one moment thought that AG just might have a point? The road that Chelene has walked is littered with the corpses of patriots, like me, that only wanted her silliness to stop. The only one that I see guilty of infighting is Chelene. If you want to perform damage control then ask that AG be given a fair shot at defending himself.

[WilliamDawes]

Forums are for debate, that is why it is called a forum. This is not "feeding" the opposition. Certain people don't like what he is saying because it is dissent to the behind the emails gestapo tactics that are used on the internet forum. Sounds to me like he should get a fair shot of a defense. Anything else is un-American.

[Jalira]

I wish more leaders that hate drama would pop up. Drama, not cool, dissenting opinions, fine. I don't know what happened but I also don't use the word betray lightly. Chriskie betrays, Tony betrays, but I haven't seen any others.

[AyatollahGondola]

I still stand ready to face the charges.....in person, and before a jury of my peers. If any of you would like to work on making the arrangements for it, I will appear.

[TecateVolunteers]

To clarify this is Bonfire. I speak for myself but we all need to stick together and cast out dissenters or at least ignore them. We have a country that is being attacked from multiple sources. Your character assassination of Chelene is unforgivable and is a distraction from our cause. La Raza, ACLU & the SPLC must be LOL at this division.

STOP this attack Davi you serve the enemy with your misplaced anger. Please delete this video it only feeds the opposition.

Bonfire

[Jalira]

Dissent is healthy and American.

[xpgyn]

Jalira, I agree completely...dissent is healthy and very American.

[WilliamDawes]

When a person is considered a dissenter of a movement but that is Not what he is talking about. His dissent is on how the internet is used by the elites to get their way. He is definitely not moving over to the "dark Side' because of these leaders. He will always be anti-illegal. But maybe some here won't be anti-autocratic.

[TecateVolunteers]

Whoa! As a friend who knows Chelene well enough to consider her a sister I can testify that Davi's allegations are fabrications. The wind was taken out of hi sails.

Davi you have cast a black cloud over SOS, therefore, as a sister org in our SoCal Coaliton you have attacked all of us. flamed an SOS member.

[VtaCoLegal]

TecateV~ You couldn't be more wrong! Chelene has done nothing but divide, dictate and send fabrications in email to anyone and everyone she could for as long as I can remember. That woman has destroyed our movement and she alone is responsible for doing far more damage than good. She has trashed Patriot's one by one, she banned many or was the reason most quit going to SOS. If that is the kind of sister you want more power to you because you can't pick your family but you can pick your friends!

[SEAZBD]

VtaCoLegal -

Chelene sounds a lot like TecateV. No wonder they are friends. Just a matter of time before one of them stabs the other in the back.

[WilliamDawes]

Black cloud was already there

[cashopolis]

Oh, puleeze, it's Bonfire. The black cloud has BEEN over SOS for months and months. Review the posting history and the decline of such. Let's go count banned members, shall we?

[weRsoscrewed]

Davi, we patriots stand behind you! Enough of the damn distractions, we have an amnesty to defeat!! This time it will be much harder, to stop, than last time!

Keep up the good work, my friend, we appreciate, and admire you for it! Let's get back to work, and stop the bullshit!

[AyatollahGondola]

The immigration law enforcement movement is mainly political, yet the basic infrastructure of our constituency operates as a quasi military or employer relationship. This explains why we our own government is fearless of our prospects long term. It may also explain why ultra-liberals fear us. We probably look like a bunch of mercenaries to them. There's no reason we cannot build a more responsive, functional, and above board platform. 1inchGroup mentioned electing our leaders

[borderraven]

I'll wait until I can hear the testimony of witnesses, observe cross-examination, and see evidence presented, before I'll declare guilt. Davi, until that happens, you are innocent.

[borderwatch]

You are great guy, working very hard in Sacramento with not a lot of support.

You are a great Patriot and a Brave Man.

[reportanddeport]

Chelene Nightengale has ruined Save Our State with her OBSESSION with POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. ALL you're going to get from her is domination and bizarre liberal values, NOT co-operation. DON'T waste your time with SOS, rather, FORM YOUR OWN NETWORK of reliable individuals who are focused on stopping illegal aliens, instead of drawing attention to themselves and trying to control others.

[cashopolis]

I don't call supporting Ron Paul and INSISTING that everyone else does, too, political correctness. Nor do I call it the work of a non-profit.

[SquawPeaks]

Imagine if ego's and BS were put aside and as much effort went into exercising rights and changing what we demand in the legislatures where our rights are first not only exercised but enacted. It's no wonder I go it alone. Can't depend on anyone to do the dirty dirty work but yourself! Protests do nothing without the savvy of utilizing OUR legislative process. How many bills has SOS, MMP or MMC written or helped introduced in any state? Don't answer if it won't give me hope.

[AyatollahGondola]

I'll give you some hope. The SOS founder got some traction with a local ordinance, and I've been working on one as well. Also, many of the SOS faithful pushed for legislative efforts when they were critical. I think people lost faith in legislative remedy after 187 was overuturned

[SquawPeaks]

Thank You! From your statement, I see it was individuals who acted on their own accord. Individuals stopped the 4 amnesty back door pushes by Bush and the democratic congress. What if any org. has written and introduced legislation in any state? I commend your efforts, perhaps we should hook up. I recently got a bill passed in my state and four others in 2 other states all against illegals. Seems u are willing to do the hard work and I am tired of begging for help and getting only the excuses

[oneinchgroup]

This is ridiculous dude. To even start to compare yourself to Gilchrist is a joke. That dude was in it for himself and his own financial gain. I know you as one of the few remaining people that still puts their money and their free time where their mouth is.

SOS was never intended to be a controlled group of people. The intent was to let people do what they wanted to do, and post about it there.

All this because you had someone's email address in your book. Ridiculous and asinine.

[reportanddeport]

You're missing the point. Yes, Gilchrist is a megalomaniacal ass who has been stalked by a hit mob, BUT, the people after him are just as jealous of Gilchrist's prominence, as they legitimately upset about Gilchrist's phoniness. I too despise Gilchrist, but I finally realized that the dogs hunting him down mostly want to replace Gilchrist's phony mug with their own phony mugs.

[AyatollahGondola]

Yeah, I am not Gilchrist. He is another one issuing drama packed email hit pieces across the internet. That's all they do; accuse, indict, and defend without ever concluding the process. If we had tried his claims before a jury of his peerswithin our movement, this may have been over long ago. the truth may have actually set us all free from this saga.

[cashopolis]

Just because Nightengale ADVERTISED Gilchrist as doing a thing certainly doesn't mean he did. In fact, I'd have tendencies to believe the opposite. I sit and read the SOS forum right now wherein the Nightendrool is advertising some event in which you pay $30 to get in, $80 to rent a table, etc. Knowing this and the $1500 per month wrongfully paid to Nightenblow by Gilchrist is despicable evidence that money flows into SOS coffers unchecked and spent by her. But somehow THAT'S ok. ??

[PochoPatriot]

It IS time to end the dictatorships within the Border Security movement.

[kdreger]

I agree, the rule of law is decided in the court, not online in some stupid chat area or forum! Grow up folks, we do not eat our own please.

[Bigbadred23]

You disrespected me on sos how does it feel I spent 6 months on the border and You reap what u sow bro I thank You for what You do but u did the same shit to me

[linwooddeaton]

I guess you didn't understand the speech he just gave. United we stand.

[AyatollahGondola]

BigBadRed23,

I don't know the circumstances you mentioned; there were probably a lot of instances where I treated people unfairly. I was just a bigger spoke in the SOS wheel, but I still did what I was directed many times, as opposed to what I wished. However, that is not to say that I wouldn't vote to do it again on my own given the same percieved offenses. The point is, now you have no say in your defense; no choice in your leaders, and no voice in how your supposed community operates.

[WilliamDawes]

It wasn't about tit for tat, it was about tyranny

[JamesTCA]

I declare you:  Not guilty.