Love this one...first time I heard the mono single...almost a shame that it was Motown itself that in part killed doo-wop...cause this is a superb group harmony side
Our local group was on the same bill with the Tempts doing "Check Yourself." We met the guys in the back of the club. I liked their older styles best. My favorite of theirs was, and is, "Farewell My Love." Kendricks sings straight on that one. We never did their tunes, however, but mainly Spaniels (Peace of Mind) and others. Is it possible we'll never see this stuff again outside of oldies shows? I really hope not.
No records, but had talks with execs before I went in the Army, breaking up the group. We were called the Del Renos. We sang in dance clubs and also at The Village across from Olympia Stadium for a while (orchestra backup). Went to school with Wanda Young of the Marvelettes, too, back in Inkster (Lil' Detroit). Good times for the young back then. Too bad we didn't know it until it was gone. Been in Florida now for 28 yrs.
Sorry to hear you never recorded, but it still must have been exciting to be a part of the Detroit scene. Lots of stuff was going on back then, especially before Motown moved to LA
Oh, yeah! Those were times of dancing to steps and lots of singing. Songs were mostly about love, the longing for it or the loss of it. We weren't into making statements back then, just music. Detroit and its suburbs, tough as they were, did produce some pretty, sweet stuff, much of which was outside of the record industry.
Aaahhh....I'm so loving this classic! Wow, I just did the Temptations "Stroll!" Thanks to desperadoxl for sharing this and to PJDooWop for posting it! TEMPTATIONS FOREVER!!!!
I couldn't agree more. I tried uploading a couple of their rarer doo wop ones but got stopped by WMG. It's weird.. most of the Motown catalog is owned by UMG who are really cool about us posting their music, but a few (most of the rarer stuff) is owned by WMG.
"This isn't doo-wop" - HA-HA-HA-HA! "Berry Gordy never made a doo-wop record" -HA-HA-HA-HA! It is. He did. And doesn't this song's structure and arrangement resemble Stevie Wonder's "Contract on Love"? Now,okay, why fool around? - gloves off - Are the 4 Seasons doo wop? (He ducks and runs).
Agreed, but as one who lived it, it's hard to hear something contrary to what you witnessed. Same as the Holocaust issue today. Of course it happened, but 60 years later, revisionists will try to alter history.
Check out My Pillow by The Temptations.. It's pure doo wop from '62 (doowopisforever posted it). I attempted to upload a few Gordy doo wops (The Creations / The Satintones) but they were blocked due to copyright issues. I'll be posting a few Miracles doo wop ballads in the near future (Depend On Me, Bad Girl, After All)
@PJDooWop I love "My Pillow" ......I tried to upload some Velvelettes and Marvelettes but they were blocked while other Motown records are allowed. I'm so confused by thie copyrite stuff. I thought UMG not VMG......I dunno. Thanks for posting this anyway bruh.
UMG is upload friendly. They pop ads on the videos... When you think of it, it's brilliant on their part. They have revenue streams all over the place and they've done nothing but allow us to use their music. We do all the work - but I don't mind. I appreciate them being so cool about it.
UMG owns most of the Motown catalog which is why a good portion of it is up. WMG got the rights to some of it, and they're the ones that usually block uploads
You're so right. I think it's brilliant the way that they will advertise and even add the itunes and Amazon download. It's great advertisment i think. WMG need to hand over the other stuff to UMG. LOL....
The Wiki article explains that doowop did have a narrow def. It later expanded by some to include 40s and early 50s R&B. Who gave whomever to expand it. It was already defined. Gordys 50s songs were just an extension of the early 50s R&B group songs. Berry worked with Jackie Wilson and Marv Johnson...would that qualify them as DW? No way. Straight up R&B with some nice crossover to Pop. I like the way Wiki explained it. It's like I said (and Wiki agrees) the term was subject to revisionism.
Actually, if we use the Wikipedia article as the focal point of the discussion then it also supports my statements. As a matter of fact the Wikipedia article gives doo wop a much looser definition than you or I could even dream of. And I quote, "During its recording era from around 1939 to 1964, many groups produced doo-wop songs on 78 RPM records...... How many doo-wop songs that got recorded from 1939 to 1964 is not really known."
The problem with Wikipedia is that it's publicly written and edited. Some of the information is wrong and the article even double talks itself in parts. According to Wiki, Paradise by the Temptations falls within the constraints of what doo wop is. "With its smooth, consonant vocal harmonies, doo-wop was one of the most mainstream, pop-oriented R&B styles of the 1950s and 1960s." Paradise came out in '62, the same time I Love You by The Volumes came out (another Detroit doo wop release)
I think your interpritation of doo wop and mine are a lot closer than we think. Doo Wop, as a term, was "around" in the 60s but not accepted as a genre until the 70s. Gossert and Frank Zappa (Gus Gossert's best friend) didn't invent it, but Gossert brought it to the forefront just like Alan Freed did when he borrowed the term Rock and Roll. For the sake of the rest of Youtube I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here. The discussion was a lot of fun and I respect your opinions.
Examples: In the Still of the Night (Shoo Doo...), Baby, The Closer You Are, Maybe, Deserie, Fires Burn No More, One Summer Night, Oh What A Nite, Don't Ask Me (To Be Lonely), I Only Have Eyes For You, any Jive Five, Story Untold, Florence...out of preference I lean towards slow ones, but Rama Lama Ding Dong too. Remember Who Put the Bomp??? He's talking DW. Maybe if we locate early albums that say DooWop, we see what they include. Do you see how I have a narrower definition? Enjoyed.
I guess my question would be this.. Motown came to exist in '59.. Berry Gordy produced (not just wrote) records going back to '57 that were unmistakeably doo wop. Now if they were mimicing the sound of the time - doo wop - and making the sound of the time - doo wop - how is it not doo wop? Deep bass, high falsetto, tight harmony, nonsense syllables, classic chord progression, etc. Yes, Motown was a sound of it's own but in the early days they were trying to cash in on the current R&B styles.
Examples: Solitaires, Tunedrops, Distants, and Pirates. The first 2 were early R&B, the later 2 R &B. That's what we called them. Paradise is classic R&B, at least in 1960 lingo. Motown became a defined group on its own. I never heard of Gussert, but I seriously doubt if he defined DW loosely. Berry's Thrill of Love for Solitaires is early R&B. So that's what doowop ISN'T. What is it, you ask? It's typified by those guys on the corner singing harmony under the light, but had blurring on edges..
Thx. Based on your examples given, I believe we have a breakdown in the "definition of doowop". I'll warn you, I began buying records in 1955, was a buyer of Gordy-written records since 1957, and was a Motown junkie. Doowop was a term that had a narrow def, unlike what you and others are saying. It did not include early 50s R & B, nor late 50s R & B, nor early 60s R & B, 3 distinct groups, with blurring at the edges. It was certain sounds from the late 50s to mid 60s, but not defined by date.
The term DooWop is getting so watered down now. Temps never sang doowop. Berry Gordy never made a doowop record. Some kind of revisionist history going on here.
No revisionist history going on at all. First thing first, the term doo wop didn't exist in the 50s or early 60s at that matter. It was coined by Gus Gossert in the early 70s. He used to call 50s/60s group records doo wopps and it stuck. Berry Gordy put out tons of doo wop records. Check out Malcolm Dodds and The Tunedrops on End, The Satintones on Motown or The Creations on Miracle. Motown was making r&b group records with nonsense syllables (which is WHAT doo wop is) in the late 50s/early 60s.
I'd like to take this one step further. The Temptations absolutely did sing doo wop. They started as a fusion of The Primes, The Pirates and Distants. They had slicked waterfall haircuts, sang in tight formation, used nonsense syllables, etc. Give Always by The Distants a spin.. It's clearly and remarkably classic doo wop to the point that you'd think they were from Brooklyn. If Paradise wasn't recorded in the snakepit or produced by Berry Gordy I think you'd agree it's doo wop too.
Ah, Just finished watching the movie, Tears towards the end. Amazing band.
emmag4321 1 week ago
I know this is pre David Ruffin with Eddie, Paul,Otis and Melvin, but I forget the name of the fith guy....
footshaman 1 month ago
This is amazing stuff, one of the best version I have listen to.Thanks
lekalasoul1 2 months ago in playlist More videos from PJDooWop
Very nice! Thanks.
Bob47003 5 months ago
sounds alittle like maurice williams (STAY)
melkyjr 6 months ago
T-E-R-R-I-F-I-C! THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES AND THE FUN,TOM D
doowopman49 7 months ago
I'm likeing this, something else wow.
soulman1950 10 months ago
i loved this song, the eddie kendricks, voice´s awesome, and melvin, in the bass lead its just amazing!
JUAREZ1872 1 year ago 2
Agreed :)
PJDooWop 1 year ago
So Melvin Franklin is the bass on this record? Very smooth bass rifts.
Azishome 1 year ago
Yes, that is Melvin
PJDooWop 1 year ago
PJ, when was this released? I love it but I don't remember it at all, and I thought I knew the early motown stuff about as well as any motowner.
coyotesong 1 year ago
@coyotesong Right around August 1962 as Gordy 7010 or January 1963! This song kinda reminds me of Marvin Gaye's 1962 hit "Stubborn Kind Of Fellow"
Chicago10281 1 year ago
This is awesome i love it
thanks for this post this is wowwwwwwww
hugs'
sandy
doowopsweetheartt 1 year ago
love this record,enjoyed the debate too but this is definitely
doo wop ,although maybe not definitively so.
SuperGeemac 1 year ago
Love this one...first time I heard the mono single...almost a shame that it was Motown itself that in part killed doo-wop...cause this is a superb group harmony side
thecountofbasie 1 year ago
not into motown , but this i like !!!! very good !!
ERIK VON
rocknroll1955 1 year ago
I heard this on Bobby Jay's show on WWRL and finally found it on CD. Great song!
yardlet6 1 year ago
Our local group was on the same bill with the Tempts doing "Check Yourself." We met the guys in the back of the club. I liked their older styles best. My favorite of theirs was, and is, "Farewell My Love." Kendricks sings straight on that one. We never did their tunes, however, but mainly Spaniels (Peace of Mind) and others. Is it possible we'll never see this stuff again outside of oldies shows? I really hope not.
Walt1124 2 years ago
I love the early Temptations tracks as well. What group were you in? Did you do any records?
PJDooWop 2 years ago
No records, but had talks with execs before I went in the Army, breaking up the group. We were called the Del Renos. We sang in dance clubs and also at The Village across from Olympia Stadium for a while (orchestra backup). Went to school with Wanda Young of the Marvelettes, too, back in Inkster (Lil' Detroit). Good times for the young back then. Too bad we didn't know it until it was gone. Been in Florida now for 28 yrs.
Walt1124 2 years ago
Sorry to hear you never recorded, but it still must have been exciting to be a part of the Detroit scene. Lots of stuff was going on back then, especially before Motown moved to LA
PJDooWop 2 years ago
Oh, yeah! Those were times of dancing to steps and lots of singing. Songs were mostly about love, the longing for it or the loss of it. We weren't into making statements back then, just music. Detroit and its suburbs, tough as they were, did produce some pretty, sweet stuff, much of which was outside of the record industry.
Walt1124 2 years ago
@PJDooWop Do you know when this was released??? Thanks for another great track.
coyotesong 1 year ago
hey man...this is it! Classic, classic. I appreciate all of your music man.
ioxxd90 2 years ago
I appreciate all the kind comments
PJDooWop 2 years ago
Aaahhh....I'm so loving this classic! Wow, I just did the Temptations "Stroll!" Thanks to desperadoxl for sharing this and to PJDooWop for posting it! TEMPTATIONS FOREVER!!!!
angelofbebop 2 years ago
this is great stuff. after i seen the movie i wanted to hear the whole song and couldn't find it anywhere. thanks PJ!!
chibihahn 2 years ago
Glad you found it.
PJDooWop 2 years ago
Temptations + Doo Wop = Superb.
Newmapsofsocal 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more. I tried uploading a couple of their rarer doo wop ones but got stopped by WMG. It's weird.. most of the Motown catalog is owned by UMG who are really cool about us posting their music, but a few (most of the rarer stuff) is owned by WMG.
PJDooWop 2 years ago
"This isn't doo-wop" - HA-HA-HA-HA! "Berry Gordy never made a doo-wop record" -HA-HA-HA-HA! It is. He did. And doesn't this song's structure and arrangement resemble Stevie Wonder's "Contract on Love"? Now,okay, why fool around? - gloves off - Are the 4 Seasons doo wop? (He ducks and runs).
lesgore54 2 years ago
Yes, it is similar to Contract On Love and Let Me Go The Right Way by The Supremes.. Good observation
PJDooWop 2 years ago
Agreed, but as one who lived it, it's hard to hear something contrary to what you witnessed. Same as the Holocaust issue today. Of course it happened, but 60 years later, revisionists will try to alter history.
At least we both like Doowop, whatever it is.
srercrcr22 2 years ago
Check out My Pillow by The Temptations.. It's pure doo wop from '62 (doowopisforever posted it). I attempted to upload a few Gordy doo wops (The Creations / The Satintones) but they were blocked due to copyright issues. I'll be posting a few Miracles doo wop ballads in the near future (Depend On Me, Bad Girl, After All)
PJDooWop 2 years ago
@PJDooWop I love "My Pillow" ......I tried to upload some Velvelettes and Marvelettes but they were blocked while other Motown records are allowed. I'm so confused by thie copyrite stuff. I thought UMG not VMG......I dunno. Thanks for posting this anyway bruh.
ioxxd90 2 years ago
UMG is upload friendly. They pop ads on the videos... When you think of it, it's brilliant on their part. They have revenue streams all over the place and they've done nothing but allow us to use their music. We do all the work - but I don't mind. I appreciate them being so cool about it.
UMG owns most of the Motown catalog which is why a good portion of it is up. WMG got the rights to some of it, and they're the ones that usually block uploads
PJDooWop 2 years ago
@PJDooWop
You're so right. I think it's brilliant the way that they will advertise and even add the itunes and Amazon download. It's great advertisment i think. WMG need to hand over the other stuff to UMG. LOL....
ioxxd90 2 years ago
@ioxxd90 yea, me to I love "my pillow " the best , it's more doowop than motown !
ERIK VON
rocknroll1955 1 year ago
The Wiki article explains that doowop did have a narrow def. It later expanded by some to include 40s and early 50s R&B. Who gave whomever to expand it. It was already defined. Gordys 50s songs were just an extension of the early 50s R&B group songs. Berry worked with Jackie Wilson and Marv Johnson...would that qualify them as DW? No way. Straight up R&B with some nice crossover to Pop. I like the way Wiki explained it. It's like I said (and Wiki agrees) the term was subject to revisionism.
srercrcr22 2 years ago
Actually, if we use the Wikipedia article as the focal point of the discussion then it also supports my statements. As a matter of fact the Wikipedia article gives doo wop a much looser definition than you or I could even dream of. And I quote, "During its recording era from around 1939 to 1964, many groups produced doo-wop songs on 78 RPM records...... How many doo-wop songs that got recorded from 1939 to 1964 is not really known."
PJDooWop 2 years ago
The problem with Wikipedia is that it's publicly written and edited. Some of the information is wrong and the article even double talks itself in parts. According to Wiki, Paradise by the Temptations falls within the constraints of what doo wop is. "With its smooth, consonant vocal harmonies, doo-wop was one of the most mainstream, pop-oriented R&B styles of the 1950s and 1960s." Paradise came out in '62, the same time I Love You by The Volumes came out (another Detroit doo wop release)
PJDooWop 2 years ago
I think your interpritation of doo wop and mine are a lot closer than we think. Doo Wop, as a term, was "around" in the 60s but not accepted as a genre until the 70s. Gossert and Frank Zappa (Gus Gossert's best friend) didn't invent it, but Gossert brought it to the forefront just like Alan Freed did when he borrowed the term Rock and Roll. For the sake of the rest of Youtube I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here. The discussion was a lot of fun and I respect your opinions.
PJDooWop 2 years ago
Examples: In the Still of the Night (Shoo Doo...), Baby, The Closer You Are, Maybe, Deserie, Fires Burn No More, One Summer Night, Oh What A Nite, Don't Ask Me (To Be Lonely), I Only Have Eyes For You, any Jive Five, Story Untold, Florence...out of preference I lean towards slow ones, but Rama Lama Ding Dong too. Remember Who Put the Bomp??? He's talking DW. Maybe if we locate early albums that say DooWop, we see what they include. Do you see how I have a narrower definition? Enjoyed.
srercrcr 2 years ago
I guess my question would be this.. Motown came to exist in '59.. Berry Gordy produced (not just wrote) records going back to '57 that were unmistakeably doo wop. Now if they were mimicing the sound of the time - doo wop - and making the sound of the time - doo wop - how is it not doo wop? Deep bass, high falsetto, tight harmony, nonsense syllables, classic chord progression, etc. Yes, Motown was a sound of it's own but in the early days they were trying to cash in on the current R&B styles.
PJDooWop 2 years ago
Examples: Solitaires, Tunedrops, Distants, and Pirates. The first 2 were early R&B, the later 2 R &B. That's what we called them. Paradise is classic R&B, at least in 1960 lingo. Motown became a defined group on its own. I never heard of Gussert, but I seriously doubt if he defined DW loosely. Berry's Thrill of Love for Solitaires is early R&B. So that's what doowop ISN'T. What is it, you ask? It's typified by those guys on the corner singing harmony under the light, but had blurring on edges..
srercrcr 2 years ago
Thx. Based on your examples given, I believe we have a breakdown in the "definition of doowop". I'll warn you, I began buying records in 1955, was a buyer of Gordy-written records since 1957, and was a Motown junkie. Doowop was a term that had a narrow def, unlike what you and others are saying. It did not include early 50s R & B, nor late 50s R & B, nor early 60s R & B, 3 distinct groups, with blurring at the edges. It was certain sounds from the late 50s to mid 60s, but not defined by date.
srercrcr 2 years ago
The term DooWop is getting so watered down now. Temps never sang doowop. Berry Gordy never made a doowop record. Some kind of revisionist history going on here.
srercrcr22 2 years ago
No revisionist history going on at all. First thing first, the term doo wop didn't exist in the 50s or early 60s at that matter. It was coined by Gus Gossert in the early 70s. He used to call 50s/60s group records doo wopps and it stuck. Berry Gordy put out tons of doo wop records. Check out Malcolm Dodds and The Tunedrops on End, The Satintones on Motown or The Creations on Miracle. Motown was making r&b group records with nonsense syllables (which is WHAT doo wop is) in the late 50s/early 60s.
PJDooWop 2 years ago
I'd like to take this one step further. The Temptations absolutely did sing doo wop. They started as a fusion of The Primes, The Pirates and Distants. They had slicked waterfall haircuts, sang in tight formation, used nonsense syllables, etc. Give Always by The Distants a spin.. It's clearly and remarkably classic doo wop to the point that you'd think they were from Brooklyn. If Paradise wasn't recorded in the snakepit or produced by Berry Gordy I think you'd agree it's doo wop too.
PJDooWop 2 years ago
I bought this 45rpm when it was released here in Oz where it was a nice little hit on the top 40..
love it ! pure 1962
Dave195312 2 years ago
I thought you didn't have this one. Remember we had this discussion. YOU WANTED MINE!
leaann312 3 years ago
Hey Leann.. It was how long since we had that conversation about this record? Maybe 6 months to a year ago? lol. Since then I have found a copy.
PJDooWop 3 years ago
Great record!
TopshelfTom 3 years ago
A great track, I love it.Thanks.
cob1965 3 years ago
Tight Work PJ,I Love It
chess1458 3 years ago
I like this one :) Nice upload..
DooWop45Oldies 3 years ago
Timeless! Priceless!
ioxxd90 3 years ago
Absolutely.. Interestingly it seems this record is more easily recognizable now than when it was out back then.
PJDooWop 3 years ago
hey!!!! i love this song
blalimon 3 years ago
It's a hard song not to like. This record has cross collectability because the Doo Wop, Soul and Motown guys want it.
PJDooWop 3 years ago
The first time I heard this one, it was featured in movie. Although, I never got to hear all of it, until now. Cool song!!!
iluvmyboba 3 years ago
top tune !!!
kerjan1 3 years ago
thank you
PJDooWop 3 years ago
I like it....Good one PJ.
Labaron26 3 years ago
Good one! Going into the Fav list! ☺ ☺ ☺ ♪♫
ladyrockndoowop 3 years ago
glad you added it to your faves :)
PJDooWop 3 years ago
fabulous
wufwufwufwuf 3 years ago
LOVE IT KTF
VAVABOLTON 3 years ago
Brilliant!
grandprix63 3 years ago
Brilliant posting PJ.Keep `em comin` brother!!
sidney0212 3 years ago
BRILL MATE
VAVABOLTON 3 years ago
Thank you
PJDooWop 3 years ago
Spot on!!!,.ktf.
djdeitch 3 years ago
That is INCREDIBLE!!! Thanks for posting!!!
AnitaLife27 3 years ago
clean tune...wish i had that 45'
oldschoolen1 3 years ago
This song was a hit in Detroit and California back in '63. Although this is a very rare record, copies do surface from time to time.
PJDooWop 3 years ago