@smokinthepot you're missing the point, the cinder blocks are always spaced up so the top breaks the bottom, here you see the energy traveling through all the bricks until it has nowhere else to go and it splits the bottom brick. its all about potency
@umdoisdasilvatres Exactly. He could have stood on a single ply of glass like that because his weight wasn't just in the middle of it. Pressing down with the fingers also creates a gap at the bottom of the stack which is then slammed down, breaking only the brick at the bottom that had the gap between it and the cinderblock.
then you should know better than all of us that you cause the brick to lift. hence the two fingers on the corner of the stack. how much did you pay for that training.
This break is not physics, it is called internal chi, this takes many years of special training, I know I have done the training, I am sifu kash's disciple, next he is not pushing the brick he is directing his chi to the bottom break, please show respect for my teacher, thanks.
Hello, My sifu has broken the middle brick of a stack, when people cannot understand something they try to find the answer by making their mind comprehend it logically, sometimes logic is not the truth, People try to disprove God because they cannot find the answer, so they turn to logic again to calm their minds, you have to ask my teacher what break you wanted.
you people suck! the reason why the bottom one is breaking is because there are no spacers in between the rest of the bricks, and the bottom one is being held by cinderblocks that hold so little surface space, the bottom brick has to break, its called physics!! you people make me sick.
only one way for me to prove it. ill make a series of videos debunking all of these "ironpalmists". i dont claim to be an iron plamist but any fool with a tough hand can break a brick with spacers that wide. i weight 265 lbs. of course i can break like that, its called physics. but only one way to prove it huh, my new videos will be up in 3 months, i wan to debunk and trash talk every aspect of board breaking and brick breaking.
ok first i want to say that im not doubting your skill in any other type of style. I havent seen anything but this fake brick stuff. but dude you and all the other posers are giving this a bad name. break the brick without pushing on the corner and lifting it then i will show respect.
Show me a finger tip break. 1 board. I did 2. I will tell you the "value" of breaking. It makes the ignorant masses you are selling books, DVDs or classes to impressed with your "power". That's it. It's a marketing trick...always has been always will. I studied "Iron Palm" as one of the 72 Essential Arts during my course of training. It is a conditioning exercise, nothing more. It is not some magic Chi strike or method of using such.
Breaking is the easiest thing in the world to do. "Hardness" doesn't matter when you break as the shock from a strike is what breaks things. Harder objects tend to be brittle when it comes to receiving this type of force. I can take any douchebag on here and teach them to duplicate any of the bricks this joker can do, within 2 hours. It's simple.
staged, fake breaks? I can learn those from any charlatan. and yeah let me say this...99% of the "awards" "sifu" Kash has received don't actually exist. 10th Duan! There are a total of 9 people who have received this award from China...9, Wu Bin (Jet Li's teacher) being one. To my knowledge not one of these is a Gui Lao (look it up).The claims made on this dude's website are completely outrageous.
OH I never said I CAN'T break. In fact my best break ever which I would challenge anyone else to try and duplicate was 2 on inch pine boards 12 x12" no spacers held at eye level to me. I broke these with a finger tip thrust. It was at a major competition to which I got 2nd place to a guy who broke like 11 2 inch wide and 18 inch long bricks with pencil spacers...oooooh and yeah they were on fire!!! Was a Brian Gray lineage too..LOL Fake asses.
ok.. I am willing to give YOU the benefit of the doubt because you trained with Grandmaster, sifu, Doctor, Grand Wizard Kash (whom I have NEVER, EVER heard of and I know everyone) and you may have wanted to believe all his own self-aggrandizing hype. After reading his site, I know now where you are coming from and how you may believe you got the real deal. I will be writing a pretty in depth article for Bullshido on THAT guy.
It means you have been taught how to use physics...nothing mystical, nothing special... I can take the average idiot off the street and teach them how to break bricks in a couple of hours.
I got incredibly lucky to train with who I got to train in my formative years and from there became moderately successful in life to afford to go see famous masters or bring them here for clinics. I really truly despise BS like this. I don't break any more because it really proves nothing. Hell when I was a lowly green belt, I won a breaking contest against several black belts including a 4th degree. I got 1st with 4 board broken (I was 12) while adults got 2nd with 3.
travel to Hong Kong and seek out someone like Yuen Man Kai. He is the real deal for good traditional kung fu. He doesn't break, but skill wise and knowledge wise he is one of the best.
look...virtually every single "iron palm" master has cheated in their breaks. In 2003 I brought Jet Li's coach to the US. As a demo I broke sticks over my then 8 years old daughters arms. To the ignorant masses it was impressive, but really, it was only about how to break the sticks. Did it show her incredible Chi? no...it showed my ability to control the stick breaking so as not to hurt her. vilify me for that trick, but it was a crowd pleaser.
for the rest of the tournament Chan spent his time trying to get my teacher to remember him from Hong Kong in the 1960s. After this, Art couldn't say hi to us enough.
The arrogance of Painter in one year versus the ass kissing he did the very next year proved to me all I need to know about the guy. Same thing happened to Art D'Agostino of Chan Poi's school. I was in the elevator in 1990 with my coach and him. We both nodded politely to him and he snuffed and ignored us. (my coach was new to the US, but very well known in Hong Kong) later that day, Chan Poi came up to us at dinner asking my teacher if he remembered him. my teacher respectfully said no.
jeffoo68-Dr. Painter is no fake. A good friend of mine who has studied under some of the best-and knows several people you mentioned-is a student of Dr. Painter. My friend doesnt waste his time studying under people with no skill. As to Dr. Painter and Park Bok Nam, if what you said is true it does not make Dr. Painter 'fake'. And compared to Park Bok Nam, who is really good at Ba Gua? Your statement is like saying that Mark Spits is 'fake' because Michael Phelps is better.
I am not denying John's skills. He is mediocre. Where my problem with him lies is in his..well...lies. He has exaggerated and padded his kung fu resume to the point where it is ridiculous. At the same time, I will hit him with the genealogy. His original lineage was non existent. His law enforcement claims and his claims of being a Texas Ranger are also silly. My beef with this exaggeration doesn't end with him tho... a LOT of "masters" do this. Jerry Cook comes to mind, as an example.
continuing on with Painter...Park was correcting him on very basic techniques and in general showed Dr. Grandmaster former Texas Ranger John Painter as mediocre at best, a fraud at worst. Anyway...with Brian Gray. I can name several iron palm teachers who teach others openly and are far superior: Kwong Wing Lam, Tak Wah Eng, Winchell Woo, Chan Poi (his school is now being run by his daughter), Steve Catrall, Shi Deyang (coming to the US soon), Yang Jwing Ming and any others.
John Painter may take a while to post about because of the 500 character limit here. my first style was Ba Gua which i learned from an uncle for 7 years who trained with Park pok Nam in Korea in the 1970s. In 1987 I met John Painter and told him who I trained with, to which he arrogantly replied..young man you are mistaken, BaGua is not KOREAN, it is Chinese...well the very next year when Sifu Park came over to the US, Painter couldnt crawl up his ass fast enough.
OK...in 1986 he did a 13 stack "world record" break in Houston. he used pencils for spacers. FAKE. His training methods outlined in his books are over simplified and miss many of the key components to making truly effective iron palm, which is the over all conditioning of the rest of the body. Repeated striking into sand bags (or iron) without this can lead to elbow problems and even heart problems...Not only a fake but puts people in danger of injury.
Yes every grandmaster in history was once a student. MY own system founder Wong Long was a shaolin student. However, a Grandmaster with no lineage, no real training or competing credentials is always very dubious. ESPECIALLY one with an American name. Sadly..many of these 1st generation masters are dying out. This could mean that we may see American grandmasters, but these 1st generation guys taught so many people..one sole heir would be impossible.
Yes, but Brian Gray has 0 lineage to speak of. He is as fake as John Painter, legendary Texas Ranger...*cough cough* I loved seeing a real Ba Gua guy (park Pok nam) slap the hell out of him in 1990 before the masters demo.
I can't tell if these were baked prior to or not. I pointed out that it's a common trick. And Brian Gray can fake people into thinking he can break. He also very briefly in the early 1990's "created" his own style, which turned out to be merely the old Wushu contemporary forms. I believe in 1992 World Championships in Malaysia showed how much of a fraud he is. he has since laid very low.
Masonry products get weaker as moisture is removed. That's a simple fact any bricklayer can tell you. For fire bricks, they are quite thin. I don't know where they would be used. See above about Brain Fake Gray. Also for me being a couch potato, LOL. I fought against Cung Le in the 1990s. I teach hand to hand combat to 2400 National Guards troops as a civilian contractor before they get deployed to Iraq. And I produced several national champions in forms and fighting.
why dont you show a video of yourself doing something. fire brick are used in chimney's. and i own a construction company so i can answer questions on building materials. and theres 83 deadly skills of which there are 15 levels of iron palm. you not knowing that shows what you actually know.
There are TONS of videos put there on me. I retired as it is from world class competition at World Championships in 1996 Baltimore. 83 deadly skills...COME ON...deadly skills...please. Not once in the entire written OR pictographic history of Shaolin Kung fu is there ONCE mentioned "deadly skills". If you would care to do any actual research, I would recommend the books, written in 1926. This very instructional book was taken directly from the walls of Shaolin.
Back to the book. The Shaolin Authentic spells out CLEARLY 72 skills. As many people know 9 is a significant number in Chinese culture. Multiples of 9 on skills are evident in kung fu because of this number (18 classic weapons 9 x2). Therefore, 83 methods would NOT be a number used by traditional Chinese as it is not divisible by 9. In these 72 methods (divisible by 9), there are many palm and fist conditioning, but only 1 Iron Palm named skills. Who is your teacher again?
which one? Seriously. I would love to check the credentials behind you. when I was in China one of the ways the real masters sort through the bullshit is by asking you about your lineage. They will quiz you about who your teacher was and who his teacher was, etc. until you mentioned someone they know of. If you couldn't do that then it was pretty much "screw off" to you. I was able to attract the notice of many many famous masters by being the real deal and proving my lineage.
FAKE!!!!! LOL this idiot is so ridiculous. Everyone knows that bricks break from the bottom up. So all this means is he is too weak to break the full stack. Standing on the bricks is a parlor trick as well. If you notice his feet are LONGER than the brick. So...the actual pressure is put on the support blocks. Finally, based on the color, these bricks have likely been baked in an oven before use, which makes them very brittle.
Guys like this are a disgrace to legitimate martial artists
the bricks are half fire brick. go get some and then go fuck yourself my breaks are not fake. when i have the time more will be posted. i also dont believe its a good idea to show all you know on the internet, these breaks are barely scratching the surface of iron palm
These breaks are an example that proves any monkey can be taught a parlor trick. Impress me and break the stack. Or better yet, kill a bull like the great master Mas Oyama did. The truth about Iron Palm is it is merely another conditioning exercise out of Shaolin. There is absolutely nothing mystical about the real methods of iron palm. In fact, it is so historically insignificant that it is listed only as 1 of 72 methods for training and conditioning.
Fake...anyone with basic physics understanding knows that when you break a stack of anything, they break from bottom to top. True internal power such as that from Pak Nam (BaGua) will allow you to break ANY brick in the stack. This guy is faker than Brain Gray, whom I have seen get the crap slapped out of him on more than one occasion.
ok... i believe you now. apologies for doubting you. :) so whats the application for this? you can slap someone on the face and it'll burst their brain but leave no bruise on the skin? :P
there is no application. You're supposed to be in awe of his mystical Chi. Stacks break from the bottom up. There are a couple things that make this a total bunch of BS for an application because a) bricks can't block or move out of the way and b) a real human target is not placed against an immovable object when it's hit. When selecting a teacher one should research his credentials and lineage a bit more thoroughly. So far this guy has offered nothing to that effect.
Interesting how he only breaks the bottom two bricks. I must admit that he does a good job, considering that non of the bricks are separated by pencils or chopsticks.
Everyone go search Patrick McCarthy Koryu Uchinadi. This is the guy that taught Shorinteacher aka Ifukwhatever how to be the supreme killer of all Kung Fu stylists! Remember all of the crap he talked about traditions, ineffective MA's etc. When you're done laughing read back through all of his posts. If you haven't pissed yourself laughing after watching those videos and thinking about what that retard claims, I'll have to shake your hand! Shorin post yourself doing that kama kata OMFG LOL!!!
rendouche is the stereotypical CMA fag that talks a lot of shit but can't back it up. when you back him into a corner he turns into a bitch and says that you are not acting like a martial artist. he says what he wants and it's ok, but when you challenge his incredibly laughable ideas, he cries foul. what a bitch! I would kick his puny ass with incredible ease.
You can't do shit but run your mouth. You haven't responded to any challenges and your confidence in your benchpress and heavy pag training won't keep you from getting knocked out. That's why you are scared to show yourself. You're a pussy trying to discredit the real deal so people will feel comfortable in only knowing the few common sense low level techniques you have to offer, that anyone can buy on ebay. You call it practical, we call it first rank. You're a dime a dozen nobody.
rendouche is a little pussy! SHE can't fight so she hides behind history and lineage. All this to avoid having her precious techniques proven to be the bullshit that we all know them to be. Fuck her and her yeast filled vag. even that FAG brian Gray says that your basic "iron palm" hand position is incorrect. Now go suck his dick to gain approval of your fake techniques. that is what you fags do right? buy rank and pay for certificates that "prove" you can fight. HAHAHA PUSSy!
btw Brian Gray?! The self titled "father of Iron Palm in America" says we're doing it wrong? LMFAO who cares what that pedophile claims? He's likely your gay uncle, and the reason why you love getting sweaty in your underwear and rolling around with other 230lb bear men like yourself. He released a video while others maintain the integrity of not giving away information. That's your hero and expert opinion? LOL you're such a joke man...
renPUSSY claimed to have no connection to these cloudfags in an attempt to give them some sort of credibility from an "impartial" source. the truth soon came out. renpussy turned out to be Jeremy's boyfriend. quite an elaborate attempt at hiding their homosexuality from "the military". just remember "don't ask, don't tell". FAGS!
I never claimed I didn't know them. In one of my first posts I said I met them dumbshit!? BTW how many of your family members were in the military again? Did one of them touch you in a funny place? Is that why you always associate military with gayness? Post up your ribbon rack, and I'll show you mine bitch... Oh wait?! You're still perfecting your kama form? Too busy training in your gi to fight for your country? We get it dude... you're an angry impotent bitch. Let it rest already?
Greek MA sucks i like to see them try this break LOL they would end up trying it for hours without the swift and accuracy of this break this style is far superior thin any style Greeks MA looks so gay 2 guys wrestling is gay enough LOL
Icodouche thinks grappling is gay but he doesn't think wearing pajamas and performing choreographed dance routines with a bunch of guys while bending over(bowing) and talking about chinese "medicine" and concentrating on "retaining energy" by not ejaculating!
Do you have trouble keeping yourself from ejaculating with all of these guys? SO much so that you really have to concentrate? You FAG!!!!!!!
when are you going to back up your shit talking. since it seems you know so much, and your such a great fighter. I've told you once and i'll tell you again talk is cheap. hope to see you soon.
Everyone go to bullshido and look up the MMA is gay video... You'll get a good laugh. I bet Shorindouche is one of the guys in the banana hammocks prancing around nuts to butts. Anyway, I just wanted to say go back to your qwoon and swordfight jujitsu style with your training "partners". You only reply with sweeping stereotypes about things you don't understand. It gets old repeating myself man. Stop trying to sweet talk us into rubbing nuts with you man. None of us are into that stuff!
Rendouche is another moron that thinks mma=grappling. Do I really need to explain? You claim that your cma has "everything" that mma trains, then that means you must rub a lot of nuts! I know you're definitely down on your knees in front of your master! FAG!
Well there's no fucking way that MMA has any arguement other than grappling dipshit. I'm not even challenged unless I'm on the ground! LOL. I never said that MMA is all grappling. It's just that people assumes CMA has no ground skills, so I focus on that. Pretty simple right?
I had a FIVE way with Jeremy's mom, Icodouche's mom, Rendouches mom, and Jeremy's GRANDMOTHER. It was kind of awkward because all of their pussy ass husbands were there watching in fear, but be for real, what were those PUSSIES going to do about it?! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
i've openly invited you to come by and try and back up your bullshit comments. your to scared to do anything, that much is obvious. you know who i am, where i train, but yet i know nothing about you. now ask yourself who is the fucking coward. now you've lowered yourself to insulting my mom and grandmother, how old are you? 12. as i've said many times before talk is cheap, the invite is still there, please come by and see me. mama's boy
Ok so everyone go to subfighter, lockflow, mixedmartialart, go buy your Gracie BJJ videos, or head off to your local MMA gym that magically appeared where your Japanese or Korean martial art dojo used to be. After a year when the gross limb manipulations, basic striking, takedowns, throws, etc get old and you want to pursue a more complete martial art or even lifestyle, take what you know put it in your pocket and find a good Kung Fu qwoon. You'll find a home there, and a family of great people.
Again a CMA pract. thinking he can hear about a tech. and work some version of it a few times and now magically, he has mastered all. Take your own advice, if you are instructor level as you seem to present yourself, go to a reputable BJJ school and ask to roll with the instr. In cma's the instr. will come up with ev. excuse poss. to avoid this scenario, as if his skills are so superior that he cannot touch a beginner, but in BJJ this happens daily and he won't be offended. You will get owned.
You just don't listen bro... I'm military. My base is surrounded by MMA, and every martial art you can think of. People who go to Korea or Japan come back and train on base with me. There are greats like Jeremy Horn no more than 30 minutes from me. I work with there people. I know the culture, I'm part of it. No matter what style I work with, it's already in my kung fu. I see the same techs again and again. CMA directly created Japanese and Korean MA. MMA is practical, but it's not a complete MA
Considering the fact that you feel Jeremy Horn is one of the "greats", and you say the same thing over and over again, it is obvious that your opinion of MMA is based mainly on grappling. The term MMA means MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, junior. Not just grappling, and just because Jeremy Horn is somewhere nearby, that doesn't mean that you've ever trained with him or beaten him. Either way, he's no big deal, and you are a zero.
Jeremy Horn has fought more professional MMA fights then you could count on all of your students fingers and toes Si Mui, he's beaten Chuck Liddel and has built up his own circuit up here. Furthermore, who are you to call him anything but great. You're a dick jerk nobody who gets online after training and tries to trick people out of discovering their maximum potential. You want them to come train with you in your little crap infested dog kennel with your barking mouth and limited skills. URFAKE
Rendouche, if I never picked up a golf club, I could give my opinion on the performance of Tiger Woods or anyone else that has competed. If I never played football, I could comment on the performance of a team or even a particular player. This is America, freedom of speech. Fuck you if you claim to represent America in the military, and then try to stop such a simple thing as words. BTW, bragging about being in the military is getting old. A lot of people served, and that's all I'll say about it
Jeremy Horn himself admits that he beat the chuck liddel of 6 years ago, not the chuck liddel of today. Btw, do you remember something about a rematch?
Like any other gym fighting against your worthless no name ass, Jeremy Horn's camp would make you look stupid in or out of the ring. Your ignorance and disrespect doesn't make your weak ass system any better. When are you going to learn that Si Mui?
Now you are Jeremy Horn's representative! You deflect comments about the ineffectiveness of cma's by referencing Jeremy Horn, interesting tactic! You are not Jeremy Horn, you suck. Jeremy Horn is not a huge name in mma because compared to the top names, he sucks. Thank you.
Knowing Jeremy Horn, he would chug a mountain dew, say fuck it, tackle you, and choke you out in less than 30 seconds. He's fought over 100 professional fights and dwarfs you're bullshit. If he's weak, you're a super bitchling!
It's going to be really funny choking you unconscious. When you wake up, I'm going to remind you of everything you said, then I'm going to hit you with the hardest punches you've ever felt and in your life, little man.
Seriously Jeremy, if you fought every low level worthless douche that thought like this guy, you'd never get any training done, because you'd be fighting 1,000,000 Americans that don't know shit. Forget him... Leave him to his training that's already sold out and posted on every submission fighting website on the planet. When he turns 40 and his testosterone levels can't back up his ego, he'll be looking for a good higher level martial artist to show him a true lasting martial art. Maybe TaiChi?
CMA= all show and no go. You make a lot of claims but can't actually back them up. You know it and I know it. Most Chinese practitioners are all talk. They think lineage and certificates are more important than effectiveness. They are holier than thou when espousing martial philosophy but lose that lofty facade when their fraud and deception is pointed out. Effectiveness without false claims is more true to martial philosophy than fancy uniforms and a lack of combat worthiness.
CMA has the longest track record of organized documented battlefield martial arts. It goes back at least 3500 years. If 4 generations of lazy CMA guys suck at their art, it doens't mean that the next student won't take the system, train it for combat and wreck people. MMA is the sporting equivilent to CMA sparring. A good teacher will condition his students not to grapple, because it's a good way to get stabbed or jumped. Keep your feet, stay mobile, stay alert. That's battlefield MA. MMA=sport
Greeks practiced organized MA many years before Shaolin, this is true. However, Asian MA predates Greece MA by at least 600 years. "Do some research bitch."
rendouche claims that his faggot martial art has some direct lineage to ancient chinese battlefield techniques even though those techniques are not what is generally considered to be a systematized form of cma. he's grasping at straws, the same way his MOM and JEREMY'S MOM grasp at DICKS!!!!
Well if you knew jack shit about anything, which you don't you'd realize that the human body hasn't changed too much over the past 100,000 years or so. Any Egyptologist will tell you that their civilizations documented wrestling techniques look like ours today. It's common sense that people have been using the same techniques for thousands of years jerk off. The fact is that MMA is just common hand to hand techniques crapped out from generations of warriors. MMA = athelete & Kung Fu = warrior.
Disprove me then! You can't because I'm right and you know it. Look up what I'm saying people. Chinese military history, the history of martial arts, wrestling whatever. Look at Japanese and Chinese sources. Hell see what the BJJ guys say. You come back with your baseless comments and insults big guy, but they don't stack up to the facts. You're the FAKE and you know it. You have to confuse the ignorant to get people into your school, becuase your system's history doesn't hold a candle I bet.
Laughably true and deserves a better response... so where is it? But like MMA sport fighting, it didn't exist when real men were fighting for their lives using shaped steel. Again, go oil up and rub your dicks on each other. 9 out of 10 of you are stuck on the same bullshit stereotypes and buy in ignorantly to what you're being sold then have the nerve to lecture us... complete jerk offs. You don't have any idea of what I do or do not know, train, whatever...
shorinteacher's alternate login, you're the bitch that has to benchpress more than everyone in the gym and talk shit on internet boards to feel good about yourself. Post up your schools address, and stop hiding behind your handle. You're hiding in real life and online now, but still talking shit... hilarious really. Or are you afraid that we'll all watch your favorites and playlists and laugh at what a bitch you must really be?
Mycenaean Age vs. The Yellow Emperor (4600 years ago developed chinese medicine, and had an organized well trained military). Pankration wasn't full blown until 600's BC. So CMA owns that by a measly 1500-2000 years. Not to mention that more recent evidence is supporting ancient chinese history claims. Either way, since man could form a spear we've had organized MA so who cares? Gross limb manipulations are instinctual and basic.
WOW! Rendouche has an internet connection and all he can manage to find is bullshit that says there happened to be some form of military in china a long time ago, well that must really mean that this fake iron palm demo is somehow real. Wow, you sure told me. Just like I told your MOM and JEREMY'S MOM to tongue eachother's assholes after I SPLOOGED in them! OLD WHORES!!!!!
wow, you really are childish. comments like that are ones said in grade school. i openly invite you and all you do is insult my mother. i obviously get on your nerves, that's very funny to me. if you ever feel like stepping up and trying to act like a man, let me know. otherwise, i'm done talking. it's a waste of my time considering your nothing but a spoiled little bitch, and a coward.
WEiliFAG, you don't get on my nerves. Actually, you amuse me. With your bullshit demos and your bullshit fake Kung fu. Get in shape before you try to compete with the big boys, little man.
What amuses me is how a guy called Shorinteacher or translated Small Forest teacher. Which in Chinese would be Shaolinteacher... is saying that Kung Fu is fake? Listen Shorinteacher... The sweat, blood, hard work, years of excellence found in many Kung Fu schools world wide can't be undone, by one brash, egotistical, ignorant blow hard such as yourself. Jeremy is real, his hard work is real, his training is real. It's going on in front of you. It's not CGI or hollywood magic. It's good kung fu
I've got your number Shorinteacher, and it's zero. I've reduced you to name calling and baseless statements. Now post your fake ass claims of victory over respectable CMA practitioners! Show me what REAL iron palm looks like. "One weeklings" like you run home puss hurt after training in a CMA qwoon and never come back. You're full of quit and yet hungry for power. You run to other schools begging like dogs, because you're weak and lack character. Show us something real! Please!
Shorinteacher is right. He is not CMA (Chinese Martial Art). Based on his name, he is Shorin Ryu (Japanese). However his bullshit meter clearly works here. So before you say that Japanese is dif from chinese martial arts. Shorin Ryu means little forest in Japanese..as does SHAOLIN! *gasp* so if he has done shorin ryu with a good instructor or good lineage from say Tadashi Yamashita or someone, he likely knows more that thses dufuses on here about real martial arts.
im not going to waste time defending one of our geneologies to you. its obvious any real knowledge you get from some one you turn it around and try and make it your own. go back to reading books.
Actually, books, DVDs and other information gathering along with being highly skilled in at least one form of kung fu is what separates a true master from a decent practitioner. Learning about other systems helps refine your own skills as well. No I am not saying you can or should learn solely from a book or DVD, but the info you can get is worthwhile. I can carry on an intelligent conversation with any number of masters about their style, supplementing it with my own experience.
All of you little kung fu bitches think you can discuss fighting theories and maybe watch the UFC a couple of times and that will somehow magically prepare you for a fight against a real mixed martial artist. This will be called rude awakening time. lol
MMA = gross joint manipulation + chinese boxing. It's all covered in CMA and considered low level training because it's basic skill. You're a moron if you think a martial art has survived over 3,000 years without gross limb armbars legbars, wrist, ankle, shoulder & hip wraps, chokes, etc. etc. The difference is our skills were tested on battle fields where armbars get you stabbed to death. In a streetfight, wrestling will get you stabbed or jumped. MMA = Basic skills+advanced body conditioning
Shaolin is 1,800 years old, not 3,000. Most kung fu systems as we know them are only about 400-600 years old. "our skills" were tested on the battlefield, yes, however many of our skills were taught and evolved to keep China's professional standing armies from getting bored between wars. Much of it served merely as conditioning while the very basics were what was used in the actual battlefield. Style means jack...the individual and their skills determine the better fighter.
you really are a dickhead. i know all about multiples of different numbers they even change depending on if its buddhist or taoist beliefs your talking about. i'll tell you as i told the other dickheads, put up or shut up, talk is cheap. im not going to waste my time talking to a moron like yourself anymore. all you now is what you read in books and your talking out of your ass. theres 72 original chin na as well you can divide that by nine if you like.
Do you read your posts before you post them? 72 Chin Na is of COURSE divisible by 9, the sacred number I alluded to earlier. You actually proved my point. For the record...there is no Southern Shaolin. Officially, it never existed. SOME shaolin teachers moved to Hong Kong in the 1910s-1920s and formed Chin Woo Athletic Association and their version of Shaolin has gradually changed slightly to the southern tastes, but there is no such thing as s. shaolin.
No actually, you MMA guys took techniques CMA crapped out to Japanese MA guys, that then crapped it out to BJJ guys, that then had to train in other martial arts becuase theirs was incomplete. After years of UFC, you finally understand that you need to be fluid in both ground and standing combat to win. Take that add on weapons, chi gung, philiosophy, chinese medicine, etc. and you start to scratch the surface of what kung fu has done for thousands of years. U R LOW LEVEL, but practical yes. lol
Shorin is starting to get on my nerves these guys as you call frauds are no frauds cause i trained with them and learned the Iron Palm skill from Grand Master sifu Kash bacj in 2001 even though his school docent exist anymore his teachings stay with me and im not going to let anyone bring fake assumptions or cause a drama here like Rendo sead we put our minds and sweat into learning the skill please stop dishonoring masters teachings ok
I should somebody would fucking teach me.
CampinBush 1 month ago
trolls should be palmed in the face, theyll understand when their brain explodes
woopwoopiii 3 months ago
you glued that board together, and i expected somethig epic like all the cinderblocks to turn to dust
smokinthepot 11 months ago
@smokinthepot you're missing the point, the cinder blocks are always spaced up so the top breaks the bottom, here you see the energy traveling through all the bricks until it has nowhere else to go and it splits the bottom brick. its all about potency
orangebluemango 8 months ago
@orangebluemango so you and jean claud van dam posess this skill did you learn it in ballet like him?
smokinthepot 8 months ago 2
@smokinthepot no, i just understand how it works.
orangebluemango 8 months ago
this is rubbish, you do that to a proper master and he'll laught in your face
kinstar 1 year ago
maybe the dude should not have stood on it. Coz his weight could have cracked a brittle brick.
gareththomasnz 1 year ago
Two fingers :)
This man - that girl with penis :)
A3sdr 1 year ago
I don't want to criticize but ... ya that's just a physics tricks!!! If you manage to break a given central brick, then it will be worst it
lionelwushu 1 year ago
JUST FARTED
TheLibertard 2 years ago
fake
physics trick
umdoisdasilvatres 2 years ago
most people can do this
panterafist 2 years ago
@umdoisdasilvatres Exactly. He could have stood on a single ply of glass like that because his weight wasn't just in the middle of it. Pressing down with the fingers also creates a gap at the bottom of the stack which is then slammed down, breaking only the brick at the bottom that had the gap between it and the cinderblock.
1465225568 1 year ago
asshole
TheLibertard 2 years ago
I'd only be impressed if he broke all the bricks with that slap. Breaking the bottom brick is just a trick, not qi.
eishundchon 2 years ago
I also studied under Sifu Kash please show a little respect. this criticism must stop!!!!!!
Icothean22 2 years ago 3
then you should know better than all of us that you cause the brick to lift. hence the two fingers on the corner of the stack. how much did you pay for that training.
sctrep 2 years ago
This break is not physics, it is called internal chi, this takes many years of special training, I know I have done the training, I am sifu kash's disciple, next he is not pushing the brick he is directing his chi to the bottom break, please show respect for my teacher, thanks.
revshifu 2 years ago
im sure your from class, no one will listen, until they actually did the training they will never know
96poyman3 2 years ago
Yes I agree, many years of training....
revshifu 2 years ago
it is physics lol if it wasnt physics and infact it is this thing you call chi get your teacher to break not the bottom one but
3rd from the bottom, if what you say is true he should have no problem doing this, no spaceing either.
the bottom one breaks for the same reason if u have 4 balls in a line all touching and u hit the first ball the last ball will move first,
ive already broken bricks in my previouse videos useing nothing but force, NO hidden energy just force. take a look
bloutyben 2 years ago
Hello, My sifu has broken the middle brick of a stack, when people cannot understand something they try to find the answer by making their mind comprehend it logically, sometimes logic is not the truth, People try to disprove God because they cannot find the answer, so they turn to logic again to calm their minds, you have to ask my teacher what break you wanted.
revshifu 2 years ago
show me him breaking the middle brick with out any form of space's, and all bricks must be identicle
bloutyben 2 years ago
you people suck! the reason why the bottom one is breaking is because there are no spacers in between the rest of the bricks, and the bottom one is being held by cinderblocks that hold so little surface space, the bottom brick has to break, its called physics!! you people make me sick.
UFMA4LIFE 2 years ago
can u do it then?
bfstek22 2 years ago
only one way for me to prove it. ill make a series of videos debunking all of these "ironpalmists". i dont claim to be an iron plamist but any fool with a tough hand can break a brick with spacers that wide. i weight 265 lbs. of course i can break like that, its called physics. but only one way to prove it huh, my new videos will be up in 3 months, i wan to debunk and trash talk every aspect of board breaking and brick breaking.
UFMA4LIFE 2 years ago
im already doing it lol take a look at my previouse vids im doing the same thing u want to and ive already started, i need more bricks tho lol
bloutyben 2 years ago
middle one... lol
XXXREDROOMXXX 2 years ago
ok first i want to say that im not doubting your skill in any other type of style. I havent seen anything but this fake brick stuff. but dude you and all the other posers are giving this a bad name. break the brick without pushing on the corner and lifting it then i will show respect.
sctrep 2 years ago
very nice break! Are you wearing a weaght vest during your secound break? If So why?
cws333one 2 years ago
light body training. soon im going to post more breaks and iron body. no matter what you do people will still think its BS. thanks
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Show me a finger tip break. 1 board. I did 2. I will tell you the "value" of breaking. It makes the ignorant masses you are selling books, DVDs or classes to impressed with your "power". That's it. It's a marketing trick...always has been always will. I studied "Iron Palm" as one of the 72 Essential Arts during my course of training. It is a conditioning exercise, nothing more. It is not some magic Chi strike or method of using such.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
Breaking is the easiest thing in the world to do. "Hardness" doesn't matter when you break as the shock from a strike is what breaks things. Harder objects tend to be brittle when it comes to receiving this type of force. I can take any douchebag on here and teach them to duplicate any of the bricks this joker can do, within 2 hours. It's simple.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
staged, fake breaks? I can learn those from any charlatan. and yeah let me say this...99% of the "awards" "sifu" Kash has received don't actually exist. 10th Duan! There are a total of 9 people who have received this award from China...9, Wu Bin (Jet Li's teacher) being one. To my knowledge not one of these is a Gui Lao (look it up).The claims made on this dude's website are completely outrageous.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
OH I never said I CAN'T break. In fact my best break ever which I would challenge anyone else to try and duplicate was 2 on inch pine boards 12 x12" no spacers held at eye level to me. I broke these with a finger tip thrust. It was at a major competition to which I got 2nd place to a guy who broke like 11 2 inch wide and 18 inch long bricks with pencil spacers...oooooh and yeah they were on fire!!! Was a Brian Gray lineage too..LOL Fake asses.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
either one of you can contact me and check my credentials. im willing to talk and show proof. im not a fake. thanks for the respect ironpalmist.
weiliaddison 2 years ago
ok.. I am willing to give YOU the benefit of the doubt because you trained with Grandmaster, sifu, Doctor, Grand Wizard Kash (whom I have NEVER, EVER heard of and I know everyone) and you may have wanted to believe all his own self-aggrandizing hype. After reading his site, I know now where you are coming from and how you may believe you got the real deal. I will be writing a pretty in depth article for Bullshido on THAT guy.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
Any human can withstand the force of breaking a brick or a stack, IF IT BREAKS. If not, no amount of training will protect you from injury.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
It means you have been taught how to use physics...nothing mystical, nothing special... I can take the average idiot off the street and teach them how to break bricks in a couple of hours.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
I got incredibly lucky to train with who I got to train in my formative years and from there became moderately successful in life to afford to go see famous masters or bring them here for clinics. I really truly despise BS like this. I don't break any more because it really proves nothing. Hell when I was a lowly green belt, I won a breaking contest against several black belts including a 4th degree. I got 1st with 4 board broken (I was 12) while adults got 2nd with 3.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
travel to Hong Kong and seek out someone like Yuen Man Kai. He is the real deal for good traditional kung fu. He doesn't break, but skill wise and knowledge wise he is one of the best.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
my main beef is he is a total bullshit artist who discredits hard working martial artists.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
look...virtually every single "iron palm" master has cheated in their breaks. In 2003 I brought Jet Li's coach to the US. As a demo I broke sticks over my then 8 years old daughters arms. To the ignorant masses it was impressive, but really, it was only about how to break the sticks. Did it show her incredible Chi? no...it showed my ability to control the stick breaking so as not to hurt her. vilify me for that trick, but it was a crowd pleaser.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
for the rest of the tournament Chan spent his time trying to get my teacher to remember him from Hong Kong in the 1960s. After this, Art couldn't say hi to us enough.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
The arrogance of Painter in one year versus the ass kissing he did the very next year proved to me all I need to know about the guy. Same thing happened to Art D'Agostino of Chan Poi's school. I was in the elevator in 1990 with my coach and him. We both nodded politely to him and he snuffed and ignored us. (my coach was new to the US, but very well known in Hong Kong) later that day, Chan Poi came up to us at dinner asking my teacher if he remembered him. my teacher respectfully said no.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
jeffoo68-Dr. Painter is no fake. A good friend of mine who has studied under some of the best-and knows several people you mentioned-is a student of Dr. Painter. My friend doesnt waste his time studying under people with no skill. As to Dr. Painter and Park Bok Nam, if what you said is true it does not make Dr. Painter 'fake'. And compared to Park Bok Nam, who is really good at Ba Gua? Your statement is like saying that Mark Spits is 'fake' because Michael Phelps is better.
ironpalmist 2 years ago
I am not denying John's skills. He is mediocre. Where my problem with him lies is in his..well...lies. He has exaggerated and padded his kung fu resume to the point where it is ridiculous. At the same time, I will hit him with the genealogy. His original lineage was non existent. His law enforcement claims and his claims of being a Texas Ranger are also silly. My beef with this exaggeration doesn't end with him tho... a LOT of "masters" do this. Jerry Cook comes to mind, as an example.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
continuing on with Painter...Park was correcting him on very basic techniques and in general showed Dr. Grandmaster former Texas Ranger John Painter as mediocre at best, a fraud at worst. Anyway...with Brian Gray. I can name several iron palm teachers who teach others openly and are far superior: Kwong Wing Lam, Tak Wah Eng, Winchell Woo, Chan Poi (his school is now being run by his daughter), Steve Catrall, Shi Deyang (coming to the US soon), Yang Jwing Ming and any others.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
John Painter may take a while to post about because of the 500 character limit here. my first style was Ba Gua which i learned from an uncle for 7 years who trained with Park pok Nam in Korea in the 1970s. In 1987 I met John Painter and told him who I trained with, to which he arrogantly replied..young man you are mistaken, BaGua is not KOREAN, it is Chinese...well the very next year when Sifu Park came over to the US, Painter couldnt crawl up his ass fast enough.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
OK...in 1986 he did a 13 stack "world record" break in Houston. he used pencils for spacers. FAKE. His training methods outlined in his books are over simplified and miss many of the key components to making truly effective iron palm, which is the over all conditioning of the rest of the body. Repeated striking into sand bags (or iron) without this can lead to elbow problems and even heart problems...Not only a fake but puts people in danger of injury.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
he hasnt shown anything either, save for a couple of very easily duplicated and staged breaks.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
Yes every grandmaster in history was once a student. MY own system founder Wong Long was a shaolin student. However, a Grandmaster with no lineage, no real training or competing credentials is always very dubious. ESPECIALLY one with an American name. Sadly..many of these 1st generation masters are dying out. This could mean that we may see American grandmasters, but these 1st generation guys taught so many people..one sole heir would be impossible.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
Yes, but Brian Gray has 0 lineage to speak of. He is as fake as John Painter, legendary Texas Ranger...*cough cough* I loved seeing a real Ba Gua guy (park Pok nam) slap the hell out of him in 1990 before the masters demo.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
I already said I have been studying for 29 years. Since I was 11.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
Wei I would love to see your style on here sheesh yall are insulting Sifu Kash and his school need to Stop or just watch anuther video
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
I can't tell if these were baked prior to or not. I pointed out that it's a common trick. And Brian Gray can fake people into thinking he can break. He also very briefly in the early 1990's "created" his own style, which turned out to be merely the old Wushu contemporary forms. I believe in 1992 World Championships in Malaysia showed how much of a fraud he is. he has since laid very low.
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ironpalmist 2 years ago
Masonry products get weaker as moisture is removed. That's a simple fact any bricklayer can tell you. For fire bricks, they are quite thin. I don't know where they would be used. See above about Brain Fake Gray. Also for me being a couch potato, LOL. I fought against Cung Le in the 1990s. I teach hand to hand combat to 2400 National Guards troops as a civilian contractor before they get deployed to Iraq. And I produced several national champions in forms and fighting.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
why dont you show a video of yourself doing something. fire brick are used in chimney's. and i own a construction company so i can answer questions on building materials. and theres 83 deadly skills of which there are 15 levels of iron palm. you not knowing that shows what you actually know.
weiliaddison 2 years ago
There are TONS of videos put there on me. I retired as it is from world class competition at World Championships in 1996 Baltimore. 83 deadly skills...COME ON...deadly skills...please. Not once in the entire written OR pictographic history of Shaolin Kung fu is there ONCE mentioned "deadly skills". If you would care to do any actual research, I would recommend the books, written in 1926. This very instructional book was taken directly from the walls of Shaolin.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
Back to the book. The Shaolin Authentic spells out CLEARLY 72 skills. As many people know 9 is a significant number in Chinese culture. Multiples of 9 on skills are evident in kung fu because of this number (18 classic weapons 9 x2). Therefore, 83 methods would NOT be a number used by traditional Chinese as it is not divisible by 9. In these 72 methods (divisible by 9), there are many palm and fist conditioning, but only 1 Iron Palm named skills. Who is your teacher again?
jeffoo68 2 years ago
one of our schools geneologies is through one of the people you mentioned before. who taught the 83 skills from s. shaolin
weiliaddison 2 years ago
which one? Seriously. I would love to check the credentials behind you. when I was in China one of the ways the real masters sort through the bullshit is by asking you about your lineage. They will quiz you about who your teacher was and who his teacher was, etc. until you mentioned someone they know of. If you couldn't do that then it was pretty much "screw off" to you. I was able to attract the notice of many many famous masters by being the real deal and proving my lineage.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
FAKE!!!!! LOL this idiot is so ridiculous. Everyone knows that bricks break from the bottom up. So all this means is he is too weak to break the full stack. Standing on the bricks is a parlor trick as well. If you notice his feet are LONGER than the brick. So...the actual pressure is put on the support blocks. Finally, based on the color, these bricks have likely been baked in an oven before use, which makes them very brittle.
Guys like this are a disgrace to legitimate martial artists
jeffoo68 2 years ago
the bricks are half fire brick. go get some and then go fuck yourself my breaks are not fake. when i have the time more will be posted. i also dont believe its a good idea to show all you know on the internet, these breaks are barely scratching the surface of iron palm
weiliaddison 2 years ago
These breaks are an example that proves any monkey can be taught a parlor trick. Impress me and break the stack. Or better yet, kill a bull like the great master Mas Oyama did. The truth about Iron Palm is it is merely another conditioning exercise out of Shaolin. There is absolutely nothing mystical about the real methods of iron palm. In fact, it is so historically insignificant that it is listed only as 1 of 72 methods for training and conditioning.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
Fake...anyone with basic physics understanding knows that when you break a stack of anything, they break from bottom to top. True internal power such as that from Pak Nam (BaGua) will allow you to break ANY brick in the stack. This guy is faker than Brain Gray, whom I have seen get the crap slapped out of him on more than one occasion.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
And anyone who knows physics knows holy energy's don't exist.
Ebuverthebicepcurler 2 years ago
ok... i believe you now. apologies for doubting you. :) so whats the application for this? you can slap someone on the face and it'll burst their brain but leave no bruise on the skin? :P
millball 2 years ago
there is no application. You're supposed to be in awe of his mystical Chi. Stacks break from the bottom up. There are a couple things that make this a total bunch of BS for an application because a) bricks can't block or move out of the way and b) a real human target is not placed against an immovable object when it's hit. When selecting a teacher one should research his credentials and lineage a bit more thoroughly. So far this guy has offered nothing to that effect.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
Interesting how he only breaks the bottom two bricks. I must admit that he does a good job, considering that non of the bricks are separated by pencils or chopsticks.
mfisker 3 years ago
Finally some good post about this break sheesh was wandering when the haters were going to stop talking down to them I used to go to that school
Icothean22 3 years ago
good break teach me u got msn
Amitboy1980 3 years ago
Nah man, You can't learn this by chatting. This is months,,// what am i saying? Maybe YEARS of practicing!!
saidadib 3 years ago
he is acttuly usin chi with his styel chi can be incresed with daily qi gong exersizes .
zodiak121 3 years ago
Good Break Sir
ghostdog223 3 years ago
Everyone go search Patrick McCarthy Koryu Uchinadi. This is the guy that taught Shorinteacher aka Ifukwhatever how to be the supreme killer of all Kung Fu stylists! Remember all of the crap he talked about traditions, ineffective MA's etc. When you're done laughing read back through all of his posts. If you haven't pissed yourself laughing after watching those videos and thinking about what that retard claims, I'll have to shake your hand! Shorin post yourself doing that kama kata OMFG LOL!!!
rendao1977 3 years ago
rendouche is the stereotypical CMA fag that talks a lot of shit but can't back it up. when you back him into a corner he turns into a bitch and says that you are not acting like a martial artist. he says what he wants and it's ok, but when you challenge his incredibly laughable ideas, he cries foul. what a bitch! I would kick his puny ass with incredible ease.
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
You can't do shit but run your mouth. You haven't responded to any challenges and your confidence in your benchpress and heavy pag training won't keep you from getting knocked out. That's why you are scared to show yourself. You're a pussy trying to discredit the real deal so people will feel comfortable in only knowing the few common sense low level techniques you have to offer, that anyone can buy on ebay. You call it practical, we call it first rank. You're a dime a dozen nobody.
rendao1977 3 years ago
rendouche is a little pussy! SHE can't fight so she hides behind history and lineage. All this to avoid having her precious techniques proven to be the bullshit that we all know them to be. Fuck her and her yeast filled vag. even that FAG brian Gray says that your basic "iron palm" hand position is incorrect. Now go suck his dick to gain approval of your fake techniques. that is what you fags do right? buy rank and pay for certificates that "prove" you can fight. HAHAHA PUSSy!
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
btw Brian Gray?! The self titled "father of Iron Palm in America" says we're doing it wrong? LMFAO who cares what that pedophile claims? He's likely your gay uncle, and the reason why you love getting sweaty in your underwear and rolling around with other 230lb bear men like yourself. He released a video while others maintain the integrity of not giving away information. That's your hero and expert opinion? LOL you're such a joke man...
rendao1977 3 years ago
renPUSSY claimed to have no connection to these cloudfags in an attempt to give them some sort of credibility from an "impartial" source. the truth soon came out. renpussy turned out to be Jeremy's boyfriend. quite an elaborate attempt at hiding their homosexuality from "the military". just remember "don't ask, don't tell". FAGS!
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
I never claimed I didn't know them. In one of my first posts I said I met them dumbshit!? BTW how many of your family members were in the military again? Did one of them touch you in a funny place? Is that why you always associate military with gayness? Post up your ribbon rack, and I'll show you mine bitch... Oh wait?! You're still perfecting your kama form? Too busy training in your gi to fight for your country? We get it dude... you're an angry impotent bitch. Let it rest already?
rendao1977 3 years ago
quit fucking around and enjoy the video or leave... this is awesome!
Nubreeder 3 years ago
Greek MA sucks i like to see them try this break LOL they would end up trying it for hours without the swift and accuracy of this break this style is far superior thin any style Greeks MA looks so gay 2 guys wrestling is gay enough LOL
Icothean22 3 years ago
Icodouche thinks grappling is gay but he doesn't think wearing pajamas and performing choreographed dance routines with a bunch of guys while bending over(bowing) and talking about chinese "medicine" and concentrating on "retaining energy" by not ejaculating!
Do you have trouble keeping yourself from ejaculating with all of these guys? SO much so that you really have to concentrate? You FAG!!!!!!!
shorinteacher 3 years ago
when are you going to back up your shit talking. since it seems you know so much, and your such a great fighter. I've told you once and i'll tell you again talk is cheap. hope to see you soon.
weiliaddison 3 years ago
I used my iron palm to bitch slap Jeremy's ho of a mom! My pimp hand is STRONG!
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
from waxing to UFC...
rendao1977 3 years ago
Everyone go to bullshido and look up the MMA is gay video... You'll get a good laugh. I bet Shorindouche is one of the guys in the banana hammocks prancing around nuts to butts. Anyway, I just wanted to say go back to your qwoon and swordfight jujitsu style with your training "partners". You only reply with sweeping stereotypes about things you don't understand. It gets old repeating myself man. Stop trying to sweet talk us into rubbing nuts with you man. None of us are into that stuff!
rendao1977 3 years ago
Rendouche is another moron that thinks mma=grappling. Do I really need to explain? You claim that your cma has "everything" that mma trains, then that means you must rub a lot of nuts! I know you're definitely down on your knees in front of your master! FAG!
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
Well there's no fucking way that MMA has any arguement other than grappling dipshit. I'm not even challenged unless I'm on the ground! LOL. I never said that MMA is all grappling. It's just that people assumes CMA has no ground skills, so I focus on that. Pretty simple right?
rendao1977 3 years ago
I had a FIVE way with Jeremy's mom, Icodouche's mom, Rendouches mom, and Jeremy's GRANDMOTHER. It was kind of awkward because all of their pussy ass husbands were there watching in fear, but be for real, what were those PUSSIES going to do about it?! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
i've openly invited you to come by and try and back up your bullshit comments. your to scared to do anything, that much is obvious. you know who i am, where i train, but yet i know nothing about you. now ask yourself who is the fucking coward. now you've lowered yourself to insulting my mom and grandmother, how old are you? 12. as i've said many times before talk is cheap, the invite is still there, please come by and see me. mama's boy
weiliaddison 3 years ago
Yes, I am a momma's boy, YOUR MOMMA"S BOY, and BOY does she like it in the ASS!!!!!!!JEREMY's MOM loves it in the ASS!!!!!!!!!!
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
Ok so everyone go to subfighter, lockflow, mixedmartialart, go buy your Gracie BJJ videos, or head off to your local MMA gym that magically appeared where your Japanese or Korean martial art dojo used to be. After a year when the gross limb manipulations, basic striking, takedowns, throws, etc get old and you want to pursue a more complete martial art or even lifestyle, take what you know put it in your pocket and find a good Kung Fu qwoon. You'll find a home there, and a family of great people.
rendao1977 3 years ago
Again a CMA pract. thinking he can hear about a tech. and work some version of it a few times and now magically, he has mastered all. Take your own advice, if you are instructor level as you seem to present yourself, go to a reputable BJJ school and ask to roll with the instr. In cma's the instr. will come up with ev. excuse poss. to avoid this scenario, as if his skills are so superior that he cannot touch a beginner, but in BJJ this happens daily and he won't be offended. You will get owned.
shorinteacher 3 years ago
You just don't listen bro... I'm military. My base is surrounded by MMA, and every martial art you can think of. People who go to Korea or Japan come back and train on base with me. There are greats like Jeremy Horn no more than 30 minutes from me. I work with there people. I know the culture, I'm part of it. No matter what style I work with, it's already in my kung fu. I see the same techs again and again. CMA directly created Japanese and Korean MA. MMA is practical, but it's not a complete MA
rendao1977 3 years ago
Considering the fact that you feel Jeremy Horn is one of the "greats", and you say the same thing over and over again, it is obvious that your opinion of MMA is based mainly on grappling. The term MMA means MIXED MARTIAL ARTS, junior. Not just grappling, and just because Jeremy Horn is somewhere nearby, that doesn't mean that you've ever trained with him or beaten him. Either way, he's no big deal, and you are a zero.
shorinteacher 3 years ago
Jeremy Horn has fought more professional MMA fights then you could count on all of your students fingers and toes Si Mui, he's beaten Chuck Liddel and has built up his own circuit up here. Furthermore, who are you to call him anything but great. You're a dick jerk nobody who gets online after training and tries to trick people out of discovering their maximum potential. You want them to come train with you in your little crap infested dog kennel with your barking mouth and limited skills. URFAKE
rendao1977 3 years ago
Rendouche, if I never picked up a golf club, I could give my opinion on the performance of Tiger Woods or anyone else that has competed. If I never played football, I could comment on the performance of a team or even a particular player. This is America, freedom of speech. Fuck you if you claim to represent America in the military, and then try to stop such a simple thing as words. BTW, bragging about being in the military is getting old. A lot of people served, and that's all I'll say about it
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
Jeremy Horn himself admits that he beat the chuck liddel of 6 years ago, not the chuck liddel of today. Btw, do you remember something about a rematch?
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
Like any other gym fighting against your worthless no name ass, Jeremy Horn's camp would make you look stupid in or out of the ring. Your ignorance and disrespect doesn't make your weak ass system any better. When are you going to learn that Si Mui?
rendao1977 3 years ago
Now you are Jeremy Horn's representative! You deflect comments about the ineffectiveness of cma's by referencing Jeremy Horn, interesting tactic! You are not Jeremy Horn, you suck. Jeremy Horn is not a huge name in mma because compared to the top names, he sucks. Thank you.
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
Knowing Jeremy Horn, he would chug a mountain dew, say fuck it, tackle you, and choke you out in less than 30 seconds. He's fought over 100 professional fights and dwarfs you're bullshit. If he's weak, you're a super bitchling!
rendao1977 3 years ago
No jeremy doesnt buddy.
aaron2257 3 years ago
Jeremy is a little bitch.
shorinteacher 3 years ago
please come see me and try to back up your bullshit comments. if your mom cant drive you as far as NC i'll be in baltimore in july
weiliaddison 3 years ago
It's going to be really funny choking you unconscious. When you wake up, I'm going to remind you of everything you said, then I'm going to hit you with the hardest punches you've ever felt and in your life, little man.
shorinteacher 3 years ago
Seriously Jeremy, if you fought every low level worthless douche that thought like this guy, you'd never get any training done, because you'd be fighting 1,000,000 Americans that don't know shit. Forget him... Leave him to his training that's already sold out and posted on every submission fighting website on the planet. When he turns 40 and his testosterone levels can't back up his ego, he'll be looking for a good higher level martial artist to show him a true lasting martial art. Maybe TaiChi?
rendao1977 3 years ago
CMA= all show and no go. You make a lot of claims but can't actually back them up. You know it and I know it. Most Chinese practitioners are all talk. They think lineage and certificates are more important than effectiveness. They are holier than thou when espousing martial philosophy but lose that lofty facade when their fraud and deception is pointed out. Effectiveness without false claims is more true to martial philosophy than fancy uniforms and a lack of combat worthiness.
shorinteacher 3 years ago
CMA has the longest track record of organized documented battlefield martial arts. It goes back at least 3500 years. If 4 generations of lazy CMA guys suck at their art, it doens't mean that the next student won't take the system, train it for combat and wreck people. MMA is the sporting equivilent to CMA sparring. A good teacher will condition his students not to grapple, because it's a good way to get stabbed or jumped. Keep your feet, stay mobile, stay alert. That's battlefield MA. MMA=sport
rendao1977 3 years ago
Greeks practiced organized MA's before the Chinese, do some research bitch.
shorinteacher 3 years ago
Greeks practiced organized MA many years before Shaolin, this is true. However, Asian MA predates Greece MA by at least 600 years. "Do some research bitch."
rendao1977 3 years ago
rendouche claims that his faggot martial art has some direct lineage to ancient chinese battlefield techniques even though those techniques are not what is generally considered to be a systematized form of cma. he's grasping at straws, the same way his MOM and JEREMY'S MOM grasp at DICKS!!!!
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
Well if you knew jack shit about anything, which you don't you'd realize that the human body hasn't changed too much over the past 100,000 years or so. Any Egyptologist will tell you that their civilizations documented wrestling techniques look like ours today. It's common sense that people have been using the same techniques for thousands of years jerk off. The fact is that MMA is just common hand to hand techniques crapped out from generations of warriors. MMA = athelete & Kung Fu = warrior.
rendao1977 3 years ago
Laughably wrong.
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
Disprove me then! You can't because I'm right and you know it. Look up what I'm saying people. Chinese military history, the history of martial arts, wrestling whatever. Look at Japanese and Chinese sources. Hell see what the BJJ guys say. You come back with your baseless comments and insults big guy, but they don't stack up to the facts. You're the FAKE and you know it. You have to confuse the ignorant to get people into your school, becuase your system's history doesn't hold a candle I bet.
rendao1977 3 years ago
Laughably true and deserves a better response... so where is it? But like MMA sport fighting, it didn't exist when real men were fighting for their lives using shaped steel. Again, go oil up and rub your dicks on each other. 9 out of 10 of you are stuck on the same bullshit stereotypes and buy in ignorantly to what you're being sold then have the nerve to lecture us... complete jerk offs. You don't have any idea of what I do or do not know, train, whatever...
rendao1977 3 years ago
You are a pussy! hahahahaha!
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
shorinteacher's alternate login, you're the bitch that has to benchpress more than everyone in the gym and talk shit on internet boards to feel good about yourself. Post up your schools address, and stop hiding behind your handle. You're hiding in real life and online now, but still talking shit... hilarious really. Or are you afraid that we'll all watch your favorites and playlists and laugh at what a bitch you must really be?
rendao1977 3 years ago
Mycenaean Age vs. The Yellow Emperor (4600 years ago developed chinese medicine, and had an organized well trained military). Pankration wasn't full blown until 600's BC. So CMA owns that by a measly 1500-2000 years. Not to mention that more recent evidence is supporting ancient chinese history claims. Either way, since man could form a spear we've had organized MA so who cares? Gross limb manipulations are instinctual and basic.
rendao1977 3 years ago
WOW! Rendouche has an internet connection and all he can manage to find is bullshit that says there happened to be some form of military in china a long time ago, well that must really mean that this fake iron palm demo is somehow real. Wow, you sure told me. Just like I told your MOM and JEREMY'S MOM to tongue eachother's assholes after I SPLOOGED in them! OLD WHORES!!!!!
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
wow, you really are childish. comments like that are ones said in grade school. i openly invite you and all you do is insult my mother. i obviously get on your nerves, that's very funny to me. if you ever feel like stepping up and trying to act like a man, let me know. otherwise, i'm done talking. it's a waste of my time considering your nothing but a spoiled little bitch, and a coward.
weiliaddison 3 years ago
WEiliFAG, you don't get on my nerves. Actually, you amuse me. With your bullshit demos and your bullshit fake Kung fu. Get in shape before you try to compete with the big boys, little man.
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
What amuses me is how a guy called Shorinteacher or translated Small Forest teacher. Which in Chinese would be Shaolinteacher... is saying that Kung Fu is fake? Listen Shorinteacher... The sweat, blood, hard work, years of excellence found in many Kung Fu schools world wide can't be undone, by one brash, egotistical, ignorant blow hard such as yourself. Jeremy is real, his hard work is real, his training is real. It's going on in front of you. It's not CGI or hollywood magic. It's good kung fu
rendao1977 3 years ago
YOUR KUNG FU IS FAKE.
IFUkWeiladdisMOM 3 years ago
I've got your number Shorinteacher, and it's zero. I've reduced you to name calling and baseless statements. Now post your fake ass claims of victory over respectable CMA practitioners! Show me what REAL iron palm looks like. "One weeklings" like you run home puss hurt after training in a CMA qwoon and never come back. You're full of quit and yet hungry for power. You run to other schools begging like dogs, because you're weak and lack character. Show us something real! Please!
rendao1977 3 years ago
Shorinteacher is right. He is not CMA (Chinese Martial Art). Based on his name, he is Shorin Ryu (Japanese). However his bullshit meter clearly works here. So before you say that Japanese is dif from chinese martial arts. Shorin Ryu means little forest in Japanese..as does SHAOLIN! *gasp* so if he has done shorin ryu with a good instructor or good lineage from say Tadashi Yamashita or someone, he likely knows more that thses dufuses on here about real martial arts.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
im not going to waste time defending one of our geneologies to you. its obvious any real knowledge you get from some one you turn it around and try and make it your own. go back to reading books.
weiliaddison 2 years ago
Actually, books, DVDs and other information gathering along with being highly skilled in at least one form of kung fu is what separates a true master from a decent practitioner. Learning about other systems helps refine your own skills as well. No I am not saying you can or should learn solely from a book or DVD, but the info you can get is worthwhile. I can carry on an intelligent conversation with any number of masters about their style, supplementing it with my own experience.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
All of you little kung fu bitches think you can discuss fighting theories and maybe watch the UFC a couple of times and that will somehow magically prepare you for a fight against a real mixed martial artist. This will be called rude awakening time. lol
shorinteacher 3 years ago
MMA = gross joint manipulation + chinese boxing. It's all covered in CMA and considered low level training because it's basic skill. You're a moron if you think a martial art has survived over 3,000 years without gross limb armbars legbars, wrist, ankle, shoulder & hip wraps, chokes, etc. etc. The difference is our skills were tested on battle fields where armbars get you stabbed to death. In a streetfight, wrestling will get you stabbed or jumped. MMA = Basic skills+advanced body conditioning
rendao1977 3 years ago
Shaolin is 1,800 years old, not 3,000. Most kung fu systems as we know them are only about 400-600 years old. "our skills" were tested on the battlefield, yes, however many of our skills were taught and evolved to keep China's professional standing armies from getting bored between wars. Much of it served merely as conditioning while the very basics were what was used in the actual battlefield. Style means jack...the individual and their skills determine the better fighter.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
you really are a dickhead. i know all about multiples of different numbers they even change depending on if its buddhist or taoist beliefs your talking about. i'll tell you as i told the other dickheads, put up or shut up, talk is cheap. im not going to waste my time talking to a moron like yourself anymore. all you now is what you read in books and your talking out of your ass. theres 72 original chin na as well you can divide that by nine if you like.
weiliaddison 2 years ago
Do you read your posts before you post them? 72 Chin Na is of COURSE divisible by 9, the sacred number I alluded to earlier. You actually proved my point. For the record...there is no Southern Shaolin. Officially, it never existed. SOME shaolin teachers moved to Hong Kong in the 1910s-1920s and formed Chin Woo Athletic Association and their version of Shaolin has gradually changed slightly to the southern tastes, but there is no such thing as s. shaolin.
jeffoo68 2 years ago
No actually, you MMA guys took techniques CMA crapped out to Japanese MA guys, that then crapped it out to BJJ guys, that then had to train in other martial arts becuase theirs was incomplete. After years of UFC, you finally understand that you need to be fluid in both ground and standing combat to win. Take that add on weapons, chi gung, philiosophy, chinese medicine, etc. and you start to scratch the surface of what kung fu has done for thousands of years. U R LOW LEVEL, but practical yes. lol
rendao1977 3 years ago
Shorin is starting to get on my nerves these guys as you call frauds are no frauds cause i trained with them and learned the Iron Palm skill from Grand Master sifu Kash bacj in 2001 even though his school docent exist anymore his teachings stay with me and im not going to let anyone bring fake assumptions or cause a drama here like Rendo sead we put our minds and sweat into learning the skill please stop dishonoring masters teachings ok
Icothean22 3 years ago