As has happened in the past, US citizens have been confused with illegal aliens. So this intrudes their rights. In fact, this bill stomps on the Bill of Rights. It only abides by one of the first ten amendments. If im not mistaken a clause of the Constitution says the right to challenge detention "shall not be suspended" except in cases of "rebellion or invasion." That is absolutely disgusting.
Please, enlighten me as to how many times US Citizens have been mistaken for Illegal Aliens taking part in groups dedicated to the destrcution of the United states Govt. Explain to me to how they were detained, whatr happedned to them. I would love to hear thiss one...And PLLEEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSE use Ruby Ridge or WACO. Something tells me all you can up with is..."You'd be surprised" or "It happens all the time" so please, use facts in your reply
The MCA is dangerously vague in its wording. What if a legal citizen is detained, yet the people holding the person claim the legal citizen is in fact an illegal alien. No way for the legal citizen to use Habeas Corpus now because, they are an "illegal alien".
You trust in the gov. doesn't justify the wording of the MCA. Any law like that should be clear, concise and leave no question or doubt as to how it applies to citizens and non-citizens.
Bush would scare everyone who dare to dissent by branding them weak traitors, or non-patriots, or leftist - It's not about left or right any more - is about right or wrong and about the future of the human race. Com'on you people need to voice and rebel this "facist" regime of yours.
This manipulated patriotism has been played out by too many right wingers including in my country - Australia - the proliferation of views owned the far right-wingers will eventually destroy human kinds if everyone who disagrees with them remains quiet.
To you the American people, after your current presidents eventually get thrown out of office, he will definitely be remembered as one of the most successful president in manipulating patriotism. God bless you guys (and our part of the world)
I'm Canadian. I don't think I will be visiting any time soon. I've been watching in horror for six years waiting for a correction, but things have just gotten worse. And now Congress has just granted Bush despotic powers. Frankly, I'm beginning to appreciate what it was like to be Polish, French or Belgian in 1935.
Bad sync but great message. I can only hope the next President uses this act to call Bush an enemy then decide what they consider to be torture to get his confession...
Even our Supposed "Leaders" can be TRAITORS and commit TREASON...so use the act against The Administration ad turn it on themselves. beat them at there own game, but thats probably impossible.
Bad sync but great message. I can only hope the next president uses this to call Bush an enemy then decide what they consider to be torture for him...
Thanks all for your comments. I admit the video is a bit rough. There are two things I see happening. A lack of education being offered and a lack of interest from other people to learn. I feel like making flyers that state on page why this bill is madness.
You act like this bill affects every day Americans. Habeas Corpus is still in affect for US citizens. It only affects terrorist that are suspected of trying to kill inocent people. If the bill is realy as bad as you make it seam dont you think that the Supreme Court would veto it. And dont try to say the Republicans control them cause that would just be stupid.
If you notice the exact wording of the bill, it states that the President or Secretary of Defense can label anyone as an enemy combatant. It doesn't say anything about non US citizens.
Even if it effects citizens dosent mean it well ever be used. If the president tryed to hold a US citizen indifinetly for little reason he would spark a huge frenzy with the liberal media. Plus the President is not some evil repulbican he has the safety of US citizens at heart. He is not going to use this lightly on anyone. All the laws have some hole in them that can be misused, it dosent mean they ever will.
''(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.
Did you catch the last line: or is awaiting such determination?
I dont pretend to understand every aspect of this law but what I do understand is it well help fight people who whant to hurt us and are soldiers in Iraq. If this was a law that would effect every day citizens I would be mad. But so far it has only affected people who never even heard of it and would never even dreamed that a law like that existed in the first place.
''(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent
tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense.
This goes back to my post with ashamedUScitizen. The president is not going to hold a US citizen without all of those things you just mentioned he would be inpeached on the spot. Plus the President is not a evil person trying to turn America in to a facist state. He is doing what he thinks is right to protect us all. This bill is only going to affect those people that are in guantanamo bay and other prisons.
I doubt this law will never go away if the democrats take control they will probobly strip away all the anti terrism laws the republicans have put in. And if they cant it will probobly just fade in to history when its not needed like other laws sometimes do. Did you just post I got a email from Youtube about a new post but didnt notice anything new?
Why hasn't Bush been impeached for signing w199i? You don't know the president's heart. Saying he is not evil is conjecture. Your comment of Gitmo is also conjecture. What CaptRandall says CAN happen. This doesn't mean it WILL though.
No I can't see into President Bush's heart but you saying he might be evil is contecture just as well. I'm guess I'm guilty of assuming the American people didnt twice vote in someone who is evil. I guess you could call me a optimist. And all the people in power contrarry to your thoughts didnt see any reason to impeach Bush operantly.
It is irrelevant whether the current president would misuse the law if the law is permanent. Who knows who will be in power ten, twenty years from now and how they will misuse the law. This law sets a dangerous precedent.
Like I said before I tend to be a optimist and believe that the American people won't vote in a President that will grossly misuse this law. But if we do I also hope that he well be punished. Impeachment even if the misuse is bad enough. But I would agree with you that it would be nice to have a time limit.
I've never said the bill was perfect just that with todays world it might be necessary.
The Geneva Convention provides rights to soldiers fighting for there country using legitamate tactics. It does not protect terrorist targeting civilians with bombs straped to there waist. We are nowhere as bad as them we do not do beheadings we do not pull off fingernails we do use loud sounds, flashing lights and sleep deprivation. You cannot compare those different tactics. 90% of the rest of the world uses worse methods than us. Are problem is that we cant keep anything secret like they can.
Sorry I'm 16 I've got better things to do than look up some section in the Patriot act.(those porn sites arent going to find themselfs you know) If you feel like summerizing it I'm sure I will have a opinion about it though. I'm quite a opinionated person if you can't tell.
Can you think of anything that is a violation of state or federal law (J walk, fighting, car crash), influence policy (protest) that should not be considered terrorism?
I told a friend of mine that I thought would understand of all people, but he just dismissed it. "Yeah so, who cares?" Who cares? Habeas Corpus, down the shitter? Hello? Wake up!
this is unbelievable. bombs away. gr8 vid
marathontestdrive 5 years ago
Thanks for the video and everyone here should be calling the newly elected Congress and shouting bloody murder.
jasestuff 5 years ago
You are right about one thing. You are f**ked! If you don't know how to read by now, you don't don't stand much of a chance in a free society.
Sec. 948a. Definitions
`(3) ALIEN- The term `alien' means a person who is not a citizen of the United States.
I wish you well on your eternal search for a clue.
moparmarcus 5 years ago
As has happened in the past, US citizens have been confused with illegal aliens. So this intrudes their rights. In fact, this bill stomps on the Bill of Rights. It only abides by one of the first ten amendments. If im not mistaken a clause of the Constitution says the right to challenge detention "shall not be suspended" except in cases of "rebellion or invasion." That is absolutely disgusting.
SO go over the Constitution again and say this.
tribefan011 5 years ago
Please, enlighten me as to how many times US Citizens have been mistaken for Illegal Aliens taking part in groups dedicated to the destrcution of the United states Govt. Explain to me to how they were detained, whatr happedned to them. I would love to hear thiss one...And PLLEEEEEEEEAAAAASSSSSE use Ruby Ridge or WACO. Something tells me all you can up with is..."You'd be surprised" or "It happens all the time" so please, use facts in your reply
moparmarcus 5 years ago
The MCA is dangerously vague in its wording. What if a legal citizen is detained, yet the people holding the person claim the legal citizen is in fact an illegal alien. No way for the legal citizen to use Habeas Corpus now because, they are an "illegal alien".
You trust in the gov. doesn't justify the wording of the MCA. Any law like that should be clear, concise and leave no question or doubt as to how it applies to citizens and non-citizens.
ashamedUScitizen 5 years ago
exaclty, they left it vague for a reason. They could have easily kept the wording in to protect innocent americans from government tyranny.
awakenedstate 4 years ago
Bush would scare everyone who dare to dissent by branding them weak traitors, or non-patriots, or leftist - It's not about left or right any more - is about right or wrong and about the future of the human race. Com'on you people need to voice and rebel this "facist" regime of yours.
Liquidicespace 5 years ago
This manipulated patriotism has been played out by too many right wingers including in my country - Australia - the proliferation of views owned the far right-wingers will eventually destroy human kinds if everyone who disagrees with them remains quiet.
Liquidicespace 5 years ago
To you the American people, after your current presidents eventually get thrown out of office, he will definitely be remembered as one of the most successful president in manipulating patriotism. God bless you guys (and our part of the world)
Liquidicespace 5 years ago
I'm Canadian. I don't think I will be visiting any time soon. I've been watching in horror for six years waiting for a correction, but things have just gotten worse. And now Congress has just granted Bush despotic powers. Frankly, I'm beginning to appreciate what it was like to be Polish, French or Belgian in 1935.
qazwas2001 5 years ago
Bad sync but great message. I can only hope the next President uses this act to call Bush an enemy then decide what they consider to be torture to get his confession...
tenthtry 5 years ago
1984 Anyone???TOTALITARIAN State of Security...
Security is the opposite of freedom.
Even our Supposed "Leaders" can be TRAITORS and commit TREASON...so use the act against The Administration ad turn it on themselves. beat them at there own game, but thats probably impossible.
sh0kk19 5 years ago
Bad sync but great message. I can only hope the next president uses this to call Bush an enemy then decide what they consider to be torture for him...
tenthtry 5 years ago
Thanks all for your comments. I admit the video is a bit rough. There are two things I see happening. A lack of education being offered and a lack of interest from other people to learn. I feel like making flyers that state on page why this bill is madness.
ashamedUScitizen 5 years ago
You act like this bill affects every day Americans. Habeas Corpus is still in affect for US citizens. It only affects terrorist that are suspected of trying to kill inocent people. If the bill is realy as bad as you make it seam dont you think that the Supreme Court would veto it. And dont try to say the Republicans control them cause that would just be stupid.
dbearden3232 5 years ago
If you notice the exact wording of the bill, it states that the President or Secretary of Defense can label anyone as an enemy combatant. It doesn't say anything about non US citizens.
ashamedUScitizen 5 years ago
Even if it effects citizens dosent mean it well ever be used. If the president tryed to hold a US citizen indifinetly for little reason he would spark a huge frenzy with the liberal media. Plus the President is not some evil repulbican he has the safety of US citizens at heart. He is not going to use this lightly on anyone. All the laws have some hole in them that can be misused, it dosent mean they ever will.
dbearden3232 5 years ago
You should read the Bill:
SEC. 7. HABEAS CORPUS MATTERS.
(a) IN GENERAL.—Section 2241 of title 28, United States Code, is amended by striking both the subsection (e) added by section
S. 3930—37
1005(e)(1) of Public Law 109--148 (119 Stat. 2742) and the subsection
(e) added by added by section 1405(e)(1) of Public Law 109--163 (119 Stat. 3477) and inserting the following new subsection (e):
CaptRandall 5 years ago
''(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.
Did you catch the last line: or is awaiting such determination?
CaptRandall 5 years ago
Did you catch the last line: or is awaiting such determination?
I truly hope the Supreme Court does overturn this law, and quickly, as it is the most un-constitutional Law EVER PASSED!
Again I urge you/everyone to READ IT! And GET Mad!
I have already written every Senator who voted for it!
CaptRandall 5 years ago
I dont pretend to understand every aspect of this law but what I do understand is it well help fight people who whant to hurt us and are soldiers in Iraq. If this was a law that would effect every day citizens I would be mad. But so far it has only affected people who never even heard of it and would never even dreamed that a law like that existed in the first place.
dbearden3232 5 years ago
It does affect everyone!
948A states:
or
''(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent
tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense.
CaptRandall 5 years ago
if they "determine" your are a "one of them"...
you are.
-no trial
-no evidence required
-you will have NO rights (Sec 7)
-they can torture you and use then use your confession against you! 948r(b)
-no warrant are ever needed! 949a(2(B)
CaptRandall 5 years ago
This goes back to my post with ashamedUScitizen. The president is not going to hold a US citizen without all of those things you just mentioned he would be inpeached on the spot. Plus the President is not a evil person trying to turn America in to a facist state. He is doing what he thinks is right to protect us all. This bill is only going to affect those people that are in guantanamo bay and other prisons.
dbearden3232 5 years ago
This law doesn't ever expire or come up for review - never... that's a long time for a law as omnipotent as this one
CaptRandall 5 years ago
I doubt this law will never go away if the democrats take control they will probobly strip away all the anti terrism laws the republicans have put in. And if they cant it will probobly just fade in to history when its not needed like other laws sometimes do. Did you just post I got a email from Youtube about a new post but didnt notice anything new?
dbearden3232 5 years ago
Why hasn't Bush been impeached for signing w199i? You don't know the president's heart. Saying he is not evil is conjecture. Your comment of Gitmo is also conjecture. What CaptRandall says CAN happen. This doesn't mean it WILL though.
PandoraLeigh 5 years ago
No I can't see into President Bush's heart but you saying he might be evil is contecture just as well. I'm guess I'm guilty of assuming the American people didnt twice vote in someone who is evil. I guess you could call me a optimist. And all the people in power contrarry to your thoughts didnt see any reason to impeach Bush operantly.
dbearden3232 5 years ago
Can you back up your claim with proof?
What I am saying is that it is POSSIBLE your statement is not true.
PandoraLeigh 5 years ago
Sure its possible but what isent? Every law can be used badly.
dbearden3232 5 years ago
It is irrelevant whether the current president would misuse the law if the law is permanent. Who knows who will be in power ten, twenty years from now and how they will misuse the law. This law sets a dangerous precedent.
PDFlogic 4 years ago
Like I said before I tend to be a optimist and believe that the American people won't vote in a President that will grossly misuse this law. But if we do I also hope that he well be punished. Impeachment even if the misuse is bad enough. But I would agree with you that it would be nice to have a time limit.
I've never said the bill was perfect just that with todays world it might be necessary.
dbearden3232 4 years ago
Also he has never sanctioned torture. They need to do rough interigation but that is not toture.
dbearden3232 5 years ago
rough interigation - this law removes the right provided under the Geneva Convention. We are not better than them if we do this...
the lines are getting blurred...
FYI-Blame me, This Vet mistakenly voted for him :(
I am not a liberal as you may have been thinking.
CaptRandall 5 years ago
The Geneva Convention provides rights to soldiers fighting for there country using legitamate tactics. It does not protect terrorist targeting civilians with bombs straped to there waist. We are nowhere as bad as them we do not do beheadings we do not pull off fingernails we do use loud sounds, flashing lights and sleep deprivation. You cannot compare those different tactics. 90% of the rest of the world uses worse methods than us. Are problem is that we cant keep anything secret like they can.
dbearden3232 5 years ago
When we think terrorist, we all thing what you have described. Check the PATRIOT Act, Sect 802 for a defination of domestic terrorism.
PandoraLeigh 5 years ago
Sorry I'm 16 I've got better things to do than look up some section in the Patriot act.(those porn sites arent going to find themselfs you know) If you feel like summerizing it I'm sure I will have a opinion about it though. I'm quite a opinionated person if you can't tell.
dbearden3232 5 years ago
Can you think of anything that is a violation of state or federal law (J walk, fighting, car crash), influence policy (protest) that should not be considered terrorism?
PandoraLeigh 5 years ago
What do you mean? Do I think those are consederd terrorism? No of course not.
dbearden3232 5 years ago
I told a friend of mine that I thought would understand of all people, but he just dismissed it. "Yeah so, who cares?" Who cares? Habeas Corpus, down the shitter? Hello? Wake up!
eric7wolcott3000 5 years ago
Good for you for taking the time to lay it all out. It's truly frightening.
clairecoleman 5 years ago
I say your a ProudUScitizen. Great vid
warren25 5 years ago