Why do bad things happen to good trees? A little helpless tree as pretty as can be gets a disease and dies. Why??? Lightning strikes a perfectly good, majestic tree. How can this be? What is the explanation? Probably a good study of what causes disease and what causes lightning would go a long way to explain this. When nuts like Pat Robertson expain human tragety as God punishing behavior, it makes me sick. Study what creates hurricanes, earthquakes.... and stop the superstitious crap!!!
Once we develop personal believes because of what we were thought or what we noticed we develop mechanisms to keep those believes even if they arent true. Either by denial, which means you simply do not notice things that are against your believes (for example atheist comments that arent rude but nice, if you believe all atheists are arrogant mean ppl) or by distortion meaning you explain the event (like this atheist is not being sincerely nice he just pretends to be to convert me)
@princeofexcess With this reasoning for you there are no good people because you deny their existence (simply do not notice good people) and when you do notice good people you distort it (well they arent really good they did something in their life that was bad its impossible that they didnt they are all sinners) If you are asking show me good people but really you would distort them if someone did. Even without evidence you would just say that they cannot be good.
@princeofexcess And what do you define as good. IF you dont define a word then its much easier to distort it and say someone isnt really good. What does good really mean for you!
You offer normal religiaon bullshit answer: every1 are bad, so every1 need salvation, so every1 are our customer and we get everybodys money. Theres is no god is as good answer and btw, why good things happen to bad people?
@hullumarko Its true in saying that no one is perfect. We may be good but we all have faults. Sure good things happen to bad people, it happens a lot. But if you look at it at a different standpoint, what are they really gaining. They were bad and in some way inhuman. The thing that separates us from most animals is our intelligence/ conscience. Are we really helping ourselves by being ***holes. Not really. I'm sure God doesn't like to see people cheat, kill, or hurt each other. Its not right.
In the Bible, did God not say "Show me one righteous man, and I will spare an entire civilization of wicked men to save him"? (Paraphrased of course.)
God has raised Lazarus from the dead. God has restored the eyesight to the blind. God has healed the sick. God has made the lame to walk. God has healed the leper. All in the past. Today people testify about how God has healed / cured them of all manner of disease, except for pancreatic cancer, that's a 100% killer; but God has never healed the amputee. Why not? If He has / can cure as the Bible says He has / can, then why not restore the amputee limb? Cause He ain't real people. Wake UP!
so the reason why thousands of inoccent babies get rape every day and die every day is because two naked people eat a fu**ing fruit of a forbiden tree?
@enemyofall67 dude it was a really delicious apple, and god wanted it for himself. That's how i think about it;) If somebody ate your apple what would you do? kill everybody who weren't involved is always the best option
@enemyofall67 Adam and eve didn't really happen. They didn't eat some apple of wisdom. They didn't get tricked by a snake. And God didn't banish them from Eden. However Adam and Eve was not written to be believed word for word. It was written to understand the never ending hunger for knowledge that humans have. Its meant to teach us a philosophical lesson. That's not the reason babies die. Bad things just happen to people. That's the world. Sure I believe God exists. But does he cause these. No
You say - "why do bad things happen to good people?" - It seems that your -answer is that there are no good people - But Daniel can you offer us a reason for the existence of evil itself?
you idiot..you are a typical braindead christian whos only response to the biggest question facing god about why do some suffer and others not is to say.."who are the good people" tell me poster why are you not suffering like the homeless man down the street or the blind or hideously ugly and poor ? is it because god "loves" you more ?
@lasciencefan Ahh, a fellow science enthusiast like myself. However I tend to disagree. 1st brain dead should only apply to people that are high. Second if you don't agree that's fine. That's your opinion. However God doesn't make the blind man or homeless guy suffer. Ever think about it that way. Sure I believe in evolution, the big bang, and the laws of science. But I also believe in a creator, God. Still God loves every1 equal. His love is not show in wealth. It is shown in our souls.
I know plenty of good people who make the world a better place through their actions, and your god surely does not qualify as good, with all the murder he has committed. And the real answer is, because there isn't an all powerful all loving god, there is just your bronze age mythology and the fictional life of a man who never existed.
A child is born in a muslim world. Grows up muslim, learns morality and kindness towards his fellow man.... But he goes to hell cause he was born in the wrong country....
Gotta love that God playing with peoples lives like some gambling machine..
The whole world wont make it to heaven because it does not exist. Im writng down that sombody told me there are vampires on the moon and im calling it the "valmoon bible" It must be true cause god valmoon said so.
@theTRUTHgroup Not only is your video incredibly lacking in reasonable thought, your response to Nades129 is sincerely pathetic. I'm doing my best to not be rude. Infinite punishment is infinitely unjust. The fourteen-year-old who dies of cancer in central Bolivia does not deserve 20 years in torment. Let alone 1,000. And you speak of eternity of torment. This idea was created to scare people into conforming. We all know it now.
That's the thing they (muslims) don't know what true kindness is (see 1 Corinth 13). It's not just about his physical actions towards others, it's also about the person's heart, since actions are just manifestations of what's in the heart. I bet you have things in your life that you wouldn't want anyone to know. God already knows. He's watching you. Do the right thing always, and you have no problem.
Well at least you are humble enough to admit it, most people aren't. As they say in AA meetings,admitance is always the first step. Be encouraged, I am proud of you. :)
@Nades129 God doesn't gamble with people. Who knows. Probably that Muslim man will go to heaven. He was kind, a good person. Sure I'm a Christian. i believe in Jesus. But do I believe God sends all non-Christians to hell. No. Being Christian, Muslim, or any religion as a matter of fact doesn't make you good. Its how your beliefs inspire you to be the better man; to be a good person.
No. Your whole premise is off. The scriptures are full of places where God refers to his covenant people ergo "His people" ergo good people. Not good in the class of God but good nonetheless.
The point is God is a benevolent dictator. Strict obedience is mandatory. However He lets us govern ourselves and take the consequences for our actions. Otherwise He would be an unjust slave master.
@Bureyeanne God didn't exactly create all unjust dictatorship like laws. People did. Is everything in the Bible true (Do all laws make sense0. No. However God does let us govern ourselves and he is definitely not a slave master. Yes there is suffering in the world. God is loving. He is not the cause for that suffering.
Praise God! Awesome video, creative, short and to the point! I enjoyed the end, very cute! Thank you for the chuckle, I so needed it. God is good. God bless you, brother Daniel! 8^)>
@Rakly3 Masturbation I don't believe is "evil" but I do believe that the sperm should be ejaculated for pleasure with one's spouse or to create a child. No one likes a man who cums himself for fun. Truly what's the fun of jizzing yourself. However if people do then sure go ahead. But it is always better when you're living it up with one's spouse.
If evil exists then either God is incapable or unwilling to abolish it. If he's incapable then he's not omnipotent. If he's unwilling then he's malevolent.
Christian's dance around the Problem of Evil by saying God gave us freewill and with this power some of us CHOSE evil for ourselves. They think that with freewill they can lay the blame for evil entirely on people rather than God.
@snoggerforce76 No abortion is murder of an innocent child who doesn't have a voice in this world. Killing anyone even if they aren't born into this world yet is a crime. God save their souls.
according to you there are no good people so everyone should deserve bad things. so why don't you go and jump of a bridge or something like that. extreme bunjy jumping with a chain around the neck
bad things happen to good people because lifes cruel. god doesnt make the calls we do we allow kids to die in africa not god.
also heres a question if there are "evil" people then why cant there be good people? after all, all our saints were sinners. they wernt good people? you claim that were all paying for a sin that was forgiven and payed by a man that died on a cross.
A young child, goes to heaven. Why,cause he hasn't committed any crimes yet according to God's law. Yet he may have been born a sinner, yet he hasn't broken the law yet.
@nicholasweakland Sure the Bible has laws. Its sacred and great. But it was written by humans not God. We aren't perfect. We write in our own opinions. I believe that God inspired the Bible. I'm Christian. But I don't believe everything in the Bible is true.
@princeofexcess It is very sad when one hears of a child dying. You are right it happens all over the world. Starvation, disease, etc. cause the deaths of many innocent children. As much as you want to blame God, you shouldn't. God isn't the reason behind it. God may be the one who started the big bang/ creation of the universe but God can't stop every bad thing from happening. Sometimes there is no reason behind it. It just happens. God I believe is loving, not one who sends babies to hell.
@princeofexcess Is God the cause of the death of the child No!. God created humanity and the entire universe not to see innocents die. It was not his doing. It just happens. Thats life. That;s the world. Will the babies go to hell, No. God is merciful and loving. God gives them everlasting life. It is hard to think of life after death at a scientific standpoint. Its true it doesn't exist in the laws of science. But theologically it does. Science cannot exist without religion and vice versa.
@bastermaboy your best not speaking folly like of course God causes suffering and brings misery dont you know the scriptures ? he brings prosperity and disaster as for the comment that braindead should only apply to those who are high thats a cop out drugs and alcohol have been used since the beginning of time even by jesus all the prophets were smoking opium christians today are so out of touch spiritually because they are too sober and self rightous only going by a book full of contradictions
Well, for one thing, happiness is not the goal. Secondly, Christians can, because of Christ, endure trials in this world because we are looking forward to heaven, like Abraham in Hebrews 11:10. And the lost get all the good they will ever have in this world. Part of God's patient mercy toward sinners, I guess.
Also, God uses difficult times in the life of the Christian to sometimes work sins out of tour lives. Not as a punishment but as a catalyst to make us more dependent on Him.
Because a person sins doesn't mean they are bad people. If a white t-shirt has a stain on it, it is still a white t-shirt. Hereditary disease can claim or ruin a person's life, this is not because they are bad people, this is because they are pre-exposed to that specific disease. Wicked or not, that person will be afflicted with the disease which he carried in his genetic code since the beginning of his life... before he had the chance to sin.
If my child walking beside me falls and scrapes her knee, is it my fault? No, it isnt. However I WILL be there to hold her, comfort her, and guide her better... if she chooses to listen to my guidance. God never promised a perfect world. He only promised to be there should we desire him in our lives.
You're either naive or brain-washed. Horrible things happen all the time to people who have done nothing wrong. That would be enough to dispense with "God's grace", but wait- there's more! So many lousy people are successful in life! People commit crimes and are never prosecuted. People get away with murder, literally and metaphorically.
(Heed the warning or just ignore it, that's up to you.)
-As if I never heard that before from people of other religions.
(Either way, it's still going to happen.)
-You sound just as sure as the muslims and jews preaching similar messages. Maybe the differences would be how it would happen and who goes to heaven. Personally, I can care less of the christian, jew or muslim god's heaven. I also do not choose their hells either. I choose neither. So, by default, I go where I go.
-I am not choosing to pay for anything. If I inevitably pay for whatever, sin or whatnot, then that would be against my will. Such as a christian god sending me to hell because I sincerely did not want to worship him. Too bad so sad, if the christian god exists, then it should have never made me since I do not want to bow down to it.
good people are everywhere. just because the bible says if you sin once you are not good doesnt mean you're not good. use your common sense,good decent people are everywhere......perfection is nowhere....
"Be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Live up to that standard for your entire life, and you will be a good person. That means never lie, never steal, never have an impure thought, never hate, never disrespect your parents, never use God's name in vain, never covet, and always love and worship God with all your heart, soul, and mind from birth till death. Then you can say your a good person.
Also, I appreciate some of the hard times I've gone through. If i didn't have those things happen, I would have continued on with my pointless way that I was living. God loved me too much to let me stay that way. Sometimes it's our on stupidity why we suffer, sometimes the stupidity of others, and sometimes it's to build our character and make us better. Either way, God weeps when we suffer. Just like you get sad when your kids do stupid things, yet you love them enough to discipline them
Wow "baltusd" you are a bit angry. Everyone likes to use the children in Africa as an argument. I've got news for you, they are happier than you know..as a matter of fact, what is your point besides the snake venom in your type? Sometimes you just have to do what you are told and have faith. Then the hatred in your heart will go away!
Even when you act good, there's still the matter o your heart. Only God knew Ghandi's heart. Whether you hate someone or go through the action of murder, it's still evil.
The idea isn't "why bad things happen to good people," it's "why do bad things happen to those who don't deserve it." Job might be an interesting point.
Lets make something clear, there is no such thing as an innocent child, woman, man or anything. Romans 3:9-20 makes it more than clear "non are rightous, not one."
Why do bad things happen to animals. are we any better than them after all they are without sin.Lets stop thinking we are victims and realize that life is full of color and good and bad are just two colors.
I don't think you did it on purpose, but you still haven't answered the core question. The wording allows a clever way to avoid the real issues after all: why does a loving God allow suffering? Why does He permit pain? How can He be an embodiment of love when He allows bad things to happen, even to bad people? Doesn't He love them too, if He is all loving?
So basically what Dan is saying is that if your grandfathers is a rapist before he had your father you are a rapist. (Adam and Eve sinned you so you were born a sinner).
How many good things would it take to become a good person? Well, according to your childish logic one good deed would make you good, just as one evil deed makes you evil.
But even if we, for the sake of argument, assume that there are no good people.. Then the question would simply be: why do bad things happen at all if god is all loving? Watching you apologists wiggle around, trying to dodge every pointed question that comes your way is quite amusing. But it's getting old, honestly.
Okay, so with your claim that "sinning only hurts us in the end", means the ethical nature of our actions on earth, whether moral or immoral, have no relation to any good or bad events we encounter at any point in our lives?
If you agree with this, which you most likely do because there really isn't any other way to understand it, there really isn't a need for this video, rather just a video covering 'why bad things happen at all'.
Right, I totally agree, the consequences have nothing to do with a moral/immoral value assigned to the action. They are just a product of having engaged in a certain type of behavior or action, independently of whether god warned against them or not.
So, with the proposition that god doesn't interfere with humans on earth based on their righteousness, then he doesn't punish the immoral or help the moral because hurting/helping would violate the notion that "sinning only hurts in the end"
However, by making that claim, and admitting that god doesn't interfere with humans based on their righteousness; then just as god doesn't harm bad people on earth, god doesn't intervene on the behalf of good people. Like answering prayers or doing miracles, etc...
Oh yeah I forgot, you've been taught to believe all people are filthy sinners who need to be saved. Reality means different things to different people. That is your reality, not mine. People won't realize that beliefs are just that (they are learned) that doesn't make them real. So anyone who acts like it's their beliefs over anyone elses is the real fool.
Its okay, despite having suffered a lifetime of arbitrary suffering for almost no reason which was also a plan that god designed specifically with me in mind, I will be able to go to heaven and sing eternal praises to that same figure. Even better he did it all because he loved me.
Any system that allows for a god to inflict a lifetime of arbitrary torture and suffering that culminates with an eternity of unending servitude because of love --- is a MORALLY BANKRUPT system.
I don't think god is punishing me. But, to just let things happen to people even if they have done almost nothing wrong - since god is omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent - then he is certainly not all of those things. In which case, that being would not be god anymore.
'almost' nothing wrong? That's funny. Here's the deal. Your mom tells you not to touch the stove because it's hot. So, you disobey and touch it anyway and burn yourself. Do you get mad at your mom and blame her? No. It's your fault. God created us and he knows what we should and shouldn't do. We need to listen to him. God knows best. Stop touching the stove.
No, and at what point did I ever blame anything on my "mom" (an analogy you started, but its cool we'll roll with it)? Your allowed to address the real question at any time.
Using the logic of your video - the scenerio I described is permissable because any amount of sin, no matter how small, could still result in any amount of consequence.
It sounds like you're confusing judgment with consequences.
The consequence of sin is along the lines of...
kill a man, get sent to prison.
The judgment of sin is more like...
sin makes you unholy and therefore separated from God, so you must pay for your sins by being taken out of his presence. (His presence includes love, comfort, joy, etc...)
(That's why hell is so bad.)
The only way to escape this sentence is to let Jesus take care of it for you.
I'm not confusing the two at all. Actually, consequences are the direct result of judgment (going to prison entails that someone/something judged a crime and assign an appropriate punishment). By touching the stove once, one becomes unholy/separated/out of god's presence. The solitary action causes the seperation which "opens the floodgates" of possible consequences.
Right, I can accept those terms in this context and I appreciate the clearing-up. However, in relation to what you said in this video about "why bad things happen to good people" the initial action STILL allows for any consequence because any initial sin causes the unholy seperation. Nothing you said changes that, and in reality, you proved my point.
Wow, so under this logic even a person that only committed one small, tiny, minuscule sin is still eligible for a lifetime of pain, torture, suffering, neglect, etc. etc. etc.
Simple, we are all born sinfull, you don't have to teach a todeller to steal, lie etc, rather to do good usually going AGAINST there nature. Ever told a lie etc? That's all it takes in Gods eyes, none of us are good but it's the grace and mercy of God that he gave his son Jesus to take our punnishment if you would only accept him and follow. He won't force you because he loves you, and love requires free will otherwise it's rape, and free will means CONSEQUENCE, these days often bad sadly.
I believe you are totally right, however, this isn't the only reason. Sometimes God uses difficulties to teach us something; patience, empathy, humility, anger management, discipline, etc... Very rarely do we learn much during the easy days, it is the difficult ones that we gain wisdom from.
I don't believe that there are bad people, just people that make bad choices. Your reasoning that bad things happen to good people because they sin is flawed if you consider Job's suffering, the story of the blind man in John 9, and especially Jesus' crucifixion. Consider your reasoning on a human level: would it be okay for a father to make his children's lives miserable just because they chose to live lives that he didn't agree with? That's essentially what god does to sinners.
I myself don't actually look at it in those terms, I was just making sure I understood your philosophy.
In my opinion they are simply products of their environment. They will grow up learning the consequences of both scenarios, and it will affect them accordingly.
why is that an either/or proposition? It seems to me that children are taught to lie, just as they are taught to behave: because there are consequences that they would rather avoid if they do otherwise. Before they are exposed to the consequences, children often speak truth, even when it is socially unacceptable to do so.
How am I not a good person? You know nothing about me other than the fact that I don't believe in god. I honestly don't know how you can be happy when every morning you wake up with the belief that you're a bad person and that you're never going to measure up to god's standards, no matter how much you repent. Personally, that was reason enough for me to give up my belief in the Judeo-Christian god; it just made me feel crappier about myself than I really needed to feel.
Wow, I can't believe that you just used the no true Scottsman falacy. Actually, I probably shouldn't be surprised since you take life advice from people that thought that the Earth was flat.
Your faulty logic didn't make me mad, it amused me. My parents raised me as a Seventh-Day Adventist, I got baptized when I was twelve, I was always arguing against abiogenesis, evolution, and cosmology, and I've only been an Atheist for about two years now. You seem to think that no true Christian would critically examine their beliefs as I did, but if you never put your faith to the test, how do you know that it's any good?
You seem to believe that people can either accept your brand of Christianity and be right or accept anything else and be wrong. How are you so sure that when you die you won't be reincarnated as a cockroach? How do you know that the Egyptian demon Ammit won't eat your heart or that you won't freeze for eternity in the icy Norse realm of Hel? When you understand why you dismiss all other religions, then you'll understand why I dismiss all things supernatural.
I accept the truth of Christianity because of the reality of it's claims & the validity of God's word much in the same way as I accept that 2 plus 2 equals 4.
When presented with all of these other 'brands' of belief, like 2 plus 2 equaling 538, it's obviously wrong and quite ignorant.
When you know the truth, non-truth becomes pretty easy to spot.
Systems of existential beliefs are not mathematical equations; if they were, then everyone would be able to see what the correct answer was because math is the one form of communication that everyone considers universal. One of the biggest reasons why I rejected religion is because there are so many religions out there rather than just one. If Christianity really is the universal truth that you believe it to be, then it would be the only religion in existence.
Why do bad things happen to good trees? A little helpless tree as pretty as can be gets a disease and dies. Why??? Lightning strikes a perfectly good, majestic tree. How can this be? What is the explanation? Probably a good study of what causes disease and what causes lightning would go a long way to explain this. When nuts like Pat Robertson expain human tragety as God punishing behavior, it makes me sick. Study what creates hurricanes, earthquakes.... and stop the superstitious crap!!!
carloz1 4 months ago
GREAT VIDEO
TheJosh1111111111111 4 months ago
If you don't deserve it, then it's happening for a reason. See my Videos.
MrFall2006 8 months ago
Once we develop personal believes because of what we were thought or what we noticed we develop mechanisms to keep those believes even if they arent true. Either by denial, which means you simply do not notice things that are against your believes (for example atheist comments that arent rude but nice, if you believe all atheists are arrogant mean ppl) or by distortion meaning you explain the event (like this atheist is not being sincerely nice he just pretends to be to convert me)
princeofexcess 11 months ago
@princeofexcess With this reasoning for you there are no good people because you deny their existence (simply do not notice good people) and when you do notice good people you distort it (well they arent really good they did something in their life that was bad its impossible that they didnt they are all sinners) If you are asking show me good people but really you would distort them if someone did. Even without evidence you would just say that they cannot be good.
princeofexcess 11 months ago
@princeofexcess And what do you define as good. IF you dont define a word then its much easier to distort it and say someone isnt really good. What does good really mean for you!
princeofexcess 11 months ago
You offer normal religiaon bullshit answer: every1 are bad, so every1 need salvation, so every1 are our customer and we get everybodys money. Theres is no god is as good answer and btw, why good things happen to bad people?
hullumarko 1 year ago
@hullumarko Its true in saying that no one is perfect. We may be good but we all have faults. Sure good things happen to bad people, it happens a lot. But if you look at it at a different standpoint, what are they really gaining. They were bad and in some way inhuman. The thing that separates us from most animals is our intelligence/ conscience. Are we really helping ourselves by being ***holes. Not really. I'm sure God doesn't like to see people cheat, kill, or hurt each other. Its not right.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
is this a joke?
spankyxc0re 1 year ago
@spankyxc0re No this is life. This is one man's view. As much as you hate/ disagree with it or agree with it, its still his view. Its not a joke.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
In the Bible, did God not say "Show me one righteous man, and I will spare an entire civilization of wicked men to save him"? (Paraphrased of course.)
RocknForJesus 1 year ago
God has raised Lazarus from the dead. God has restored the eyesight to the blind. God has healed the sick. God has made the lame to walk. God has healed the leper. All in the past. Today people testify about how God has healed / cured them of all manner of disease, except for pancreatic cancer, that's a 100% killer; but God has never healed the amputee. Why not? If He has / can cure as the Bible says He has / can, then why not restore the amputee limb? Cause He ain't real people. Wake UP!
SpartanCaver 1 year ago
@SpartanCaver finally somebody who isn't a complete morron ;)
dhcboi 1 year ago
@SpartanCaver
Where is your proof that God hasn't done this?
theTRUTHgroup 1 year ago
so the reason why thousands of inoccent babies get rape every day and die every day is because two naked people eat a fu**ing fruit of a forbiden tree?
enemyofall67 1 year ago
@enemyofall67 dude it was a really delicious apple, and god wanted it for himself. That's how i think about it;) If somebody ate your apple what would you do? kill everybody who weren't involved is always the best option
dhcboi 1 year ago
@enemyofall67 Adam and eve didn't really happen. They didn't eat some apple of wisdom. They didn't get tricked by a snake. And God didn't banish them from Eden. However Adam and Eve was not written to be believed word for word. It was written to understand the never ending hunger for knowledge that humans have. Its meant to teach us a philosophical lesson. That's not the reason babies die. Bad things just happen to people. That's the world. Sure I believe God exists. But does he cause these. No
bastermaboy 11 months ago
You're a moron
GreatHowlStudios 1 year ago
Somewhere in the Bible it talks about putting more tests on the saints because they will get their reward in heaven which is eternity.
MsDezzyzRayz 1 year ago
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You pose the question - "Why do bad things happen to good people" and it seems that your answer is that there are no good people.
But Daniel can you offer us a reason for the existence of evil itself. Why are there evil people??
TheSaviouroftheworld 1 year ago
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You say - "why do bad things happen to good people?" - It seems that your -answer is that there are no good people - But Daniel can you offer us a reason for the existence of evil itself?
TheSaviouroftheworld 1 year ago
Evil exists because God created it.
Isaiah 45:7 ~ I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
The knowledge of good and the knowledge of evil come from one tree.
1 Samuel 19:9 ~ And the evil spirit from the LORD was upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his javelin in his hand: and David played with his hand.
Amos 3:6 ~ shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?
God will take responsibility for his own creation!
scamjet2200 1 year ago
what a bunch of bull crap
twentyinchsoul 1 year ago
@twentyinchsoul No bull crap is actually bull crap. This is a video. Not shit. Don't get confused with what's in the toilet.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
No this isn't bull crap. Bull crap is bull crap. This is a video. Don't get mistaken.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
@twentyinchsoul This isn't bull crap. Bull crap is bull crap. This is a video.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
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lasciencefan 1 year ago
you idiot..you are a typical braindead christian whos only response to the biggest question facing god about why do some suffer and others not is to say.."who are the good people" tell me poster why are you not suffering like the homeless man down the street or the blind or hideously ugly and poor ? is it because god "loves" you more ?
lasciencefan 1 year ago
@lasciencefan Ahh, a fellow science enthusiast like myself. However I tend to disagree. 1st brain dead should only apply to people that are high. Second if you don't agree that's fine. That's your opinion. However God doesn't make the blind man or homeless guy suffer. Ever think about it that way. Sure I believe in evolution, the big bang, and the laws of science. But I also believe in a creator, God. Still God loves every1 equal. His love is not show in wealth. It is shown in our souls.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
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lasciencefan 1 year ago
I know plenty of good people who make the world a better place through their actions, and your god surely does not qualify as good, with all the murder he has committed. And the real answer is, because there isn't an all powerful all loving god, there is just your bronze age mythology and the fictional life of a man who never existed.
Dudeamis 1 year ago
You don't know ANY good people.
theTRUTHgroup 1 year ago
@theTRUTHgroup
have any facts to support this statement?
Dudeamis 1 year ago
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lasciencefan 1 year ago
.....really? that's the argument? ....Really? Although, I do have to say, I haven't heard that one before. Bravo, learned something new.
Sp33dee0hsix 2 years ago
A child is born in a muslim world. Grows up muslim, learns morality and kindness towards his fellow man.... But he goes to hell cause he was born in the wrong country....
Gotta love that God playing with peoples lives like some gambling machine..
Nades129 2 years ago
Nope, he goes to hell because he has to pay for his own sins.
That's the alternative to letting Jesus do it for you.
It has nothing to do with Geography.
You'll be surprised at how many Americans won't make it to heaven, either.
This is one thing that doesn't depend on location, location, location.
theTRUTHgroup 2 years ago
theTruthgroup....very well said!
slimjenkins 2 years ago
The whole world wont make it to heaven because it does not exist. Im writng down that sombody told me there are vampires on the moon and im calling it the "valmoon bible" It must be true cause god valmoon said so.
wesleysonic 2 years ago
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lasciencefan 1 year ago
@theTRUTHgroup Not only is your video incredibly lacking in reasonable thought, your response to Nades129 is sincerely pathetic. I'm doing my best to not be rude. Infinite punishment is infinitely unjust. The fourteen-year-old who dies of cancer in central Bolivia does not deserve 20 years in torment. Let alone 1,000. And you speak of eternity of torment. This idea was created to scare people into conforming. We all know it now.
steveodom 1 year ago
That's the thing they (muslims) don't know what true kindness is (see 1 Corinth 13). It's not just about his physical actions towards others, it's also about the person's heart, since actions are just manifestations of what's in the heart. I bet you have things in your life that you wouldn't want anyone to know. God already knows. He's watching you. Do the right thing always, and you have no problem.
Shoots1978 2 years ago
Thought crimes, I'm guilty of that. But who isn't. Let God judge me, I couldn't care less, my "heart" is sinful and proud out of it.
Nades129 2 years ago
Well at least you are humble enough to admit it, most people aren't. As they say in AA meetings,admitance is always the first step. Be encouraged, I am proud of you. :)
Shoots1978 2 years ago
@Nades129 God doesn't gamble with people. Who knows. Probably that Muslim man will go to heaven. He was kind, a good person. Sure I'm a Christian. i believe in Jesus. But do I believe God sends all non-Christians to hell. No. Being Christian, Muslim, or any religion as a matter of fact doesn't make you good. Its how your beliefs inspire you to be the better man; to be a good person.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
so its all a punishment?
niinja2 2 years ago
No. Your whole premise is off. The scriptures are full of places where God refers to his covenant people ergo "His people" ergo good people. Not good in the class of God but good nonetheless.
The point is God is a benevolent dictator. Strict obedience is mandatory. However He lets us govern ourselves and take the consequences for our actions. Otherwise He would be an unjust slave master.
Bureyeanne 2 years ago
@Bureyeanne God didn't exactly create all unjust dictatorship like laws. People did. Is everything in the Bible true (Do all laws make sense0. No. However God does let us govern ourselves and he is definitely not a slave master. Yes there is suffering in the world. God is loving. He is not the cause for that suffering.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
@bastermaboy I agree.
Bureyeanne 11 months ago
Praise God! Awesome video, creative, short and to the point! I enjoyed the end, very cute! Thank you for the chuckle, I so needed it. God is good. God bless you, brother Daniel! 8^)>
netta2158 2 years ago
lol
FriendOregon 2 years ago
So your god created the first humans from dirt with the inability to understand what they were doing and then holds it against them for all eternity?
Count me out.
HumanStrategy 2 years ago
they knew they shouldn't have eaten from the fruit...he told them not to. they didn't listen.
they knew eating from the fruit it would cause them pain. again they didn't listen.
so yes, they knew right from wrong.
playful360 2 years ago
Good and evil is subjective. Some (many) find masturbation 'evil'. While it's perfectly normal.
Rakly3 2 years ago
@Rakly3 Masturbation I don't believe is "evil" but I do believe that the sperm should be ejaculated for pleasure with one's spouse or to create a child. No one likes a man who cums himself for fun. Truly what's the fun of jizzing yourself. However if people do then sure go ahead. But it is always better when you're living it up with one's spouse.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
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The Problem of Evil:
If evil exists then either God is incapable or unwilling to abolish it. If he's incapable then he's not omnipotent. If he's unwilling then he's malevolent.
Christian's dance around the Problem of Evil by saying God gave us freewill and with this power some of us CHOSE evil for ourselves. They think that with freewill they can lay the blame for evil entirely on people rather than God.
NearVSMello 2 years ago
If there is an all powerful, all knowing,all loving creator god of the universe... why is there no sign of him?
athywren 2 years ago
it's called faith.
faith is not needing physical proof.
it's in your heart and soul and gut that he is there and the proof is what or how you deal with life.
playful360 2 years ago
so abortion is good then?
since the aborted go straight to heaven without having the chance to sin and displease god?
oh
wait
snoggerforce76 2 years ago
@snoggerforce76 No abortion is murder of an innocent child who doesn't have a voice in this world. Killing anyone even if they aren't born into this world yet is a crime. God save their souls.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
What about babies? Are babies bad? If babies are bad, are they bad from conception?
Zaimoren 2 years ago
This is the best troll ever.
Stonewallboy 2 years ago
according to you there are no good people so everyone should deserve bad things. so why don't you go and jump of a bridge or something like that. extreme bunjy jumping with a chain around the neck
SteilAmSeil 2 years ago
Because, through Christ, I don't get what I deserve.
That's the beauty of God's love.
It's available for you as well.
theTRUTHgroup 2 years ago
Cool video.
yoyoboy70 2 years ago
you've lived a decent life. you do not understand anything outside of the boarders of your own community. you are nothing and understand nothing
spopko 2 years ago
bad things happen to good people because lifes cruel. god doesnt make the calls we do we allow kids to die in africa not god.
also heres a question if there are "evil" people then why cant there be good people? after all, all our saints were sinners. they wernt good people? you claim that were all paying for a sin that was forgiven and payed by a man that died on a cross.
treetheoak 2 years ago 8
how about a child that is just born and dies right away
how about a child that is born and starves to death within a month
what has it done wrong ??
princeofexcess 2 years ago 3
it didn't do anything wrong..
LOLFunny687 2 years ago
How do you know that the baby didn't do anything wrong? Maybe it's bad stuff that only god can see with his god eyes, yeah?
Zaimoren 2 years ago
yet that child can still go to hell according to the bible
nicholasweakland 2 years ago
A young child, goes to heaven. Why,cause he hasn't committed any crimes yet according to God's law. Yet he may have been born a sinner, yet he hasn't broken the law yet.
Shoots1978 2 years ago 2
@nicholasweakland Sure the Bible has laws. Its sacred and great. But it was written by humans not God. We aren't perfect. We write in our own opinions. I believe that God inspired the Bible. I'm Christian. But I don't believe everything in the Bible is true.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
@princeofexcess It is very sad when one hears of a child dying. You are right it happens all over the world. Starvation, disease, etc. cause the deaths of many innocent children. As much as you want to blame God, you shouldn't. God isn't the reason behind it. God may be the one who started the big bang/ creation of the universe but God can't stop every bad thing from happening. Sometimes there is no reason behind it. It just happens. God I believe is loving, not one who sends babies to hell.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
@bastermaboy if things can happen with no reason behind it, then why does big bang have reason behind it?
princeofexcess 11 months ago
@princeofexcess Is God the cause of the death of the child No!. God created humanity and the entire universe not to see innocents die. It was not his doing. It just happens. Thats life. That;s the world. Will the babies go to hell, No. God is merciful and loving. God gives them everlasting life. It is hard to think of life after death at a scientific standpoint. Its true it doesn't exist in the laws of science. But theologically it does. Science cannot exist without religion and vice versa.
bastermaboy 11 months ago
@bastermaboy your best not speaking folly like of course God causes suffering and brings misery dont you know the scriptures ? he brings prosperity and disaster as for the comment that braindead should only apply to those who are high thats a cop out drugs and alcohol have been used since the beginning of time even by jesus all the prophets were smoking opium christians today are so out of touch spiritually because they are too sober and self rightous only going by a book full of contradictions
lasciencefan 11 months ago
Well, for one thing, happiness is not the goal. Secondly, Christians can, because of Christ, endure trials in this world because we are looking forward to heaven, like Abraham in Hebrews 11:10. And the lost get all the good they will ever have in this world. Part of God's patient mercy toward sinners, I guess.
Also, God uses difficult times in the life of the Christian to sometimes work sins out of tour lives. Not as a punishment but as a catalyst to make us more dependent on Him.
my4kidsmom 2 years ago
Because a person sins doesn't mean they are bad people. If a white t-shirt has a stain on it, it is still a white t-shirt. Hereditary disease can claim or ruin a person's life, this is not because they are bad people, this is because they are pre-exposed to that specific disease. Wicked or not, that person will be afflicted with the disease which he carried in his genetic code since the beginning of his life... before he had the chance to sin.
jedillama9 2 years ago
Actually we are all born with sin.
pancho3495 2 years ago
If my child walking beside me falls and scrapes her knee, is it my fault? No, it isnt. However I WILL be there to hold her, comfort her, and guide her better... if she chooses to listen to my guidance. God never promised a perfect world. He only promised to be there should we desire him in our lives.
CatzEyes93 2 years ago 2
Without law, we all judge ourselves as good people.
With the law we understand we are not always good people.
With GOD's law we find we are ALL as fithy rags and that there is no way we can earn the purity needed to stand before a holy God.
With Jesus, we are made right with God and can become whole, dispite the fact that the law originally condemned us.
Moral of the story, no one can earn their right to sit beside God. It is through faith we are brought right with God.
CatzEyes93 2 years ago
You're either naive or brain-washed. Horrible things happen all the time to people who have done nothing wrong. That would be enough to dispense with "God's grace", but wait- there's more! So many lousy people are successful in life! People commit crimes and are never prosecuted. People get away with murder, literally and metaphorically.
drumrnva 2 years ago
Nobody will ULTIMATELY get away with anything.
EVERYONE will have to give an account of their life.
theTRUTHgroup 2 years ago
(Nobody will ULTIMATELY get away with anything.
EVERYONE will have to give an account of their life.)
- How would they give an account of their life? What is suppose to happen?
Hollenthon2468 2 years ago
The Judgment.
See 'Step 2' at theTRUTHgroup(dot)com for more details.
theTRUTHgroup 2 years ago
(The Judgment)
-And this is suppose to be important how?
Hollenthon2468 2 years ago
Heed the warning or just ignore it, that's up to you.
Either way, it's still going to happen.
theTRUTHgroup 2 years ago
(Heed the warning or just ignore it, that's up to you.)
-As if I never heard that before from people of other religions.
(Either way, it's still going to happen.)
-You sound just as sure as the muslims and jews preaching similar messages. Maybe the differences would be how it would happen and who goes to heaven. Personally, I can care less of the christian, jew or muslim god's heaven. I also do not choose their hells either. I choose neither. So, by default, I go where I go.
Hollenthon2468 2 years ago
Then you are choosing to pay for your own sin.
That's fine.
Have fun.
theTRUTHgroup 2 years ago
(Then you are choosing to pay for your own sin.
That's fine.
Have fun.)
-I am not choosing to pay for anything. If I inevitably pay for whatever, sin or whatnot, then that would be against my will. Such as a christian god sending me to hell because I sincerely did not want to worship him. Too bad so sad, if the christian god exists, then it should have never made me since I do not want to bow down to it.
Hollenthon2468 2 years ago
Well, I guess SOMEbody had to be left at the end to shake their fists at Him when He comes back to judge the earth.
Believer or not, you'll be fulfilling God's will, one way or the other.
It's too bad you want to be on the wrong team, though.
Like I said, "Have fun with that."
theTRUTHgroup 2 years ago
(Well, I guess SOMEbody had to be left at the end to shake their fists at Him when He comes back to judge the earth.)
-And those people can shake their fists all they want, because "He" is supposedly a god and can do anything, so it wouldn't matter anyways, right?
(Believer or not, you'll be fulfilling God's will, one way or the other.)
-Ok
(It's too bad you want to be on the wrong team, though.
Like I said,Have fun with that.)
-I'm not choosing. By default you accuse me of.
Hollenthon2468 2 years ago
You amuse me.
For someone who CLAIMS to not believe what I have to say, you sure do work yourself up over it quite a bit.
I finished the conversation about 3 comments ago and yet you still keep responding...
I wonder why that is?
theTRUTHgroup 2 years ago
(You amuse me.)
-Glad I could help.
(For someone who CLAIMS to not believe what I have to say, you sure do work yourself up over it quite a bit.)
-Did I claim I didn't believe what you say? I don't recall making such a claim. Maybe you made it for me and then blaming it on me.
( I finished the conversation about 3 comments ago and yet you still keep responding...)
-Oh you did? I must have missed the "conversation finished" sign back there.
Hollenthon2468 2 years ago
good people are everywhere. just because the bible says if you sin once you are not good doesnt mean you're not good. use your common sense,good decent people are everywhere......perfection is nowhere....
icandodgebullets86 2 years ago
"Be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect." Live up to that standard for your entire life, and you will be a good person. That means never lie, never steal, never have an impure thought, never hate, never disrespect your parents, never use God's name in vain, never covet, and always love and worship God with all your heart, soul, and mind from birth till death. Then you can say your a good person.
dkreichen1968 2 years ago
Also, I appreciate some of the hard times I've gone through. If i didn't have those things happen, I would have continued on with my pointless way that I was living. God loved me too much to let me stay that way. Sometimes it's our on stupidity why we suffer, sometimes the stupidity of others, and sometimes it's to build our character and make us better. Either way, God weeps when we suffer. Just like you get sad when your kids do stupid things, yet you love them enough to discipline them
inthelight7771 2 years ago
Wow "baltusd" you are a bit angry. Everyone likes to use the children in Africa as an argument. I've got news for you, they are happier than you know..as a matter of fact, what is your point besides the snake venom in your type? Sometimes you just have to do what you are told and have faith. Then the hatred in your heart will go away!
ZunSuperGirl 2 years ago
Everybody gets a chance to be good.
And, they ALL fail!
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Idiot. "show me good people"
I think he was calle Ghandi.
God's an ass.
Why dont children in Africa get the chanse to be good ? Ignorand f
baltusd 3 years ago
Even when you act good, there's still the matter o your heart. Only God knew Ghandi's heart. Whether you hate someone or go through the action of murder, it's still evil.
inthelight7771 2 years ago
LOVE IT! "Show me good people"
nlspears02 3 years ago
The idea isn't "why bad things happen to good people," it's "why do bad things happen to those who don't deserve it." Job might be an interesting point.
rucha58 3 years ago
A better question would be, why did god kill children that had not sinned? 1 Samuel 15:3
circlekloser 3 years ago
Lets make something clear, there is no such thing as an innocent child, woman, man or anything. Romans 3:9-20 makes it more than clear "non are rightous, not one."
Exodus314IAM 3 years ago
Also, "circlekloser", the Bible says that we are born sinful.
cadborasaurus 3 years ago
all i got from this is that you are saying that all people are bad? becase you said that no one is good so hummm ya...lol
bigdaddypanda17 3 years ago 2
YES no ONE is GOOD
tHE ONLY WAY TO BE GOOD IS TO BE PERFECT
BECAUSE GOOD IS PERFECTION
GOOD WAS THERE FIRST
AND ANYTHING THAT LACKS GOOD IS EVIL
SAME AS THERE WAS THE TRUTH AND A LACK OF THE TRUTH IS A LIE
aND THEN THERE FIRST WAS LOVE
AND ANY LACK OF LOVE IS SIMPLY
Hate
libbyandtai 3 years ago 2
never thaugh of it like that before... thakns.
7Yeshua7Lives7 3 years ago
Why do bad things happen to animals. are we any better than them after all they are without sin.Lets stop thinking we are victims and realize that life is full of color and good and bad are just two colors.
Allgregory 3 years ago
The animals are part of the creation.
Their suffering is a direct result of man's sin, just like every other bad thing that happens in this physical realm.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Yaaay finally someone who understands!!
KnGproduction 3 years ago
Because life is random. Simple.
Vitomanz 3 years ago
will their is a devil
crunchytrid 3 years ago
I don't think you did it on purpose, but you still haven't answered the core question. The wording allows a clever way to avoid the real issues after all: why does a loving God allow suffering? Why does He permit pain? How can He be an embodiment of love when He allows bad things to happen, even to bad people? Doesn't He love them too, if He is all loving?
FoxRowanNJ 3 years ago
You're right, that's a good question.
Hopefully, I'll post a video about it in the next week.
So, stay tuned.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
P.S. I want your shirt!! ;)
KristinaLovesJesus 3 years ago
That was well said!! :) I think you've made me laugh out loud in just about every video I've seen of yours lol
KristinaLovesJesus 3 years ago
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Daniel! :)
lovejesusplz 3 years ago
So basically what Dan is saying is that if your grandfathers is a rapist before he had your father you are a rapist. (Adam and Eve sinned you so you were born a sinner).
Childish idiocy? I thinks so.
atmac17 3 years ago
atmac tell me your joking, did you miss the whole concept?
hoops056 3 years ago
How many good things would it take to become a good person? Well, according to your childish logic one good deed would make you good, just as one evil deed makes you evil.
But even if we, for the sake of argument, assume that there are no good people.. Then the question would simply be: why do bad things happen at all if god is all loving? Watching you apologists wiggle around, trying to dodge every pointed question that comes your way is quite amusing. But it's getting old, honestly.
pallevader 3 years ago
So, 'why do bad things happen at all'?
That's a good idea.
I suppose I'll have to make a video about that one, too.
Thanks.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
So, is that how your going to resolve the issue? Just make a new video on a different topic.
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
Well, I already answered 'why bad things happen to good people'.
So, now I can answer 'why bad things happen at all'?
Sounds reasonable to me.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Okay, so with your claim that "sinning only hurts us in the end", means the ethical nature of our actions on earth, whether moral or immoral, have no relation to any good or bad events we encounter at any point in our lives?
If you agree with this, which you most likely do because there really isn't any other way to understand it, there really isn't a need for this video, rather just a video covering 'why bad things happen at all'.
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
People reap what they sow.
God doesn't need to smack someone down for committing murder, they'll reap their own consequences.
When people get involved in fornication, they usually get very interesting diseases. God doesn't need to 'zap' them.
It's the same if you don't wash your hands after handling dead things or not taking care of your bathroom waste...
Do you rebel against God's law on these things as well?
He knows what He's talking about.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Right, I totally agree, the consequences have nothing to do with a moral/immoral value assigned to the action. They are just a product of having engaged in a certain type of behavior or action, independently of whether god warned against them or not.
So, with the proposition that god doesn't interfere with humans on earth based on their righteousness, then he doesn't punish the immoral or help the moral because hurting/helping would violate the notion that "sinning only hurts in the end"
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
However, by making that claim, and admitting that god doesn't interfere with humans based on their righteousness; then just as god doesn't harm bad people on earth, god doesn't intervene on the behalf of good people. Like answering prayers or doing miracles, etc...
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
We've already established that there are NO good people.
Whenever God chooses to intervene in a situation, it's according to His grace & mercy.
It doesn't hinge on our worthiness.
Because none of us is worthy.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Okay, the whole original sin thing. I will be looking forward to the next video. Thnaks.
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
That's a gross overexaggeration, if you haven't met any good people in your life you've been living under a rock.
TheFragile89 3 years ago 3
Then you, my friend, don't agree with the Bible or reality.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Oh yeah I forgot, you've been taught to believe all people are filthy sinners who need to be saved. Reality means different things to different people. That is your reality, not mine. People won't realize that beliefs are just that (they are learned) that doesn't make them real. So anyone who acts like it's their beliefs over anyone elses is the real fool.
TheFragile89 3 years ago 2
Fool hath said in his heart: "there is no God".
Dont be a fool.
God's existence is SO easy to prove.
watch?v=RQTALEIMRKY
Nacluw 3 years ago
"for all have sinned, all fall short of the Glory of God."
God says "be perfect for I am perfect" perfect means good. God is telling us to be good. God wouldn't tell us to be good if we were perfect people.
7Yeshua7Lives7 3 years ago
Amen. RIGHT ON!
VersatileMind4Christ 3 years ago
TAXES - ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
bigwhammyRocks 3 years ago
Its okay, despite having suffered a lifetime of arbitrary suffering for almost no reason which was also a plan that god designed specifically with me in mind, I will be able to go to heaven and sing eternal praises to that same figure. Even better he did it all because he loved me.
Any system that allows for a god to inflict a lifetime of arbitrary torture and suffering that culminates with an eternity of unending servitude because of love --- is a MORALLY BANKRUPT system.
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
What makes you think God is punishing you?
John 10:10 is the plumbline of the whole Bible.
Check it out.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
I don't think god is punishing me. But, to just let things happen to people even if they have done almost nothing wrong - since god is omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent - then he is certainly not all of those things. In which case, that being would not be god anymore.
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Well, that response in no way deals with the "almost nothing wrong" argument.
Through the logic of your own video, I can make the analogy that:
Mom told me not to touch the hot stove.
I wanted to touch it to see how hot it was, so I touched it.
Upon touching it, my skin caught on fire and lead to 3rd degree burns over 99% of my body.
I lived the rest of my life suffering and disfigured because I touched the stove when I was six.
I only had to touch it once.
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
...so, now it's okay to blame your mom?
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
No, and at what point did I ever blame anything on my "mom" (an analogy you started, but its cool we'll roll with it)? Your allowed to address the real question at any time.
Using the logic of your video - the scenerio I described is permissable because any amount of sin, no matter how small, could still result in any amount of consequence.
This is acceptable, right?
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
It sounds like you're confusing judgment with consequences.
The consequence of sin is along the lines of...
kill a man, get sent to prison.
The judgment of sin is more like...
sin makes you unholy and therefore separated from God, so you must pay for your sins by being taken out of his presence. (His presence includes love, comfort, joy, etc...)
(That's why hell is so bad.)
The only way to escape this sentence is to let Jesus take care of it for you.
It's a good deal.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
I'm not confusing the two at all. Actually, consequences are the direct result of judgment (going to prison entails that someone/something judged a crime and assign an appropriate punishment). By touching the stove once, one becomes unholy/separated/out of god's presence. The solitary action causes the seperation which "opens the floodgates" of possible consequences.
So it is acceptable?
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
No, actually consequences are not the direct result of judgment.
I used a bad analogy.
The consequence of touching the stove, you get burned.
Play with knives, you get cut.
There's always a consequence for sin even if you don't get caught...
lie a little here, steal a little there, kill, fornicate, blaspheme, etc...
Sinning only hurts us in the end.
Even eating pork is not healthy.
God knows what he's doing.
Judgment is more closely related to the prison sentence scenario. Only, it's eternal.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Right, I can accept those terms in this context and I appreciate the clearing-up. However, in relation to what you said in this video about "why bad things happen to good people" the initial action STILL allows for any consequence because any initial sin causes the unholy seperation. Nothing you said changes that, and in reality, you proved my point.
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
Very Simple... :)
Fusion840 3 years ago
Wow, so under this logic even a person that only committed one small, tiny, minuscule sin is still eligible for a lifetime of pain, torture, suffering, neglect, etc. etc. etc.
lazyconquistador 3 years ago
nobody have committing 1 small thing.
jesusLostChildren777 3 years ago
ya, Good things happen to bad people. Me for example, I deserve Hell, all do, but I don't have to go there. Praise God!
"But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8)
God bless,
EnderGate 3 years ago
Simple, we are all born sinfull, you don't have to teach a todeller to steal, lie etc, rather to do good usually going AGAINST there nature. Ever told a lie etc? That's all it takes in Gods eyes, none of us are good but it's the grace and mercy of God that he gave his son Jesus to take our punnishment if you would only accept him and follow. He won't force you because he loves you, and love requires free will otherwise it's rape, and free will means CONSEQUENCE, these days often bad sadly.
sparkshot 3 years ago
You said the words right out of my mouth daniel!
Nobody is good. We are all sinners, and we all need forgiveness. People need to understand that.
drybomber5 3 years ago
READ Genesis 1:26-1:31
"God saw all that he had made, and it was very good." -Genesis 1:31
dackjaniels555 3 years ago
I believe you are totally right, however, this isn't the only reason. Sometimes God uses difficulties to teach us something; patience, empathy, humility, anger management, discipline, etc... Very rarely do we learn much during the easy days, it is the difficult ones that we gain wisdom from.
kristea0337 3 years ago
I don't believe that there are bad people, just people that make bad choices. Your reasoning that bad things happen to good people because they sin is flawed if you consider Job's suffering, the story of the blind man in John 9, and especially Jesus' crucifixion. Consider your reasoning on a human level: would it be okay for a father to make his children's lives miserable just because they chose to live lives that he didn't agree with? That's essentially what god does to sinners.
muterabbit 3 years ago
This isn't MY reasoning.
I just read 10 verses of scripture.
What you don't agree with is the Bible & the truth it proclaims.
Trust me on this one...
you're not a good person.
You know this to be true so why do you fight it?
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Wow, you're a trip man.
So according to your theory, that would mean that every small child is born wicked and is a bad person right out of the gate, right?
ogjimkenobi 3 years ago
Are you proposing that children have to be taught to lie and be selfish?
Or, do they rather need to be taught to obey and behave?
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
I myself don't actually look at it in those terms, I was just making sure I understood your philosophy.
In my opinion they are simply products of their environment. They will grow up learning the consequences of both scenarios, and it will affect them accordingly.
ogjimkenobi 3 years ago
Children have to be taught everything because they're basically born as blank slates. I would think that would be obvious, but whatever.
muterabbit 3 years ago
why is that an either/or proposition? It seems to me that children are taught to lie, just as they are taught to behave: because there are consequences that they would rather avoid if they do otherwise. Before they are exposed to the consequences, children often speak truth, even when it is socially unacceptable to do so.
Carnife 3 years ago
How am I not a good person? You know nothing about me other than the fact that I don't believe in god. I honestly don't know how you can be happy when every morning you wake up with the belief that you're a bad person and that you're never going to measure up to god's standards, no matter how much you repent. Personally, that was reason enough for me to give up my belief in the Judeo-Christian god; it just made me feel crappier about myself than I really needed to feel.
muterabbit 3 years ago
That's because you were never truly a Christian and therefor, not saved.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Wow, I can't believe that you just used the no true Scottsman falacy. Actually, I probably shouldn't be surprised since you take life advice from people that thought that the Earth was flat.
muterabbit 3 years ago
I don't care if you're Scottish or a flat-earther...
It's obvious that you don't know anything about God, much less ever had an intimate relationship with him.
So, don't get mad at me for pointing out the truth.
I'm just the messenger.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Your faulty logic didn't make me mad, it amused me. My parents raised me as a Seventh-Day Adventist, I got baptized when I was twelve, I was always arguing against abiogenesis, evolution, and cosmology, and I've only been an Atheist for about two years now. You seem to think that no true Christian would critically examine their beliefs as I did, but if you never put your faith to the test, how do you know that it's any good?
muterabbit 3 years ago
It was the challenging of things that led me to become a Christian.
The admission that you were a 7th Dayer proves my claim that you were never a true Christian.
I would challenge you to continue to challenge your beliefs because, right now, you're way off base.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
You seem to believe that people can either accept your brand of Christianity and be right or accept anything else and be wrong. How are you so sure that when you die you won't be reincarnated as a cockroach? How do you know that the Egyptian demon Ammit won't eat your heart or that you won't freeze for eternity in the icy Norse realm of Hel? When you understand why you dismiss all other religions, then you'll understand why I dismiss all things supernatural.
muterabbit 3 years ago
I accept the truth of Christianity because of the reality of it's claims & the validity of God's word much in the same way as I accept that 2 plus 2 equals 4.
When presented with all of these other 'brands' of belief, like 2 plus 2 equaling 538, it's obviously wrong and quite ignorant.
When you know the truth, non-truth becomes pretty easy to spot.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Systems of existential beliefs are not mathematical equations; if they were, then everyone would be able to see what the correct answer was because math is the one form of communication that everyone considers universal. One of the biggest reasons why I rejected religion is because there are so many religions out there rather than just one. If Christianity really is the universal truth that you believe it to be, then it would be the only religion in existence.
muterabbit 3 years ago