psychiatry - a fake? a fraud? a crime...

[ghostwrangler64]

jhuffman2424, yes, I am sure that your arrogance, information bias, and con firmation bias will enable you to bully amd intimidate many of your future patients into allowing you to control their health care and poison them with experimental drugs and therapy. Hooray for bullies! Right?

[jhuffman2424]

Nice try dude, but if you actually took a psychology course, you would know that Woundt is in fact credited as being the father of the principles that founded psychiatry. I don't blame you for your uneducated attempt to discredit me, Wikipedia is often a bad source of info.

[jhuffman2424]

Wow, it's unbelievable that public opinion is still as far behind times as is apparent from a number of the comments here! I am a psychology major and I can clear a number of things up here. 1)Psychology has been around since the times of Plato. 2) Psychiatry is accredited to Wundt. 3) Psychiatrists are psychologists who have been through med school. 4) If you buy into this psychology "conspiracy theory" bull, I'll likely be seeing you in the future to help you with your mental instability!

[sudyma]

@jhuffman2424 i wonder where you´ve made your master in psych. did you buy it online?! wundt has nothing to do with psychiatry. he was a neurologist and taught physiology and is the founder of experimental psychology.

psychiatris are "specialized physicians (doctors), adepts of the mechanistic model of the human being. psycholpgist share the "ganzheitsmodell". go back to school buddy.

indeed, you are rightwho is far behind everything is you with your stupid comment.

[smartblonde07]

This all happened @ a time when psych'l disorders were not seen the way they r 2day. Back in the 60s & 70s, ya, ppl's illnesses were seen as somehow "wrong." But 2 now say that the field of psychiatry is backwards is ITSELF clinging 2 an old way of thinking. Now, u r taught from the beginning not 2 JUDGE a patient's delusions. But there is STILL a need 2 help those whose way of thinking is destructive towards themselves/others. Further demonizing & stigmatizing psychiatry is not helping anyone.

[amytriptalene]

I love the guy who decided to do this!!! ive wondered a million times what would happen if people tried this! x

[a930601ndy]

@amytriptalene I did this myself! I'm never going back there again.

[MexicanJudge]

Fuck psychiatry... go for psychology :)

[TaimaDjinn]

@MexicanJudge One comes from the other, so they are both stupid.

[MexicanJudge]

@TaimaDjinn No dude... psychology comes from psychiatry BUT the main difference is that psychiatry doesn't solve shit!! Psychology does ;) and I can bet my ass every single psychologist(sp?) is against psychiatry.

[MexicanJudge]

@MexicanJudge ... except for conductists maybe..

[TaimaDjinn]

@MexicanJudge No, man, this isn't like "chicken or the egg," or anything like that: psychology gave birth to psychiatry, they both make patently superficial observations about everything because they are not able to to view things from a biological perspective.

[MexicanJudge]

@TaimaDjinn Yes.. there may be a lot of retards in it just like there is a lot of murderers in common medicine or corrupt politicians!! But it's structure is by itself correct... (just for psychology... effen psychiatry :@), although this SCIENCE is relatively(sp?) new and has to go trough discoveries and mistakes! "If someone has never made a mistake, he's never done anything" (Albert. E.)

[MexicanJudge]

@MexicanJudge And... it was actually born as psychiatry with the good ol' Wilhelm Wundt in.... Germany I think..

[sigmunds1]

Psychiatry could be a fraud but the money it generates is REAL. go figure

[roottherm01]

ALL HAIL ROSENHAN

[scarletfever72]

Am I really the first person in 2 years to post a response ?!! guess psychiatry vids aren't as popular as they used to be, a good aid to the UK A and AS level psychology course. It demonstrates how fraught with pitfalls osychiatry used to be in the USA in the 1970 / 80's. Some would argue that it hasn't changed much over 20 years, as of May 25th1010

[startxxx1991]

Hahahahahahahahaha... 41 fakes :)

been there.... felt that...

most psychiatrists are brutal criminals!

[raksallad]

fkk the snakes of the govermant,,,,,,,, they control your ass... your their slave.... if you dont like it do something aboutr it......

[redcomet2010]

well played dr Rosenhan lol

[GypsyLifeForMe]

i really like this video. does anyone have more like this? thanks!

[boostah27]

HELLLOOO THEY LIED.

[photo986]

In the late 50's the CIA had a secret brainwashing program code named MKUltra. They paid a Dr Cameron in Montreal to carry it out. He injected LSD mixed with other drugs, Massive electric shocks and weeks of sleep as a brainwash tape played. I am telling my story on You Tube called youkilledyourmother

[GreenSociety42O]

a psychiatrist once said to me "if you fuck with us, we're gonna fuck with you"

[dairyking887]

I'm sympathetic to criticisms of psychiatry. Heck, I've criticized it myself heavily many times. But it's not a "fake" science. It's an imperfect science, like all science. Biologically-based mental illness is real. I'm living truth of that. I've had an anxiety disorder all of my life. I've tried every non-pharmaceutical approach possible, but the only thing that really helps me is medication. I wish that it weren't true. But it is.

[nageljeuk]

If that's a proof, then a drug that causes you to commit suicide is a proof of that the will to live is insanity. We all know that drugs can alter the functions of the brain. The problem with 'insane' is trying to make hard that certain functioning is 'wrong' or 'not how it's supposed to be', and that's pretty easy to say of the minority. Take homosexuality and now paedophilia is starting to repeat the story. Psychiatry isn't a science, it's a method of chemical forced assimilation.

[unassumption]

True... psychology is a science, as biology is a science, yet psychiatry, like medicine, is not a science but the practice of science. If these people wern't dealt with by psychiatry the law would deal with them. Institutions are used less frequently now than in the past perhaps due to experiments like this. The problem of corporate influence and side-effects from addictive drugs applies equally to medicine. Problems in psychiatry are a symptomatic of society's wider problems.

[nageljeuk]

I'm not sure if I would like to go as far as calling psychology a science though. The problem with psychology is that _a lot_ of it's claims are effectively not falsifiable and come down to being a self fulfilling prophecy. A lot of things psychology claims and people like to accept are effectively aesthetic reasoning and certainly not proven via scientific experiment.

[unassumption]

I suppose, i havn't studdied psychology before so I can't make a real judgment but from what i've seen the various schools are more like competing philosophies than scientific theories, with different ways of looking at the whole thing. Some aspects of psychology are clearly scientific but as this study demonstrates there is a huge ammount of subjectivity involved as we can only know other people's subjective states from their descriptions, and objective behavior only takes us so far.

[nageljeuk]

I concur, but the discipline as a whole is far from a science. But then again, even Scientology has some scientifically correct deduction at some part.

[unassumption]

well scientology would have to say something true by chance somewhere.... I think those aspects which don't deal with subjective states, or with states that lead to observable behavior, are scientific. The subjective states may be as close to scientific as we can come; psychiatry is less scientific than psychology in my opinion, as it adds an ethical component and is directed around subjective states, but it could still help people and is better than letting the law (mis)treat the 'insane'.

[yourboyken]

o really, just try taking l-theanine, gaba vitamins and you will probably calm down and there is much more!

[jinzouningen5000]

The Witch of Endor that is!

[jinzouningen5000]

Seeing a psychiatrist and psychologist is just like the time when Saul consulted with a witch as mentioned in 1 Samuel 28:3-25.

[gangurobitch]

Oooh, a snuff film!

[carsmasher]

Does anyone know the documentry the scene of the woman recieving shock therapy comes from? I have seen another brief clip of the same video. Does anyone know where I can find the whole video?

[freakishdish]

try to be original instead of copy and paste

[torontostablaguy]

everyone, please read Robert Spitzer's (1976) critique on the Rosenhan study in Arch Gen Psychiatry and also read Rosenhan's original article on his study

[medmatic]

Please go to Yahoo and type in "Horrible Truth About Psychiatric Drugs" to see a research paper exposing these drugs. Also so the search "Documented Proof Psychiatric Drugs Shorten Lifespan". Be sure to include the quotes. You will learn information no psychiatrist will tell you. These drugs destroy fertility and libido and cause impotence and extream disphoria and obesity. The promote suicide and violence not prevent it.

[int3rl0per]

..oh please.

I've been on Efexor - before being prescribed it, my shrink told me that there have been a few deaths due to heart failure in patients taking the drug, and that the main dangers of it are serotonin shock, dangerously high blood pressure and loss of coordination, and that I'd very likely suffer reduced sexual function and intrest, as well as develop symptoms such as headaches as a side-effect.

I took the drug. It fixed my serotonin and noradrenaline deficiency. (continued...)

[int3rl0per]

I did suffer most of the irritating but not directly dangerous side-effects mentioned, as well as occasional "shocks" through my nervous system. This became a lot worse when, after a year or so, I started to wean off the drug.

Thing is, I took it knowing the risks, and after having read the leaflet that came with it, which listed a lot of other (possibly fatal) side-effects. Informing the patient of the reprecussions of medication is a doctor's duty where I come from.

[AnarchistInTheUK]

your right they do do all those things but they're not designed for the long term they aim to stabilize until a proper treatment can be given like psychoanalysis also look up person centered therapy its a very humane approach

[igorkrupitsky]

Richard Feynman, the Nobel Prize physicist, once tried to challenge an Army psychiatrist. In retaliation, the psychiatrist diagnosed Feynman to be insane... Later, in his Caltech commencement address, Feynman called psychiatry the Cargo Cult Science.

[SAJ0129]

I DONT LIKE PSYCHIATRY

[kinkgut]

we all have a delta sense that defines who that is completely conscious

[kevowb]

I'm sorry but you can all say there's no such thing as mental illness when someone you know and love has one - my grandfather was schizophrenic and I promise you if it wasn't for medication his condition would have impaired his quality of life to a serious extent. I know this because at times he would be convinced it was fine to stop taking his medication and for me as a fairly young child at the time, it was troubling to see him suffering.

[richchmarr]

1. Pathology doesn't work that way. There are no essential diseases. If something of a physical or psychological nature hinders someone in living a normal/comfortable life, it's considered a illness. Nothing more, nothing less. So yes, there are mental illnesses.

2. There is scientific evidence for mental illnesses.

3. Psychiatrists have a reason to exist as they don't have anything to do with the study of mental illnesses, but the treatment of them.

[ccdanro]

1. an illness is an impairment of normal physiological function affecting part or all of an organism ... your definition is completely made up'

2. no, there isn't... you won't find a single "mental illness" in scientific journal like science or nature...

3. that's plain nonsense

[richchmarr]

1. Exactly. That's why if most people had schizophrenia, it would no longer be considered a illness, as it would be the norm. There is not a single, essential thing to define a illness, as it relies on blurry terms like "impairment". Just look at all the classifying manuals like the DSM or the ICD. Everyone of them lists diseases that specifically require a significant impairment to be present to be considered pathological. Without pain, no disease.

2. There is. Just read a bit about Serotonin.

[ccdanro]

1. No. An illness is a verifiable physical modifiction of a normal organism. Psychiatrists never proved such modifications.

They only interpret external input like statements from "patients", relatives, etc.

2. LOL! Serotonin is a neurotransmitter and it doesn't prove the existence of any "mental illness." It's like claiming that a type of blood proves the existence of countless diseases.. this is hilarious! :D

[richchmarr]

1. That's the joke. Define "modification", because used in the typical sense this would mean that the effects of evolution, medical assistence aso would be diseases.

2. Serotonin can affect many human psychological attributes. Think again.

@draziom99

Yes, because that's all they could do for many diseases. The only reason for this is that the human psyche is a lot more complex than the human biology. Otherwise you would have to argue that in the pre-medical age no biological diseases existed.

[AnarchistInTheUK]

1. there are physical modifications as symptoms of mental disorders Schizophrenic patients when given an MRI scan have enlarged ventricles in the brain

2.Low levels of serotonin coupled with low levels of noradrenaline have been linked to depression in postmortem's most patients are found to have low levels of serotonin in the brain and there's proof of this with the drug resperine used to treat hyper tension because it lowers serotonin and noradrenaline and most users show depressive symptoms

[adinahwithkaden]

If something hinders someone from living a normal/comfortable life, it could be considered a disability. But is it a MEDICAL PROBLEM?

And furthermore, who gets to define a "normal/comfortable life"?

[deptsd]

check out- psychiatry an industry of death

[insanitygonemad]

the irony is, scientologists are more in need of psychiatric help than anyone else. either that, or they need rehab for their crack addiction, not sure which.

[EmilyGreene1984]

The truth is that scientologists are lying, cheating, murderous, extortionists who believe in the lies of an ego-maniac (Ron Hubbard) and tout their cult as a genuine religion. Genuine trash is more like it.

[camsquishjelly]

Well, you may be accurately describing the leaders of Scientology, but the followers are generally just unintelligent victims.

And would you please tell us what exactly defines a 'genuine religion'

[thefrontline23]

our governments treat us the same

[revolutionaryluddite]

I trust Adam Curtis and the BBC as far as I can throw them (as I hope any reasonable person her does), but this is disturbing. It's also completely true. Props for posting it.

[3buttiesandapie]

The video is not completely correct as the patients also claimed to be hearing the words hollow and empty as these would resemble an existential belief (belief in the meaninglessness of life)

[3buttiesandapie]

i think your wrong to say this as it is undesputable that some peoples mental states cause them and others disstress.

i would say however that there is very little to clearly destinguise the sain from the insane they are more opposite ends of a spectrum

[niemanickurwa]

can someone tell me where to find the full documentary on this it's facinating. personally i very much believe in mental illness to varing degrees and the potential to cure them. However i also believe that much of current psychiatry is ignorantly diagnosed and treated. any help with the full doc would be greatly appriciated. thks for the post

[molyneux1000]

Google video. The documentry is by Adam Curtis.

[Rodrigoandnietzsche]

tks mate

[molyneux1000]

Google video. The documentry is by Adam Curtis.

[niemanickurwa]

tks mate

[midnightgardner]

Boy things have changed... The irony now is that if you actually want help for a psychiatric condition, it's not that easy to get, unless you're independently wealthy.

[molyneux1000]

Try telling that to the thousands of people who are currently locked up in psychiatric institutions revieving 'help' against their will. By help I mean forced drugging and Electro Shock.

[midnightgardner]

How can I get into that program? I've been trying to get more agressive treatment for my depression, but I'm having major insurance problems. I would be very interested in free treatment options. Please provide contact info in Massachusetts.

[camsquishjelly]

Depression isn't a disorder.

It's a product of living in our current world.

If you're living in this world and you're not depressed, that is when you should be concerned.

[disseminator88008]

hehe, thats kind of poetic. i like it, but i dont think it is actually necessary to be depressed regardless of the environment, if you are trying your hardest to improve the world and minimize the people that are destroying it then by getting your true priorities in order- as opposed to materialistic desires etc- you will handle any depression instantly and permanently.

[AnarchistInTheUK]

u heard of care in the community there aren't any psychological institutions at least not in the Uk except for the criminally insane but you have to actually kill someone to go in one of those

[molyneux1000]

That's not true although I do admit 'bed spaces' are decresing.

[AnarchistInTheUK]

either way psychology is not as rigid and orthodox as it once was. I m a psychology student and we get taught this study and we have to criticize everything we learn as well as learn it plus with better treatments like REBT id say psychology is helping too many people to be a pseudo-science

[molyneux1000]

You've initiated a straw man argument, for this discussion is debating psychiatry not psychology (although I do have many gripes about the successes of psychology in the treatment of mental distress).

[AnarchistInTheUK]

they're intertwined anyway

[EmilyGreene1984]

Here, here.

[maxij23]

All is about sex... To be healthy like FREUD all people should be gay thinking all the time how to get their ass stretched. Freud fulled the world of fake pshychological shit from his gay ass... (and I say all this shit cause I wasnt alive when he was.. and.. I feel a sexual frustration about no having anal sex with him... this is what my psychologist told me)

[arcanesugar]

draziom99: psychiatry in fact has made great strides in identifying genes that contribute to a number of mental illnesses such as schizophrenia, bi-polar, etc. Mental illness IS a disease. People don't fake or choose being sick. It is an awful affliction.

[death2theNWO]

Freud said skizophrenia was a natural reaction to an unnatural environment, meaning going crazy in a crazy world is only a natural reaction.

[CaesarAugustus1234]

Because psychology can't have progressed since the early 1900's

[alexoidztube]

There have been many leaps in developments since Freud, who was obsessed with sex! Schizophrenia is not a "natural reaction" it's a very nasty illness. Unless you think hearing voices and extreme paranoia is natural.

MRI and PET scans have shown some physical damage to the brains of schizophrenics.

My step brother suffers from this illness- I know just how bad it can be.

[molyneux1000]

Damage?!? Like actual atrophy of tissue. Could you please reference that comment.

Anyway, although the brains of 'Schizophrenics' may be 'different' that proves little about the cause. For example, they taught some people how to juggle and took various brain scans before and after teaching these individuals. They found that the brains had changed in size and form.

[camsquishjelly]

"Freud said skizophrenia was a natural reaction to an unnatural environment, meaning going crazy in a crazy world is only a natural reaction."

I completely agree.

Maybe Freud had some brains afterall.

.

[jojoclown777]

"Freud said skizophrenia was a natural reaction to an unnatural environment"

No, that was Laing. Freud had brains, just not at psychology. His forte was sociology.

[jojoclown777]

Also relevant is Frankl: "An abnormal reaction to an abnormal situation is normal behavior."

[alexoidztube]

You can waste many hours replying to draziom99- don't wast your time, I fear the COS has him in their control freakery grip.

[Jdevoy1]

either way, I think you'll find that the programme this is taken from doesn't actually disapprove that their are such conditions as Schizophrenia. It just that the modern world is prepared to view any form of weirdness and depression as a break down in mental health. Schizophrenia is a nasty break down in mental control, but being depressed about in not being hot, or not paying attention in class is hardly a form of mental illness, yet hell they have drugs to cure those aliments.

[adinahwithkaden]

The onus is not on people to "disprove" Schizophrenia. The onus is on people to prove it.

I do believe Schizophrenia exists (Schizophrenia just being a collection of symptoms), the question for me becomes, is it a medical problem? Is it best solved through medical means?

If it is a medical problem, where is the proof? Where is the brain scan (there is none) where is the blood test? (there is none). What kind of results have 60 years of the biomedical model achieved? (none)

[kevinneslund]

Just the simple fact that someone would have to feel compelled to even use the phrase "medical model" of ANY so-called "mental illness" is the tip-off. Would you ever expect to hear a medical practicioner use the phrase "medical model" of leukemia, or any other real disease? of course not. The very thought is preposterous. These ARE actual diseases. A mere child can grasp this. Sadly, delusional psychiatrists/psychologists and their ilk somehow manage not to. Go figure.

[sarwrductfan]

@kevinneslund medical model is another phraseology for " established standard of practice" and" protocols for making the determination" see also "established criteria" Hope this helps.

[kevinneslund]

@sarwrductfan : You can't possibly expect for someone to understand this can you? No. "Medical model" is precisely what it sounds like when applied to a mental illness -- preposterous. FYI: The reason the term is used "medical model" is because they want you to regard it (mental disorders/diseases) AS IF they were actual medical diseases. This is universally recognized within the field. Didn't you know that?

[alphanight1]

Cool! When did this happen? Could you supply me your information on this?

[molyneux1000]

I hate people like you who 'big up' psychiatrists. Psyhe: Soul, Itros: Physician. Physician of the soul. The Psychiatrist haven't found anything, it's the neurologist finding these things. If they find that the cause of mental illness is neurological in nature then there'll be no need for psychiartist. For neurological problems you see a neurologist!!!!!!!!

[adinahwithkaden]

Very true. It really IS that simple.

When they didn't know the organic pathology of syphillis-induced dementia, it was handled by psychiatrists. Once they determined, the PHYSICAL, biological abnormality of it, it was handed over to neurologists.

[kevinneslund]

Thank you for succinctly putting this into words that are easily understood. It's actually very simple to understand isn't it?

[sudyma]

to maintain the balance between the requests of the society and the self can turn into a difficult task. I believe the most important thing is NOT TO BETRAY YOUR SELF. don`t let anyone turn you around...break you...BE YOURSELF.

[eyesor3]

@sudyma Sorry to pop the bubble but that's pretty easy to speak out. We, that work with these people know that all comes down to a delicate balance btw nature and nurture.

Good and important advice, no matter!

[Jeffluvs80s]

The difference between my sanity or insanity?

Easy, Xanax.

[SFJane]

do you love yourself?

[Jeffluvs80s]

yes

[zlyoga]

thanks for posting

[newscast]

great video, add more tags so more people can see!

[sudyma]

right! thanx for the advice. I did!!!

[CustomOne]

I love this video... really makes you think about what is "normal" and who can determine it