@shurednichso america is not a democracy all a democracy is a state where 51% of the people can take away the rights of 49% america is a republic where we have ceartin rights which no gov or person can take away from any american no matter what these are the bill of rights. and its time we take back are republic
Uch, dude. If you just would stop to repeat this halftruths . That would please me alot.
So first: Republic = Res Publica, which is latin and means something like property of the people. (Democracy ; greekfor:Reign of the people)
A real Republic is ALLWAYS a democracy. Without that it is simply not.
And who said,that it is enough in a democracy to have 51% to dismiss the other 49's opinion?? Are we on the stock-market? What they teached you is utter crap,mate.
@shurednichso so what your saying is that if the congress and senate got a majority vote to do away with the bill of rights it would be okay cause we are a democracy. no what the republic means is that no matter what the majority votes for they still can not take away the rights that are founding fathers put down for all men no matter what. we need these rights to live free with out them we will be slaves. yes there is a democratic aspect to the republic but only so far.
No ,thats not what im saying and if you would forget all the bullox you got teached by the media and your history teacher, then you would see,that i ment "reign of the people" means real democracy and not a corrupt parlamentary system.
@shurednichso i agree you with you but also read the constitution article 4 section 4 and no iam not just listening to my history teacher or the media. read the constitution
Im on your side people, the stuff I hate from the US is the imperialism. And for all those rednecks or retards that only watch the news and care for only them I just have to say fuck you
Given a choice between Wall Street looters and protesters defecating in the street, throwing rocks at police and chanting "F—k the USA," most people will choose Wall Street.
ROFL... peep the guy in the middle of the shot at 0:46 then /watch?v=L-GdIQ35KCM How many more of these pseudo bohemian hipster posers are down there in the mob? I agree in principle with *some* of what they are saying.. but when the message is fronted by douchebags living off their "trust fund" while playing hippie in the park... sorry, it loses a good chunk of its credibility in my eyes.
I do not need a group of well-meaning but misguided people to make decisions over my property. A republic defends my God-given rights, while a democracy seeks out to violate them. And elites use the disenfranchised to soak the middle class, which is the only thing standing in their way in taking more power and control over us. Direct democracy is socialism is disguise- and we do not need anymore anti-freedom control freaks to lord over us.
Pure Democracy turns into Mob rule and then a police state takes over .We need an honest money system and to defend the rights of those that have no power.As citizens all people are responsible for their actions and suffer the liabilities that go along with poor choices.Corporate Charters were written by lawyers with the intent to limit liability of persons involved in these enterprises.That needs to be changed so criminals can't hide behind these entities and defraud the public.
If anyone has a question about a specific person or thing, you can search my videos on my channel page. Use the search box under the RepresentativePress banner.
I wonder what type of response the protesters are expecting, and from who specifically? They don't seem to have any concrete demands (something Bill Clinton has pointed out). I've seen over a hundred different hand-held signs, all with completely different messages.
we gave GM $49.5 BILLION in '08. In '10 GM publishes "The GM Bailout: Paid Back in Full," in the WSJ. This is what OWS detractors misleadingly claim is an example of TARP being paid back.
What it REALLY means is the Obama handed GM only $6.7 (7%) billion as a pure loan; the rest of the bailout money was transferred to GM through the purchase of 60.8 percent equity stake in the company.
When GM claims it paid back the bailout money in full, they mean ONLY the $6.7 billion loan amount.
BUT GM, which hasn't yet broken even, much less turned a profit, can't pay even this puny amount from ITS OWN earnings. turns out, Obama put $13.4 billion of the aid money as "working capital" in an escrow account when GM was in bankruptcy. GM is USING THE ESCROW $ (OUR $) to pay US back. Why?
Because GM has applied to the Department of Energy for $10 billion in low interest (5%) loan to retool its plants to meet the government's tougher new CAFÉ (Corp Average Fuel Economy) standards. Cont'd
Since giving GM more taxpayer $ on top of the bailout would've been political disaster for Obama & a PR debacle for the GM, paying back the small bailout loan (with our $) makes the new, bigger DOE loan more feasible.
GM is using government money to pay back government money to get more government money. And at a 2 percent lower interest rate at that. This is a scheme to refinance GM's government debt (from 7 to 5%) not pay it back! THIS IS REAL WELFARE. Don't be fooled by corp shills' LIES.
@TurboFuss1 of course. ALL the crooks who took the corp welfare "bailout" and now claim they've "repaid the tarp funds with interest" have done a lot of fancy accounting tricks (with the help of the gov't) in order to move numbers around.
it isn't so hard to find when people want to look for it. the trolls commenting that these people don't know what they're protesting are either shills or ignorant fools.
Why is Ron Paul the ONLY major candidate who has pledged to bring all troops home NOW? Because he has no "empathy"? Puhhleez. He is a man of honor and courage who has been preaching the same message of peace and prosperity for decades. I'm sorry for you socialists he's not pro big government, but would you rather have big government and war or no war and small government? Try to use your brain.
I will not support socialistic movements, I believe this is why they have yet to define their intentions, Waiting for the socialism or request or govt expansions, any day now.
They started at the beginning, an seemed to shut up when few agreed with them.
At least it's not about drugs like Woodstock. I love political movements as they will lead to great things for the next generation. As Winston Churchill was once attributed to saying "To be young and liberal is to be young, to be old and liberal is to be a fool.". This speaks nothing of the goodness or badness of liberalism, but more to the fact that as we age, we become tempered by our experiences, many of which lead us to skepticism.
Um this is bullshit... Im mad how they are just know starting to protest when blacks latinos asians native americans samons and lower/working class whites have been dealing with the same problems for generations! There caouse is universal bull simplistic!There are far worse cases of poverty and in justice throughout the world some taking place in the U.S. struggles people have fouhgt killed and died for! Until they understand the gravity of this message they will never be taken serious...
WHO STARTED OCCUPY WALL STREET? WHO PLANNED IT? WHO IS PAYING FOR THE MARKETING FIRM, THE NEWSPAPERS, THE FLYERS? WHAT ROLE DID SEIU PLAY? WHO ARE STEPHEN LEARNER AND VAN JONES? WHAT IS THE CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS? WHO IS GEORGE SOROS? WHAT IS HIS RELATIONSHIP TO CAP? IS HE A CRONY CAPITALIST? DOES HE PAY HIS FAIR SHARE? IS HE GETTING RICH OFF THE CORRUPT SYSTEM OF WALL STREET SPECULATION? HOW DOES HE MAKE HIS MONEY? HE MADE $7 BILLION LAST YEAR THROUGH HIS HEDGE FUND AND INVESTMENTS.
This is one reason why I will not attend one of these goofy rallies- I don't like to be a sheep. That's exactly why I decided to not join College Democrats at Mizzou after I found out just how sheepish everyone was there and how they would simply just parrot the Democratic platform and work to get fellow Dems elected, rather than QUESTIONanything.
The "general assembly" method just sounds like a bunch of people shouting to me. Do they even hold VOTES or tallies of each decision? Even Congress only does "vote by shouting" BEFORE they decide to have a vote or something of that nature, not shouting with the ACTUAL votes on legislation.
There's a reason the Founders spoke out against that. It's called "tyranny of the majority" and tends to lead to mob rule. It may SOUND GOOD when some special interests seem to be the only ones making any gains in the political system, but in the end, it can be disastrous. Just look at Prop 8 or the dozens of other marriage amendments across the country.
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I wonder if people are retaining to what they are repeating. I could see the reason of using this method so people could hear but how much of the information actually is retained.Anyway hopefully they all having productive dialogues in regard to change.When people are capable of true dialogue then communication can make forward progress. David Bohm came up with a process for a group of people to engage in dialogue and wrote a book on the subject. His ideas could be helpful.
Announced this morning food prices going up 25%,oil and school tuition going up,
Obama's bill represents no new jobs,it continues the employment of school administrators and rehires some laid off some contract and union workers.Sharia compliant US banks : BOA and Citigroup made profits.Obama may increase troops on the ground in Africa.
Ny businesses have been forced to close due to OWS blocking and terrorizing customers.48% of illegal immigrants are on welfare.Welfare cost may hit $600b
Until people learn how to be honest with themselves about the contents of their own minds and how that flows into their actions,not much is going to change. Educating and raising awareness is a great place to start but it is essential for actions to follow ideas. I found it strange watching a youtube clip of the protest in England where Julian Assange was addressing the crowd with a loud speaker and the crowd was repeating everything he said.
"A Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. A Republic is a well armed sheep contesting the vote." Democracy is a fancy word for "mob rule". It means whoever is the majority is in complete control and enforces their views on all others. This is basically fascism. A Republic means that even a politically unpopular minority is still represented and still has a voice.
These sheeple on wallstreet just make it easier for the elites to control us
@TheFlexEffect No, I don't perpetrate any falsehoods. Problem is when I show you how Rivero & others selectively cite from their soruces – sources which say that there were no explosives in the Israel's vans.
You ignore basic facts, like the fact that the buildings were undergoing visable failures well before they collapsed.
What facts do you have that prove that your statement as above "Alex Jones is a con man." I am not an avid fan of Alex Jones but he does at times interview people whose views I agree with.Do you have any actual facts to back up this statement or are you just mouthing off?
@Julia52421 I have a video which I uploaded very recently called "9/11 Charlatans EXPOSED Denying Building 7 Damage" which features Alex Jones and answers your question about him being a con man.
@representativepress Thanks for video,I don't think it proves he is a "con man" in respect of everything.9/11 has been disputed in many ways.Personally I think it is preferable for people to focus on what is occurring around the world at present.Maybe I view 9/11 in this regard because I am not an American and do not live in the U.S.A.
@TheFlexEffect no flex, alex jones cons himself sometimes because he gets carried away with a cause that starts out good but then he gets over gung ho and closes his mind too fast on too many points while doing a great job of not closing his mind on other points. As far as representativepress, he puts alot of open minded work in on most of his points. Thats why you hate him so much. The only way you can confront him is by calling him a conman. He is only helping your realize youve been conned
A non hierarchical model in any group of people is not a new idea,I know many other well meaning groups have tried to make this work.I think it is definitely a good ideal but know from experience that this is quite difficult to maintain in large numbers of people in the long term.Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it .Change is definitely needed,many people of all ages and backgrounds are aware of this fact , it is glaringly obvious.
It's absurd that they believe their "consensus model" is something new, or that function in any real, meaningful way.
Have they, in any way, defined the rights of the individuals taking part in their movement/system? If not then it will soon collapse into a simple rule by majority, under which the minority and individuals will be enslaved.
That's why America is a Constitutional Republic, we only allow the force of democracy to go so far.
@eluminated Government isn't the only force. Private tyrannies run without regard for the public are damaging our country. The media and other corporations have done damage to us. We shouldn't allow the public discourse to be controlled by them. FOr example, they railroaded Kucinich out of his fair chance to run (ANDMORE IMPORTANTLY OUR FAIR CHANCE TO VOTE FOR HIM) When ABC new's stephanopoulos tells viewes Obama's the only top Democrat against the Iraq war from the start as KUCINICH is shown!
@eluminated What ABC new's stephanopoulos did is THEFT. Viewers tricked into thinking Obama was the only choice of the Democrats in the primary who was against the Iraq war from the start were ROBBED! Deception is THEFT. This is just one of MANY examples of abuse of power.
The united states is a constitutional republic, which is a limited democracy with a rule of law. Have you forgotten the pledge of eligence? And to the republic for wich it stands, one nation under god.
These freaks that want a pure democracy are just illiterate in history.
Wow....strangely enough, looking at the likes and dislikes, the percentage of dislikes are pretty much a small poll is a reflection of the big numbers of We The People liking and the rich satanists disliking. lol. Sic'em! Blessings to We The People!
@HuxleyWasRight ``republic the minority is protected.'' That is exactly the problem. The 1% are protected above all others in "Western" nations to the ruin of those nations. If the US "Republic" ideal is so good, then why on earth is the US in the mess it's in? At this point in time direct democracy is needed while things are still sane. When things go insane it will be too late and the mob will rule by force if necessary.
@WikeddTung I guess we're supposed to forget that RP receives the sum total of ZERO dollars from any of the major corporations ? ever ask yourself why that could be ?
How come Obama gets truck loads of dollars from banks and corporations, and Ron Paul get none at all ??
it can't be because they think RP has no chance of winning because they festoon other candidates with money whom don't have any chance whatsoever.
so again, ask yourself why RP receives nothing from banks or corporation?.
@WikeddTung that's not an adequate answer, since they also give money to other candidates who are either unelectable or very unlikely to gain the nomination.
the answer is pretty clear, they don't give him money because he would end corporate welfare and kill the monopoly men, for they cannot operate in a truly free market, only the crutch of the state holds them up.
lol. your "clear" answer is clear to you in the way that the existence of god is "clear" to those who CHOSE to believe that fairy tale. fuck off with your agenda.
GOD FUCKING DAMIT PEOPLE ....THIS IS NOT , I REPEAT NOT A DEMOCRACY IT IS A REPUBLIC ....YOU GUYS ARE FOOLS AND BRAIN DEAD AND DON'T KNOW YOUR OWN COUNTRY!!!
@DOCSAFETUBE DEMOCRACY and REPUBLIC are not contradictions. A republic is a form of democracy. devious elites started the "republic, not a democracy" meme.
@representativepress TOM -------your high on crack ...your comment is way off base , where are you getting your info????? a republic is not a form of a democracy at all!! point blank ..do your research TOM!
a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
2.
any body of persons viewed as a commonwealth.
3.
a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state.
@representativepress Do you believe that proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in California, should have been upheld on the basis that a majority voted for it?
@bluecode320 no, we still have a Constitution and rights of all should be protected. WHat gets made law is different than the domination of the public discourse about what reforms we should have or what candidates should represent us. Just because some aspects of decision making are done by direct democracy doesn't mean that it is advocacy for ripping up our Constitution. The problem is NOT that we have 'too much" democracy, the problem is people have far too little say in what government policy
An elite is meritocratic, that elite can work for good or for ill. Today's so called elites work mostly for ill, but there are some who still have a problems with the brutal means. Evil always thinks it is doing good. The rule of law is better than majority rule, because it does not split a country in two. Why isn't the OWM militating for the reimplementation of Glass-Steagall?
@Zamol "An elite is meritocratic" We need to examine that assumption. Elites have gotten to their positions because they were "talented" or were "chosen & moved ahead on the basis of their achievement" We need to question what is meant by talent & achievement. Thomas Friedman is talented at spreading bald faced lies in the service of what apparently he sees as his own & for discriminatory foreign nationalistic agenda. His writing is amateurish junk,is it talent or is it that it serves an agenda?
Those are false elites. Mainstream economic experts are inherently incompetent and criminal, whether or not they know it. They are plagued my monetarism and will dogmatically refuse any sane (humane) notion of economy in favor of esoteric ones. An elite (the most competent) can work for good or for evil. For example Albert Speer and Erasmus of Rotterdam were meritocratic (competent), the first served evil, the second served good.
@representativepress Sorry, but a republic is a representative democracy that is subject to laws. What these people are participating in is direct democracy. Direct democracy always fails. Just look at California.
@shurednichso No. Electing representatives keeps the country from eating itself alive. It also means that the majority doesn't always get what it wants, and the government doesn't have certain powers, no matter how much a majority wishes it so. If you know anything of democracy, then you know of how democracy, without control devolves into mob rule, then to a police state, then to a dictatorship. Absolute majority rule is how you end up with Iran. Plato thought democracy was evil as well.
First of all, the majority decision IS Democracy. IF the majority decides earlier to have a constitution ,that grants people certain untakable RIGHTS, then you have those outside of any later democratic decision.
OH AND PLEASE GIVE ME SOME EVIDENCE ON : direct democracy->mob rule->police state->dictatorship.
Because in every thinking mans brain these are contridictional terms of governing and society.
@shurednichso Direct democracy was the French Revolution, which brought in the Jacobins which became mob rule. In their quest to "mete out justice" for the sorry state of affairs, they created the sans-culottes who were the revolutionary guardians and police of the paris commune. Unfortunately the Jacobin leader, Robespierre removed one too many heads and was apprehended by the sans-culottes. Then came Napoleon.
@shurednichso What you are asking for: objective evidence, is impossible to dredge up because of the subjective nature of history. Secondly, the BEST that can be had would be a case-study which as we know is never enough to draw a scientific conclusion from. That being said, the same chain of events happened in Rome, and Athens. Documented by Plato, and by Virgil.
@shurednichso Right....because your cock-smoking professor probably told you all of this right? Right before he blamed your student loan on a bank, and not on the fact that your tuition keeps pace with his rising salary. I see, you're just gullible. Exposure to the real world fixes that in a few years
Iran's revolution was a mobgasm that was so disorderly, the mullahs had to take over. To protect their unpopular rule, they instituted a police state, and stripped all rights except voting from the population. Now, they mobilize the poor right before elections with social programs and have them vote for the most loyal candidate. That very manipulation of democracy is its undoing. The only public officials worth bribing are the ones that can fix your problems.
@shurednichso Peaceful revolutions don't take hostages, not 422 of them. They don't storm embassies, either. Funny how you're willing to overlook that violation of the most sacrosanct aspect of international law. Mob rule was what led to Khomeini actually coming to power.
@nickburnin8 The Iranian students were worried the CIA was going to reinstall the Shah again. And that very building was illegally used by the US to do it in 1953.
@DOCSAFETUBE Let me clarify this, yes we are a Constitutional Republic, however, that IS a representative Democracy.... BUT, what these social anarchists demand is a Direct Democracy, and it is entirely a Marxist philosophy and in nature is a dictatorship of the proletariat where majority force their will upon minority
the declaration doesn't say anything about "salaries". why invent silly bullshit instead of reading it and debating it on its actual contents? maybe because you can't?
@WikeddTung i just asked a genuine question, u dont need to be a such a dick. if ur not gonna answer my question dont bother commenting, i just dont have a clue what this movement is about.
@prednisolon one asshole's "genuine question" is another guy's "passive aggressive framing device". and i gave you the answer to your question- the declaration says NOTHING about salaries. that you assumed it did without knowing suggests something about YOUR agenda.
it's clear you're pretty clueless about a number of things. it isn't hard for most people of average intelligence to google "ows declaration" and read the thing for themselves in order to be INFORMED.
@WikeddTung you are so aggressive and have so much angry in u my friend with such an approach u shall not succeed. u just lost me, cos i will not support anyone with ur attitude and believe me; without my sympathy you have no chance to overcome. peace & love.
its a good start but shame theres so many people missing the bigger picture... asking the same government who stole tax payers money to give to failed banks/corporations to fix the problems IT caused is insane... the first thing the OWS movement NEEDs to do is work to shut down central banking, stop politicians selling their power to businesses & allow the people to control the market (free market) not governments & their corporate/banking friends.
Where's the supposed declaration? I'd like to read it.. Link is broken... and for the record, America is NOT A DIRECT DEMOCRACY, IT IS A REPUBLIC and it is for this reason there exists division. A direct democracy is DANGEROUS because majorities will force their will upon minorities.. A direct democracy is a SEVERE LOSS OF INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES and this is the reason OWS lacks unity and full support of all Americans
@AssholeBlogger hey asshole! all you have to do is google "declaration occupy nyc" and you'll get the site yourself. if that's too much for you to handle i have it copied in its entirety on my channel. all you have to do is make the effort to click on my handle. if that proves too challenging, then i'm afraid you simply don't WANT to know. which is in fact the definition of WILLFUL IGNORANCE.
it's quite creepy to hear them all say that in tandem like some kind of weird cult.
And whilst i admire their enthusiasm, they're way off target, the banks and wall street didn't bail themselves out, the corporations didn't start the wars, nor erect the police state nor start the hideous "drug war", your interactions with the banks and corporations is totally voluntary, there's nobody forcing you.The government on the other hand has the power to start the wars, bail out corps crack your skulls.
@H this is the disingenuous, phony "guns don't kill people" rational in reverse: nothing more than a way to misdirect the debate. there is no government without PEOPLE. the government isn't something that exists in a vacuum. to pretend that "corporations didn't start the wars" when former ceo of haliburton DICK CHEYNEY agitated for the war in iraq more than anyone else to the BENEFIT OF HALIBURTON is misleading. corporations giving $ to politicians is CORRUPTION. aiming at them is fair play.
@WikeddTung actually, it's interesting to note that when dick cheney was CEO of Halliburton he lobbied the clinton government to normalise relations with Iran and drop the sanctions.
@HuxleyWasRight and this is supposed to change the fact that he promoted (and continues to promote) FAKE, non-existent WMD's in order to invade iraq, from which halliburton PROFITTED?
spare me & everybody else the misdirection. no sale
@WikeddTung that was when he was IN government, dick cheney could not have started a war as CEO of Halliburton, in fact 99% of business much prefer peace than war, it's more profitable*
* of course, excluding the merhcanst of death in the military industrial complex.
MISDIRECTION & OBFUSCATION. pretending to argue that cheney wasn't TECHNICALLY employed by haliburton when he promoted, pushed for & started the iraq war is, again, disingenuous & phony.
take your straw man someplace else. i don't have to waste my time punching holes in the obvious.
@HuxleyWasRight you like straw man arguments? ok. lincoln issued greenbacks to finance the union during the civil war so that we didn't have to BORROW from banks. bush/cheyney started TWO wars without issuing currency but by BORROWING. so, could the federal reserve (PRIVATE CORPORATE BANKS) END THE WARS by stopping their financing, YES OR NO?
@AssholeBlogger lol. desperate for attention, aren't you. ok. i never said he was an EMPLOYEE. i said he was EMPLOYED. and your point does nothing to contradict mine. thanks for your 2 cents though!
i got exactly what you were doing. i'm not interested in allies who buy into the "repubic, not a democracy" koolaid. you need to clear your head. sorry asshole blog person.
@WikeddTung Koolaid? It's FACT and truth, yet you wish to ignore it. The USA is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, which is REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY and that is FACT.. You can ignore these facts all you want, but it's the goddamn truth, no ifs ands or buts about it.. You're the one drinking "koolaid" if you think otherwise... Once again proving yourself to be a MORON
@WikeddTung "I think we'd be better off if we, in fact, backed off those sanctions , didn't try to impose secondary boycotts on companies ... trying to do business over there ... and instead started to rebuild those relationships," Cheney said during a 1998 business trip to Sydney, Australia, reported by Australia's Illawarra Mercury newspaper.
At least this movement recognizes Ron Paul for the anti-human politician he is. Paul is right about bringing the troops home, but wrong on domestic issues, such as universal healthcare and Social Security. There is a bi-partisan effort in Washington to kill Soc. Security. Obama is screwing with Soc. Sec. by cutting payroll taxes. Bad idea. Bad move by Obama.
absolutely. what's brilliant about ows is that they aren't buying ANY of the bs from ANY side. they recognize paul for the pro-corporate trojan horse he is AND obama for the financial spitoon he is. if you really want to hurt someone you go for their WALLETS. these folks are taking aim right where it'll do the most good.
Thx for the clarification. Not to sound too skeptical, but ill believe it when I see it. [just think there's too much rampant corruption for solutions to be made]. but I can hope. peace.
What is considered "rich" ? Is it based on income and/or wealth ? and at what point is that, $100,000 a year job, or $200,000, $500,000 ? or is it more ? depends too on where you live, NYC @ 100,000/year is surely not "rich", while it might be in say Pickatown, Alabama. -- I thought this movement was mostly based on how the banks stole taxpayers money via threats to congress and the subsequent ongoing resulting recession/depression. please clarify.
@Gizziiusa Warren Buffet, who is "consistently ranked among the world's wealthiest people" recently wrote an article called "Stop Coddling the Super-Rich." It begins "Our leaders have asked for 'shared sacrifice.' But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched. ... while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. ..."
@Gizziiusa "I know well many of the mega-rich ... Most wouldn't mind being told to pay more in taxes as well, particularly when so many of their fellow citizens are truly suffering." - Warren Buffet
@Gizziiusa "for those making more than $1 million — there were 236,883 such households in 2009 — I would raise rates immediately on taxable income in excess of $1 million, including, of course, dividends and capital gains. And for those who make $10 million or more — there were 8,274 in 2009 — I would suggest an additional increase in rate. My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It's time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice."
This may bring about some form of "change" but has anyone taken a moment to think that those in power don't WANT to lose that power and although "change" may take place,it may not be for the better?Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't.
I appreciate what is going on here, and I think that the top 1% SHOULD be paying their dues. I just don't see this ending in a good way. To be honest I see them getting fed up with the "occupy" thing and just rolling over it with tanks.
A 'movement' is linear... it goes from 'A' to 'B'. It has a beginning & an end.
But a 'Revolution' is circular... it keeps coming back & 'refreshing' itself once in a while ("with the blood of Patriots" as someone famously once said).
I only know of one presedential candidate willing to end the wars immediately and bring all troops home and close 75% of all foreign military bases. That's not a bad place to start. Is it? Ron Paul is the only candidate worth a vote.
@slewofdamascus Ron Paul is no different than any other politician only difference is he lies better. Anyone that has been in the congress as long as he has been owes some people favors.
@HuxleyWasRight Ron Paul is just as evil as the rest of Republicans and Democrats in my opinion could I be wrong yes do I think I am NO way in hell do I think I'm wrong. We need to Abolish this government is does not work any longer for the people.
@slewofdamascus Ron Paul has a sick-minded philosophy which blinds him to or makes him indifferent to human suffering. He denies the level of suffering during the Great Depression. We don't need to go to nasty agendas like his. We must insist on MORE DEMOCRACY. the Democrats MUST hold a primary!
@representativepress "Ron Paul has a sick-minded philosophy" "We don't need to go to nasty agendas like his"
A specific example other than his opinion on matters none of us even took part in would be nice. Your entire comment was nothing but rhetoric, which is about all we seem to get out of any of the other canidates. Ron Paul's push to audit the federal reserve, stop these undeclared wars, even his overall voting record is something I happen to agree with. He's getting my vote.
@sleepyriggles you didn't like the example, what can I do? It highlights a very real denial or callousness on his part. His economic theories are ignorant. I am not willing at all to trow away decent domestic polices because he has a few narrow polices which may make things better in foreign affairs. BTW, Greenspan admitted his world view on "free markets" was wrong and you want us to be at their mercy? We are owed things after decades of propping up their system.
@representativepress you are clueless - the man is a doctor who has delivered thousands of human lives into this world, and we know he takes his oaths seriously, including the hippocratic oath. You spout total and utter propoganda, which proves the kind of person you are. How dare you. I don't doubt for a second that Ron Paul has ten times the empathy in his little finger than you do your whole body. This is a republic, not a "democracy". Democracy is too often the tyranny of the majority.
holy shit a CIA mind control experiment....:)
chiledoug 3 months ago
Collectivism, what's the difference between this and the Borg?
Human nature, though innately good, is corrupt in spirit, therefore the ideals of collectivism are corrupt.
Cienstin 4 months ago
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@Cienstin "Collectivism, what's the difference between this and the Borg"
One of them only exists in the imagination of people who like to have a demonised enemy to make them feel like the good guys.
And the other's the Borg.
ImMichaelTaylor 3 months ago
@ImMichaelTaylor Funny.
Cienstin 2 months ago
@Cienstin
Said who? You?
I dont think so. I want to live in a democracy, where people can decide what they do in their lifes and have equal chances to do so.
The rest is just bla bla of you.
shurednichso 3 months ago
@shurednichso america is not a democracy all a democracy is a state where 51% of the people can take away the rights of 49% america is a republic where we have ceartin rights which no gov or person can take away from any american no matter what these are the bill of rights. and its time we take back are republic
kskorcz 3 months ago
@kskorcz
Uch, dude. If you just would stop to repeat this halftruths . That would please me alot.
So first: Republic = Res Publica, which is latin and means something like property of the people. (Democracy ; greekfor:Reign of the people)
A real Republic is ALLWAYS a democracy. Without that it is simply not.
And who said,that it is enough in a democracy to have 51% to dismiss the other 49's opinion?? Are we on the stock-market? What they teached you is utter crap,mate.
shurednichso 3 months ago
@shurednichso so what your saying is that if the congress and senate got a majority vote to do away with the bill of rights it would be okay cause we are a democracy. no what the republic means is that no matter what the majority votes for they still can not take away the rights that are founding fathers put down for all men no matter what. we need these rights to live free with out them we will be slaves. yes there is a democratic aspect to the republic but only so far.
kskorcz 3 months ago
@kskorcz
No ,thats not what im saying and if you would forget all the bullox you got teached by the media and your history teacher, then you would see,that i ment "reign of the people" means real democracy and not a corrupt parlamentary system.
shurednichso 3 months ago
@shurednichso i agree you with you but also read the constitution article 4 section 4 and no iam not just listening to my history teacher or the media. read the constitution
kskorcz 3 months ago
@shurednichso Read Marx's early writings...
Cienstin 2 months ago
@Cienstin
As if you do know ANYTHING about Marx. Just talk about "early Marx" and Star Trek in your Conventions.
Smartassing,ignorant -.-
shurednichso 2 months ago
Fuck Zionists
OWS for the WIN!
MendingMedia 4 months ago
Im on your side people, the stuff I hate from the US is the imperialism. And for all those rednecks or retards that only watch the news and care for only them I just have to say fuck you
stupidCIAagent 4 months ago
COMMUNISTS!!!
THINKfutureShow 4 months ago
Given a choice between Wall Street looters and protesters defecating in the street, throwing rocks at police and chanting "F—k the USA," most people will choose Wall Street.
nickburnin8 4 months ago
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ROFL... peep the guy in the middle of the shot at 0:46 then /watch?v=L-GdIQ35KCM How many more of these pseudo bohemian hipster posers are down there in the mob? I agree in principle with *some* of what they are saying.. but when the message is fronted by douchebags living off their "trust fund" while playing hippie in the park... sorry, it loses a good chunk of its credibility in my eyes.
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jahscii 4 months ago
I do not need a group of well-meaning but misguided people to make decisions over my property. A republic defends my God-given rights, while a democracy seeks out to violate them. And elites use the disenfranchised to soak the middle class, which is the only thing standing in their way in taking more power and control over us. Direct democracy is socialism is disguise- and we do not need anymore anti-freedom control freaks to lord over us.
sovereignty4us 4 months ago
Pure Democracy turns into Mob rule and then a police state takes over .We need an honest money system and to defend the rights of those that have no power.As citizens all people are responsible for their actions and suffer the liabilities that go along with poor choices.Corporate Charters were written by lawyers with the intent to limit liability of persons involved in these enterprises.That needs to be changed so criminals can't hide behind these entities and defraud the public.
leiberfrasmilch 4 months ago
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representativepress 4 months ago
I wonder what type of response the protesters are expecting, and from who specifically? They don't seem to have any concrete demands (something Bill Clinton has pointed out). I've seen over a hundred different hand-held signs, all with completely different messages.
BullToTheShit 4 months ago
@BullToTheShit they're protesting wall st and the corrupt banking system. Youtube the history of the Rockefeller family. It'll make your hair curl!
drewsiboberinski 4 months ago
we gave GM $49.5 BILLION in '08. In '10 GM publishes "The GM Bailout: Paid Back in Full," in the WSJ. This is what OWS detractors misleadingly claim is an example of TARP being paid back.
What it REALLY means is the Obama handed GM only $6.7 (7%) billion as a pure loan; the rest of the bailout money was transferred to GM through the purchase of 60.8 percent equity stake in the company.
When GM claims it paid back the bailout money in full, they mean ONLY the $6.7 billion loan amount.
Cont'd...
WikeddTung 4 months ago
BUT GM, which hasn't yet broken even, much less turned a profit, can't pay even this puny amount from ITS OWN earnings. turns out, Obama put $13.4 billion of the aid money as "working capital" in an escrow account when GM was in bankruptcy. GM is USING THE ESCROW $ (OUR $) to pay US back. Why?
Because GM has applied to the Department of Energy for $10 billion in low interest (5%) loan to retool its plants to meet the government's tougher new CAFÉ (Corp Average Fuel Economy) standards. Cont'd
WikeddTung 4 months ago
Since giving GM more taxpayer $ on top of the bailout would've been political disaster for Obama & a PR debacle for the GM, paying back the small bailout loan (with our $) makes the new, bigger DOE loan more feasible.
GM is using government money to pay back government money to get more government money. And at a 2 percent lower interest rate at that. This is a scheme to refinance GM's government debt (from 7 to 5%) not pay it back! THIS IS REAL WELFARE. Don't be fooled by corp shills' LIES.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung GM stole US taxpayer money and invested billions of it in China. It's the biggest scam/theft in corporate history.
TurboFuss1 4 months ago
@TurboFuss1 of course. ALL the crooks who took the corp welfare "bailout" and now claim they've "repaid the tarp funds with interest" have done a lot of fancy accounting tricks (with the help of the gov't) in order to move numbers around.
it isn't so hard to find when people want to look for it. the trolls commenting that these people don't know what they're protesting are either shills or ignorant fools.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
Why is Ron Paul the ONLY major candidate who has pledged to bring all troops home NOW? Because he has no "empathy"? Puhhleez. He is a man of honor and courage who has been preaching the same message of peace and prosperity for decades. I'm sorry for you socialists he's not pro big government, but would you rather have big government and war or no war and small government? Try to use your brain.
slewofdamascus 4 months ago
Ever wonder why Fox News & their minions claims there are more Communist at Zuccotti Park then in all of China?
youngHUsoldier 4 months ago
@youngHUsoldier I dont know anyone who has ever heard that since nobody I know of watches fox news...
Xellith 4 months ago
No hierarchy? Sounds like Marxism to me.
Decimator334 4 months ago
imo,
I will not support socialistic movements, I believe this is why they have yet to define their intentions, Waiting for the socialism or request or govt expansions, any day now.
They started at the beginning, an seemed to shut up when few agreed with them.
th86stone 4 months ago
'SPOIL EXACTLY WHAT ?
-Ralph Nader 2008 tee shirt.
(That I own) Yea Ralph Nader. ! Love that man.
A TRUE American hero.
Thanks for the vid RP. SHort but sweet.
sandyg1955 4 months ago in playlist Occupy Wall Street NYC General Assembly Declaration 2
At least it's not about drugs like Woodstock. I love political movements as they will lead to great things for the next generation. As Winston Churchill was once attributed to saying "To be young and liberal is to be young, to be old and liberal is to be a fool.". This speaks nothing of the goodness or badness of liberalism, but more to the fact that as we age, we become tempered by our experiences, many of which lead us to skepticism.
TheWitnessOfCacti 4 months ago
Um this is bullshit... Im mad how they are just know starting to protest when blacks latinos asians native americans samons and lower/working class whites have been dealing with the same problems for generations! There caouse is universal bull simplistic!There are far worse cases of poverty and in justice throughout the world some taking place in the U.S. struggles people have fouhgt killed and died for! Until they understand the gravity of this message they will never be taken serious...
Apesketch360 4 months ago
"Tax the rich" != Revolution
delerium2k 4 months ago
WHO STARTED OCCUPY WALL STREET? WHO PLANNED IT? WHO IS PAYING FOR THE MARKETING FIRM, THE NEWSPAPERS, THE FLYERS? WHAT ROLE DID SEIU PLAY? WHO ARE STEPHEN LEARNER AND VAN JONES? WHAT IS THE CENTER FOR AMERICAN PROGRESS? WHO IS GEORGE SOROS? WHAT IS HIS RELATIONSHIP TO CAP? IS HE A CRONY CAPITALIST? DOES HE PAY HIS FAIR SHARE? IS HE GETTING RICH OFF THE CORRUPT SYSTEM OF WALL STREET SPECULATION? HOW DOES HE MAKE HIS MONEY? HE MADE $7 BILLION LAST YEAR THROUGH HIS HEDGE FUND AND INVESTMENTS.
cmorrowk 4 months ago 2
This is one reason why I will not attend one of these goofy rallies- I don't like to be a sheep. That's exactly why I decided to not join College Democrats at Mizzou after I found out just how sheepish everyone was there and how they would simply just parrot the Democratic platform and work to get fellow Dems elected, rather than QUESTIONanything.
whoo689 4 months ago
Why do these people chant incessantly at their rallies like EVERYONE ELSE wants to hear a bunch of shouting and gives a fuck?
whoo689 4 months ago
The "general assembly" method just sounds like a bunch of people shouting to me. Do they even hold VOTES or tallies of each decision? Even Congress only does "vote by shouting" BEFORE they decide to have a vote or something of that nature, not shouting with the ACTUAL votes on legislation.
whoo689 4 months ago
"There is no hierarchy"?
What's so bad about a little hierarchy? Just a little
This "we're all equal all the time" bullshit is Kindergarten-type shit. Grow up, Occupiers.
whoo689 4 months ago
Direct democracy should be done only at a very limited level.
whoo689 4 months ago
Direct democracy? eh... No
There's a reason the Founders spoke out against that. It's called "tyranny of the majority" and tends to lead to mob rule. It may SOUND GOOD when some special interests seem to be the only ones making any gains in the political system, but in the end, it can be disastrous. Just look at Prop 8 or the dozens of other marriage amendments across the country.
whoo689 4 months ago
RP does brilliant work but his videos don't get nearly enough views. Please be sure to pass his videos on and, if you're already a subscriber, make sure you join the mailing list so you don't miss any.
ruffa65 4 months ago
great video
poisedonis 4 months ago 4
@poisedonis thank you
representativepress 4 months ago
They all want free Binkys!!!!!!!!!!
222libertarian 4 months ago
I wonder if people are retaining to what they are repeating. I could see the reason of using this method so people could hear but how much of the information actually is retained.Anyway hopefully they all having productive dialogues in regard to change.When people are capable of true dialogue then communication can make forward progress. David Bohm came up with a process for a group of people to engage in dialogue and wrote a book on the subject. His ideas could be helpful.
Julia52421 4 months ago
Announced this morning food prices going up 25%,oil and school tuition going up,
Obama's bill represents no new jobs,it continues the employment of school administrators and rehires some laid off some contract and union workers.Sharia compliant US banks : BOA and Citigroup made profits.Obama may increase troops on the ground in Africa.
Ny businesses have been forced to close due to OWS blocking and terrorizing customers.48% of illegal immigrants are on welfare.Welfare cost may hit $600b
goldensassenach 4 months ago
Until people learn how to be honest with themselves about the contents of their own minds and how that flows into their actions,not much is going to change. Educating and raising awareness is a great place to start but it is essential for actions to follow ideas. I found it strange watching a youtube clip of the protest in England where Julian Assange was addressing the crowd with a loud speaker and the crowd was repeating everything he said.
Julia52421 4 months ago
"A Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. A Republic is a well armed sheep contesting the vote." Democracy is a fancy word for "mob rule". It means whoever is the majority is in complete control and enforces their views on all others. This is basically fascism. A Republic means that even a politically unpopular minority is still represented and still has a voice.
These sheeple on wallstreet just make it easier for the elites to control us
a4finger 4 months ago
@a4finger Alex Jones is a con man.
representativepress 4 months ago 25
@representativepress
Yeah I don't like him perpetuating that 9/11 conspiracy bs, and where did Alex Jones come into this?
And wow that was a fast reply
a4finger 4 months ago
@a4finger Alex Jones is probably the biggest pushed of those dumb quotes. fake as far as not from Franklin too.
representativepress 4 months ago 2
@representativepress
do u mean "pusher"? I didn't get it from him and I didn't say it was from Franklin. U make a lot of wrong assumptions don't u
a4finger 4 months ago
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@representativepress
alex jones is fake & so are you
the two of you should go screw each other & stop spreading your bullshit
TheFlexEffect 4 months ago
@a4finger
representativepress AND alex jones both perpetuate 9/11 falsehoods
don't be a moron
TheFlexEffect 4 months ago
@TheFlexEffect No, I don't perpetrate any falsehoods. Problem is when I show you how Rivero & others selectively cite from their soruces – sources which say that there were no explosives in the Israel's vans.
You ignore basic facts, like the fact that the buildings were undergoing visable failures well before they collapsed.
representativepress 4 months ago
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@representativepress
you're a fucking liar
TheFlexEffect 4 months ago
@representativepress Leave Alex Jones alone! At least he produces objective criticism of the federal government.
TurboFuss1 4 months ago
@TurboFuss1 who are u?alex jones lawyer...no...so fuck off man!
emcedion 4 months ago
@representativepress
What facts do you have that prove that your statement as above "Alex Jones is a con man." I am not an avid fan of Alex Jones but he does at times interview people whose views I agree with.Do you have any actual facts to back up this statement or are you just mouthing off?
Julia52421 4 months ago in playlist Occupy Wall Street NYC General Assembly Declaration
@Julia52421 I have a video which I uploaded very recently called "9/11 Charlatans EXPOSED Denying Building 7 Damage" which features Alex Jones and answers your question about him being a con man.
representativepress 4 months ago
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Julia52421 4 months ago
@representativepress Thanks for video,I don't think it proves he is a "con man" in respect of everything.9/11 has been disputed in many ways.Personally I think it is preferable for people to focus on what is occurring around the world at present.Maybe I view 9/11 in this regard because I am not an American and do not live in the U.S.A.
Julia52421 4 months ago
@representativepress
alex jones is a con man
& so are you
TheFlexEffect 4 months ago
@TheFlexEffect no flex, alex jones cons himself sometimes because he gets carried away with a cause that starts out good but then he gets over gung ho and closes his mind too fast on too many points while doing a great job of not closing his mind on other points. As far as representativepress, he puts alot of open minded work in on most of his points. Thats why you hate him so much. The only way you can confront him is by calling him a conman. He is only helping your realize youve been conned
derpotni3riots 4 months ago
A non hierarchical model in any group of people is not a new idea,I know many other well meaning groups have tried to make this work.I think it is definitely a good ideal but know from experience that this is quite difficult to maintain in large numbers of people in the long term.Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it .Change is definitely needed,many people of all ages and backgrounds are aware of this fact , it is glaringly obvious.
Julia52421 4 months ago
It's absurd that they believe their "consensus model" is something new, or that function in any real, meaningful way.
Have they, in any way, defined the rights of the individuals taking part in their movement/system? If not then it will soon collapse into a simple rule by majority, under which the minority and individuals will be enslaved.
That's why America is a Constitutional Republic, we only allow the force of democracy to go so far.
eluminated 4 months ago
@eluminated Government isn't the only force. Private tyrannies run without regard for the public are damaging our country. The media and other corporations have done damage to us. We shouldn't allow the public discourse to be controlled by them. FOr example, they railroaded Kucinich out of his fair chance to run (ANDMORE IMPORTANTLY OUR FAIR CHANCE TO VOTE FOR HIM) When ABC new's stephanopoulos tells viewes Obama's the only top Democrat against the Iraq war from the start as KUCINICH is shown!
representativepress 4 months ago
@eluminated What ABC new's stephanopoulos did is THEFT. Viewers tricked into thinking Obama was the only choice of the Democrats in the primary who was against the Iraq war from the start were ROBBED! Deception is THEFT. This is just one of MANY examples of abuse of power.
representativepress 4 months ago
@representativepress Huh? lol... I'm sorry, I don't see the connection between our comments.
eluminated 4 months ago
Our republic was taken over in 1913 by offshore bankers, they outsourced our monitary policy to these bankers and its been down hill ever since.
mjs1231 4 months ago
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep talking about whats for dinner.
mjs1231 4 months ago
@mjs1231 NO IT ISN'T
ZuccottiPark 4 months ago
The united states is a constitutional republic, which is a limited democracy with a rule of law. Have you forgotten the pledge of eligence? And to the republic for wich it stands, one nation under god.
These freaks that want a pure democracy are just illiterate in history.
mjs1231 4 months ago
Wow....strangely enough, looking at the likes and dislikes, the percentage of dislikes are pretty much a small poll is a reflection of the big numbers of We The People liking and the rich satanists disliking. lol. Sic'em! Blessings to We The People!
Licmycat 4 months ago
direct democracy = mob rule.
just because a lot of people agree on an issue doesn't make them right, remember, the Nazi's were elected in a free election.
in a republic the minority is protected.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
@HuxleyWasRight ``republic the minority is protected.'' That is exactly the problem. The 1% are protected above all others in "Western" nations to the ruin of those nations. If the US "Republic" ideal is so good, then why on earth is the US in the mess it's in? At this point in time direct democracy is needed while things are still sane. When things go insane it will be too late and the mob will rule by force if necessary.
nesNYC 4 months ago 3
Good job Representativepress.
point2me1 4 months ago
@WikeddTung I guess we're supposed to forget that RP receives the sum total of ZERO dollars from any of the major corporations ? ever ask yourself why that could be ?
How come Obama gets truck loads of dollars from banks and corporations, and Ron Paul get none at all ??
it can't be because they think RP has no chance of winning because they festoon other candidates with money whom don't have any chance whatsoever.
so again, ask yourself why RP receives nothing from banks or corporation?.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
@HuxleyWasRight
because he's unelectable
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung that's not an adequate answer, since they also give money to other candidates who are either unelectable or very unlikely to gain the nomination.
the answer is pretty clear, they don't give him money because he would end corporate welfare and kill the monopoly men, for they cannot operate in a truly free market, only the crutch of the state holds them up.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
@HuxleyWasRight
lol. your "clear" answer is clear to you in the way that the existence of god is "clear" to those who CHOSE to believe that fairy tale. fuck off with your agenda.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung There's no need to stoop to those levels.
Ron Paul is now a pretty major player, and the fact he receives nothing from the special interest groups speaks volumes imo.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
GOD FUCKING DAMIT PEOPLE ....THIS IS NOT , I REPEAT NOT A DEMOCRACY IT IS A REPUBLIC ....YOU GUYS ARE FOOLS AND BRAIN DEAD AND DON'T KNOW YOUR OWN COUNTRY!!!
DOCSAFETUBE 4 months ago 2
@DOCSAFETUBE DEMOCRACY and REPUBLIC are not contradictions. A republic is a form of democracy. devious elites started the "republic, not a democracy" meme.
representativepress 4 months ago 8
@representativepress TOM -------your high on crack ...your comment is way off base , where are you getting your info????? a republic is not a form of a democracy at all!! point blank ..do your research TOM!
DOCSAFETUBE 4 months ago
@representativepress well said. the only folks who stand to benefit from the silly "republic, not a democracy" nonsense are people like the kochs.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
REPUBLIC:
1.
a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
2.
any body of persons viewed as a commonwealth.
3.
a state in which the head of government is not a monarch or other hereditary head of state.
Denomolise 4 months ago
@representativepress Do you believe that proposition 8, which banned gay marriage in California, should have been upheld on the basis that a majority voted for it?
bluecode320 4 months ago
@bluecode320 no, we still have a Constitution and rights of all should be protected. WHat gets made law is different than the domination of the public discourse about what reforms we should have or what candidates should represent us. Just because some aspects of decision making are done by direct democracy doesn't mean that it is advocacy for ripping up our Constitution. The problem is NOT that we have 'too much" democracy, the problem is people have far too little say in what government policy
representativepress 4 months ago
An elite is meritocratic, that elite can work for good or for ill. Today's so called elites work mostly for ill, but there are some who still have a problems with the brutal means. Evil always thinks it is doing good. The rule of law is better than majority rule, because it does not split a country in two. Why isn't the OWM militating for the reimplementation of Glass-Steagall?
Zamolxx 4 months ago
@Zamol "An elite is meritocratic" We need to examine that assumption. Elites have gotten to their positions because they were "talented" or were "chosen & moved ahead on the basis of their achievement" We need to question what is meant by talent & achievement. Thomas Friedman is talented at spreading bald faced lies in the service of what apparently he sees as his own & for discriminatory foreign nationalistic agenda. His writing is amateurish junk,is it talent or is it that it serves an agenda?
representativepress 4 months ago
Those are false elites. Mainstream economic experts are inherently incompetent and criminal, whether or not they know it. They are plagued my monetarism and will dogmatically refuse any sane (humane) notion of economy in favor of esoteric ones. An elite (the most competent) can work for good or for evil. For example Albert Speer and Erasmus of Rotterdam were meritocratic (competent), the first served evil, the second served good.
Zamolxx 4 months ago
@representativepress Sorry, but a republic is a representative democracy that is subject to laws. What these people are participating in is direct democracy. Direct democracy always fails. Just look at California.
nickburnin8 4 months ago
@nickburnin8
That is probably the most stuid AND ignorant thing i read in about a month.
And trust me, i read alot.
There is NO other democracy , but direct Democracy. That you even have to SAY "direct" shows, what propaganda is going on.
Democracy is greek and means ca "ruling of the people".
Having a 2 party system with 2 corrupt partys, doing the corporations bidding is the clear opposite to
anything this word stands for.
Just stop it.TY.
shurednichso 4 months ago
@shurednichso No. Electing representatives keeps the country from eating itself alive. It also means that the majority doesn't always get what it wants, and the government doesn't have certain powers, no matter how much a majority wishes it so. If you know anything of democracy, then you know of how democracy, without control devolves into mob rule, then to a police state, then to a dictatorship. Absolute majority rule is how you end up with Iran. Plato thought democracy was evil as well.
nickburnin8 4 months ago
@nickburnin8
A big pile of SHIT you wrote there.
First of all, the majority decision IS Democracy. IF the majority decides earlier to have a constitution ,that grants people certain untakable RIGHTS, then you have those outside of any later democratic decision.
OH AND PLEASE GIVE ME SOME EVIDENCE ON : direct democracy->mob rule->police state->dictatorship.
Because in every thinking mans brain these are contridictional terms of governing and society.
shurednichso 4 months ago
@shurednichso Direct democracy was the French Revolution, which brought in the Jacobins which became mob rule. In their quest to "mete out justice" for the sorry state of affairs, they created the sans-culottes who were the revolutionary guardians and police of the paris commune. Unfortunately the Jacobin leader, Robespierre removed one too many heads and was apprehended by the sans-culottes. Then came Napoleon.
nickburnin8 4 months ago
@shurednichso What you are asking for: objective evidence, is impossible to dredge up because of the subjective nature of history. Secondly, the BEST that can be had would be a case-study which as we know is never enough to draw a scientific conclusion from. That being said, the same chain of events happened in Rome, and Athens. Documented by Plato, and by Virgil.
nickburnin8 4 months ago
@nickburnin8
2.
And dont let me start about Iran, which landed in the first step in Dictatorship, because the US
government killed their leader, because they did not want to get exploited by the US and Britain any longer.
Then who installed a Dictator, who did that again? Who gave the Mullahs the "chance" to claim the Revolution for themselfes? Right, we all know who.
So dont you ignorant shit talk about Iran to me.
shurednichso 4 months ago
@shurednichso Right....because your cock-smoking professor probably told you all of this right? Right before he blamed your student loan on a bank, and not on the fact that your tuition keeps pace with his rising salary. I see, you're just gullible. Exposure to the real world fixes that in a few years
nickburnin8 4 months ago
Iran's revolution was a mobgasm that was so disorderly, the mullahs had to take over. To protect their unpopular rule, they instituted a police state, and stripped all rights except voting from the population. Now, they mobilize the poor right before elections with social programs and have them vote for the most loyal candidate. That very manipulation of democracy is its undoing. The only public officials worth bribing are the ones that can fix your problems.
nickburnin8 4 months ago
@nickburnin8
Irans revolution was a peaceful uprising against an highly armed dictatorship against the brutal
dictatorship of the Shah and no "mobrule", you uneducated twat.
And it was never a Democracy created after the revolution.
Srsly, smartassing ignorant much ??
shurednichso 4 months ago
@shurednichso Peaceful revolutions don't take hostages, not 422 of them. They don't storm embassies, either. Funny how you're willing to overlook that violation of the most sacrosanct aspect of international law. Mob rule was what led to Khomeini actually coming to power.
nickburnin8 4 months ago
@nickburnin8
The REVOLUTION WAS AGAINST THE SHAH , YOU IIIIIIIGNORANT PIECE OF DOGGGSHIT.
MY GOD.
shurednichso 4 months ago
@nickburnin8 The Iranian students were worried the CIA was going to reinstall the Shah again. And that very building was illegally used by the US to do it in 1953.
representativepress 4 months ago
@DOCSAFETUBE Let me clarify this, yes we are a Constitutional Republic, however, that IS a representative Democracy.... BUT, what these social anarchists demand is a Direct Democracy, and it is entirely a Marxist philosophy and in nature is a dictatorship of the proletariat where majority force their will upon minority
AssholeBlogger 4 months ago
what do u guys demand? same salary for everyone? if thats the case, u cant give a doctor and a garbage man the same salary.
prednisolon 4 months ago
@prednisolon
the declaration doesn't say anything about "salaries". why invent silly bullshit instead of reading it and debating it on its actual contents? maybe because you can't?
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung i just asked a genuine question, u dont need to be a such a dick. if ur not gonna answer my question dont bother commenting, i just dont have a clue what this movement is about.
prednisolon 4 months ago
@prednisolon one asshole's "genuine question" is another guy's "passive aggressive framing device". and i gave you the answer to your question- the declaration says NOTHING about salaries. that you assumed it did without knowing suggests something about YOUR agenda.
it's clear you're pretty clueless about a number of things. it isn't hard for most people of average intelligence to google "ows declaration" and read the thing for themselves in order to be INFORMED.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung you are so aggressive and have so much angry in u my friend with such an approach u shall not succeed. u just lost me, cos i will not support anyone with ur attitude and believe me; without my sympathy you have no chance to overcome. peace & love.
prednisolon 4 months ago
@prednisolon
spare me. the only thing worse than a conservo pussy is a passive aggressive conservo pussy. fuck off with it.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
its a good start but shame theres so many people missing the bigger picture... asking the same government who stole tax payers money to give to failed banks/corporations to fix the problems IT caused is insane... the first thing the OWS movement NEEDs to do is work to shut down central banking, stop politicians selling their power to businesses & allow the people to control the market (free market) not governments & their corporate/banking friends.
djdnauk1977 4 months ago
Where's the supposed declaration? I'd like to read it.. Link is broken... and for the record, America is NOT A DIRECT DEMOCRACY, IT IS A REPUBLIC and it is for this reason there exists division. A direct democracy is DANGEROUS because majorities will force their will upon minorities.. A direct democracy is a SEVERE LOSS OF INDIVIDUAL LIBERTIES and this is the reason OWS lacks unity and full support of all Americans
AssholeBlogger 4 months ago
@AssholeBlogger hey asshole! all you have to do is google "declaration occupy nyc" and you'll get the site yourself. if that's too much for you to handle i have it copied in its entirety on my channel. all you have to do is make the effort to click on my handle. if that proves too challenging, then i'm afraid you simply don't WANT to know. which is in fact the definition of WILLFUL IGNORANCE.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
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@WikeddTung Yeah, I read it you fucking douche
AssholeBlogger 4 months ago
@AssholeBlogger aw, did i hurt your feelings? lol
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung fuck off... better yet, go kill yourself
AssholeBlogger 4 months ago
@AssholeBlogger wow. well reasoned, articulate and intelligent. lol. pussy.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@AssholeBlogger I fixed the OWSDeclaration link in the video info.
representativepress 4 months ago
it's quite creepy to hear them all say that in tandem like some kind of weird cult.
And whilst i admire their enthusiasm, they're way off target, the banks and wall street didn't bail themselves out, the corporations didn't start the wars, nor erect the police state nor start the hideous "drug war", your interactions with the banks and corporations is totally voluntary, there's nobody forcing you.The government on the other hand has the power to start the wars, bail out corps crack your skulls.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
@H this is the disingenuous, phony "guns don't kill people" rational in reverse: nothing more than a way to misdirect the debate. there is no government without PEOPLE. the government isn't something that exists in a vacuum. to pretend that "corporations didn't start the wars" when former ceo of haliburton DICK CHEYNEY agitated for the war in iraq more than anyone else to the BENEFIT OF HALIBURTON is misleading. corporations giving $ to politicians is CORRUPTION. aiming at them is fair play.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung actually, it's interesting to note that when dick cheney was CEO of Halliburton he lobbied the clinton government to normalise relations with Iran and drop the sanctions.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
@HuxleyWasRight and this is supposed to change the fact that he promoted (and continues to promote) FAKE, non-existent WMD's in order to invade iraq, from which halliburton PROFITTED?
spare me & everybody else the misdirection. no sale
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung that was when he was IN government, dick cheney could not have started a war as CEO of Halliburton, in fact 99% of business much prefer peace than war, it's more profitable*
* of course, excluding the merhcanst of death in the military industrial complex.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
@HuxleyWasRight
MISDIRECTION & OBFUSCATION. pretending to argue that cheney wasn't TECHNICALLY employed by haliburton when he promoted, pushed for & started the iraq war is, again, disingenuous & phony.
take your straw man someplace else. i don't have to waste my time punching holes in the obvious.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung could cheney have started a war as halliburton CEO / yes or no ?.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
@HuxleyWasRight you like straw man arguments? ok. lincoln issued greenbacks to finance the union during the civil war so that we didn't have to BORROW from banks. bush/cheyney started TWO wars without issuing currency but by BORROWING. so, could the federal reserve (PRIVATE CORPORATE BANKS) END THE WARS by stopping their financing, YES OR NO?
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung i asked a question, i didn't argue anything.
dick cheney could not have started a war as CEO of Halliburton, only when he got his hands of the levers of state power could he do this.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
@HuxleyWasRight lol great reply.
again, i don't have to be sucked into punching holes in swiss cheese. goodbye.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung WHAT? Cheney was not an "employee".. he was a fucking majority share holder... which IMO is far worse implication that a mere "employee"
AssholeBlogger 4 months ago
@AssholeBlogger lol. desperate for attention, aren't you. ok. i never said he was an EMPLOYEE. i said he was EMPLOYED. and your point does nothing to contradict mine. thanks for your 2 cents though!
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung If you were not too busy being a fucking RETARD you'd realized I wasn't contradicting you, but validating your point.. You fucking moron.
AssholeBlogger 4 months ago
@AssholeBlogger
i got exactly what you were doing. i'm not interested in allies who buy into the "repubic, not a democracy" koolaid. you need to clear your head. sorry asshole blog person.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
@WikeddTung Koolaid? It's FACT and truth, yet you wish to ignore it. The USA is a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, which is REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY and that is FACT.. You can ignore these facts all you want, but it's the goddamn truth, no ifs ands or buts about it.. You're the one drinking "koolaid" if you think otherwise... Once again proving yourself to be a MORON
AssholeBlogger 4 months ago
@WikeddTung "I think we'd be better off if we, in fact, backed off those sanctions , didn't try to impose secondary boycotts on companies ... trying to do business over there ... and instead started to rebuild those relationships," Cheney said during a 1998 business trip to Sydney, Australia, reported by Australia's Illawarra Mercury newspaper.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
At least this movement recognizes Ron Paul for the anti-human politician he is. Paul is right about bringing the troops home, but wrong on domestic issues, such as universal healthcare and Social Security. There is a bi-partisan effort in Washington to kill Soc. Security. Obama is screwing with Soc. Sec. by cutting payroll taxes. Bad idea. Bad move by Obama.
investigateliberty 4 months ago in playlist Occupy Wall Street NYC General Assembly Declaration
@investigateliberty
absolutely. what's brilliant about ows is that they aren't buying ANY of the bs from ANY side. they recognize paul for the pro-corporate trojan horse he is AND obama for the financial spitoon he is. if you really want to hurt someone you go for their WALLETS. these folks are taking aim right where it'll do the most good.
WikeddTung 4 months ago
So has this become a communist movement?
Alpinex105 4 months ago
Thx for the clarification. Not to sound too skeptical, but ill believe it when I see it. [just think there's too much rampant corruption for solutions to be made]. but I can hope. peace.
Gizziiusa 4 months ago
What is considered "rich" ? Is it based on income and/or wealth ? and at what point is that, $100,000 a year job, or $200,000, $500,000 ? or is it more ? depends too on where you live, NYC @ 100,000/year is surely not "rich", while it might be in say Pickatown, Alabama. -- I thought this movement was mostly based on how the banks stole taxpayers money via threats to congress and the subsequent ongoing resulting recession/depression. please clarify.
Gizziiusa 4 months ago
@Gizziiusa Warren Buffet, who is "consistently ranked among the world's wealthiest people" recently wrote an article called "Stop Coddling the Super-Rich." It begins "Our leaders have asked for 'shared sacrifice.' But when they did the asking, they spared me. I checked with my mega-rich friends to learn what pain they were expecting. They, too, were left untouched. ... while most Americans struggle to make ends meet, we mega-rich continue to get our extraordinary tax breaks. ..."
representativepress 4 months ago
@Gizziiusa "I know well many of the mega-rich ... Most wouldn't mind being told to pay more in taxes as well, particularly when so many of their fellow citizens are truly suffering." - Warren Buffet
representativepress 4 months ago
@Gizziiusa "for those making more than $1 million — there were 236,883 such households in 2009 — I would raise rates immediately on taxable income in excess of $1 million, including, of course, dividends and capital gains. And for those who make $10 million or more — there were 8,274 in 2009 — I would suggest an additional increase in rate. My friends and I have been coddled long enough by a billionaire-friendly Congress. It's time for our government to get serious about shared sacrifice."
representativepress 4 months ago
This may bring about some form of "change" but has anyone taken a moment to think that those in power don't WANT to lose that power and although "change" may take place,it may not be for the better?Sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't.
I appreciate what is going on here, and I think that the top 1% SHOULD be paying their dues. I just don't see this ending in a good way. To be honest I see them getting fed up with the "occupy" thing and just rolling over it with tanks.
XuliusCaesar 4 months ago
A 'movement' is linear... it goes from 'A' to 'B'. It has a beginning & an end.
But a 'Revolution' is circular... it keeps coming back & 'refreshing' itself once in a while ("with the blood of Patriots" as someone famously once said).
So... Is this a 'movement' or a 'Revolution'?
ejbh3160 4 months ago
I only know of one presedential candidate willing to end the wars immediately and bring all troops home and close 75% of all foreign military bases. That's not a bad place to start. Is it? Ron Paul is the only candidate worth a vote.
slewofdamascus 4 months ago 3
@slewofdamascus Ron Paul is no different than any other politician only difference is he lies better. Anyone that has been in the congress as long as he has been owes some people favors.
NC910Killa 4 months ago
@NC910Killa probably has more to do with the fact he delivered most of his constituents babies so they trust him ? ;- )
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
@HuxleyWasRight Ron Paul is just as evil as the rest of Republicans and Democrats in my opinion could I be wrong yes do I think I am NO way in hell do I think I'm wrong. We need to Abolish this government is does not work any longer for the people.
NC910Killa 4 months ago
@NC910Killa i agree with the last sentence.
HuxleyWasRight 4 months ago
@HuxleyWasRight Cool we should agree to disagree on the other sentence then. Good to see someone who can find the good in a argument.
NC910Killa 4 months ago
@slewofdamascus Ron Paul has a sick-minded philosophy which blinds him to or makes him indifferent to human suffering. He denies the level of suffering during the Great Depression. We don't need to go to nasty agendas like his. We must insist on MORE DEMOCRACY. the Democrats MUST hold a primary!
representativepress 4 months ago
@representativepress "Ron Paul has a sick-minded philosophy" "We don't need to go to nasty agendas like his"
A specific example other than his opinion on matters none of us even took part in would be nice. Your entire comment was nothing but rhetoric, which is about all we seem to get out of any of the other canidates. Ron Paul's push to audit the federal reserve, stop these undeclared wars, even his overall voting record is something I happen to agree with. He's getting my vote.
sleepyriggles 4 months ago
@sleepyriggles you didn't like the example, what can I do? It highlights a very real denial or callousness on his part. His economic theories are ignorant. I am not willing at all to trow away decent domestic polices because he has a few narrow polices which may make things better in foreign affairs. BTW, Greenspan admitted his world view on "free markets" was wrong and you want us to be at their mercy? We are owed things after decades of propping up their system.
representativepress 4 months ago 2
@representativepress you are clueless - the man is a doctor who has delivered thousands of human lives into this world, and we know he takes his oaths seriously, including the hippocratic oath. You spout total and utter propoganda, which proves the kind of person you are. How dare you. I don't doubt for a second that Ron Paul has ten times the empathy in his little finger than you do your whole body. This is a republic, not a "democracy". Democracy is too often the tyranny of the majority.
slewofdamascus 4 months ago