We need to investigate who has defrauded our money. The meny has certainly not gone to the soldiers or to veteran's healthcare. It's time to investigate Cheney and the CEOs from Halliburton and British Petroleum, hm?
I see you're back to your old craziness scammer. You must be real happy getting a grand endorsement in Iraq by Al-Qaida's number 2 guy. Hey the terrorists talking points match the GOP's talking points now.
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Murtha is clearly displaying with his public rants the backbencher syndrome-meaning if someone is not given their 15 minutes they get frustrated easily-clearly what murtha exhibits
You are the one showing they're weak or timid you have fear of an overwhelming terrorist infiltration force that doesn't exist. Once again Scam you get proven flat out wrong and you revert back to John Murtha not being found guilty during abscam. If anyone is trying to pull a scam it is you
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike at him as hard as you can and as often as you can, and keep moving on."
Ahhh chicken little has returned with more platitudes. Is the sky done falling yet scam? You don't even have a clear defined definition of who the enemy is. You do know that Al Qaida barely makes a percentage of the people we are fighting in Iraq dont you?
You're the one sticking your head in the sand hiding from the "big bad terrorists" that don't really exist. Who is they? You sound like a schitzophrenic with your constant references to "they". Do you even know who we are actually fighting scam?
How do you get by from day to day living in a constant state of fear scam? Didn't the president say that we shouldn't fear and that we should go about our lives and get back to work?
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Salt Lake city was domestic terrorism, khobar wasnt US, Paris, USS Cole. Once again Scam how many foreign attacks in the US have occurred over the last 30 years? Even with your short list there that's a 1 in 200 millionth chance you might be a victim of terrorism. The pentagon just released a report debunking the fight them over there so they don't come over here myth.
"my thoughts kept coming back to the 1930's -- to Manchuria, to Ethiopia, the Rhineland, Austria, and finally Munich.
Here was history repeating itself. Here was another probing action, another testing action. If we let the Republic of Korea go under, some other country would be next, and then another. And all the time, the courage and confidence of the free world would be ebbing away, just as it did in the 1930's."
Tell me did communism overtake the world scammer? Are we speaking russian now? Your irrational paranoia is no more based in reality than it was during the cold war. If anything we will be speaking Chinese first as our politicians continue selling America off piece by piece to China.
Well Pogue, it seems we agree that Murtha ia a sleaze. I care when a sleaze has power over my safety and soldiers lives. I don't want my kids to be reading right to left, bottom to top (unless they convert to Judism, that is.)
Wow scam talk about total paranoia over something that won't happen. I'll agree Murtha is a sleaze if you would also agree the current administration is equally sleazy. Your kids won't be reading right to left just like your kids aren't speaking russian. You have the same paranoia people used to have about the communists and it is greatly misplaced.
OK Pogue... Then we agree that John Abscam Murtha ia a sleaze. I do care about sleazes in office making decisions that affect my freedom and soldiers lives.
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind." The Honorable John Murtha
How does his decisions affect your freedom? Your freedom has never been under attack by his side. You don't seem to mind trading your freedom for false security so why do you complain about your freedoms now? Yeah God forbid we send our troops into battle fully prepared, fully armed, instead of just sending them out without proper armor and without proper training like whats currently happening.
The price of freedom is blood. Volunteers are paying that price FOR US every day. His sleazy political tactics -- which you are a sucker for -- are costing people their lives every day by encouraging the enemy to persist in their insanity.
Sleazy politics? You still haven't stated what crime Murtha committed during ABSCAM. You're the one who is showing they're a sucker. Scam we haven't fought for our freedom since WW2. Almost every other major war we've been apart of since then has been a stalemate. You're not talking in a reality based world but rather that based on speculation and innuendo. Respond when you can actually speak honestly and accurately
70 years of freedom in Europe without the price of blood. But Bush had to start a war for no reason and these guys strike back against Spain and Britain. Thank you Bush and thank you to his supporters.
schwirzl: I am sorry for your family losses defending the Third Reich and vaguely understand your bitterness. I guess this cost the US about 200,000 soldiers to help get Europe free 62 years ago. There have been at least 30 terrorist attacks before 9-11 so you're not seeing anything new. And that's the point: you'll be under Sharia law before too long so you should prepare to defend or convert: the price of freedom is blood.
Scam you're talking crazy. You're acting as if these terrorists could pull a "Red Dawn" attack on our country and take it over which is complete paranoia. They wouldn't be able to take over our country no more than the communists did. Tell me how many foreign terrorists attacks we've had in the US over the past 30 years
not one single islamistic, terrorist attack in Europe, until you guys voted for Bush. Please think about it, NOT A SINGLE ONE in whole Europe since the attack of Turks against Vienna in 1683!!!
--72 Summer Olympics in Munich 0685 Hijacking of TWA Flight 847 1285 airports in Rome and Vienna 0486 Bombing of La Belle 0486 Trans World Airlines Flight 840 0986 Pan Am Flight 73 1288 Pan Am Flight 103 1294 Air France Flight 8969 --95 bombings in France These may not meet your criteria as Islamic Fundamentalist attacks, but remember, "He who buries his head in the sand gets kicked in the rear." The Ghost That Never Lies
So Scam how many foreign terrorist attacks have there been in the US over the past 30 years? Most of the terrorist attacks have happened on on our allies who have been fighting terrorists for years and they dont believe they're all going to be under Sharia law. Are all your arguments so specious or just the ones you make on youtube?
"war is peace" -> 1984 made real. USA is permanently in need for an enemy to fight and you saying "the price of freedom is blood. Volunteers are paying that price FOR US every day" just proves how deep they stuffed that 'war is peace' reasoning in your brain.
Hello int. The USA was attacked on 9/11 by an organized enemy. "The price of freedom is blood" reflects the reality that "some people would prefer to be King of a Dunghill than sharers in the Kingdom of Heaven"... people like Jack Murtha, for example. "War is hateful - slavery is more hateful."
oh yeah, I forgot the religious justification for war, which is even worse. excuse me, but "the kingdom of heaven" isn't a political argument. man, you need to watch something else than fox news and televangelists.
I bet you believe that 9/11 was jointly organized by Iran, Irak, Al-Qaeda, North Korea, Cuba and maybe France altogether.
int: "Kingdom of Heaven" is used as a metaphor - a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. To put it more simply for you, some people prefer to hurt others, as in 9/11. Usually self defense is regarded as ethically OK, eh? As opposed to ethically challenged...
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind." John Murtha
Hi int. Many people will agree with your proposition. The case for war with Iraq rests on the expulsion of UN inspectors. This implies development of nuclear weapons. Otherwise, why would Sadam invite war as he did by this action?
it's amazing how you guys twist events to your convenience in order to justify a war while ignoring other crucial elements; just check Hans Blix. enough said.
Both Ritter and Blix told us they didn't have weapons and they were villified and ridiculed by people on your side who beat the drums of war. Scammer why should you care what the inspectors said regardless since you guys wanted this war whether the inspectors were there or not. The inspectors were there before the war and found nothing before they were thrown out by Bush.
Invite war? We gave Saddam an ultimatem let the inspectors back in or we'll attack. In 2002 before the war started the inspectors were given access and they weren't finding anything at all. They were then expelled by the Bush Administration as they were set to attack.
Now I understand! You're John Murtha's MOTHER! No wonder. It doesn't matter Pogue! Wake up! NOBODY CARES about this except you & me. If he votes the right way, people accept him or not. I can at least admire his skill at sleaze. You're blind because you're his mom and he can do no wrong. ...pointless arguing with a mother...
Wow you've just lowered the debate lower than it was when you first began it. Actually I don't care about this scam as there was no crime committed by Murtha in him turning down the bribe. Why don't you go after Murtha's other problems? Why choose this at this time. I never said he could do no wrong he just didn't show any wrongdoing here and the US Attorney's Office agrees
Pogue: you're John Murtha's child, right? No excuse. The methods of your disagreement in defense of Murtha are classic obfuscation: accuse the accuser, ignore arguments, change the subject, lots of words.
The reality YOU refuse to admit is Murtha's slithery verbal artistry in Full Abscam Tapes 3 & 4. It's more than getting funds for his district! If you think, "After we've done some business then I might change my mind" is innocent, you are either naïve or disingenuous.
You're not talking about reality Scammer you're talking about whatever you want him to mean instead of what he actually meant. Apparently you don't remember how hard the country was hit during the reagan years and how jobs were getting lost in Penn. Your only purpose here is to attack murtha because he came out against the war. Tell me were you complaining 3 years ago about this when Murtha supported the war?
You're accusing me of being something you're being yourself. You're being totally disingenuous because you're focusing on parts 3 or 4 instead of taking the whole video in context. I notice you avoided the question about whether you knew the difference between stalinism and marxism. Scam fess up here you're the one avoiding the content of this page while pushing yourself all over the map.
OK Pogue, I get it now: You're taking a course in Marxist-Stalinist rhetoric and you're practicing here on YouTube. Right? Ignore the argument? Accuse the accuser? Very dull stuff. I admit it: Murtha was great on tape. Expert. Want a change?
"Evil unchecked grows. Evil tolerated poisons the whole system."
Where do you people come up with this stuff? Its not based in any kind of reality. You accuse people of marxist-stalinist rhetoric because they disagree with you? I bet you can't even define the differences between Marxism and Stalinistic ideology you just throw those words around loosely. You are being sleezy here scam you're avoiding the actual video here and throwing around accusations and rhetoric that cannot be proven.
If anyone is being stalinistic here wouldn't it be you? You'd throw Murtha in the gulag based on what? He turned down a bribe. The US Attorney's office stated his intent was not devious but you don't care right? You want to attack him because he doesn't think the same way you do right? Yes Evil tolerated poisons the whole system that is why the New Congress is starting to hold hearings and reestablish checks and balances something the republican controlled congress neglected.
Dear Apprentices of Democrat Obfuscation Masters: Shear quantity of words does not change the truth.
CONSTRUE FOR YOURSELVES, FOLKS!
SEARCH YouTube "FULL ABSCAM" especially parts 3 and 4.
"...no crime was committed." A rave review, eh? Watch the commission of sleaze with your very eyes! See how to be foxy and avoid entrapment. Pay attention to a master at work.
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind." John Murtha
Repeating the same thing over and over again does not change the truth. You're the one misconstruing everything. Once again the US Attorney's office determined Murtha's intent was to bring money into his district. Since when is trying to bring money into one's district and turning down a bribe a crime?
You're the only one being sleezy here scam. You're repeating the same thing over and over again as if the sheer quantity of your words makes them any more true than the first time you stated them. He turned down a bribe unlike Cunningham, Noe, Ney and Taft
"...no crime was committed." A rave review for our protagonist.
CONSTRUE FOR YOURSELVES, FOLKS! Search YouTube "full abscam" especially parts 3 and 4. Then, if you still think I'm "misconstrue"ing, I expect you're exactly the right person for those extra Brooklyn Bridges I bought when I was young and... naïve. Reasonable condition. Fair prices considering the potential income. Step Right Up!
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind."
You're the exact person who I'm sure looked at the schiavo edits and thought terri schiavo was a fully functional human being as well. Your problem is you'd look at edited videos instead of the full ABSCAM video. I've watched the whole thing. Nowhere does Murtha take a bribe. Last time I checked turning down a bribe does not warrant a crime.
Pay attention to the whole sting video instead of the limited parts you've watched. Why is it that people posted the edited parts on youtube and not the full video? Do you not think that editing the video serves a purpose so people like you can take it out of context. Murtha states that the person should do business in his district before they could talk about any deals to bring in money for projects in the district.
I'm sure you think the US Attorney's office was misconstruing his intent when they deemed Murtha's intent was to obtain investment in his district which had been hit hard during the recession. Murtha stated investment oppurtunities could have put 500 to 1000 miners back to work
No matter how many times you post this a1 it doesn't make a lick of difference. You can misconstrue his words all you want but no crime was committed.
As the daughter of a career Marine, one who served in WWI and WWII, and is buried with honors in Arlington Cemetary, I applaud and admire Congressman Murtha, and hope and pray there are sane people listening. I see there are plenty of kooks still praising Bush, but also some sane people who see the light. I will never vote Republican until they change their ways...if ever. "W" has been a catastrophy.
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You guys aren't one to complain about pork when you guys were building bridges to nowhere. This pork is because the republicans left a lot of undone stuff when they lost their majority including budgets and other things
You sure like to use random quotes and yet can't prove a point. You stated Murtha took a bribe during ABSCAM which he did not. Why don't you just come out and tell the truth?
I've watched the whole video apparently you have not. Where did he take a bribe a1? He said to the guy they should put money into his district he did not take a bribe and the video clearly shows him turning it down. You gotta stop inventing scandals
"Have you forgotten how it felt that day? Too see your homeland under fire and her people blown away... Have you forgotten when those towers fell? We had neighbors still inside going through a living hell..."
"Think back for a moment to the 1930's and you will see the difference. The Japanese moved into Manchuria, and free men did not act. The Fascists moved into Ethiopia, and we did not act. The Nazis marched into the Rhineland, into Austria, into Czechoslovakia, and free men were paralyzed for lack of strength and unity of will.
Think about those years of weakness and indecision, and the World War II which was their evil result."
Okay so Saddam moved into where and tried to spread what? We acted Saddam was contained there was no need to take further action. So what you just quoted bears no relevance to Iraq. Saddam was no Hitler just as Bush is no FDR or Churchill
poguemoron, hi, impressive you are really informed, in opposite to these neo-cons. It really makes me sad reading their comments. They just don´t understand that they support the worst president ever. They don´t understand anymore the difference between an aggressive war and WW2. SADSADSAD. Ever Republican president in history was better.
hitler moved into poland citing 'preventive attack' as being 'necessary' for the safety of germany. bin laden wasnt in poland at that time, neither was he in iraq when bush attacked there. as a matter of fact, bin laden was an enemy of iraq. go figure.
"... my thoughts kept coming back to the 1930's -- to Manchuria, to Ethiopia, the Rhineland, Austria, and finally Munich.
Here was history repeating itself. Here was another probing action, another testing action. If we let the Republic of Korea go under, some other country would be next, and then another. And all the time, the courage and confidence of the free world would be ebbing away, just as it did in the 1930's."
Why don't we just sit down with al queda and reason with them? Because deep down inside, everyone's a good person, even those who lop off journalist's heads. They're just nice guys underneath it all who are misunderstood. That's what they teach on the Care Bears Cartoon, darn it all to heck, so it must be true.& then after we make peace with radical islamists, we can have tea with a spotted owl, because owls have feelings too. I just love being a liberal. It's so fun!
Now you're being totally stupid. Who made the claim we should reason with Al-Qaida? Why don't we actually go after Bin Laden or finish our war in Afghanistan. We brought al-qaida into Iraq not the other way around. Even so Al-Qaida now makes up a small percentage of the insurgency. Most of the fighters are from Iraq
here is a true story: thehognias votes a bunch of crazy, ignorance, stupid guys. Thes people go into the Iraq just because of their crazyness and are now responsible for the death of 3000 Americans and 100 of thousands of Iraqi. After that thehognias chats on youtube and still doesn´t get it. True story and yet unbelievable.
If Iraq is vital to the fate of the U.S. then where is the call for a real surge,a million perhaps? If our survival is hinging on Iraq then surely we can't spare any expense. The troop surge by Bush is a sham. 20,000 is nothing in the scheme of this war but it's enough to get the dems to vote against it so they look weak. 20,000 troops by Bush is a political move.He is using the troops politically "again". I say pressure the neocons for a real troop surge of up to a million then we'll see.
I wonder how the UN sanctions on Iran are going to affect the Democratic stance on the war once the Insurgency runs out of funds. I think it's time to go to plan B for the Democrats. It should be as entertaining as Anna Nicole Smith's death.
Sanctions on iran wont affect the insurgency in the slightest. Chances are a lot of the money they have is from the missing 8 billion we lost in Iraq. We spend our money on high tech stuff, navy, air force, etc. The insurgency doesnt have either of these and so they actually can effectively outspend us
tcroff, you obviously turned off the news whenever it reported how Bushco shorted the troops.
Watch "Iraq For Sale"
I guess you didn't see the troops confronting Rumsfeld in Iraq about why they don't even have proper armor and his response, "You fight a war with the army you have."
Bushco did not and does not give a damn about the troops.
What Busco cares about is Iraqi oil, contracts for ripping off the American taxpayer, and protecting Israel.
WW2- 405,000 U.S. dead, with 1,465 killed IN ONE DAY. The U.S. can't win a war in modern times thanks to gutless liberals with no balls & no perspective. In this cowardly lib culture we never would have dropped the bomb on the japanese and would have pulled out of WW2. Iraq War- 3,236 US dead. In 2005- 16,885 U.S. citizens died from DRUNK DRIVING.
You're comparing WW2 a necessary war to a war of choice? Very thoughtful of you to marginalize the deaths of our brave soldiers overseas to compare it to drunk driving. Way to support the troops asshole
The comparative death tolls put it in context you douche- we never would have won any wars with this constant bitching by the left. & do you think these lame toothless resolutions that admit defeat and provide aid & comfort to the enemy that House dems waste so much time on help the troops one bit? I bet you sit down during the pledge of allegiance.
There is no comparison douche that's like comparing the civil war here to Iraq. You're minimalizing the sacrifices of our troops. We could sit here all day and make stupid comparisons such as the ones below. The aid & comfort bullshit didn't work during vietnam so you can stop with your nonsensical rhetoric. The generals on the ground already believe the surge wont work, how far are you going to exhaust our military before they start pushing back?
the comparison is to show that liberals are up in arms about deaths when there were more murders in L.A. NYC & Detroit in the last 2 yrs than there's been in the whole Iraq war. you're such an unmitigated limp wrist you turn my stomach.
You talk such a big talk for someone not willing to sacrifice your life on the front lines. So not only are you an overt racist but now you're being a bigot as well trying to imply I'm a "faggot" for being realistic and truthful. Once again Jackass you're totally minimalizing the sacrifices of our troops by comparing their deaths to random acts of violence in big cities. Where do you people come up with this stuff?
you have no idea what i'm willing to do you keyboard tough guy. I never said anything racist (calling someone racist is a tried & true liberal tactic- see the immigration debate) I never implied you were a homosexual. I implied you were weak. As not all homosexuals are weak, you have exposed yourself as the true bigot for making that leap. Wow, does it get any easier being made a fool of? You've had plenty of practice on this board.
So you're saying that in the last 2 years there were less deaths in Iraq than those cities? Wow so you must be trying to say those cities have a few thousand deaths a year. Don't quit your day job. Your comparison is utterly stupid as you can't draw the parallels and the numbers per capita don't add up. There are more deaths occuring in Iraq than those three cities combined in the last two years. Good lord. You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
Wrong again there boyo. Since 2003 Detroit has only had 1,576 people die as a result of homicide or nonnegligent manslaughter. Since 2003 there have been 3,223 US military casaulties and more than 10,000 iraqi civilian and security force deaths since January 2006. Are you always stuck on stupid? You make yourself look like a total asshole when you try to compare the sacrifices our troops make to that of random violence in Detroit.
Congratulations. Due to the copious amount of time on your hands because as any good democrat you are either unemployed,a weed smoking college kid or supremely wealthy through no effort of your own & out of touch with the working man, you were able to find figures that do nothing to dispute the point, which still remains dems decry war deaths when more deaths take place @ home. thanks for playing.
I am neither I'm just well informed something you should try instead of making up such easy to prove false statements. If you're going to state something so imperical at least have the decency to back up the shit you say with proof
Like I said, the true numbers you found still support my orignial claim. What you're attempting to do is like me saying your argument has no merit simply because you just misspelled 'empirical' as 'imperical'. I'll go ahead & rack that up as another win for me.
The true numbers I found support your claim? Are you kidding you haven't been right yet. You said those cities had more deaths in 2 years than Iraq has had. That was BS the stats don't support that. Not only were there more murders in Iraq over since 2003 not only US but civilian casualties but there are also more per capita. I'll rack that up as you not knowing that 3,000 and 10,000 are bigger numbers than 1,500
Stupid fantasyland dwellers like you have appeased the president and allowed him to be blinded by Iraq and forget the real enemy in Afghanistan. The American people are tired of this boondoggle
I was in the service when Clinton eliminated our armor and reduced our military. Bush has since fixed what ignorant Democrats had broken. Republicans asked for $2B in armor. The Dems reduced it. The bill includes a 15 day waiting period before ANY military action can take place. Congressional approval before each strike? Seriously? Stop posting comments about a bill you obviously have not read in its entirety. You are what's wrong with this country- not Bush.
I'd say you're pretty crotchety then. Did you pay attention during the Bush Sr. years? Bush Sr. started those cuts with his state of the union address in 92 on recommendation from Dick Cheney they were talking about cutting the military $50 billion in 5 years. He got rid of many programs during his tenure. Do yourself a favor go back read his SOTU address
Learn unconventional warfare, buying $2B in armor isn't going to do shit, what you guys really need to do is invest in education because idiotic Americans are a norm on Youtube.
alright then why don't we just send them out without weapons and clothing too if you think armor is such a waste of money learn to support the troops before posting such idiotic shit
You know i keep hearing all this stuff about clinton and then people talking about Bush going to war with the army he had. Clinton did the same thing. I don't see you whining when Bush Sr. first proposed the military cuts at the end of the cold war. If they were serious about getting the troops armor the republicans would have done it by now
We did do it. That's why we currently have armor. We need more. Clinton did nothing but lob a couple missiles and try to continue Carter's plan of appeasing North Korea. What cuts did Bush Sr. make exactly? Please enlighten us.
Seriously you must be joking? How many detonations did North Korea have during the Clinton Administration? Zero their program was non-existent during the Clinton years. Obviously you were asleep during those years.
Clinton sent Carter to meet with Kim Jong-il and he came back saying Kim had agreed to stop his nuclear weapons development. WRONG. The Clinton appeasement program for North Korea included hundreds of millions of $ in aid, food, oil and even a nuclear reactor.
In return, Kim elected to starve 1 million of his people and use US aid to build uranium bombs.
How many new weapons did N. Korea develop during the 90s? 0 how many detonations also 0. Why is it under Bush Jr. he was able to further develop his program while under Clinton it was almost dormant
by saying he was able to 'further' develop his program, you admit that he was developing it during the clinton years, thus proving my point. thanks dickhead.
I said he wasn't able to further develop his program during the Clinton years. My god are you dense. Learn the english language first before trying to debate a topic you know nothing about. What I stated was he wasn't able to further develop the program meaning it was dormant during the Clinton years. Admit it Bush failed at stopping North Korea like he's failed everything he's touched his whole life
Clinton did not monitor anything NK was doing and continued to give him millions in aid that NK used to develop the nukes they have now you colossal moron. you ignore facts that don't agree with your skewed politics. Saying Bush failed at everything he touched his whole life is comically absurd. He's the president of the united states. what a failure...
Wrong they did not develop any nukes during Clinton's years. They did however receive reactors from Donald Rumsfeld's company. So would this mean Donald Rumsfeld also helped NK get nukes like Rumsfeld helped Saddam get chemical weapons? Yeah he failed at his businesses, his governorship was a joke, and his current administration has been ranked as one of the worst. I'd call that a failure.
The Democrats could have learned one thing from the neo-cons, and that's how to name things.
Why didn't they call this bill The 2007 Support Our Troops Act?
Iraq Accountability Act? That's probably the absolute worse name they could have chosen--as soon as people see the word Accountability, they turn it off.
The media sticks with the accountability, and fails to mention that this is the act that funds and supports our troops.
Bushco can't allow this bill to pass--it bans the 14 permanent bases already in Iraq, including 6 mega-bases with everything from fitness centers to Pizza Huts.
The Bush regime are traitors to America, and they've turned their backs on our troops.
History will prove that Murtha is a lying sack and a totally corrupt disgrace to his office. He is an utter fool. 10 minutes of this idiot is 9:45 too many
history has already proven that the current administration is a total lying sack of shit. No one in the administration is clean. Each one of them have been caught in lie after lie, scandal after scandal.. and you thought life under the clintons was bad
Again more unproven accusations. The woman seems to have recanted her story unlike Margie Shoedinger who filed charges against Bush while he was governor is now dead
Murtha is a bribe taking traitor! Too bad the Republicans don't have the balls to fight back against the liberal's smear tactics. Ann Coulter for president!!!
Kinda hard considering Jack didn't take any bribes during ABSCAM. If you actually watched the full sting video you would see Jack Murtha turning the bribe down. Thanks for playing though. Why don't you stick to real scandals instead of misconstruing or manufacturing them timefortimer
Timefortimer the only one sipping up the kool-aid here seems to be you. You have so far started namecalling without having any facts straight. You straight out said he took a bribe during ABSCAM. This was false now you're saying he's an unindicted co-conspirator. Sounds like you have a tin foil hat on I could say Bush is also an unindicted co-conspirator in 9/11 but wouldn't that make me just as crazy as you?
Rep. Murtha was caught on tape negotiating bribes with Arab sheiks during the FBI's Abscam investigation in 1980. The Abscam investigation was conducted by Jimmy Carter's Justice Department, not right-wing Republicans.
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi
I bet you that quote from pelosi was after Bush brought out exaggerated intelligence before congress. Most of the country believed him when he manufactured intelligence to send us to iraq. What's your point? That pelosi actually believed the president was telling us the whole truth?
So if Bush manufactured intelligence in the US, did he also manufacture it in Britain and Russia, where their governments had the exact same intelligence? The same intelligence the Clinton White House had? Wow, for someone the Dems claim is an 'idiot', that Bush sure must be smart if he can pull that off.
Did you hear about the new agencies that started up called TTIC, and the DHS and also a new post called Director of National Intelligence. At that time the CIA, FBI, DHS, DOD were not working well together. Luckily Bush fixed that. Have you heard of any attacks on our soil? -NO- I didn't think so. Since your pointing fingers, maybe I should also bring up a Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) of August 6, 2001 that clearly shows the Clinton administration knew all about this since 1997.
You act as if the agencies weren't working together because of Clinton? The agencies started that policy after your great republican president Nixon was using them politically. So the beltway sniper and the anthrax mailings dont count as attacks on our soil? Using your same standard from 1993 to 2000 Clinton also avoided further foreign attacks on our soil.
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Treason, a noun; Disloyalty to country; Act of Betrayal..
Democratic Party = Taliban Party
rickyrayyga 4 years ago
The only traitor here is the ass who calls all members of the Democratic Party terrorists.
grazon 4 years ago 3
How does a bribe taking criminal disgrace get to serve in the US House is beyond me. REMEMBER ABSCAM.
dorrk2929 4 years ago
He didn't take a bribe.
grazon 4 years ago
We need to investigate who has defrauded our money. The meny has certainly not gone to the soldiers or to veteran's healthcare. It's time to investigate Cheney and the CEOs from Halliburton and British Petroleum, hm?
QueenJuliana 4 years ago
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind."
The Honorable John Murtha
a1scam 4 years ago
I see you're back to your old craziness scammer. You must be real happy getting a grand endorsement in Iraq by Al-Qaida's number 2 guy. Hey the terrorists talking points match the GOP's talking points now.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
I served in Iraq. I didn't see Murtha when I was there. Maybe he was visiting the other side.
CastorT64 4 years ago
I agree since Murtha only visted American troops you wouldn't have seen him.
grazon 4 years ago
grazon - You have the lamest comebacks.
CastorT64 4 years ago
Oh noooooooooos.
grazon 4 years ago
John "Abscam" Murtha - "Well, I don't want to take a bribe today. How about tomorrow?"
CastorT64 4 years ago
Shake up the political establishment. Restore the constitution, repair foreign policy and bring back monetary sanity. Ron Paul for president spread the word. Go to ronpaul2008,com our liberties are in the balance. This is not part of the official campaign; I'm just a concerned citizen.
Thanks.
Chandlerbin2006 4 years ago
Thank god for Murtha!
eduardo18946 4 years ago
Murtha is clearly displaying with his public rants the backbencher syndrome-meaning if someone is not given their 15 minutes they get frustrated easily-clearly what murtha exhibits
cardsguy76 4 years ago
Yes yes and I'm sure Bush never wanted any attention he was forced to President.
grazon 4 years ago
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid."
and then their is
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind." John Murtha
a1scam 4 years ago
You are the one showing they're weak or timid you have fear of an overwhelming terrorist infiltration force that doesn't exist. Once again Scam you get proven flat out wrong and you revert back to John Murtha not being found guilty during abscam. If anyone is trying to pull a scam it is you
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Do you often troll videos on youtube without making coherant arguments scam or did you just start doing this?
PogueMoran 4 years ago
"The art of war is simple enough. Find out where your enemy is. Get at him as soon as you can. Strike at him as hard as you can and as often as you can, and keep moving on."
a1scam 4 years ago
Ahhh chicken little has returned with more platitudes. Is the sky done falling yet scam? You don't even have a clear defined definition of who the enemy is. You do know that Al Qaida barely makes a percentage of the people we are fighting in Iraq dont you?
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Just go stick your head back in the sand, Pogue. That seems to make you happy, eh? Then, you'll be well prepared when they knock on your door.
a1scam 4 years ago
You're the one sticking your head in the sand hiding from the "big bad terrorists" that don't really exist. Who is they? You sound like a schitzophrenic with your constant references to "they". Do you even know who we are actually fighting scam?
PogueMoran 4 years ago
How do you get by from day to day living in a constant state of fear scam? Didn't the president say that we shouldn't fear and that we should go about our lives and get back to work?
PogueMoran 4 years ago
a1scam 4 years ago
Salt Lake city was domestic terrorism, khobar wasnt US, Paris, USS Cole. Once again Scam how many foreign attacks in the US have occurred over the last 30 years? Even with your short list there that's a 1 in 200 millionth chance you might be a victim of terrorism. The pentagon just released a report debunking the fight them over there so they don't come over here myth.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
"my thoughts kept coming back to the 1930's -- to Manchuria, to Ethiopia, the Rhineland, Austria, and finally Munich.
Here was history repeating itself. Here was another probing action, another testing action. If we let the Republic of Korea go under, some other country would be next, and then another. And all the time, the courage and confidence of the free world would be ebbing away, just as it did in the 1930's."
a1scam 4 years ago
Tell me did communism overtake the world scammer? Are we speaking russian now? Your irrational paranoia is no more based in reality than it was during the cold war. If anything we will be speaking Chinese first as our politicians continue selling America off piece by piece to China.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Well Pogue, it seems we agree that Murtha ia a sleaze. I care when a sleaze has power over my safety and soldiers lives. I don't want my kids to be reading right to left, bottom to top (unless they convert to Judism, that is.)
a1scam 4 years ago
Wow scam talk about total paranoia over something that won't happen. I'll agree Murtha is a sleaze if you would also agree the current administration is equally sleazy. Your kids won't be reading right to left just like your kids aren't speaking russian. You have the same paranoia people used to have about the communists and it is greatly misplaced.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
OK Pogue... Then we agree that John Abscam Murtha ia a sleaze. I do care about sleazes in office making decisions that affect my freedom and soldiers lives.
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind." The Honorable John Murtha
a1scam 4 years ago
How does his decisions affect your freedom? Your freedom has never been under attack by his side. You don't seem to mind trading your freedom for false security so why do you complain about your freedoms now? Yeah God forbid we send our troops into battle fully prepared, fully armed, instead of just sending them out without proper armor and without proper training like whats currently happening.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
The price of freedom is blood. Volunteers are paying that price FOR US every day. His sleazy political tactics -- which you are a sucker for -- are costing people their lives every day by encouraging the enemy to persist in their insanity.
a1scam 4 years ago
Sleazy politics? You still haven't stated what crime Murtha committed during ABSCAM. You're the one who is showing they're a sucker. Scam we haven't fought for our freedom since WW2. Almost every other major war we've been apart of since then has been a stalemate. You're not talking in a reality based world but rather that based on speculation and innuendo. Respond when you can actually speak honestly and accurately
PogueMoran 4 years ago
70 years of freedom in Europe without the price of blood. But Bush had to start a war for no reason and these guys strike back against Spain and Britain. Thank you Bush and thank you to his supporters.
schwirzl 4 years ago
...and know we have more fear and less freedom in Europe. Thank you guys, thank you volunteers.
schwirzl 4 years ago
schwirzl: I am sorry for your family losses defending the Third Reich and vaguely understand your bitterness. I guess this cost the US about 200,000 soldiers to help get Europe free 62 years ago. There have been at least 30 terrorist attacks before 9-11 so you're not seeing anything new. And that's the point: you'll be under Sharia law before too long so you should prepare to defend or convert: the price of freedom is blood.
a1scam 4 years ago
Scam you're talking crazy. You're acting as if these terrorists could pull a "Red Dawn" attack on our country and take it over which is complete paranoia. They wouldn't be able to take over our country no more than the communists did. Tell me how many foreign terrorists attacks we've had in the US over the past 30 years
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Will get back to you later. Happy Easter, eh.
a1scam 4 years ago
not one single islamistic, terrorist attack in Europe, until you guys voted for Bush. Please think about it, NOT A SINGLE ONE in whole Europe since the attack of Turks against Vienna in 1683!!!
schwirzl 4 years ago
a1scam 4 years ago
So Scam how many foreign terrorist attacks have there been in the US over the past 30 years? Most of the terrorist attacks have happened on on our allies who have been fighting terrorists for years and they dont believe they're all going to be under Sharia law. Are all your arguments so specious or just the ones you make on youtube?
PogueMoran 4 years ago
dude, since you love quoting, here's some more:
"war is peace" -> 1984 made real. USA is permanently in need for an enemy to fight and you saying "the price of freedom is blood. Volunteers are paying that price FOR US every day" just proves how deep they stuffed that 'war is peace' reasoning in your brain.
intigfx 4 years ago
Hello int. The USA was attacked on 9/11 by an organized enemy. "The price of freedom is blood" reflects the reality that "some people would prefer to be King of a Dunghill than sharers in the Kingdom of Heaven"... people like Jack Murtha, for example. "War is hateful - slavery is more hateful."
Regards
a1scam 4 years ago
oh yeah, I forgot the religious justification for war, which is even worse. excuse me, but "the kingdom of heaven" isn't a political argument. man, you need to watch something else than fox news and televangelists.
I bet you believe that 9/11 was jointly organized by Iran, Irak, Al-Qaeda, North Korea, Cuba and maybe France altogether.
intigfx 4 years ago
int: "Kingdom of Heaven" is used as a metaphor - a figure of speech in which a term or phrase is applied to something to which it is not literally applicable in order to suggest a resemblance. To put it more simply for you, some people prefer to hurt others, as in 9/11. Usually self defense is regarded as ethically OK, eh? As opposed to ethically challenged...
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind." John Murtha
a1scam 4 years ago
"Usually self defense is regarded as ethically OK" -> so you must admit the war in Iraq is NOT ethically OK.
intigfx 4 years ago
Hi int. Many people will agree with your proposition. The case for war with Iraq rests on the expulsion of UN inspectors. This implies development of nuclear weapons. Otherwise, why would Sadam invite war as he did by this action?
a1scam 4 years ago
come on, do you still believe in those 4-year old WMD lies???
intigfx 4 years ago 3
Int: the point is that Sadam acted like he believed those 4-year old WMD lies by throwing out the UN inspectors, eh.
a1scam 4 years ago
it's amazing how you guys twist events to your convenience in order to justify a war while ignoring other crucial elements; just check Hans Blix. enough said.
intigfx 4 years ago
OK int... what's good old Hans saying these days? He wasn't thrown out?
a1scam 4 years ago
Both Ritter and Blix told us they didn't have weapons and they were villified and ridiculed by people on your side who beat the drums of war. Scammer why should you care what the inspectors said regardless since you guys wanted this war whether the inspectors were there or not. The inspectors were there before the war and found nothing before they were thrown out by Bush.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Invite war? We gave Saddam an ultimatem let the inspectors back in or we'll attack. In 2002 before the war started the inspectors were given access and they weren't finding anything at all. They were then expelled by the Bush Administration as they were set to attack.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Now I understand! You're John Murtha's MOTHER! No wonder. It doesn't matter Pogue! Wake up! NOBODY CARES about this except you & me. If he votes the right way, people accept him or not. I can at least admire his skill at sleaze. You're blind because you're his mom and he can do no wrong. ...pointless arguing with a mother...
a1scam 4 years ago
Wow you've just lowered the debate lower than it was when you first began it. Actually I don't care about this scam as there was no crime committed by Murtha in him turning down the bribe. Why don't you go after Murtha's other problems? Why choose this at this time. I never said he could do no wrong he just didn't show any wrongdoing here and the US Attorney's Office agrees
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Pogue: you're John Murtha's child, right? No excuse. The methods of your disagreement in defense of Murtha are classic obfuscation: accuse the accuser, ignore arguments, change the subject, lots of words.
The reality YOU refuse to admit is Murtha's slithery verbal artistry in Full Abscam Tapes 3 & 4. It's more than getting funds for his district! If you think, "After we've done some business then I might change my mind" is innocent, you are either naïve or disingenuous.
a1scam 4 years ago
You're not talking about reality Scammer you're talking about whatever you want him to mean instead of what he actually meant. Apparently you don't remember how hard the country was hit during the reagan years and how jobs were getting lost in Penn. Your only purpose here is to attack murtha because he came out against the war. Tell me were you complaining 3 years ago about this when Murtha supported the war?
PogueMoran 4 years ago
You're accusing me of being something you're being yourself. You're being totally disingenuous because you're focusing on parts 3 or 4 instead of taking the whole video in context. I notice you avoided the question about whether you knew the difference between stalinism and marxism. Scam fess up here you're the one avoiding the content of this page while pushing yourself all over the map.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
OK Pogue, I get it now: You're taking a course in Marxist-Stalinist rhetoric and you're practicing here on YouTube. Right? Ignore the argument? Accuse the accuser? Very dull stuff. I admit it: Murtha was great on tape. Expert. Want a change?
"Evil unchecked grows. Evil tolerated poisons the whole system."
a1scam 4 years ago
Where do you people come up with this stuff? Its not based in any kind of reality. You accuse people of marxist-stalinist rhetoric because they disagree with you? I bet you can't even define the differences between Marxism and Stalinistic ideology you just throw those words around loosely. You are being sleezy here scam you're avoiding the actual video here and throwing around accusations and rhetoric that cannot be proven.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
If anyone is being stalinistic here wouldn't it be you? You'd throw Murtha in the gulag based on what? He turned down a bribe. The US Attorney's office stated his intent was not devious but you don't care right? You want to attack him because he doesn't think the same way you do right? Yes Evil tolerated poisons the whole system that is why the New Congress is starting to hold hearings and reestablish checks and balances something the republican controlled congress neglected.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Dear Apprentices of Democrat Obfuscation Masters: Shear quantity of words does not change the truth.
CONSTRUE FOR YOURSELVES, FOLKS!
SEARCH YouTube "FULL ABSCAM" especially parts 3 and 4.
"...no crime was committed." A rave review, eh? Watch the commission of sleaze with your very eyes! See how to be foxy and avoid entrapment. Pay attention to a master at work.
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind." John Murtha
a1scam 4 years ago
Repeating the same thing over and over again does not change the truth. You're the one misconstruing everything. Once again the US Attorney's office determined Murtha's intent was to bring money into his district. Since when is trying to bring money into one's district and turning down a bribe a crime?
PogueMoran 4 years ago
You're the only one being sleezy here scam. You're repeating the same thing over and over again as if the sheer quantity of your words makes them any more true than the first time you stated them. He turned down a bribe unlike Cunningham, Noe, Ney and Taft
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Check out this New congress in town Animation
AnyeForti 4 years ago
"...no crime was committed." A rave review for our protagonist.
CONSTRUE FOR YOURSELVES, FOLKS! Search YouTube "full abscam" especially parts 3 and 4. Then, if you still think I'm "misconstrue"ing, I expect you're exactly the right person for those extra Brooklyn Bridges I bought when I was young and... naïve. Reasonable condition. Fair prices considering the potential income. Step Right Up!
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind."
John Murtha
a1scam 4 years ago
You're the exact person who I'm sure looked at the schiavo edits and thought terri schiavo was a fully functional human being as well. Your problem is you'd look at edited videos instead of the full ABSCAM video. I've watched the whole thing. Nowhere does Murtha take a bribe. Last time I checked turning down a bribe does not warrant a crime.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Pay attention to the whole sting video instead of the limited parts you've watched. Why is it that people posted the edited parts on youtube and not the full video? Do you not think that editing the video serves a purpose so people like you can take it out of context. Murtha states that the person should do business in his district before they could talk about any deals to bring in money for projects in the district.
PogueMoran 4 years ago
Nothing Murtha did was illegal. You need to stop manufacturing scandals and focus on real ones like that of Cunninham, Ney, Noe
PogueMoran 4 years ago
I'm sure you think the US Attorney's office was misconstruing his intent when they deemed Murtha's intent was to obtain investment in his district which had been hit hard during the recession. Murtha stated investment oppurtunities could have put 500 to 1000 miners back to work
PogueMoran 4 years ago
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind." The Honorable John Murtha
a1scam 5 years ago
No matter how many times you post this a1 it doesn't make a lick of difference. You can misconstrue his words all you want but no crime was committed.
PogueMoran 5 years ago
As the daughter of a career Marine, one who served in WWI and WWII, and is buried with honors in Arlington Cemetary, I applaud and admire Congressman Murtha, and hope and pray there are sane people listening. I see there are plenty of kooks still praising Bush, but also some sane people who see the light. I will never vote Republican until they change their ways...if ever. "W" has been a catastrophy.
utubersf 5 years ago
THERE IS HOPE FOR US!
kennyedit 5 years ago
"Truth forever on the scaffold, Wrong forever on the throne."
a1scam 5 years ago
a1scam 5 years ago
You guys aren't one to complain about pork when you guys were building bridges to nowhere. This pork is because the republicans left a lot of undone stuff when they lost their majority including budgets and other things
PogueMoran 5 years ago
"Any answer that dishonestly pledged an end to war ... by any imminent, exact date would brand its speaker as a deceiver."
("After we've done some business then I might change my mind." -- Rep. John Murtha)
a1scam 5 years ago
You sure like to use random quotes and yet can't prove a point. You stated Murtha took a bribe during ABSCAM which he did not. Why don't you just come out and tell the truth?
PogueMoran 5 years ago
"After we've done some business then I might change my mind." See for yourself right here on YouTube Abscam.
Rep. John Murtha
a1scam 5 years ago
I've watched the whole video apparently you have not. Where did he take a bribe a1? He said to the guy they should put money into his district he did not take a bribe and the video clearly shows him turning it down. You gotta stop inventing scandals
PogueMoran 5 years ago
"A house divided against itself cannot stand."
a1scam 5 years ago
"Have you forgotten how it felt that day? Too see your homeland under fire and her people blown away... Have you forgotten when those towers fell? We had neighbors still inside going through a living hell..."
a1scam 5 years ago
"Think back for a moment to the 1930's and you will see the difference. The Japanese moved into Manchuria, and free men did not act. The Fascists moved into Ethiopia, and we did not act. The Nazis marched into the Rhineland, into Austria, into Czechoslovakia, and free men were paralyzed for lack of strength and unity of will.
Think about those years of weakness and indecision, and the World War II which was their evil result."
a1scam 5 years ago
Okay so Saddam moved into where and tried to spread what? We acted Saddam was contained there was no need to take further action. So what you just quoted bears no relevance to Iraq. Saddam was no Hitler just as Bush is no FDR or Churchill
PogueMoran 5 years ago
poguemoron, hi, impressive you are really informed, in opposite to these neo-cons. It really makes me sad reading their comments. They just don´t understand that they support the worst president ever. They don´t understand anymore the difference between an aggressive war and WW2. SADSADSAD. Ever Republican president in history was better.
schwirzl 5 years ago
hitler moved into poland citing 'preventive attack' as being 'necessary' for the safety of germany. bin laden wasnt in poland at that time, neither was he in iraq when bush attacked there. as a matter of fact, bin laden was an enemy of iraq. go figure.
rumpole33 5 years ago
"... my thoughts kept coming back to the 1930's -- to Manchuria, to Ethiopia, the Rhineland, Austria, and finally Munich.
Here was history repeating itself. Here was another probing action, another testing action. If we let the Republic of Korea go under, some other country would be next, and then another. And all the time, the courage and confidence of the free world would be ebbing away, just as it did in the 1930's."
a1scam 5 years ago
Conservatives are former liberals who grew up.
thehognias 5 years ago
neo-cons are just facists all grown up.
rumpole33 5 years ago
Why don't we just sit down with al queda and reason with them? Because deep down inside, everyone's a good person, even those who lop off journalist's heads. They're just nice guys underneath it all who are misunderstood. That's what they teach on the Care Bears Cartoon, darn it all to heck, so it must be true.& then after we make peace with radical islamists, we can have tea with a spotted owl, because owls have feelings too. I just love being a liberal. It's so fun!
thehognias 5 years ago
Now you're being totally stupid. Who made the claim we should reason with Al-Qaida? Why don't we actually go after Bin Laden or finish our war in Afghanistan. We brought al-qaida into Iraq not the other way around. Even so Al-Qaida now makes up a small percentage of the insurgency. Most of the fighters are from Iraq
PogueMoran 5 years ago
here is a true story: thehognias votes a bunch of crazy, ignorance, stupid guys. Thes people go into the Iraq just because of their crazyness and are now responsible for the death of 3000 Americans and 100 of thousands of Iraqi. After that thehognias chats on youtube and still doesn´t get it. True story and yet unbelievable.
schwirzl 5 years ago
"The price of freedom is blood."
a1scam
a1scam 5 years ago
Funny how this RETARD blames the Republican PARTY'S failed "War" strategy on the libs. He's clearly pulling answers out of his wretched ass.
ktokusa1 5 years ago
If Iraq is vital to the fate of the U.S. then where is the call for a real surge,a million perhaps? If our survival is hinging on Iraq then surely we can't spare any expense. The troop surge by Bush is a sham. 20,000 is nothing in the scheme of this war but it's enough to get the dems to vote against it so they look weak. 20,000 troops by Bush is a political move.He is using the troops politically "again". I say pressure the neocons for a real troop surge of up to a million then we'll see.
JihadSmurf 5 years ago
I wonder how the UN sanctions on Iran are going to affect the Democratic stance on the war once the Insurgency runs out of funds. I think it's time to go to plan B for the Democrats. It should be as entertaining as Anna Nicole Smith's death.
makeinstall 5 years ago
Sanctions on iran wont affect the insurgency in the slightest. Chances are a lot of the money they have is from the missing 8 billion we lost in Iraq. We spend our money on high tech stuff, navy, air force, etc. The insurgency doesnt have either of these and so they actually can effectively outspend us
PogueMoran 5 years ago
Bush is a war criminal. That's what Bush is. He needs to be impeached, tried and prosecuted.
FarPilot 5 years ago
tcroff, you obviously turned off the news whenever it reported how Bushco shorted the troops.
Watch "Iraq For Sale"
I guess you didn't see the troops confronting Rumsfeld in Iraq about why they don't even have proper armor and his response, "You fight a war with the army you have."
Bushco did not and does not give a damn about the troops.
What Busco cares about is Iraqi oil, contracts for ripping off the American taxpayer, and protecting Israel.
EchelonMonitor 5 years ago
WW2- 405,000 U.S. dead, with 1,465 killed IN ONE DAY. The U.S. can't win a war in modern times thanks to gutless liberals with no balls & no perspective. In this cowardly lib culture we never would have dropped the bomb on the japanese and would have pulled out of WW2. Iraq War- 3,236 US dead. In 2005- 16,885 U.S. citizens died from DRUNK DRIVING.
thehognias 5 years ago
You're comparing WW2 a necessary war to a war of choice? Very thoughtful of you to marginalize the deaths of our brave soldiers overseas to compare it to drunk driving. Way to support the troops asshole
PogueMoran 5 years ago
The comparative death tolls put it in context you douche- we never would have won any wars with this constant bitching by the left. & do you think these lame toothless resolutions that admit defeat and provide aid & comfort to the enemy that House dems waste so much time on help the troops one bit? I bet you sit down during the pledge of allegiance.
thehognias 5 years ago
There is no comparison douche that's like comparing the civil war here to Iraq. You're minimalizing the sacrifices of our troops. We could sit here all day and make stupid comparisons such as the ones below. The aid & comfort bullshit didn't work during vietnam so you can stop with your nonsensical rhetoric. The generals on the ground already believe the surge wont work, how far are you going to exhaust our military before they start pushing back?
PogueMoran 5 years ago
the comparison is to show that liberals are up in arms about deaths when there were more murders in L.A. NYC & Detroit in the last 2 yrs than there's been in the whole Iraq war. you're such an unmitigated limp wrist you turn my stomach.
thehognias 5 years ago
You talk such a big talk for someone not willing to sacrifice your life on the front lines. So not only are you an overt racist but now you're being a bigot as well trying to imply I'm a "faggot" for being realistic and truthful. Once again Jackass you're totally minimalizing the sacrifices of our troops by comparing their deaths to random acts of violence in big cities. Where do you people come up with this stuff?
PogueMoran 5 years ago
you have no idea what i'm willing to do you keyboard tough guy. I never said anything racist (calling someone racist is a tried & true liberal tactic- see the immigration debate) I never implied you were a homosexual. I implied you were weak. As not all homosexuals are weak, you have exposed yourself as the true bigot for making that leap. Wow, does it get any easier being made a fool of? You've had plenty of practice on this board.
thehognias 5 years ago
So you're saying that in the last 2 years there were less deaths in Iraq than those cities? Wow so you must be trying to say those cities have a few thousand deaths a year. Don't quit your day job. Your comparison is utterly stupid as you can't draw the parallels and the numbers per capita don't add up. There are more deaths occuring in Iraq than those three cities combined in the last two years. Good lord. You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
PogueMoran 5 years ago
Wrong again there boyo. Since 2003 Detroit has only had 1,576 people die as a result of homicide or nonnegligent manslaughter. Since 2003 there have been 3,223 US military casaulties and more than 10,000 iraqi civilian and security force deaths since January 2006. Are you always stuck on stupid? You make yourself look like a total asshole when you try to compare the sacrifices our troops make to that of random violence in Detroit.
PogueMoran 5 years ago
Congratulations. Due to the copious amount of time on your hands because as any good democrat you are either unemployed,a weed smoking college kid or supremely wealthy through no effort of your own & out of touch with the working man, you were able to find figures that do nothing to dispute the point, which still remains dems decry war deaths when more deaths take place @ home. thanks for playing.
thehognias 5 years ago
I am neither I'm just well informed something you should try instead of making up such easy to prove false statements. If you're going to state something so imperical at least have the decency to back up the shit you say with proof
PogueMoran 5 years ago
Like I said, the true numbers you found still support my orignial claim. What you're attempting to do is like me saying your argument has no merit simply because you just misspelled 'empirical' as 'imperical'. I'll go ahead & rack that up as another win for me.
thehognias 5 years ago
The true numbers I found support your claim? Are you kidding you haven't been right yet. You said those cities had more deaths in 2 years than Iraq has had. That was BS the stats don't support that. Not only were there more murders in Iraq over since 2003 not only US but civilian casualties but there are also more per capita. I'll rack that up as you not knowing that 3,000 and 10,000 are bigger numbers than 1,500
PogueMoran 5 years ago
Some veteran. Your hatred for Bush has blinded you to the real enemy. Good job.
-A real Veteran
tcroff 5 years ago
Stupid fantasyland dwellers like you have appeased the president and allowed him to be blinded by Iraq and forget the real enemy in Afghanistan. The American people are tired of this boondoggle
PogueMoran 5 years ago
President Eisenhower: "Any answer that dishonestly pledged an end to war in Korea by any imminent, exact date would brand its speaker as a deceiver."
a1scam 5 years ago
this guy
murtha is a nut, and still bitter about losing to bitch pelosi.
capevideo 5 years ago
HAHAHA!!! He didn't lose to Pelosi!
webgeek6 5 years ago
As speaker
capevideo 5 years ago
fat troll go eat a baby
kapwonder 5 years ago
I was in the service when Clinton eliminated our armor and reduced our military. Bush has since fixed what ignorant Democrats had broken. Republicans asked for $2B in armor. The Dems reduced it. The bill includes a 15 day waiting period before ANY military action can take place. Congressional approval before each strike? Seriously? Stop posting comments about a bill you obviously have not read in its entirety. You are what's wrong with this country- not Bush.
tcroff 5 years ago
You get the bullshit post of the day award.
Created another account to post this and make it seem like there were more Bushees than there are?
Your lies and deceptions aren't going to work, Mr. President--go back to playing cowboy.
EchelonMonitor 5 years ago
Idiot. This is the first time I've ever seen YouTube and it's already pissed me off. I created an account so I could tell of stupid people like you.
tcroff 5 years ago
I'd say you're pretty crotchety then. Did you pay attention during the Bush Sr. years? Bush Sr. started those cuts with his state of the union address in 92 on recommendation from Dick Cheney they were talking about cutting the military $50 billion in 5 years. He got rid of many programs during his tenure. Do yourself a favor go back read his SOTU address
PogueMoran 5 years ago
Learn unconventional warfare, buying $2B in armor isn't going to do shit, what you guys really need to do is invest in education because idiotic Americans are a norm on Youtube.
Saleucami 5 years ago
alright then why don't we just send them out without weapons and clothing too if you think armor is such a waste of money learn to support the troops before posting such idiotic shit
PogueMoran 5 years ago
You know i keep hearing all this stuff about clinton and then people talking about Bush going to war with the army he had. Clinton did the same thing. I don't see you whining when Bush Sr. first proposed the military cuts at the end of the cold war. If they were serious about getting the troops armor the republicans would have done it by now
PogueMoran 5 years ago
We did do it. That's why we currently have armor. We need more. Clinton did nothing but lob a couple missiles and try to continue Carter's plan of appeasing North Korea. What cuts did Bush Sr. make exactly? Please enlighten us.
tcroff 5 years ago
Seriously you must be joking? How many detonations did North Korea have during the Clinton Administration? Zero their program was non-existent during the Clinton years. Obviously you were asleep during those years.
PogueMoran 5 years ago
And who did it? Just google:
sold nuclear technology to Iran Rumsfeld
sold nuclear technology to north korea Rumsfeld
EchelonMonitor 5 years ago
Clinton sent Carter to meet with Kim Jong-il and he came back saying Kim had agreed to stop his nuclear weapons development. WRONG. The Clinton appeasement program for North Korea included hundreds of millions of $ in aid, food, oil and even a nuclear reactor.
In return, Kim elected to starve 1 million of his people and use US aid to build uranium bombs.
thehognias 5 years ago
How many new weapons did N. Korea develop during the 90s? 0 how many detonations also 0. Why is it under Bush Jr. he was able to further develop his program while under Clinton it was almost dormant
PogueMoran 5 years ago
by saying he was able to 'further' develop his program, you admit that he was developing it during the clinton years, thus proving my point. thanks dickhead.
thehognias 5 years ago
I said he wasn't able to further develop his program during the Clinton years. My god are you dense. Learn the english language first before trying to debate a topic you know nothing about. What I stated was he wasn't able to further develop the program meaning it was dormant during the Clinton years. Admit it Bush failed at stopping North Korea like he's failed everything he's touched his whole life
PogueMoran 5 years ago
Clinton did not monitor anything NK was doing and continued to give him millions in aid that NK used to develop the nukes they have now you colossal moron. you ignore facts that don't agree with your skewed politics. Saying Bush failed at everything he touched his whole life is comically absurd. He's the president of the united states. what a failure...
thehognias 5 years ago
Wrong they did not develop any nukes during Clinton's years. They did however receive reactors from Donald Rumsfeld's company. So would this mean Donald Rumsfeld also helped NK get nukes like Rumsfeld helped Saddam get chemical weapons? Yeah he failed at his businesses, his governorship was a joke, and his current administration has been ranked as one of the worst. I'd call that a failure.
PogueMoran 5 years ago
The Democrats could have learned one thing from the neo-cons, and that's how to name things.
Why didn't they call this bill The 2007 Support Our Troops Act?
Iraq Accountability Act? That's probably the absolute worse name they could have chosen--as soon as people see the word Accountability, they turn it off.
The media sticks with the accountability, and fails to mention that this is the act that funds and supports our troops.
EchelonMonitor 5 years ago
Bushco can't allow this bill to pass--it bans the 14 permanent bases already in Iraq, including 6 mega-bases with everything from fitness centers to Pizza Huts.
The Bush regime are traitors to America, and they've turned their backs on our troops.
EchelonMonitor 5 years ago
at last some sense in the US politics
taoistfrog 5 years ago
History will prove that Murtha is a lying sack and a totally corrupt disgrace to his office. He is an utter fool. 10 minutes of this idiot is 9:45 too many
dougt02 5 years ago
history has already proven that the current administration is a total lying sack of shit. No one in the administration is clean. Each one of them have been caught in lie after lie, scandal after scandal.. and you thought life under the clintons was bad
PogueMoran 5 years ago
I'm sure life under Clinton was pretty bad for the woman he raped back in Arkansas.
TimeForTimer 5 years ago
Again more unproven accusations. The woman seems to have recanted her story unlike Margie Shoedinger who filed charges against Bush while he was governor is now dead
PogueMoran 5 years ago
Murtha is a bribe taking traitor! Too bad the Republicans don't have the balls to fight back against the liberal's smear tactics. Ann Coulter for president!!!
univerted 5 years ago
People like you deserve Ann Coulter for President... I am speechless, don;t know what to say to a retard
sam5271 5 years ago
Don't know what to say to a retard? Perhaps I can help. Simply look into the nearest mirror and speak.
That wasn't so hard now, was it?
TimeForTimer 5 years ago
ABSCAM Jackie!!
Taken any bribes lately, ya sack of shit?
TimeForTimer 5 years ago
Kinda hard considering Jack didn't take any bribes during ABSCAM. If you actually watched the full sting video you would see Jack Murtha turning the bribe down. Thanks for playing though. Why don't you stick to real scandals instead of misconstruing or manufacturing them timefortimer
PogueMoran 5 years ago
Yeah, unindicted co-conspirator has a nice ring to it.
Keep gunning the kool-aid, Pogue.
TimeForTimer 5 years ago
Timefortimer the only one sipping up the kool-aid here seems to be you. You have so far started namecalling without having any facts straight. You straight out said he took a bribe during ABSCAM. This was false now you're saying he's an unindicted co-conspirator. Sounds like you have a tin foil hat on I could say Bush is also an unindicted co-conspirator in 9/11 but wouldn't that make me just as crazy as you?
PogueMoran 5 years ago
Preach it, Jack!
fishhead06 5 years ago
Support our troops and send them home. Sen. George Mitchell for President!
pongman 5 years ago
Congress does have a heart afterall...
MYPanicAttack 5 years ago
murtha should be hanged for treason.
Rep. Murtha was caught on tape negotiating bribes with Arab sheiks during the FBI's Abscam investigation in 1980. The Abscam investigation was conducted by Jimmy Carter's Justice Department, not right-wing Republicans.
madbradwilson 5 years ago
History will prove Murtha correct! Lives will be saved if we listen to this man!
PackedFunk 5 years ago
Who's lives?
makeinstall 5 years ago
There aren't any Spartans in the demacratic party!
EmergingGrub 5 years ago
LOSER & TRAITER
Grow up people!
EmergingGrub 5 years ago
I will grow up when you go get educated
sam5271 5 years ago
"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." Rep. Nancy Pelosi
makeinstall 5 years ago
OUCH
EmergingGrub 5 years ago
I bet you that quote from pelosi was after Bush brought out exaggerated intelligence before congress. Most of the country believed him when he manufactured intelligence to send us to iraq. What's your point? That pelosi actually believed the president was telling us the whole truth?
PogueMoran 5 years ago
So if Bush manufactured intelligence in the US, did he also manufacture it in Britain and Russia, where their governments had the exact same intelligence? The same intelligence the Clinton White House had? Wow, for someone the Dems claim is an 'idiot', that Bush sure must be smart if he can pull that off.
thehognias 5 years ago
Russia was also one of many countries that tried to warn us about an attack early in the BushCo administration.
And what happened? Nothing. Strong on defense my ass.
webgeek6 5 years ago
Did you hear about the new agencies that started up called TTIC, and the DHS and also a new post called Director of National Intelligence. At that time the CIA, FBI, DHS, DOD were not working well together. Luckily Bush fixed that. Have you heard of any attacks on our soil? -NO- I didn't think so. Since your pointing fingers, maybe I should also bring up a Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) of August 6, 2001 that clearly shows the Clinton administration knew all about this since 1997.
makeinstall 5 years ago
You act as if the agencies weren't working together because of Clinton? The agencies started that policy after your great republican president Nixon was using them politically. So the beltway sniper and the anthrax mailings dont count as attacks on our soil? Using your same standard from 1993 to 2000 Clinton also avoided further foreign attacks on our soil.
PogueMoran 5 years ago