Im thinking of buying one of these dawn of war games, iv got winter assult, dar crusade and Soulstorm, which one should I get, Retribution or chaos rising ?
@NemesisMarine01 Chaos Rising is an expansion to DoW-2, but Retribution is supposed to be a stand alone game by itself.
Retribution also has a single player campaign that is playable as any race, not just Space Marines like the other games. Unfortunately, that also means the campaign is somewhat generic, as it has to fit all the races, and not be tailor made for the Marines.
@comedodesalsicha im thinking the same, the tau are gone and unless the incredibly overpowered necrons are as well i dont rly want the game. the tau were the only ones i could actually fight necrons with.
@comedodesalsicha It is an excellent game, even tough I became eagger to play any other race, for me is like eating a hamburguer without meat and without cheese , it is a hamburguer, without meat and cheese
most original military space-themed science fiction stuff was published in the first half of the 1900s, before man even landed on the moon. Pretty much everything since then has been built off of those ideas. I wouldn't call it copying, every idea gets inspiration from somewhere (just as those original works got inspiration from the space race of the cold war). Heinlein published Starship Troopers in 1959, both 40k and Starcraft pretty much owe what they have to that.
I think the point to be recognized is "Humans in space fighting aliens" Isn't really anyone's idea. It's highly likely upon invention of space travel/rockets it surely fell more into a more feasible realm.. as one would imagine. Ideas of demons and other beasts are centuries old, even millenias. But as far as an original GAME incorporating and condensing them into one package Warhammer is out on top, I believe.
@Superviolenza It depends on how one defines 'copycat.' Again, I have never meant to say that WH plagiarized anything; though WH's Chaos borderlines on plagiarism of 'Elric of Melniboné' saga's Chaos, but whatever. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'll say it again: it irks me how everyone accuses Warcraft/Starcraft of ripping off Warhammer while forgetting that WH is mostly guilty of the very same thing. Do people forget that there was Fantasy and Sci-fi before 1983 and 1987?
@Superviolenza Games Workshop invented the story, 'Black Library', from what I gather, publishes novels and whatnot set in the 40K universe. Even then, it does so with the knowledge and authorization of Games Workshop(surely, GW wouldn't let them publish just anything), so there's hardly any difference. Ultimately, the point was that WH, just like virtually any other work, drew (heavy) inspiration from works that came before it. Be it a game, a movie, a book; doesn't matter.
@Superviolenza Actually, the first edition 'Rogue Trader' had background storyline. Sure, it wasn't as fleshed out as it now, but that's natural. As for the rest of that, I'm not sure how is that relevant. 40K is what it is now and the story was written/authorized by Games Workshop, not the fans or some independent authors. Ultimately, it's not just 40K we're talking about, but the original Warhammer Fantasy Battle as well.
@Superviolenza Let me get this straight... for example, by your logic, a book cannot influence a movie, a movie cannot influence a video game, etc? If so, then I'm sorry, but that's just crazy and makes no sense whatsoever.
i cant believe everyone is arguing over this. If you want to get bitchy GW have begged borrowed and stoling every idea ever concieved by anyone dating back to the begining of time, just like everyone does. I love the hobby and defend its right to do so, we get inspiration from past exploits and build upon them to create our own twist. Small minded freaks get uptight about this, if GW were plagiarising do you not think they would have been stopped by now
@decrithius You're completely right. I regret the usage of the word "rip-off" to describe WH40K as it implies something akin to downright plagiarism. I never meant to say that WH40K plagiarized anything, just that it borrowed(sometimes quite heavily) from works that came before it. Then again, the same thing applies to Starcraft/Warcraft. I just find it annoying how everyone seems to forget that WH isn't exactly original while accusing Blizzard of ripping off.
@vycka1234 I totally agree, whats i have just said also applies to anyone who says another company has copied GW. Ideas cannot be copyrighted, only the product of the idea and the simbolisation it produces. It is not wrong for two three four or more componies to use the same ideas to create something just so long as there is enough distinguishing features to make them unique. Ill bet at the end of the day if you dig deep enough you will find a link between each company anyway
@vycka1234 you're basically saying that if someone has already used it, anyone that has used that idea has ripped off it and copied it, that's stupid, people can build off past ideas and make them unique, but that doesn't neccesarily mean it is plagiarism- that is what entertainment today is based off of, building off of past ideas to make something unique -derp!
@israelowns12 I never said it was plagiarism(maybe except for Chaos), but ideas have to come from someone. In that sense, it is kind of copying. I agree with you on how entertainment is and I never said that taking someone else's ideas and building on them is a bad thing(it's done all the time). My original post was on how I thought it was frustrating seeing people constantly accuse Blizzard of copying Warhammer, despite the fact that Games Workshop did the very same thing.
@vycka1234 ah, well it seems i am the wrong one here - i apologize for being a douche XD as to your remark on the annoyance of people blasting blizz about war 40k, its just fanboys lol i play starcraft and war 40k and they are different in so many ways ....
@DrMlieko Ha, you must be psychic or something. I was going to mention the Elric of Melniboné cycle as having some very obvious and strong influences on WH, especially Chaos/Daemons. Dune is another obvious one, naturally.
@Superviolenza "Dude, you are an idiot" is about as a compelling of an argument as "The UK hardly pay attention to Star Wars or Starship troopers," which is to say not very compelling at all. We're not talking about the UK at large, anyway. I dare you to find a sci-fi writer(including the people who came up with WH40K) from the UK who is not familiar with Robert A. Heinlein or Star Wars. And I believe you have those figures backwards: it's 90% rip-off and 10% original.
personally who gives a fuck lol, instead commention on this to show people how stupid you are just enjoy the vid, if you like starcraft aight play that shit and dont comment, second "starship troopers" big fucking deal wana really get technical how about they stole their ideas from people that came up with the idea of aliens :-P, nothing is original just like different. but to comment on starcraft and wow yeah ripoff ^.^
@TheChowder09 Not really, Starship Troopers came out 20 years before the original Alien. You are right though, hardly anything is original and it's mostly all been done before, and I'm sure Starship Troopers is no exception.
@Superviolenza I wasn't talking about "Starship Troopers" the 1997 movie, but "Starship Troopers" the 1959 book on which the movie was loosely based on. Spending a couple of minutes on Wikipedia or Google would not hurt before accusing someone of being high. Though I can understand, 99% of people will think of the movie rather than the book when they hear 'Starship Troopers.' At any rate, Starship Troopers is only one of the many works WH hacked off.
@CBJM0277 No Victory Points and Running are in the full edition of the table top rules, which also came before Starcraft. THQ inputs stuff from the rules such as cover, suppression, etc.
@StarSpawn06 Oh. Well yes. But consider Games Workshop started in England, though i am not sure where Starship Troopers was first published. And then there might be the fact that John Peake (founder of GW and creater of the original lore [Deceased]) read it.
@vycka1234 Well consider this. Warhammer Fantasy came out before Starship Troopers. If you look carefully (and some are easily spotted) the factions in 40k are evolutions of the ones in Fantasy. They had no need to rip off other stuff.
In example:Bretonnians(Spelled Wrong) = Space Marines
The Empire = Imperial Guard
High Elves = Eldar
Dark Elves = Dark Eldar
Orc and Goblins = Orks
Vampire Counts = Blood Angels (Arguably)
Tomb Kings = Necrons
Chaos Daemons = Chaos Daemons (No Dur) and so on...
@Armegdonz No, it didn't. Starship Troopers predate WH/40K and even Games Workshop by decades. Believe me, WH/40K begged, borrowed and outright stole from many, many works that came before it. Not like it's a bad thing(it's done all the time), but the idea that WH is some kind of a gushing fountain of originality is a bit irritating. Everyone always remembers that Starcraft/Warcraft ripped off WH, but no one seems to remember that WH ripped off other works just as readily.
@vycka1234 Although Warhammer 40k stole a lot from Starship Troopers and such, no other gaming universe I know has ever combined so many aspects of it's borrowed lore in such an amazingly fitting fashion...
@vycka1234 WH40K was manly inspired by the original WH tabletop game and just took nearly all the factions of that into the year 40.000. Warhammer was inspired by Lord of the Rings, just like every other fantasy game/book/world with orks, elves etc.. I dont think 40k was ever really inspired by Starship troopers, but it was probably tolkien the genius who invented this whole fantasy genre off which many new worlds were created. I think they copied ALIEN when they created the tyranids.
@MasterOfWololooo While it's true that a lot of it comes from Tolkien, but a good chunk (especially the sci-fi stuff) comes from other works. Works like Starship Troopers(the book!), Dune, Alien etc.
@vycka1234 There is a big difference between "Inspired in" and "copied from". If you make a movie "inspired in" the barbaric tribes of the past in humanity, is not the same of making a movie "copied from" another movie of barbaric tribes.
GW may have been inspired by movies and books, but they turned it into a tabletop game in the first place, or PC games. Blizzard copied ideas FROM videogames TO MAKE videogames.
Learn the difference: Inspired in =/= copied from.
@Eobryne Far be it from me to say where exactly inspiration ends and copying begins, but Warhammer has done both, just like Blizzard. There's not much difference between GW and Blizzard when it comes to that. Also, GW weren't the first to make a tabletop game or video games based on that, so I'm not really sure what you're trying to say by that. Once more, I'm not talking about the medium. Does it really matter whether you copy a book to make a game or copy a game to make another game?
@vycka1234 not that i don't agree with you, but they ripped em off so well, that what they made was awesome, starship trooper, looks silly standing next to the imperial guard and the tyranids. they did a great job there. Not to mention they ripped off the great crusades with their space marines and Tau, nothing says crusade like purging a system of aliens because they think differently
@Playologygames I suppose it all comes down to what one defines as "copying", but from my point of view, WH40 copied quite a bit and so did Warhammer Fantasy Battle.
@RewdAwakening Considering Starship Troopers came out in 1959 and Space Hulk in 1989... Anyway, Space Hulk was a rather shameless knock off of Alien/Aliens, even the creators admitted it.
This is completely true, but you need to remember that people get confused with gamesworkshop's story of WH being so old that they think it's the original. After all, I still hear people think it all started in the 70's or something when in fact the man who started the story before gamesworkshop existed started it in the mid 1930's.
@vycka1234 just a novel - are you saying that the way he described "the bugs" in the novel look exactly how the tyranid look? no, it's called an imagination and what your basically saying is anything in any other videogame resembling large insectoid creatures has been stolen from starship troopers ... thats kinda ignorant, but i do agree its had influences but it has not "begged and pleaded" or ripped off ideas from other works, maybe you need to check out wikipedia
@israelowns12 I didn't say anything about the Bugs. I guess the Tyranids are more of a combination of the Bugs and Xenomorphs. At any rate, when I said Starship Troopers, I had the Mobile Infantry and the Terran Federation in mind rather than the Bugs. How is that ignorant? Heinlein's works influenced many, many, MANY things. I mean, the guy basically came up and defined the whole Space Marine trope. And yes, WH begged and borrowed quite a bit. Not just from Starship Troopers, obviously.
Very true- except Warhammer, like Warcraft and Starcraft, has become its own entity. True, it used themes from numerous works- and it knew this and has never really denied it- as we see in the very many tongue-in-cheek references in Rogue Trader. But, the Warhammer story has become its own- the interactions between races and what the Universe has become is very much unique.
@vycka1234 Also...Laserburn...one of the "many works" that paved the creation of the "Space Marines" as a whole chapter and not just the standard Mk. VII Power Armor they wear...
@JadenKy Never heart of Laserburn until now, but apparently the same guy who created it later joined Games Workshop and helped create WH40K. Good find anyhow.
@mindarinas I'm not saying it's all similar, but Starship Troopers certainly has similar aspects that 40K borrowed from it. For example: super-elite soldiers in power armour serving a fascist, xenophobic Human government, wielding a wide variety of weapons, jump-packs, etc. Basically Space Marines without the monastic aspect. The Bugs/Arachnids also have similarities with the Tyranids.
P.S. I am talking about Starship Troopers the book, not the movie. They are quite different.
@vycka1234 What people don't get is that art, and in this case games, is a way for people to express their ideas and make tons of money along the way. People take inspiration from art and mold it with their own ideas to give new forms. Warhammer gives its own perspective for gamers just as Starcraft and all the rest did.
@vycka1234 Its not that. Warhammer created modern Space Marines, you know....Power armored badasses? Starship Troopers may be called Space Marines but basically are like the Imperial Guards
-Imperial Guard was based of the Soviet WWII army
-The concept of the Space Marine was original, but the name wasnt
-Elves are from mythology
-Orks might also have the same name as Orcs in LotR, but the Orcs in LotR are very different from those massive bulky green people.
@999cheetos999 Space Marines as super-elite soldiers in power armour, wielding all manners of different weapons, jump packs, serving a fascist, xenophobic human government, and generally being small armies unto themselves didn't originate in 40K. It arguably did in Starship Troopers, though it wasn't the first instance of space marines in fiction either.
@vycka1234 Im a fan of Starship troopers but Ive never seen the similarity between it and Warhammer 40k. Ive been a fan of it ever since, since the main character is the same nationality as me. I was pertaining to the uniqueness of the Warhammer franchise, I mean without them who pretty much placed Orcs and Elves in space. Also, Warhammer 40k isnt centered on Space Marines anyway, but mostly the Imperium as a whole, usually the Imperial Guard, the REAL and ONLY humans in the WH40K universe
There are some similarities, mainly between the Mobile Infantry and the Space Marines, and, to some extent, between the Arachnids and the Tyranids. That was one of the points of the post you originally replied to. I was replying to some guy who claimed that Starship Troopers ripped off 40K, telling him that it's the other way around. It's hard to compare 40K to any other universe, because 40K is like a patchwork of many different works of fiction, though its individual aspects are hardly unique.
@vycka1234 that is arrogant - i dunno but i never knew super soldiers, who only knew duty and war, implanted w/ a buncha different organs at the age of 10 existed in starship troopers.... with thick ceramite armor.... and when you say they ripped off ideas it means they copied it to the last word, but they haven't done that - they've taken ideas changed them slightly and built off them
@israelowns12 Altering some relatively minor details doesn't make it any less of a rip off. Super-elite soldiers in power armour serving a fascist, xenophobic Terran government, wielding a wide variety of weapons, jump-packs, etc. I am not saying it's plagiarism, but it's a rather obvious knock off.
Now if you want to see a true rip off in WH40K, look no further than the whole concept of Chaos in the Eternal Champion series by Michael Moorcock. It was basically copied verbatim.
@Cammando583 Tau lost all of their holding gained in their last sphere of expansion when the Imperium finally had a chance to focus more time and attention on them, they will die, young and exuberant yes, Technologically sophisticated yes, numbers to match them full might of the Imperium not likely
@blackxx5 the problem is that they are a small empire on the eastern fringe and on top of that they have relatively primitive warp drives so they can only make small jumps from place to place making it only possible to strike on worlds close to their empire
Warhammer came out in 83, warhammer 40k came out in 87. Warcraft was early 90s. Warhammer was first, done. I cant wait till they add the Necrons to Dawn of War 2/ =)
Starcraft is only gaming legend because of how well Blizzard marketeted a Warhammer 40k ripoff using their good name (from ripping off Warhammer with Warcraft). Great games, massive ripoffs. Deal with it nerds.
@Scorponizer because fanboys are debating which series stole from the other. Or in other words its MY CHOICE IS BETTER! Basically the exact same thing as with religion vs religion and xbox 360 vs ps3
@kingofnee religious disputes are like ps3 vs XBOX 360 and Starcraft vs Warhammer 40k. Sadly you're probably right in the devotion and fervor of the those who take sides.
@xXEviLIntenTXx starcraft and warcraft were projects commisioned by gamesworkshop but the developer working on it lost the license so they b became the games they are today. fail move by gw tbh.
space marines would destroy terren. One terren manrine can get killed by almost anything. There is no match hands down. 1 space marine is meant to conquer worlds on his own. There is probably 1 space marine for every billion orks or tyranids in 40k universe. Terren are just men put into futuristic armour. Space marines are literaly superhuman. Created from an immortal. SC is still prety fun to play though.
@jellomanjello yo dude. well umm how dude i say this shut the fuck up. that is a unforgivable hyperbol even marine players are like 'ummmmmmmmmm nope' a squad of warriors vs a squad of marines i have seen to be a close battle so ummmmmm WTF NO
@jellomanjello yo dude. well umm how dude i say this shut the fuck up. that is a unforgivable hyperbole even marine players are like 'ummmmmmmmmm nope' a squad of warriors vs a squad of marines i have seen to be a close battle so ummmmmm WTF NO
and the Tyranids are pretty much a rip off from the Alien series (genestealers are pretty much Xenomorphs) add in there a touch of Starship troopers (the book not the movie) and a few other Sci fi Ideas and voila, the Tyranids. I love 40K but they did do a fair amount of pillaging from other great Sci Fi works....
@ReconUnitZero Im wondering that, it says on wiki (not the most reliable souce, i know) that its stand alone and includes every army (unlike DC that needed the others for more armys).... which brings up another question, is there any point in buying the old games? i guess you get dif campaigns if you do, but will it have the units chaos rising added?
@Lightscribe225 Ohhh i didnt realise in dark crusade you could play as all the races O.o oops my bad... is it only the campaigns that are different then? because only reason i tought you could play as only tau and necron if you had only dark crusade, was it comes bundled with the others.. seems abit pointles to me... :P
@sean123h No the thing with Dark Crusade, you needed the others if you wanted to play the other races in multiplayer. The Campaigns in Dark Crusade are mostly fought in skirmish-esque matches until you reach the base of enemy commanders. In Retribution, I dunno, they say each one will have its own unique campaign but Relic is really pushing it if they want to meet the deadline.
@Lightscribe225 Ohhhhh right, thanks. Think ill just buy this when in comes out, if i need the others for more multiplayer races might aswell see if i like the game 1st :P
Can someone help me? I never pre-ordered off Steam before, but theres this pre-order bonus where you get to choose an equipment pack for one race or something for this game, but if I pre order off Steam is it ONLY downloadable, or could I get a hard copy? The pre order packs look cool, but I have the whole DoW series on hard copy so far so yea lol.
@Zechs121 Damn......well do you know any other store that gives you pre order packs? I know that Steam isnt the only one because it said just the Ork pack was Steam- only :P
@pricture all depends on your local store mate but from what i can gather tyranid is THQ only and orc is STEAM only so stores will probably have a random one, so check your store first to see what they sell :)
@Zechs121 Ok well I checked out all the stores nearby, but none of them even had the game to pre order lol, so I checked THQ which also only had it to download, so I just decided to pre order the collectors- hard copy from them. XP
@earthbenderguard I know! And theres a bonus pack for them if you pre order it from Steam! Btw, do you paint Warhammer, if you do what race? I'm guessing I.G like I do right? :D
ok i dont mean to sound like a prick or anything but if the humans have space age tech and aurelia is haveing a war every year or so dont you think that there would be some way of seeing wether or not the tyranoids were building a base or not
Everyone's got it all wrong! Warhammer came out along time ago, Warcraft/ World of Warcraft was first a copy off of the tabletop fantasy hobby. Warcraft/ World of Warcraft had to change all the names and everything since it was a copy. Then came a sci-fi tabletop hobby which was Warhammer 40,000. Blizzard also copied that with Starcraft, they even stole some of Games Workshop's writers to help. I don't see why you would play Starcraft when you could play Dawn of War.
the campaign imo sucked ass heavily, it was basically copy paste except for tyranid which had to go planet to planet
ChaosMugetsu 3 days ago
im downloading the game atm and who should i play 1st?chaos or tyranid?
Voltage98ify 3 weeks ago
This game makes me want to force blizzard to make an fps version of starcraft xD
Migelle101 3 months ago
why is this flagged inapropriate
Pigsquealhiggns 5 months ago
Im thinking of buying one of these dawn of war games, iv got winter assult, dar crusade and Soulstorm, which one should I get, Retribution or chaos rising ?
NemesisMarine01 5 months ago
@NemesisMarine01 Chaos Rising is an expansion to DoW-2, but Retribution is supposed to be a stand alone game by itself.
Retribution also has a single player campaign that is playable as any race, not just Space Marines like the other games. Unfortunately, that also means the campaign is somewhat generic, as it has to fit all the races, and not be tailor made for the Marines.
weirdguy564 5 months ago
And W40k obviously ripped off Star Trek because there's space in it.
gigadrillfabulous 6 months ago
will not buy a warhammer game until tau is available... it sucks to be waiting fot the greatest race to be playable
ustag88 7 months ago
@ustag88 Greatest race? The Tau are a bunch of weaboo Buddhist fags. Screw them and their faux-Asian accents.
Azadeth666 7 months ago
@ustag88 So your gonna lose a whole massive super nice game experience just because of a race that is not available? Damn man.
comedodesalsicha 7 months ago
@comedodesalsicha im thinking the same, the tau are gone and unless the incredibly overpowered necrons are as well i dont rly want the game. the tau were the only ones i could actually fight necrons with.
Stingray767 7 months ago
@Stingray767 Well there is no necrons in any of the DOW2 yet, but we never know, hopefully they can bring Necrons and Tau back.
comedodesalsicha 7 months ago
@comedodesalsicha It is an excellent game, even tough I became eagger to play any other race, for me is like eating a hamburguer without meat and without cheese , it is a hamburguer, without meat and cheese
ustag88 7 months ago
It just showed me the trailer I was going to watch after this... handy.
Mavrick775 8 months ago
most original military space-themed science fiction stuff was published in the first half of the 1900s, before man even landed on the moon. Pretty much everything since then has been built off of those ideas. I wouldn't call it copying, every idea gets inspiration from somewhere (just as those original works got inspiration from the space race of the cold war). Heinlein published Starship Troopers in 1959, both 40k and Starcraft pretty much owe what they have to that.
CLANGxx 8 months ago
No offence but did anyone else find the game a major disappointment when all the campaigns were the same maps with the same voices?
10012jman 9 months ago
Oh, the hive lord first three words, how cute...
tulkasainur 9 months ago
Wtb DeathKorps Skin for Ig
TheSkouge 10 months ago
18 people are consumed by the Tyrannids
godzillamon 10 months ago
I think the point to be recognized is "Humans in space fighting aliens" Isn't really anyone's idea. It's highly likely upon invention of space travel/rockets it surely fell more into a more feasible realm.. as one would imagine. Ideas of demons and other beasts are centuries old, even millenias. But as far as an original GAME incorporating and condensing them into one package Warhammer is out on top, I believe.
gator357 11 months ago
Now they've added the Tyranids ... great, now my Imperial Guards can get owned in Reality AND on my Laptop ;p
Elzebub666 11 months ago
@Elzebub666
i know how you feel T.T
MainFist 10 months ago
It's said most people don't even realize that WH40K was a board game first, and that most most certainly haven't heard of WH.
JosefKofsky 11 months ago
tyranids are the BEST!!!!
darkismypassion 11 months ago
AvP Anyone?
Techn0Dtragon 11 months ago
were are the necrons sisters of battle dark eldar, tau empire i havent seen those in the whole dow2 =-( lets hope they come back in dow3 :P
GamerJer 11 months ago
tyranid are my fav:X
darkismypassion 11 months ago
@Superviolenza Hehe. Halo certainly did its fair share of borrowing, but that's a story for another day.
vycka1234 11 months ago
@vycka1234 ya great game tho because i typed in halo flood and a picture of a tyrind popped up
Jacob1232100 11 months ago
@Superviolenza It depends on how one defines 'copycat.' Again, I have never meant to say that WH plagiarized anything; though WH's Chaos borderlines on plagiarism of 'Elric of Melniboné' saga's Chaos, but whatever. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I'll say it again: it irks me how everyone accuses Warcraft/Starcraft of ripping off Warhammer while forgetting that WH is mostly guilty of the very same thing. Do people forget that there was Fantasy and Sci-fi before 1983 and 1987?
vycka1234 11 months ago
@Superviolenza Games Workshop invented the story, 'Black Library', from what I gather, publishes novels and whatnot set in the 40K universe. Even then, it does so with the knowledge and authorization of Games Workshop(surely, GW wouldn't let them publish just anything), so there's hardly any difference. Ultimately, the point was that WH, just like virtually any other work, drew (heavy) inspiration from works that came before it. Be it a game, a movie, a book; doesn't matter.
vycka1234 11 months ago
@Superviolenza Actually, the first edition 'Rogue Trader' had background storyline. Sure, it wasn't as fleshed out as it now, but that's natural. As for the rest of that, I'm not sure how is that relevant. 40K is what it is now and the story was written/authorized by Games Workshop, not the fans or some independent authors. Ultimately, it's not just 40K we're talking about, but the original Warhammer Fantasy Battle as well.
vycka1234 11 months ago
@Superviolenza Let me get this straight... for example, by your logic, a book cannot influence a movie, a movie cannot influence a video game, etc? If so, then I'm sorry, but that's just crazy and makes no sense whatsoever.
vycka1234 11 months ago
@Superviolenza
And you are completely missing the point
Settings are not restricted to a medium
DrMlieko 11 months ago
@Superviolenza
way too many very specific similarities for it to be coincidence
DrMlieko 11 months ago
i cant believe everyone is arguing over this. If you want to get bitchy GW have begged borrowed and stoling every idea ever concieved by anyone dating back to the begining of time, just like everyone does. I love the hobby and defend its right to do so, we get inspiration from past exploits and build upon them to create our own twist. Small minded freaks get uptight about this, if GW were plagiarising do you not think they would have been stopped by now
decrithius 11 months ago 12
@decrithius You're completely right. I regret the usage of the word "rip-off" to describe WH40K as it implies something akin to downright plagiarism. I never meant to say that WH40K plagiarized anything, just that it borrowed(sometimes quite heavily) from works that came before it. Then again, the same thing applies to Starcraft/Warcraft. I just find it annoying how everyone seems to forget that WH isn't exactly original while accusing Blizzard of ripping off.
vycka1234 11 months ago
@vycka1234 I totally agree, whats i have just said also applies to anyone who says another company has copied GW. Ideas cannot be copyrighted, only the product of the idea and the simbolisation it produces. It is not wrong for two three four or more componies to use the same ideas to create something just so long as there is enough distinguishing features to make them unique. Ill bet at the end of the day if you dig deep enough you will find a link between each company anyway
decrithius 11 months ago
@vycka1234 you're basically saying that if someone has already used it, anyone that has used that idea has ripped off it and copied it, that's stupid, people can build off past ideas and make them unique, but that doesn't neccesarily mean it is plagiarism- that is what entertainment today is based off of, building off of past ideas to make something unique -derp!
israelowns12 7 months ago
@israelowns12 I never said it was plagiarism(maybe except for Chaos), but ideas have to come from someone. In that sense, it is kind of copying. I agree with you on how entertainment is and I never said that taking someone else's ideas and building on them is a bad thing(it's done all the time). My original post was on how I thought it was frustrating seeing people constantly accuse Blizzard of copying Warhammer, despite the fact that Games Workshop did the very same thing.
vycka1234 7 months ago
@vycka1234 ah, well it seems i am the wrong one here - i apologize for being a douche XD as to your remark on the annoyance of people blasting blizz about war 40k, its just fanboys lol i play starcraft and war 40k and they are different in so many ways ....
israelowns12 7 months ago
@israelowns12 Ahh, it's alright. I myself thought that using the word 'ripoff' wasn't entirely correct. But anyway, was nice talking to you.
vycka1234 7 months ago
@Superviolenza
Actually, Warhammer is a blatant copy of the Elric of Melnibone novels by Michael Moorcock and Frank Herbert's Dune saga
DrMlieko 11 months ago
@DrMlieko Ha, you must be psychic or something. I was going to mention the Elric of Melniboné cycle as having some very obvious and strong influences on WH, especially Chaos/Daemons. Dune is another obvious one, naturally.
vycka1234 11 months ago 2
@vycka1234
Yes, many of the dominant aspects of the Warhammer franchise can be tracked down to these works
The Elric saga basically introduces the forces of Chaos, the Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Dark Elves generally
Dune contains the basis for the Space Marines, Sisters of Battle, Tech-Priests, navigators, the warp, Necrons, and the God Emperor of Mankind
The rest is taken from more mainstream resources like Lord of the Rings, and Starship Troopers
DrMlieko 11 months ago
@Superviolenza "Dude, you are an idiot" is about as a compelling of an argument as "The UK hardly pay attention to Star Wars or Starship troopers," which is to say not very compelling at all. We're not talking about the UK at large, anyway. I dare you to find a sci-fi writer(including the people who came up with WH40K) from the UK who is not familiar with Robert A. Heinlein or Star Wars. And I believe you have those figures backwards: it's 90% rip-off and 10% original.
vycka1234 11 months ago
personally who gives a fuck lol, instead commention on this to show people how stupid you are just enjoy the vid, if you like starcraft aight play that shit and dont comment, second "starship troopers" big fucking deal wana really get technical how about they stole their ideas from people that came up with the idea of aliens :-P, nothing is original just like different. but to comment on starcraft and wow yeah ripoff ^.^
TheChowder09 11 months ago
@TheChowder09 Not really, Starship Troopers came out 20 years before the original Alien. You are right though, hardly anything is original and it's mostly all been done before, and I'm sure Starship Troopers is no exception.
vycka1234 11 months ago
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TheChowder09 11 months ago
@Superviolenza I'm sorry, but the idea of "Sci-fi super soldier" was around WAY before WH40K or even Games Workshop.
vycka1234 11 months ago
@Superviolenza I wasn't talking about "Starship Troopers" the 1997 movie, but "Starship Troopers" the 1959 book on which the movie was loosely based on. Spending a couple of minutes on Wikipedia or Google would not hurt before accusing someone of being high. Though I can understand, 99% of people will think of the movie rather than the book when they hear 'Starship Troopers.' At any rate, Starship Troopers is only one of the many works WH hacked off.
vycka1234 11 months ago
The Tyranids: They have puking buildings.
Voodoomancer 1 year ago
this game has no players
Now with the changes
is a complete trash
that garbage noob is this: victory point and button to run?
star craft 2 crushed Whammer 2
Now the game is good
changes points and runn buton are shit
CBJM0277 1 year ago
@CBJM0277 EVERY race in Starcraft is a hack of something from Warhammer 40k. Warhammer 40k Came first.
Armegdonz 1 year ago
@Armegdonz
true
but victory points and run button
are not part of war hammer
CBJM0277 1 year ago
@CBJM0277 No Victory Points and Running are in the full edition of the table top rules, which also came before Starcraft. THQ inputs stuff from the rules such as cover, suppression, etc.
Armegdonz 1 year ago
@Armegdonz
so what of Starship Troopers then ? -,-
StarSpawn06 1 year ago
@StarSpawn06 The original Space Hulk had the first design of all the races save for the Dark Eldar. It came before Starship Troopers.
Armegdonz 1 year ago
@Armegdonz
I meant Starship Troopers the novel
StarSpawn06 1 year ago
@StarSpawn06 Oh. Well yes. But consider Games Workshop started in England, though i am not sure where Starship Troopers was first published. And then there might be the fact that John Peake (founder of GW and creater of the original lore [Deceased]) read it.
Armegdonz 1 year ago
@Armegdonz I'm not sure how that has got to do with anything, but WH40K did its own fair share of hacking off.
vycka1234 1 year ago
@vycka1234 Well consider this. Warhammer Fantasy came out before Starship Troopers. If you look carefully (and some are easily spotted) the factions in 40k are evolutions of the ones in Fantasy. They had no need to rip off other stuff.
In example:Bretonnians(Spelled Wrong) = Space Marines
The Empire = Imperial Guard
High Elves = Eldar
Dark Elves = Dark Eldar
Orc and Goblins = Orks
Vampire Counts = Blood Angels (Arguably)
Tomb Kings = Necrons
Chaos Daemons = Chaos Daemons (No Dur) and so on...
Armegdonz 1 year ago
@Armegdonz No, it didn't. Starship Troopers predate WH/40K and even Games Workshop by decades. Believe me, WH/40K begged, borrowed and outright stole from many, many works that came before it. Not like it's a bad thing(it's done all the time), but the idea that WH is some kind of a gushing fountain of originality is a bit irritating. Everyone always remembers that Starcraft/Warcraft ripped off WH, but no one seems to remember that WH ripped off other works just as readily.
vycka1234 1 year ago 43
@vycka1234 Although Warhammer 40k stole a lot from Starship Troopers and such, no other gaming universe I know has ever combined so many aspects of it's borrowed lore in such an amazingly fitting fashion...
JadenKy 11 months ago
@vycka1234 WH40K was manly inspired by the original WH tabletop game and just took nearly all the factions of that into the year 40.000. Warhammer was inspired by Lord of the Rings, just like every other fantasy game/book/world with orks, elves etc.. I dont think 40k was ever really inspired by Starship troopers, but it was probably tolkien the genius who invented this whole fantasy genre off which many new worlds were created. I think they copied ALIEN when they created the tyranids.
MasterOfWololooo 11 months ago
@MasterOfWololooo While it's true that a lot of it comes from Tolkien, but a good chunk (especially the sci-fi stuff) comes from other works. Works like Starship Troopers(the book!), Dune, Alien etc.
vycka1234 11 months ago
@vycka1234 there are things that make WH original but your right WH has used idea from other things just as those have copied otther b4 it.
Majora48 10 months ago
@vycka1234 There is a big difference between "Inspired in" and "copied from". If you make a movie "inspired in" the barbaric tribes of the past in humanity, is not the same of making a movie "copied from" another movie of barbaric tribes.
GW may have been inspired by movies and books, but they turned it into a tabletop game in the first place, or PC games. Blizzard copied ideas FROM videogames TO MAKE videogames.
Learn the difference: Inspired in =/= copied from.
Eobryne 10 months ago
@Eobryne Far be it from me to say where exactly inspiration ends and copying begins, but Warhammer has done both, just like Blizzard. There's not much difference between GW and Blizzard when it comes to that. Also, GW weren't the first to make a tabletop game or video games based on that, so I'm not really sure what you're trying to say by that. Once more, I'm not talking about the medium. Does it really matter whether you copy a book to make a game or copy a game to make another game?
vycka1234 10 months ago
@vycka1234 But warhammer makes it cooler xD
georgepwner1 10 months ago
@vycka1234 not that i don't agree with you, but they ripped em off so well, that what they made was awesome, starship trooper, looks silly standing next to the imperial guard and the tyranids. they did a great job there. Not to mention they ripped off the great crusades with their space marines and Tau, nothing says crusade like purging a system of aliens because they think differently
Johnny2142T 9 months ago
@vycka1234 no no it didnt
Playologygames 8 months ago
@Playologygames Yes, it did. Unless you think that 1959 comes *after* 1987.
vycka1234 8 months ago
@vycka1234 what i m eant is wh 40k didnt coppy anything like what armagedonz said the armies i 40 k are just futuristic versions of fantasy.
Playologygames 8 months ago
@Playologygames I suppose it all comes down to what one defines as "copying", but from my point of view, WH40 copied quite a bit and so did Warhammer Fantasy Battle.
vycka1234 8 months ago
@vycka1234 I thought Space Hulk predated Starship Troopers by a long shot??
RewdAwakening 8 months ago
@RewdAwakening Considering Starship Troopers came out in 1959 and Space Hulk in 1989... Anyway, Space Hulk was a rather shameless knock off of Alien/Aliens, even the creators admitted it.
vycka1234 8 months ago
@vycka1234
This is completely true, but you need to remember that people get confused with gamesworkshop's story of WH being so old that they think it's the original. After all, I still hear people think it all started in the 70's or something when in fact the man who started the story before gamesworkshop existed started it in the mid 1930's.
sktrdm 8 months ago
@sktrdm What story do you mean started in the mid 1930s? You mean Heinlein's writing?
vycka1234 8 months ago
@vycka1234 I think he means Tolkien in relation to Warhammer Fantasy, which 40K is really just a spin-off of.
CLANGxx 8 months ago
@vycka1234 just a novel - are you saying that the way he described "the bugs" in the novel look exactly how the tyranid look? no, it's called an imagination and what your basically saying is anything in any other videogame resembling large insectoid creatures has been stolen from starship troopers ... thats kinda ignorant, but i do agree its had influences but it has not "begged and pleaded" or ripped off ideas from other works, maybe you need to check out wikipedia
israelowns12 7 months ago
@israelowns12 I didn't say anything about the Bugs. I guess the Tyranids are more of a combination of the Bugs and Xenomorphs. At any rate, when I said Starship Troopers, I had the Mobile Infantry and the Terran Federation in mind rather than the Bugs. How is that ignorant? Heinlein's works influenced many, many, MANY things. I mean, the guy basically came up and defined the whole Space Marine trope. And yes, WH begged and borrowed quite a bit. Not just from Starship Troopers, obviously.
vycka1234 7 months ago
@vycka1234
Very true- except Warhammer, like Warcraft and Starcraft, has become its own entity. True, it used themes from numerous works- and it knew this and has never really denied it- as we see in the very many tongue-in-cheek references in Rogue Trader. But, the Warhammer story has become its own- the interactions between races and what the Universe has become is very much unique.
SanctifiedBolter 8 months ago 2
@vycka1234 i think ur a bit mixed up w/ the starship troopers thing - warhammer has been around since 1983 so .....
israelowns12 8 months ago
@israelowns12 And Starship Troopers has been around since 1959... maybe you should look it up on Wikipedia or something.
vycka1234 8 months ago
@vycka1234 Also...Laserburn...one of the "many works" that paved the creation of the "Space Marines" as a whole chapter and not just the standard Mk. VII Power Armor they wear...
JadenKy 6 months ago
@JadenKy Never heart of Laserburn until now, but apparently the same guy who created it later joined Games Workshop and helped create WH40K. Good find anyhow.
vycka1234 6 months ago
@vycka1234 How are Starship troopers and warhammer similar???!!!!!!!
mindarinas 6 months ago
@mindarinas I'm not saying it's all similar, but Starship Troopers certainly has similar aspects that 40K borrowed from it. For example: super-elite soldiers in power armour serving a fascist, xenophobic Human government, wielding a wide variety of weapons, jump-packs, etc. Basically Space Marines without the monastic aspect. The Bugs/Arachnids also have similarities with the Tyranids.
P.S. I am talking about Starship Troopers the book, not the movie. They are quite different.
vycka1234 6 months ago
@vycka1234 What people don't get is that art, and in this case games, is a way for people to express their ideas and make tons of money along the way. People take inspiration from art and mold it with their own ideas to give new forms. Warhammer gives its own perspective for gamers just as Starcraft and all the rest did.
9f81rsd00 5 months ago
@vycka1234 Its not that. Warhammer created modern Space Marines, you know....Power armored badasses? Starship Troopers may be called Space Marines but basically are like the Imperial Guards
-Imperial Guard was based of the Soviet WWII army
-The concept of the Space Marine was original, but the name wasnt
-Elves are from mythology
-Orks might also have the same name as Orcs in LotR, but the Orcs in LotR are very different from those massive bulky green people.
Warhammer however got/stole alot
999cheetos999 5 months ago
@999cheetos999 Space Marines as super-elite soldiers in power armour, wielding all manners of different weapons, jump packs, serving a fascist, xenophobic human government, and generally being small armies unto themselves didn't originate in 40K. It arguably did in Starship Troopers, though it wasn't the first instance of space marines in fiction either.
vycka1234 5 months ago
@vycka1234 Im a fan of Starship troopers but Ive never seen the similarity between it and Warhammer 40k. Ive been a fan of it ever since, since the main character is the same nationality as me. I was pertaining to the uniqueness of the Warhammer franchise, I mean without them who pretty much placed Orcs and Elves in space. Also, Warhammer 40k isnt centered on Space Marines anyway, but mostly the Imperium as a whole, usually the Imperial Guard, the REAL and ONLY humans in the WH40K universe
999cheetos999 5 months ago
There are some similarities, mainly between the Mobile Infantry and the Space Marines, and, to some extent, between the Arachnids and the Tyranids. That was one of the points of the post you originally replied to. I was replying to some guy who claimed that Starship Troopers ripped off 40K, telling him that it's the other way around. It's hard to compare 40K to any other universe, because 40K is like a patchwork of many different works of fiction, though its individual aspects are hardly unique.
vycka1234 5 months ago
@vycka1234 that is arrogant - i dunno but i never knew super soldiers, who only knew duty and war, implanted w/ a buncha different organs at the age of 10 existed in starship troopers.... with thick ceramite armor.... and when you say they ripped off ideas it means they copied it to the last word, but they haven't done that - they've taken ideas changed them slightly and built off them
israelowns12 7 months ago
@israelowns12 Altering some relatively minor details doesn't make it any less of a rip off. Super-elite soldiers in power armour serving a fascist, xenophobic Terran government, wielding a wide variety of weapons, jump-packs, etc. I am not saying it's plagiarism, but it's a rather obvious knock off.
Now if you want to see a true rip off in WH40K, look no further than the whole concept of Chaos in the Eternal Champion series by Michael Moorcock. It was basically copied verbatim.
vycka1234 7 months ago
[insert tyranid ripoff zerg comment to break the awsomeness of the nids here]
168anonymous 1 year ago
epic voice
lukajus 1 year ago
they definitely need to bring back the Necrons.
they are what make WH40k unique, along with the Eldar.
the other species are cool, but they already have parallels in other games/stories :/
StarSpawn06 1 year ago 2
Please bring the MIGHT TAU EMPIRE BACK!
blackxx5 1 year ago 20
@blackxx5 thsoe squishy guys brrr
tommybui 1 year ago
@blackxx5 your right
xfact9r 1 year ago
@blackxx5 Yes a tau brother
Avatar230594 11 months ago
@blackxx5 YES I love the Tau! THE GREATER GOOD FTW !!!
Cammando583 11 months ago
@Cammando583 Tau lost all of their holding gained in their last sphere of expansion when the Imperium finally had a chance to focus more time and attention on them, they will die, young and exuberant yes, Technologically sophisticated yes, numbers to match them full might of the Imperium not likely
Jadefox32 9 months ago
@blackxx5 the problem is that they are a small empire on the eastern fringe and on top of that they have relatively primitive warp drives so they can only make small jumps from place to place making it only possible to strike on worlds close to their empire
snarst 8 months ago
@blackxx5 NEVER
M14Ok 8 months ago
whats new?
ragnarocks0 1 year ago
i play sc2 and Warhammer 40k like them both , and honestly i dont truly Very Intrested witch game was 1st
horus410 1 year ago 4
OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMN for the OMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMN god!!!
sepaol 1 year ago
Warhammer came out in 83, warhammer 40k came out in 87. Warcraft was early 90s. Warhammer was first, done. I cant wait till they add the Necrons to Dawn of War 2/ =)
PawnSacrific3 1 year ago
@PawnSacrific3
And the first Down of War game used the gameplay established by WarCraft 3
So things went full circle
DrMlieko 1 year ago
FOR THE SWARM ! i mean the tyranids !
BlizzardGamification 1 year ago
all the ppl flaming about starcraft or warhammer are morons.
yey01985 1 year ago
Starcraft is only gaming legend because of how well Blizzard marketeted a Warhammer 40k ripoff using their good name (from ripping off Warhammer with Warcraft). Great games, massive ripoffs. Deal with it nerds.
asmoron 1 year ago
unfortunaly the tau empire, sisters of battle necrons and dark eldar are missing in dow2
GamerJer 1 year ago
Why do I see Starcraft comments on every Warhammer video?
Scorponizer 1 year ago 78
@Scorponizer really , i ask the same question..
TheReaper569 1 year ago
@Scorponizer because all the starcraft fans are jeolous that their game has crappy graphics.
jellomanjello 1 year ago
@Scorponizer
Because Warhammer ripped it off
[/trollface off]
IAMTHECAPSGODLOL 1 year ago
@Scorponizer cuz SC-fanbois and Warhammer-fanbois like to browbeat each other through youtube ofc^^
woodwyrm 1 year ago
@Scorponizer because fanboys are debating which series stole from the other. Or in other words its MY CHOICE IS BETTER! Basically the exact same thing as with religion vs religion and xbox 360 vs ps3
kingofnee 1 year ago
@kingofnee religious disputes are like ps3 vs XBOX 360 and Starcraft vs Warhammer 40k. Sadly you're probably right in the devotion and fervor of the those who take sides.
Blessedtouch 1 year ago
@Scorponizer Blizzard was the creative department of Games Workshop until they left.
OlimDeus 1 year ago
@Scorponizer Because you look for them.
heald111111111111111 1 year ago
@Scorponizer They jelly.
JEmbr33 1 year ago
@Scorponizer Because starcraft is a rip off of warhammer. Go google it lest we argue
xXEviLIntenTXx 1 year ago
@xXEviLIntenTXx I know it is.
So does that mean you have to plant hundreds of comments about it on every video linked to one of the two games?
Speaking of silly..
Scorponizer 1 year ago
@xXEviLIntenTXx starcraft and warcraft were projects commisioned by gamesworkshop but the developer working on it lost the license so they b became the games they are today. fail move by gw tbh.
Alexplus20 1 year ago
@Alexplus20 I know. I just hate ignorant people saying that warhammer copied starcraft. So annoying
xXEviLIntenTXx 1 year ago
@Scorponizer Indeed, Warhammer >> Starcraft, tbh...
... Tho Starcraft is still awesome.
Shomindimo 1 year ago
@Scorponizer cause sc>dawn of war... no srsly you cant compare them...
GameP4wn 1 year ago
For true RTS, COH is the best imo.
Maxified666 1 year ago
So the hive is undead now?
makemap 1 year ago
space marines would destroy terren. One terren manrine can get killed by almost anything. There is no match hands down. 1 space marine is meant to conquer worlds on his own. There is probably 1 space marine for every billion orks or tyranids in 40k universe. Terren are just men put into futuristic armour. Space marines are literaly superhuman. Created from an immortal. SC is still prety fun to play though.
jellomanjello 1 year ago
@jellomanjello yo dude. well umm how dude i say this shut the fuck up. that is a unforgivable hyperbol even marine players are like 'ummmmmmmmmm nope' a squad of warriors vs a squad of marines i have seen to be a close battle so ummmmmm WTF NO
HIM6000 1 year ago
@HIM6000 dude. learn ur facts. im not talking about the stupid game. Im talking about the background fluf of warhammer 40k.
jellomanjello 1 year ago
@jellomanjello yo dude. well umm how dude i say this shut the fuck up. that is a unforgivable hyperbole even marine players are like 'ummmmmmmmmm nope' a squad of warriors vs a squad of marines i have seen to be a close battle so ummmmmm WTF NO
HIM6000 1 year ago
0:55 Swarm lord
Farber1296 1 year ago
warhammer out dates star craft, starship troopers and all that other crap including aliens theyy all get it from warhammer
frogmando92 1 year ago
jesus wtf is wrong wif u all??
Gameworkshop helped blizzard and thq in warhammer and sc2 in the design of the game.wtf is wrong wif u all?
minnlucifer666 1 year ago
and the Tyranids are pretty much a rip off from the Alien series (genestealers are pretty much Xenomorphs) add in there a touch of Starship troopers (the book not the movie) and a few other Sci fi Ideas and voila, the Tyranids. I love 40K but they did do a fair amount of pillaging from other great Sci Fi works....
MajesticDemonLord 1 year ago
0:53 You can see the new Eldar Autarch!!!
CrashnSpyro4Evar 1 year ago
@CrashnSpyro4Evar ya is that available for everyone in multiplayer or just the map map expansion people.
jellomanjello 1 year ago
@jellomanjello
I would assume you have to buy the expansion pack to use them, maybe not though, you might just not be able to use IG in multiplayer, I'm not sure.
CrashnSpyro4Evar 1 year ago
Sooo .... what is basically Retribution about ? Is it basically DOW2 version of what they did with Dark Crusade ?
ReconUnitZero 1 year ago
@ReconUnitZero Im wondering that, it says on wiki (not the most reliable souce, i know) that its stand alone and includes every army (unlike DC that needed the others for more armys).... which brings up another question, is there any point in buying the old games? i guess you get dif campaigns if you do, but will it have the units chaos rising added?
sean123h 1 year ago
@sean123h This is Stand alone. Meaning it has all the stuff the previous games had so you don't need em to play.
Lightscribe225 1 year ago
@Lightscribe225 Ohhh i didnt realise in dark crusade you could play as all the races O.o oops my bad... is it only the campaigns that are different then? because only reason i tought you could play as only tau and necron if you had only dark crusade, was it comes bundled with the others.. seems abit pointles to me... :P
sean123h 1 year ago
@sean123h No the thing with Dark Crusade, you needed the others if you wanted to play the other races in multiplayer. The Campaigns in Dark Crusade are mostly fought in skirmish-esque matches until you reach the base of enemy commanders. In Retribution, I dunno, they say each one will have its own unique campaign but Relic is really pushing it if they want to meet the deadline.
Lightscribe225 1 year ago
@Lightscribe225 Ohhhhh right, thanks. Think ill just buy this when in comes out, if i need the others for more multiplayer races might aswell see if i like the game 1st :P
sean123h 1 year ago
if you read this THQ god sake go back to the old style dawn of wars which where actually fun otherwise starcraft 2 is just gonna keep outdoing you!
warcraftbrown99 1 year ago
WAAAAAGH
CrazyHarrow 1 year ago
Can someone help me? I never pre-ordered off Steam before, but theres this pre-order bonus where you get to choose an equipment pack for one race or something for this game, but if I pre order off Steam is it ONLY downloadable, or could I get a hard copy? The pre order packs look cool, but I have the whole DoW series on hard copy so far so yea lol.
pricture 1 year ago
@pricture steam doesnt give you a hardcopy :)
Zechs121 1 year ago
@Zechs121 Damn......well do you know any other store that gives you pre order packs? I know that Steam isnt the only one because it said just the Ork pack was Steam- only :P
pricture 1 year ago
@pricture all depends on your local store mate but from what i can gather tyranid is THQ only and orc is STEAM only so stores will probably have a random one, so check your store first to see what they sell :)
Zechs121 1 year ago
@Zechs121 Ok well I checked out all the stores nearby, but none of them even had the game to pre order lol, so I checked THQ which also only had it to download, so I just decided to pre order the collectors- hard copy from them. XP
pricture 1 year ago
*orgasm*
xSSTWARx 1 year ago
ITS CONFIRMED! THE RACE IS IMPERIAL GUARD! :DDDDDDDDDDDD
earthbenderguard 1 year ago
@earthbenderguard I know! And theres a bonus pack for them if you pre order it from Steam! Btw, do you paint Warhammer, if you do what race? I'm guessing I.G like I do right? :D
pricture 1 year ago
@pricture I'm goona get the collectors edition! And i dont paint tabletop :P sorry,but its a little too expensive for me.IG FTW!
earthbenderguard 1 year ago
@earthbenderguard Sweet, and thats k I agree it is pretty expensive lol.
I love the I.G, they may be weak alone but once the forces build up its an unstoppable force! >xD
pricture 1 year ago
@Payneisgod1
illiterate, fatass masses
are you sure you aren't talking about yourself?
DrMlieko 1 year ago
ok i dont mean to sound like a prick or anything but if the humans have space age tech and aurelia is haveing a war every year or so dont you think that there would be some way of seeing wether or not the tyranoids were building a base or not
theitalianscotdan 1 year ago
@theitalianscotdan Not when that base blends in with the enviroment it self untill it is far...farrrrrr to late to see what it has matured into
decinator252 1 year ago
Everyone's got it all wrong! Warhammer came out along time ago, Warcraft/ World of Warcraft was first a copy off of the tabletop fantasy hobby. Warcraft/ World of Warcraft had to change all the names and everything since it was a copy. Then came a sci-fi tabletop hobby which was Warhammer 40,000. Blizzard also copied that with Starcraft, they even stole some of Games Workshop's writers to help. I don't see why you would play Starcraft when you could play Dawn of War.
XvideomaniaczX 1 year ago
@XvideomaniaczX
Because the StarCraft franchise was around for a much longer time that Dawn of W