Elaine Brown was said to be an informer for the FBI. She supposedly set Panthers up and a lot of Panthers got killed whenever she messed. Both Kathleen Cleaver and Geronimo Pratt accused her of being an agent. She tried to sue but dropped it. Elaine you know what you did.
Thank you, man. I read her autobiography. She's a fraud, pretending to fight for black rights but infatuated with white/jewish boyfriends. I had never heard these allegations you bring up, but after reading about the types of people she brought home to mama, I put nothing past this rata. Now I understand why the Mau Mau in Kenya focused on liquidating the Kikuyu collaborators.
That period she was dating white/jewish boyfriends was during her early years of life. Are you holding the issue of her having dated white dudes as a reason you think she is accused of being a traitor? Secondly, remember during the height of the panthers, they were the most powerful organization in america and FBI did a good job causing chaois(sp) and havic by having them turn on each other.
Rjam I think those early dalliances sowed the seeds of treachery. After reading her book, I get the sense she was infatuated with white guys. It's a small step from infatuation to wanting to protect them from harm. Okay, Ms. Cleaver had issues with Ms. Brown. What about Geronimo Pratt's allegations that Brown was a stoolie? Was he lying too? I'm curious. Why are you so zealously defending that rata Brown?
Not Zealous at all, I just think that at one time she was the highest ranked panther while Huey was behind bars People were jealous not just guys but some women. For one, especially during this time, guys didnt like the idea of being told what to do by a woman "especially being a black woman "controlling" black men". Secondly, Elaine grew up having bad experiences with a few brothas so that played a role in her messing with white dudes.
I love the history of the black panthers and read up on a few people who use to be with the panthers(i.e. Eldridge Cleaver, Angela Davis, Elaine Brown) and I spoke to Ms. Brown in person and online. She was bluntly honest on a few things. She was honest on the "relationships" she had within the party and physical abuse from members. Women in general are attractive to power and Elaine found out there is a price to pay. She has a brillant mind yet is scorned for all that happend then
Interesting. In all these conversations, did she admit to being an FBI mole? Now I found out she married her white lawyer and lived with him in France. Sheesh! The girl was infatuated with white people. White man's concubine. With house wenches like EB running the Panthers, is it any wonder they imploded?
@mmantech Bits and pieces over the years. I can't point you to a single definitive source, all I remember are Geronimo Pratt's suspicions. I've since learned through posting comments that Ms. Cleaver felt the same way, that Brown was the link to the Cointelpro folks. Given her infatuation with the Aryan brotherhood, do you doubt it?
Assata Shakur mentioned the sexism that was in it, and that some of the Panthers didn't know anything about Black history, and had a variety of reasons for getting involved. Like many organizations, not everyone is in it to help the people. Some people use an organization to fulfill their egos, to embezzle money, to meet the opposite sex, or a family legacy or resume builder. Of course, you got honest people who want to help their people or the community. Then you got the Elaine Browns agents.
Yes she grew up middle class considering she left and public school to go priv. Personally, I believed that during that time, she confused love through what a man's power was. The issues she had with other members of the party is something that can only be resolved between Assata, Ms. Cleaver and her. The're the one's that really know the truth. Elaine has admitted that she had a few "relationships" within the panther organization and looking back at it that wasn't a good thing.
That was your best analysis I've seen so far. Besides the agent label, her "relationsips" damaged her credibility. Her conduct was slutty from what Denise said. Just as in any workplace, that mess was unprofessional and unethical, but those issues were not only with Assata, Ms. Cleaver and Elaine. Elaine has a lot of explainin' to do. I hold the men equally responsible too because I've seen brothers who claim to be about empowerment doing something disrespectful stuff.
Elaine like alot of sistas who had issues with us brothas early on hold it against the rest. You are seeing it more with the average one. Elaine's biggest mistake is that her motive's back in the day is hurting what she has been trying to do now. Old history damages what ever causes you're trying to do regardless of how legitimate it is
It's good that Elaine is trying to do right but to be real, I am not impressed by her current projects. I know poor people who are doing more in the community than she is. It's like a power hungry fallen leader who is trying to get back to the top again and back to the same old tricks. She is doing some easy work. "I think this young brother was framed." Well Elaine, what are you doing to release him besides feature him on your website. As much as you charge, you can fund his release.
Sounds like a hoe oops, I meant chicken coming home to roost. Same thing happened to WEB DuBois when he helped the government to destroy Marcus Garvey, only later to have the government turn on him and trying to destroy him. He fled to Africa to escape. Elaine lost everything so she wants to b*tch and moan about life. Chile (Elaine) you were responsible for some of this mess. Elaine is like a scorned slut who wonders why people don't respect her flirting and sittin' on Huey's lap.
Elaine had her legs up in the air as in messin' with Huey Newton. A female Black Panther based in New York, Denise Oliver, said that "Elaine was about that pussy power". She used her pussy to get what she wanted. I don't respect that. Assata Shakur mentioned that the Panthers were made up of a lot of different people, and not everyone was on a Black Power tip.
Imhotep1, you got your info from a female that is in NY who was no where near the top of the panther organization like Elaine. Didn't you know Elaine was in the west coast so what does Denise know about what occured? You speak in venom as if Elaine did you wrong.
You are one uptight dude, if you aren't smart enough to get in a discussion why do you even bother. Cursing only proves you aren't too sharp upstairs and from what I read your vocab is very limited. I can listen to views differing from mines and keep it adult, obviously, thats kind of hard for ya. Oh, how would you know about child molestation anyway?
Oh by the way son I am a man. You talk all that "Black power" but you are very hostile to black women, did one do you wrong. If you gonna talk power learn to respect people who don't agree with you. A real man would understand that. You won't get people to respect you when you are angry and incoherent(thats unable to understand just in case you didn't know what that meant).
Your history is wrong. Elaine grew up middle class. Some would say "priviledged". She went to a predominately white boarding school. "grew up having bad experiences with a few brothas so that played a role..." GET OUT OF HERE. She liked white guys from the get go. She didn't interact with much Black people growing up besides her immediate family and a few neighbors. There were plenty of people who could've taken the lead, but by then the Panthers were in disarray and facing a barrage of attacks.
I had to put Rjam in her place. She reminds me of one of those armchair activists who ride off of other people's coattails and suffering for the cause. She doesn't know jack.
She makes Dennis Vincent Brutus look like Malcolm X. Dennis Brutus as a white man did more than this lazy sob named Rjam1974.
Hmmm, suffering for the cause, question for you, do you actually go out in your community and interact with people or sit behind the net bitchin? I volunteered in delivering food for the sick along donating time and talents for political campaigns.
Whatever you claim yourself to be, you will never convince anyone of anything if you aren't mature enough to learn to disagree with someone. Thats something learned in gradeschool son.
Elaine Brown ended up marrying her white lawyer who defended her in her case and then moved to France with him for a while. Spare me this mess about this infiltrator. You got several Black Panthers who said it was the general consensus that she was an agent. Even ole' Petey in Tanzania said she was an infiltrator.
The Black Panthers were brought down because power they had were turned against them. They were sexist(along with alot of political and social groups of the time). Wasn't Ms. Cleaver married to Eldridge Cleaver that man that tried to kill her. Ms. Cleaver has issues with Brown because of the relationship she had with Cleaver. Anything personally I can't really take seriously. FBI has always tried to take down powerful black organizations whether the panthers SNCC or NAACP.
We know why the Black Panthers were brought down, but don't sit up here and try to defend Elaine Brown's treachery. As black people who respected the Black Panthers, I am not trying to tear them down, but I don't respect Elaine Brown. There's a difference between Warren Kimbro who apologized and made repentance for having killed an innocent Black Panther and Elaine Brown who is a lying fraud.
@rjam1974 The Black Panthers were sexist? Well, please name me ONE revolutionary movement led by a woman that was actually any good. A black woman leading a movement? Especially THIS black woman? No wonder they burned and crashed. What the hell does a damn woman know about these things anyway. No matriarchy in history has ever been worth squat, including the one operating today in Black America. If the KKK opened the books to Blacks they'd find many takers among the black women of Seattle.
anarchist idiot.
codetoad415 1 year ago
Elaine Brown was said to be an informer for the FBI. She supposedly set Panthers up and a lot of Panthers got killed whenever she messed. Both Kathleen Cleaver and Geronimo Pratt accused her of being an agent. She tried to sue but dropped it. Elaine you know what you did.
imhotep1 2 years ago
Thank you, man. I read her autobiography. She's a fraud, pretending to fight for black rights but infatuated with white/jewish boyfriends. I had never heard these allegations you bring up, but after reading about the types of people she brought home to mama, I put nothing past this rata. Now I understand why the Mau Mau in Kenya focused on liquidating the Kikuyu collaborators.
hork111 2 years ago
That period she was dating white/jewish boyfriends was during her early years of life. Are you holding the issue of her having dated white dudes as a reason you think she is accused of being a traitor? Secondly, remember during the height of the panthers, they were the most powerful organization in america and FBI did a good job causing chaois(sp) and havic by having them turn on each other.
rjam1974 2 years ago
Rjam I think those early dalliances sowed the seeds of treachery. After reading her book, I get the sense she was infatuated with white guys. It's a small step from infatuation to wanting to protect them from harm. Okay, Ms. Cleaver had issues with Ms. Brown. What about Geronimo Pratt's allegations that Brown was a stoolie? Was he lying too? I'm curious. Why are you so zealously defending that rata Brown?
hork111 2 years ago
Not Zealous at all, I just think that at one time she was the highest ranked panther while Huey was behind bars People were jealous not just guys but some women. For one, especially during this time, guys didnt like the idea of being told what to do by a woman "especially being a black woman "controlling" black men". Secondly, Elaine grew up having bad experiences with a few brothas so that played a role in her messing with white dudes.
rjam1974 2 years ago
Not giving you grief, but how do you know all this?
hork111 2 years ago
I love the history of the black panthers and read up on a few people who use to be with the panthers(i.e. Eldridge Cleaver, Angela Davis, Elaine Brown) and I spoke to Ms. Brown in person and online. She was bluntly honest on a few things. She was honest on the "relationships" she had within the party and physical abuse from members. Women in general are attractive to power and Elaine found out there is a price to pay. She has a brillant mind yet is scorned for all that happend then
rjam1974 2 years ago
Interesting. In all these conversations, did she admit to being an FBI mole? Now I found out she married her white lawyer and lived with him in France. Sheesh! The girl was infatuated with white people. White man's concubine. With house wenches like EB running the Panthers, is it any wonder they imploded?
hork111 2 years ago 2
@hork111 where did you get this information from?
mmantech 11 months ago
@mmantech Bits and pieces over the years. I can't point you to a single definitive source, all I remember are Geronimo Pratt's suspicions. I've since learned through posting comments that Ms. Cleaver felt the same way, that Brown was the link to the Cointelpro folks. Given her infatuation with the Aryan brotherhood, do you doubt it?
hork111 11 months ago
Assata Shakur mentioned the sexism that was in it, and that some of the Panthers didn't know anything about Black history, and had a variety of reasons for getting involved. Like many organizations, not everyone is in it to help the people. Some people use an organization to fulfill their egos, to embezzle money, to meet the opposite sex, or a family legacy or resume builder. Of course, you got honest people who want to help their people or the community. Then you got the Elaine Browns agents.
imhotep1 2 years ago
Yes she grew up middle class considering she left and public school to go priv. Personally, I believed that during that time, she confused love through what a man's power was. The issues she had with other members of the party is something that can only be resolved between Assata, Ms. Cleaver and her. The're the one's that really know the truth. Elaine has admitted that she had a few "relationships" within the panther organization and looking back at it that wasn't a good thing.
rjam1974 2 years ago
That was your best analysis I've seen so far. Besides the agent label, her "relationsips" damaged her credibility. Her conduct was slutty from what Denise said. Just as in any workplace, that mess was unprofessional and unethical, but those issues were not only with Assata, Ms. Cleaver and Elaine. Elaine has a lot of explainin' to do. I hold the men equally responsible too because I've seen brothers who claim to be about empowerment doing something disrespectful stuff.
imhotep1 2 years ago
Elaine like alot of sistas who had issues with us brothas early on hold it against the rest. You are seeing it more with the average one. Elaine's biggest mistake is that her motive's back in the day is hurting what she has been trying to do now. Old history damages what ever causes you're trying to do regardless of how legitimate it is
rjam1974 2 years ago
It's good that Elaine is trying to do right but to be real, I am not impressed by her current projects. I know poor people who are doing more in the community than she is. It's like a power hungry fallen leader who is trying to get back to the top again and back to the same old tricks. She is doing some easy work. "I think this young brother was framed." Well Elaine, what are you doing to release him besides feature him on your website. As much as you charge, you can fund his release.
imhotep1 2 years ago
Sounds like a hoe oops, I meant chicken coming home to roost. Same thing happened to WEB DuBois when he helped the government to destroy Marcus Garvey, only later to have the government turn on him and trying to destroy him. He fled to Africa to escape. Elaine lost everything so she wants to b*tch and moan about life. Chile (Elaine) you were responsible for some of this mess. Elaine is like a scorned slut who wonders why people don't respect her flirting and sittin' on Huey's lap.
imhotep1 2 years ago
Elaine had her legs up in the air as in messin' with Huey Newton. A female Black Panther based in New York, Denise Oliver, said that "Elaine was about that pussy power". She used her pussy to get what she wanted. I don't respect that. Assata Shakur mentioned that the Panthers were made up of a lot of different people, and not everyone was on a Black Power tip.
imhotep1 2 years ago
Imhotep1, you got your info from a female that is in NY who was no where near the top of the panther organization like Elaine. Didn't you know Elaine was in the west coast so what does Denise know about what occured? You speak in venom as if Elaine did you wrong.
rjam1974 2 years ago
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imhotep1 2 years ago
You are one uptight dude, if you aren't smart enough to get in a discussion why do you even bother. Cursing only proves you aren't too sharp upstairs and from what I read your vocab is very limited. I can listen to views differing from mines and keep it adult, obviously, thats kind of hard for ya. Oh, how would you know about child molestation anyway?
rjam1974 2 years ago
Oh by the way son I am a man. You talk all that "Black power" but you are very hostile to black women, did one do you wrong. If you gonna talk power learn to respect people who don't agree with you. A real man would understand that. You won't get people to respect you when you are angry and incoherent(thats unable to understand just in case you didn't know what that meant).
rjam1974 2 years ago
Your history is wrong. Elaine grew up middle class. Some would say "priviledged". She went to a predominately white boarding school. "grew up having bad experiences with a few brothas so that played a role..." GET OUT OF HERE. She liked white guys from the get go. She didn't interact with much Black people growing up besides her immediate family and a few neighbors. There were plenty of people who could've taken the lead, but by then the Panthers were in disarray and facing a barrage of attacks.
imhotep1 2 years ago
I had to put Rjam in her place. She reminds me of one of those armchair activists who ride off of other people's coattails and suffering for the cause. She doesn't know jack.
She makes Dennis Vincent Brutus look like Malcolm X. Dennis Brutus as a white man did more than this lazy sob named Rjam1974.
imhotep1 2 years ago
Hmmm, suffering for the cause, question for you, do you actually go out in your community and interact with people or sit behind the net bitchin? I volunteered in delivering food for the sick along donating time and talents for political campaigns.
Whatever you claim yourself to be, you will never convince anyone of anything if you aren't mature enough to learn to disagree with someone. Thats something learned in gradeschool son.
rjam1974 2 years ago
I apologize, but you have yet to refute Pete O'Neal and Geronimo Pratt.
imhotep1 2 years ago
If what you say is true then I stand corrected.
rjam1974 2 years ago
Elaine Brown ended up marrying her white lawyer who defended her in her case and then moved to France with him for a while. Spare me this mess about this infiltrator. You got several Black Panthers who said it was the general consensus that she was an agent. Even ole' Petey in Tanzania said she was an infiltrator.
imhotep1 2 years ago
The Black Panthers were brought down because power they had were turned against them. They were sexist(along with alot of political and social groups of the time). Wasn't Ms. Cleaver married to Eldridge Cleaver that man that tried to kill her. Ms. Cleaver has issues with Brown because of the relationship she had with Cleaver. Anything personally I can't really take seriously. FBI has always tried to take down powerful black organizations whether the panthers SNCC or NAACP.
rjam1974 2 years ago
We know why the Black Panthers were brought down, but don't sit up here and try to defend Elaine Brown's treachery. As black people who respected the Black Panthers, I am not trying to tear them down, but I don't respect Elaine Brown. There's a difference between Warren Kimbro who apologized and made repentance for having killed an innocent Black Panther and Elaine Brown who is a lying fraud.
imhotep1 2 years ago
@rjam1974 The Black Panthers were sexist? Well, please name me ONE revolutionary movement led by a woman that was actually any good. A black woman leading a movement? Especially THIS black woman? No wonder they burned and crashed. What the hell does a damn woman know about these things anyway. No matriarchy in history has ever been worth squat, including the one operating today in Black America. If the KKK opened the books to Blacks they'd find many takers among the black women of Seattle.
hork111 11 months ago
I can't wait for part twooo! :D Thankx sooo much for recording 'n uploading these; I didn't think anyone caught all the great speeches. ^_^
danimo17 4 years ago