Oh please Mormons get out of Europe. Stop propigating your lies. Mormons are not Christians. The kind of God they believe in is false. This is a cult. They don't even know enough about the kind of lies they believe in. This is a made-up religion by a phony: Joe. Smith. It has absolutely no ground. Just a bunch of made-up lies.
@mismestera I'm a convert to the LDS church and I know there are many things written and said about Mormons that are taken out of context, distorted, and just plain wrong. I read all this stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the church. I took the time to learn the truth. The LDS church has the fulness of the gospel and will bring you CLOSER to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church.
@mismestera In your dreams mate, You don't need to judge mormonism. That's just rude and ignorant. I'm Mormon and I believe in god and what you just said is a bunch of rubbish. Go get a life.
@TheDomination234 Ay Mate, but the god you believe in is not the same one as Christians believe in. You are deeply decieved. Wake up before it's too late. No more Mormons in Europe!
@atoz25 exactly the religion was wrong to her when she was kidnapped but now she's all superduper religous??? and in the FLDS of all churches gimme a break!! its almost like she kind of approved of what happened then not the kidnapping part but the religious part and the way of life that they practice.
@NANCYSIMPSON85 Just because Mitchell used his perverted version of religion as an excuse to be a rapist does not make Mormonism responsible for what he did. People are responsible for their own actions. Mitchell could have been an atheist & he still would have committed kidnapping & rape, he's been a sex offender since he was 15 years old. & Elizabeth is not a member of the FLDS, she's a member of the mainstream LDS church. The mainstream Mormons do not allow polygamy.
By claiming that her faith has helped her recover she is giving the glory to god. Her church is the work of the lord and by following the principles that Christ teaches through his church she has given the glory to the father. It was his work that placed it here.
I do not want to take one single thing away from Elizabeth or her family, they are wonderful. However, I look it as more a heart thing than a "church" thing. There are Christians, Buddahists, Hindus, Taoists etc. who have recovered from trauma. Some, like Mother Theresa have lived to serve others. It is a mistake to ascribe such personal triumph to a religion rather than giving all glory to God.
you guys are insane. I am one of Elizabeth's cousins, you guys didn't see the emotional toll it took on her, and the family. You didn't see the change in her when she came home. You guys think you know all the stories, but you don't have a clue! Her life was turned upside down in an instant. She was just a helpless 14 year old who even missed her 15th birthday.
After going through a living hell, she deserves the greatest things possible in her life. She should be compensated somehow for all her pain and suffering. Few people have had such a inconceivable, horrific experiences in life and for her it must have seemed as though it would never end. What nightmares she must have to this day. I pray that she has peace, love and security in her life today. She should want for absolutely nothing.
i REALLY don't get why when something involves a mormon person, EVERYONE makes it about that. Mormon this, mormon that. If you're not one don't talk. Everyone has a right to a religion of their choosing so why is being mormon any different? I don't see any other religion being given more negative attention than mine. So, everyone get a life! We are who we are. If you don't approve of our beliefs, SO WHAT? We don't talk about yours. THE END!
@nicksparksfanatic I think the reason that Mormonism gets more negative attention than most religions is due to quite a few things:polygamy, blood atonement, tithing, the Mountain Meadows massacre, scams & the fact that Mormonism is a young religion(over 150 years old compared to other religions that are centuries old). Don't flame me, I don't agree with it either, I'm just saying. A lot of people believe that Mormonism is a cult, mainly because of their practices & their past.
@nicksparksfanatic Also, you're wrong about no other religion being given more negative attention. Islam gets slammed a lot too. Probably more so than Mormonism due to September 11 2001 & all the terrorist attacks-both successful & thwarted-since then. Not to mention all the other violence associated with Islam.
@nicksparksfanatic Believe it or not, it's mormons that do this to themselves. Their religion is secretive, conformist, and very exclusive. In short, it operates very closely to the popular definition of a cult. It doesn't mean mormons deserve to be discriminated against, but you can't be surprised when other people make a big deal of out, because they themselves make a big deal out it. I don't know any mormons that are very active in diverse communities, they are a very homogeneous group.
@KevinReconAlpha 50%of members of the LDS "mormon" church live outside of the US,mostly in S.America and Europe.What you're talking about is a group of LDSppl who live mostly in SLC.Our Church is very diverse.
@nemibaj No offense, but this statistic gets flaunted around like it's something to write home about when it isn't. 50% is literally nothing. The vast majority of nations in the world have no LDS presence whatsoever. Your demographics just simply aren't half as impressive as most mormons believe them to be. I have mormon friends, so please don't think I'm just a vitriolic mormon hater, but I just will never get your religion. You guys are so indoctrinated that it's downright scary.
Respond to this video... Part II I served a mission in Eastern Europe and the LDS culture is so different there.I admire Elizabeth 4going on a mission.She has an amazing testimony&self esteem.A verywoman,& I believe a lot of that comes from her being LDS. We LDS women r bought up2Bstrong, loved&supported.I joined the church when I was 19so I've lived both sides of the religion.
Poor thing is going to make a great politician, someday. Sucks to be born into such a deceptive religion. Mormon women have to put on the Perma-Grin(tm) even more than the men.
@Villageidiots86 I'm a convert to the LDS church and most of the youth I know in the church are what one would call leaders, they get involved in things and are happy and well-adjusted.
You know what, before anyone bashes religion, how bout asking yourself how you would have bounced back from being raped everyday for 9 months. Obviously religion or "mormonism" isn't all that bad if she can recover from something as traumatic as what she's been through. Just saying.
@IWannabeJew Were you there? Didn't think so. It's possible for a girl or woman to be raped every day. Elizabeth is not the only girl it's happened to.
@IWannabeJew Like I said, you weren't there. Neither was I. Elizabeth testified under oath that she had been raped every day. Mitchell has been a sex offender since he was 15. There is no reason to doubt Elizabeth's testimony regarding this.
@IWannabeJew NO I'm NOT a sex offender! I'm just saying it's possible for a person to be an atheist AND a sex offender. Being a sex offender has nothing to do with religion.
@Lizfan2 In asking whether you are Mormon or have ever been Mormon, I was thinking of Elisabeth, not the convicted.
If you've never been a Mormon, how could possibly have ANY idea what is going on in her head? Mormonism is a completely different world. Deception and Self-deception come with the territory.
@IWannabeJew I never said I have any idea what is going on in her head. I don't. But there is no reason not to believe her version of events. I'll believe Elizabeth before I ever believe Mitchell, that's for darn sure.
@Lizfan2 Why, just because Elizabeth is female, like you? Just because the man is in cuffs and Elizabeth isn't? How do you know that the whole damn thing isn't a mere dog and pony show?
Mormons deceive themselves and others every Fast Sunday at Testimony Meeting when they say, "I know..." to things they DO NOT know. "A testimony comes in the bearing of it," one of the church leaders taught. In other words, speak the formulaic Testimony first and you will come to believe what you have said.
@IWannabeJew No, because the police stated in 2003 that they found proof that Elizabeth was kidnapped & held against her will, an abundance of proof was presented against Mitchell at the trial, not to mention all the witnesses that testified, some of whom were NOT Mormon, & Mitchell's own family stated in 2003 that he'd been a sex offender since he was 15. & there is no reason for Elizabeth to be in cuffs because there was a witness to her kidnapping. Also, the FBI was involved.
@IWannabeJew & if this whole kidnapping had been a "dog and pony show" the FBI & the SLPD would have found out long ago & charged the Smarts long before now. Mitchell has never acted like an innocent man, he deliberately pretended to be crazy & held up the case for 7 years. & Barzee admitted to her role in the kidnapping & testified against Mitchell in court.
@IWannabeJew Not for this long. The FBI investigated this kidnapping. I guarantee that if it had been faked the FBi would have made it public & arrested the Smarts back in 2002-2003.
@EndangeredAngel Hey, I agree, but why lie about it? By the way, the recent Newsweek on Mormons says "almost daily", not EVERY DAY. Do you know how quickly the days go by in a high-control situation like that, when your own sense of individual identity has been compromised?
@IWannabeJew I don't think she's lying about it. In a high stress/traumatic situation, it doesn't matter how often or when it happened. The point is, it happened. And it happened to a thirteen year old girl. But somehow she managed to recover. That's all I'm saying.
Well, except that it's not exclusive to religion. Any strong support system, religious or otherwise, can be just as effective at helping someone recover. And while a religious environment can be great for some people, it can be the wrong choice for others. Just saying.
@EndangeredAngel Developing a delusional relationship with an other-worldly being can be therapeutic for someone who has experienced a lot of trauma, but that doesn't vindicate organized religious groups for the harm they cause to society- in particular, the LDS church for espousing principles of freedom and liberty while simultaneously donating massive amounts of money solely for the purpose of denying rights to people they disagree with. Effin ridiculous, this church is a complete sham.
@Villageidiots86 Sir, if you have a problem with our religion, don't go watching stuff not released from our church. Come to the source and really see if all of that trash is true that you claim is.
@Villageidiots86 Not all Mormons treat their children that way. I'm Catholic btw. & it's not only Mormons who do bad stuff. People from all religions do bad things & there are extremists in all religions.
omigosh this is incredible!! way to stand firm in faith through horrendous trials in life. This is amazing. I am going to serve a mission in a year and I'm happy that there are well-known women who are accepting this calling, also. :)
@Villageidiots86 Her kidnapper got her hooked on drugs & booze, & she was probably sleep deprived(that party was held after midnight)& exhausted as well as terrified & traumatized. Her parents didn't teach her street smarts. She was a young 14 year old girl who was very naive & innocent & did not know anything about the scum-of-the-earth people in the world. She had been supremely sheltered before her kidnapping. She didn't even know how to yell. She was submissive & introverted by nature.
@Lizfan2 more like she was a DUMB 15 YEAR OLD. how do u get kidnapped, put in home or trailer,untie, the door is unlocked, ur house is 8-3 miles away, and not escaping? give me a fucking break!!
@fuckfreshmen It's called Stockholm Syndrome. Look it up. & she wasn't dumb, she'd been drugged & terrorized into submission by a psychopath. & she was 14, not 15. She tried to escape several times but her kidnapper caught her each time, & that was when she wasn't tied to a tree via a wire cable. Reread my earlier comment.
@Peppepoppldoppl Why in the hell would you make that assumption? What makes you think that? I am a Chechen that became a US citizen just this year. Its ignorant people like you that make me regret doing that.
@jm113825 She brought it on herself. She has the opportunity to escape many times but choose to stay with them because of her religious brainwashing. The father should be ashamed of himself for allowing that creep access to his home and daughter. After the kidnapping the father acted like he did not ever care about her so the police suspected that he committed the kidnapping himself. It seem that Mormons don't care about their kids, that is why they send them away for 2 years without contact.
@Armornone She stayed with her kidnapper out of FEAR, just like Shawn Hornbeck stayed with his kidnapper out of fear. No one brings kidnapping on themselves. There have been many people who've been kidnapped & stayed with their kidnappers because they were abused, terrorized & intimidated into submission. & the idea that Ed acted like he never cared is bull.
@Lizfan2 Its true that the police suspected the father of the kidnapping because of his actions. He did not show the emotion that any normal person would show after someone was kidnapped. Ok, the police found Elizabeth Smart and she lied to the police officers about her identity and the fact that she was kidnapped. She said " I am not that girl who ran away, I am 18,etc.." She was corporations with the kidnappers and even when they were arrested, she defended them. Mormons are brain washed .
@Armornone The family is always the first suspect in a kidnapping. That's common knowledge. Ed showed emotion. He cried. Is there a book somewhere titled "How to react when your child is kidnapped"? Because I've never seen one. & the reason Elizabeth initially lied to the cops was due to her being scared out of her mind. She's not the first kidnap victim to do that, & it does not mean she was in cahoots with her kidnappers. & she did not defend them after they were arrested.
@Lizfan2 Its my understanding that after the kidnappers were arrested and they were all at the police station. Elizabeth kept insisting to the police that she was not Elizabeth Smart and was very upset with the police. So even while the kidnappers were locked up and she was safe in police custody, she kept sticking by her story. Secondly, the Mormon church brainwashes parents to allowing 2 years mission and the possible death of a child, whatever happens is God's plan, etc.. That explains it.
@Armornone No, the cops who found Elizabeth said publicly that she admitted to being Elizabeth Smart at the scene, not at the police station. When the cops first found her, she spent 45 minutes denying she was Elizabeth. It was after the cops showed her her missing person photo that she admitted to being Elizabeth. Then they took her to the station. You should read about the case. & from what I've read going on a mission is not mandatory.
@Lizfan2 In the Mormon faith, not going on a mission is like breaking a direct commandment from God. Parents disown kids for not going, Mormon women will not date men who don't go on missions, they are treated like at reject and a outcast for not attending. If you are 19 and a men, all the people in your town will look at you with disdain and contact ask " why aren't you on a mission" the children will repeat chants about going from even the youngest age. I live in provo, I know what I'm saying
@Armornone Ok but going on a mission is not akin to brainwashing. From what I've read Mormons go on missions to help people in need as well as to protethelyze(however you spell that).
@Lizfan2 They are forced to go on a mission for face horrible social sigma. I am not sure I can give you a proper analogy. Picture a union which is going on strike and imaging you are the worker who crosses the picket line. That is how you are treated if you are a Mormon who does not go on a mission. Technically not illegal or wrong however you will be treated the worse possible way by the union members. They might not admit it but its the truth. Forced 2 years slave labor plus $10,000 fee,ugh.
@Armornone Ok. That may be your experience, or maybe the experience of people you know, but that does not necessarily mean it's the same for all Mormons everywhere.
@Lizfan2 Yes it is. They almost have 100% mission attendance for men. let me ask you, have you ever been to the SLC airport? I have asked Mormon friends, ask mormon missionaries and even asked a theologian who specializes in LSD and they have all told me the same thing.
I would like mormons a lot better if they scrapped the missionary idea. It was someone done around 1978 by a man named Kimble who really screwed up the church in more than 1 day. The church was much better before this.
@Armornone 100% for MEN. What about women? I don't see why being a missionary is a bad thing. From what I've read they help people. Why is that a bad thing? Slave labor? Maybe you see it that way, but that does not mean that that's what it is. All religions have missionaries.
@Lizfan2 No religions have missionaries with 100% forced attendance. That is called a cult. 25% of the women who attend missions get sexually assaulted or raped. It is a bad thing to uproot a family forcing him to save up most of his teen years to pay for the mission and disrupt his college studies with a sudden leave of absents. Many colleges will not allow that and force the student to loose its credit. Look, its relatively recent thing not a long standing tradition. Its forced labor.
@Armornone Well, nothing seems to have happened to Elizabeth in France. From what Elizabeth said in this interview I got the impression that she was not forced to go.
@Lizfan2 Do you really think she would admit it if it did happen? So 25% of women have a sexual assault, that means that 75% did not. So she rolled the dice and got lucky. ( or maybe she won't admit it)
She was raped every day for like 9 months and she was like " oh well, I forgive him for doing it, blah blah balh" That is not normal. She should try to shoot him with a gun when he is leaving the court room or something. It sounds like classic brainwashing to the point she believes it.
@Armornone Elizabeth is not the first person to have forgiven criminals who wronged her. It's not normal to forgive? For who? Forgiving her captors has nothing to do with being a Mormon. She did it for her own peace of mind. & after what Mitchell did to her I'm pretty sure that she would have admitted it & come home if she'd been attacked on her mission. & FYI very few crime victims try to kill the criminals who hurt them. Most are satisfied with the perps getting jail time.
@Lizfan2 I am surprised that Elizabeth is not asking forgiveness from the man who kidnapped her and raped her. Under his personal mormon cult, they were married. She was one of this man's wives and the book of mormon said that a Wive is suppose to support and honor their husband. Also she made a promise not to run away and to stick with them. This is now twisted these people are. She tried to keep a promise made to her kidnapper. ugh How disturbing.
@Armornone Where did you get the idea that she made any promises to her kidnapper? & why would Elizabeth need forgiving from her rapist? It was her rapist that did something wrong, not her. She knows that. & just because Mitchell sees her as his "wife" does NOT make them married. The fact that HE sees it that way is his mental problem. He is willfully self-delusional & he made himself that way in order to justify kidnapping & rape. Besides, even if you go by Mitchell's delusions she was underage
@Lizfan2 The Police said "I approached the girl who was wear sunglasses, I asked her to take them off"
She replied "I can't, I just had eye surgery, look i know who you think I am but Im not"
The officer "who do I think you are?
Elizabeth " you think I am that Elizabeth Smart girl, but im not her, I am Augustine"
The officer then walked over to a pole, puled down a poster with her picture on it, and said " this is you, there are alot of people worried about you, your parents love you"
@Armornone From what I read the officer sent another officer to get a flyer with Elizabeth's picture on it, & when the officer brought it the other officer showed it to her. & she denied who she was because she was scared. She was thinking "my family's safety or my freedom?" & she wanted to protect her family.
@Lizfan2 Yeah right. Cops have guns that can shoot people with and can call in a SWAT team as well as a army of officers. She is scared of a homeless man wearing a flower dress and his wife vs the entire police force,FBI, etc.. Come on now. She was brainwashed and into the entire thing. That is why she is so embarrassed. I could get how she might be freak for a few days but 9 months!!! She was with them and she is embarrassed to admit it. She could have escaped countless times.
@Armornone She was scared of him because he'd raped her & abused her repeatedly for the entire 9 months. She had every reason to be terrified of him. & she wasn't "into" anything. Brainwashed? Sure, but that's not her fault. It's her kidnappers' faults. Who says she's embarrassed? I don't see any signs of embarrassment from her. & other kidnap victims have stayed with their kidnappers for longer periods of time for the same reason:fear.
@Armornone & it's kinda difficult to escape if your kidnapper gets you hooked on booze & drugs & terrorizes you into submission by raping you repeatedly. Anything you do to survive a dangerous situation is the right thing to do. Elizabeth survived. That's all that matters.
@Lizfan2 She could have reduced the rape by running away or signaling for help when she was in public. The entire country was on edge over this. Heck, I remember when she was kidnapped, I was looking for anyone that looked like her. She told people in public that he was her Dad and that the other wife was her mom. She did apparently talk with people in public. The cops tried so many times that he eventually gave up on the situation but then his partner said " lets give it 1 last shot"
@Armornone Mitchell never allowed Elizabeth to speak while in public. The only people she told that to were the cops. & yes she could have run but she had been terrorized into submission. You need to read up on Stockholm Syndrome & the term "psychological leash", & realize that kidnappers can & do have powerful holds on their victrims.
@Lizfan2 I agree they have powers over their victims when they are trapped in a sound proof basement not when they are out in public with a nationwide manhunt to find you. She could have gone to a bathroom and locked the door until help arrived. She took a road trip, stopping along the way to eat,sleep, bathroom, gas stations,etc... Forget running, she could have just screamed in any restaurant and even a truck driver would have save her fro Mitchell. She certainly did not have to lie to the cop
@Armornone Actually, kidnappers DO have power over their victims in any setting. Look at Shawn Hornbeck, Jessyca Mullenburg, Colleen Stan, Steven Staynor & Patty Hearst. All went out in public with their abductors & all except Steven lied to cops. You really should read up on Stockholm Syndrome.
@Lizfan2 Is Elizabeth from Sweden? I don't think Stockholm applies. I think we are talking about Mormon syndrome. This was all about power and control saying he was a false prophet under a branch of the Mormon religion. So maybe Mitchell still has power over Elizabeth now according to you? That is called brainwashing. Lessons here is don't invite homeless crazy people to your house and have them talk to your daughter. He should have just hired illegals like everyone else.
@Armornone Good grief are you an idiot or just pretending to be? It's all about Stockholm Syndrome. Saying or implying that Elizabeth ever believed that he was any type of prophet is ridiculous. No, Mitchell does not have power over her anymore. & Mitchell never talked to Elizabeth. The Smart children had very little, if any, contact with any of the homeless workers. Of course no one should hire people they don't know or who have no references. Duh. & FYI hiring illegals is illegal.
@Lizfan2 Yes, you are right. Being illegal or aiding an illegals is illegal. However, apparently in some parts of the US, its legal to be illegal or something to that effect. I don't understand it either... It sound like voter fraud to get illegal aliens to vote to them. Anyway, Stockholm syndromoe is identifying with their kidnappers.This was aided because Elizabeht identified with the Mormon religion. They are both Mormon and it was used as a tool to accomplished the brainwashing.
@Armornone Of course, you don't have to be Mormon to be brainwashed. Jaycee Lee Dugard & her kidnappers are not Mormon & she stayed with them for 18 years.
@Lizfan2 I can guarantee that if Elizabeth Smart was not Mormon, either the kidnapping would not have happened or the length would have been shorter. The fact that she was soooo religious and Mitchell played right into that perfectly. Eizabeth Smart is trying to cover up the fact that she went along with the entire thing and bought into it. She is super embarrassed at the whole thing and was very rude to Nancy Grace when she was just trying to be nice to her. Do you agree?
@Armornone Ok then explain Jaycee Lee Dugard, Natasha Kampusch, Colleen Stan & Shawn Hornbeck. None of them are Mormon, & they were kidnapped & they all stayed with their captors for several YEARS. In any case, Elizabeth did not go along with the entire thing. She had been terrorized into submission. Her kidnappers were/are psychotic. & if you believe that Grace is trying to be nice then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Grace just wants the ratings.
@Lizfan2 Grace was asking the tough questions that the American people wanted to know. She always said that she felt bad for Elizabeth and her difficult situation. I don't know about the other cases but I am betting that the Mormon religion was not used to control these people and the kidnappers probably had a jail or a gun for force. I doubt they were even taken out in public with TV running their story 24/7 like with Elizabeth Smart. No thanks of the bridge in brooklyn.
@Armornone Tough questions?? Oh PLEASE!! LOL those were stupid & obvious questions. "You were afraid, I assume?" DUH. "How did you see out of that thing[Burqa]?" Come on, those were not serious questions in any sense of the word. & since when did the American people want to know how Elizabeth saw out of a burqa? & Mitchell was armed, he had a knife. He also kept Elizabeth tethered to a tree via a wire cable for the first month or 2 of her captivity.
@Lizfan2 It said that Jaycee was held in captive in that house as a jail. I do not know if she walked around freely in public places as did Elizabeth Smart or lie to the police to protect her captives.
Why would someone want to kidnap someone for 18 years! Geeze, that is a long time.
@Armornone Jaycee's kidnapper wanted a sex slave. He had kidnapped & raped girls before kidnapping Jaycee. In the years after her abduction she helped Garrido with his at-home printing business, including making phone calls & meeting clients. From what I read she initially lied to the police on the day of her rescue before breaking down & telling them she had been kidnapped. What really irks me is that Garrido's parole officer never found out about it until after Jaycee was rescued.
How do you know it's not literally true, Windigo? Were you there? Didn't think so. Just because YOU don't believe it does not make it folklore or mythology except in your own mind.
What a wonderful young woman such as Elizabeth Smart. She is truly my hero for standing for what she knows is right and what her heavenly father wants her to be doing which is of course serving a misssion !
What a wonderful young woman such as Elizabeth Smart. She is truly my hero for standing for what she knows is right and what her heavenly father wants her to be doing which is of course serving a misssion
although I generally disagree with organized Christianity, I think that in certain cases, such as in Elizabeth's terrible situation, belief in a god and faith would be very helpful in overcoming such an awful ordeal.
I find it remarkable how she says god loves people no matter what happens to them. she must truly believe in her convictions. I think that is wonderful that it has helped her.
@Whyzitsotough What is wrong with you anyway? Elizabeth Smart is NOT a skank & certainly does not deserve to rot in hell. If we go by everything you've posted, YOU are certainly NO Catholic. A true Catholic would never think the things you've posted, let alone post them. "Judge not lest you be judged" ring a bell? Christ did not teach his followers to hate nonChristians. He did not teach his followers to be bigots. Maybe you should try reading the New Testament of the Bible.
@Whyzitsotough A" Mormon video room"? Are you an idiot? This is Youtube. Anyone & everyone can come here. You don't have to be a Mormon to view these videos & post comments. Atheists have posted on these videos. Religion has nothing to do with Youtube. Yes I AM a Catholic. & Elizabeth is NOT a skank or a POS. You need to get over yourself. God does not like bigotry.
Whyzitsotough sent this to me: You pigs the mormon girls are just so nasty jealous of the Catholic girls that you all are known to actually sit there and study the Catholic girls persona and then try to become them.. sick!!!
ME: I dont sit there and try to become them... if i wanted to... i would become catholic!
@Whyzitsotough I dunno. Catholics believe in the literal transfiguration of the communion into the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. I dunno about you, but I think cannibalism is disgusting.
@Lizfan2 Oh. Eating the [symbolic] flesh and blood of another human being ISN'T cannibalism? The dictionary says that cannibalism is "the practice of eating the flesh of your own kind" - Was Jesus not your "own kind" ??
@windigo77 We don't literally eat flesh or drink blood. We never did. There is a huge difference between the symbolic & the literal. Like I said, study the Catholic faith with an open mind. It's not cannibalism since we're not REALLY eating real flesh or drinking real blood.
@Whyzitsotough I'm really Catholic. I have no reason to lie about it. & I see no reason why there would be any competition between religions. It's not an American Idol singing contest.
@Lizfan2 Well the mormon girls I heard have been in this sick competition with the Catholic girls for years, guys like myself dont get it, maybe its jealousy? Maybe its because the Catholic girls went to a school to learn REAL Theology... or maybe its because the mormon girls know that they arent as pretty as the Catholic girls.. whatever it is I think the competition is sick and stupid
@Whyzitsotough Well whatever "competition" you believe is going on, it's news to me. I don't know any Mormons personally. I don't live in Utah. As for who's prettier, who cares? Looks aren't everything. Character is more important than looks.
@Lizfan2 Yes dear, they are spiritual HUMAN FLESH and HUMAN BLOOD, not literal. Excuse me while I go bless and sanctify my DINNER tonight with the spirit of DEAD BABY BRAINS - and it's okay that I like to eat dead baby brains, because it's symbolic... not literal, right?)
@windigo77 Why are you refusing to understand? It's NOT real flash & blood! Flesh, blood & brains in themselves do not have spirits. The spirit resides in the body as a whole. The spiritual is very different from the physical. Are you being a troll or do you just not want to understand? What is wrong with YOU?
@Lizfan2 Look sister, it's not me that needs to understand anything, it's you. Please read my comments more closely with a more open mind, because you aren't even communicating with me on the same level.
@Lizfan2 Think about this. Your saying a prayer/magic spell that essentially endows the properties of Jesus's FLESH AND BLOOD, into bread and water/wine. Why would I want to drink that? WHY! I'm not into drinking blood and eating flesh. No thank you. I hereby opt out of your religion on moral grounds, and if I were your friend, I wouldn't want to be friends with a 'spiritual' cannibal. GROSS. Barbarian!
@Lizfan2 I'm taking it to literally? I AM!? Can you see yourself. You are taking this so literally that you actually BELIEVE it to be true. THAT is taking it to literally. It's folklore, mythology, and in Joseph Smith's case speculation, but by no means is it LITERALLY true.
@windigo77 Just because you do not believe in God or Jesus does not mean that They do not exist. It simply means that you don't believe in them. People who believe in God & Jesus are not crazy. They just believe in something you don't. It is not folklore or mythology, it's a religious belief. Prove that God does not exist. Can you do that? Of course not. No one can prove or disprove God's existence. That is why it's called " faith".
@Lizfan2 Also, I am not a troll. I am a perfectly sane human being. One who doesn't like the idea of eating human blood and flesh SO MUCH, that I refrain from even 'symbolically', or 'spiritually' engaging in it. Same way looking at a woman lustfully, is actually adultery, I would refuse sacrament, as it is cannibalism of the heart.
@Lizfan2 LOL, just for you, I think I'm going to visit an LDS church tomorrow, and when they pass around sacrament, I'm going to act all confused, and say in a loud confused voice so everybody can hear, "Wait, you just blessed that to become flesh and blood? I'm not gonna eat that!"
@windigo77 You mormons need to realize something and you listen up, the Catholics have 1.6 Billion members the mormons 12 million satanic cult members, open your mouth about us you mormon pigs and if a holy war were ever to happen I promise you that your satanic cult wouldn;t exist anymore, you mormons seem to enjoy talking shit about Jesus Christ, we would rather do what is of God then baptise dead people and then have sex with them like mormons do
I have to admire the guts it takes to go door to door selling something as transparently silly as the Mormon religion. Jehovah's Witnesses have some pretty tough hide too. Hard to imagine committing to two years of such masochism.
@Pacisdiligo What a twat! Your religion isn't much better than any other. You shouldn't even be talking. Mere fool still believing in an organization who teaches altered Jesus' teachings. There is no true church, religions are bullshit. Spirituality is the right way to go, the closest way to be with God.
@mexicanboy92840: My "religion"? I don't remember making mention of any. Your post is a rambling mess. "Spirituality"? What a vague and virtually meaningless term. You might want to take a deep breath and maybe even think for a moment before clicking the "post" button next time. The only "bullshit" I can smell is emanating from the tip of your poison pen.
@Pacisdiligo when the members of the LDS church go on mission, they are not "selling" the mormon religion and to us members it is not silly... people accept and decline, and that is fine, but it is not silly... to us it is serious!
@puppylov3r2010: I believe the term "selling" when it comes to door-to-door proselytizing, is appropriate. The approach is very similar to a sales presentation, only the "product" is a pre-packaged religious belief construct instead of an alarm system or vacuum cleaner. The "salesman" attempts to greet, present, overcome objections and close the deal. In all fairness, evangelism of all stripes may be fairly described in this fashion. It's not necessarily a pejorative. And, yes, it IS silly.
@Pacisdiligo I will agree that they do try and get a point across when they go and talk to people... they go and try to get the truth out about our church so that people are not going off of anti-morman literature alone... I nver considered it "sellig" because of the fact that they are not getting money, but i do understand what you are saying... i appreciate you explaining what you mean... and i see how it could be silly to you...
@puppylov3r2010 There are a few mormon girls in utah that had abortions from ages 15-21 and they are active mormons and some of them went back 2 or 3 times, also another mormon chick who was using heroin while she was pregnant and the kid came out deformed.. oh yeah you mormon girls are just SOOO SOOOO Catholic!!!!
@Whyzitsotough For the record, active Catholic girls do those things too. You act as if you seem to think Catholic girls can do no wrong & Mormon girls are evil incarnate. News flash:active Catholic girls can & do have abortions & do drugs, drink, have sex, etc. We Catholics are no more or less perfect than Mormons. We are all human beings & we all do bad things regardless of our beliefs. That is human nature. We all do both good & bad things. It has nothing to do with religion.
@Whyzitsotough I'm not posing as anything. I AM a Catholic. I have no reason to lie about it. & why would anyone envy Catholics anyway? Everyone in every religion believes that their religion is the true religion. Who are you to say that any religion is demonic? Did someone appoint you as judge of the human race? Didn't think so. A lot of people in other religions would say that Catholics are demonic because the Catholic Church covered up for pedophile priests. Catholics are not perfect.
@CapnKeys if you knew the feelings we feel... you would know we are not on LSD... and by the way, we dont do drugs... it is against our religion... do your research...
I was in the MTC (Missionary Training Center) with her.
Zahav007 2 weeks ago
Im sure her faith saw her through!
MsFullheart 1 month ago
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2hamboigahs 2 months ago
Oh please Mormons get out of Europe. Stop propigating your lies. Mormons are not Christians. The kind of God they believe in is false. This is a cult. They don't even know enough about the kind of lies they believe in. This is a made-up religion by a phony: Joe. Smith. It has absolutely no ground. Just a bunch of made-up lies.
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@mismestera I'm a convert to the LDS church and I know there are many things written and said about Mormons that are taken out of context, distorted, and just plain wrong. I read all this stuff over 30 years ago when I was first investigating the church. I took the time to learn the truth. The LDS church has the fulness of the gospel and will bring you CLOSER to Jesus Christ and the Bible than any other church.
cindybin2001 2 months ago
@mismestera In your dreams mate, You don't need to judge mormonism. That's just rude and ignorant. I'm Mormon and I believe in god and what you just said is a bunch of rubbish. Go get a life.
TheDomination234 1 month ago
@TheDomination234 Ay Mate, but the god you believe in is not the same one as Christians believe in. You are deeply decieved. Wake up before it's too late. No more Mormons in Europe!
mismestera 1 month ago
@mismestera You mean the One in the Bible? Yep, same One.
juanjoseantoniopedro 2 weeks ago
@tobymays You do realize that this video aired in 2009, right?
Lizfan2 5 months ago
@atoz25 exactly the religion was wrong to her when she was kidnapped but now she's all superduper religous??? and in the FLDS of all churches gimme a break!! its almost like she kind of approved of what happened then not the kidnapping part but the religious part and the way of life that they practice.
NANCYSIMPSON85 5 months ago
@NANCYSIMPSON85 Just because Mitchell used his perverted version of religion as an excuse to be a rapist does not make Mormonism responsible for what he did. People are responsible for their own actions. Mitchell could have been an atheist & he still would have committed kidnapping & rape, he's been a sex offender since he was 15 years old. & Elizabeth is not a member of the FLDS, she's a member of the mainstream LDS church. The mainstream Mormons do not allow polygamy.
Lizfan2 5 months ago 3
By claiming that her faith has helped her recover she is giving the glory to god. Her church is the work of the lord and by following the principles that Christ teaches through his church she has given the glory to the father. It was his work that placed it here.
JEDDAKOFPHX 6 months ago
I do not want to take one single thing away from Elizabeth or her family, they are wonderful. However, I look it as more a heart thing than a "church" thing. There are Christians, Buddahists, Hindus, Taoists etc. who have recovered from trauma. Some, like Mother Theresa have lived to serve others. It is a mistake to ascribe such personal triumph to a religion rather than giving all glory to God.
GmaM11 7 months ago
Now she's back from her mission and still standing. She is wonderful! :)
WaitingToFade 7 months ago
you guys are insane. I am one of Elizabeth's cousins, you guys didn't see the emotional toll it took on her, and the family. You didn't see the change in her when she came home. You guys think you know all the stories, but you don't have a clue! Her life was turned upside down in an instant. She was just a helpless 14 year old who even missed her 15th birthday.
sarbear222228 7 months ago 8
@sarbear222228 i highly, highly, HIGHLY, doubt you are her cousin.
elizabethX3 2 months ago
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Yeah, but you're not her cousin.
stickydog480 1 month ago
After going through a living hell, she deserves the greatest things possible in her life. She should be compensated somehow for all her pain and suffering. Few people have had such a inconceivable, horrific experiences in life and for her it must have seemed as though it would never end. What nightmares she must have to this day. I pray that she has peace, love and security in her life today. She should want for absolutely nothing.
maggiedeals 7 months ago
i REALLY don't get why when something involves a mormon person, EVERYONE makes it about that. Mormon this, mormon that. If you're not one don't talk. Everyone has a right to a religion of their choosing so why is being mormon any different? I don't see any other religion being given more negative attention than mine. So, everyone get a life! We are who we are. If you don't approve of our beliefs, SO WHAT? We don't talk about yours. THE END!
nicksparksfanatic 7 months ago
@nicksparksfanatic I think the reason that Mormonism gets more negative attention than most religions is due to quite a few things:polygamy, blood atonement, tithing, the Mountain Meadows massacre, scams & the fact that Mormonism is a young religion(over 150 years old compared to other religions that are centuries old). Don't flame me, I don't agree with it either, I'm just saying. A lot of people believe that Mormonism is a cult, mainly because of their practices & their past.
Lizfan2 7 months ago
@nicksparksfanatic Also, you're wrong about no other religion being given more negative attention. Islam gets slammed a lot too. Probably more so than Mormonism due to September 11 2001 & all the terrorist attacks-both successful & thwarted-since then. Not to mention all the other violence associated with Islam.
Lizfan2 7 months ago
@Lizfan2 Ahh, please shut-up. Thanks.:)
nicksparksfanatic 7 months ago
@nicksparksfanatic If you don't agree with freedom of speech that's your problem, not mine.
Lizfan2 7 months ago
@nicksparksfanatic Believe it or not, it's mormons that do this to themselves. Their religion is secretive, conformist, and very exclusive. In short, it operates very closely to the popular definition of a cult. It doesn't mean mormons deserve to be discriminated against, but you can't be surprised when other people make a big deal of out, because they themselves make a big deal out it. I don't know any mormons that are very active in diverse communities, they are a very homogeneous group.
KevinReconAlpha 6 months ago
@KevinReconAlpha 50%of members of the LDS "mormon" church live outside of the US,mostly in S.America and Europe.What you're talking about is a group of LDSppl who live mostly in SLC.Our Church is very diverse.
nemibaj 6 months ago
@nemibaj No offense, but this statistic gets flaunted around like it's something to write home about when it isn't. 50% is literally nothing. The vast majority of nations in the world have no LDS presence whatsoever. Your demographics just simply aren't half as impressive as most mormons believe them to be. I have mormon friends, so please don't think I'm just a vitriolic mormon hater, but I just will never get your religion. You guys are so indoctrinated that it's downright scary.
KevinReconAlpha 6 months ago
Respond to this video... Part II I served a mission in Eastern Europe and the LDS culture is so different there.I admire Elizabeth 4going on a mission.She has an amazing testimony&self esteem.A verywoman,& I believe a lot of that comes from her being LDS. We LDS women r bought up2Bstrong, loved&supported.I joined the church when I was 19so I've lived both sides of the religion.
nemibaj 6 months ago 2
Poor thing is going to make a great politician, someday. Sucks to be born into such a deceptive religion. Mormon women have to put on the Perma-Grin(tm) even more than the men.
IWannabeJew 8 months ago
@Villageidiots86 I'm a convert to the LDS church and most of the youth I know in the church are what one would call leaders, they get involved in things and are happy and well-adjusted.
cindybin2001 8 months ago
Perverted scumbags like this stinking and filthy decrepit do not deserve any forgiveness nor need to be forgiven!!They need to be FRIED!
123456RaulMorales 8 months ago 2
You know what, before anyone bashes religion, how bout asking yourself how you would have bounced back from being raped everyday for 9 months. Obviously religion or "mormonism" isn't all that bad if she can recover from something as traumatic as what she's been through. Just saying.
EndangeredAngel 9 months ago 19
@EndangeredAngel It's called brainwashing.
MrDickgozinia 9 months ago
@EndangeredAngel Every day? Gimme a break.
IWannabeJew 8 months ago
@IWannabeJew Were you there? Didn't think so. It's possible for a girl or woman to be raped every day. Elizabeth is not the only girl it's happened to.
Lizfan2 8 months ago
@Lizfan2 You're not even male, are you?
Just because other females have been raped, it doesn't follow that she was raped "every day for 9 months".
Was she raped the day she was found? "Liz, honey, what do you say we go downtown? But first, how about another go?"
Like I said, gimme a break.
IWannabeJew 8 months ago
@IWannabeJew Like I said, you weren't there. Neither was I. Elizabeth testified under oath that she had been raped every day. Mitchell has been a sex offender since he was 15. There is no reason to doubt Elizabeth's testimony regarding this.
Lizfan2 8 months ago
@Lizfan2 Are YOU a Mormon or have you EVER been a Mormon?
IWannabeJew 8 months ago
@IWannabeJew No. I'm Catholic. Being Mormon has nothing to do with being a sex offender. You can be an atheist & be a sex offender.
Lizfan2 8 months ago
@Lizfan2 You're a sex offender?
IWannabeJew 8 months ago
@IWannabeJew NO I'm NOT a sex offender! I'm just saying it's possible for a person to be an atheist AND a sex offender. Being a sex offender has nothing to do with religion.
Lizfan2 8 months ago
@Lizfan2 In asking whether you are Mormon or have ever been Mormon, I was thinking of Elisabeth, not the convicted.
If you've never been a Mormon, how could possibly have ANY idea what is going on in her head? Mormonism is a completely different world. Deception and Self-deception come with the territory.
IWannabeJew 8 months ago
@IWannabeJew I never said I have any idea what is going on in her head. I don't. But there is no reason not to believe her version of events. I'll believe Elizabeth before I ever believe Mitchell, that's for darn sure.
Lizfan2 8 months ago
@Lizfan2 Why, just because Elizabeth is female, like you? Just because the man is in cuffs and Elizabeth isn't? How do you know that the whole damn thing isn't a mere dog and pony show?
Mormons deceive themselves and others every Fast Sunday at Testimony Meeting when they say, "I know..." to things they DO NOT know. "A testimony comes in the bearing of it," one of the church leaders taught. In other words, speak the formulaic Testimony first and you will come to believe what you have said.
IWannabeJew 8 months ago
@IWannabeJew No, because the police stated in 2003 that they found proof that Elizabeth was kidnapped & held against her will, an abundance of proof was presented against Mitchell at the trial, not to mention all the witnesses that testified, some of whom were NOT Mormon, & Mitchell's own family stated in 2003 that he'd been a sex offender since he was 15. & there is no reason for Elizabeth to be in cuffs because there was a witness to her kidnapping. Also, the FBI was involved.
Lizfan2 8 months ago
@IWannabeJew & if this whole kidnapping had been a "dog and pony show" the FBI & the SLPD would have found out long ago & charged the Smarts long before now. Mitchell has never acted like an innocent man, he deliberately pretended to be crazy & held up the case for 7 years. & Barzee admitted to her role in the kidnapping & testified against Mitchell in court.
Lizfan2 8 months ago
@Lizfan2 The PTBs can fake all of this and MORE.
IWannabeJew 8 months ago
@IWannabeJew Not for this long. The FBI investigated this kidnapping. I guarantee that if it had been faked the FBi would have made it public & arrested the Smarts back in 2002-2003.
Lizfan2 8 months ago
@IWannabeJew Yeah, because just getting raped once isn't as bad....
EndangeredAngel 8 months ago
@EndangeredAngel Hey, I agree, but why lie about it? By the way, the recent Newsweek on Mormons says "almost daily", not EVERY DAY. Do you know how quickly the days go by in a high-control situation like that, when your own sense of individual identity has been compromised?
IWannabeJew 8 months ago
@IWannabeJew I don't think she's lying about it. In a high stress/traumatic situation, it doesn't matter how often or when it happened. The point is, it happened. And it happened to a thirteen year old girl. But somehow she managed to recover. That's all I'm saying.
EndangeredAngel 8 months ago 4
@EndangeredAngel Unfortunately, there are lots of similar stories going on in Mormon communities, just like in the rest of the country.
IWannabeJew 8 months ago
@EndangeredAngel
Well, except that it's not exclusive to religion. Any strong support system, religious or otherwise, can be just as effective at helping someone recover. And while a religious environment can be great for some people, it can be the wrong choice for others. Just saying.
ZelphKinderhook 7 months ago 2
@EndangeredAngel Developing a delusional relationship with an other-worldly being can be therapeutic for someone who has experienced a lot of trauma, but that doesn't vindicate organized religious groups for the harm they cause to society- in particular, the LDS church for espousing principles of freedom and liberty while simultaneously donating massive amounts of money solely for the purpose of denying rights to people they disagree with. Effin ridiculous, this church is a complete sham.
KevinReconAlpha 6 months ago
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Mitchell was sentenced to life in prison!!!!!!!!
Lizfan2 9 months ago
it is all about discipline when you are young
excelx213 9 months ago
mormons or any other religion ruin kids at a very young age, discipline your kids or spank them if must but let kids be kids.
give them a chance to decide once they get older.
it is painful to watch 7 year old kids every sat/sun mornings on the streets carrying a huge briefcase heavier than their own weight.
excelx213 9 months ago
@Villageidiots86 Sir, if you have a problem with our religion, don't go watching stuff not released from our church. Come to the source and really see if all of that trash is true that you claim is.
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@Villageidiots86 People from all religions do good things as well as bad things.
Lizfan2 9 months ago
@Villageidiots86 Not all Mormons treat their children that way. I'm Catholic btw. & it's not only Mormons who do bad stuff. People from all religions do bad things & there are extremists in all religions.
Lizfan2 10 months ago
omigosh this is incredible!! way to stand firm in faith through horrendous trials in life. This is amazing. I am going to serve a mission in a year and I'm happy that there are well-known women who are accepting this calling, also. :)
ERHartzler 10 months ago
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Lizfan2 10 months ago
@Villageidiots86 Her kidnapper got her hooked on drugs & booze, & she was probably sleep deprived(that party was held after midnight)& exhausted as well as terrified & traumatized. Her parents didn't teach her street smarts. She was a young 14 year old girl who was very naive & innocent & did not know anything about the scum-of-the-earth people in the world. She had been supremely sheltered before her kidnapping. She didn't even know how to yell. She was submissive & introverted by nature.
Lizfan2 10 months ago
@Lizfan2 more like she was a DUMB 15 YEAR OLD. how do u get kidnapped, put in home or trailer,untie, the door is unlocked, ur house is 8-3 miles away, and not escaping? give me a fucking break!!
fuckfreshmen 10 months ago
@fuckfreshmen It's called Stockholm Syndrome. Look it up. & she wasn't dumb, she'd been drugged & terrorized into submission by a psychopath. & she was 14, not 15. She tried to escape several times but her kidnapper caught her each time, & that was when she wasn't tied to a tree via a wire cable. Reread my earlier comment.
Lizfan2 10 months ago
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Lizfan2 10 months ago
Why Paris, why not Chechnya?
yingdiskette 10 months ago
@yingdiskette Chechnya? Why? That's pretty random. I'm Chechen, though!
SooBeautyFull 9 months ago
@SooBeautyFull no, you're not. you are an american.
Peppepoppldoppl 9 months ago
@Peppepoppldoppl Why in the hell would you make that assumption? What makes you think that? I am a Chechen that became a US citizen just this year. Its ignorant people like you that make me regret doing that.
SooBeautyFull 9 months ago
@SooBeautyFull im Faroese, and you are American.
Peppepoppldoppl 9 months ago
God bless her.
joesphx19 11 months ago 3
A true example.
harolddoza 11 months ago
Good-God. What a waste of time.
NortonPalamine 11 months ago
She seems a lot nicer in this video then how she treated Nancy Grace who was just trying to be nice to her.
Armornone 11 months ago
She's adorable))
TheYS1000 11 months ago
Ask Elizabeth Smart how Jack Bauer is doing since she is her daughter from the tv show 24.
Armornone 11 months ago
@jm113825 She brought it on herself. She has the opportunity to escape many times but choose to stay with them because of her religious brainwashing. The father should be ashamed of himself for allowing that creep access to his home and daughter. After the kidnapping the father acted like he did not ever care about her so the police suspected that he committed the kidnapping himself. It seem that Mormons don't care about their kids, that is why they send them away for 2 years without contact.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone She stayed with her kidnapper out of FEAR, just like Shawn Hornbeck stayed with his kidnapper out of fear. No one brings kidnapping on themselves. There have been many people who've been kidnapped & stayed with their kidnappers because they were abused, terrorized & intimidated into submission. & the idea that Ed acted like he never cared is bull.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Its true that the police suspected the father of the kidnapping because of his actions. He did not show the emotion that any normal person would show after someone was kidnapped. Ok, the police found Elizabeth Smart and she lied to the police officers about her identity and the fact that she was kidnapped. She said " I am not that girl who ran away, I am 18,etc.." She was corporations with the kidnappers and even when they were arrested, she defended them. Mormons are brain washed .
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone The family is always the first suspect in a kidnapping. That's common knowledge. Ed showed emotion. He cried. Is there a book somewhere titled "How to react when your child is kidnapped"? Because I've never seen one. & the reason Elizabeth initially lied to the cops was due to her being scared out of her mind. She's not the first kidnap victim to do that, & it does not mean she was in cahoots with her kidnappers. & she did not defend them after they were arrested.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Its my understanding that after the kidnappers were arrested and they were all at the police station. Elizabeth kept insisting to the police that she was not Elizabeth Smart and was very upset with the police. So even while the kidnappers were locked up and she was safe in police custody, she kept sticking by her story. Secondly, the Mormon church brainwashes parents to allowing 2 years mission and the possible death of a child, whatever happens is God's plan, etc.. That explains it.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone No, the cops who found Elizabeth said publicly that she admitted to being Elizabeth Smart at the scene, not at the police station. When the cops first found her, she spent 45 minutes denying she was Elizabeth. It was after the cops showed her her missing person photo that she admitted to being Elizabeth. Then they took her to the station. You should read about the case. & from what I've read going on a mission is not mandatory.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 In the Mormon faith, not going on a mission is like breaking a direct commandment from God. Parents disown kids for not going, Mormon women will not date men who don't go on missions, they are treated like at reject and a outcast for not attending. If you are 19 and a men, all the people in your town will look at you with disdain and contact ask " why aren't you on a mission" the children will repeat chants about going from even the youngest age. I live in provo, I know what I'm saying
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Ok but going on a mission is not akin to brainwashing. From what I've read Mormons go on missions to help people in need as well as to protethelyze(however you spell that).
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 They are forced to go on a mission for face horrible social sigma. I am not sure I can give you a proper analogy. Picture a union which is going on strike and imaging you are the worker who crosses the picket line. That is how you are treated if you are a Mormon who does not go on a mission. Technically not illegal or wrong however you will be treated the worse possible way by the union members. They might not admit it but its the truth. Forced 2 years slave labor plus $10,000 fee,ugh.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Ok. That may be your experience, or maybe the experience of people you know, but that does not necessarily mean it's the same for all Mormons everywhere.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Yes it is. They almost have 100% mission attendance for men. let me ask you, have you ever been to the SLC airport? I have asked Mormon friends, ask mormon missionaries and even asked a theologian who specializes in LSD and they have all told me the same thing.
I would like mormons a lot better if they scrapped the missionary idea. It was someone done around 1978 by a man named Kimble who really screwed up the church in more than 1 day. The church was much better before this.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone 100% for MEN. What about women? I don't see why being a missionary is a bad thing. From what I've read they help people. Why is that a bad thing? Slave labor? Maybe you see it that way, but that does not mean that that's what it is. All religions have missionaries.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 No religions have missionaries with 100% forced attendance. That is called a cult. 25% of the women who attend missions get sexually assaulted or raped. It is a bad thing to uproot a family forcing him to save up most of his teen years to pay for the mission and disrupt his college studies with a sudden leave of absents. Many colleges will not allow that and force the student to loose its credit. Look, its relatively recent thing not a long standing tradition. Its forced labor.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Well, nothing seems to have happened to Elizabeth in France. From what Elizabeth said in this interview I got the impression that she was not forced to go.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Do you really think she would admit it if it did happen? So 25% of women have a sexual assault, that means that 75% did not. So she rolled the dice and got lucky. ( or maybe she won't admit it)
She was raped every day for like 9 months and she was like " oh well, I forgive him for doing it, blah blah balh" That is not normal. She should try to shoot him with a gun when he is leaving the court room or something. It sounds like classic brainwashing to the point she believes it.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Elizabeth is not the first person to have forgiven criminals who wronged her. It's not normal to forgive? For who? Forgiving her captors has nothing to do with being a Mormon. She did it for her own peace of mind. & after what Mitchell did to her I'm pretty sure that she would have admitted it & come home if she'd been attacked on her mission. & FYI very few crime victims try to kill the criminals who hurt them. Most are satisfied with the perps getting jail time.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 I am surprised that Elizabeth is not asking forgiveness from the man who kidnapped her and raped her. Under his personal mormon cult, they were married. She was one of this man's wives and the book of mormon said that a Wive is suppose to support and honor their husband. Also she made a promise not to run away and to stick with them. This is now twisted these people are. She tried to keep a promise made to her kidnapper. ugh How disturbing.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Where did you get the idea that she made any promises to her kidnapper? & why would Elizabeth need forgiving from her rapist? It was her rapist that did something wrong, not her. She knows that. & just because Mitchell sees her as his "wife" does NOT make them married. The fact that HE sees it that way is his mental problem. He is willfully self-delusional & he made himself that way in order to justify kidnapping & rape. Besides, even if you go by Mitchell's delusions she was underage
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Armornone & polygamy is illegal in the US. So the "marriage" was never authentic to begin with, regardless of how delusional Mitchell was/is.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 The Police said "I approached the girl who was wear sunglasses, I asked her to take them off"
She replied "I can't, I just had eye surgery, look i know who you think I am but Im not"
The officer "who do I think you are?
Elizabeth " you think I am that Elizabeth Smart girl, but im not her, I am Augustine"
The officer then walked over to a pole, puled down a poster with her picture on it, and said " this is you, there are alot of people worried about you, your parents love you"
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone From what I read the officer sent another officer to get a flyer with Elizabeth's picture on it, & when the officer brought it the other officer showed it to her. & she denied who she was because she was scared. She was thinking "my family's safety or my freedom?" & she wanted to protect her family.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Yeah right. Cops have guns that can shoot people with and can call in a SWAT team as well as a army of officers. She is scared of a homeless man wearing a flower dress and his wife vs the entire police force,FBI, etc.. Come on now. She was brainwashed and into the entire thing. That is why she is so embarrassed. I could get how she might be freak for a few days but 9 months!!! She was with them and she is embarrassed to admit it. She could have escaped countless times.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone She was scared of him because he'd raped her & abused her repeatedly for the entire 9 months. She had every reason to be terrified of him. & she wasn't "into" anything. Brainwashed? Sure, but that's not her fault. It's her kidnappers' faults. Who says she's embarrassed? I don't see any signs of embarrassment from her. & other kidnap victims have stayed with their kidnappers for longer periods of time for the same reason:fear.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Armornone & it's kinda difficult to escape if your kidnapper gets you hooked on booze & drugs & terrorizes you into submission by raping you repeatedly. Anything you do to survive a dangerous situation is the right thing to do. Elizabeth survived. That's all that matters.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 She could have reduced the rape by running away or signaling for help when she was in public. The entire country was on edge over this. Heck, I remember when she was kidnapped, I was looking for anyone that looked like her. She told people in public that he was her Dad and that the other wife was her mom. She did apparently talk with people in public. The cops tried so many times that he eventually gave up on the situation but then his partner said " lets give it 1 last shot"
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Mitchell never allowed Elizabeth to speak while in public. The only people she told that to were the cops. & yes she could have run but she had been terrorized into submission. You need to read up on Stockholm Syndrome & the term "psychological leash", & realize that kidnappers can & do have powerful holds on their victrims.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 I agree they have powers over their victims when they are trapped in a sound proof basement not when they are out in public with a nationwide manhunt to find you. She could have gone to a bathroom and locked the door until help arrived. She took a road trip, stopping along the way to eat,sleep, bathroom, gas stations,etc... Forget running, she could have just screamed in any restaurant and even a truck driver would have save her fro Mitchell. She certainly did not have to lie to the cop
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Actually, kidnappers DO have power over their victims in any setting. Look at Shawn Hornbeck, Jessyca Mullenburg, Colleen Stan, Steven Staynor & Patty Hearst. All went out in public with their abductors & all except Steven lied to cops. You really should read up on Stockholm Syndrome.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Is Elizabeth from Sweden? I don't think Stockholm applies. I think we are talking about Mormon syndrome. This was all about power and control saying he was a false prophet under a branch of the Mormon religion. So maybe Mitchell still has power over Elizabeth now according to you? That is called brainwashing. Lessons here is don't invite homeless crazy people to your house and have them talk to your daughter. He should have just hired illegals like everyone else.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Good grief are you an idiot or just pretending to be? It's all about Stockholm Syndrome. Saying or implying that Elizabeth ever believed that he was any type of prophet is ridiculous. No, Mitchell does not have power over her anymore. & Mitchell never talked to Elizabeth. The Smart children had very little, if any, contact with any of the homeless workers. Of course no one should hire people they don't know or who have no references. Duh. & FYI hiring illegals is illegal.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Yes, you are right. Being illegal or aiding an illegals is illegal. However, apparently in some parts of the US, its legal to be illegal or something to that effect. I don't understand it either... It sound like voter fraud to get illegal aliens to vote to them. Anyway, Stockholm syndromoe is identifying with their kidnappers.This was aided because Elizabeht identified with the Mormon religion. They are both Mormon and it was used as a tool to accomplished the brainwashing.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone It's legal in CA. As for the Mormon brainwshing, no kidding.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Armornone Of course, you don't have to be Mormon to be brainwashed. Jaycee Lee Dugard & her kidnappers are not Mormon & she stayed with them for 18 years.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 I can guarantee that if Elizabeth Smart was not Mormon, either the kidnapping would not have happened or the length would have been shorter. The fact that she was soooo religious and Mitchell played right into that perfectly. Eizabeth Smart is trying to cover up the fact that she went along with the entire thing and bought into it. She is super embarrassed at the whole thing and was very rude to Nancy Grace when she was just trying to be nice to her. Do you agree?
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Ok then explain Jaycee Lee Dugard, Natasha Kampusch, Colleen Stan & Shawn Hornbeck. None of them are Mormon, & they were kidnapped & they all stayed with their captors for several YEARS. In any case, Elizabeth did not go along with the entire thing. She had been terrorized into submission. Her kidnappers were/are psychotic. & if you believe that Grace is trying to be nice then I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. Grace just wants the ratings.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Grace was asking the tough questions that the American people wanted to know. She always said that she felt bad for Elizabeth and her difficult situation. I don't know about the other cases but I am betting that the Mormon religion was not used to control these people and the kidnappers probably had a jail or a gun for force. I doubt they were even taken out in public with TV running their story 24/7 like with Elizabeth Smart. No thanks of the bridge in brooklyn.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Tough questions?? Oh PLEASE!! LOL those were stupid & obvious questions. "You were afraid, I assume?" DUH. "How did you see out of that thing[Burqa]?" Come on, those were not serious questions in any sense of the word. & since when did the American people want to know how Elizabeth saw out of a burqa? & Mitchell was armed, he had a knife. He also kept Elizabeth tethered to a tree via a wire cable for the first month or 2 of her captivity.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Armornone & Jaycee's & Natasha's kidnappers were not armed as far as I know.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 It said that Jaycee was held in captive in that house as a jail. I do not know if she walked around freely in public places as did Elizabeth Smart or lie to the police to protect her captives.
Why would someone want to kidnap someone for 18 years! Geeze, that is a long time.
Armornone 11 months ago
@Armornone Jaycee's kidnapper wanted a sex slave. He had kidnapped & raped girls before kidnapping Jaycee. In the years after her abduction she helped Garrido with his at-home printing business, including making phone calls & meeting clients. From what I read she initially lied to the police on the day of her rescue before breaking down & telling them she had been kidnapped. What really irks me is that Garrido's parole officer never found out about it until after Jaycee was rescued.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
How do you know it's not literally true, Windigo? Were you there? Didn't think so. Just because YOU don't believe it does not make it folklore or mythology except in your own mind.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
OH my gosh, are you crazy? She is going to get kidnapped and rapped again.
I know a Mormon who went on a mission to France and he almost died twice!!!
They only care about drinking and raping women. They are French, they don't care about being Mormon.
If you go to France, you will get kidnapped and raped again. don't do it !!
Armornone 1 year ago
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What a wonderful young woman such as Elizabeth Smart. She is truly my hero for standing for what she knows is right and what her heavenly father wants her to be doing which is of course serving a misssion !
singinggurly1 1 year ago
What a wonderful young woman such as Elizabeth Smart. She is truly my hero for standing for what she knows is right and what her heavenly father wants her to be doing which is of course serving a misssion
singinggurly1 1 year ago 2
although I generally disagree with organized Christianity, I think that in certain cases, such as in Elizabeth's terrible situation, belief in a god and faith would be very helpful in overcoming such an awful ordeal.
I find it remarkable how she says god loves people no matter what happens to them. she must truly believe in her convictions. I think that is wonderful that it has helped her.
NORTHERNKONFLIKT 1 year ago
@NORTHERNKONFLIKT That mormon (catholic wannabe) skank like all mormons who are, can all rot in hell...
Whyzitsotough 1 year ago
@Whyzitsotough What is wrong with you anyway? Elizabeth Smart is NOT a skank & certainly does not deserve to rot in hell. If we go by everything you've posted, YOU are certainly NO Catholic. A true Catholic would never think the things you've posted, let alone post them. "Judge not lest you be judged" ring a bell? Christ did not teach his followers to hate nonChristians. He did not teach his followers to be bigots. Maybe you should try reading the New Testament of the Bible.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
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@Lizfan2 Youre not a Catholic otherwise you wouldnt be going in a mormon video room, she is a skank, damn mormon piece of shit
Whyzitsotough 1 year ago
@Whyzitsotough A" Mormon video room"? Are you an idiot? This is Youtube. Anyone & everyone can come here. You don't have to be a Mormon to view these videos & post comments. Atheists have posted on these videos. Religion has nothing to do with Youtube. Yes I AM a Catholic. & Elizabeth is NOT a skank or a POS. You need to get over yourself. God does not like bigotry.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
Whyzitsotough sent this to me: You pigs the mormon girls are just so nasty jealous of the Catholic girls that you all are known to actually sit there and study the Catholic girls persona and then try to become them.. sick!!!
ME: I dont sit there and try to become them... if i wanted to... i would become catholic!
puppylov3r2010 1 year ago
@puppylov3r2010 You couldnt become a Catholic you mormons are too demonic.. we want you people to STOP trying to mimic the Catholics.. we hate it!!
Whyzitsotough 1 year ago
@Whyzitsotough I dunno. Catholics believe in the literal transfiguration of the communion into the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. I dunno about you, but I think cannibalism is disgusting.
windigo77 11 months ago
@windigo77 It's not cannibalism. You need to study the Catholic faith with an open mind.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Oh. Eating the [symbolic] flesh and blood of another human being ISN'T cannibalism? The dictionary says that cannibalism is "the practice of eating the flesh of your own kind" - Was Jesus not your "own kind" ??
windigo77 11 months ago
@windigo77 We don't literally eat flesh or drink blood. We never did. There is a huge difference between the symbolic & the literal. Like I said, study the Catholic faith with an open mind. It's not cannibalism since we're not REALLY eating real flesh or drinking real blood.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Are you really Catholic, or are you one of many mormon girls that mimics the Catholic girls.. I heard theres a competition
Whyzitsotough 11 months ago
@Whyzitsotough I'm really Catholic. I have no reason to lie about it. & I see no reason why there would be any competition between religions. It's not an American Idol singing contest.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Well the mormon girls I heard have been in this sick competition with the Catholic girls for years, guys like myself dont get it, maybe its jealousy? Maybe its because the Catholic girls went to a school to learn REAL Theology... or maybe its because the mormon girls know that they arent as pretty as the Catholic girls.. whatever it is I think the competition is sick and stupid
Whyzitsotough 11 months ago
@Whyzitsotough Well whatever "competition" you believe is going on, it's news to me. I don't know any Mormons personally. I don't live in Utah. As for who's prettier, who cares? Looks aren't everything. Character is more important than looks.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 A huge difference? Really? No. If thinking about lust is adultery, symbolic cannibalism is cannibalism.
windigo77 11 months ago
@windigo77 The bread & wine are SPIRITUAL body & blood, NOT LITERAL body & blood. Read the Bible.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Yes dear, they are spiritual HUMAN FLESH and HUMAN BLOOD, not literal. Excuse me while I go bless and sanctify my DINNER tonight with the spirit of DEAD BABY BRAINS - and it's okay that I like to eat dead baby brains, because it's symbolic... not literal, right?)
What's wrong with you people?
windigo77 11 months ago
@windigo77 Why are you refusing to understand? It's NOT real flash & blood! Flesh, blood & brains in themselves do not have spirits. The spirit resides in the body as a whole. The spiritual is very different from the physical. Are you being a troll or do you just not want to understand? What is wrong with YOU?
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Look sister, it's not me that needs to understand anything, it's you. Please read my comments more closely with a more open mind, because you aren't even communicating with me on the same level.
windigo77 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Think about this. Your saying a prayer/magic spell that essentially endows the properties of Jesus's FLESH AND BLOOD, into bread and water/wine. Why would I want to drink that? WHY! I'm not into drinking blood and eating flesh. No thank you. I hereby opt out of your religion on moral grounds, and if I were your friend, I wouldn't want to be friends with a 'spiritual' cannibal. GROSS. Barbarian!
windigo77 11 months ago
@windigo77 It's not magic & it's not cannibalism or barbarism. I understand just fine. You're just taking the whole thing way too literally.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 I'm taking it to literally? I AM!? Can you see yourself. You are taking this so literally that you actually BELIEVE it to be true. THAT is taking it to literally. It's folklore, mythology, and in Joseph Smith's case speculation, but by no means is it LITERALLY true.
windigo77 11 months ago
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@windigo77 Just because you do not believe in God or Jesus does not mean that They do not exist. It simply means that you don't believe in them. People who believe in God & Jesus are not crazy. They just believe in something you don't. It is not folklore or mythology, it's a religious belief. Prove that God does not exist. Can you do that? Of course not. No one can prove or disprove God's existence. That is why it's called " faith".
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 Also, I am not a troll. I am a perfectly sane human being. One who doesn't like the idea of eating human blood and flesh SO MUCH, that I refrain from even 'symbolically', or 'spiritually' engaging in it. Same way looking at a woman lustfully, is actually adultery, I would refuse sacrament, as it is cannibalism of the heart.
windigo77 11 months ago
@Lizfan2 LOL, just for you, I think I'm going to visit an LDS church tomorrow, and when they pass around sacrament, I'm going to act all confused, and say in a loud confused voice so everybody can hear, "Wait, you just blessed that to become flesh and blood? I'm not gonna eat that!"
windigo77 11 months ago
@windigo77 By all means, go for it. The priests can explain it better than I can. Maybe they'll open your mind & you'll understand.
Lizfan2 11 months ago
@windigo77 You mormons need to realize something and you listen up, the Catholics have 1.6 Billion members the mormons 12 million satanic cult members, open your mouth about us you mormon pigs and if a holy war were ever to happen I promise you that your satanic cult wouldn;t exist anymore, you mormons seem to enjoy talking shit about Jesus Christ, we would rather do what is of God then baptise dead people and then have sex with them like mormons do
Whyzitsotough 11 months ago
@Whyzitsotough I'm not Mormon. I left the church when I was 14. I'm an Atheist.
windigo77 11 months ago
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puppylov3r2010 1 year ago
I have to admire the guts it takes to go door to door selling something as transparently silly as the Mormon religion. Jehovah's Witnesses have some pretty tough hide too. Hard to imagine committing to two years of such masochism.
Pacisdiligo 1 year ago
@Pacisdiligo What a twat! Your religion isn't much better than any other. You shouldn't even be talking. Mere fool still believing in an organization who teaches altered Jesus' teachings. There is no true church, religions are bullshit. Spirituality is the right way to go, the closest way to be with God.
mexicanboy92840 1 year ago
@mexicanboy92840: My "religion"? I don't remember making mention of any. Your post is a rambling mess. "Spirituality"? What a vague and virtually meaningless term. You might want to take a deep breath and maybe even think for a moment before clicking the "post" button next time. The only "bullshit" I can smell is emanating from the tip of your poison pen.
Pacisdiligo 1 year ago
@Pacisdiligo when the members of the LDS church go on mission, they are not "selling" the mormon religion and to us members it is not silly... people accept and decline, and that is fine, but it is not silly... to us it is serious!
puppylov3r2010 1 year ago
@puppylov3r2010: I believe the term "selling" when it comes to door-to-door proselytizing, is appropriate. The approach is very similar to a sales presentation, only the "product" is a pre-packaged religious belief construct instead of an alarm system or vacuum cleaner. The "salesman" attempts to greet, present, overcome objections and close the deal. In all fairness, evangelism of all stripes may be fairly described in this fashion. It's not necessarily a pejorative. And, yes, it IS silly.
Pacisdiligo 1 year ago
@Pacisdiligo I will agree that they do try and get a point across when they go and talk to people... they go and try to get the truth out about our church so that people are not going off of anti-morman literature alone... I nver considered it "sellig" because of the fact that they are not getting money, but i do understand what you are saying... i appreciate you explaining what you mean... and i see how it could be silly to you...
puppylov3r2010 1 year ago
@puppylov3r2010 There are a few mormon girls in utah that had abortions from ages 15-21 and they are active mormons and some of them went back 2 or 3 times, also another mormon chick who was using heroin while she was pregnant and the kid came out deformed.. oh yeah you mormon girls are just SOOO SOOOO Catholic!!!!
Whyzitsotough 1 year ago
@Whyzitsotough we dont believe in abortion... like i have said a hundred times... get your facts straight
puppylov3r2010 1 year ago
@Whyzitsotough For the record, active Catholic girls do those things too. You act as if you seem to think Catholic girls can do no wrong & Mormon girls are evil incarnate. News flash:active Catholic girls can & do have abortions & do drugs, drink, have sex, etc. We Catholics are no more or less perfect than Mormons. We are all human beings & we all do bad things regardless of our beliefs. That is human nature. We all do both good & bad things. It has nothing to do with religion.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
@Lizfan2 Another mormon girl trying to pose as a Catholic girl.. you people are sick with envy
Whyzitsotough 1 year ago
@Whyzitsotough I'm not posing as anything. I AM a Catholic. I have no reason to lie about it. & why would anyone envy Catholics anyway? Everyone in every religion believes that their religion is the true religion. Who are you to say that any religion is demonic? Did someone appoint you as judge of the human race? Didn't think so. A lot of people in other religions would say that Catholics are demonic because the Catholic Church covered up for pedophile priests. Catholics are not perfect.
Lizfan2 1 year ago
Before you seriously consider serving as LDS, first try laying off the LSD.
CapnKeys 1 year ago
@CapnKeys if you knew the feelings we feel... you would know we are not on LSD... and by the way, we dont do drugs... it is against our religion... do your research...