Man, you wanna stop logging, go out and camp in the forest and MURDER LOGGERS. What about all of the valuable forest area taken up by your shopping malls? Talk about forest management, start taking a sledge hammer to your sidewalks! All Y'all environmentalists bitch about them cutting down the rainforest in foreighn countries, or in different places in your country, but when it comes to deforestation in your own back yard, that's just business. It's just their job! Man's GOTTA WORK!
they gotta work because work is so fucking important! employment is valuable, you're contributing to society? Fuck that shit, know why work is importanat, so other fucks don't have to! You're being exploited and by defending loggers you only allow the corporate elite to maintain it's choke hold and repeatedly slam americans' heads into the dirt!
"You want to see the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human head forever" -George Orewell
I once spoke with a logger who had stated that he had just cut down a tree that was here probably at the time of Jesus. I asked how that made him feel - to cut a tree so ancient. He told me that he worked for the company and was told what trees to cut. He said that if he wanted to work, pay for his family's need to live, then he cut the tree marked. Then he said, "If it isn't me, then someone will cut it." He never answered my question.
Yah well, who cares about that? You would do the some thing if in his position. Most tree huggers are from the city and don't actually know ANYTHING about the forest and how it grows or what it takes to maintain its health. Loggers, farmers, real hard working Americans that have to face the reality of rural life and keep this country running... this is what life is about, not some alternate reality city folks live in because they are so out of touch.
@1overthehillsfaraway I have spent my life in a remote part of the world - The Yukon, an area of almost pristine Boreal forest. I worked in Forest Fire Management and I am intimately aware of the life cycle and health of a living, vibrant forest. I also am able to see past societal conditioning and manufactured economics (resources). That said, I am also very aware of our direct role and responsibility for the use of forest products. It is not an easy situation that we find ourselves today...
i love how loggers are brainwashed into thinking that they are the best thing that ever happened to a forest, when in reality they are the worst possible thing to ever come along into a forest, and as for the video it pretty much proves how they are in it for profit and not forest health, cutting a giant cedar that is healthy is not managining it's called destroying.
@MrTRex777 no dildo that's what i know from managing my own land in northeast washington now go back to ur trailer and beat ur wife u worthless piece of shit
@constipatedkangaroo Your own Land!!! Without a house of course, since cutting timber to build one is BAD! It's just amazing how brainwashed you are in believing that timber harvesting is all bad since it is a renewable resource. We are all in it for profit? It's called contributing to society, being an asset. Unlike Hypocrites like yourself. Go smoke some more weed hippy.
@constipatedkangaroo uhhh yeah by cutting down that tree the trees that are either aready there or are going to be planted will grow faster and healther
Also, supply and demand. If you are supplying lumber all over the world, that fact alone demands that you find more mature trees. Even if your company owns hundreds of thousands of acres which are in various stages of rotation. So, they buy and sell land. Which means that they have no real boundaries. So, sustainability is linked directly to supply. Somewhere between idiot tree hugger and Just log it guy, there are reasonable and educated people who know we need lumber and sustainability.
A forty year crop rotation in and of itself isn't sustainable due to the lack of nutrient cycling. In time, and it's already happening, the soil will leach to the point that macro, secondary and micro nutrients will be deficient. Tree growth is slowing in crop rotations. Eventually, the lack of Nitrogen, Iron, manganese etc. will produce slower and less healthy crops. After several rotations, the ground has to be re planted and allowed to rest. It is sustainable. But not easily.
that is the case with any kind of agriculture. The early British Americans did not know that, and nearly depleted some soil, until German settlers showed them to use manure on their fields (this is documented)
Tree harvests are logically no different, if nutrients are removed then it stands to reason that they must be replaced. However, trees do not use nutrients near to the extent relative to their size and lifespan that field crops do.
Well managed forest will maintain a nutrient balance, largely due to animal activity and the fact that there are other trees in the area. Clear cutting, however, may be another story.
No agriculture is easily sustained, we still haven't figured out how to do that in our farms. "Just log it guy" as you put it is comparable to the early settler who didn't know the cycling needed for North American soil types. To let land st fallow is unnecessary if you know how to manage it.
I'm amazed at the total lack of understanding here. If you want to understand the issue, you have to know the facts. Being a logger doesn't mean you understand the facts. Nutrient cycling, soil composition, crop rotation and boundaries. If you can intelligently discuss these issues, you can begin to intelligently discuss the issue beyond absurd rhetoric. Which is pointless at best. Corporations are strictly profit driven and therefore cannot be trusted to log sustainably. Fact #1
These treehugger groups are made up of liberal college kids who have been taken care of by their parents their whole lives, and freeloaders who get grants and donations from morons who think that timber is not a renewable resource. Not one of them has spend a day of their lives logging and seeing the care we loggers put into maintaining our forests.
We hunt, fish and camp in these forests, as well as work in them almost every day. We care about the forests more than they do.
Netjem- Old growth forests don't need your expert environmental help to thin them out. They should be protected. That doesn't mean your occupation isn't honorable. These big companies need to stay within boundaries. They have huge boundaries to stay in.
Funny comments here about environmental loggers. Lumber is a crop at this point. A forty year cycle of harvesting and re harvesting mostly Doug Fir. That land will never be what it once was and therefore should not spread into natural forests. The problem is that a forty year cycle is not enough for big companies that want to supply the world with lumber. So they continue buying and selling land. The crop cycle is the key to environmentally friendly logging.
That wont happen you idiot its not 1 major genocidal sweep through the forest where they get all the average trees for each log left from a fallen tree at least 3 or more will grow off of it it will never be the case of "what happens when you cut down the last tree?" timber is renewable
You protesters are all the same. Where do you think toilet paper comes from?
Loggers are some of the most environmentally responsible people in the world. They have a unique knowledge of the forest and how best to maintain it . Their work prevents overburden of the forest. (Fires use to do the job, but now we put them all out in order to protect homes)
Loggers.... Working their ass of so you can wipe yours!
I get sick of people protesting logging like none of us loggers give a shit about the forests. Most of us hunt, camp, hike and fish in these wilderness areas. We care about how they look and we do what we can to make them healthier and prevent them from being overgrown and creating a serious wildfire hazard. You try and portray us as evil for what we do, but we are the only ones who do anything to make the forest healthier. Look at the california wildfires. Those could have been prevented.
agreed. What they do has to be done. Besides, I hear it's not loggers destroying all the trees. It's farmers paving them so they can build cow ranches for our cheeseburgers
Timber is a renewable resource, just like farm crops. If you knew anything about the timber industry, you would probably know that the forestry dept most likely selected that tree to be harvested because it had reached a stage where it was beginning to die. When that tree had rotted and eventually blew over in a windstorm, it would have went to waste when it could have went to good use in building a home for a family. Go spew your liberal college kid bullshit somewhere else.
ok, i see both sides here, but it seems you dont want average trees cut, and you dont want blow downs logged...so then what? in the bwca they could have pulled have the wood, cut the fire danger, and saved a bunch of live healthy trees..and left some for nature too, a win win if you will. i work in a sawmill and see mostly healthy young average trees....they could be left to mature
they wont all dissapear just like that think of this every tree cut down means 3 new trees becuase stumps become nurse logs there are not alot of loggers in this area so this one wont be depleated any time soon and also the logger in the movie doesn't clear cut so the little ones can still grow
look at the boundry waters canoe area in minneasota, they wouldnt allow logging there or engines at all. a massive storm knocked down all the big pines and they still wouldnt allow loggers in, THATS a waste and a huge fire hazard
@pulppeeler IN the bad fire year of 2000 millions of board feet worth of timber was killed. Here in Montana. They wouldn't let them log much if it either. Now it is all rotten and falling down. Such a waste.
Pickin the lean ,and saveing them out. That's wat we like to see. Play safe
canadiantreekiller 7 months ago
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400sean 9 months ago
Man, you wanna stop logging, go out and camp in the forest and MURDER LOGGERS. What about all of the valuable forest area taken up by your shopping malls? Talk about forest management, start taking a sledge hammer to your sidewalks! All Y'all environmentalists bitch about them cutting down the rainforest in foreighn countries, or in different places in your country, but when it comes to deforestation in your own back yard, that's just business. It's just their job! Man's GOTTA WORK!
mackawack12346 9 months ago
they gotta work because work is so fucking important! employment is valuable, you're contributing to society? Fuck that shit, know why work is importanat, so other fucks don't have to! You're being exploited and by defending loggers you only allow the corporate elite to maintain it's choke hold and repeatedly slam americans' heads into the dirt!
"You want to see the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human head forever" -George Orewell
mackawack12346 9 months ago
LOL, "hide the back cut hide the back cut"
o56kid 10 months ago
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prmccormick 11 months ago
I once spoke with a logger who had stated that he had just cut down a tree that was here probably at the time of Jesus. I asked how that made him feel - to cut a tree so ancient. He told me that he worked for the company and was told what trees to cut. He said that if he wanted to work, pay for his family's need to live, then he cut the tree marked. Then he said, "If it isn't me, then someone will cut it." He never answered my question.
prmccormick 11 months ago
@prmccormick yes he did answer your question- he MAY NOT have liked his task BUT he provided for his families survival
ndacedarwood 10 months ago
@prmccormick
Yah well, who cares about that? You would do the some thing if in his position. Most tree huggers are from the city and don't actually know ANYTHING about the forest and how it grows or what it takes to maintain its health. Loggers, farmers, real hard working Americans that have to face the reality of rural life and keep this country running... this is what life is about, not some alternate reality city folks live in because they are so out of touch.
1overthehillsfaraway 9 months ago
@1overthehillsfaraway I have spent my life in a remote part of the world - The Yukon, an area of almost pristine Boreal forest. I worked in Forest Fire Management and I am intimately aware of the life cycle and health of a living, vibrant forest. I also am able to see past societal conditioning and manufactured economics (resources). That said, I am also very aware of our direct role and responsibility for the use of forest products. It is not an easy situation that we find ourselves today...
prmccormick 9 months ago
i love how loggers are brainwashed into thinking that they are the best thing that ever happened to a forest, when in reality they are the worst possible thing to ever come along into a forest, and as for the video it pretty much proves how they are in it for profit and not forest health, cutting a giant cedar that is healthy is not managining it's called destroying.
constipatedkangaroo 1 year ago
@constipatedkangaroo Is that what your college professer told you? You just stay living in your over populated city and we'll manage the forest.
MrTRex777 1 year ago
@MrTRex777 no dildo that's what i know from managing my own land in northeast washington now go back to ur trailer and beat ur wife u worthless piece of shit
constipatedkangaroo 1 year ago
@constipatedkangaroo Your own Land!!! Without a house of course, since cutting timber to build one is BAD! It's just amazing how brainwashed you are in believing that timber harvesting is all bad since it is a renewable resource. We are all in it for profit? It's called contributing to society, being an asset. Unlike Hypocrites like yourself. Go smoke some more weed hippy.
MrTRex777 1 year ago
@constipatedkangaroo uhhh yeah by cutting down that tree the trees that are either aready there or are going to be planted will grow faster and healther
norcallogger 1 year ago
Also, supply and demand. If you are supplying lumber all over the world, that fact alone demands that you find more mature trees. Even if your company owns hundreds of thousands of acres which are in various stages of rotation. So, they buy and sell land. Which means that they have no real boundaries. So, sustainability is linked directly to supply. Somewhere between idiot tree hugger and Just log it guy, there are reasonable and educated people who know we need lumber and sustainability.
owemylife 2 years ago
A forty year crop rotation in and of itself isn't sustainable due to the lack of nutrient cycling. In time, and it's already happening, the soil will leach to the point that macro, secondary and micro nutrients will be deficient. Tree growth is slowing in crop rotations. Eventually, the lack of Nitrogen, Iron, manganese etc. will produce slower and less healthy crops. After several rotations, the ground has to be re planted and allowed to rest. It is sustainable. But not easily.
owemylife 2 years ago
that is the case with any kind of agriculture. The early British Americans did not know that, and nearly depleted some soil, until German settlers showed them to use manure on their fields (this is documented)
Tree harvests are logically no different, if nutrients are removed then it stands to reason that they must be replaced. However, trees do not use nutrients near to the extent relative to their size and lifespan that field crops do.
DLBBAM 2 years ago
Well managed forest will maintain a nutrient balance, largely due to animal activity and the fact that there are other trees in the area. Clear cutting, however, may be another story.
No agriculture is easily sustained, we still haven't figured out how to do that in our farms. "Just log it guy" as you put it is comparable to the early settler who didn't know the cycling needed for North American soil types. To let land st fallow is unnecessary if you know how to manage it.
DLBBAM 2 years ago
I'm amazed at the total lack of understanding here. If you want to understand the issue, you have to know the facts. Being a logger doesn't mean you understand the facts. Nutrient cycling, soil composition, crop rotation and boundaries. If you can intelligently discuss these issues, you can begin to intelligently discuss the issue beyond absurd rhetoric. Which is pointless at best. Corporations are strictly profit driven and therefore cannot be trusted to log sustainably. Fact #1
owemylife 2 years ago
These treehugger groups are made up of liberal college kids who have been taken care of by their parents their whole lives, and freeloaders who get grants and donations from morons who think that timber is not a renewable resource. Not one of them has spend a day of their lives logging and seeing the care we loggers put into maintaining our forests.
We hunt, fish and camp in these forests, as well as work in them almost every day. We care about the forests more than they do.
1981Warpath 2 years ago
people not to be rude but trees go to wast after they get old so why not use them while there still good
bigjohndeere86 2 years ago
about as hi tech as it gets in kiwiland
mugwamp4 2 years ago
are you serius ? that tree takes 500 years to get to that state fucking idiots
migueldELLO 2 years ago
Man I hope they don't "come bag". This trees wood suck a wood areas rectum. Protected german felling will bag come ?
LOL...What the fuck ?
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reedy1269 2 years ago
please explain
mugwamp4 2 years ago
Sorry....I was just making fun of how sequoiaohz worded their comment.
reedy1269 2 years ago
Keep up the good work my bro...On behalf of the N.Z loggers
addyBITCH 2 years ago
Netjem- Old growth forests don't need your expert environmental help to thin them out. They should be protected. That doesn't mean your occupation isn't honorable. These big companies need to stay within boundaries. They have huge boundaries to stay in.
owemylife 2 years ago
Funny comments here about environmental loggers. Lumber is a crop at this point. A forty year cycle of harvesting and re harvesting mostly Doug Fir. That land will never be what it once was and therefore should not spread into natural forests. The problem is that a forty year cycle is not enough for big companies that want to supply the world with lumber. So they continue buying and selling land. The crop cycle is the key to environmentally friendly logging.
owemylife 2 years ago
well said my friend
bigjohndeere86 2 years ago
Hide the back cut......LOL. Nice.
Graiskye 2 years ago
That wont happen you idiot its not 1 major genocidal sweep through the forest where they get all the average trees for each log left from a fallen tree at least 3 or more will grow off of it it will never be the case of "what happens when you cut down the last tree?" timber is renewable
littlesaiyan 2 years ago
You protesters are all the same. Where do you think toilet paper comes from?
Loggers are some of the most environmentally responsible people in the world. They have a unique knowledge of the forest and how best to maintain it . Their work prevents overburden of the forest. (Fires use to do the job, but now we put them all out in order to protect homes)
Loggers.... Working their ass of so you can wipe yours!
netjem 3 years ago 11
I get sick of people protesting logging like none of us loggers give a shit about the forests. Most of us hunt, camp, hike and fish in these wilderness areas. We care about how they look and we do what we can to make them healthier and prevent them from being overgrown and creating a serious wildfire hazard. You try and portray us as evil for what we do, but we are the only ones who do anything to make the forest healthier. Look at the california wildfires. Those could have been prevented.
1981Warpath 3 years ago
agreed. What they do has to be done. Besides, I hear it's not loggers destroying all the trees. It's farmers paving them so they can build cow ranches for our cheeseburgers
Dragonrider1227 3 years ago
Timber is a renewable resource, just like farm crops. If you knew anything about the timber industry, you would probably know that the forestry dept most likely selected that tree to be harvested because it had reached a stage where it was beginning to die. When that tree had rotted and eventually blew over in a windstorm, it would have went to waste when it could have went to good use in building a home for a family. Go spew your liberal college kid bullshit somewhere else.
1981Warpath 3 years ago
ok, i see both sides here, but it seems you dont want average trees cut, and you dont want blow downs logged...so then what? in the bwca they could have pulled have the wood, cut the fire danger, and saved a bunch of live healthy trees..and left some for nature too, a win win if you will. i work in a sawmill and see mostly healthy young average trees....they could be left to mature
pulppeeler 3 years ago
and if machinery is the problem, i know quite a few ppl who log reomote areas around here with horse teams that would love a job like that
pulppeeler 3 years ago
they wont all dissapear just like that think of this every tree cut down means 3 new trees becuase stumps become nurse logs there are not alot of loggers in this area so this one wont be depleated any time soon and also the logger in the movie doesn't clear cut so the little ones can still grow
littlesaiyan 3 years ago
look at the boundry waters canoe area in minneasota, they wouldnt allow logging there or engines at all. a massive storm knocked down all the big pines and they still wouldnt allow loggers in, THATS a waste and a huge fire hazard
pulppeeler 3 years ago 6
@pulppeeler IN the bad fire year of 2000 millions of board feet worth of timber was killed. Here in Montana. They wouldn't let them log much if it either. Now it is all rotten and falling down. Such a waste.
widgeonslayer 1 year ago
no no no you dont understand those are average trees its in canada bay-b where everything is bigger big trees to us are 4 times that size XDD
littlesaiyan 3 years ago
Please put some videos like this to you tube
Thanks
Gasteraner
Gasteraner 3 years ago
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That guy is a hack............
Busheler 4 years ago
thtas also my dad really this is the other son logan
MetalicSlug 4 years ago
thats my dad jimhaywood
littlesaiyan 4 years ago