plethora of change. khairy you are an embarrassment ti whichever institution of higher learning you supposedly came from. right know you rank at the same level as professor kong kang
1 Question.. "DID THEY, BERSIH 2.0 CARRY KNIVES????" Besides that, Who Are The "THEY", Who were involved in BERSIH 2,0? What I HEARD WAS POOR FAMILY Who Was Having a Holiday at there, or carried by buses; PAID TO GO THERE, WITH THEIR KIDS, AND MAKE A Rally against the GOVT!!!!"
Well, we have election every five year! The system isn't fair with all means of cheating: buying voters, diluting ballot counting with postal ballots, voters vote twice with two different ID Cards, bribery and etc etc... This how the current govt continue to hold the powers. That moronic ass trying to defend for fair election and democracy... The monkey and bunch of suckers in the current government have their own definition of democracy. In fact, it is DEMOCRAZY instead of democracy!!!
Where is the hope for improvement if Malaysia is run by these crooked mind leaders~ These guys are clearly under educated~ They carry a Kampung mindset~
Malaysian government said that “Perhimpunan Yang Haram for bearish rally” But 50,000 people attended on that days rally and how can this government say that haram again. At the say time Ummo Youth also attended for this rally are they haram to……..????????
Where did this guys get thier education? Ho my god. Embarassing & with great dissapointment of our country's political standard. Why send khairy andd Nazri..They car’t answer a simple question’s & their explaination are all out of grammers. It’s a pitty for Malaysia to have this kind of ministers………….
That's good enough, KJ. Al Jazeera doesn't want to hear anymore rubbish from u. Oh....ya, Nazri, u r still there, u may go home now. Thank you for Mr. Malik Imtiaz, u hav done a great job.
stubborn headed people. so arrogant. they pay off people to vote for them. newspapers are full off bullcrap. of course ill-informed people will vote for these donkeys.
Even if you claimed it was MINORITY,it still the VOICES of the PEOPLE.. BN like it or Don't like it they need to sit down talk n listen! Lmao,just wait coming GE we all MALAYSIAN will voted u OUT for the Good of OUR (NOT BN...) MALAYSIA!
Nazri is a jackass ,umno should be embarassed to have members like idiotic nazri and khairy despite khairys good languange command n presentability but truth b told he is an animal more savage than any foul beast
haiya nazri buat malu saja cakap english ....english lu lintang pukanglah...lebih baik balik kampung jual katak goreng atau cari kerja dari kaum Cina lah go to hell you hipokrit!!!!!
Barisan Nasional (headed by UMNO & MCA etc.) can become opposition parties very soon.
(1st, Anwar will get his daughter or wife or others to resign as MP, and he will go for re-election. He will win as a MP.)
Then, Anwar can convince Sabah and Sarawak to come out from BN and join the new opposition front.
Then Anwar will be the Prime Minister, and he can appoint 5-deputy prime ministers from major parties. In this case, the NEW Barisan Front will rule Malaysia with dignity.
All is WORKING WELL for THESE CADS here NOT for all MALAYsians. poverty is everywhere especially in rural areas. GET OUT AND DO THE JOB YOU RE VOTED IN FOR- FEED & educate THE PEOPLE !
Shame!! GOD has eyes and will judge you. These people can't NOT real muslims
Khairy Jamaluddin will come out from UMNO YOUTH one day.
He will contest for the UMNO top position, even the top post in the Government.
But he will face Najib Tun Razak's competition.
who will win?
Najib Tun Razak has no talent, but he dare to do anything to (KILL) his opponent. (Remember in 1987 he said his dagger wants to drink Chinese blood? He will do it his way, watch out Khairy.)
Khairy has talent, young and aggressive, he should win.
Najib Tun Razak has no talent, but he dare to do anything to (KILL) his opponent. (Remember in 1987 he said his dagger wants to drink Chinese blood? He will do it his way, watch out Khairy.)
"KILL" here, doesn't mean physically killing KHAIRI, it means Najib will try his very best to knockout Khairi.
KJ is an ass. WTF...no need for institutional reform? Yeah right, the majority voted for them!! The system is rigged!! And here I am overseas and I'm not even allowed to cast my ballot by a postal vote! You call this Democracy?
If i got a dollar for every time Nazri contradicted himself, I'd be rich. Systems that are not receptive to change are closed systems, and while they may maintain control in the short run, they are doomed in the long run. Take for example, the recording industry (which is a type of system): their failure to adapt to the file sharing revolution cost them billions in losses. Systems have to evolve with changes in time. Nazri's ignorance of that fact reflects the mentality of our nation's leaders.
Read the Malaysia Constitution for answer to " Malay "special rights or privileges", They are no where to be found ! Only "special position of Malays" (to safeguard backward Malay), appears in Article 153, which is "Reservation (quotas) of services, permits, etc, for Malays". The fault is our politicians twisting, misinterpreting and abusing Article 153 for their own gains and Article 153 will not be complete without reading Article 89 (equality for all races).
Dude... I think everybody is missing something here... who voted for these Retard to talk in front of the camera like this?? And who doesn't do anything to stop those retard from being voted?? Stop whinning and go to your nearest post office to register for election. And vote for the one that fits the position, not those that belanja roti canai or give ang pow.
aku tgk gaya KJ dgn nazri ni mcm pakar je...tapi bile dgr poin/hujah depa, terkejut beruk aku...beruk tak terkejut macam aku...ada ke patut depa dua orang ni ckp camtuh...bahlul betol la. Mcmn la dua orang ni bleh jadi orang ternama UMNO ye? Puak2 umno ni tak kisah ke dgn kualiti dan imej diorang nih? memalukan betol la....adei.
aku sendiri pegi bersih punye demo.mule mule ok lepas polis datang bagi amaran baling air baru kecoh sebab kite semua nak cabut .bukan kite nak bantai fru.fru yg nak bantai kiteorang.lepastu macam lah khairy tak pernah buat demo .die yg terjerit jerit masa gondoliza rise tu datang.
Budak monyet umno dua ekor tu belagak tak tentu pasal.nak terjerit bila berckap.aku tengok dr malik tu cakap relekz je.memang kite dapat lihat bila pilihan raya mane ade dieoarng cakap pasal parti pembakang .yang media cakap tentang keburukan pembangkang. memang teruk umno.kite tidak seharusnye menghantar due orang monyet untuk membari comment bodoh mereka dekat al jazeera .orang umno tak pegi sekolah.
"How can they say the rally was for peaceful purposes when the participants were opposition leaders and unlawful organizations?"
The above statement is somewhat distorted from truth.The rally was planned as a peaceful rally,not for peaceful purposes.But the theme is for political purposes..so what? Its for a fairer ELECTION process. And the rally DID resulted an electorial reform..KUDOS!
After all not everyone has the tendency to hold uncivilised protest like the 3rd world scene like bersih....Pls. The majority's still being rational and sane.
We all know if a public gathering involving more than 5 persons requires permit. To simplify things, the gov't didn't allow the rally for obvious reasons: The rally was strongly backed by the opposition...clearly it shows the rally was political motivated. It's not like the police didn't issued permits to opposition gathering before...duh! Only for this particular case tht the permit wasn't being issued coz it's a political attack ma!
C'mon guys...We all know Bersih Rally was illegal due to no permit. The gov't didn't issue the permit out of fear that the violent rally at Batu Buruk might happen again. When there was too much crowds (whom we all know hate the gov't) were out in public venues, how could the police control each of them. How could the police ensure that no one was carrying weapons? How could we ensure tht some irresponsible individuals might take advantage from the rally?
"The gov't didn't issue the permit out of fear that the violent rally at Batu Buruk might happen again."
The difference of opinion doesn't constitute the legality of any rally. Most importantly, Government shall not be the deciding party; it's called "police state.
wow i think he will make it based on the recent racist remarks he had made in the parliament debate and the heroin attitude for certain group of people over the press would certainly add a lot of extra points for him i guess but what to do??????
Wow amazing views by legally trained lawyer Min. Entertaining & Misleading democracy accord 2 him is about minority follows blindly 2 majority view, what an absurd statement from him, 4 his knowledge, broaden meaning 4 democracy also include freedom 4 expression & freedom 2 hv peaceful assembly as a mean 2 voice out one's opinions; thoughts/ideas, about respecting a human basic rights as guanrantee under constitution..Now i begins 2 wonder...Is he qualify 2 sit in the cabinet; Wow
bulshit KJ n Nadzri, the truth being hide actually the ppl who elected you should be dissapointed, listen and learn from Malik.
pls refer to Oxford disctionary and find the real meaning for : democracy, freedom, sincere, honest, and pls improve your english b4 attending any international forum esp. for the live one. amat memalukan.. the way you smile when KJ safed you..
The fear to lose his seat has cause Badawi to act worse than Mahathir on this issue. He has lost his ball when he saw the nation stand up so he has to use marshal law if he felt threaten on losing his seat.
khairy nearly had me fooled there bt good defence though, show that ur civilized not like that pig nazri. its not true, we cant be heard, we are not heard and they are not doing enough. want a good example?how bad is ur streamyx connections? has anything been done about it?
If the democratic process does not provide sufficient representation, then there is a need for civil society to uphold their freedom of assembly. But for one thing, I'm proud that KJ actually have the brains and the sneakiness to answer these questions with sophistication. But Nazri needs to look in a mirror before he accuses someone of calling anyone stupid, lest he appear stupid himself. Definetely needs a lesson in argumentation from KJ.
please, the people voting for them is not stupid because of themselves but their idiocy and their intellectual laziness that they have, would have been provided by the 'power-craze blokes'.
it would be harsh to call them stupid because of voting, it was pointed out by imtiaz clearly that people were uninformed and blinded. seeing this in a different view, imtiaz sure have my respect. he dont really stand for the opposition, he's looking from a sane view.
- system is deteriorating .. and due largely to wrong ppl in the govt .. not brave enough to call a spade a spade and some cannot recognised system flaws and the need and urgency 4 change etc
Thanks to al Jazeera for bringing news of our Gov't craziness to the world.....
I hope Al Jazeera and other international news channel will provide more pro-opposition news during the next general election as our biased local tv channels suck!!!
cik ezaneismail, u ni putri umno eh?? patut laaa nampak cam x paham aper satu benda pastu nak tunjuk mcm pandai.. tapi xheran laa.. sbb IPT di malaysia ni mmg x sampai standard international pun.. tapi kalo cik ni SPM jer, then xyah laaa buang masa kat youtube ni.. lebih baik gi amik course menjahit ker.. leh gak tambah duit poket.. ;)
u ckp pasal apa u sendiri pun x lulus PMR. Lebih baik u diam saja. x ada kerja lainkah, asik nak cakap hal orang saja.U cakap pasal IPT sebab u sendiri x pernah belajar hingga ke IPT. Mungkin u pernah belajar di IPT orang gila kot.
cik jumrah, camni ker cara nak backing kawan putri umno u tu?? iskh.. pity lil' jumrah.. cuba laa jawab something dengan 'point' sket.. bukan main blasah jer.. kalo i x lulus pmr pun takpe sbb at least i ader degree dari sussex. so.. jangan banyak sngt dengar dangdut tu k.. ;)
ala name je sussex, tapi takat bace buku skolah je, general knowledge sampah tak gune gak...ade 3 -4 la uni maysia yang masuk top 500 uni in the world...read more okay?...jgn blaja buku skolahrajin2 sgt, last2 ko bukan pakai ferarri pun...baik start dgr dangdut...bende2 general knowledge ko tak tau, atleast leh aa menyanyi ke ape..kalau sore ko sedap aa..k?
rubbish n pointless!!!!why a yellow waves of thousand people can`t be a barometer???it was a strong spirit that shown our people need a fair and clean election..
cakap melayu je la dude, english ko betabo la, nampak benau ko lagi bodoh, post dalam kerajaan takde, english pun cam tak berape nak elok....cakap bahase ibunda ok next time...nak2 kalau nak cakap org lain bodo ke king of stupid ke ape...k?
nazri & KJ looked so stupid and arrogant... mereka ingat yang mereka bercakap dengan orang yang setaraf dengan mereka... depa tak sedar yang para penonton jauh lebih matang dan pintar dari mereka....
I see no essence in our dear minister. Defiant and ignorant. Embarassing~~. They can only mention that the parade involved the so-called "minority". Disappointing~~ No logical thinking at all.
What he meant was the mainstream papers like NST and BH should report independently without needing a federal editor breathing down their necks. They have the largest reader base in the country, if BN controls them, BN controls the mind of the nation. My dad once criticized a minister in the opinion section of NST once and they blocked his comment. Call that democratic? I totally agree with Imtiaz.
aljazeera membantu pas dalam kempen pilihan raya =) Aljazeera cuba tunjukkan dunia pak menteri botak ni mmg bodoh dan menatunya yg maha jilat bontot bapaknya. KJ tu rakyat mcm kita jgk,blah la KJ. eeeeiiii..takoot lah kena ISA cakap lebih2 nih..
fleestylerr88 - I fully agree with you. Think we will have to wait for the results of the next elections. Very doubtful if BN can obtain a 2/3 majority - too many worms dug up lately to show what BN really is. Just deny BN the 2/3 and our lives will be better
hahah...ignorent ppl.. it was NOT a failure it was a SUCCESS.. it was not a perhimpunan BT a march to hand a memorandum to the King.. and it happened..
Nobody says that The Agong supports for the Bersih rally. Even PAS never mention about the blessing stuff. What they are saying, The Agong ready to receive the BERSIH Memorandum... that's all.
nessilya, please could you read/get more information and do not rely on the mainstream media which has been controlled by the gov. Baca news kat malaysia-today or harakahdaily, bagi otak balance skit.
can I suggest we compile all of youtube videos related on this issues & put them all in a cd & distribute them to all Malaysians. Pity those who have no internet connection & those who rely on RTM & MEdia Prima & local newspaper only.
Yang Dipertuan Agung tidak pernah merestui perhimpunan dan tindakan bodoh ini.Rujuk salinan press release Istana Negara..
I bet Harakah website, Adil, DAP, and Malaysia Kini could not show the copy to you all as they did with other document.Very hard to accept reality maybe..
Its ok..you can always get the truth from Utusan, Berita, Metro, Sinar and a press release from Istana Negara.
Khairy, your "powderful" English doesn't get you off the hook for trying to circumvent many of the questions. Nazri, your "lagi powderful engrish" leaves me in awe. No need for a change? No problems with the system? You have got to be living in a hole a mile below ground to think that way.
Wasn't it obvious how the ones who were more agitated were the gahmen people?
Another counterpoint. UMNO/BN may be able to muster one million to march, but there's a *huge* difference in that their "supporters" would not have to face the stigma of an "illegal" assembly, police blockades, and would find open "support" from the mainstream media. It took amazing courage for the thousands who marched that Saturday in spite of all the warnings from the authorities, right up to the very head of government.
Khairy, pls, you are still very young, you are supposed to observe and learn from the more experienced in order to become wiser. Pls stop making bold but irresponsible remarks and show your mediocrity. Transparent boxes, making sure voters don't vote twice...these are all basic necessities of election. Any donkeys would have thought of that. And you actually take pride in doing what donkeys would do??!! Come on...give yourself a break!
Khairy is being groomed for bigger posts in future.. of course he's busy covering the asses of his bosses.. He sold his soul out to UNMO for future power. I've met Nazri in London. The way he addresses issues to the younger Malay students is totally different than to Kampung folks. He tugs at their hearts that the gov(UMNO without shoutin out his political party) that they need time to change and that young malays should help the country change..
implying that to help better the country they should join UMNO incidiously of course... and once in, he seduces these young flegdings with power and corruption, trapping these young malays forever, cos once you've been corrupt, they can blackmail you forever. I trust this is how they do their dirty conversions of these otherwise bright politcally awared and just young Malays.. our hopes and futures.. tainted..
As a leader and representative of the people, you should listen to people's opinion and at least do some study on their opinion. Not every time you can just say yes or no based on your own idea. You are elected to serve malaysians, you are not elected to become the boss of malaysians! So you should definitely listen to malaysians' voices!
Nazri:"What you demand is not necessary right." Is building a bungalow on gov't land without permit but still remained a free man after being discovered right/wrong? You people don't know anything about right and wrong. So stop treating everyone else as if they are idiots and stop acting as if you are smart enough to run the show! You people have contributed absolutely nothing to the country since you took over. I condemn you for tearing apart a once beautiful country/society of Malaysia.
The perception that they are stupid is a matter of fact,ironic. I wouldn't judge them as stupid, just cunning... As their daily bread and glutton-ability depends on it,they had to give their best shot and try to convince people by reinforcement of empty talks (or reiteration).
Al-Jazeera: Is it ur view there is no need at all for institutional reform in m'sia?
that there is no...there are no question to be asked about the cleanliness of ur electoral process, there are no coruption issues to be addressed, that the institutional reform that has been asked for
by both the oppositions and various civil society groups...?
Nazri: Yes,..i don't think there's any need for the institutional reform because the system has errr....work well for the last 50 years...
To conclude that our democracy system need no changes would not have triggered rally such as the one happened recently. UMNO is led by shallows who expect their audience is as shallow as them. Shame to the son-in-law who graduated from Oxford.
pas byk kali ajak debate tp umno yg byk alasan kalau ada pn, depa hantar budak2 depa je contohnya depa hantar pemuda umno itu pn ketua pemuda tk pi,hantar wakil pastu kena belasah teruk ngan ketua pemuda pas kesian... tgk la bila kj jadi ketua pemuda mane tau dia ada berani nk debat semula ke kita tunggu je laa
Let's see...how many people in Malaysia actually have computer access...and how many of em have internet access. How many people in Malaysia can watch aljazeera or watch aljazeera on tv. How many Malaysians do actually understand English properly...Hmm. Lastly how many Malaysians care to watch this...because Pak Lah and the gang have already told them about this issue.
Imtiaz last comment was a good wrap, but was cut off to allow Nazri to conclude that BERSIH had failed. Good forum. But nothing new, we already expected that Nazri and Khairy would have said. BTW, Khairy had a glitch in speeches. He's always thinking that he's "precise". If he's so "PRECISE", bring out data and facts. He talks quite empty, but keep saying "PRECISELY". Doesn't sounds like a university graduate to me.
plethora of change. khairy you are an embarrassment ti whichever institution of higher learning you supposedly came from. right know you rank at the same level as professor kong kang
merahboy69 2 weeks ago
saya melayu tetapi saya suka cara orang india ni belasah pengkhianat bangsa saya.
this indian guy just make KJ and nazri naked like a COCKY COCK!
TheRockaholic10 1 month ago
The media portrayals of the supporters of the rally was HUGE, But it was actually "SMALL Minorities" dude... This is Stupid..
nurul113250 2 months ago
1 Question.. "DID THEY, BERSIH 2.0 CARRY KNIVES????" Besides that, Who Are The "THEY", Who were involved in BERSIH 2,0? What I HEARD WAS POOR FAMILY Who Was Having a Holiday at there, or carried by buses; PAID TO GO THERE, WITH THEIR KIDS, AND MAKE A Rally against the GOVT!!!!"
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jaymesyap 6 months ago
nazri and kairy, shame on both of you, is not call as umno, it Unknown.
paklahlah 7 months ago
And you were not elected by the people, you cheated.. please, don't talk big...
stslkm0211 7 months ago
Because you are dumb, to you, 1+1 is - 2, that's why you can't even differentiate 6 thousand and 50 thousand...
stslkm0211 7 months ago
kcian,,,xdapat jawapan menteri juga aq ni,,,pak mentua pon xbg,,hahahahha
manap92 7 months ago
love to hear malik speaking...
abgAries 7 months ago
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abgAries 7 months ago
bermati-matian nak tutup lobang
affanahmad 7 months ago
What changes KJ? still don't see anything lol
GPyao 7 months ago
Well, we have election every five year! The system isn't fair with all means of cheating: buying voters, diluting ballot counting with postal ballots, voters vote twice with two different ID Cards, bribery and etc etc... This how the current govt continue to hold the powers. That moronic ass trying to defend for fair election and democracy... The monkey and bunch of suckers in the current government have their own definition of democracy. In fact, it is DEMOCRAZY instead of democracy!!!
chapht 7 months ago
Malik Imtiaz Sarwar: I'm not saying the public are stupid, I'm saying that you (Nazri) are dumbass!
hidemichimomo 7 months ago
MALIK OWNED THEM
ironmouth1979 7 months ago
FUCK U LA.... AS LONG AS UMNO IS ALIVE THEY CONTROL THE MEDIA .... FUCKING TURDS
ironmouth1979 7 months ago
3 dislikes were nazri, khairi n najib.
sidhartha1 7 months ago
Where is the hope for improvement if Malaysia is run by these crooked mind leaders~ These guys are clearly under educated~ They carry a Kampung mindset~
edwar74 7 months ago
Voted by PTI.. cheating cheaters...BN
good417461 7 months ago
Voted by postal vote invesible people...
good417461 7 months ago
what we are trying to say is not right?!and "at the end of the day we will decide"?
democracy?! LOL!
jiazhan 7 months ago
Malaysian government said that “Perhimpunan Yang Haram for bearish rally” But 50,000 people attended on that days rally and how can this government say that haram again. At the say time Ummo Youth also attended for this rally are they haram to……..????????
premboy75 7 months ago
Where did this guys get thier education? Ho my god. Embarassing & with great dissapointment of our country's political standard. Why send khairy andd Nazri..They car’t answer a simple question’s & their explaination are all out of grammers. It’s a pitty for Malaysia to have this kind of ministers………….
premboy75 7 months ago
@premboy75 Aljazeera purposely invite this two bozos to show the world how stupid-dumbshit-Goddamn-Mutherfucker they are!
hidemichimomo 7 months ago 5
Malik Imtiaz Sarwar YOU THE MAN!!
TheGreenNiner 7 months ago
That's good enough, KJ. Al Jazeera doesn't want to hear anymore rubbish from u. Oh....ya, Nazri, u r still there, u may go home now. Thank you for Mr. Malik Imtiaz, u hav done a great job.
eesworld 7 months ago 2
1 million? Patriot had not more than 300 people tard!
mukmin01 7 months ago 3
stubborn headed people. so arrogant. they pay off people to vote for them. newspapers are full off bullcrap. of course ill-informed people will vote for these donkeys.
stephpetrus 7 months ago
system is ok? work well for 50 years? WTF!
zhao62000 7 months ago 4
Even if you claimed it was MINORITY,it still the VOICES of the PEOPLE.. BN like it or Don't like it they need to sit down talk n listen! Lmao,just wait coming GE we all MALAYSIAN will voted u OUT for the Good of OUR (NOT BN...) MALAYSIA!
gordon7301x 7 months ago 2
we people like Malik
myyrules 7 months ago 2
Yar sure the system is nothing wrong if you keep winning, if you lost your power then you will start to see how flaws it is
Y0uWinY 7 months ago
He is not elected by the PEOPLE. He is elected by the CORRUPT.
geonlansis 7 months ago
KJ was fine..so is Malik..but Nazri truely lacking in intelligence magnified significantly here
akupung 7 months ago
Nazri, why do you bother to argue "we represent the people".... ZzZzZ
azmanotaku 7 months ago
so much arrogance from nazri, dislike :'(
MrKangarooman 10 months ago
Nazri is a retard
sumedocineey 1 year ago
KJ is brave ...debate with malik imtiaz and al jazeera
hakeem85 2 years ago
please don't think al jazeera didn't make an investegation before they conduct an interview .
please stop try to keep lying infront of the world ,i felt very emberassing as a Malaysian after i watch this interview .
niama963tiulei 3 years ago 3
Kj might have a good command of english and articulate, but he lacks SUBSTANCES.
nbu646 3 years ago
kj and nasri could lick each others' bums!! fucked up shits!
sharlinie 3 years ago
Nazri is a jackass ,umno should be embarassed to have members like idiotic nazri and khairy despite khairys good languange command n presentability but truth b told he is an animal more savage than any foul beast
ravinz86 3 years ago
The people that Nazri is referring now composed majoritily of Sabahan and Sarawakan. Not the mainstream Chinese, Malay and Indian in Peninsula.
tongsaa 3 years ago
thats a good place to end this forum...
(Kelantan)
haahhaha
shame on khairy!!
erilanmac 3 years ago
haiya nazri buat malu saja cakap english ....english lu lintang pukanglah...lebih baik balik kampung jual katak goreng atau cari kerja dari kaum Cina lah go to hell you hipokrit!!!!!
rapidfire64 3 years ago
Right now BN/UMNO is the government, but this weak formation may be overturned by opposition parties anytime.
Imagine, when Sarawak & Sabah have decided to defect or switch camp. The table will turn against BN/UMNO.
YesMrRight would like to plead to Whoever forms the government of Malaysia--
Please,
1) treat all races fair & equal;
2) anti-corruption;
3) abolish N.E.P.;
4) strip I.S.A.;
5) for the benefits of all Malaysians.
Viva Malaysia.
YesMrRight 3 years ago
If there is any racial riot, Chinese & Indians suffer, MALAYS suffer too.
Majority Malays need to work, need to live, need to move around freely. Do you think they want to see racial riots in Malaysia?
Majority of Malays are Good-hearted, peaceful people. They don't want to see races fighting too.
BUT, politicians like Hishammuddin, Khairi etc.. will be spared from problem.
Why? Because they have money and they can hid somewhere.
Malays must be smart, don't listen to these racists.
YesMrRight 4 years ago
BN won, but less than 2/3. This proved that absolute power is still in the hands of people.
UMNO needs to warn its own members like Hishammuddin / Khairi / Nzari etc put down their keris.
Remember, if there is a racial riot, Chinese & Indians suffer, MALAYS suffer too.
Majority of Malays are good people, they don't want to see bloodshed.
Without Malays support, opposition can't get so many MP seats and can't win 4 states.
All parties shall learn from this & be fair to every Malaysian.
YesMrRight 4 years ago
Soon KJ and Nasri will be gone to...
errrmmmsedapnya 4 years ago 2
Barisan Nasional (headed by UMNO & MCA etc.) can become opposition parties very soon.
(1st, Anwar will get his daughter or wife or others to resign as MP, and he will go for re-election. He will win as a MP.)
Then, Anwar can convince Sabah and Sarawak to come out from BN and join the new opposition front.
Then Anwar will be the Prime Minister, and he can appoint 5-deputy prime ministers from major parties. In this case, the NEW Barisan Front will rule Malaysia with dignity.
YesMrRight 4 years ago
indelible ink usage? aiyo KJ, lies after lies.. u think AlJazeera can buy that? isk.. r u from harvard? sure or not????
marecza 4 years ago
Khairy Jamaluddin is such a TWAT!
hughmicro 4 years ago
All is WORKING WELL for THESE CADS here NOT for all MALAYsians. poverty is everywhere especially in rural areas. GET OUT AND DO THE JOB YOU RE VOTED IN FOR- FEED & educate THE PEOPLE !
Shame!! GOD has eyes and will judge you. These people can't NOT real muslims
s0nnyside 4 years ago
Khairy Jamaluddin will come out from UMNO YOUTH one day.
He will contest for the UMNO top position, even the top post in the Government.
But he will face Najib Tun Razak's competition.
who will win?
Najib Tun Razak has no talent, but he dare to do anything to (KILL) his opponent. (Remember in 1987 he said his dagger wants to drink Chinese blood? He will do it his way, watch out Khairy.)
Khairy has talent, young and aggressive, he should win.
BUT, Khairy, watch out your back.
YesMrRight 4 years ago
Najib Tun Razak has no talent, but he dare to do anything to (KILL) his opponent. (Remember in 1987 he said his dagger wants to drink Chinese blood? He will do it his way, watch out Khairy.)
"KILL" here, doesn't mean physically killing KHAIRI, it means Najib will try his very best to knockout Khairi.
YesMrRight 4 years ago
go to ballot, vote for opposition parties, let BN won by 51%.
Once BN won the election by less than 2/3, human rights in Malaysia will see lights.
BN will start hearing the voices of people in Malaysia.
Yes let BN won the election, but won only 51%.
In order for this to happen, you have to vote for opposition parties.
go all way out to vote on March 08. But remember, vote for opposition parties.
BN will win this election, but let them won by 51% only.
YesMrRight 4 years ago
KJ is an ass. WTF...no need for institutional reform? Yeah right, the majority voted for them!! The system is rigged!! And here I am overseas and I'm not even allowed to cast my ballot by a postal vote! You call this Democracy?
persephone2014 4 years ago 3
fuck KJ
kuihmuih 4 years ago 10
very clever end to the discussion by the moderator...
people.. practice what u preach...
euronymous34 4 years ago
Talk so much like gangsters, FUCK THEM.
xxrrxx2002 4 years ago 2
If we cannot vote out these idiots, it is our fault
LogicThink08 4 years ago
If i got a dollar for every time Nazri contradicted himself, I'd be rich. Systems that are not receptive to change are closed systems, and while they may maintain control in the short run, they are doomed in the long run. Take for example, the recording industry (which is a type of system): their failure to adapt to the file sharing revolution cost them billions in losses. Systems have to evolve with changes in time. Nazri's ignorance of that fact reflects the mentality of our nation's leaders.
morbicious 4 years ago
Read the Malaysia Constitution for answer to " Malay "special rights or privileges", They are no where to be found ! Only "special position of Malays" (to safeguard backward Malay), appears in Article 153, which is "Reservation (quotas) of services, permits, etc, for Malays". The fault is our politicians twisting, misinterpreting and abusing Article 153 for their own gains and Article 153 will not be complete without reading Article 89 (equality for all races).
truelymalaysia 4 years ago
Dude... I think everybody is missing something here... who voted for these Retard to talk in front of the camera like this?? And who doesn't do anything to stop those retard from being voted?? Stop whinning and go to your nearest post office to register for election. And vote for the one that fits the position, not those that belanja roti canai or give ang pow.
mukushi 4 years ago 2
aku tgk gaya KJ dgn nazri ni mcm pakar je...tapi bile dgr poin/hujah depa, terkejut beruk aku...beruk tak terkejut macam aku...ada ke patut depa dua orang ni ckp camtuh...bahlul betol la. Mcmn la dua orang ni bleh jadi orang ternama UMNO ye? Puak2 umno ni tak kisah ke dgn kualiti dan imej diorang nih? memalukan betol la....adei.
sakhrah 4 years ago 2
aku sendiri pegi bersih punye demo.mule mule ok lepas polis datang bagi amaran baling air baru kecoh sebab kite semua nak cabut .bukan kite nak bantai fru.fru yg nak bantai kiteorang.lepastu macam lah khairy tak pernah buat demo .die yg terjerit jerit masa gondoliza rise tu datang.
safari1958 4 years ago
kudo to you my friend ......good one that khairy is a retard & hipokrit monkey ass same goes to that nazri useless
rapidfire64 3 years ago
Ya allah ,
Budak monyet umno dua ekor tu belagak tak tentu pasal.nak terjerit bila berckap.aku tengok dr malik tu cakap relekz je.memang kite dapat lihat bila pilihan raya mane ade dieoarng cakap pasal parti pembakang .yang media cakap tentang keburukan pembangkang. memang teruk umno.kite tidak seharusnye menghantar due orang monyet untuk membari comment bodoh mereka dekat al jazeera .orang umno tak pegi sekolah.
safari1958 4 years ago 2
nazri talks like a retard, he can hardly speak good english. fuck you both nazri and kairy, u both are fucking rasict muthafuckers. FUCK YOU!!
jihadforsatan 4 years ago 20
"How can they say the rally was for peaceful purposes when the participants were opposition leaders and unlawful organizations?"
The above statement is somewhat distorted from truth.The rally was planned as a peaceful rally,not for peaceful purposes.But the theme is for political purposes..so what? Its for a fairer ELECTION process. And the rally DID resulted an electorial reform..KUDOS!
Revelation107 4 years ago
God help Malaysia!
There's no need to reform the institution?!
Migosh!
siewkwan0108 4 years ago 2
After all not everyone has the tendency to hold uncivilised protest like the 3rd world scene like bersih....Pls. The majority's still being rational and sane.
mypulseandlife 4 years ago
Most of the NGOs who were organizing the rally were not even registered with R.O.S!
Wtf! How can they say the rally was for peaceful purposes when the participants were opposition leaders and unlawful organizations?
Damn, obviously it was a political attack to the people-elected gov't!
mypulseandlife 4 years ago
We all know if a public gathering involving more than 5 persons requires permit. To simplify things, the gov't didn't allow the rally for obvious reasons: The rally was strongly backed by the opposition...clearly it shows the rally was political motivated. It's not like the police didn't issued permits to opposition gathering before...duh! Only for this particular case tht the permit wasn't being issued coz it's a political attack ma!
mypulseandlife 4 years ago
C'mon guys...We all know Bersih Rally was illegal due to no permit. The gov't didn't issue the permit out of fear that the violent rally at Batu Buruk might happen again. When there was too much crowds (whom we all know hate the gov't) were out in public venues, how could the police control each of them. How could the police ensure that no one was carrying weapons? How could we ensure tht some irresponsible individuals might take advantage from the rally?
mypulseandlife 4 years ago
Dear mypulseandlife,
As you quoted,
"The gov't didn't issue the permit out of fear that the violent rally at Batu Buruk might happen again."
The difference of opinion doesn't constitute the legality of any rally. Most importantly, Government shall not be the deciding party; it's called "police state.
Regards,
plsbefair 4 years ago
Obviously it's not a fair play. BN gave away millions of ringgit fot those malays to support them.
bytez 4 years ago 2
wow i think he will make it based on the recent racist remarks he had made in the parliament debate and the heroin attitude for certain group of people over the press would certainly add a lot of extra points for him i guess but what to do??????
travellerdreams 4 years ago
Wow amazing views by legally trained lawyer Min. Entertaining & Misleading democracy accord 2 him is about minority follows blindly 2 majority view, what an absurd statement from him, 4 his knowledge, broaden meaning 4 democracy also include freedom 4 expression & freedom 2 hv peaceful assembly as a mean 2 voice out one's opinions; thoughts/ideas, about respecting a human basic rights as guanrantee under constitution..Now i begins 2 wonder...Is he qualify 2 sit in the cabinet; Wow
travellerdreams 4 years ago
next election Mr.N wanted to contest for BN V.P seat. :(((((
lovemalaysia1 4 years ago
bulshit KJ n Nadzri, the truth being hide actually the ppl who elected you should be dissapointed, listen and learn from Malik.
pls refer to Oxford disctionary and find the real meaning for : democracy, freedom, sincere, honest, and pls improve your english b4 attending any international forum esp. for the live one. amat memalukan.. the way you smile when KJ safed you..
vikraha 4 years ago 3
Mr.Malik Imtiaz Sarwar speaks shape and much better then my MP's.
thank you malik. tho they lock your voice, we proud of you. we want people like you for human right commision.
lovemalaysia1 4 years ago 3
The fear to lose his seat has cause Badawi to act worse than Mahathir on this issue. He has lost his ball when he saw the nation stand up so he has to use marshal law if he felt threaten on losing his seat.
halfPASSsiX 4 years ago 3
khairy nearly had me fooled there bt good defence though, show that ur civilized not like that pig nazri. its not true, we cant be heard, we are not heard and they are not doing enough. want a good example?how bad is ur streamyx connections? has anything been done about it?
Skul1z 4 years ago 2
thanks aljazeera
malaysia channel very jackass
khairy,nazry jackass tooo............
strive for islam
farisanmech 4 years ago 3
Nazri...is really fucking rude.....this guy should be exiled
dekpun 4 years ago
If the democratic process does not provide sufficient representation, then there is a need for civil society to uphold their freedom of assembly. But for one thing, I'm proud that KJ actually have the brains and the sneakiness to answer these questions with sophistication. But Nazri needs to look in a mirror before he accuses someone of calling anyone stupid, lest he appear stupid himself. Definetely needs a lesson in argumentation from KJ.
justdrewwit 4 years ago
please, the people voting for them is not stupid because of themselves but their idiocy and their intellectual laziness that they have, would have been provided by the 'power-craze blokes'.
it would be harsh to call them stupid because of voting, it was pointed out by imtiaz clearly that people were uninformed and blinded. seeing this in a different view, imtiaz sure have my respect. he dont really stand for the opposition, he's looking from a sane view.
no wonder KJ and nazri look like apes.
snarkynoa 4 years ago 3
- system is deteriorating .. and due largely to wrong ppl in the govt .. not brave enough to call a spade a spade and some cannot recognised system flaws and the need and urgency 4 change etc
hright 4 years ago
good show
hright 4 years ago
nazri, you are a disgrace, shut up and let khairy repersent the PM. At least hes more "eloquent" in bullshitting international media.
chichibucity 4 years ago
Thanks to al Jazeera for bringing news of our Gov't craziness to the world.....
I hope Al Jazeera and other international news channel will provide more pro-opposition news during the next general election as our biased local tv channels suck!!!
elja3ja3 4 years ago
Tangkap Khairy!
Khairy must be stop!Kill his political career
together with Father in law( useless, incompetent and lazy)
ahzhilin 4 years ago
cik ezaneismail, u ni putri umno eh?? patut laaa nampak cam x paham aper satu benda pastu nak tunjuk mcm pandai.. tapi xheran laa.. sbb IPT di malaysia ni mmg x sampai standard international pun.. tapi kalo cik ni SPM jer, then xyah laaa buang masa kat youtube ni.. lebih baik gi amik course menjahit ker.. leh gak tambah duit poket.. ;)
pettground 4 years ago
u ckp pasal apa u sendiri pun x lulus PMR. Lebih baik u diam saja. x ada kerja lainkah, asik nak cakap hal orang saja.U cakap pasal IPT sebab u sendiri x pernah belajar hingga ke IPT. Mungkin u pernah belajar di IPT orang gila kot.
jumrah 4 years ago
cik jumrah, camni ker cara nak backing kawan putri umno u tu?? iskh.. pity lil' jumrah.. cuba laa jawab something dengan 'point' sket.. bukan main blasah jer.. kalo i x lulus pmr pun takpe sbb at least i ader degree dari sussex. so.. jangan banyak sngt dengar dangdut tu k.. ;)
pettground 4 years ago
ala name je sussex, tapi takat bace buku skolah je, general knowledge sampah tak gune gak...ade 3 -4 la uni maysia yang masuk top 500 uni in the world...read more okay?...jgn blaja buku skolahrajin2 sgt, last2 ko bukan pakai ferarri pun...baik start dgr dangdut...bende2 general knowledge ko tak tau, atleast leh aa menyanyi ke ape..kalau sore ko sedap aa..k?
A3X 4 years ago
rubbish n pointless!!!!why a yellow waves of thousand people can`t be a barometer???it was a strong spirit that shown our people need a fair and clean election..
comsjammer 4 years ago
tunggu orang tak sokong kau.Baru kau tahu?
norazamzabania 4 years ago
TQ nazri... coz you show to the world that u r KING OF STUPID which is elected by the stupid voter
bcrich73 4 years ago
cakap melayu je la dude, english ko betabo la, nampak benau ko lagi bodoh, post dalam kerajaan takde, english pun cam tak berape nak elok....cakap bahase ibunda ok next time...nak2 kalau nak cakap org lain bodo ke king of stupid ke ape...k?
A3X 4 years ago
lol nazri did not have a SINGLE clue on what's goin on, hence his brainless comments
Dawgmatic84 4 years ago
Lol...i second that notion~ Nazri would've been toast if he didn't have khairy to save him. Khairy reminds me of a young hitler..
morbicious 4 years ago 4
Nazri! In million year you won't be able to gather 1 million people, as usual you speak like a street gangster. May God Damn You!
iamnotApolitician 4 years ago
TQ al jazeera....
nazri & KJ looked so stupid and arrogant... mereka ingat yang mereka bercakap dengan orang yang setaraf dengan mereka... depa tak sedar yang para penonton jauh lebih matang dan pintar dari mereka....
malaysia... i pray for you, my homeland!!!
mc4102 4 years ago
they got 50 years to make this country better, im taking my chance on 5 years on any other party!
kelvynyeang 4 years ago
I see no essence in our dear minister. Defiant and ignorant. Embarassing~~. They can only mention that the parade involved the so-called "minority". Disappointing~~ No logical thinking at all.
ryanmononoke 4 years ago
oh my, KJ and Nazri are being pointless here, sweet talking but rubbish! All hail to Malik Imtiaz!!
phoen78 4 years ago
Imtiaz said the media in our ocuntry is controlled. err.. doesn't harakah operates on its own? or the other BA's papers??? Imtiaz cakap pe nih?
ezaneismail 4 years ago
What he meant was the mainstream papers like NST and BH should report independently without needing a federal editor breathing down their necks. They have the largest reader base in the country, if BN controls them, BN controls the mind of the nation. My dad once criticized a minister in the opinion section of NST once and they blocked his comment. Call that democratic? I totally agree with Imtiaz.
morbicious 4 years ago 5
oh my god Nazri has NOTHING up there. he is BRAINLESS. empty vessel makes the most noise!
adlyadnan 4 years ago
aljazeera membantu pas dalam kempen pilihan raya =) Aljazeera cuba tunjukkan dunia pak menteri botak ni mmg bodoh dan menatunya yg maha jilat bontot bapaknya. KJ tu rakyat mcm kita jgk,blah la KJ. eeeeiiii..takoot lah kena ISA cakap lebih2 nih..
ape2 pun terima kasih Al-jazeera!!!!
camdek nampak?
amerzain 4 years ago
Mr Malik ur spot on..
fleestylerr88 4 years ago
fleestylerr88 - I fully agree with you. Think we will have to wait for the results of the next elections. Very doubtful if BN can obtain a 2/3 majority - too many worms dug up lately to show what BN really is. Just deny BN the 2/3 and our lives will be better
snrctizen 4 years ago
hahah...ignorent ppl.. it was NOT a failure it was a SUCCESS.. it was not a perhimpunan BT a march to hand a memorandum to the King.. and it happened..
fleestylerr88 4 years ago
omg nazri its a shame for a gov rep to talk in such a bad english !!!
strumazon 4 years ago
umno culture n version of difference between force n unforce:
peaceful rally=force
use of water cannon laced with chemical+tear gas=unforce
opposition/reporter taking picture on their sore spot=force
umno bastards assaulting n brutality act on reporters=unforce!
malaysian voters,is this barbaric n brutal philosophy acceptable to u??wake up,malaysian must come to ur senses now!!
kosmoa 4 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The Yang Dipertuan Agung never gave his blessing on this Perhimpunan.
Please refer to the Istana Negara Press Release.
So u all, it was a failure..to submit your demand for more power in the election.
Pity you all...turn to your hopeless leader now..
nessilya 4 years ago
Nobody says that The Agong supports for the Bersih rally. Even PAS never mention about the blessing stuff. What they are saying, The Agong ready to receive the BERSIH Memorandum... that's all.
nessilya, please could you read/get more information and do not rely on the mainstream media which has been controlled by the gov. Baca news kat malaysia-today or harakahdaily, bagi otak balance skit.
what8ver 4 years ago 2
can I suggest we compile all of youtube videos related on this issues & put them all in a cd & distribute them to all Malaysians. Pity those who have no internet connection & those who rely on RTM & MEdia Prima & local newspaper only.
mzyade 4 years ago
Just for your INFO..( Dont feel Guilty)
Yang Dipertuan Agung tidak pernah merestui perhimpunan dan tindakan bodoh ini.Rujuk salinan press release Istana Negara..
I bet Harakah website, Adil, DAP, and Malaysia Kini could not show the copy to you all as they did with other document.Very hard to accept reality maybe..
Its ok..you can always get the truth from Utusan, Berita, Metro, Sinar and a press release from Istana Negara.
Thank you.
nessilya 4 years ago
So what the hell. Buat apa nak restu Yg Dipertuan Dugong tu.
kiboard 4 years ago
Democracy does not mean just listening to the people.You have to act on it..you stupid Nazri
wizzerd75 4 years ago
umno and bn only for stupid people
mrhawke 4 years ago
I agree with Nazri, those who voted for BN are stupid.
kiboard 4 years ago
Khairy, your "powderful" English doesn't get you off the hook for trying to circumvent many of the questions. Nazri, your "lagi powderful engrish" leaves me in awe. No need for a change? No problems with the system? You have got to be living in a hole a mile below ground to think that way.
Wasn't it obvious how the ones who were more agitated were the gahmen people?
Jokers. Those two were such jokers.
carolyong 4 years ago 4
Another counterpoint. UMNO/BN may be able to muster one million to march, but there's a *huge* difference in that their "supporters" would not have to face the stigma of an "illegal" assembly, police blockades, and would find open "support" from the mainstream media. It took amazing courage for the thousands who marched that Saturday in spite of all the warnings from the authorities, right up to the very head of government.
eggizgud 4 years ago 2
The minister must have a very short memory. Of course there is a need for institutional reform. Our most sacred institution,the judiciary system.
Proforth 4 years ago 2
nazri...khairy's new asslicking medium
izzarshah 4 years ago
Khairy, pls, you are still very young, you are supposed to observe and learn from the more experienced in order to become wiser. Pls stop making bold but irresponsible remarks and show your mediocrity. Transparent boxes, making sure voters don't vote twice...these are all basic necessities of election. Any donkeys would have thought of that. And you actually take pride in doing what donkeys would do??!! Come on...give yourself a break!
bigdailou 4 years ago 7
Khairy is being groomed for bigger posts in future.. of course he's busy covering the asses of his bosses.. He sold his soul out to UNMO for future power. I've met Nazri in London. The way he addresses issues to the younger Malay students is totally different than to Kampung folks. He tugs at their hearts that the gov(UMNO without shoutin out his political party) that they need time to change and that young malays should help the country change..
jininn 4 years ago
implying that to help better the country they should join UMNO incidiously of course... and once in, he seduces these young flegdings with power and corruption, trapping these young malays forever, cos once you've been corrupt, they can blackmail you forever. I trust this is how they do their dirty conversions of these otherwise bright politcally awared and just young Malays.. our hopes and futures.. tainted..
jininn 4 years ago
As a leader and representative of the people, you should listen to people's opinion and at least do some study on their opinion. Not every time you can just say yes or no based on your own idea. You are elected to serve malaysians, you are not elected to become the boss of malaysians! So you should definitely listen to malaysians' voices!
bigdailou 4 years ago 3
Nazri:"What you demand is not necessary right." Is building a bungalow on gov't land without permit but still remained a free man after being discovered right/wrong? You people don't know anything about right and wrong. So stop treating everyone else as if they are idiots and stop acting as if you are smart enough to run the show! You people have contributed absolutely nothing to the country since you took over. I condemn you for tearing apart a once beautiful country/society of Malaysia.
bigdailou 4 years ago 3
no need for institutional reform? why not try continuous improvement or else you'll be like the dinasours
strenati 4 years ago 2
Hei Khairy, Nazri.. only one word can describe both of u.. BULLSHIT!!!
kucingcome 4 years ago 2
what jokers....
niashing 4 years ago 2
Khairi is a good stupidity graduated oxford university student...
Nazri is a good speechless minister...
Imtiaz...i dont know...mybe just a guest...
The truth is...they still wanna backup the corruption of their systems even they actually just money-eye minister...VERY STUPID!!!
sakhrah 4 years ago 2
The perception that they are stupid is a matter of fact,ironic. I wouldn't judge them as stupid, just cunning... As their daily bread and glutton-ability depends on it,they had to give their best shot and try to convince people by reinforcement of empty talks (or reiteration).
Revelation107 4 years ago
Al-Jazeera: Is it ur view there is no need at all for institutional reform in m'sia?
that there is no...there are no question to be asked about the cleanliness of ur electoral process, there are no coruption issues to be addressed, that the institutional reform that has been asked for
by both the oppositions and various civil society groups...?
Nazri: Yes,..i don't think there's any need for the institutional reform because the system has errr....work well for the last 50 years...
dethonez 4 years ago 3
How do we know it has worked well. What about the phantom voters.
kiboard 4 years ago
To conclude that our democracy system need no changes would not have triggered rally such as the one happened recently. UMNO is led by shallows who expect their audience is as shallow as them. Shame to the son-in-law who graduated from Oxford.
alexchow81 4 years ago 5
nazri said: we're elected by the people!!!!
kepala hotak ko...hantu yg select kau, bukan people....bodoh tak sedar lagi...
dethonez 4 years ago 5
nazri stupid?yes i agree..but not me..hehe
NAZRI1986 4 years ago
aiseh..pasai pa org BERSIH xdak nih..
cmne nk tau sape betoi sapa salah..
tpi kalo betoi2 nk buat forum ajak la Pak Lah& Najib VS Husam Musa&Abdul Hadi..
baru masyuk..
forts0508 4 years ago 2
cheguonezuka 4 years ago
The system works well for the umnoputras & bangsa Barisan Nasional not the general Malaysian and not majority of the Malays.
Bravo to Imtiaz for a solid argument.
The problem is do we see such forum to be seen by Malaysians? Will these reach the common people of Malaysia?
tyko2686 4 years ago 3
Let's see...how many people in Malaysia actually have computer access...and how many of em have internet access. How many people in Malaysia can watch aljazeera or watch aljazeera on tv. How many Malaysians do actually understand English properly...Hmm. Lastly how many Malaysians care to watch this...because Pak Lah and the gang have already told them about this issue.
kiboard 4 years ago
Imtiaz last comment was a good wrap, but was cut off to allow Nazri to conclude that BERSIH had failed. Good forum. But nothing new, we already expected that Nazri and Khairy would have said. BTW, Khairy had a glitch in speeches. He's always thinking that he's "precise". If he's so "PRECISE", bring out data and facts. He talks quite empty, but keep saying "PRECISELY". Doesn't sounds like a university graduate to me.
cklife2 4 years ago