You don't have to preserve the anvil of the void to support Bhelen, do you? Because I was planning on destroying it even though I'm planning to side with him.
about bhelen being in the path of evil, i disagree, sure he tries to get support through evil ways but his goal is the bettering of Orzammar and the destruction of the Caste system. the only time i havnt sided with him was when i played as a dwarf noble. and the first time played when i forgot who i was supporting
In my personal opinion Harrowmont is the obvious evil choice, and an evil character would also think so. Unless you're playing a Dwarf Noble, your character wouldn't know anything about Bhelen's actions, only rumors, and there are just as many floating around about Harrowmont. All they KNOW is that the dwarves have a crappy society full of casteless and civil war. A TRULY evil person would support keeping them stuck in that garbage with a weak conservative leader who's about to die anyway.
side with the templars in the broken circle = lose wynne as a companion
side with the werewolves in nature of the beast, you got yourself a werewolf army in the final battle climax.
side with bhelen in paragon of her kind, you get yourself a nice golem army in the climax but if you have the dlc you will lose your bestest, hardest, toughest tank. why does bioware force us to make these decisions :( lol
@Lowdian Not necessarily. Bhelen himself has done a lot of bad things to get where he is, but he intends to help the dwarven people, and does so very well. Harrowmont, while an honorable and good person, fails miserably at leading his people and drives them into an even worse condition. It's up to you to decide which one of those choices is "evil", and as I said in my other comment, I believe that Harrowmont is the real evil choice.
@TrippNessa Exactly, on the long run, Bhelen is probably the best option for Orzammar... I wouldn't go as far as calling siding with Harrowmont to be the "evil" choise, just a choise.
But playing as a dwarf commoner, I felt I had little option but to side with Bhelen, given the condition... All of this in a roleplaying point of view, of course.
@Lowdian Oh definitely roleplaying is the most important factor in any decision. It just bothered me that the video poster indicated that choosing Bhelen was the "bad ending" choice, which from what I saw, was absolutely not the bad ending. Especially from an outsider mage's perspective, who has no roleplaying reason to choose either.
on my first playthrough i didn't know Prince Bhelen was a power hungry dwarf, so i helped him thinking 'he is the son of the last king he deserves the throne' and i was completely wrong, it took talking to a dwarf on my second pllaythrough to figure it out... *sighs*
Bhelen actually turns out to be a better King than Harrowmont. I always side with Bhelen because he ends up loosening caste restrictions and actually is able to make a better future for Orzammar.
However, Harrowmont's isolationist policy makes the entire Dwarven kingdom end up sucking. So it's clear who's the better choice.
@izjerker Yes, but you cannot deny that in the long run, Harrowmont's isolationist policy harms the dwarves, whilist Bhelens policy ends up reclaiming lost thaigs and such. In the long run, I usually don't think about moral choices, but what will be better for Orzammar in the years to come.
@AlexMusialFilms Yeah but he hunts down the Harrowmont family to near extinction because you bump into the last of the Harrowmonts in Kirkwall in DA 2 who was fleeing from Bhelen
@TheMysteriousDumbaz1 i have but i reall think both are nutrel bhelens a prick but makes better choices for his people in the long run and the whole caste saystem weakens but harrowmont is a nice guy but only sucseds in making orzamar further isolated from the surface
Indeed, in the epilogue it gives the impression that siding with Branka and choosing Harrowmont has the most negative impact on the story. I must say though, my favourite evil path the take is definately going for the Slayer achievement. Makes me laugh every time.
Harrowmont is the 'good' choice because Bhelen killed his own family to achieve power and the king supported Harrowmont for that reason. But it also spells doom for the dwarves, as Harrowmont is a conservative loser who can't achieve anything.
@XoRandomGuyoX Unless you are a Dwarf character and survive through Morrigan's ritual. In that sense, returning to Orzammar, you are named a Paragon. If you supported Harrowmont, he restores you to House Aeducan if you were a noble, though he does not name you his successor. However, a paragon has just as much power if not moreso than the king, and can influence the society of the dwarves greatly.
Huh... never did a Dwarf Noble. I did a Human Noble and am working on a Mage at the moment. Considering I bought the game over Thanksgiving, I'm no where near beating it with every origin. XD
I was thinking of trying a dual-wielding City Elf female Rogue next. But that is at least 70 hours away. I still have to slog through Awakening and Witch Hunt too, having done Leliana's Song and Darkspawn Chronicles. Oh, and Golems of Amgarrak: made the mistake of using a fresh character...
@JunJunKit Yes they do.I used them once there are only 4 of them,they often get stuck somewhere and generally often don't help BUT if they get their metal asses to the enemies the really rock.
You call siding with Bhelen EVIL? I mean, sure, he's not the most pleasant character in the game and may or may not have killed his brother but damn, he has a castless wife and definitely the best intentions. Seriously. Just 'cause he's not popular with the nobles doesn't mean, he's the 'evil' choice here. Especially regarding the outcome of his time on the throne...
@Vohalika Yea I think that too. I thought harrowment was the evil path cause he doesn't want trading witht he surfaces, he prefer the casteles to suffer and wants to preserve old traditions, Unlike bhelen who does want trader to comunicate witht he outsiders, casteless get job and lives well... damn why not Bhelen.
you evil evil little thing. to think about it u choose the easy path (evil) and evil paths r so easy to do in this game like beating cardini is much easier then beating branka.
@sna360 posted long ago... but i'll answer, templars uphold against abominations, but killing all the mages could be considered bad... since your KILLING them but you prevent corruption in the mages, at least by templar standards... siding with mages is more saintly i think
You don't have to preserve the anvil of the void to support Bhelen, do you? Because I was planning on destroying it even though I'm planning to side with him.
LittleBlackDragon 1 month ago
bhelen is good, harrowsmith is evil. the chantry supports templars and the king. if you think loghain is a good guy then vote for harrowsmith.,
tulpoy 2 months ago
lol oops didnt read AlexMusicalFilms comment.
MrCannibal1993 6 months ago
about bhelen being in the path of evil, i disagree, sure he tries to get support through evil ways but his goal is the bettering of Orzammar and the destruction of the Caste system. the only time i havnt sided with him was when i played as a dwarf noble. and the first time played when i forgot who i was supporting
MrCannibal1993 6 months ago
In my personal opinion Harrowmont is the obvious evil choice, and an evil character would also think so. Unless you're playing a Dwarf Noble, your character wouldn't know anything about Bhelen's actions, only rumors, and there are just as many floating around about Harrowmont. All they KNOW is that the dwarves have a crappy society full of casteless and civil war. A TRULY evil person would support keeping them stuck in that garbage with a weak conservative leader who's about to die anyway.
TrippNessa 7 months ago
side with the templars in the broken circle = lose wynne as a companion
side with the werewolves in nature of the beast, you got yourself a werewolf army in the final battle climax.
side with bhelen in paragon of her kind, you get yourself a nice golem army in the climax but if you have the dlc you will lose your bestest, hardest, toughest tank. why does bioware force us to make these decisions :( lol
wiskeylab 8 months ago
@wiskeylab You don't necessarily lose wyne when u side with the templars. And only if u side with Branka do u get the golem army.
Ignorantfluff28 2 months ago
So siding with Bhelen is supposed to be evil? Shit, the man was my future brother in law, how could I not side with him?
Lowdian 9 months ago
@Lowdian Not necessarily. Bhelen himself has done a lot of bad things to get where he is, but he intends to help the dwarven people, and does so very well. Harrowmont, while an honorable and good person, fails miserably at leading his people and drives them into an even worse condition. It's up to you to decide which one of those choices is "evil", and as I said in my other comment, I believe that Harrowmont is the real evil choice.
TrippNessa 7 months ago
@TrippNessa Exactly, on the long run, Bhelen is probably the best option for Orzammar... I wouldn't go as far as calling siding with Harrowmont to be the "evil" choise, just a choise.
But playing as a dwarf commoner, I felt I had little option but to side with Bhelen, given the condition... All of this in a roleplaying point of view, of course.
Lowdian 7 months ago
@Lowdian Oh definitely roleplaying is the most important factor in any decision. It just bothered me that the video poster indicated that choosing Bhelen was the "bad ending" choice, which from what I saw, was absolutely not the bad ending. Especially from an outsider mage's perspective, who has no roleplaying reason to choose either.
TrippNessa 7 months ago
on my first playthrough i didn't know Prince Bhelen was a power hungry dwarf, so i helped him thinking 'he is the son of the last king he deserves the throne' and i was completely wrong, it took talking to a dwarf on my second pllaythrough to figure it out... *sighs*
Leathebluedrgon 10 months ago
how did you get the tevinter robes so early?
dryadmaster 10 months ago
bah...I'm too much of a goody-toe-shoes to do any of this lol xD (even if I tried to make an evil character)
khaza1wolfgurl 10 months ago
What happens if a Dwarf sides with Bhelen, preserves the anvil, upgrades the dwarves completely, and then asks for human aid against the darkspawn.
AlexMusialFilms 11 months ago
Bhelen actually turns out to be a better King than Harrowmont. I always side with Bhelen because he ends up loosening caste restrictions and actually is able to make a better future for Orzammar.
However, Harrowmont's isolationist policy makes the entire Dwarven kingdom end up sucking. So it's clear who's the better choice.
AlexMusialFilms 11 months ago
@AlexMusialFilms but Bhelen killed his own older brother, just to claim the throne, and harrowmont seek justice.
izjerker 11 months ago
@izjerker Yes, but you cannot deny that in the long run, Harrowmont's isolationist policy harms the dwarves, whilist Bhelens policy ends up reclaiming lost thaigs and such. In the long run, I usually don't think about moral choices, but what will be better for Orzammar in the years to come.
AlexMusialFilms 11 months ago 7
@AlexMusialFilms Yeah but he hunts down the Harrowmont family to near extinction because you bump into the last of the Harrowmonts in Kirkwall in DA 2 who was fleeing from Bhelen
micah9639 10 months ago
lmao my nest playthrough im gonna help bhelen but at the end im gonna choose harrowmont, LOLZ
TheMysteriousDumbaz1 11 months ago
cool but i dont think there is a good/bad choice for the king of orzamar
gameguy20100 1 year ago
@gameguy20100 well, its evil if u choose bhelen... just play dwarf noble origin story :)
TheMysteriousDumbaz1 11 months ago
@TheMysteriousDumbaz1 i have but i reall think both are nutrel bhelens a prick but makes better choices for his people in the long run and the whole caste saystem weakens but harrowmont is a nice guy but only sucseds in making orzamar further isolated from the surface
gameguy20100 11 months ago
Indeed, in the epilogue it gives the impression that siding with Branka and choosing Harrowmont has the most negative impact on the story. I must say though, my favourite evil path the take is definately going for the Slayer achievement. Makes me laugh every time.
Nuxinor 1 year ago
Harrowmont is the 'good' choice because Bhelen killed his own family to achieve power and the king supported Harrowmont for that reason. But it also spells doom for the dwarves, as Harrowmont is a conservative loser who can't achieve anything.
XoRandomGuyoX 1 year ago
@XoRandomGuyoX Unless you are a Dwarf character and survive through Morrigan's ritual. In that sense, returning to Orzammar, you are named a Paragon. If you supported Harrowmont, he restores you to House Aeducan if you were a noble, though he does not name you his successor. However, a paragon has just as much power if not moreso than the king, and can influence the society of the dwarves greatly.
BlazeIgnitus 1 year ago
@BlazeIgnitus
Huh... never did a Dwarf Noble. I did a Human Noble and am working on a Mage at the moment. Considering I bought the game over Thanksgiving, I'm no where near beating it with every origin. XD
I was thinking of trying a dual-wielding City Elf female Rogue next. But that is at least 70 hours away. I still have to slog through Awakening and Witch Hunt too, having done Leliana's Song and Darkspawn Chronicles. Oh, and Golems of Amgarrak: made the mistake of using a fresh character...
XoRandomGuyoX 1 year ago
Do golems actually fight for you in the final battle then?
JunJunKit 1 year ago
@JunJunKit Yes they do.I used them once there are only 4 of them,they often get stuck somewhere and generally often don't help BUT if they get their metal asses to the enemies the really rock.
Gagazzzzsezjfgf 1 year ago
your main is a healing mage?...how boring...
mdogmilhouse91 1 year ago
You call siding with Bhelen EVIL? I mean, sure, he's not the most pleasant character in the game and may or may not have killed his brother but damn, he has a castless wife and definitely the best intentions. Seriously. Just 'cause he's not popular with the nobles doesn't mean, he's the 'evil' choice here. Especially regarding the outcome of his time on the throne...
Vohalika 1 year ago
@Vohalika Yea I think that too. I thought harrowment was the evil path cause he doesn't want trading witht he surfaces, he prefer the casteles to suffer and wants to preserve old traditions, Unlike bhelen who does want trader to comunicate witht he outsiders, casteless get job and lives well... damn why not Bhelen.
Dyrssen 1 year ago
@Vohalika He killed both his brothers (if not dwarf noble) and Harrowmont as well.
thomaslarssomn 1 year ago
Is it hard to figure what's an evil choice?
kitzlaihel 1 year ago
you evil evil little thing. to think about it u choose the easy path (evil) and evil paths r so easy to do in this game like beating cardini is much easier then beating branka.
mahms012 1 year ago
@mahms012 Although branka drops the best mace in the game. Although maces are the worst weapon in the game so take that for what it's worth.
madax132 1 year ago
Is sideing with the templers good or bad ?
sna360 1 year ago
@sna360 Templars are holy.... -_-
xxxKi1lerxxx 1 year ago
@sna360 bad most templars are dicks
gameguy20100 10 months ago
@sna360 posted long ago... but i'll answer, templars uphold against abominations, but killing all the mages could be considered bad... since your KILLING them but you prevent corruption in the mages, at least by templar standards... siding with mages is more saintly i think
obliviochamp5986 9 months ago
wtf, how do you get an enchanted mace from behlen!? I always trian's maul and it's a piece o'crap.
AlecTrudel 1 year ago
Is it possible to kill innocents in this game?
Subtalvik2 1 year ago
@Subtalvik2 yes side with the templars in broken circle
gameguy20100 10 months ago
What does the Paragon Golem drop?
Oldredtank 1 year ago
@Oldredtank A minor magical item, Caridin's Cage.
Carsomyr80 1 year ago
@Oldredtank that's what you said :p
tasken5 6 months ago
wtf how is morrigan burning?
rukkeli1 2 years ago
@rukkeli1 shes tooo hot lol
Phantomblade3000 1 year ago 9
@Phantomblade3000 she sure looks wicked like that
AndrosForever 1 year ago