Thing is tho at this time Britains main army was fightin in Spain against napoleon and Lord Horatio Nelson was dead. If there was no napoleon. Arthur Wellesley would have been sent to america to lead an army and we would have probably won. If nelson was still alive our fleet would have annihilated ur navy. Im not trying to rub it in. Im just stating the facts.
facts? you just stated a shit load of speculations. Wellington's brother in law was killed at New Orleans...the Royal Navy lost 3 frigates in 4 months...such a loss rate never happened in 14 yrs of previous naval warfare with France.
At Plattsburg, the British force outnumbered the Americans 5 to 1 and never crossed the lake in the intented invasion since a few USN sloops controlled it.
the US armies went back south to defend their country from the British...the canadians cant claim shit...We burned Toronot and we back south when their big brother sailed across the atlantic to save them
@EMPIRE01233 Wrong the US held the land till the british cried for Peace we won more battles. The British held shit and the Royal navy got it's ass handed to it.
@WolveZGuY All Canadian efforts in the war were as British. The regiments stationed here recruited heavily from the local population. Even Native efforts were seen as British. The Royal Newfoundland Regiment served in just about every battle of the war even the unsuccessful ones. They were a new world British Regiment & a Canadian regiment today.
our objectives were to.. end impressment get free trade end arms supply to the indians end the buffer zone that prevented western expansion... GET THE BRITS out of our ass.... we accomplished our objectives.. :P basically canada was a way to get their attention if we could free canada so be it.. but it was never an objective to take it or free it.. :P
The 1812 war was act of agression on the usa apart has for the so called axe to grind with the british is that we were stoping there shipping so can some one explain why the usa did not declare war on the French who were also doing the same.
The war it self to came down to a unpoplar president. He only became poplar after the battle of new orleans and declair it a victory while the usa was on it's knees.
If the british had there eyes on the usa why did they even bother giving back what we took.
The French agreed to stop. How well they lived up to their end is up for debate, and was probably less than we would have liked, but they at least paid lip service, not to mention doubled our territory on the cheap.
@oldnick1955 Agression from the USA??? you have to understand the war before you even claim
THE WAR was never about taking Canada... Canada was merely a PAWN so we could get what we wanted (which were the stated objectives by the Leaders..) End impressment.. free trade with anyone...stop the British blockades of our shores...stop the arms supply of indians.... end the buffer zone in the western territories that the British deeply wanted and had been supplying for decades
@mrpianodude91 impressment stopped because the need for sailors in the royal navy was far lower because the Napoleonic war had ended had nothing to do with force from America, all american war goals would have happend regardless of the war becuse briten didetn need to do things like impressment when napolion was gone
@mrpianodude91 You are right about British agression the fact is they controlled a good chunk of the world and held power over you even the civil war was partly pressed by both Britain and France. mSaying that though you still got bet the white house buring down is probably a good sign of that.
What about the USS Cheapeake vs HMS Shannon!!!!!! 15 minutes of pure US Navy arse kicking!!! We got the timbers of the Cheapeake in a mill near us. A must see for all US maritime experts!!!! (NOT!)
Early in the war Thomas Jefferson said that the capture of canada was "a mere matter of marching" then british regulars and canadian miltia later burned down his house
I love that story. Not that I have anything against the Americans today, but in the war of 1812, I think it was unjust to drag the colonies of British North America into a war that was basically a grudge between England and the states. I mean, what did the poor habitants do to deserve that?
the USA to cross the ocean and fight the British??? lolololol
besides Americans believed Canadiens wanted the same thing
.. not to be kiss ass LOL XD
but they were wrong
BUT we did keep parts of Canada after the war :P
we achieved all of our objectives (which the capture of canada was NEVER a stated objective.... thats a ton of BS that most historians dont even agree with because there is no proof ha)
@mrpianodude91 "Manifest destany" was no secret. It was always an intent to absorb Canada even before the War of Independance Benjemen Franklen had outlined a plan of English Prodastant domination of the contant.
Which is Why the Quebec Act was one of the Intolerable acts that lead to the revolution.
@mrpianodude91 all the American objective in the war were not achieved because of the war they simply expired impressment didn't end becuse of the war of 1812 it ended becuse Britain didn't need sailors any more because Napoleon was defeated, also the stoping of american ships from trading with france was ended around the time the war started it just took so long for the message to cross the ocean the war had already begun all the objectives in the war would have happend regardless
as a native new zealander, ive recently become facinated by this war. and as an unbiased view, the only logical answer would be that Canada won, USA lost and britain got nothing out of it.
At the time of the war there was no Canada. So there was no way Canada won anything cause it didn't exist as a nation at the particular time. The Canadian territory belonged to England at the time.
You're right. Canada wasn't considered a country until 1867.
However, as a Canadian, I know that Canadians fought in the war of 1812 to defend their homes and rights, the same way that Americans fought during the American Revolution.
No body says that George Washington wasn't American just because he was born in a british colony. If he was willing to fight for his home, that gives him a right to it. The same is true of Canada.
people of british of provinces of canada fought in the war of 1812 to defend there land because they are loyal to the british. because canada is provinces of britain that it people loyal to the british. during american revolution many migrated to canada because they loyal to british. canadian been kiss british ass for 200 year until 1867 and continue ass kiss to1982.
dont get me wrong im not hating on americans, i like u mostly, but what im hearing i just cant believe. all great nations lose wars every now and then in their history, its ok. your not doing too bad apart form 1812, the bay of pigs in cuba, and vietnam. but if u try to lie about history it can have dire results. p.s. im being serious i do like a great deal about america and its people. peace.
Okay...one we didn't lose the war of 1812, the bay of pig was a huge blunder, but i don't think that could be considered a war (we didn't even use American troops to pull of that mission), and Vietnam was not a war but a merge confrontation with barbaric communist who wised to push their socialist ideas on people that didn't want it. The reason Vietnam was stopped was because it lost popular support. The people saw the true face of war and it scared them.
and the british-canadian force achieved there goal by repelling this aggressive american imperialism. just because we didnt take american land either does not mean it was inconclusive. that wasnt our goal, just to protect canada from would be american imperialism. how ridiculous would it sound if britain tried to make out the 1776 war was a draw bcause although we didnt conquer america like wise the americans didnt conquer britain? it would be ridiculous as that wasnt your goal:
What are you talking about? In the war of 1776 we won our independence and gained (emphasis on gain because for some reason you haven't gotten it in your head that the objective of war is to gain something. if both parties of war do not gain anything new by the end of the war it is considered a stalemate) land that belonged to Britain. so their is no way that that precise war can be considered a draw in any manner.
ok clearly you didnt read my comment properly, i was illustrating that clearly the colonists won the war of independence, i was making a comparison of how it would just be as ridiculous to claim the same thats all. and you are wrong it is not the objective of a war to gain something. the victor of a war is decided by whoever controls the disputed territory at the end of the day, in this case canada.
what is wrong with you americans? you declared war on britain and attempted to annex canada. u were soundly beaten all the way back to washington (which we burned) and then u sued for peace. i dont believe what im hearing "americas second war for liberation?". U TRIED TO INVADE CANADA! this time u were the agressors attempting to capitalize on briatains conflict with napolean and u lost! stop trying to make out it was a draw. u failed in your objective of trying to take canada:
As for the spurious claim about impressment - it is BS taught in US History books to cover your blushes and dignity about not achieving your main goal.
To quote Thomas Jefferson in 1812, "The conquest of CANADA will be a mere matter of marching."
The US were the aggressors in this war don't forget - declared war on Britain, invaded Canada, got kicked out and had their capitol burned and several US cities were held at the time of the treaty.
Yet American schools still teach this as a US Victory? LMAO.
My dear British cousin how can you possible call this a victory. No lands was won, no people were conquered nothing was gained. If that is not an all out draw then what is it?
Now before we get in to a heated debate i respect your opinion as this is history we may debate different things. The americans attacked first using milatary force. we pushed you out of canada which was of course our primary war goal. now i know that people say that america pushed the british out of america but i say that we didn't start the war militarily. :-)
you guys attacked our sailors and forced them into your navy. The fighting in Canada came years after the fighting in the Americas so how was saving Canada be your primary goal. Yes we pushed you out of America, you guys traveled across the Atlantic and attacked us and made America the battleground of that war. And in the end you guys were forced out.
i am so sorry, but what book did you get this crap of information from. We attacked first? My friend its was you, not us that attacked first. you guys attacked our sailors and forced them into your navy. The fighting in Canada came years after the fighting in the Americas so how was saving Canada be your primary goal. Yes we pushed you out of America, you guys traveled across the Atlantic and attacked us and made America the battleground of that war. And in the end you guys were forced out.
Look, i have said this so many times, :-) we were fighting a war in europe, a very important war. if we lost we would have been taken over. now we cant have you taking our fighting men away. you should have handed them back and avoided it. So we took our deserters back!!! in America our priamry goal was to keep Canada it wasn't our priamry goal to take over America.
also we only traveled across the atlantic after the war in Europe was over at which point you sued for peace. we managed to fend you off with the help of our Canadians allies and few British colonial troops.
Deserters? How can people from another country be deserters? You pointing out that point further shows that it was the British not the Americans who sparked this war. Yes we attacked the Canadian provinces and was pushed back, but you Brits also attacked our mainland countless times and was always repelled. I have watched many BBC (a British source) documentaries that would agree that this war ended in a draw. No lands were won, no people were conquered-it was a draw
because if a country is in controll of the contested land at the end of the war that country or in this case colony wins. you just say draw to lessen the blow but it could be termed a stailmate but with verry little evidence
Hmmm...i have taken many many history classes in my life time and not one, not even the poorly written American history books, ever mention the war of 1812 as a win for America. You are falsely inform my dear Canadian neighbor; The war was clearly a stalemate because no one gained or lost anything. If that is not a draw then what is?
your own generals (thiugh cant remember name right now) once said if a country sucessfully a invading force then it has won. canada defeated 2 invasiond in upper and lower canada.
@airomus We stopped an invasion and expansion of the U.S. Too bad for Mexico that lost much of its territory and now many from Mexico are treated as illegal immigrants.
The Americans burned down Toronto(then York), the British burned down Washington, The Americans were kicked out of Canada, the British were kicked out of America. Looks like a draw to me.
Where did you get that stupid made-up excuse for a fact from. The United States of America was not even a country after the revolutionary war, so how could we have considered our self a country before the war? The America as we know it was not a country until the constitution was signed in 1787, 14 years after the Boston tea party.
My point is that Nationhood can precede statehood just like the 13 Colonies had that sense of nation before they adopted the Constitution same as Canadians had nationhood before 1867.
Wrong again, American history would show that only a small percentage of "Americans" had any sense of American nationalism; the rest were still loyal to the King. Each state had there own reason for independence, it wasn't because of some American pride or nationalism. And after the war the independent Americans did not form a nation, but a confederation (an alliance) of 13 independent states; Each with their own laws, currency and governing bodies.
YAWN.... oh did you say something? All I heard was babbling. The world doesn't revolve around the US sorry to break your bubble. My point remains, Canadian identity (or American identity) has nothing to do with statehood. Now run along and do something useful if that's possible.
Oh wow was that supposed to impress me or something, am i supposed to be scared? Fuck man i just lost a lot of respect for you. I actually thought you were some one that i could have an intellectual debate with, but it turns out your some snobby little piss of a kid, who has to turn to child like tactics to try to get his baseless arguments through. Grow up first, then come back and try again to debate.
WAKE UP PEOPLE BRITISH LOST!!!!!
lolfailingsoulmate 2 days ago
ha ha how is it america thinks they won the 1812 war sorry to say it actually was the British
Knightrider9091 2 days ago
@Knightrider9091 then you woke up
TheIceman567 2 days ago
Thing is tho at this time Britains main army was fightin in Spain against napoleon and Lord Horatio Nelson was dead. If there was no napoleon. Arthur Wellesley would have been sent to america to lead an army and we would have probably won. If nelson was still alive our fleet would have annihilated ur navy. Im not trying to rub it in. Im just stating the facts.
legokid5872 3 months ago
@legokid5872
facts? you just stated a shit load of speculations. Wellington's brother in law was killed at New Orleans...the Royal Navy lost 3 frigates in 4 months...such a loss rate never happened in 14 yrs of previous naval warfare with France.
At Plattsburg, the British force outnumbered the Americans 5 to 1 and never crossed the lake in the intented invasion since a few USN sloops controlled it.
10,000 men were simply called off
USMarineRifleman0311 3 days ago
@EMPIRE01233
the US armies went back south to defend their country from the British...the canadians cant claim shit...We burned Toronot and we back south when their big brother sailed across the atlantic to save them
USMarineRifleman0311 4 months ago
@EMPIRE01233 Wrong the US held the land till the british cried for Peace we won more battles. The British held shit and the Royal navy got it's ass handed to it.
TheIceman567 4 months ago
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Planetar17 9 months ago
Hey did u make this because of wat we are learning in class
shufflelover98 11 months ago
@EMPIRE01233 yh mostly by british forces idiot
WolveZGuY 1 year ago
@WolveZGuY All Canadian efforts in the war were as British. The regiments stationed here recruited heavily from the local population. Even Native efforts were seen as British. The Royal Newfoundland Regiment served in just about every battle of the war even the unsuccessful ones. They were a new world British Regiment & a Canadian regiment today.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
Yeah we wanted to annex British North America or Canada but we didn't. But for my Canadian friends all ended well for a few years at least.
Kryptonian250 1 year ago
@EMPIRE01233 We never set out ot TAKE Canada
it was never an objective
our objectives were to.. end impressment get free trade end arms supply to the indians end the buffer zone that prevented western expansion... GET THE BRITS out of our ass.... we accomplished our objectives.. :P basically canada was a way to get their attention if we could free canada so be it.. but it was never an objective to take it or free it.. :P
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
The 1812 war was act of agression on the usa apart has for the so called axe to grind with the british is that we were stoping there shipping so can some one explain why the usa did not declare war on the French who were also doing the same.
The war it self to came down to a unpoplar president. He only became poplar after the battle of new orleans and declair it a victory while the usa was on it's knees.
If the british had there eyes on the usa why did they even bother giving back what we took.
oldnick1955 1 year ago
@oldnick1955
The French agreed to stop. How well they lived up to their end is up for debate, and was probably less than we would have liked, but they at least paid lip service, not to mention doubled our territory on the cheap.
Robertz1986 1 year ago
@oldnick1955 Agression from the USA??? you have to understand the war before you even claim
THE WAR was never about taking Canada... Canada was merely a PAWN so we could get what we wanted (which were the stated objectives by the Leaders..) End impressment.. free trade with anyone...stop the British blockades of our shores...stop the arms supply of indians.... end the buffer zone in the western territories that the British deeply wanted and had been supplying for decades
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
not to mention they were supplying indians all over the place to fight against us
the Northwest
the Creek War
blahhh.. it was annoying.. and aggression?
you better look up things like the
Leopard Cheasepeake Affair
the BRits started the aggression against us and we asked... for several decades for it to stop
but they didnt :P and after the war... they met with alll our terms XD
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
@mrpianodude91 impressment stopped because the need for sailors in the royal navy was far lower because the Napoleonic war had ended had nothing to do with force from America, all american war goals would have happend regardless of the war becuse briten didetn need to do things like impressment when napolion was gone
achammer 1 year ago
@mrpianodude91 You are right about British agression the fact is they controlled a good chunk of the world and held power over you even the civil war was partly pressed by both Britain and France. mSaying that though you still got bet the white house buring down is probably a good sign of that.
TheMaskhadov 1 year ago
The cause and outcome, profit for British bankers wake up, patriots are gun fodder.
da2nox 1 year ago
What about the USS Cheapeake vs HMS Shannon!!!!!! 15 minutes of pure US Navy arse kicking!!! We got the timbers of the Cheapeake in a mill near us. A must see for all US maritime experts!!!! (NOT!)
Redcoat66 1 year ago
Early in the war Thomas Jefferson said that the capture of canada was "a mere matter of marching" then british regulars and canadian miltia later burned down his house
theflava45 2 years ago 3
I love that story. Not that I have anything against the Americans today, but in the war of 1812, I think it was unjust to drag the colonies of British North America into a war that was basically a grudge between England and the states. I mean, what did the poor habitants do to deserve that?
canadarox14 2 years ago
@canadarox14 there were british soldiers therE?
what do you expect?
the USA to cross the ocean and fight the British??? lolololol
besides Americans believed Canadiens wanted the same thing
.. not to be kiss ass LOL XD
but they were wrong
BUT we did keep parts of Canada after the war :P
we achieved all of our objectives (which the capture of canada was NEVER a stated objective.... thats a ton of BS that most historians dont even agree with because there is no proof ha)
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
@mrpianodude91 "Manifest destany" was no secret. It was always an intent to absorb Canada even before the War of Independance Benjemen Franklen had outlined a plan of English Prodastant domination of the contant.
Which is Why the Quebec Act was one of the Intolerable acts that lead to the revolution.
Eddythebeast666 1 year ago
@mrpianodude91 all the American objective in the war were not achieved because of the war they simply expired impressment didn't end becuse of the war of 1812 it ended becuse Britain didn't need sailors any more because Napoleon was defeated, also the stoping of american ships from trading with france was ended around the time the war started it just took so long for the message to cross the ocean the war had already begun all the objectives in the war would have happend regardless
achammer 1 year ago
Kith & Kin Fight like cats & dogs, but old sloppy jaws from Britain, ..Never give in...
heabiejeabie 3 years ago
as a native new zealander, ive recently become facinated by this war. and as an unbiased view, the only logical answer would be that Canada won, USA lost and britain got nothing out of it.
Love4SK 3 years ago
At the time of the war there was no Canada. So there was no way Canada won anything cause it didn't exist as a nation at the particular time. The Canadian territory belonged to England at the time.
airomus 3 years ago
You're right. Canada wasn't considered a country until 1867.
However, as a Canadian, I know that Canadians fought in the war of 1812 to defend their homes and rights, the same way that Americans fought during the American Revolution.
No body says that George Washington wasn't American just because he was born in a british colony. If he was willing to fight for his home, that gives him a right to it. The same is true of Canada.
canadarox14 2 years ago
people of british of provinces of canada fought in the war of 1812 to defend there land because they are loyal to the british. because canada is provinces of britain that it people loyal to the british. during american revolution many migrated to canada because they loyal to british. canadian been kiss british ass for 200 year until 1867 and continue ass kiss to1982.
Razcal87 2 years ago
@canadarox14 THere was also a Canadian Campaign in the American Revolutionary War
it was just one campaign of the war.. just like in hte War of 1812
besides.. USA didnt want to Annex Canada.. it was never a stated objective (look at my replies to the other guys on this video for the objectives)
:P
we actually kept parts of CANADA.. atleast Canada during then HA
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
It was a stalemate and nobody won. But Canada was know at this time as a British dependency called British North America. (BNA)
Nightjar1993 3 years ago
britain got 2000 dead soldiers
but america got 1500
lexxboomtown 3 years ago
have you deleted my response, dealing with your counter-argument? thats very bad form airomus!
adyingbreed82 3 years ago
Sorry for that it was an accident. i clicked remove instead of reply. Can you please re-post your comment or post a new comment entirely.
airomus 3 years ago
dont get me wrong im not hating on americans, i like u mostly, but what im hearing i just cant believe. all great nations lose wars every now and then in their history, its ok. your not doing too bad apart form 1812, the bay of pigs in cuba, and vietnam. but if u try to lie about history it can have dire results. p.s. im being serious i do like a great deal about america and its people. peace.
adyingbreed82 3 years ago
Okay...one we didn't lose the war of 1812, the bay of pig was a huge blunder, but i don't think that could be considered a war (we didn't even use American troops to pull of that mission), and Vietnam was not a war but a merge confrontation with barbaric communist who wised to push their socialist ideas on people that didn't want it. The reason Vietnam was stopped was because it lost popular support. The people saw the true face of war and it scared them.
airomus 3 years ago
and the british-canadian force achieved there goal by repelling this aggressive american imperialism. just because we didnt take american land either does not mean it was inconclusive. that wasnt our goal, just to protect canada from would be american imperialism. how ridiculous would it sound if britain tried to make out the 1776 war was a draw bcause although we didnt conquer america like wise the americans didnt conquer britain? it would be ridiculous as that wasnt your goal:
adyingbreed82 3 years ago
What are you talking about? In the war of 1776 we won our independence and gained (emphasis on gain because for some reason you haven't gotten it in your head that the objective of war is to gain something. if both parties of war do not gain anything new by the end of the war it is considered a stalemate) land that belonged to Britain. so their is no way that that precise war can be considered a draw in any manner.
airomus 3 years ago
ok clearly you didnt read my comment properly, i was illustrating that clearly the colonists won the war of independence, i was making a comparison of how it would just be as ridiculous to claim the same thats all. and you are wrong it is not the objective of a war to gain something. the victor of a war is decided by whoever controls the disputed territory at the end of the day, in this case canada.
adyingbreed82 3 years ago
what is wrong with you americans? you declared war on britain and attempted to annex canada. u were soundly beaten all the way back to washington (which we burned) and then u sued for peace. i dont believe what im hearing "americas second war for liberation?". U TRIED TO INVADE CANADA! this time u were the agressors attempting to capitalize on briatains conflict with napolean and u lost! stop trying to make out it was a draw. u failed in your objective of trying to take canada:
adyingbreed82 3 years ago
Lastly, Britain had no intentions of invading the US. It had been far more profitable as a trading partner than it ever had as a colony.
madbob73 3 years ago
As for the spurious claim about impressment - it is BS taught in US History books to cover your blushes and dignity about not achieving your main goal.
To quote Thomas Jefferson in 1812, "The conquest of CANADA will be a mere matter of marching."
madbob73 3 years ago
The US were the aggressors in this war don't forget - declared war on Britain, invaded Canada, got kicked out and had their capitol burned and several US cities were held at the time of the treaty.
Yet American schools still teach this as a US Victory? LMAO.
madbob73 3 years ago
Why do all Americans say this was a draw and all British and Canadians say it was a victory??????
jamesmlbelcher 3 years ago
My dear British cousin how can you possible call this a victory. No lands was won, no people were conquered nothing was gained. If that is not an all out draw then what is it?
airomus 3 years ago
Now before we get in to a heated debate i respect your opinion as this is history we may debate different things. The americans attacked first using milatary force. we pushed you out of canada which was of course our primary war goal. now i know that people say that america pushed the british out of america but i say that we didn't start the war militarily. :-)
jamesmlbelcher 3 years ago
you guys attacked our sailors and forced them into your navy. The fighting in Canada came years after the fighting in the Americas so how was saving Canada be your primary goal. Yes we pushed you out of America, you guys traveled across the Atlantic and attacked us and made America the battleground of that war. And in the end you guys were forced out.
airomus 3 years ago
i am so sorry, but what book did you get this crap of information from. We attacked first? My friend its was you, not us that attacked first. you guys attacked our sailors and forced them into your navy. The fighting in Canada came years after the fighting in the Americas so how was saving Canada be your primary goal. Yes we pushed you out of America, you guys traveled across the Atlantic and attacked us and made America the battleground of that war. And in the end you guys were forced out.
airomus 3 years ago
Look, i have said this so many times, :-) we were fighting a war in europe, a very important war. if we lost we would have been taken over. now we cant have you taking our fighting men away. you should have handed them back and avoided it. So we took our deserters back!!! in America our priamry goal was to keep Canada it wasn't our priamry goal to take over America.
jamesmlbelcher 3 years ago
also we only traveled across the atlantic after the war in Europe was over at which point you sued for peace. we managed to fend you off with the help of our Canadians allies and few British colonial troops.
jamesmlbelcher 3 years ago
Deserters? How can people from another country be deserters? You pointing out that point further shows that it was the British not the Americans who sparked this war. Yes we attacked the Canadian provinces and was pushed back, but you Brits also attacked our mainland countless times and was always repelled. I have watched many BBC (a British source) documentaries that would agree that this war ended in a draw. No lands were won, no people were conquered-it was a draw
airomus 3 years ago
because if a country is in controll of the contested land at the end of the war that country or in this case colony wins. you just say draw to lessen the blow but it could be termed a stailmate but with verry little evidence
lexxboomtown 3 years ago
Hmmm...i have taken many many history classes in my life time and not one, not even the poorly written American history books, ever mention the war of 1812 as a win for America. You are falsely inform my dear Canadian neighbor; The war was clearly a stalemate because no one gained or lost anything. If that is not a draw then what is?
airomus 3 years ago
your own generals (thiugh cant remember name right now) once said if a country sucessfully a invading force then it has won. canada defeated 2 invasiond in upper and lower canada.
lexxboomtown 3 years ago
@airomus We stopped an invasion and expansion of the U.S. Too bad for Mexico that lost much of its territory and now many from Mexico are treated as illegal immigrants.
bill541000 1 year ago
actully the french were reconized as Canadiens and Quebec and right to retain there culture was traded for thier support in the war
SonOfCascadia 3 years ago
The Americans burned down Toronto(then York), the British burned down Washington, The Americans were kicked out of Canada, the British were kicked out of America. Looks like a draw to me.
triplebaseball 3 years ago
You invaded us, we defended and kicked you back south, how is that not a win.
jimmyphack 3 years ago 11
@jimmyphack ummm because YOU did not kick us out of Canada
when the British were carrying out invasions.. likr Baltimore.. New Orleans...Cheasepeake (which were horrific failures.. with massive casualties)
we were stil within Canada.... Siege of Fort Erie... just one of those battles haha
we also came out of the war with Canadian Land (Carlton Island being one of those haha)
we achieved our objectives
WHICH WAS NOT TO TAKE CANADA
it never was
Canada was nothing more tha
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
@jimmyphack 1. Get The Brits attention.... 2. if possible use Canada as a bargaining Chip
it wasnt a war of Expansion :P
it was a war to end impressment
free trade
end the supply of arms to indians
end the buffer zone in our western territory
basically get British peeps out of our ass
and we got that accomplish
thus its a victory :P
mrpianodude91 1 year ago
@jimmyphack We gained fishing rights in British-Canadian waters the British gained nothing in America.Now that's a US win.
TheIceman567 7 months ago
but befor our forces left we burnt down ottwa
12we3r 3 years ago
You fail, You burned down York not Ottawa, Spelling is essential in life. stay in school.
jimmyphack 3 years ago 2
lol you're stupid, how many times must i say this CANADA WAS NOT A COUNTRY and we were fighting england
droood1086 3 years ago
The USA wasn't a country when the Boston Tea Party took place but you sure act like it was. Same thing dimwit.
blacbraun 2 years ago
Where did you get that stupid made-up excuse for a fact from. The United States of America was not even a country after the revolutionary war, so how could we have considered our self a country before the war? The America as we know it was not a country until the constitution was signed in 1787, 14 years after the Boston tea party.
airomus 2 years ago
My point is that Nationhood can precede statehood just like the 13 Colonies had that sense of nation before they adopted the Constitution same as Canadians had nationhood before 1867.
blacbraun 2 years ago
Wrong again, American history would show that only a small percentage of "Americans" had any sense of American nationalism; the rest were still loyal to the King. Each state had there own reason for independence, it wasn't because of some American pride or nationalism. And after the war the independent Americans did not form a nation, but a confederation (an alliance) of 13 independent states; Each with their own laws, currency and governing bodies.
airomus 2 years ago
YAWN.... oh did you say something? All I heard was babbling. The world doesn't revolve around the US sorry to break your bubble. My point remains, Canadian identity (or American identity) has nothing to do with statehood. Now run along and do something useful if that's possible.
blacbraun 2 years ago
Oh wow was that supposed to impress me or something, am i supposed to be scared? Fuck man i just lost a lot of respect for you. I actually thought you were some one that i could have an intellectual debate with, but it turns out your some snobby little piss of a kid, who has to turn to child like tactics to try to get his baseless arguments through. Grow up first, then come back and try again to debate.
airomus 2 years ago