This crazy bastard was a real nut, believing he was Jesus, a whacko, but FUCK big brother. Thinking you're Jesus and being crazy isn't a crime. Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a big box store, NOT a federal agency.
the truth is david koresh was a pedophile who also impregnated some of the children at the branch davidian retreat. i reckon david koresh knew the consequences of his little secret and decided he would lay down arms and fight and there was no way he was being taken alive.
@LIVEREALFOOLED, Have any proof of Koresh being a pedophile? Never heard of the Government sending the ATF, Chinook helicopters, Tanks, and CS gas killing the same children he supposively raped all in the name of a pedophile. But I guess your version makes more sense.
@EastCoastDude99 under no circumstances will ever support the aggression and tactics and ultimately the wrong decisions the ATF made, they got it wrong i wont refute it. but ultimately they was deployed from intelligence, i spy was infiltrated inside waco and once the whistle was blown they deployed. listen if you google david koresh pedophile its all there some of the victims testified in front of congress. it didnt last 50 days by accident with sticks and stones did it?
@LIVEREALFOOLED,the wistle was blown because the Government is threatened by anyone who excercises their Second Amendment Rights especially when you have followers and a large piece of land (which the Government really owns since we pay endless property taxes even after we close a mortgage but thats another issue). The best way to get public opinion on your side is to claim "Innocent children are being raped" then testify to Congress "AFTER" (why not before?) the ATF gased and murdered them.
I don't care what Homeland Security or the Southern Law poverty Center claims based on their opinions. Im looking at actual statistics. 911 alone killed 3000 people. Ft. Hood shooter who killed dozens was Muslim. The DC Sniper was Muslim. There would be thousands of more deaths if we didnt stop the Christmas day Hijacker who was Muslim, The Times Square bomber who was Muslim. I can go on. All "recent" examples in the USA. Lets stop this silly debate because theres no comparison.
And when you're done struggling through a response by dodging the question, I'll start listing all the Middle East attacks and I wont even include the Palistinian attacks on Isreal just so reality doesn't hit your fantasy world too hard.
Again, give me how many "Right wing extremist attacks" you know of in the last year? I know of just ONE in Sweden. I can name you 30 terrorist attacks by Muslims that resulted in over 500 deaths in the last two months alone. Want to list who has more EXAMPLES in our lifetime? Heck, want to list who has more examples in the past week? Difference is, you have Left Wing lies and talking points, I have DAILY examples as I stated in my last post without going back centuries. So go ahead..
see christian extremism is just as bad as muslim extremism. Look at the norway massacre that happened a couple months ago, biggest shooting in history made by christian extremist.
@coopmuch56, When has a "Christian Extremist" ever killed 3000 Innocent people in one day? And the Norway shooter didn't kill "in the name of Jesus" like Muslims do in the name of Allah, he attacked a Left Leaning political camp resort prompted by his own political beliefs. Try reading up a bit. And did the Branch Davidians in WACO terrorize the community? THEY STAYED on their own property. Stop reaching and trying to make a comparison just because you appease with Muslim barbarians
@EastCoastDude99 Oh not only did they kill more than 3000 they killed millions! Just look at the crusades,burning of witches, inquisition, abortion clinic bombings, I would say right wing extremism is the biggest terrorism, which is what the norway shooter was. Just ask any jew. Well for one he was building illegal machine guns and when police came to confiscate them he shot them. It was HIS fault that all those people died. He was in a radical cult plain and simple.
@coopmuch56, why is it when you appeasers try to compare radical Christianity to modern day Muslim terrorism, you need to go back 600 years for an example? lol Crusades? Heck why not throw in the White man killing the Indian's in the new World while you're at it? Dont you have any recent "DAILY" examples like I could give you when it comes to Islamic terrorism? (72 people killed in Iraq suicide Bombings yesturday by a Sunni Muslim), How many died yesturday from Christian terrorists? (Crickets)
@EastCoastDude99 christianity is 600 years older than islam, islam is just going through the same stage christianity went through. But not quite as bad as christianity though, they dont burn women a live because they think shes a witch. Right wing extremism kills more people than Islam does. And even that number is fairly small more people die from dog bits or peanuts every year than terrorism.
@coopmuch56, in fact, I can list more Islamic attacks then you can "Right wing" attacks without even including the Middle East. USS Cole, African embassies in Tanzania, 911, Madrid Train attacks, Russian attacks, Mogadishu chuch attacks in Sudan, English Subway attacks, 11 killed by Muslim seperatists in the Phillipines, another 5 killed by an arson attack in Ethiopa. I can go on without even including the Middle East. (Christmas hijacker, train attacks in India, ect). You?
@coopmuch56 (continued), so we can bypass your Left Wing lies by listing FACTUAL examples. I just started and have hundreds to go just in the last decade. So lets see how many "SPECIFIC examples" you have in the last few years. Yes we know you like going back centuries by lets talk modern times ok? When you're done, I'll get to listing the thousands of attacks in the middle east in the last 3 years alone. So lets hear it?
@EastCoastDude99 James Wenneker von Brunn, Norway shooter, Jared lougher, Assasination of henry tiller, Dr. David Gunn, Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols,Robert Sanderson,Dr. Barnett Slepian, Emily Lyons, Steven Rogers, Barnett Slepian. the Bologna bombing, I can go on, Im not trying to say islam doesnt have terrorists but statistics prove right wing terrorism causes more death. i.e. Hitler was right wing.As bad as islam can get we cant be islamaphobes.
@coopmuch56, Now your using Hitler as an example? LOL. Well I guess I'll use Stalin since he was a leftist who killed MORE people then Hitler. Fact, Look it up. Again, nearly 300 people killed in yesturday in terrorist attacks at the hands of Muslims (over 200 of them in Syria). Thats more murders in one day then all the examples you just listed. How many did Right Wingers kill yesturday? You didn't answer. This is a monthly thing so Im not sure what you're even trying to argue here.
@coopmuch56, TODAY (christmas 2011), AT LEAST 26 dead in a Nigerian Church bombing during Christmas day services at the hands of Muslims. 200 dead Yesturday in twin bombings in Syria, how many have "Right Wing Terrorists killed in the last two days? Could you answer this time instead of bringing up Hitler? Welcome to reality (I can list these attacks everyday if you want). Waiting for your answer.....
@EastCoastDude99 My bad I meant in the USA alone, right wing terrorism/voilence is more prevelant than islam according to Homeland security and the Southern poverty law center.Like I said all religions have voilence fazes buddism,christianity etc and now islam probably because Islam is a lot younger. Christianity committed way worse atrocities though so dont try saying its all good when all religion has manipulated people into doing things in the name of "god".
@coopmuch56, sorry to bother you again with facts. "Twin Bombings in Syria" just one hour ago just killed 200 people. Looks like you have yet another murderous act by Muslims to defend. Wonder how many people died from "Right wing" attacks today? lol. Merry Christmas.
You people are fucking stupid. The problem with the internet is that EVERYONE can voice their opinions. There should be a literacy test before any moron can be allowed onto the internet.
I'm not going to participate in debate on whether the holocaust happened because there was never any debate to be had. Your a fucking retard for believing this. However, your "to cowardly to admit it" WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! It's not something to be ashamed of you bigoted racist and your completely full of shit anyway. I'm through with you, crazy.
Holocaust is 100% Communist Jew war propaganda that only weak minded dupes fall for. Absolutely ZERO physical evidence for the claims of these nasty lying Communist Jews.
@parasitesarefunny ok. all you crazies out there: stop sending me messages. im not going to elevate your position by debating it. Thats why geologists don't debate with flat earthers or evolutionary biologists with creationists. Just enjoy your little delusons in private please.
Umm, no: the Religion of the State is not nearly as powerful as it used to be. Your claim that many European countries want to ban free speech is technically right, but calling it free speech is straw manning what they are trying to achieve. If you read in any sort of depth on the subject this becomes clear (i still don't agree with it). That holocaust law, while absurd, is just another one of those crazy laws that still exist, but are not enforced to any sort of statistically significant length
@steelstan39 If I had a dollar for every Jew on here who was too cowardly to admit it, and wanted to gain credibility by pretending to be one of the Goyim the Jews depise so much... "Not one scientific study has ever provided any scientific evidence of the holocaust, what we know about the holocaust we know from testimony." - Ernst Zundel's trial. (your side of the fence said that, not mine.)
Every single American has the same RIGHT to defend themselves I don't care if you're a crook or a cop or a soldier- point a gun at me and you had better be prepared to use it! Nowhere in US law does it say you must comply when a thug uses the threat of death to extort you into submission, even if the thug happens to work for the state.
ah yes ,David Koresh, buggerer of many underage girls and delusional narcissist, seen here preaching the complete unbiased truth. As for these colorful commenters ranging from hilariously paranoid (guess what guys, you're kind of right: the government doesn't give enough of a shit about you to care about controlling you) and white supremacists/antisemites (all i can do is laugh at you, really {a WASP myself}) you make life so interesting with your misguided aggression
@steelstan39 - It's true that the government doesn't give a shit about the people. For the most part it's an institution to protect the interests of the wealthy and powerful. But David Koresh didn't give a shit about the people either. He was a narcissistic child molester who wanted to establish a theocracy, like most cult leaders. He convinced people to put their lives on the line for him when his swindle went sour.
@A86 The government? I think what you mean to say is this government. Here the average difference in salary between the ceo and his general employees is over 500/1. In western europe it veries between 20-100/1. We don't need to abolish government, indeed we can't: the world would crumble. We need to "catch up" to western europe in just about everything, then we need to do it even better. Then, after about a hundred years without religion, we can take the steps to create a global government.
@steelstan39 - I do agree with you there. Governments can be organized a lot better than the US government currently is. Still, even with the social democracies of Western and Central Europe the government still does ultimately exist to protect the status quo and protect the wealthy. Western Europe still has laws enforcing significant inequality and laws made to specifically protect the wealthy. Maybe just not so overtly like in the US. Now those gov's are trying to copy American corporatism.
@A86 Yes, of course when the rich get their hands on power they will tend to abuse it. But, I would say they are far from trying to copy us. They are a progressive society. They are getting better. If you look at the statistics on social issues (oppression), economic, etc. and put them in chronological order, it's clear that as a whole Europe is getting better in all these areas. America it seems is close to following in suit: more people are less republican and the republicans are going insane.
@steelstan39 Europe may not be plagued by the shackles of irrational superstitious faith as it once was, but the Religion of the State is just as powerful and as violent as ever. Many European countries want to ban free speech and denying the holocaust is a punishable crime in Germany. Why? Since when was having an opinion a crime worthy of imprisonment? And you say Europe is a "free" society? People fail to realize that Statism in the 20th century killed more people than any war ever did!
@LordMalice6d9 Read lower comment first. I'm not sure why you followed "And you say..." with "People fail to..." I don't see the apparently implied connection there. I'm guessing your using proper logic, but what i would claim is a false premise, as that seems to be the trend. As to whether Statism actually is guilty of such a crime: you have to stretch the blaim of Statism for a large number of deaths by a lot to arrive at this conclusion. (I don't support Statism either.)
David Koresh is actually David Koresh Arvedon, the lead vocalist of David Arvedon and The Psychopaths. He escaped the fire in Waco and ran away to Boston.
ATF, FBI, CIA, = CLUSTER FUCK...... So they killed everyone they could,,, And the United States tells other countries how they should run their country....
Why are people supporting a whackjob cult leader? Typical retarded troglodytes that need to get out in the real world instead of being sheltered with mommy forever.
@HailEris2332 You're a typical leftist idiot who sympathizes with child molesting killer cult leaders, but you hate law enforcement officers. Grow up, degenerate freak.
@Veedon7 You can't blame the FBI for cultists shooting at them. The FBI tried to reach a peaceful solution but David decided to tell his followers to kill the officers.
@XmXFLUXmX2 "The FBI tried to reach a peaceful solution but David decided to tell his followers to kill the officers." This is Faux/CNN "news" bull shizer!
Reportedly, this group had been documenting the drug flights of a rather well protected US DRUG dealer that had a private air strip nearby; this is why they BULL DOZED/DUG the area afterwords and had a "wet team" INSIDE.
They had no chance having documented FEDERAL DRUG DEALERS!
I never said anything bad about Australia and I'm fully aware of how fucked up my country is. You made a statement that had been fed to you. What grounds do you have to call the Branch Davidians a cult? I'll bet you are an atheist, huh?
@timdprojesusfreak33 im a christian and koreshs camp was a cult. u could tell cause he thought he was all that and had to talk with a loud, controlling voice. i hate these gullible people who always blame the govt. probably same ones who thought 9/11 was an inside job lol
@timdprojesusfreak33 I'm an atheist, and I wouldn't call them a cult without looking into it, or having evidence to go off of. So that last part of your comment makes me think. Do you assume all atheist would look at them as a cult, because you might think all atheist look at religious people that way or something? Not saying you were thinking that but it just got me thinking.
@putthisonmytab You are spot on. Every atheist I know thinks anyone w/ zeal for the Lord is a fanatic. The people who truly should have you worried are those who claim to be religious but you never see them sharing their faith.
@timdprojesusfreak33 I don't think all religous people as being in a cult nor do I think all churches display cult like behavor. My family goes to church, i'm an Atheist, so I don't. Though i'm sure there are plenty of Atheist out there that think like that. I really don't know who or what Zeal for the lord is. At the same time I wouldn't go calling them a cult unless I looked into it, and they really seemed like a fucking cult. lol Anyways southpark brought me here XD
@timdprojesusfreak33 im an atheist and i back up the branch davidians and it stings me to the pit of my stomach researching about that tragedy, fuck the us gov
the guy was just problably trying to get away from the NWO senario and live his life freely,but the ATF had to come in and start shooting everybody for no reason,,,and then the media came in and spinned the story around like he was the vilan,,,when are people r going to wake up.
You Militia and Patriots you should have attacked after Waco. You had your chance. You missed your opportunity, because everyone hated the government. They saw how they murdered those women and children. You could have attacked Capitol Hill when they were voting on giving Israel more aid. You let them murder those children for nothing and now you let them pull off 9/11. What are you waiting for? If it's martial law you are screwing up. Your country will be full blown Communism in a year.
Some of you really need to stop listening to Alex Jones and people like him. How people can be so gullible to fall for his crap is beyond me. The guy is making money off of your fear and paranoia. David Koresh was a sicko and a danger to society. He had no need for all the arms he purchased, it is illegal to stockpile weapons. You cannot buy a shitload of guns and expect it to not get noticed.
@815Sox Koresh may have been a little nuts, but he would have had to be truly insane and heartless to purposefully burn down the ranch with so many children inside (other Davidians said he had not planned a fire). One reason that he had stockpiled so many weapons is because they were waiting for "the end of the world" and felt like they would need them if there was hysteria. Crazy, yes, but they should have just arrested Koresh. Instead, this is what happened. There is ample blame on both sides.
Gotta love all these people defending a pedophile and calling others sheep. The guy was holding people hostage, armed to the teeth and was showing signs of a quickly worsening situation. Some people are so conditioned to believe that any and every single action a government takes is "wrong".
Koresh was no different from any other doomsday cult leader. He was giving chance after chance to free his hostages and he didn't. I do not grieve for him, only those he brainwashed.
@815Sox just another gutless yank turd =(koresh),and all these fuckwits,blaming atf,etc are the biggest FUCKHEADS of all,and should all be shot to death,and mutilated.
@nightsniper45 There was no reason to invade this property .... Then to lie to him and say "we'll leave" they said that because they knew they were wrong to begin with... And you are a moron....
@nightsniper45 By the way there is no evidence that he was a pedophile... Besides the news saying it...
The CIA wanted to give the people a reason to kill him and the dividians , The dividians had broke into the CIA database and knew the CIA was smuggling cocaine , drugs , and weapons and laundering money..
All of you are sick in the head to defend Koresh or try to justify his actions. Hate the U.S. government or not, you should realize Koresh was mentally ill. I'm sick of everyone's dumbass teenage 'everyone is victimized' bullshit. It's pathetic.
@SESdisciple why didnt they just take him off the streets on his "planned everyday morning runs", like they couldve done and not make it about everybody else in the compound, mentally ill or not, they could've avoided a big shootout. i just want a normal argumentative, calm way of a conversation.
@SKat036 I see what you're saying, but there's people out there that actually believe Koresh himself was innocent. Despite those innocent people in the compound, being under the leadership Koresh exposed them to the authoroties going overboard and shooting up the place (mind you, that is not their fault for the authoroties getting out of line.) Bottom line, Koresh was a sick man.
@Eliyahu775 first of all, the SDA church is not a sect, it is a christian church. second, Koresh ceased to be adventist when he LEFT the church and formed his own "compound". whatever that entailed is anyones guess.
third i agree with you...the US, even with all our problems right now, is THE UNDISPUTED sole Super Power on the face of the earth and will be the muscle behind the enforcement of the mark of the beast.
@gariadara thats true. Koresh is constantly & WRONGLY assumed to be SDA. He LEFT the church to form his "compound". His beliefs were his own and that is one reason he LEFT the SDA church. He ceased to be SDA when he left the church.
@redcommander27 LOL! why dont u ignorant people LEARN a little about the subject u are spouting off about before u open mouth & insert foot? XD
He LEFT the Adventist church to form whatever he formed at his "compound". Koresh did not represent the Adventist church. His beliefs were his own, thats why he LEFT the church.
on the subject of hell, u are also wrong. SDA's do indeed believe in hell. like the bible says PUNISHMENT in the fire, then DEATH, NOT eternal life in hell as u believe.
@rusda2 I never said that Koresh's actions reflected 7th Day Adventism or that he was part of the mainstream adventist church, he was a fringe extremist who's sect, the Branch Davidians, splintered off from SDA and thus held much of their beliefs. All I was saying was that someone who holds SDA beliefs would not belive in Hell, which is a place of eternal punishment rejected by SDA doctrine. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I wasn't trashing SDA just explaining what Koresh believed.
@redcommander27 Hi, no problem, i wasnt attacking you just clarifiying some things.
Also, we will have to agree to disagree on the hell issue. the bible is very clear that the wages of sin is DEATH. if a person suffers eternally in hell they arent really dead are they? :) nope, they are ALIVE eternally in hell. the popular teaching of eternal hell is a doctrine brought into christianity by the roman catholic church from paganism. bible says satan & the wicked burn to ashes.
And that no man would be a false prophet and do stupid crazy shit, save that he knew the Mark, or the name of the Bomb. Here is wisdom of the "apocalypse". Let him that has understanding count the number of the Mother:
'G B U 4 3'
(from the Extra Spicy Chicken version of the Air Force Apocalyptic Field Manual)
@lovebug11768 So that justifies the ATF murdering the people inside the compound? I think the dude's a nut too, as well as the retards who followed him. Shit, I can't stand fundamentalist Christians either (who are probably more insane and dangerous than the Branch Davidians, when ya think about it) but that doesn't mean I wanna roll up on them with a tank.
Exactly. I would never defend Koresh, he was a piece of garbage. However, he left the Branch Davidians and had his own kook sect that lived on the compound.
@lovebug11768 he's not a hero but they were American citizens wrongfully murdered by our Jew controlled US government for simply being different. They broke no law and if they wanted to take Koresh peacefully into custody they could've done so anytime when he went shopping for supplies which was quite regularly. The Jew controlled government wanted this standoff and all these deaths to try and send a message to white America that resistance is futile. It simply ended up backfiring on them.
@H4rryF you're right it wouldn't, you must have good sense despite residing in the homosexual filled degenerate land of the UK where niggers burn down your cities stab your women to death and rape them while most of the metrosexual and homosexual male populace argues tirelessly about how hitler did this or that meanwhile groids and muslims are burning your homes down. Rule Britannia dudes!
"argues tirelessly about how hitler did this or that"
Yeah we have this effeminate gay desire to stop something like that happening again. It's only a matter of life or death. Mostly death in his case. Sieg Heil ,dude
@H4rryF something like what? Holohoax was a propaganda lie of the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg. Red Cross Jew death totals debunk it as well. Not to mention there was never any document recovered from the extensive German archive of Adolf Hitler ever ordering such a thing. The Final Solution was a physical expulsion of Jews to other countries not an instituted genocide you typical british beta male weakling. Well anywho have fun with niggers and muzzies raping your mothers and girlfriends. Go Britain!
@H4rryF something like what? Holohoax was a propaganda lie of the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg. Red Cross Jew death totals debunk it as well. Not to mention there was never any document recovered from the extensive German archive of Adolf Hitler ever ordering such a thing. The Final Solution was a physical expulsion of Jews to other countries not an instituted genocide you typical british beta male weakling. Well anywho have fun with niggers and muzzies raping your mothers and girlfriends. Go Britain!
@lovebug11768 he didn't brainwash anybody, the suriving dividians showed no symtoms or signs of being controlled. Compared to Mr. Manson and Mr. Jones, its obvious Koresh did not show signs of being a cult leader in need of power.
Its clear that the media was painting Koresh as a evil cult leader/child molester for the public.
@1shoryuken Making people bring their families to a hidden compound with weapons and preach to them and tell them that what he is saying is the absolute truth and that if people try to come to stop what he is doing they must fight them off, that DID happen, the child molesting stuff, the meth stuff may not have, but that stuff DID happen, do you not see that as insane, do you not think he was a cult leader? If not then maybe you're brainwashed.
@PrivateJoker17 No one was forced to do anything. Get all the facts, watch the documentaries, see the man who was shot trying to go in to be with his family. Any way you slice it, our government is a ruthless gang.
@timdprojesusfreak33 I don't disagree with you in regards to the American government, but David Koresh was a cult leader and an absolute cunt. What the government and the ATF did to him/the people who were in that compound was insane, but I cannot see how you can deny him being a cult leader.
@PrivateJoker17 Cult? D'ya mean in the - loosely slung around by the govt. and it's media - sense of the word? Like the word terrorist. What, soon, you and I will be for having this conversation. Some say the Mormons are a cult. Should our government go occupy Utah? By the way, what proof do you have? I've searched the internet and I can't find it.
@timdprojesusfreak33 First, I'm not an American, I'm an Australian, so it's not my governement, but Koresh was held up in a compound, calling himself a prophet, teaching people what he claimed is the absolute truth, they had a lot of weapons in this compound and were prepared to fight off any authorities that came near their compound, that is classic cult behaviour. I don't even see how this is a subject of argument.
@timdprojesusfreak33 Wow, okay, now I know you're just an ignorant dick, I thought I was having a discussion with an intelligent person, should have seen the signs from your initial comments. Fuck you, you idiotic, narrow minded prick.
@PrivateJoker17 Oh here we go, another internet tough guy. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Speak that is. Only when you know what the funk you're talking about. Now go watch the news and hang on every word. Moron.
@timdprojesusfreak33 You just completely insulted me for being from Australia and I don't see why, Australia is one of the most advanced western countries in the world, we have a great education system, our happiness level is quite high and we do very well economically, our country is also full of intelligent people, unlike the US, which is a backwards, ignorant, war mongering religious extremist country, so how dare you insult ME. THAT is why I called you narrow minded, THAT is why I got angry.
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Just like a liberal Democrat President......theyll kill Christian children with ease but when it comes to sniping out Osama Bin Ladin in the Sudan, Clinton calls off a CIA hit because several Muslim children were "near by" at the time. Odd.
Koresh and his church was as manipulative as anyother church. So what then? Weed out the other churches and cults? Your crazy this was not American justice. It was a crime what those ATF agents and the Justice Department did and none can raise their heads with pride. They killed babies in a cellar pumping the room full of gas. That's justice? Your crazy. Watch the documentary Waco rules of engagement on youtube and you'll be so ashamed of yourself for blabbing like a fool.
Our government is pure evil. The process of it becoming so really began when JFK was assassinated. up until then the government and the country were slowly becoming better and better. After the murder of JFK by the military industrialists, it was all downhill from there. Like all evil empires in history, the US government will fall and the empire will be destroyed. It is already happening and I will rejoice the day this government falls completely for only then can we build something better.
You should watch Children of Waco. You sir, are very distorted. Don't just watch that documentary, but get information from all sides, instead of just conspiracy capitalists like Alex Jones. I swear, people will go on and on about how they were just these great innocent people, attacked by our government for trying to be good christian patriots. That is simply bullshit of the highest order. He armed up, because he commited to the lifestyle he created. He was going to die, not go to prison.
Two different factions doing things wrong collided that day. Even if the ATF stayed out of it and let them live their lives, this man would still be molesting and banging little girls and keeping all the women to himself. They were far from Christians when the ATF got there. He had a cult going, which meant that the situation should have been handled with extra care. How you can label these nut bags Christians. The ATF is allowed to go after gun trafficking, but they got a bogus drug warrant.
@ParasiteFromTheHills You tell me what kind of Christian Molests a 10 year old girl and separates Husbands from Wives who have children. The ATF did many things that were completely wrong. At the same time Koresh is using doublespeak. This man is no patriot, the man was molesting children and brainwashing families to support his nonsense. In classic style arming him and his followers as any pedophile would to protect his little alternate universe, so he could keep having sex with children.
@turkeydogification TELLME guajolote pendejo if is true what u said, why? if the people was armed inside the compund (according with the atf n media ),why they dont kill him if he was so vicius with the ladies n kids there?SEE U R SO STUPID that belive any thing you read or hear koresh was a free redneck is why u slavist goverment went after him. u turkey stupid u r living on a waco compund now ;but its no controled by koresh is controled by u goverment a goverment that punish u ass as it please
@traslomita Your not even making any sense.. You look even more stupid then the person your trying to call stupid. Dont you people ever realise this? Just take a second to copy and paste your fucking words into Microsoft Word and spell check it if your this fucking retarded. Seriously can i get some thumbs up on this one i mean come on!
this is a free country u have the right to live the way u want to live no matter who does or doesnt like it david koresh never did anything wrong accept stock pile arms they couldve toook him the day before while he was grocery shopping but they didnt and the atf new that the dividians new about there plan and they went on with it anyways the way i see it is if u drive a tank through my front door yea im goin to shoot thets just the way it is that whole thing couldve been avoided
@SuperTdub2 Do your research. He was sexually abusing young girls, and brainwashing people into thinking he was Messiah. That you don't think this is wrong says a lot about you!
@IwshIcldstrtover ; "But FBI Director William Sessions publicly denied the charge and told reporters that they had no such information about child abuse inside the Mount Carmel. [17] A careful examination of the other child abuse charges found the evidence to be weak and ambiguous, casting doubt on the allegations. [18]"
@deskducker Why don't you go watch Children of Waco and hear it out of the victims mouths themselves. Some people have managed to leave the compound throughout the years before the raid. It is not a cover up story by the government to gain public favor of their debacle, David Koresh is just another crazy cult leader type, who managed to brainwash a bunch of morons who paid for it later. He armed them as any good child molesting cult leader would. He took away wives, he was that persuasive.
@deskducker Okay, well survivors have confirmed that not only did he beat children and babies with a paddle but they were made to do so as well. I am going to have to go with the first hand information from the victims of this vile brain washing dope. Ever seen Children of Waco?
@SuperTdub2 Yeah and attempted to have sex with a 10 year old girl and it didn't work, gave up trying to get it in. However, he still finished on her anyway. Watch Children of Waco, and get real please. It's obvious the ATF fucked this one up, but really, this guy was crazy and preparing for war, aka protecting himself once he started uking all the kids and took every ones wife away from their husband for himself for his own. He built an army of people who would protect him and armed them.
@ParasiteFromTheHills not saying they deserved it but if he was really about god or he was really who claimed himself to be all of this wouldn't have happened. Its not like he was being oppressed they suspected him of having offspring with 13 year old girls and abusing kids. Also it wasn't like the feds were prosecuting him for his beliefs and what he was preaching. they were trynna find evidence that this man was molesting children. You're asking for a death wish to shoot at feds nuff said.
@ParasiteFromTheHills They are NOT Christians. They do not preach or follow any of Gods words. By law if there is a search warrant issued you have to let them search the place. If there wasn't anything illegal or bad going on its not a big deal. I've let cops search my car before. Nothing happened no shootouts or nothing. No cops dead. No civilians killed. This shit is just crazy. If they didn't want to be governed they could have settled somewhere in Antartica where its not governed by anyone.
look. Do you not understand liberty & the concept of self ownership? I would first suggest u to read up on the works of Bastiat, Rothbard and Hoppe. They explain the nature of liberty, property & the true viles of the "state".
Hey i should also remind you that Forced Slavery was legal and still is in some sense legal. Does it make it moral? If i pass a law prohibitin u from mowin ur lawn on sundays, is that moral? Legality is WHOLLY arbitrary! But liberty & self ownership is non-arbitrary. In fact, liberty & self ownership are the only principles by which morality can exist in. There is no such thing as "Good government"- never was, never is, never will be. Its a contradiction of terms. See Hoppe's works
@swu880 This is the modern age man, should I bring up the Magna Carta for a counter arguement? lol people like you are hopeless... legality is aribrary... tell it to the judge when they haul you away.
So If I think fucking 13 year olds is moral I can do it then? Thats your arguement?
lol- please do read the works of Hoppe, Rothbard and Bastiat. There is no such thing as good government. And laws are not the same as morality- the two are very far separate.
I told u. The essence of morality lies in the concept of self ownership. And from self ownership, all "sub" rights may be derived. It is self ownership & voluntarism which persists morality. Morality aint some bullshit law that is written with pen & paper by some jackass in a suit & tie
Murder aint wrong cuz the law says so- murder is wrong cuz it violates the fundamental sanctum of self ownership & its extension- voluntarism
Might i also remind u, theft has been legal, plunderin has been legal, and both of them continue to be legal- but i then ask, are theft & plundering MORAL?
Anything outside of self ownership is immoral - regardless of whatever some piece of paper or jackass in a suit & tie says
blimy, ANYTHING can be a STATE law. murder, rape, incest, theft, plundering, slavery, anything that has violated the notion of self-ownership has and still remains in some form a "law"
What can't become law? huh? Is that then moral/immoral?
if u are merely usin legality to determine morality, u are just a pitiful naive fool- a cock sucker for politicians & bureaucrats
@ParasiteFromTheHills He was a pedophile that murdered his followers no different than Jim Jones. "Right To Bear Arms" give me a break. Its always the damn governments fault with some people.
why are americans so trigger happy, a bunch of fucking idiots they are!
mctrimz 2 days ago
His wives?? ... Plural?? xD
dshodaw 1 week ago
A christian? LOL. If he was a true christian, he would look out for the children and the women. Afterall he is supposed to be their "shepherd".
What a liar
democratichypocrit 2 weeks ago
@democratichypocrit " he would look out for the children and women"
i can understand children.. but what the fuck do women have to do with anything.
fuck women , they are adults.
one things for sure , when the SHTF , women will get NO help from me.
if they are in my way , they will be getting shot by me too.
dirksnider 1 week ago
Waco is what happens when people want to be left the fuck alone from the tyranny of being a tax number for the government.
Freedom of where and how you live needs to be your own coice, not some vilent nazi governments.
RIP Waco dwellers, rot in hell FBI
sweetypie000 2 weeks ago
@sweetypie000 Well said man!!
TheSmurf1973 1 day ago
'anyway we'll try to work this out' :(
klacker47 3 weeks ago
@klacker47 yeah, poor bastard the FBI fried the lot of them including that woman and the child
sweetypie000 2 weeks ago
Complete Fruitloop
jimbo271uk 3 weeks ago
This crazy bastard was a real nut, believing he was Jesus, a whacko, but FUCK big brother. Thinking you're Jesus and being crazy isn't a crime. Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a big box store, NOT a federal agency.
RightWingCon81 3 weeks ago
@RightWingCon81 Agreed, believing you are Jesus is not a crime. I have a mate thinks he's David Beckham with a football.
ATF and FBI are pure violent government scum muscle
sweetypie000 2 weeks ago
the truth is david koresh was a pedophile who also impregnated some of the children at the branch davidian retreat. i reckon david koresh knew the consequences of his little secret and decided he would lay down arms and fight and there was no way he was being taken alive.
LIVEREALFOOLED 1 month ago
@LIVEREALFOOLED, Have any proof of Koresh being a pedophile? Never heard of the Government sending the ATF, Chinook helicopters, Tanks, and CS gas killing the same children he supposively raped all in the name of a pedophile. But I guess your version makes more sense.
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
@EastCoastDude99 under no circumstances will ever support the aggression and tactics and ultimately the wrong decisions the ATF made, they got it wrong i wont refute it. but ultimately they was deployed from intelligence, i spy was infiltrated inside waco and once the whistle was blown they deployed. listen if you google david koresh pedophile its all there some of the victims testified in front of congress. it didnt last 50 days by accident with sticks and stones did it?
LIVEREALFOOLED 1 month ago
@LIVEREALFOOLED,the wistle was blown because the Government is threatened by anyone who excercises their Second Amendment Rights especially when you have followers and a large piece of land (which the Government really owns since we pay endless property taxes even after we close a mortgage but thats another issue). The best way to get public opinion on your side is to claim "Innocent children are being raped" then testify to Congress "AFTER" (why not before?) the ATF gased and murdered them.
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
I don't care what Homeland Security or the Southern Law poverty Center claims based on their opinions. Im looking at actual statistics. 911 alone killed 3000 people. Ft. Hood shooter who killed dozens was Muslim. The DC Sniper was Muslim. There would be thousands of more deaths if we didnt stop the Christmas day Hijacker who was Muslim, The Times Square bomber who was Muslim. I can go on. All "recent" examples in the USA. Lets stop this silly debate because theres no comparison.
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
And when you're done struggling through a response by dodging the question, I'll start listing all the Middle East attacks and I wont even include the Palistinian attacks on Isreal just so reality doesn't hit your fantasy world too hard.
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
Again, give me how many "Right wing extremist attacks" you know of in the last year? I know of just ONE in Sweden. I can name you 30 terrorist attacks by Muslims that resulted in over 500 deaths in the last two months alone. Want to list who has more EXAMPLES in our lifetime? Heck, want to list who has more examples in the past week? Difference is, you have Left Wing lies and talking points, I have DAILY examples as I stated in my last post without going back centuries. So go ahead..
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
see christian extremism is just as bad as muslim extremism. Look at the norway massacre that happened a couple months ago, biggest shooting in history made by christian extremist.
coopmuch56 1 month ago
@coopmuch56, When has a "Christian Extremist" ever killed 3000 Innocent people in one day? And the Norway shooter didn't kill "in the name of Jesus" like Muslims do in the name of Allah, he attacked a Left Leaning political camp resort prompted by his own political beliefs. Try reading up a bit. And did the Branch Davidians in WACO terrorize the community? THEY STAYED on their own property. Stop reaching and trying to make a comparison just because you appease with Muslim barbarians
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
@EastCoastDude99 Oh not only did they kill more than 3000 they killed millions! Just look at the crusades,burning of witches, inquisition, abortion clinic bombings, I would say right wing extremism is the biggest terrorism, which is what the norway shooter was. Just ask any jew. Well for one he was building illegal machine guns and when police came to confiscate them he shot them. It was HIS fault that all those people died. He was in a radical cult plain and simple.
coopmuch56 1 month ago
@coopmuch56, why is it when you appeasers try to compare radical Christianity to modern day Muslim terrorism, you need to go back 600 years for an example? lol Crusades? Heck why not throw in the White man killing the Indian's in the new World while you're at it? Dont you have any recent "DAILY" examples like I could give you when it comes to Islamic terrorism? (72 people killed in Iraq suicide Bombings yesturday by a Sunni Muslim), How many died yesturday from Christian terrorists? (Crickets)
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
@EastCoastDude99 christianity is 600 years older than islam, islam is just going through the same stage christianity went through. But not quite as bad as christianity though, they dont burn women a live because they think shes a witch. Right wing extremism kills more people than Islam does. And even that number is fairly small more people die from dog bits or peanuts every year than terrorism.
coopmuch56 1 month ago
@coopmuch56, in fact, I can list more Islamic attacks then you can "Right wing" attacks without even including the Middle East. USS Cole, African embassies in Tanzania, 911, Madrid Train attacks, Russian attacks, Mogadishu chuch attacks in Sudan, English Subway attacks, 11 killed by Muslim seperatists in the Phillipines, another 5 killed by an arson attack in Ethiopa. I can go on without even including the Middle East. (Christmas hijacker, train attacks in India, ect). You?
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
@coopmuch56 (continued), so we can bypass your Left Wing lies by listing FACTUAL examples. I just started and have hundreds to go just in the last decade. So lets see how many "SPECIFIC examples" you have in the last few years. Yes we know you like going back centuries by lets talk modern times ok? When you're done, I'll get to listing the thousands of attacks in the middle east in the last 3 years alone. So lets hear it?
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
@EastCoastDude99 James Wenneker von Brunn, Norway shooter, Jared lougher, Assasination of henry tiller, Dr. David Gunn, Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols,Robert Sanderson,Dr. Barnett Slepian, Emily Lyons, Steven Rogers, Barnett Slepian. the Bologna bombing, I can go on, Im not trying to say islam doesnt have terrorists but statistics prove right wing terrorism causes more death. i.e. Hitler was right wing.As bad as islam can get we cant be islamaphobes.
coopmuch56 1 month ago
@coopmuch56, Now your using Hitler as an example? LOL. Well I guess I'll use Stalin since he was a leftist who killed MORE people then Hitler. Fact, Look it up. Again, nearly 300 people killed in yesturday in terrorist attacks at the hands of Muslims (over 200 of them in Syria). Thats more murders in one day then all the examples you just listed. How many did Right Wingers kill yesturday? You didn't answer. This is a monthly thing so Im not sure what you're even trying to argue here.
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
@coopmuch56, TODAY (christmas 2011), AT LEAST 26 dead in a Nigerian Church bombing during Christmas day services at the hands of Muslims. 200 dead Yesturday in twin bombings in Syria, how many have "Right Wing Terrorists killed in the last two days? Could you answer this time instead of bringing up Hitler? Welcome to reality (I can list these attacks everyday if you want). Waiting for your answer.....
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
@coopmuch56, death toll in Nigeria now at 48, where did ya go?
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
@EastCoastDude99 My bad I meant in the USA alone, right wing terrorism/voilence is more prevelant than islam according to Homeland security and the Southern poverty law center.Like I said all religions have voilence fazes buddism,christianity etc and now islam probably because Islam is a lot younger. Christianity committed way worse atrocities though so dont try saying its all good when all religion has manipulated people into doing things in the name of "god".
coopmuch56 1 month ago
@coopmuch56, sorry to bother you again with facts. "Twin Bombings in Syria" just one hour ago just killed 200 people. Looks like you have yet another murderous act by Muslims to defend. Wonder how many people died from "Right wing" attacks today? lol. Merry Christmas.
EastCoastDude99 1 month ago
You people are fucking stupid. The problem with the internet is that EVERYONE can voice their opinions. There should be a literacy test before any moron can be allowed onto the internet.
razedeezy 1 month ago
I'm not going to participate in debate on whether the holocaust happened because there was never any debate to be had. Your a fucking retard for believing this. However, your "to cowardly to admit it" WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT! It's not something to be ashamed of you bigoted racist and your completely full of shit anyway. I'm through with you, crazy.
steelstan39 1 month ago
@steelstan39
Holocaust is 100% Communist Jew war propaganda that only weak minded dupes fall for. Absolutely ZERO physical evidence for the claims of these nasty lying Communist Jews.
parasitesarefunny 1 month ago
@parasitesarefunny ok. all you crazies out there: stop sending me messages. im not going to elevate your position by debating it. Thats why geologists don't debate with flat earthers or evolutionary biologists with creationists. Just enjoy your little delusons in private please.
steelstan39 1 month ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHHAHAAAA "I'm sorry some of you guys got shoot"
johnholmes313 1 month ago
Our government is scum.
LRASS2009 1 month ago
David koresh was just as crazy as Marshall applewhite! Only difference is that Applewhite drunk poison when David play with fire!!!
gypshasballs22 1 month ago
Umm, no: the Religion of the State is not nearly as powerful as it used to be. Your claim that many European countries want to ban free speech is technically right, but calling it free speech is straw manning what they are trying to achieve. If you read in any sort of depth on the subject this becomes clear (i still don't agree with it). That holocaust law, while absurd, is just another one of those crazy laws that still exist, but are not enforced to any sort of statistically significant length
steelstan39 2 months ago
@steelstan39 Liar. The anti-free speech law for the holohoax is a loaded gun and is used frequently. Are you Jewish might I ask?
Siva3Enthroned 1 month ago
@Siva3Enthroned No i'm not Jewish and wait one moment: are you a holocaust denier?!
steelstan39 1 month ago
@steelstan39 If I had a dollar for every Jew on here who was too cowardly to admit it, and wanted to gain credibility by pretending to be one of the Goyim the Jews depise so much... "Not one scientific study has ever provided any scientific evidence of the holocaust, what we know about the holocaust we know from testimony." - Ernst Zundel's trial. (your side of the fence said that, not mine.)
Siva3Enthroned 1 month ago
David Koresh died an America hero. A martre even. I see secular groups doing much worse today and no one bothers them at all. So why the Davidians?
MrBogusSmogus 2 months ago
@MrBogusSmogus The "American hero" and "martre" liked to fuck 13 year old girls.
cynthiacher 1 month ago
@MrBogusSmogus Which secular groups are doing "much worse today" than the Davidians?
icemachine79 1 month ago
@icemachine79 Your government?
Siva3Enthroned 1 month ago
Every single American has the same RIGHT to defend themselves I don't care if you're a crook or a cop or a soldier- point a gun at me and you had better be prepared to use it! Nowhere in US law does it say you must comply when a thug uses the threat of death to extort you into submission, even if the thug happens to work for the state.
AgentSpikeLongskin 2 months ago
ah yes ,David Koresh, buggerer of many underage girls and delusional narcissist, seen here preaching the complete unbiased truth. As for these colorful commenters ranging from hilariously paranoid (guess what guys, you're kind of right: the government doesn't give enough of a shit about you to care about controlling you) and white supremacists/antisemites (all i can do is laugh at you, really {a WASP myself}) you make life so interesting with your misguided aggression
SgtDonuts 2 months ago
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i dont give a fuck about him or his fucking brain washed children all you faggots can join this piece of shit in hell
whitekoolaid92 2 months ago
WHAT A FUCKEN MORON .
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pman1ify 2 months ago
I see we have some anarchists in our midst lol
steelstan39 2 months ago
@steelstan39 - It's true that the government doesn't give a shit about the people. For the most part it's an institution to protect the interests of the wealthy and powerful. But David Koresh didn't give a shit about the people either. He was a narcissistic child molester who wanted to establish a theocracy, like most cult leaders. He convinced people to put their lives on the line for him when his swindle went sour.
A86 2 months ago
@A86 The government? I think what you mean to say is this government. Here the average difference in salary between the ceo and his general employees is over 500/1. In western europe it veries between 20-100/1. We don't need to abolish government, indeed we can't: the world would crumble. We need to "catch up" to western europe in just about everything, then we need to do it even better. Then, after about a hundred years without religion, we can take the steps to create a global government.
steelstan39 2 months ago
@steelstan39 - I do agree with you there. Governments can be organized a lot better than the US government currently is. Still, even with the social democracies of Western and Central Europe the government still does ultimately exist to protect the status quo and protect the wealthy. Western Europe still has laws enforcing significant inequality and laws made to specifically protect the wealthy. Maybe just not so overtly like in the US. Now those gov's are trying to copy American corporatism.
A86 2 months ago
@A86 Yes, of course when the rich get their hands on power they will tend to abuse it. But, I would say they are far from trying to copy us. They are a progressive society. They are getting better. If you look at the statistics on social issues (oppression), economic, etc. and put them in chronological order, it's clear that as a whole Europe is getting better in all these areas. America it seems is close to following in suit: more people are less republican and the republicans are going insane.
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LordMalice6d9 2 months ago
@steelstan39 Europe may not be plagued by the shackles of irrational superstitious faith as it once was, but the Religion of the State is just as powerful and as violent as ever. Many European countries want to ban free speech and denying the holocaust is a punishable crime in Germany. Why? Since when was having an opinion a crime worthy of imprisonment? And you say Europe is a "free" society? People fail to realize that Statism in the 20th century killed more people than any war ever did!
LordMalice6d9 2 months ago
@LordMalice6d9 Read lower comment first. I'm not sure why you followed "And you say..." with "People fail to..." I don't see the apparently implied connection there. I'm guessing your using proper logic, but what i would claim is a false premise, as that seems to be the trend. As to whether Statism actually is guilty of such a crime: you have to stretch the blaim of Statism for a large number of deaths by a lot to arrive at this conclusion. (I don't support Statism either.)
steelstan39 1 month ago
David Arvedon mental case, lunatic, maniac, menace to the world.
tossagoultar 2 months ago
David Koresh is actually David Koresh Arvedon, the lead vocalist of David Arvedon and The Psychopaths. He escaped the fire in Waco and ran away to Boston.
tossagoultar 2 months ago
Cult.
cochranexyz 3 months ago
@cochranexyz Do you know how many cults there are in America? Seriously, it's not that uncommon.
4104jake 2 months ago
@4104jake There are lots of cults in America, yes.
cochranexyz 2 months ago
ATF, FBI, CIA, = CLUSTER FUCK...... So they killed everyone they could,,, And the United States tells other countries how they should run their country....
masterplumberjimmy 3 months ago
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111333364427 3 months ago
Why are people supporting a whackjob cult leader? Typical retarded troglodytes that need to get out in the real world instead of being sheltered with mommy forever.
XmXFLUXmX2 3 months ago
@XmXFLUXmX2 your a retarded sheep and i hope you are cannibalized
HailEris2332 3 months ago 4
@HailEris2332 You're a typical leftist idiot who sympathizes with child molesting killer cult leaders, but you hate law enforcement officers. Grow up, degenerate freak.
XmXFLUXmX2 3 months ago
@XmXFLUXmX2
So you figure that the FBI protected children from these, so called ,child molesters by burning the children to death
Veedon7 2 months ago 14
@Veedon7 You can't blame the FBI for cultists shooting at them. The FBI tried to reach a peaceful solution but David decided to tell his followers to kill the officers.
XmXFLUXmX2 2 months ago
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@XmXFLUXmX2 "The FBI tried to reach a peaceful solution but David decided to tell his followers to kill the officers." This is Faux/CNN "news" bull shizer!
Reportedly, this group had been documenting the drug flights of a rather well protected US DRUG dealer that had a private air strip nearby; this is why they BULL DOZED/DUG the area afterwords and had a "wet team" INSIDE.
They had no chance having documented FEDERAL DRUG DEALERS!
UnoRaza 2 months ago
I never said anything bad about Australia and I'm fully aware of how fucked up my country is. You made a statement that had been fed to you. What grounds do you have to call the Branch Davidians a cult? I'll bet you are an atheist, huh?
timdprojesusfreak33 3 months ago
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@timdprojesusfreak33 im a christian and koreshs camp was a cult. u could tell cause he thought he was all that and had to talk with a loud, controlling voice. i hate these gullible people who always blame the govt. probably same ones who thought 9/11 was an inside job lol
ericwaffle31 3 months ago
@timdprojesusfreak33 I'm an atheist, and I wouldn't call them a cult without looking into it, or having evidence to go off of. So that last part of your comment makes me think. Do you assume all atheist would look at them as a cult, because you might think all atheist look at religious people that way or something? Not saying you were thinking that but it just got me thinking.
putthisonmytab 3 months ago
@putthisonmytab You are spot on. Every atheist I know thinks anyone w/ zeal for the Lord is a fanatic. The people who truly should have you worried are those who claim to be religious but you never see them sharing their faith.
timdprojesusfreak33 3 months ago
@timdprojesusfreak33 I don't think all religous people as being in a cult nor do I think all churches display cult like behavor. My family goes to church, i'm an Atheist, so I don't. Though i'm sure there are plenty of Atheist out there that think like that. I really don't know who or what Zeal for the lord is. At the same time I wouldn't go calling them a cult unless I looked into it, and they really seemed like a fucking cult. lol Anyways southpark brought me here XD
putthisonmytab 3 months ago
@timdprojesusfreak33 im an atheist and i back up the branch davidians and it stings me to the pit of my stomach researching about that tragedy, fuck the us gov
maynardyorke 2 months ago
Swag.
HybridD91 3 months ago
the guy was just problably trying to get away from the NWO senario and live his life freely,but the ATF had to come in and start shooting everybody for no reason,,,and then the media came in and spinned the story around like he was the vilan,,,when are people r going to wake up.
MTLSPARTAN 3 months ago
Should have just left them alone.
bweazel 3 months ago
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You Militia and Patriots you should have attacked after Waco. You had your chance. You missed your opportunity, because everyone hated the government. They saw how they murdered those women and children. You could have attacked Capitol Hill when they were voting on giving Israel more aid. You let them murder those children for nothing and now you let them pull off 9/11. What are you waiting for? If it's martial law you are screwing up. Your country will be full blown Communism in a year.
amerikaiscommunist 3 months ago
@gman586 Are you referring to his Polish cousin?
billyf777 3 months ago
Some of you really need to stop listening to Alex Jones and people like him. How people can be so gullible to fall for his crap is beyond me. The guy is making money off of your fear and paranoia. David Koresh was a sicko and a danger to society. He had no need for all the arms he purchased, it is illegal to stockpile weapons. You cannot buy a shitload of guns and expect it to not get noticed.
815Sox 3 months ago
@815Sox Koresh may have been a little nuts, but he would have had to be truly insane and heartless to purposefully burn down the ranch with so many children inside (other Davidians said he had not planned a fire). One reason that he had stockpiled so many weapons is because they were waiting for "the end of the world" and felt like they would need them if there was hysteria. Crazy, yes, but they should have just arrested Koresh. Instead, this is what happened. There is ample blame on both sides.
millers3888 3 months ago
Gotta love all these people defending a pedophile and calling others sheep. The guy was holding people hostage, armed to the teeth and was showing signs of a quickly worsening situation. Some people are so conditioned to believe that any and every single action a government takes is "wrong".
Koresh was no different from any other doomsday cult leader. He was giving chance after chance to free his hostages and he didn't. I do not grieve for him, only those he brainwashed.
815Sox 3 months ago
@815Sox just another gutless yank turd =(koresh),and all these fuckwits,blaming atf,etc are the biggest FUCKHEADS of all,and should all be shot to death,and mutilated.
nightsniper45 3 months ago
@nightsniper45 There was no reason to invade this property .... Then to lie to him and say "we'll leave" they said that because they knew they were wrong to begin with... And you are a moron....
mywotzone 3 months ago
@mywotzone hes a pedophile,much like yourself,scumbag!
nightsniper45 3 months ago
@nightsniper45 He was a pedophile which his religious doesn't state its a crime fool...
mywotzone 3 months ago
@mywotzone damn religious fanatics........lolz
nightsniper45 3 months ago
@nightsniper45 By the way there is no evidence that he was a pedophile... Besides the news saying it...
The CIA wanted to give the people a reason to kill him and the dividians , The dividians had broke into the CIA database and knew the CIA was smuggling cocaine , drugs , and weapons and laundering money..
The same way the CIA wanted John Kennedy dead...
mywotzone 3 months ago
All of you are sick in the head to defend Koresh or try to justify his actions. Hate the U.S. government or not, you should realize Koresh was mentally ill. I'm sick of everyone's dumbass teenage 'everyone is victimized' bullshit. It's pathetic.
SESdisciple 4 months ago
@SESdisciple why didnt they just take him off the streets on his "planned everyday morning runs", like they couldve done and not make it about everybody else in the compound, mentally ill or not, they could've avoided a big shootout. i just want a normal argumentative, calm way of a conversation.
SKat036 4 months ago
@SKat036 I see what you're saying, but there's people out there that actually believe Koresh himself was innocent. Despite those innocent people in the compound, being under the leadership Koresh exposed them to the authoroties going overboard and shooting up the place (mind you, that is not their fault for the authoroties getting out of line.) Bottom line, Koresh was a sick man.
SESdisciple 4 months ago
@Eliyahu775 first of all, the SDA church is not a sect, it is a christian church. second, Koresh ceased to be adventist when he LEFT the church and formed his own "compound". whatever that entailed is anyones guess.
third i agree with you...the US, even with all our problems right now, is THE UNDISPUTED sole Super Power on the face of the earth and will be the muscle behind the enforcement of the mark of the beast.
rusda2 4 months ago
@gariadara thats true. Koresh is constantly & WRONGLY assumed to be SDA. He LEFT the church to form his "compound". His beliefs were his own and that is one reason he LEFT the SDA church. He ceased to be SDA when he left the church.
rusda2 4 months ago
@redcommander27 LOL! why dont u ignorant people LEARN a little about the subject u are spouting off about before u open mouth & insert foot? XD
He LEFT the Adventist church to form whatever he formed at his "compound". Koresh did not represent the Adventist church. His beliefs were his own, thats why he LEFT the church.
on the subject of hell, u are also wrong. SDA's do indeed believe in hell. like the bible says PUNISHMENT in the fire, then DEATH, NOT eternal life in hell as u believe.
rusda2 4 months ago
@rusda2 I never said that Koresh's actions reflected 7th Day Adventism or that he was part of the mainstream adventist church, he was a fringe extremist who's sect, the Branch Davidians, splintered off from SDA and thus held much of their beliefs. All I was saying was that someone who holds SDA beliefs would not belive in Hell, which is a place of eternal punishment rejected by SDA doctrine. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I wasn't trashing SDA just explaining what Koresh believed.
redcommander27 4 months ago
@redcommander27 Hi, no problem, i wasnt attacking you just clarifiying some things.
Also, we will have to agree to disagree on the hell issue. the bible is very clear that the wages of sin is DEATH. if a person suffers eternally in hell they arent really dead are they? :) nope, they are ALIVE eternally in hell. the popular teaching of eternal hell is a doctrine brought into christianity by the roman catholic church from paganism. bible says satan & the wicked burn to ashes.
rusda2 4 months ago
And that no man would be a false prophet and do stupid crazy shit, save that he knew the Mark, or the name of the Bomb. Here is wisdom of the "apocalypse". Let him that has understanding count the number of the Mother:
'G B U 4 3'
(from the Extra Spicy Chicken version of the Air Force Apocalyptic Field Manual)
Agent1W 4 months ago
Koresch-went-to-town-everyday-and-evenjogged-around-the-property.Everyone-knew-this.If-they-just-wanted-Koresch.My-guess-they-wanted-to-murder-the-people-just-like-they-did.If-Koresch-went-to-town-everyday-and-jogged-outside-the-perimeters-of-the-property-then-this-whole-thing-was-a-lie.The-militia-should-have-attacked-the-government-when-they
did-that.They-missed-their-chance,because-everyone-hated-the-government-at-that-time.They-blew-it-and-will-never-get-a-chance-now
tubeyou9878 4 months ago
Why do people think this guy is a hero? He was a cult leader; brainwashing people and taking advantage of them.
lovebug11768 4 months ago
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RileyMyers187 4 months ago
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@lovebug11768 Why do you think your politicians are heros? There cult leaders; brainwashing people and taking of advantage of them.
RileyMyers187 4 months ago
@lovebug11768 So that justifies the ATF murdering the people inside the compound? I think the dude's a nut too, as well as the retards who followed him. Shit, I can't stand fundamentalist Christians either (who are probably more insane and dangerous than the Branch Davidians, when ya think about it) but that doesn't mean I wanna roll up on them with a tank.
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LevSix 4 months ago
Exactly. I would never defend Koresh, he was a piece of garbage. However, he left the Branch Davidians and had his own kook sect that lived on the compound.
LevSix 4 months ago
@lovebug11768 he's not a hero but they were American citizens wrongfully murdered by our Jew controlled US government for simply being different. They broke no law and if they wanted to take Koresh peacefully into custody they could've done so anytime when he went shopping for supplies which was quite regularly. The Jew controlled government wanted this standoff and all these deaths to try and send a message to white America that resistance is futile. It simply ended up backfiring on them.
JenkemAfricanMidget 4 months ago
@JenkemAfricanMidget
"American citizens wrongfully murdered by our Jew controlled US government"
Oh i can just tell from that if people like you formed a government it would never do that would it.
H4rryF 4 months ago 2
@H4rryF you're right it wouldn't, you must have good sense despite residing in the homosexual filled degenerate land of the UK where niggers burn down your cities stab your women to death and rape them while most of the metrosexual and homosexual male populace argues tirelessly about how hitler did this or that meanwhile groids and muslims are burning your homes down. Rule Britannia dudes!
JenkemAfricanMidget 4 months ago
@JenkemAfricanMidget
"argues tirelessly about how hitler did this or that"
Yeah we have this effeminate gay desire to stop something like that happening again. It's only a matter of life or death. Mostly death in his case. Sieg Heil ,dude
H4rryF 4 months ago
@H4rryF something like what? Holohoax was a propaganda lie of the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg. Red Cross Jew death totals debunk it as well. Not to mention there was never any document recovered from the extensive German archive of Adolf Hitler ever ordering such a thing. The Final Solution was a physical expulsion of Jews to other countries not an instituted genocide you typical british beta male weakling. Well anywho have fun with niggers and muzzies raping your mothers and girlfriends. Go Britain!
JenkemAfricanMidget 4 months ago
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@H4rryF something like what? Holohoax was a propaganda lie of the Jew Ilya Ehrenburg. Red Cross Jew death totals debunk it as well. Not to mention there was never any document recovered from the extensive German archive of Adolf Hitler ever ordering such a thing. The Final Solution was a physical expulsion of Jews to other countries not an instituted genocide you typical british beta male weakling. Well anywho have fun with niggers and muzzies raping your mothers and girlfriends. Go Britain!
JenkemAfricanMidget 4 months ago
@lovebug11768 he didn't brainwash anybody, the suriving dividians showed no symtoms or signs of being controlled. Compared to Mr. Manson and Mr. Jones, its obvious Koresh did not show signs of being a cult leader in need of power.
Its clear that the media was painting Koresh as a evil cult leader/child molester for the public.
1shoryuken 4 months ago 21
I live in Waco and i have personally met people who attended church there.
..most of them would disagree with you
drsta84 3 months ago
@1shoryuken Making people bring their families to a hidden compound with weapons and preach to them and tell them that what he is saying is the absolute truth and that if people try to come to stop what he is doing they must fight them off, that DID happen, the child molesting stuff, the meth stuff may not have, but that stuff DID happen, do you not see that as insane, do you not think he was a cult leader? If not then maybe you're brainwashed.
PrivateJoker17 3 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 No one was forced to do anything. Get all the facts, watch the documentaries, see the man who was shot trying to go in to be with his family. Any way you slice it, our government is a ruthless gang.
timdprojesusfreak33 3 months ago
@timdprojesusfreak33 I don't disagree with you in regards to the American government, but David Koresh was a cult leader and an absolute cunt. What the government and the ATF did to him/the people who were in that compound was insane, but I cannot see how you can deny him being a cult leader.
PrivateJoker17 3 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 Cult? D'ya mean in the - loosely slung around by the govt. and it's media - sense of the word? Like the word terrorist. What, soon, you and I will be for having this conversation. Some say the Mormons are a cult. Should our government go occupy Utah? By the way, what proof do you have? I've searched the internet and I can't find it.
timdprojesusfreak33 3 months ago
@timdprojesusfreak33 First, I'm not an American, I'm an Australian, so it's not my governement, but Koresh was held up in a compound, calling himself a prophet, teaching people what he claimed is the absolute truth, they had a lot of weapons in this compound and were prepared to fight off any authorities that came near their compound, that is classic cult behaviour. I don't even see how this is a subject of argument.
PrivateJoker17 3 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 that all might be true, it might not, no one really knows. but the atf agents who died deserved to die.
Grunt922 3 months ago
@Grunt922 Wouldn't say they deserved to die, they were wrong in what they were doing, but I don't agree that they deserved to die.
PrivateJoker17 3 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 Australian? Man, WTF? That explains that. I'll waste no more time here.
timdprojesusfreak33 3 months ago
@timdprojesusfreak33 Wow, okay, now I know you're just an ignorant dick, I thought I was having a discussion with an intelligent person, should have seen the signs from your initial comments. Fuck you, you idiotic, narrow minded prick.
PrivateJoker17 3 months ago
@PrivateJoker17 Oh here we go, another internet tough guy. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Speak that is. Only when you know what the funk you're talking about. Now go watch the news and hang on every word. Moron.
timdprojesusfreak33 3 months ago
@timdprojesusfreak33 You just completely insulted me for being from Australia and I don't see why, Australia is one of the most advanced western countries in the world, we have a great education system, our happiness level is quite high and we do very well economically, our country is also full of intelligent people, unlike the US, which is a backwards, ignorant, war mongering religious extremist country, so how dare you insult ME. THAT is why I called you narrow minded, THAT is why I got angry.
PrivateJoker17 3 months ago
@1shoryuken he was a child molester cause he wanted to marry a 14 yr old girl. cant blame media all the tyme
ericwaffle31 3 months ago
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@1shoryuken "The high office of the President has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American's freedom and before I leave office, I must inform the citizen of this plight."
~JFK
uriahheep108 2 months ago
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@1shoryuken Great holistic bands are-Gong, Melting Euphoria, Ozric Tentacles, Sphongle, System 7, Eat Static, Aphrodities Child, Jade Warrior, Magma, Steve Tibbetts, Larry Coryell, Oregon, Shakti, Patrick Bernard, Lost at Last, Kazumi Watanabe, Stomu Yamashta, Magical Power Mako, Toninho Horta.
uriahheep108 2 months ago
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@1shoryuken Alexandre Dumas pere wrote over 400 historical novels exposing world tyranny(Roman Catholic Empire). He was born near Paris in 1802 and 'coincidentally' in 1902 the Society of Jesus(Jesuits) were expelled from France for the 3rd and last time. The Society of Jesus(Jesuits) have been expelled from 83 countries, city states and cities and their pope is ARAMIS AND HE IS ALSO KNOWN AS THE COUNT OF MONTE CHRISTO(GENERAL OF THE JESUITS).
uriahheep108 2 months ago
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@1shoryuken Michael Tsarion is the worlds premier conspiracy researcher/lecturer/author. Leo Zagami, Jordan Maxwell and Alexandre Dumas pere are highly informative as well. p.s. Melting Euphoria is similar to Ozric Tentacles and Gong.
uriahheep108 2 months ago
@1shoryuken of curse he was like a jesuscrist a big liar like you
nenak1998 2 months ago
i actually live in waco, and yall dont know shit what happened
izwatchingvideos 4 months ago
The U.S. military do such crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan and Palestine every day. Full families exterminated in seconds.!
r3sh1 4 months ago
Just like a liberal Democrat President......theyll kill Christian children with ease but when it comes to sniping out Osama Bin Ladin in the Sudan, Clinton calls off a CIA hit because several Muslim children were "near by" at the time. Odd.
EastCoastDude99 4 months ago
wipe these crazy fools out
sheetsmash 4 months ago
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@sheetsmash
He did nothing wrong.
chewbaca1989 4 months ago
David Koresh was an insane, manipulative asswipe. The ATF just weeded out those ballbag Davidians with some American Justice!
imtormentor 4 months ago
@imtormentor
Koresh and his church was as manipulative as anyother church. So what then? Weed out the other churches and cults? Your crazy this was not American justice. It was a crime what those ATF agents and the Justice Department did and none can raise their heads with pride. They killed babies in a cellar pumping the room full of gas. That's justice? Your crazy. Watch the documentary Waco rules of engagement on youtube and you'll be so ashamed of yourself for blabbing like a fool.
chewbaca1989 4 months ago
Our government is pure evil. The process of it becoming so really began when JFK was assassinated. up until then the government and the country were slowly becoming better and better. After the murder of JFK by the military industrialists, it was all downhill from there. Like all evil empires in history, the US government will fall and the empire will be destroyed. It is already happening and I will rejoice the day this government falls completely for only then can we build something better.
heartfire451 4 months ago
Crazy cult pigs.
TheDoctorDonna103849 5 months ago
You should watch Children of Waco. You sir, are very distorted. Don't just watch that documentary, but get information from all sides, instead of just conspiracy capitalists like Alex Jones. I swear, people will go on and on about how they were just these great innocent people, attacked by our government for trying to be good christian patriots. That is simply bullshit of the highest order. He armed up, because he commited to the lifestyle he created. He was going to die, not go to prison.
turkeydogification 5 months ago
Two different factions doing things wrong collided that day. Even if the ATF stayed out of it and let them live their lives, this man would still be molesting and banging little girls and keeping all the women to himself. They were far from Christians when the ATF got there. He had a cult going, which meant that the situation should have been handled with extra care. How you can label these nut bags Christians. The ATF is allowed to go after gun trafficking, but they got a bogus drug warrant.
turkeydogification 5 months ago
@ParasiteFromTheHills You tell me what kind of Christian Molests a 10 year old girl and separates Husbands from Wives who have children. The ATF did many things that were completely wrong. At the same time Koresh is using doublespeak. This man is no patriot, the man was molesting children and brainwashing families to support his nonsense. In classic style arming him and his followers as any pedophile would to protect his little alternate universe, so he could keep having sex with children.
turkeydogification 5 months ago
@turkeydogification TELLME guajolote pendejo if is true what u said, why? if the people was armed inside the compund (according with the atf n media ),why they dont kill him if he was so vicius with the ladies n kids there?SEE U R SO STUPID that belive any thing you read or hear koresh was a free redneck is why u slavist goverment went after him. u turkey stupid u r living on a waco compund now ;but its no controled by koresh is controled by u goverment a goverment that punish u ass as it please
traslomita 5 months ago
@traslomita Your not even making any sense.. You look even more stupid then the person your trying to call stupid. Dont you people ever realise this? Just take a second to copy and paste your fucking words into Microsoft Word and spell check it if your this fucking retarded. Seriously can i get some thumbs up on this one i mean come on!
troubledseed 4 months ago
@ParasiteFromTheHills im taking it you dont know the whole story?
TheNodstar10 5 months ago
a company is a kind of cult
stiggyh 5 months ago
this is a free country u have the right to live the way u want to live no matter who does or doesnt like it david koresh never did anything wrong accept stock pile arms they couldve toook him the day before while he was grocery shopping but they didnt and the atf new that the dividians new about there plan and they went on with it anyways the way i see it is if u drive a tank through my front door yea im goin to shoot thets just the way it is that whole thing couldve been avoided
SuperTdub2 5 months ago
@SuperTdub2 Do your research. He was sexually abusing young girls, and brainwashing people into thinking he was Messiah. That you don't think this is wrong says a lot about you!
IwshIcldstrtover 5 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover
those were allegations
FuckNorm 5 months ago
@IwshIcldstrtover ; "But FBI Director William Sessions publicly denied the charge and told reporters that they had no such information about child abuse inside the Mount Carmel. [17] A careful examination of the other child abuse charges found the evidence to be weak and ambiguous, casting doubt on the allegations. [18]"
deskducker 5 months ago
@deskducker Why don't you go watch Children of Waco and hear it out of the victims mouths themselves. Some people have managed to leave the compound throughout the years before the raid. It is not a cover up story by the government to gain public favor of their debacle, David Koresh is just another crazy cult leader type, who managed to brainwash a bunch of morons who paid for it later. He armed them as any good child molesting cult leader would. He took away wives, he was that persuasive.
turkeydogification 5 months ago
@deskducker Okay, well survivors have confirmed that not only did he beat children and babies with a paddle but they were made to do so as well. I am going to have to go with the first hand information from the victims of this vile brain washing dope. Ever seen Children of Waco?
turkeydogification 5 months ago
@SuperTdub2 Yeah and attempted to have sex with a 10 year old girl and it didn't work, gave up trying to get it in. However, he still finished on her anyway. Watch Children of Waco, and get real please. It's obvious the ATF fucked this one up, but really, this guy was crazy and preparing for war, aka protecting himself once he started uking all the kids and took every ones wife away from their husband for himself for his own. He built an army of people who would protect him and armed them.
turkeydogification 5 months ago
@ParasiteFromTheHills not saying they deserved it but if he was really about god or he was really who claimed himself to be all of this wouldn't have happened. Its not like he was being oppressed they suspected him of having offspring with 13 year old girls and abusing kids. Also it wasn't like the feds were prosecuting him for his beliefs and what he was preaching. they were trynna find evidence that this man was molesting children. You're asking for a death wish to shoot at feds nuff said.
djteq9 5 months ago
@ParasiteFromTheHills They are NOT Christians. They do not preach or follow any of Gods words. By law if there is a search warrant issued you have to let them search the place. If there wasn't anything illegal or bad going on its not a big deal. I've let cops search my car before. Nothing happened no shootouts or nothing. No cops dead. No civilians killed. This shit is just crazy. If they didn't want to be governed they could have settled somewhere in Antartica where its not governed by anyone.
djteq9 5 months ago
@swu880 Law is the law man, you don't get to pick and choose which law to follow. You could use that moronic argument to justify selling crack.
blimy007 5 months ago
@blimy007
look. Do you not understand liberty & the concept of self ownership? I would first suggest u to read up on the works of Bastiat, Rothbard and Hoppe. They explain the nature of liberty, property & the true viles of the "state".
swu880 5 months ago
@blimy007
Hey i should also remind you that Forced Slavery was legal and still is in some sense legal. Does it make it moral? If i pass a law prohibitin u from mowin ur lawn on sundays, is that moral? Legality is WHOLLY arbitrary! But liberty & self ownership is non-arbitrary. In fact, liberty & self ownership are the only principles by which morality can exist in. There is no such thing as "Good government"- never was, never is, never will be. Its a contradiction of terms. See Hoppe's works
swu880 5 months ago
@swu880 This is the modern age man, should I bring up the Magna Carta for a counter arguement? lol people like you are hopeless... legality is aribrary... tell it to the judge when they haul you away.
So If I think fucking 13 year olds is moral I can do it then? Thats your arguement?
blimy007 5 months ago
@blimy007
lol- please do read the works of Hoppe, Rothbard and Bastiat. There is no such thing as good government. And laws are not the same as morality- the two are very far separate.
swu880 5 months ago
@swu880
I told u. The essence of morality lies in the concept of self ownership. And from self ownership, all "sub" rights may be derived. It is self ownership & voluntarism which persists morality. Morality aint some bullshit law that is written with pen & paper by some jackass in a suit & tie
Murder aint wrong cuz the law says so- murder is wrong cuz it violates the fundamental sanctum of self ownership & its extension- voluntarism
swu880 5 months ago
@swu880
like i said. The law is ARBITRARY!
do look up the word ARBITRARY
sorry to spill the beans, but statism is dead. So stop suckin the cocks of bureaucrats & politicians
swu880 5 months ago
@swu880
Might i also remind u, theft has been legal, plunderin has been legal, and both of them continue to be legal- but i then ask, are theft & plundering MORAL?
Anything outside of self ownership is immoral - regardless of whatever some piece of paper or jackass in a suit & tie says
swu880 5 months ago
@swu880
blimy, ANYTHING can be a STATE law. murder, rape, incest, theft, plundering, slavery, anything that has violated the notion of self-ownership has and still remains in some form a "law"
What can't become law? huh? Is that then moral/immoral?
if u are merely usin legality to determine morality, u are just a pitiful naive fool- a cock sucker for politicians & bureaucrats
swu880 5 months ago
@ParasiteFromTheHills He was a pedophile that murdered his followers no different than Jim Jones. "Right To Bear Arms" give me a break. Its always the damn governments fault with some people.
815Sox 5 months ago