Courts Rule AA is Religious and Unconstitutional

[ndrthrdr1]

If you're not religious, SMARTRecovery (it's dotorg) and SOS are far better choices.

If Bill W's Higher Power worked, why did he die of his addiction to cigarettes?

[ufozmankato]

@ndrthrdr1 Of course Bill's god didnt have time for cigs.....he was too busy setting up this hairbrained scheme, and he's onto other things now....

[gabstar60]

I agree that it is a religion and is pretty easy to spot that. This rubbishes there whole philosophy because they claim honesty is the key to overcome alcoholism. However, spiritual is different than religion, for me a spiritual act could be something as simple as giving someone a smile or helping a stranger that has tripped over. (and not seeking praise after) Spirituality has no guide lines, discipline's, rules or 'suggestions', like a religion. Its just revealing the caring, human side.

[fletchlivves]

i don't trust any organization that isn't open to the media....so we in fact CAN'T check their effectiveness.....but i would assume it's pretty low...since the minute you step in their you're forced and not just given a supportive crowd...if the media wants to come up and interview me about addiction...go ahead...i don't see what they're so afraid of....any person i've known to have success in AA is ready and willing to talk and talk and talk and talk...usually out their ass

[msmoosepie4453]

known sucsess in A.A. is the reason for court mandated meetings A.A. doesnt endorse or appose. its the judge who made that decision. the only requirement for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking. and crashing cars DUI S public drunk ETC ETC

[acquiescere9]

Right on. NA and AA are State Religions

[notspeedy0314]

interesting sidebar. a PA AA group actually claimed they were a religious group in order to comply with local zoning regulations (Washington Post, 'On Faith' 5/20).

the apellate court disagreed, finding them not religious -- exactly as AA defines itself in the BB & pre-amble.

in the face of local zoning laws, 'rigorous honesty' & 'principles' go out the window for at least one AA group.

AA=cake+eating it, too.

[magesveer]

Non sequitur, but thanks for pointing out that the court made the correct decision.

We claim spiritual progress rather than spiritual perfection...

Three fingers speedy; Keys to the kingdom.

[godlessweasel]

Ah, there's the sad git with nothing better to do than comment on posts made months ago!

[magesveer]

What is a "git"?

[godlessweasel]

Git is a term of endearment for a 12 stepper :)

[magesveer]

never heard it before....

[godlessweasel]

Joking Mags. It just means pest. We're in Britain so slightly foreign language :)

[notspeedy0314]

mage - one finger (the middle one) pointed upward, three fingers curled under, the opposable thumb holding down the three fingers curled under.

generally pointed in your direction.

resentment is my middle name.

[magesveer]

Sounds like you are making "spiritual progress" speedy ole boy.

[notspeedy0314]

mage - as they say in schoolyards (at least here in the US), "i'm a rubberband & you're glue. anything you say bounces off me & sticks to you."

if your idea of 'spirituality' encompasses engaging in personal sniping contests here on YT (e.g., this thread), i'm quite at peace with where i'm at ... in an epistemological sense.

now, go do some 'service' or something & leave the big kids alone to our 'angry', 'non-spiritual' discourse.

[magesveer]

Sniping? Who me?

Think you're a "big kid" speedy? You've got a lot to learn boy!

Actually I credit conversation with you AS service work; helping another suffering alcoholic ya know, all I can do is carry the message.

Speedy you really have to stop the intellectualization, you are hiding behind it! Come on out and show your face man~!

[notspeedy0314]

mage - sorry to fall back on my penchant for intellectualization, but seriously ... go fuck yourself.

find my face at donewithaa[dot]wordpress[dot}c­om.

and go fuck yourself again.

[magesveer]

That's more like it, the real speedy!

[notspeedy0314]

mage -- more from the 'real speedy':

go drink, end up in a hospital then in jail then dead (hopefully a prolonged & painful one).

but, really, i love you. like all the other sick & suffering types.

serenity, humility, & all the rest,

speedy

[justanotherface123]

Again more adhom because that is all you have, you never once refuted a damn thing he posted so I think you are just whipping a tantrum

Nice spiritual principle.

He blocked you for the same reason I did - You are a self righteous Self important bitch Between you are agecooper neither of you would know the truth is it beat you in your wet brains.

Spamming cunt

[justanotherface123]

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[sherwoode7]

NO one who gets a DUI should be forced to attend AA.They have to attend an alcohol education program and pay fines.

[Christopher711]

yeah , spiritual and religious are flip sides of the same coin. You can't really have one without the other.

[justanotherface123]

Absolutely - That however will not stop them from defending the position.