I want to see outrage and backlash over the Obamagate Cover-up! Forgery, SS fraud, obstructing justice, contempt of court, election fraud and bribery are part of the laundry list of illegal or impeachable acts of this regime. In Watergate, the cover-up was the worst part of the deal, so there's something wrong with the political picture in Club USA. We now have a dictator!
My comment is that your dead on. This is begining to become a really familiar pattern. Obama seems to be trying to take back fundamental tennants that got him elected. This secrecy is the first part, Ella you need to check out what was on Crooks and Liars today. Apparantly Obama is now reconsidering the release of the Guantanamo Bay prisonsers and is considering holding them indefinitely. People need to pass the word now. End this insanity and do what we elected you to do Obama.
YEP!! The bigger backlash now includes Citizen Outrage over not only the reprehensible behavior of some U.S. Military Personnel but, as you say Ella, the soft-line taken by the Obama Administration. He should be on TV - talking about the abuse: its causes, his and our reactions to it, the aftermath of such behavior, the future dictates of appropriate behavior, and what punishments or discipline will meet those who engaged in this abuse vs. what will happen to any who repeat it.
Elaina43: thanks for your comment, but as you say, he NOT doing this. Massive grass roots pressure is needed, it is the only POSITIVE way forward. If Obama fails to fulfill his most 'convincing' campaign promises, there will be either be a huge reactionary backlash from the right-wing loonies, or total apathy for generations to come. And this IS the definition of a Banana Republic, for a better lack of words.
War Criminals getting away with more crimes nothing New with this administration and don't hold your breath on having Bush and His Administration punished for war crimes they are too busy Making us a Police State Nation!
It seems American soldiers cant keep their pants zipped in Iraq ... wonder ... It Seems our American soldiers have taken up raping children now in combat
Ella you are completely on target. All these folks with their situational ethics, excuses for Obama and so-called "real-politic" are just as bad as the un-American cowardly trash that supported the Bush regime "right or wrong" in my book. If our government won't uphold the laws, including holding government officials accountable, then the government no longer is legitimate. The ongoing secrecy leads to abuses and has ruined our country's name and any virtue we once had. Bravo! Ella
Obama does not make decisions based on personal feelings or intuition. He is not Bush and I am sure there is a reason for this.
I read some of these comments and all I can say is some of you are nuts. You expect way too much from Obama. You act like he doesn't have anything else to do but worry about what you want. Get real.
Suppose you were president, and you found yourself in a position to try to do some good in the world.
But suppose that if you released the memos, it would lead directly to riots and murder, including the murder of American diplomats in our foreign embassies and our troops overseas.
And suppose those deaths would be politically damaging and cost you re-election.
Would releasing them really be worth it if it destroyed your political power?
Z200a: If I were president, I would try to uphold my oath under the US Constitution, to obey the law + not meddle with the separation of powers between the judiciary, legislative + executive as stated therein.Riots, murder + the targeting of US diplomats would in fact be a direct + indirect result of our entire US foreign policy. The backlash against our troops will be far GREATER, if you HIDE the evidence. This is beyond 'elections' at this point, it boils down to basic human decency.
You reference concern that releasing the photos might lead to a backlash and then say "the real backlash" will occur if those responsible are not prosecuted.
These are mutulally exclusive and not inter-dependent.
Holding the war criminals to account does not depend on releasing new pictures.
While I hope that the Bush Administration officials who authorized torture are prosecuted, I think it would be unwise to trigger riots and murder by releasing the photos.
Z200a: I disagree. They are not mutually exclusive and very much inter-dependent. And here is why: as long as these photos are being suppressed, then the public outcry for prosecution will simply die off. The Bush administration suppressed photos of coffins of the war dead for the EXACT same reason: namely, negative publicity. Eventually, ALL these photos will be released one way or the other, and it will paint Obama as a complete hypocrite in the terms of he says versus what he does.
when one prints 1.9 trillion , then what ? you give it to some one / but not us
0-bummer's grand ma was a bank vice president , Until her kid did it with Malcolm (X) Little , and thay (mum/dauter) ran off to Hawaii (o , the shame of it)
Obama is revealing himself to be not unlike Bush - i had thought this revelation would come later in his term, but there it is.
Since O is a smart man i am certain that he knows how his (in)actions are tarnishing his (so far) stellar time in office. I must conclude that he is burning through political capital & that a much larger shoe is bound to drop.
I hope the O-maniacs quiet down in their adulation & perhaps begin criticizing their chosen president/messiah.
the telegraph reported that binyam mohamed (who has been held for seven years and who is still being held in guantanamo bay though all charges have been dropped) had his genitals sliced, amongst other lovely "enhanced interrogation techniques."
for everything that we do know and for every photo that we have seen, there is sure to be something a thousand times worse being hidden and obama is simply protecting his peeps.
truindep: it's not so much that these new photos are even more horrific than the previous ones, because these were already horrific enough! The much larger issue is this: the locations where these photo's were taken, namely NOT at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo, but elsewhere, and thus providing visual evidence that these were NOT isolated incidents but SYSTEMATIC impunity approved at the highest levels + continuing to THIS VERY DAY, by clandestine programs. The hypocrisy here is ENORMOUS....
i don't disagree with you. i was merely pointing out that by keeping our focus on this(these photos & obama), we are missing out on the bigger picture, namely, the spoken testimony regarding even worse abuses of power (which, of course, is very likely continuing at this very moment). whilst we need to be angry over this hypocrisy, we need to think about what they are trying to keep us from focusing on. 500 characters isn't much to work with, so i apologize if i was not clear before.
truindep: no, I understand what you are trying to say, and your argument is valid. But in the age of 24-hour news cycles, IMAGES have impact, because most people will simply NOT read the actual testimony or even the memos ALREADY published. In my own circle of acquaintances, I know only 3 people who have actually READ those memos. It takes TIME to read them. Over an hour or more. Thanks so much for your comments, I really appreciate it !
Ex- governor of Minnesota,Jesse Ventura, is rather outraged in his recent interview with Larry King on CNN. The Youtube video is available.
He calls Dick Cheney a coward; and George Bush the worst president in his lifetime. Mr Ventura was a Navy Seal and demolition expert. He would welcome becoming the Ambassador to Cuba.
If Obama does not prosecute the Bush administration for war crimes and crimes against humanity, he should be held accountable for endorsing their actions.
I am also concerned as to why he isn't rebuilding New Orleans. Whats Obama's excuse? Does he have to blow millions of people out of their homes in 3 other countries first before he even helps his own countrymen rebuild New Orleans? What a lying Bast%$*
I want to see outrage and backlash over the Obamagate Cover-up! Forgery, SS fraud, obstructing justice, contempt of court, election fraud and bribery are part of the laundry list of illegal or impeachable acts of this regime. In Watergate, the cover-up was the worst part of the deal, so there's something wrong with the political picture in Club USA. We now have a dictator!
JakeBlakeProject 6 months ago
It is more a 'blow to democracy'-than a blow to 'liberal democrats' !
kjack5 2 years ago 2
My comment is that your dead on. This is begining to become a really familiar pattern. Obama seems to be trying to take back fundamental tennants that got him elected. This secrecy is the first part, Ella you need to check out what was on Crooks and Liars today. Apparantly Obama is now reconsidering the release of the Guantanamo Bay prisonsers and is considering holding them indefinitely. People need to pass the word now. End this insanity and do what we elected you to do Obama.
MournelitheCalix 2 years ago
YEP!! The bigger backlash now includes Citizen Outrage over not only the reprehensible behavior of some U.S. Military Personnel but, as you say Ella, the soft-line taken by the Obama Administration. He should be on TV - talking about the abuse: its causes, his and our reactions to it, the aftermath of such behavior, the future dictates of appropriate behavior, and what punishments or discipline will meet those who engaged in this abuse vs. what will happen to any who repeat it.
Elaina43 2 years ago
Elaina43: thanks for your comment, but as you say, he NOT doing this. Massive grass roots pressure is needed, it is the only POSITIVE way forward. If Obama fails to fulfill his most 'convincing' campaign promises, there will be either be a huge reactionary backlash from the right-wing loonies, or total apathy for generations to come. And this IS the definition of a Banana Republic, for a better lack of words.
55ella2007k 2 years ago
Obama proves once again to be a stooge for the true players behind the scenes.
tenebroust 2 years ago
I wrote the White House this morning.
fal2grace 2 years ago
Please watch & spread:
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icke11234 2 years ago
War Criminals getting away with more crimes nothing New with this administration and don't hold your breath on having Bush and His Administration punished for war crimes they are too busy Making us a Police State Nation!
brengale 2 years ago
Absolutely right. Well said.
Neurolanis 2 years ago
It seems American soldiers cant keep their pants zipped in Iraq ... wonder ... It Seems our American soldiers have taken up raping children now in combat
KamikazeKoscki 2 years ago
Children raped by American soldiers in front of their mothers - Pentagon has tapes ... British Soldiers beating children in Iraq.
KamikazeKoscki 2 years ago
Ella you are completely on target. All these folks with their situational ethics, excuses for Obama and so-called "real-politic" are just as bad as the un-American cowardly trash that supported the Bush regime "right or wrong" in my book. If our government won't uphold the laws, including holding government officials accountable, then the government no longer is legitimate. The ongoing secrecy leads to abuses and has ruined our country's name and any virtue we once had. Bravo! Ella
GordonWalton 2 years ago 4
Obama does not make decisions based on personal feelings or intuition. He is not Bush and I am sure there is a reason for this.
I read some of these comments and all I can say is some of you are nuts. You expect way too much from Obama. You act like he doesn't have anything else to do but worry about what you want. Get real.
burntonion05 2 years ago
Excellent commentary.
Couldn't agree more.
From the hotel.....Joe
thesludgereport2 2 years ago 3
Ask yourself this, Ella.
Suppose you were president, and you found yourself in a position to try to do some good in the world.
But suppose that if you released the memos, it would lead directly to riots and murder, including the murder of American diplomats in our foreign embassies and our troops overseas.
And suppose those deaths would be politically damaging and cost you re-election.
Would releasing them really be worth it if it destroyed your political power?
Obviously not.
Z200a 2 years ago
Note: Above I meant to say, "suppose that if you released the PHOTOGRAPHS." Apologies for the mistake.
Z200a 2 years ago
Z200a: If I were president, I would try to uphold my oath under the US Constitution, to obey the law + not meddle with the separation of powers between the judiciary, legislative + executive as stated therein.Riots, murder + the targeting of US diplomats would in fact be a direct + indirect result of our entire US foreign policy. The backlash against our troops will be far GREATER, if you HIDE the evidence. This is beyond 'elections' at this point, it boils down to basic human decency.
55ella2007k 2 years ago
Ella,
You reference concern that releasing the photos might lead to a backlash and then say "the real backlash" will occur if those responsible are not prosecuted.
These are mutulally exclusive and not inter-dependent.
Holding the war criminals to account does not depend on releasing new pictures.
While I hope that the Bush Administration officials who authorized torture are prosecuted, I think it would be unwise to trigger riots and murder by releasing the photos.
Z200a 2 years ago
I agree with this Ella. A refusal to publish damaging
photo's does not necessarily equate with collusion
or a refusal to prosecute.He has never been
enthusiastic about this prosecution so this is not
surprising.
angryislander56 2 years ago
Z200a: I disagree. They are not mutually exclusive and very much inter-dependent. And here is why: as long as these photos are being suppressed, then the public outcry for prosecution will simply die off. The Bush administration suppressed photos of coffins of the war dead for the EXACT same reason: namely, negative publicity. Eventually, ALL these photos will be released one way or the other, and it will paint Obama as a complete hypocrite in the terms of he says versus what he does.
55ella2007k 2 years ago
Yes please!
Protect me from reality!
Those pictures might warp my fragile little mind!
Peridolin 2 years ago
* Yes please!
Protect me from reality!
Those pictures might warp my fragile little mind! *
This is an unserious caricature of the argument for not releasing the memos. Your caricature is not an argument anyone is actually making seriously.
We call that a straw man.
Z200a 2 years ago
I call that sarcasm.
Peridolin 2 years ago
you look suprised..... Think the administration would do anything they said they would to come into power?
Smoke and mirrors..... Stick with the bankers. THEY pull the strings.
NibiruMagick2012 2 years ago 3
The fact these photos even exist underscores the need for accountability.
Obama said on his first full day in office, A democracy requires accountability, and accountability requires transparency.
Again, Obama says one thing, and then does another (ala fisa) - same as Bush before him.
CognitiveDisonance 2 years ago 5
bush was the worm-up 0-bummer is the show
when one prints 1.9 trillion , then what ? you give it to some one / but not us
0-bummer's grand ma was a bank vice president , Until her kid did it with Malcolm (X) Little , and thay (mum/dauter) ran off to Hawaii (o , the shame of it)
wcarlpdrysdale 2 years ago
Dead on target.
Obama is revealing himself to be not unlike Bush - i had thought this revelation would come later in his term, but there it is.
Since O is a smart man i am certain that he knows how his (in)actions are tarnishing his (so far) stellar time in office. I must conclude that he is burning through political capital & that a much larger shoe is bound to drop.
I hope the O-maniacs quiet down in their adulation & perhaps begin criticizing their chosen president/messiah.
morelshaman 2 years ago 2
waterboarding and the photos are the red herring.
the telegraph reported that binyam mohamed (who has been held for seven years and who is still being held in guantanamo bay though all charges have been dropped) had his genitals sliced, amongst other lovely "enhanced interrogation techniques."
for everything that we do know and for every photo that we have seen, there is sure to be something a thousand times worse being hidden and obama is simply protecting his peeps.
truindep 2 years ago 4
truindep: it's not so much that these new photos are even more horrific than the previous ones, because these were already horrific enough! The much larger issue is this: the locations where these photo's were taken, namely NOT at Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo, but elsewhere, and thus providing visual evidence that these were NOT isolated incidents but SYSTEMATIC impunity approved at the highest levels + continuing to THIS VERY DAY, by clandestine programs. The hypocrisy here is ENORMOUS....
55ella2007k 2 years ago
i don't disagree with you. i was merely pointing out that by keeping our focus on this(these photos & obama), we are missing out on the bigger picture, namely, the spoken testimony regarding even worse abuses of power (which, of course, is very likely continuing at this very moment). whilst we need to be angry over this hypocrisy, we need to think about what they are trying to keep us from focusing on. 500 characters isn't much to work with, so i apologize if i was not clear before.
truindep 2 years ago
truindep: no, I understand what you are trying to say, and your argument is valid. But in the age of 24-hour news cycles, IMAGES have impact, because most people will simply NOT read the actual testimony or even the memos ALREADY published. In my own circle of acquaintances, I know only 3 people who have actually READ those memos. It takes TIME to read them. Over an hour or more. Thanks so much for your comments, I really appreciate it !
55ella2007k 2 years ago
Great vlog ella. Truth. Something the average American is not prepared to deal with.
PASMdude 2 years ago 4
Be strong girl. Peace!
usergently 2 years ago
Ex- governor of Minnesota,Jesse Ventura, is rather outraged in his recent interview with Larry King on CNN. The Youtube video is available.
He calls Dick Cheney a coward; and George Bush the worst president in his lifetime. Mr Ventura was a Navy Seal and demolition expert. He would welcome becoming the Ambassador to Cuba.
carefulcarpenter 2 years ago
I agree with you 100%, show ALL the info!
If Obama does not prosecute the Bush administration for war crimes and crimes against humanity, he should be held accountable for endorsing their actions.
I am also concerned as to why he isn't rebuilding New Orleans. Whats Obama's excuse? Does he have to blow millions of people out of their homes in 3 other countries first before he even helps his own countrymen rebuild New Orleans? What a lying Bast%$*
Can anyone spare some CHANGE?
minstral2 2 years ago 4
*****!
officialusa 2 years ago
YES its ludicrous! I seen Obama live today stating it may cause harm to release the photo's...
pissed me off something fierce!
*bows to Miss Ella*
StarrJaded 2 years ago 6
Standard government policy. Conceal any truth whatsover.
cowboycarl04 2 years ago 3
You go girl...let's hold the banksters accountable also....after all...it is their war!!!
skybirdbird 2 years ago 9