The word of God would be an absolutely perfect book. The existence of well meaning help videos and books on how to read the Bible just shows that it is confusing, ambiguous, and just contradictory at times. It is obviously not perfect, since books cannot be perfect expressions of the inner mind's thoughts and ideas, and neither can words.
The existence of so many interpretations shows just how imperfect a tool it is. The perfect word would be undeniable and would shine the same everywhere.
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Perhaps the next time your God creates he won't choose a special people out of his creation and write great portions of his book only for them. Or perhaps he'll make that whole thing a whole lot clearer so as to alleviate hundreds of millions of deaths.... in his glory. Not that the greatest and most intelligent being in the universe wouldn't have thought of this. I'm sure it's for our own good.
1Cor:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Cor:3:19: For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Grow up. Who is your God that he would demand worship of men, if they don't bow down to me and accept my son then they will burn in hell. All these are concepts of men. If there was a God I would think he or she would be a little wiser. Also why do you live under a roof while people are homeless and hungry, go into the woods like John and live off of locust, and give all you have to the poor. If there was a God I'm sure he would destroy all the churches, as holiness has no home in them.
Nobody's laughing at the great white throne judgment, just before they crack the knee, and confess Jesus Christ is Lord, just before they go into the Lake of Fire for all eternity.
All there is then, is weeping, and gnashing of teeth.
Mt:10:28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Remember boys and girls only a "true christian" can deciper (as if the bible is a book of codes that must be cracked) the bible and other people who read the bible and see how screwed up it is aren't seeing the true message. Also that christians never take the bible out of context because unless you're a christian the bible won't make sense to you anyway. WTF
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me?
Ps:14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
Anyone who argues with so lethargically and authoritatively on an issue, Christianity, which is vitally contingent upon the existence of the supernatural--the existence of which no man has ever being able to produce a conclusive proof for; it seems to me not only tautological and logically flawed, but insulting to any our human decency and intelligence.
Real stiff necked crowd here, eh Tim. Thanks for getting back to my message last night. herbertwarmstrong and I ping ponged Scripture back and forth then called it a day:). I love the Word of God for rightly dividing the truth. Blessings brother.
Yes Derek, this video was attached to a God scoffing video, and gets some gears and snears, but then again, scoffing Atheism, is just a demonic cult of God hating blasphemers, who will one day crack the knee, and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Rom 3:18: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19: Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
2Tm:3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2Pt 1:20: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21: For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
It certainly does. You can argue with God about it at the Great White Throne judgment.
Ps:138:2: I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Jn:17:17: Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Mt:4:4: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
So tell me this, Wat about all these NDE's were people go to Hell????? Then God comes down and offers the solution to the problem. How come they get 2nd chances and many other people don't??? How come believing in him is just not good enough???? What sort of creator creates a place such as Hell??? Did you know Jesus and the Apostiles never mentioned Hell in the Original Hebrew/Greek Scriptures Jesus and the apostiles never spoke english. Oh did u know there is a KJV of the Masonic Bible????
Heb12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
28 For our God is a consuming fire.
Mt:10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Lk:16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
If you're unsaved, and on your way to Hell, you have already drunk the poison you Godless heathen Dog.
You will crack your knee to Christ, and that Godless heathen smirk, will forever be wiped off your face forever if you die in your sins without receiving Christ.
Jn:3:36: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
wow that doesnt sound very christlike. U sound like u want people to burn in hell, like u are glad they will be punished. This is very arrogant and not something Jesus would ever say...
Mt:10:28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Lk 16:23: And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24: And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
You know what, the Bible was written by scholars. If a scholar said, "jump off a bridge and you will live if you were a Christan between year 21bc-5bc" how plausible would that sound. Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just draw the conclusion that not 100% of the bible is a fact. I mean humans aren't perfect, the Bible wasn't handed down to us by God. With a book that size you got to think, "how much of that was spiritual." I'm Christian I just have common sense to.
You don't even know for sure whether or not you're going to heaven when you die. So I don't think you should question my faith, because that is not your job. If I were to die today? I can't answer that question because I'm not God.
It is our duty to preach Christ crucified, and resurrected.
Rom:10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10: For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Yes, I am aware of that verse. Christian rap preached it to me, but lets not forget that I am arguing from the stand point that the bible was written by scholars and people don't always get their facts strait. You never know maybe that section was just a hoax because one of them woke up one day feeling like he was going to hell.
I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm saying you never know what is and what isn't true unless it makes perfect grammatical sense between right and wrong.
This is the importance, and significance that God places on his word.
Ps138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
If I take a lesser position, I'm calling God a liar, and it's pointless calling myself a Christian, if I cannot believe what God says.
Lk4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
Ok, sense all your responses are just things people thought up for you I am not going to waist my time telling how I feel about you questioning my faith.
From what you've stated, you have no faith. You affirmed that you have no assurance, that you would be saved, and that, only God can determine that fate.
God, in his word said you could know now. You may feel it's a waist of time, but until you believe what God says, you, from Gods viewpoint are LOST.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
You know what, sense you like cutting me down so much. How Christian of you! Anyway if you want play this game with me I can just play the same game by telling you that the statements you just made were directed towards a different time period of Christians. Sense you want to talk about this invisible time period where things are applicable. The Bible was not only published but finalized before the 17th century and your trying to score Jesus points on me.
You came on record, and denied Gods word, the complete sacrificial work of Christ, denied eternal security in that work, called God a liar but refuting the infallibility of his word.
Then you rejected the provisions as detailed in Rom 10:9-10, 1Jo 5:9-13, John 3:36, Rom 10:17, Jo 14:6, while hypocritically calling yourself a Christian in denial.
Then you contend how, "un Christian like" for I am for attempting to preach to you the saving gospel of Christ.
Yes we do cos Gods word is good and eternal, unlike the devils Amen
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand
that sounds like too much work so u gotta read all the bible and think whatever u want about it well lets just not read the bible and we will live without worries .
This is the cup you will drink from if you die in your sins.
Rv:14:10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
It doesn't matter who you're talking to, when you're talking to them or what the context is...saying someone can consume deadly poison and live is a obviously a big fat lie.
Rom:3:4: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
This is going to be the poison you will drink, if you die in your sins without Christ.
Rv:14:10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
so Jesus and the angels watch souls suffer for eternity and they're totally cool with it? i mean they'd have to be if they're in heaven, right? there can be no sadness in eternal bliss.
He is only cool with from folk who will not accept his perfect sacrifice to pay for their sins. You reject the payment, then YOU HAVE CHOSEN to separate yourself from God.
What ends up happening to people who don't choose to separate themselves from god? There are people in other parts of the world who have never heard of christianity, do they suffer the same fate as those who consciously reject them? If you truly believe that, then how will you feel on judgement day when you who knew the truth didn't do everything in your power to inform them? If you don't believe they will be treated the same, then where do the uninformed go?
Can I ask a rather simple question? you know after Jesus was supposed to have risen from the dead... who was it that discovered the empty tomb? Always got confused about that... whoever it was... well they surely just arrived later than the people who moved the body...and since it was a jewish tomb...why were they going there in the first place? Its just a cave with a rock over it!
And, behold, there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE: for the ANGEL of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
And for FEAR OF HIM THE KEEPERS DID SHAKE, AND BECAME AS DEAD MEN.
And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
The thing is, when you read the bible, it was origionally read as it is. It wasn't meant to be interpreted by others. I find it funny how you're trying to reason things by making excuses.
The only one that will be trying to make excuses, is you, just before you crack your knee, you God forsaken Christ rejecting heathen.
Rom:1:20: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Phil:2:11: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
This is the poison you will drink if you don't get saved.
Rv:14:10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
I see by some of these comments these puke christians have no idea what you are talking about, nor do they want to. They want to be fed little sips of milk at their Laodicean churches and have their ears tickled. They just can't crack open their bibles to see if what you are saying is true, like the Bereans who where more noble.. Acts 17:11
Deuteronomy 22:21-24 "But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of the city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has wrought folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; so you shall purge this evil from Israel."
so what you're saying is this holy, unchanging perfect book of god's own words needs lots of interpretation and deciphering. And only wise christian scholars can decipher it. god really should have hired a decent editor.
Not a Christian scholar, but a devout seeker of God.
Heb:11:6: But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
1Cor:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
God tells me not to cast pearls before swine, that's why you got blocked.
Lay hold is NOT RAPE. Nowhere does it suggest that an involuntary act was performed, that, is conjecture.
Mt:7:6: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Here is Gods judgment on rape, in the same passage no less.
Deu 22:25: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:
26: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
Deu 22:28: If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29: Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Prov:17:28: Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
i know this is a question christians get alot but why do athiests go to hell for something so little if they're a good person and live their lives where they do good things for humanity, why does god have to care if a few people don't believe in him, christianity is a majority if i was god i'd be happy enough with the people who praise me but happier for the people who try to bring peace to the earth, why doesn't god let good people into heaven that are athiest? i'm asking for your opinion!
God is Holy, and cannot allow sin in his presence. If anyone, (Atheist or otherwise) rejects the sin offering made through the person of Jesus Christ, they are forever separated, because THEY CHOSE NOT to ACCEPT Gods provision for salvation.
i want to believe in god it's just i cant its very hard for me to believe in him/her (you never know). i dont make a choice in not believing, i could say i believe in him/her but then i'd be lying. no matter how hard i try i just cant, if i feel bad about my sins and confess them to something i dont believe in will he forgive? and if not believing is a sin then i am going to burn in damnation for something petty. i don't choose not to accept god...
...that is just how my mind thinks. faith is not good enough for the choice between damnation and heaven, i wan't proof, the bible seems outdated to me considering people weren't as smart thousands of years ago.
Listen to your conscience, look up into the skies, and understand, that you would not know what year you live in, if it weren't for the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who was eye witnessed of above 500 brethren at one time.
Rom:1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1Cor:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Why should the "natural man" not be able to know God? I thought God wanted followers...
And my original question remains. Why would a God seeking to save all the people of the world from hell make his message unclear, especially if he is omniscient and omnipotent?
Heb:11:6: But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
So... God is only pleased when you believe for no reason. So, here's the situation then: God makes hell for people who don't believe/sinners, God makes his message ambiguous, God gives no proof of himself to his creations which he imbued with logic and reason and then sends the ones who fail to disavow their logic and reasoning skills and accept the idea that there is a very specific God to hell to suffer forever.
Sounds like a trickster God to me. Who would want to worship that guy?
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Amen bro, these guys aren't to interested in the truth, all they want to do, is chew up all our time for parties, who are interested in knowing the truth.
You can tell by their line of questioning, and their demeanor. I don't cast out to many pearls to these swine, they have made their own bed, and they can sleep in it.
Lk:16:15: And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Jn:12:43: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
If your living in the Holy land of Israel under the Law, with God's presence in the tabernacle, then you would be correct.
However:
Jn:1:17: For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
When God established a New Testament founded on the blood of the mediator(OUTSIDE OF THE LAND), and outside of the Law, then your cirmised conclusions would be WRONG.
And you are blocked for having a filthy Godless mouth.
To the contrary, what is convenient, is for someone who never reads or studies the Bible, to conclude what one has thoroughly studied, and qualified by comparing scripture to scripture in accordance to the instructions that are outlined in the scripture.
Since I been counting, I've read the book 102 times, and that excludes my study time.
Ps:50:16: But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
1Cor:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Rom:8:9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Do you realize that by defending the bible by quoting the bible is considered circular reasoning? this means your arguments are inherently flawed in these contexts. circular reasoning. look it up.
Typical theist response. Nonbelievers taking the Bible out of context to come up with a different message. The entire parable Mark relates is about the benefits of believing like salvation and special powers:
Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (KJV)
I agree. God gives those guys enough rope to hang themselves with.
They seek for something that "appears to be ambiguous" when it is simply misapplied without consideration of the context, who it is written to, and for what time line, and for what purpose's.
They think they are being funny, but all they do, is bring further condemnation to themselves.
This was a really good video. 2 Tim. 2:15 is removed from every single bible except from the kjv. Clarence Larkin did an excellent book on dispensational truth and it has helped me tremendously.
All of this is the reason I belive that people of any religion should live as an athiest. By this I mean praise God for this life he has givin us, and if you are Christian, praise Christ for the slavation he gave us, but don't read the bible, follow life by what is right, and what is right and wrong is not a very objective idea. But following these books of religions perverts the following of God.
The scriptures, are not a provisional issue, it is a faith issue.
Do you believe these statements.
Ps:138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
ok ok i got one. if god influenced the writers of the bible, why didn't he give them the power to make a second version that was in modern day English, i mean hes all knowing, so he would know the main language we speak and the time of the most non believers, so he could of instructed the writers to make modern English versions, so we wouldn't have these piece of crap translations. that would be pretty impressive right?
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
So-called contradictions by atheists are generally caused by
1. Cherry-picking a specific translation and ignoring the original language; you can see this whenever atheists talk about the 'thou shalt not kill' and how it supposedly "contradicts" other portions of the Bible
2. Ignoring the context--nonbelievers do this all the time. As far as the poison drinking goes, I'm pretty sure believers were given many powers (such as the ability to heal the sick) to 'prove' whether or not they were for real. I'm pretty sure these powers disappeared when the New Testament was finished and the early church firmly established, as there was no longer any need for them.
Yes, there is need of those powers and missionaries experience them all the time. So do other Christians, but you learn pretty quickly to keep it to yourself because other Christians will not believe you any more than they believe Rhoda when she told them that Peter was at the door, or any more than they believed Mary Magdalene when she told them that Jesus had risen from the dead. Oh, ye of little faith.
Okay, I've recently reconsidered and changed my mind on this issue. Even so, this doesn't change the fact that the VAST majority of such claims are hoaxes made by people trying to puff themselves up. I still think there is a very unhealthy obsession with tongues and other such nonsense in the charismatic movement.
You're wrong. If you're not a Charismatic or a Pentecostal, you're not qualified to comment on what their motives are because you don't know. You don't know "the vast majority" of Christians who pray in tongues, or how humble they are. You're generalizing. I personally don't know anybody who ever cared to puff themselves up, and I don't personally know anybody who ever had an unhealthy obsession with tongues, and I'd be careful, if I were you, about labeling any move of God "nonsense."
Since the bible claims to be the word of god itself - how can you, as a mere mortal, decide what was meant how and what is to be seen as "ambiguous"? Just cherry-picking the parts of the bible that you like and discarding the ones you don't like is not a honest endeavour is it?
You don't deserve an answer, and Jesus gave me instruction concerning your foolish line of questioning.
Here is what he says.
Mt:7:6: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Prov:14:7: Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge
You either take it all into stone, or you believe nothing of it. God made it all perfect and all clear, and he made all of us so we could understand it perfectly.
"he made all of us so we could understand it perfectly"
really? every person in china that died before the "scripture" was available to them, according to the bible, went to hell because the "word of god" was not available to them.
Rom:1:22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom:1:20: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom:2:15: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
Please tell me sir, why is it just not clear? God knows that this book can be read and interpreted in a million different ways. Why is it up to us to decipher the correct answer? In something that is supposed to be taken as truth and nothing but the truth, wouldn't it be good practice to make it as clear and unambiguous as possible?
It is clear, and interpretations belong to God, not man.
We do not decipher, we read, and believe. When we see that Christ spake specifically to Jews under the Old Testament, and qualifies his remarks, there is nothing to interpret. We believe it, and DO NOT confirm that he was speaking to Gentiles.
But an unclear ambiguous passage, is what a cultist will use to build a false argument against sound unambiguous passages.
All I want to know is WHY ambiguous passages exist in the first place. To make me think? And to say "Because God wanted it to be so" can only perceived as nonsense in my opinion. Sort of like the line you said earlier on this comment list: "According to God, he is omnipotent." He because he said so? Really?
I appreciate what your saying. The problem here is that the Bible has 1140 chapters. If you carried on a conversation for that length of time, absolutely anyone could randomly take an isolated portion of your conversation, and twist it to read whatever they want.
How many times have you been taken out of context in a short conversation.
The Devil builds on this, "Yeah, hath God said" mentality, like he did in the Garden, when he deceived Eve in the garden.
Kjvonly01 is right, you do NOT take the bible in a literal meaning for every word-for-word.
The bible has been written in many different genres, the Earth was not created in 6 days.
The bible was written for and to a people of less scientific civilization. If we told them that the earth was created 4.6 billion years ago they would be just as confused as us, believing that the world was really created in 6 days.
Rv:19:6: And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Rom:3:4: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
I'm only just getting to grips with, is it called 'dispensations'? Where did I read 'The Bible isn't all for us, but it's all to us'? Now I understand why we have to study to show ourselves approved. Thanks brother Tim, as always, you give a clear presentation.
The word of God would be an absolutely perfect book. The existence of well meaning help videos and books on how to read the Bible just shows that it is confusing, ambiguous, and just contradictory at times. It is obviously not perfect, since books cannot be perfect expressions of the inner mind's thoughts and ideas, and neither can words.
The existence of so many interpretations shows just how imperfect a tool it is. The perfect word would be undeniable and would shine the same everywhere.
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Perhaps the next time your God creates he won't choose a special people out of his creation and write great portions of his book only for them. Or perhaps he'll make that whole thing a whole lot clearer so as to alleviate hundreds of millions of deaths.... in his glory. Not that the greatest and most intelligent being in the universe wouldn't have thought of this. I'm sure it's for our own good.
It shouldn't be so easy to take out of context.
Mark Twain could get a point across, why not God?
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1Cor:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Cor:3:19: For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
kjvonly01 1 year ago
Grow up. Who is your God that he would demand worship of men, if they don't bow down to me and accept my son then they will burn in hell. All these are concepts of men. If there was a God I would think he or she would be a little wiser. Also why do you live under a roof while people are homeless and hungry, go into the woods like John and live off of locust, and give all you have to the poor. If there was a God I'm sure he would destroy all the churches, as holiness has no home in them.
Trapar137 1 year ago
@Trapar137
Proverbs 17:28 (King James Version)
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
kjvonly01 1 year ago
Better get every last laugh in now.
Nobody's laughing at the great white throne judgment, just before they crack the knee, and confess Jesus Christ is Lord, just before they go into the Lake of Fire for all eternity.
All there is then, is weeping, and gnashing of teeth.
Mt:10:28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
kjvonly01 1 year ago
Amen bro.
kjvonly01 1 year ago
Remember boys and girls only a "true christian" can deciper (as if the bible is a book of codes that must be cracked) the bible and other people who read the bible and see how screwed up it is aren't seeing the true message. Also that christians never take the bible out of context because unless you're a christian the bible won't make sense to you anyway. WTF
Freethought =freedom from religion.
hobbicles28 2 years ago
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me?
Ps:14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
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Challuayacu 2 years ago
Anyone who argues with so lethargically and authoritatively on an issue, Christianity, which is vitally contingent upon the existence of the supernatural--the existence of which no man has ever being able to produce a conclusive proof for; it seems to me not only tautological and logically flawed, but insulting to any our human decency and intelligence.
Challuayacu 2 years ago
@Challuayacu
Job:38:2: Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Prov:17:28: Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
Ps:14:1: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Real stiff necked crowd here, eh Tim. Thanks for getting back to my message last night. herbertwarmstrong and I ping ponged Scripture back and forth then called it a day:). I love the Word of God for rightly dividing the truth. Blessings brother.
Derek
ProphetNPrairie 2 years ago
Yes Derek, this video was attached to a God scoffing video, and gets some gears and snears, but then again, scoffing Atheism, is just a demonic cult of God hating blasphemers, who will one day crack the knee, and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
Rom 3:18: There is no fear of God before their eyes.
19: Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
@kjvonly01 crack the knee ;)
ProphetNPrairie 2 years ago
Prov:17:28: Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
Phil 2:10: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
@kjvonly01
who wrote all those things???
TheMightyGuri 2 years ago
@TheMightyGuri
2Tm:3:16: All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
2Pt 1:20: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21: For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
@kjvonly01
sorry but that doesnt answer my question
TheMightyGuri 2 years ago
@TheMightyGuri
It certainly does. You can argue with God about it at the Great White Throne judgment.
Ps:138:2: I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Jn:17:17: Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Mt:4:4: But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
sorry for using my second account since you blocked my first one :)
well, you dont believe me, right? thats why you blocked me and deleted my comment, but i tell you this is true!
but i understand that an intelligent, faithfull human being doesnt believe if someone's trying to tell him, god has spoken to me
who would???
in the name of jesus, checkmate
RSCHORI1982 2 years ago
@RSCHORI1982
Not at all. You were blocked, because it became glaringly evident, that you're really not interested in Gods council.
So this is what God tells to to do.
Prov:14:7: Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge.
Prov:17:28: Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
@thisisatimeoftruth
God look on your evil, and require it you Godless foul mouthed heathen Dog.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
@Triumphit1
Prov:17:28: Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
So tell me this, Wat about all these NDE's were people go to Hell????? Then God comes down and offers the solution to the problem. How come they get 2nd chances and many other people don't??? How come believing in him is just not good enough???? What sort of creator creates a place such as Hell??? Did you know Jesus and the Apostiles never mentioned Hell in the Original Hebrew/Greek Scriptures Jesus and the apostiles never spoke english. Oh did u know there is a KJV of the Masonic Bible????
virtuallad06 2 years ago
Hell is mentioned 51 times.
Heb12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
28 For our God is a consuming fire.
Mt:10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Lk:16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
If you're unsaved, and on your way to Hell, you have already drunk the poison you Godless heathen Dog.
You will crack your knee to Christ, and that Godless heathen smirk, will forever be wiped off your face forever if you die in your sins without receiving Christ.
Jn:3:36: He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
wow that doesnt sound very christlike. U sound like u want people to burn in hell, like u are glad they will be punished. This is very arrogant and not something Jesus would ever say...
psykeyange 2 years ago
This is what CHRIST TAUGHT on HELL.
Mt:10:28: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Lk 16:23: And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24: And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
@kjvonly01 that's scary 0_0 i don't like god
starberry2947 2 years ago
That's OK, you have the freedom to go to hell if you wish.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
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AlYassou3Rabbi 2 years ago
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@starberry2947
Psalms 68
1 Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him.
2 As smoke is driven away, so drive them away:
as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God.
AlYassou3Rabbi 2 years ago
That's saying it the way it is bro. I think that someone marked you as spam. I can't imagine who would do such a thing, lol...
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Yeah its weird I dont even see the comment on this page anylonger. Hmmmm
AlYassou3Rabbi 2 years ago
Yeah, I think your friend marked you as spam. You have to click on show, and then "presto", you appear, lol.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
They should permit the account holder, to change the status of these spam markings.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
@BelieveandtrustJesus,
I could say the same thing about many Baptists, and every other denomination.
piszczeck 2 years ago
You know what, the Bible was written by scholars. If a scholar said, "jump off a bridge and you will live if you were a Christan between year 21bc-5bc" how plausible would that sound. Wouldn't it be a lot easier to just draw the conclusion that not 100% of the bible is a fact. I mean humans aren't perfect, the Bible wasn't handed down to us by God. With a book that size you got to think, "how much of that was spiritual." I'm Christian I just have common sense to.
hockey14822 2 years ago
If you were to die today, where would you be, and how would you get there?
kjvonly01 2 years ago
You don't even know for sure whether or not you're going to heaven when you die. So I don't think you should question my faith, because that is not your job. If I were to die today? I can't answer that question because I'm not God.
hockey14822 2 years ago
My master video has a gospel message for you.
It is our duty to preach Christ crucified, and resurrected.
Rom:10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10: For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
13: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
if you obey to those verses, you're saved.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Yes, I am aware of that verse. Christian rap preached it to me, but lets not forget that I am arguing from the stand point that the bible was written by scholars and people don't always get their facts strait. You never know maybe that section was just a hoax because one of them woke up one day feeling like he was going to hell.
hockey14822 2 years ago
I'm not saying it isn't true, I'm saying you never know what is and what isn't true unless it makes perfect grammatical sense between right and wrong.
hockey14822 2 years ago
This is the importance, and significance that God places on his word.
Ps138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
If I take a lesser position, I'm calling God a liar, and it's pointless calling myself a Christian, if I cannot believe what God says.
Lk4:4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Ok, sense all your responses are just things people thought up for you I am not going to waist my time telling how I feel about you questioning my faith.
hockey14822 2 years ago
From what you've stated, you have no faith. You affirmed that you have no assurance, that you would be saved, and that, only God can determine that fate.
God, in his word said you could know now. You may feel it's a waist of time, but until you believe what God says, you, from Gods viewpoint are LOST.
Rom 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
You know what, sense you like cutting me down so much. How Christian of you! Anyway if you want play this game with me I can just play the same game by telling you that the statements you just made were directed towards a different time period of Christians. Sense you want to talk about this invisible time period where things are applicable. The Bible was not only published but finalized before the 17th century and your trying to score Jesus points on me.
hockey14822 2 years ago
You came on record, and denied Gods word, the complete sacrificial work of Christ, denied eternal security in that work, called God a liar but refuting the infallibility of his word.
Then you rejected the provisions as detailed in Rom 10:9-10, 1Jo 5:9-13, John 3:36, Rom 10:17, Jo 14:6, while hypocritically calling yourself a Christian in denial.
Then you contend how, "un Christian like" for I am for attempting to preach to you the saving gospel of Christ.
I hope someone else can reach you.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Yes we do cos Gods word is good and eternal, unlike the devils Amen
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand
John 10:27-28
If God says it we can take that to the bank!
Laras420 2 years ago
Amen.
Thanks for sharing.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Rom:1:22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1Cor:1:26: For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Cor:1:20: Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
If you die in your sins, you will crack your knee, and confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, just before you get heaveed into the Lake of fire.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Not at all.
Your lack of understanding does not make the council of God of no effect.
Let God be true, and every man a liar.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
agreed
LeFrenchAvenger 2 years ago
He did, it's called the Bible.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
He did, it's called the bible.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Job:38:2: Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3: Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4: Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5: Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6: Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
kjvonly01 2 years ago
that sounds like too much work so u gotta read all the bible and think whatever u want about it well lets just not read the bible and we will live without worries .
tbcslayer 2 years ago
Mt:12:36: But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
This is the cup you will drink from if you die in your sins.
Rv:14:10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
kjvonly01 2 years ago
It doesn't matter who you're talking to, when you're talking to them or what the context is...saying someone can consume deadly poison and live is a obviously a big fat lie.
Suki278 2 years ago
Rom:3:4: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
This is going to be the poison you will drink, if you die in your sins without Christ.
Rv:14:10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
kjvonly01 2 years ago
so Jesus and the angels watch souls suffer for eternity and they're totally cool with it? i mean they'd have to be if they're in heaven, right? there can be no sadness in eternal bliss.
tickitytak 2 years ago
He is only cool with from folk who will not accept his perfect sacrifice to pay for their sins. You reject the payment, then YOU HAVE CHOSEN to separate yourself from God.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
What ends up happening to people who don't choose to separate themselves from god? There are people in other parts of the world who have never heard of christianity, do they suffer the same fate as those who consciously reject them? If you truly believe that, then how will you feel on judgement day when you who knew the truth didn't do everything in your power to inform them? If you don't believe they will be treated the same, then where do the uninformed go?
darebear42 2 years ago
Can I ask a rather simple question? you know after Jesus was supposed to have risen from the dead... who was it that discovered the empty tomb? Always got confused about that... whoever it was... well they surely just arrived later than the people who moved the body...and since it was a jewish tomb...why were they going there in the first place? Its just a cave with a rock over it!
MumblingMickey 2 years ago
Mt 28:2-6
And, behold, there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE: for the ANGEL of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
And for FEAR OF HIM THE KEEPERS DID SHAKE, AND BECAME AS DEAD MEN.
And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Too bad this can't be rated....
The thing is, when you read the bible, it was origionally read as it is. It wasn't meant to be interpreted by others. I find it funny how you're trying to reason things by making excuses.
darkbloodmay 2 years ago
The only one that will be trying to make excuses, is you, just before you crack your knee, you God forsaken Christ rejecting heathen.
Rom:1:20: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Phil:2:11: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
You didn't drink poison.
hardg0re 2 years ago 2
This is the poison you will drink if you don't get saved.
Rv:14:10: The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
kjvonly01 2 years ago
lol. The lord is one sadistic bitch.
PIEDol 2 years ago 2
I see by some of these comments these puke christians have no idea what you are talking about, nor do they want to. They want to be fed little sips of milk at their Laodicean churches and have their ears tickled. They just can't crack open their bibles to see if what you are saying is true, like the Bereans who where more noble.. Acts 17:11
Good job brother!
armandosainz 2 years ago
Thanks for the moral support bro. A lot of hard heads spew their venom on this video. This video gets more hate mail, than any video on my channel.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Deuteronomy 22:21-24 "But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of the city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has wrought folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; so you shall purge this evil from Israel."
alfonsobretti 2 years ago
so what you're saying is this holy, unchanging perfect book of god's own words needs lots of interpretation and deciphering. And only wise christian scholars can decipher it. god really should have hired a decent editor.
entropyfu 2 years ago
Not a Christian scholar, but a devout seeker of God.
Heb:11:6: But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
1Cor:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
So Gods words can mean different things to different people in different times ?
So Gods words can have a meaning different from how it is written ? You sort of have to guess what God is trying to say through the Bible ?
fergharry 2 years ago 2
Nobody gets to pick and choose at all.
It's a question, of reading the context, and making proper application, nothing more, and nothing less, just like Gods word instructs.
2Tm:2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
We'll find out how dead you claim Christ is, when you crack your knee, and confess him as LORD just before you get heaved into the Lake of Fire.
You Godless heathen.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Your reading a perversion( The Devil's Bible). But then again, what would you expect, from a pervert.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
"and lay hold on her, and lie with her,"
Its the same thing with different words! Or is it not??
And did you just call me a pervert? You do realise that i take that as a compliment.
And blocking people who oppose you is very VERY cowardly and pathetic. But then again, what would you expect, from a christian.
bIackmetal 2 years ago
God tells me not to cast pearls before swine, that's why you got blocked.
Lay hold is NOT RAPE. Nowhere does it suggest that an involuntary act was performed, that, is conjecture.
Mt:7:6: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
And your still a fool.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Here is Gods judgment on rape, in the same passage no less.
Deu 22:25: But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die:
26: But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27: For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Doesn't say rape at all.
Deu 22:28: If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29: Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
Prov:17:28: Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Prov:17:28: Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
i know this is a question christians get alot but why do athiests go to hell for something so little if they're a good person and live their lives where they do good things for humanity, why does god have to care if a few people don't believe in him, christianity is a majority if i was god i'd be happy enough with the people who praise me but happier for the people who try to bring peace to the earth, why doesn't god let good people into heaven that are athiest? i'm asking for your opinion!
kuwaimaha 2 years ago
Very simple.
God is Holy, and cannot allow sin in his presence. If anyone, (Atheist or otherwise) rejects the sin offering made through the person of Jesus Christ, they are forever separated, because THEY CHOSE NOT to ACCEPT Gods provision for salvation.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
i want to believe in god it's just i cant its very hard for me to believe in him/her (you never know). i dont make a choice in not believing, i could say i believe in him/her but then i'd be lying. no matter how hard i try i just cant, if i feel bad about my sins and confess them to something i dont believe in will he forgive? and if not believing is a sin then i am going to burn in damnation for something petty. i don't choose not to accept god...
kuwaimaha 2 years ago
...that is just how my mind thinks. faith is not good enough for the choice between damnation and heaven, i wan't proof, the bible seems outdated to me considering people weren't as smart thousands of years ago.
kuwaimaha 2 years ago
Listen to your conscience, look up into the skies, and understand, that you would not know what year you live in, if it weren't for the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who was eye witnessed of above 500 brethren at one time.
Rom:1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1Cor:15:1-6
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Why does the Bible have "unclear passages"?
... isn't it the inspired word of God? Why would god be unclear so that you have to "do your homework" in order to understand it?
theguruofreason 2 years ago
Prov:2:1: My son, if thou wilt receive my words, and hide my commandments with thee;
2: So that thou incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding;
3: Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding;
4: If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
5: Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
1Cor:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Why should the "natural man" not be able to know God? I thought God wanted followers...
And my original question remains. Why would a God seeking to save all the people of the world from hell make his message unclear, especially if he is omniscient and omnipotent?
theguruofreason 2 years ago
Heb:11:6: But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
So... God is only pleased when you believe for no reason. So, here's the situation then: God makes hell for people who don't believe/sinners, God makes his message ambiguous, God gives no proof of himself to his creations which he imbued with logic and reason and then sends the ones who fail to disavow their logic and reasoning skills and accept the idea that there is a very specific God to hell to suffer forever.
Sounds like a trickster God to me. Who would want to worship that guy?
theguruofreason 2 years ago
You don't have to, you have liberty to disbelieve, and go to hell.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Rom 1:19-20
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
KJV
JimQualls 2 years ago
Amen bro, these guys aren't to interested in the truth, all they want to do, is chew up all our time for parties, who are interested in knowing the truth.
You can tell by their line of questioning, and their demeanor. I don't cast out to many pearls to these swine, they have made their own bed, and they can sleep in it.
God Almighty bless thee brother.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
why are your ratings disabled?
GinGeeK 2 years ago
Because when Christ came, that gave him a 1*, and this video was attached to a Godless heathen Atheists video, that's why there is no ratings.
I hope that answered your question, and that you got the message.
My other videos have ratings.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Lk:16:15: And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.
Jn:12:43: For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
If your living in the Holy land of Israel under the Law, with God's presence in the tabernacle, then you would be correct.
However:
Jn:1:17: For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
When God established a New Testament founded on the blood of the mediator(OUTSIDE OF THE LAND), and outside of the Law, then your cirmised conclusions would be WRONG.
And you are blocked for having a filthy Godless mouth.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
You can plead your case on your "flawed" theory, at the foot of Jesus Christ, when you crack your knee, and confess Jesus Christ as Lord.
Every other disbelieving fool will be there to witness among his believers just before they all get cased into the Lake of fire.
Ps:14:1: The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Rev 20:11-15.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
So only most of the bible is correct?
someguy12816 2 years ago
Wrong, it just needs to be properly divided.
2Tm:2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
isnt that awfully convenient?
Ilikenuman 2 years ago
To the contrary, what is convenient, is for someone who never reads or studies the Bible, to conclude what one has thoroughly studied, and qualified by comparing scripture to scripture in accordance to the instructions that are outlined in the scripture.
Since I been counting, I've read the book 102 times, and that excludes my study time.
Ps:50:16: But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Ps 12:1: Help, LORD; for the godly man ceaseth; for the faithful fail from among the children of men.
2: They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
3: The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
4: Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Your post was also removed, because you cannot have a civil conversation without being vulgar.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
1Cor:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Rom:8:9: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
That scripture EXPLICITLY stated that believers could DRINK POISON and be fine.
but nooooo dont hold anything in the bible to accountability, it does not mean what it says, it means something else....
you sir are deluding yourself, stop insulting your own intelligence and get real.
AFpilotJJ 2 years ago 2
The Gentiles do not come into the fold til Acts 10:44-48, Paul as the Apostle to the Gentiles does not get established in his office til Acts 9.
That text is a Jewish text who required a sign, 1Cor:1:22, and not the Gentiles. You have to read, and be more than a one verse wonder my friend.
There is not a single account of Paul preaching any such thing Gal 2:7-9, and EVERY EXAMPLE of any sign was ALWAYS before a Jew.
Rom:1:22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
kjvonly01 2 years ago
dude, dont even bother. instead of acknowledging that your right, he's just gonna dodge your comments by quoting the bible.
talon555 2 years ago 4
A critic of the Bible, who never reads the Bible, who refuses to permit the defense of the Bible, using the Bible.
LOL.
I think you're dodging reality, by ignoring your sinful state, as stated from the Bible.
Rom:3:23: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom:5:12: Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Do you realize that by defending the bible by quoting the bible is considered circular reasoning? this means your arguments are inherently flawed in these contexts. circular reasoning. look it up.
jengamaster345 2 years ago
I agree with you.
I can recite 'Green eggs and ham' until the end of time and it still won't mean a damn thing!
Actuallly, hearing green eggs and ham would be more pleasing to my ears than hearing more 'scripture'..
lol
HikariHime29 2 years ago 2
1Cor:1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
Prov:17:28: Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
Typical theist response. Nonbelievers taking the Bible out of context to come up with a different message. The entire parable Mark relates is about the benefits of believing like salvation and special powers:
Mark 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. (KJV)
moonsunfirelyte 2 years ago
I agree. God gives those guys enough rope to hang themselves with.
They seek for something that "appears to be ambiguous" when it is simply misapplied without consideration of the context, who it is written to, and for what time line, and for what purpose's.
They think they are being funny, but all they do, is bring further condemnation to themselves.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
This was a really good video. 2 Tim. 2:15 is removed from every single bible except from the kjv. Clarence Larkin did an excellent book on dispensational truth and it has helped me tremendously.
Ruckmanite1611 2 years ago
Take only what agrees.
DeathParrot 2 years ago
Not at all. Take what OVERWHELMINGLY AGREES, and then look carefully at the context with more ambiguous text.
kjvonly01 2 years ago
All of this is the reason I belive that people of any religion should live as an athiest. By this I mean praise God for this life he has givin us, and if you are Christian, praise Christ for the slavation he gave us, but don't read the bible, follow life by what is right, and what is right and wrong is not a very objective idea. But following these books of religions perverts the following of God.
TheCapstanShanty 2 years ago
kjvonly01, you're amazing! lol
JuggaLuggaThug 3 years ago
The Tora was in Hebrew, because it was Jewish. The Bible was written in Latin I believe.
poofer89 3 years ago
The scriptures, are not a provisional issue, it is a faith issue.
Do you believe these statements.
Ps:138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.
Ps 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Check our modern translations video.
kjvonly01 3 years ago
We will have to pick this up later my friend, I'm off to work.:)
kjvonly01 3 years ago
I thought you said you had a problem understanding?
What Old English word would you have put in, that makes more sense?
"Ye" is 'You" when adhering to the idiom of the Old English language, why are you trying to complicate something that was made so simple?
kjvonly01 3 years ago
ok ok i got one. if god influenced the writers of the bible, why didn't he give them the power to make a second version that was in modern day English, i mean hes all knowing, so he would know the main language we speak and the time of the most non believers, so he could of instructed the writers to make modern English versions, so we wouldn't have these piece of crap translations. that would be pretty impressive right?
element1988 3 years ago
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
8For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
That's plain English.
kjvonly01 3 years ago
So-called contradictions by atheists are generally caused by
1. Cherry-picking a specific translation and ignoring the original language; you can see this whenever atheists talk about the 'thou shalt not kill' and how it supposedly "contradicts" other portions of the Bible
coblackmagus 3 years ago
2. Ignoring the context--nonbelievers do this all the time. As far as the poison drinking goes, I'm pretty sure believers were given many powers (such as the ability to heal the sick) to 'prove' whether or not they were for real. I'm pretty sure these powers disappeared when the New Testament was finished and the early church firmly established, as there was no longer any need for them.
coblackmagus 3 years ago
Yes, there is need of those powers and missionaries experience them all the time. So do other Christians, but you learn pretty quickly to keep it to yourself because other Christians will not believe you any more than they believe Rhoda when she told them that Peter was at the door, or any more than they believed Mary Magdalene when she told them that Jesus had risen from the dead. Oh, ye of little faith.
piszczeck 2 years ago
Okay, I've recently reconsidered and changed my mind on this issue. Even so, this doesn't change the fact that the VAST majority of such claims are hoaxes made by people trying to puff themselves up. I still think there is a very unhealthy obsession with tongues and other such nonsense in the charismatic movement.
coblackmagus 2 years ago
You're wrong. If you're not a Charismatic or a Pentecostal, you're not qualified to comment on what their motives are because you don't know. You don't know "the vast majority" of Christians who pray in tongues, or how humble they are. You're generalizing. I personally don't know anybody who ever cared to puff themselves up, and I don't personally know anybody who ever had an unhealthy obsession with tongues, and I'd be careful, if I were you, about labeling any move of God "nonsense."
piszczeck 2 years ago
The above comment was to "coblackmagus." And why would any Christian want to refer to themselves as a "black magus"???
piszczeck 2 years ago
Rom:1:22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1: The transgression of the wicked saith within my heart, that there is no fear of God before his eyes.
2: For he flattereth himself in his own eyes, until his iniquity be found to be hateful.
3: The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.
4: He deviseth mischief upon his bed; he setteth himself in a way that is not good; he abhorreth not evil.
kjvonly01 3 years ago
Since the bible claims to be the word of god itself - how can you, as a mere mortal, decide what was meant how and what is to be seen as "ambiguous"? Just cherry-picking the parts of the bible that you like and discarding the ones you don't like is not a honest endeavour is it?
Warsel 3 years ago 4
What do you care?
You're a God hating Bible denier anyway.
You don't deserve an answer, and Jesus gave me instruction concerning your foolish line of questioning.
Here is what he says.
Mt:7:6: Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
Prov:14:7: Go from the presence of a foolish man, when thou perceivest not in him the lips of knowledge
kjvonly01 3 years ago
I love your work brother!
armandosainz 3 years ago
So your a 20 year old expert, and think you know what I preach.
Bring on your scriptures young man. Lets go toe to toe to see, who knows the book.
kjvonly01 3 years ago
Why is my age important?
JiubLink 3 years ago 3
You either take it all into stone, or you believe nothing of it. God made it all perfect and all clear, and he made all of us so we could understand it perfectly.
NotDarek 3 years ago
"he made all of us so we could understand it perfectly"
really? every person in china that died before the "scripture" was available to them, according to the bible, went to hell because the "word of god" was not available to them.
not to mention other countries.
justPLAINolEZ 3 years ago
Rom:1:22: Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom:1:20: For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom:2:15: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
kjvonly01 3 years ago
By the way, no such quote as "he made all of us so we could understand it perfectly", was ever given on this video.
Nothing that even sounds like it on this video.
kjvonly01 3 years ago
Please tell me sir, why is it just not clear? God knows that this book can be read and interpreted in a million different ways. Why is it up to us to decipher the correct answer? In something that is supposed to be taken as truth and nothing but the truth, wouldn't it be good practice to make it as clear and unambiguous as possible?
Iceman22742 3 years ago
It is clear, and interpretations belong to God, not man.
We do not decipher, we read, and believe. When we see that Christ spake specifically to Jews under the Old Testament, and qualifies his remarks, there is nothing to interpret. We believe it, and DO NOT confirm that he was speaking to Gentiles.
But an unclear ambiguous passage, is what a cultist will use to build a false argument against sound unambiguous passages.
2Tm:2:15
kjvonly01 3 years ago
All I want to know is WHY ambiguous passages exist in the first place. To make me think? And to say "Because God wanted it to be so" can only perceived as nonsense in my opinion. Sort of like the line you said earlier on this comment list: "According to God, he is omnipotent." He because he said so? Really?
Iceman22742 3 years ago
I appreciate what your saying. The problem here is that the Bible has 1140 chapters. If you carried on a conversation for that length of time, absolutely anyone could randomly take an isolated portion of your conversation, and twist it to read whatever they want.
How many times have you been taken out of context in a short conversation.
The Devil builds on this, "Yeah, hath God said" mentality, like he did in the Garden, when he deceived Eve in the garden.
But the book itself, is rock solid.
kjvonly01 3 years ago
Kjvonly01 is right, you do NOT take the bible in a literal meaning for every word-for-word.
The bible has been written in many different genres, the Earth was not created in 6 days.
The bible was written for and to a people of less scientific civilization. If we told them that the earth was created 4.6 billion years ago they would be just as confused as us, believing that the world was really created in 6 days.
kennycalif 3 years ago
That was my friend Andy's muscle car.
No because you cannot be a professional, and use tame language, I will remove this post, and you will be blocked.
kjvonly01 3 years ago
Can God create a rock so heavy, he himself cannot lift it ?
Either way, he is not omnipotent, think about it.
I dare anyone satysfactionably answer this question.
neveSykcuL 3 years ago
According to God, he is omnipotent.
Rv:19:6: And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.
Rom:3:4: God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
kjvonly01 3 years ago
nice
Giblinono 3 years ago
he can say anything, it doesn't necessarily mean its true
killblade99 3 years ago
I didn't say it, God did. Here is the verse.
2Tm:2:15: Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
16: But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
kjvonly01 3 years ago
Sure. I imagine there were a lot of rocks on earth that Jesus couldn't lift.
tempusfugit68 3 years ago
Dear neveSkycuL,
Mark 10:27
And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible.
KJV Think about it.
JimQualls 2 years ago
I'm only just getting to grips with, is it called 'dispensations'? Where did I read 'The Bible isn't all for us, but it's all to us'? Now I understand why we have to study to show ourselves approved. Thanks brother Tim, as always, you give a clear presentation.
vivienlizzie 3 years ago