Huh? She never once got into the question of patrilineal descent. Did you even see the movie? She was upset that her granddaughter married out period, regardless of the fact that her grandchildren would still be halachically Jewish.
Stick to your own people, or at least thsoe similar to you, for everyone's sake. It's better that way. Families stay together, kids have less identity issues, etc. I recommend that to everyone.
This movie proves why it's best to marry your own or at least something similar to your own, be it culture, race, religion, etc. the problems like in this video from families backs up my statement.
The grandmother doesn't want the family "torn apart" and wants to "sort it out", but she is the one erecting obstacles and demanding everyone jump.
The idea that marrying outside of the Jewish faith is equivalent to decimating Judaism and finishing off Hitler's work is, to me, a surprising statement.
see the movie Valelacerte and we can speak in greater detail. However, although no one should trivialize the pure evil of the Shoah, it is ironic, is it not, that what Hitler wanted as an end result, i.e., a world free of Jews, is exactly what many Jews seem to be content on letting happen.
When you say Jews are admire in the US, are you saying many gentiles want to marry them? I think that goes onyl for whites, as most Asians, Muslims, blacks, Hispanics, etc, don't.
wantign to marry within your cuture is prevalent amongst many cultures. As for bias, IS it racist to say you won't or you don't want your kids to marry Jews b/c they're a different religion than you are? Or if you don't want yourr kdis to marry whties cuz they're a different race?
Not a different race, not an issue of race at all. It is rather an issue of Jews following the mission of the Jews in this world through having Jewish continuation.
Well, many people only want to marry in their own culture, along with religion. How is that prejudiced? Is saying you don't want to marry a Greek person, black person or Jewish person racist? Maybe, but if saying you want to marry only in your ethnicity, maybe not. All people love their culture.
Perhaps this has become nothing more than a question of semantics. If I exclude one or a few different ethnic groups, but allow the possibility of marrying others besides my own, obviously that is bigoted. On the other hand, if I say I want to marry within my group, this may or may not be for positive reasons.
Wishing to marry someone with the same spiritual values is always understandable, claiming to want to marry someone because our ancestors both like to eat the same kind of food seems quite shallow and is USUALLY a pretext for bigotry.
But why would so many non Jews want to marry them, as opposed to blacks, greeks, etc? I think most people want to marry their own, I know I do. I wouldn't marry a person out of my own, and I'm sure most feel the same, no? Everyone should marry their own, Jewish with Jewish, white with white, Greek with greek, etc.
The statistics simply don't support your assertion. The majority of marriages in the US are neither intra-religious, nor intra-ethnic. Also, you are changing your tone if not your tune in this post. The later seemed exclusionary, this less so. In any event, I see no reason to marry within one's ethnic group--no inherent values rest within ethnicity; religion is another story entirely. Not wanting to marry outside one's ethnicity is a sign of provincialism at best, prejudice at worst.
In the past, Jews could rely on anti-Semites to keep them together. Today, this is no longer possible because they are some of the most admired people in America. (See the recent Gallup poll results.) Jews must now find positive ways to keep their children connected to their faith, which is ultimately great for Judaism.
Also, as I have said before, wanting to "marry in" to preserve one's faith is not the same as saying would never marry someone from "X" group.
I could see the problem from the start; the very first moments of this clip. The old lady went through hardships which my grandmother went through as well. Yet somehow my grandparents and millions of other survivors kept their observance on their sleeves! This old lady is standing upon hallowed ground in a pant-suit, which is all fine; but with that she's destroyed her hopes to keeping a Jewish family line. Why the hell should her grandchildren confine themselves to a religion she ignores?
Our post screening discussions always get around to discussing the responsibility all parents have to convey the beauty of their faith to their children. However, Survivors do get a pass given that which they experienced. Some did keep their faith, some did not, but none of us who were not their can judge. Nevertheless, OUT OF FAITH is clearly a cautinary tale . . .
That is my point: of course I'm not ALLOWED to judge. Yes. So skirt the issue; dance around as if upon egg-shells and never submit to the idea that assimilation begins with the rejection of God and His religion. Now: it's her business about how she conducts her life. But let her not complain that her "heritage" is being lost by her grandchildern intermarrying, because there is no heritage. It's all matzah balls and Manischewitz wine! NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE! Everybody has an excuse...
I hope you get to a screening of our film, with me in attendance. I am sure you will find we are basically on the same page. My point above is that when it comes to the specific case of a Survivor, we should not have the gayva to think our faith would be as strong as it is living the easy life Hashem has given us if we had faced what He let happen during the Shoah.
You are right. So let her live as she intends. Fine. But then she can't complain about the outcome of her actions. The later choices were HERS. There is no escaping it.
If I knew where the screening is and when it is, I'd endeavor to attend.
I been trying to leave a response earlier but my comments have NOT BEEN POSTED. Anyway all I have to say about "true love" is accepting a person fully for who there are regardless of faith/culture/ethnicity/culture because we are all human beings.
Life is not so simple. For those who place their relationship with G-d above all else, the decision to marry someone whose soul is connected to G-d in a similar fashion is essential. Further, if someone cares about Jewish continuity, to marry someone without thinking about how that decision will impact Jewish survival is the height of selfishness. One is not obligated to care about the survival of any people, but don't claim you do if your actions contradict this assertion.
I assume Tyler is a young person because it at least gives me hope that we might be able to provide him with a moral compass before he makes any important life decisions.
I thought twice about accepting this post. Then I realized I have a duty to confront such ignorance. It is completely inane to compare a belief that the only way to sanctify the most important spiritual union of one's life is to marry another from the same faith with a political ideology of pure evil that led to the murder of approximately 6 million Jews and 14 million other souls. This comparison represents a complete failure of our educational system to help young people weigh moral issues.
The Jews were put away in WWII because of intolerance, and people who cannot let other people be free to live their lives as they wish. This woman wants to impose a similar confinement on her family. What she needs to realize is that you can still remain close to your Jewish roots even if you don't marry within the faith. She cannot reject her great-grandchildren because they are of mixed blood. That just makes her as intolerant as those Nazi assholes that were responsible for the Holocaust.
As a survivor, she should remember all of those "patrilineal" jews who died in those camps, who she would likely not consider jewish.
SepherStar 3 years ago
Huh? She never once got into the question of patrilineal descent. Did you even see the movie? She was upset that her granddaughter married out period, regardless of the fact that her grandchildren would still be halachically Jewish.
lmdeliezer 2 years ago
Why do these people keep thinking that they're gonna die out b/c of a few intermarriages? I certainly don't want to marry a jew. NEVER, EVER.
sspp13 3 years ago
Sometimes I like to approve comments just to show everyone how dumb some people are.
lmdeliezer 2 years ago
Stick to your own people, or at least thsoe similar to you, for everyone's sake. It's better that way. Families stay together, kids have less identity issues, etc. I recommend that to everyone.
sspp13 3 years ago
This movie proves why it's best to marry your own or at least something similar to your own, be it culture, race, religion, etc. the problems like in this video from families backs up my statement.
sspp13 3 years ago
This issue is heart wrenching probably affects almost every Jewish family in one way or another.
I look forward to seeing this movie.
FeivelJay770 3 years ago
The grandmother doesn't want the family "torn apart" and wants to "sort it out", but she is the one erecting obstacles and demanding everyone jump.
The idea that marrying outside of the Jewish faith is equivalent to decimating Judaism and finishing off Hitler's work is, to me, a surprising statement.
Valelacerte 3 years ago
see the movie Valelacerte and we can speak in greater detail. However, although no one should trivialize the pure evil of the Shoah, it is ironic, is it not, that what Hitler wanted as an end result, i.e., a world free of Jews, is exactly what many Jews seem to be content on letting happen.
lmdeliezer 3 years ago
When you say Jews are admire in the US, are you saying many gentiles want to marry them? I think that goes onyl for whites, as most Asians, Muslims, blacks, Hispanics, etc, don't.
shefali13 3 years ago
It means just what I said it means. They are admired, interpret that any way you like.
lmdeliezer 3 years ago
wantign to marry within your cuture is prevalent amongst many cultures. As for bias, IS it racist to say you won't or you don't want your kids to marry Jews b/c they're a different religion than you are? Or if you don't want yourr kdis to marry whties cuz they're a different race?
shefali13 3 years ago
This has become ridiculously circular. Perhaps English is not your first language so you are not following my point. All the best to you.
lmdeliezer 3 years ago
Not a different race, not an issue of race at all. It is rather an issue of Jews following the mission of the Jews in this world through having Jewish continuation.
rafvrab 3 years ago
Well, many people only want to marry in their own culture, along with religion. How is that prejudiced? Is saying you don't want to marry a Greek person, black person or Jewish person racist? Maybe, but if saying you want to marry only in your ethnicity, maybe not. All people love their culture.
shefali13 3 years ago
Perhaps this has become nothing more than a question of semantics. If I exclude one or a few different ethnic groups, but allow the possibility of marrying others besides my own, obviously that is bigoted. On the other hand, if I say I want to marry within my group, this may or may not be for positive reasons.
lmdeliezer 3 years ago
Wishing to marry someone with the same spiritual values is always understandable, claiming to want to marry someone because our ancestors both like to eat the same kind of food seems quite shallow and is USUALLY a pretext for bigotry.
lmdeliezer 3 years ago
But why would so many non Jews want to marry them, as opposed to blacks, greeks, etc? I think most people want to marry their own, I know I do. I wouldn't marry a person out of my own, and I'm sure most feel the same, no? Everyone should marry their own, Jewish with Jewish, white with white, Greek with greek, etc.
shefali13 3 years ago
The statistics simply don't support your assertion. The majority of marriages in the US are neither intra-religious, nor intra-ethnic. Also, you are changing your tone if not your tune in this post. The later seemed exclusionary, this less so. In any event, I see no reason to marry within one's ethnic group--no inherent values rest within ethnicity; religion is another story entirely. Not wanting to marry outside one's ethnicity is a sign of provincialism at best, prejudice at worst.
lmdeliezer 3 years ago
Wat makes them think that gentiels are eager to marry them? many are not, it goes both ways.
shefali13 3 years ago
In the past, Jews could rely on anti-Semites to keep them together. Today, this is no longer possible because they are some of the most admired people in America. (See the recent Gallup poll results.) Jews must now find positive ways to keep their children connected to their faith, which is ultimately great for Judaism.
Also, as I have said before, wanting to "marry in" to preserve one's faith is not the same as saying would never marry someone from "X" group.
lmdeliezer 3 years ago
I could see the problem from the start; the very first moments of this clip. The old lady went through hardships which my grandmother went through as well. Yet somehow my grandparents and millions of other survivors kept their observance on their sleeves! This old lady is standing upon hallowed ground in a pant-suit, which is all fine; but with that she's destroyed her hopes to keeping a Jewish family line. Why the hell should her grandchildren confine themselves to a religion she ignores?
berliozviolist 3 years ago
Our post screening discussions always get around to discussing the responsibility all parents have to convey the beauty of their faith to their children. However, Survivors do get a pass given that which they experienced. Some did keep their faith, some did not, but none of us who were not their can judge. Nevertheless, OUT OF FAITH is clearly a cautinary tale . . .
lmdeliezer 3 years ago
That is my point: of course I'm not ALLOWED to judge. Yes. So skirt the issue; dance around as if upon egg-shells and never submit to the idea that assimilation begins with the rejection of God and His religion. Now: it's her business about how she conducts her life. But let her not complain that her "heritage" is being lost by her grandchildern intermarrying, because there is no heritage. It's all matzah balls and Manischewitz wine! NOTHING SUBSTANTIVE! Everybody has an excuse...
berliozviolist 3 years ago
I hope you get to a screening of our film, with me in attendance. I am sure you will find we are basically on the same page. My point above is that when it comes to the specific case of a Survivor, we should not have the gayva to think our faith would be as strong as it is living the easy life Hashem has given us if we had faced what He let happen during the Shoah.
lmdeliezer 3 years ago
You are right. So let her live as she intends. Fine. But then she can't complain about the outcome of her actions. The later choices were HERS. There is no escaping it.
If I knew where the screening is and when it is, I'd endeavor to attend.
berliozviolist 3 years ago
sign-up for our newsletter at outoffaith(dot)net so we can let you know about upcoming screenings.
lmdeliezer 3 years ago
I been trying to leave a response earlier but my comments have NOT BEEN POSTED. Anyway all I have to say about "true love" is accepting a person fully for who there are regardless of faith/culture/ethnicity/culture because we are all human beings.
oyinade84 4 years ago
Life is not so simple. For those who place their relationship with G-d above all else, the decision to marry someone whose soul is connected to G-d in a similar fashion is essential. Further, if someone cares about Jewish continuity, to marry someone without thinking about how that decision will impact Jewish survival is the height of selfishness. One is not obligated to care about the survival of any people, but don't claim you do if your actions contradict this assertion.
lmdeliezer 4 years ago
I assume Tyler is a young person because it at least gives me hope that we might be able to provide him with a moral compass before he makes any important life decisions.
lmdeliezer 4 years ago
I thought twice about accepting this post. Then I realized I have a duty to confront such ignorance. It is completely inane to compare a belief that the only way to sanctify the most important spiritual union of one's life is to marry another from the same faith with a political ideology of pure evil that led to the murder of approximately 6 million Jews and 14 million other souls. This comparison represents a complete failure of our educational system to help young people weigh moral issues.
lmdeliezer 4 years ago
The Jews were put away in WWII because of intolerance, and people who cannot let other people be free to live their lives as they wish. This woman wants to impose a similar confinement on her family. What she needs to realize is that you can still remain close to your Jewish roots even if you don't marry within the faith. She cannot reject her great-grandchildren because they are of mixed blood. That just makes her as intolerant as those Nazi assholes that were responsible for the Holocaust.
TylerDClow 4 years ago