both the holy bible and holy quran or Lucifer's(satan) books. Both are about the imposter Jesus who is LORD(VISION-OFZEUS IS HA-BA'AL) the head demon of all demons(gods). the word Holy came from the Hebrew name of Lucifer, Heylel, DAY-STAR, THE SUN aka helios in Greek. from which also derive the solar terms holy(holy bible,qur'an), halo(sun-disk), helium and hallowed(halloween). the NAME in Hebrew for the heathen SUN-deity Ba'al (Eng.Lord).
What I find interesting about the video is that the key points of almost all of Bart Ehrman's books is the FACT that humans wrote the books and made mistakes that were handed down by either oral tradition or slips of the pen. Now, if you look under the video and hit the 'Interactive Transcript' button, you'll see dozens of mistakes that are made as this simple fifteen-minute-long chat takes place. Imagine what would happen with a discussion more than a hundred times longer!
Is there an assumption that the church 'fathers' had it wrong, or had less than honest intentions? Can this assumption be placed on any commentator today, such as the three in this video? Is it possible the church 'fathers' had it correct in evaluating the manuscripts as to their validity of inspiration?
who write the bible first question? yeah the men. who are changing the frases, leave parte away , yeah the men . why have the modern bible not a lot ofrases about female?? the men leave this parts away ,, the men want power . bible like year1626 there a better clear informacion, then you can read what the men did?? cheat and liars... ,,, so men changed the truth ,,,, but gos see all the untruth,, praise the lord. read the diferents ,, and shocking what men did? isnt the new bible a form gay ????
I heard alot of talk about contradictions in the bible with no specific examples presented. When you present an argument with no facts to back it up, you are just stating your opinion.I am currently researching this topic and would like to know where your getting your information, and what contradictions you are talking about.Thank you.
A man who calls himself devote but can be swayed and become agnostic because of falsity in research was NEVER truly a believer. I don't doubt that he believes what he wrote but I know that god exists. Not because I read the bible but because of the changes that have happened and the MIRACLES that happen. Explain away miraculous healing? Deja Vu? Oh wait...
For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, none will be enough. People argue about this like nothing else. A
@TheMW2T -haha that's such a common argument Christian's use "he never was a believer". how do you know? How do you define a believer? Can you get inside their mind and see if they were really a believer or not? Doubt is something that strikes all of us at some time or another. Even Biblical characters felt doubt, except in their case God spoke to them and proved His existence. Since that doesn't happen to most people now, they lose faith, it's not that suprising really.
@TheMW2T Miraculous healing has never been proved or video taped, That is like me saying "The flying spaghetti monkey is real because spaghetti appears on my front lawn every day so long as no one is there and you cannot disprove it." You can not say i know xxxxxx it is you believe or have faith in xxxxxx.
@MatthewPalumbo William Lane Craig...LOL! Bart D. Ehrman does not get destroyed at all...William Lane Craig is good at performing "MENTAL GYMNASTICS" for the believer & that is about it. Bart D. Ehrman is concerned with the TRUTH not performing MENTAL GYMNASTICS to perserve the false idea the Bible is without error...BIG DIFFERENCE! Reality vs Fantasy.
When a work outright contradicts itself, you HAVE to pick and choose. Is faith alone enough to get you into heaven, or is salvation obtained by works. Or do you have to do both?
@MacabreManifesto theres no literal heaven and hell. these are states of conciousness. theres earth, skies, universes, galaxies, species of life, and human error, reincarnation, and physical/spiritual evolution. When men stops fighting over religion, and worrying over hell, then he will be free to focus on things that matter most, like service to humanity, love to all living things, family matters, spiritual growth, etc.... you are where your heart is.
@MacabreaManifesto The idea of fiery hell/heaven has allowed leaders/teachers to use fear to control humankind, and for monetary gain. It has brought "hell" to earth. Has it ever really corrected the sin problem, or th evils in the world? No. Because fear brings anger, anger brings hate and division and strife. Well, you get the idea. If people relinquish this idea of seperation (holy people vs evil people, black vs white, country vs country) it will change the world to a heavenly place.
The bible is man made as well as the Quran of course your going to have mistakes da... If there was a god why the hell would a god inspire some desert people to write the dam thing no way is that logical.
The young turks, wen are u going to have a video proving Mohammed was a child molester who raped a 9yr old girl, Sick minded muslims.
You dont even have a life style with all that cussing, i know wat a muslim believes in islam is absolutely NOTHING!!! Have u ever seen a Christian with the Koran to prove the Bible is true, unlike muslims who carry the bible around to prove their PATHETIC religion
@What160 EASY! I don't claim to be an expert on this shit...from my understanding it was 12, but I think we both know it probably wasn't even real. I agree that any and all religion in ANY FORM is just plain nonsense. And the only thing I would ever try to prove with a "holy book" is that they are full of contridictions and twisted and vile. There's no doubt that in earlier Muslim culture, sex with young women just wasn't an issue. Now that they are trying to "reach the West", they've conformed
@What160 (continued) to conform to our superior views of morality. But please don't think that I am in ANY WAY trying to suppory Muhhamid or any other religious bullshit! To these people, sex with a child isn't an issue VS. their god. Nothing can be wrong if their book tells them otherwise in their eyes. I don't care what the age was, THEIR IS NO GOD!
You should ask him to let you place your finger in the Holy wounds. Then you could say because thou hast seen him, thou hast believed.
(5 months ago)KenDyerJr:
@endabutler You've seen Jesus? where is the evidence for Jesus? There is no logical basis to believe in Jesus Christ. That is completely unreasonable and irrational.
lol'd at this guy completely missing the point, proving mine and getting 11 thumbs up. Blessed art thou indeed. Also, whats with the ads sir?
@karapovwood Jesus IS the lie that the bible tells. Just how Muhammid and Allah are the LIES that the quran spouts. And I don't care if I mis-spelled it.
THE PROBLEM IS: NO ONE HAS ANY PROOF OF THE BIBLES ORIGIN. FOR ALL WE KNOW, IT WAS THE FIRST EVER FICTIONAL NOVEL, WHEN MAN FIRST LEARNED TO CREATE STORIES.
The Bible seems like it contadicts itself because it was written by many different people. Take it like this, you take 5 people and show them a video. When it's over have them write about the video. Study all the papers and see if you don't find some stuff that contadicts itself, when you know they all watched the same thing. That's what happened in The Bible. God told them and showed them stuff, and then they told their interpretations of what they seen and heard.
the bible is sick hosea 13:16 because she has rebelled against god they shall fall by the sword. their little ones dashed to peices and their preagnat women ripped open jeremiah 3:2 like an arab in the wilderness you have polluted the land
numbers 31:17 kill every male among the little ones and kill every woman who has known by lying with a man but all young girls who have not known by lying with him keep for your self
Of Course There Are Contradictions In The Bible God Is A Zen Master.
And Second God Tells You There Are Mistakes In There. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,2 timothy 3:16
he who is without sin,let him throw the first stone...judgement day will clear it all....and then they will weep,as a mother weeps for her child...u will see.
Ive seen an 800 year old bible. written in hebrew. Just cant see God but he is there, you cant see air but u breath it. SO i beleive in air. i beleive in God. i also beleive in the Devil but i dont worship him. Read Revalations. the twin towers are in there. he dont call them the twi towers or new york b/c it was a vision 2000 years ago. it talks about the all the boats at sea watching it burn and everything. and if u look back at the vids of the twin towers all the boats in the sea. thats it :)
@TheZimmy84 anyone can take anything said about any religion and make it sound like BS! EXAMPLE......800 year old bible is old but still not the time of "JESUS"!
2)I do breath air i don't see. SCIENCE tells me that! How do I know its air I'm breathing. SOMEBODY TOLD US!
I'm not trying to fight on youtube over effing religion just saying i could go through any post and contradict what they say.
Sorry i'm just showing my friend how easy it is. Your post was just a random pick. No offense!!
I lost interest as soon as he said there is "solid evidence" for Jesus. To ALL Christians: Send me some PROOF for Jesus. You know, as in EVIDENCE. And before you waste my time with Josephus, Suetonious, Tacitus, Pliny, and all the other NON-contemporary probable forgeries for "sources" that Christians typically provide, please see my videos on the subject. If you don't want to sit thru the videos at least read the side bar and the blog I wrote.
@KenDyerJr what videos??i am willing to watch them.what about the reliability of paul.and the how he is backed up by historians clement,polycarp ignatius??i will like to learn more.send me some videos dogg
@endabutler You've seen Jesus? where is the evidence for Jesus? why are there 40 Jesus characters who came before Jesus? They're all myths, but the one who came last, the one who is the LEAST original is a real person? Horus, Dionysus, Attis, Mithra, Krishna, the list goes on folks. NO EVIDENCE for JESUS + Massive Evidence for PLAGIARISM = MYTH. There is no logical basis to believe in Jesus Christ. That is completely unreasonable and irrational.
@KenDyerJr Do you really think that the Jews, who revolved their lives around their faith, and grew up in Rome were many gods and myths were well known, would seriously abandon their faith for the very myths and idols that they preached against?
@belipo Does this PROVE SOMETHING? Or are you just blowing hot air? Show me some EVIDENCE for Jesus Christ. And explain the numerous deities who predate the Bible who have life stories virtually IDENTICAL to Jesus Christ. 16 of them were crucified and resurrected three days later. Not much originality in the Bible's Jesus myth I don't think.
@KenDyerJr Im saying that it is illogical to think that the Jews of Rome at that time would abandon their beliefs for common myths of the time. Do you agree or disagree with what I am saying? For further reading you can read these:
w w w. reasonablefaith. org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6813
w w w. reasonablefaith. org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5391
Also please list the myths that you speak of. If you would mind messaging me that would be great. We could duscuss this more in depth
@belipo And your point is WHAT? Does that prove Jesus to be a real person? The Bible to be TRUE? Your point is POINTLESS. The FACTS are that pretty much the entire Bible is REHASHED MYTHOLOGY and VERIFIED as such!! Nothing can change that!! Most of the contents can be traced back to ancient myths that came long BEFORE!! Creation, Moses, Jonah, Cane and Abel, Adam and Eve, Jesus Christ, Noah, etc etc. Nothing ORIGINAL about any of it!! Does your question change that? NO.
@KenDyerJr Im sorry sir, but until you get a second opinion aside from zeitgeist, you will be stuck in that mind set. I would recomend some scholarly material where there has been exhaustive research done on the subject. The link that I have provided you with should get you started.
@KenDyerJr -that is so true, it's funny how in Christian school in Bible class they never even try to debunk all the other myths that have similar Jesus like figures. It's because they know they can't.
I am glad leftists have dropped the whole "we are open minded and compassionate" routine. With the baby murdering they are SO fond of, we kind of knew that liberal "compassion" was just a lie.
So, let's be clear. Leftists HATE America, what it was designed to be, and every aspect of the Christian faith. This video shows that Liberalism itself is a religion. A religion that is almost all about governmental control of all people. Amoral, Fascistic, and totally controlling everyone.
" This video shows that Liberalism itself is a religion. A religion that is almost all about governmental control of all people. Amoral, Fascistic, and totally controlling everyone."
I am not interested in your political views, this isnt the page for it, nor is this our discussion. However the irony is that you represent a religion that was solely spread through governmental control. "Go to church or lose your land and risk being burned and killed, is what the early church said"
I am completely happy with the Gospels. I know them quite well, and their historical accuracy is astounding, and well proved. You can't tell this to YouTube skeptics in comment boxes, and YouTube skeptics are not willing to buy the books and study.
"I am completely happy with the Gospels. I know them quite well, and their historical accuracy is astounding, and well proved. You can't tell this to YouTube skeptics in comment boxes, and YouTube skeptics are not willing to buy the books and study."
1. You can be happy with the Gospels, no one says you can't. But should you?
2. What historical accuracy is astounding about the Gospels? The dead coming to life and walking the streets visiting with love ones? Explain how this is true?
You know that is not a historical fact. You mean to tell me that only one Gospel records this astounding event? The romans and other people around in the city, you mean no one else reported this?.
If the dead ever got up and walked the streets it would be a major part of world history, not just one gospel.
If the dead had NOT got up and walked the streets, then everyone would have immediately rejected the faith! Paul writes letters to a church in the area and talks about Jesus resurrection, and says, "some of you saw this with your own eyes, and are alive to this day and remember it."
"If the dead had NOT got up and walked the streets, then everyone would have immediately rejected the faith!"
What bible have you been reading? I suggest you read your scriptures again, no disrespect intended.
Christian faith isn't based on the dead people getting up and walking the streets. Paul says, "If Christ has not risen then our preaching is in vain," only Christ's resurrection matters.
You honestly believe that the dead people all got out their graves and walked the streets? Find me another source that reports this this event besides the Gospel of Matthew.
If a bunch of dead people came out the graves and walked the streets and lots of people saw them as the Gospel claims, then im sure the Romans would have reported it, and especially the Jews, heck they even have written account about having Jesus crucified, and you think they missed this event?
"Paul writes letters to a church in the area and talks about Jesus resurrection, and says, "some of you saw this with your own eyes, and are alive to this day and remember it."
Paul appealed to WITNESSES who saw it."
1. Paul was not an witness to anything, and he never, ever, met Jesus. The only thing we have is Paul's own testimony that says Jesus spirit talked to him on the road to Damascus--His own testimony in Acts contradicts itself--changes every time he tells it
Because Paul includes a few different details in what happened to him, does NOT make it a contradiction. Paul was the most learned man in that area, and was a huge persecutor of Christians. He had a conversion experience, and soon after that, His letters written to different churches were immediately accepted as the Word of God. There has been no challenge concerning His apostleship in 2000 years.
I'll give you another one that you can't explain and further more gives less credibility to the evidence for the resurrection.
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:4-5:
"4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5And that he was seen of Cephas (Peter), then of the twelve:"
Ummmm.......Excuse me, but what 12 disciples did Jesus reappear too? Judas was dead already, so there was only 11.
Paul is including Himself. And remember the point Paul is making is that hundreds of people saw Jesus alive AFTER His crucifixion and Paul says that "most of them are still alive". Now I have a question for you. Did you become concerned about this verse from just reading the Bible, OR did you find on some skeptic website???
Paul was not including himself in the 12 who saw Jesus right after the resurrection, he is referring to the disciples. His statement is just and inaccuracy that can't be accounted for--too obviously, and there is no question of it being an error.
Paul didnt even know, or meet Jesus during his ministry, nor did he after the resurrection. Paul didnt even meet the disciples until after his conversion a few yrs later as the book of Acts tells it.
In the book of Acts it clearly tells you that when PAul approached the disciples after his conversion they knew him not and didnt believe he was a disciple and were afraid of him.
I think you need to go read the NT again, and stop asking me if I get my info from skeptic sites.
Actually I noticed these errors reading my bible as a Christian, and what I suspected was brought up again during my historical NT studies classes in college.
@jdnmlm - You should pick up Michael Wood's book, The Hidden Bible. The contradictions will be explained. Not in support of the contradictions, but why they are there.
The contradictions are there because it's not an inspired book, it's just a book written by men with errors made by men. We could make a truly flawless bible with modern technology, if a god inspired it, then I'm not impressed.
@jdnmlm - Depends on how you look at inspired writings. Some believe inspired writings should have no errors. Some believe inspired writings can be inspired writing with errors considering that the instruments doing the writings are fallible. Nonetheless, the bible was changed in certain places to support certain beliefs. Read The Jerome Conspiracy by Michael Wood. The Hidden Bible by Michael Wood is even better.
"You can't tell this to YouTube skeptics in comment boxes, and YouTube skeptics are not willing to buy the books and study."
I guess this is your comment directed to me.
First off, I am not a youtube skeptic. Second, I have study Christianity, Islam, and parts of other religions in college. Funny how you assume that you are the only one who has read the Gospels or studied Christianity after you meet opposition.
Erhmann is THE go to guy for Muslims, Anti-Christs, Atheists, etc. So, on this video, don't be surprised if Muslims show up in the comment section. I am a Christian, I have Bart's books, listened to HOURS of his speeches, and The man has not even put a dent in the classic, historic Christian faith.
If you had video TAPE of the Resurrection of Jesus, Bart would find a way to reject it as evidence!!!!
4. Have you not considered that the Gospels don't even agree on the details of the resurrection?
You know in court a testimony would be thrown out and you'd lose the case based on faulty evidence. Can we do this to the Gospels, does the same common sense logic that we apply in everyday life be applied when looking at scripture, or whatever is considered to be. Why does common sense and logic go out the window when concerning religious beliefs?
1 you and I KNOW that IF the gospels agreed on every detail, skeptics would have written entire books on how the gospels were a fraud. Police interrogators would be brought in to explain how people who lie rehearse their stories and repeat it word for word. 2. the other extreme on that is wild, major discrepencies, which we don't have in the gospels. 3 What we DO have is what you would NATURALLY EXPECT if you just had four men honestly telling you about their three years with Jesus.
"1 you and I KNOW that IF the gospels agreed on every detail, skeptics would have written entire books on how the gospels were a fraud. "
I totally agree with you about skeptics not being satisfied no matter what; however, Bart didn't start as a skeptic, he was a devout Christian student interested in the history of his religion, so he doesn't fall into that category--he may now, but he didn't when he began his journey. BE fair, and consider he had no reason to doubt until after
"What we DO have is what you would NATURALLY EXPECT if you just had four men honestly telling you about their three years with Jesus."
This statement I do not agree with. Historically, more than likely these Gospels weren't written by any of Jesus's disciples. MArk wasn't a disciple, Luke definitely wasn't a disciple, Matthew, I doubt wrote that gospel because it was in greek and he spoke Aramaic, John didn't right the Gospel of John, the writer tells you this at the end of it.
Erhmann has released the SAME book with three different titles! He also LIES in this video about the Bible concerning the authors of the books of the New Testament. Notice Young JERKS are totally clueless about the Bible.
At 1:30 on the video: "Some books claiming to be written by Paul, were NOT written by Paul".
Erhmann is VERY careful to present you with long winded complaints while leaving out critical facts that make his arguments meaningless.
Erhmann has ZERO proof, or EVIDENCE that books of the Bible were "forgeries"! All he does is just tighten the rules of evidence that HE allows, until nothing gets through! It is an old trick, and the OPPOSITE of searching for the truth.
"At 1:30 on the video: "Some books claiming to be written by Paul, were NOT written by Paul"
That isn't a lie, that is a fact. It is fact that at least 7 of the letter accredited to Paul were not actually written by him. It is believed that people wrote in his name so that the letter could carry weight. Take an NT historical studies class and you'll learn that too.
I mena if you are just wanting to look at the bible from an subjective inspirational point of view then you can hold the beliefs that all labeled letters were written by the author named, but, that isn't historically true unfortunately.
The 4 Gospels in the NT were even anonymous originally, and names were not added to them until later, and things like this are historical facts.
YOU are getting YOUR information from people who are AGAINST Christianity. If I want to learn about getting an Apple computer, do I call up a PC company and get info from them??? Erhmann is NOT scholarship, He is the OPPOSITION. you wish for scholarship without buying books, then go to Monergismdot com.
Things like later added fabricated verses eg. 1 John5:7 There are 3 that bear witness in heaven; or the account of Jesus stopping the lady from being stoned; all the verses after Mark16:8 are also fabrications.
They know because they have uncovered older documents which don't have those verses or names on them etc. Valid credible verses would be the earliest and when the earliest doesn't agree with what we have then, the conclusion is "fabrication."
1 John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven the father the word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one! God is three but he is one as he is a spirit and not flesh as we are but even we have a triune body one soul a spirit and a body.
Why quote 1 John 5:7, do you not know this has already been discovered to be a fabrication?
Oh, and if you believe that none of the bible is a fabrication then I challenge you to take the MArk 16:17-18 challenge and drink the poison and survive as it says true believers will be able to do.
you bunch of foolish Nazis! You Antichrists! FOOLS! The bible is written be many men over thousands of years its not the writers that are the writers of the bible but God himself who wrote but the inspiration he put in these men! I could argue t his foolish man on the radio I want to expose him for the fool that he is! Lets publicly have a discussion I have many proof! For one Genesis 6 proven by Giant bones found. Also Exodus has many medical procedures not yet conceived for thousands of years
No story friend this is the truth and you can be saved! You can have rest in God you don't have to be an enemy of God! You are deeply troubled and tormented in your soul I can perceive this and I say for you there is rest and forgiveness and renewal in Christ Jesus!
The whole religion thing should be thrown to the trash by now. And the dangerous thing is, still in 2010 they want to make laws based on the bible..... How could that be????
this is the title of the video "Muhammad discovered in the Bible " ya christian and even jew or muslim should check it out ... for those who still don't believe that our prophet was not mentioned by name in the bible
@TheKitab5 foolishliar! It is a peace of man for the surah to call wives like enemies and to instruct husbands to beat their wives? A CHILD MOLESTER MUHAMMED IS A MERCY TO GOD? No Jesus warned us of false prophets who deny him. Jesus himself said that he was going to be resurrected! Jesus himself alluded to this many times! Jesus himself condemned false prophets. Jesus himself spoke of Satan as the angel of light! These are just liars with no opposing viewpoints proof of false teachers!
Let's ask the ultimate question, just be obervation of your actions and words, are you really following christ?Muslims always say I seek refuge in God from satan. So you might want to try saying this before you speak.
Thousands of muslims have memorized the same Qur'an. The same words as over 1400 years ago. How me how is it possible that people memorize a WHOLE book. That is a miracle. See how long the Qur'an is.
God says in the Quran that the moon split. Scientists have only recently discovered this on when they first landed on the moon. Look for yourself, search on google and look for pictures of the proof. There is no way a man could have known this over 1400 years ago. The Qur'an is the words of God.
@NoorminAllah NOT A MIRACLE THEY FORCE CHILDREN TO DO IT! THEY RAISE THEM UP AND FORCE THEM TO REMEMBER THE WHOLE QURAN AND IF THEY DON"T THEY DIE! THEY WILL DIE! THEY WILL DIE BY BEING MURDERED! WICKED FOOLS MORE PEOPLE HAVE REMEMBERED THE BIBLE! BESIDES THE QURAN HAS BEEN PROVEN FALSE BY MAN FALSE STATEMENTS THIS AGNOSTIC HAS NO RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE WORD BECAUSE HE IS BLIND AND FOOLISH! HE WASN"T EVER WALKING IN THE SPIRIT PROBABLY HE MAY NEVER HAVE BEEN! CURSE THIS LIAR! DEBATE ME YOU FOOL
Let me write again and say that it amazes me that more than a billion still believe in the bible and proclaim that it is from God when the bible is loaded with mistakes and contradictions...! Someone wrote that paul is not contradicting Matthew as if Matthew is Jesus but let me tell you, Paul contradicts Jesus and if he contradicts the master, he is contradicting Matthew, mark, Luke and John.
How could the bible be from God when it is loaded with so many mistakes and contradictions....!!!???
Well, the last testament (Holy Quraan) tells us that the bible is full of errors and that we should use the Quraan to verify if what the bible is saying is right or not. The Quraan is the last and final message of God to all mankind and it is free from errors and contradictions. I have no idea why people want to stick to a book which is full of errors and in contradiction with sciences...! The Quraan is the only reliable, error-free book of God and we all should read it.
your own book says that Jesus created a bird. But it also says no one else besides allah can create even a fly. sounds like your own book proclaims Jesus divinity.
no it says that no one besides allah can create even a fly. In Islam Judaism and Christianity creation is somthing unique to God. Nobody else can do it. This is just one of the qurans many contradictions or they acknowledge that Jesus Is The Creator.
yes it does, God explain many times in the Quran, all the miracles the prophets did (every prophet) was by God Permission, if God didnt allowed it would not happen. Quran never say Jesus pbuh create something by his will but by God will (God Permission), same as Muhammad pbuh,
Jesus pbuh say : I MYSELF CAN DO NOTHING, ONLY GOD HAVE POWER OF ALL THINGS.
dont close your eyes and deny the word of Jesus pbuh, just because it contradict your belief,
He never denied worship. In matthew 2:11, 9:2, and 9:18 were three occasions when He was worshipped and He never said: I am not God dont worship me. n how do u expect me to believe a book that was written like 500 yrs later than the Bible about Jesus. Wouldnt you agree that the ppl who were alive for Jesus earthly ministry would know Him better than whoever wrote the quran.
paul wrote the bible 300 years after Jesus pbuh go to heaven,
Jesus pbuh say: WORSHIP MY GOD AND YOUR GOD, MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER ALONE.
there is no such thing as: worship my god and me and the holy spirit, but wait i am god and sometimes i am the son of god(me), so i am my son and the father(me) at the same time, i sent myself to earth, and i worship myself also but wait i am the son, why would i worship my father??? ahhhhhhhh
ur imam lied to u paul wrote it in the same generation. actually study The Bible and ull find out that Paul met with Peter who wuz Jesus disciple. N we both know that peter wuz not 300 yrs old.
Jesus replied, "The Scriptures say, 'You must worship the LORD your God and serve only him.'"
The Bible is full of contradiction such as the one I have posted. This is the reason that many people will not accept it as divine revelation, God is perfect and therefore does not contradict himself or make a mistake, man on the other hand does.
Also you should note that early people and prophets (mentioned in the Bible) did not pray to Jesus, they prayed to God.
I think your confused as to what a contradiction is. "Jesus can say worship The Lord your God "and still be talking about Himself. It would be a contradiction if He said " Worship The Lord your God not me" but He didnt say that. I pointed out a clear contradiction. It says Jesus created a bird but in a different scripture it says only allah can create. n answer me this, how come in the Genesis account of creation God says "WE have created man in OUR image and after OUR likeness."
The Quran is extremely clear in its position of Prophets being able to preform miracles with God's leave.
Also I had already seen someone post a reply to your supposed contradiction. Why would you stick to worn out and failed arguments instead of embracing truth?
Also claiming that God had been selected from any one race is a form of racism. Lets say Jesus was born in Africa or China, the people would then look at this factor and determine that God had preferred one race above another. Peace
God came from the jews because He established His covenant with them. N u talk of embracing truth compare Jesus and muhammed. Jesus said " Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" muhammed said "killing disbelievers is a small matter to us." Which one seems like someone you should put your trust in?
However, he never said "I am God worship me either."
Being that the Quran was from God then you claim that it is less truthful because it cam 600 yrs later doesn't matter.
The same can be said about the authenticity of the NT. How do we know it was God inspired, especially with all of it's contradictions and Paul constantly vetoing Jesus commands all through the NT and lying.
So your telling me a book that tells me to kill everyone that doesnt have the same faith is inspired by God? I dont believe that. A book that turns suicide into the only sure way that you will avoid hell. Heaven into a brothel where after you commit suicide 72 virgins will be waiting for you to fulfill you every sexual desire. Also a book that glorifies sex with a nine year old. That is sick.
do not compare actions of mislead political militant Muslim cultist to the religion of Islam. They do not follow Quran.
Am I to associate Christian loony cultist with the teaching of the bible? How about David Koresh, or all the corrupt Christian govern in other countries? How about polegemy ranches?
both the 72 virgins and the aisha story came straight from your own books. Now the fact you dont believe them kind of puzzles me. It says in the hadith she was nine. No where in the Bible does it say that Mary was twelve. It doesnt say anywhere what age she was. They were considered adults at 13. Which makes sense because at 13 many do start puberty not NINE!!!!! you dont know your own facts. No one goes through puberty at nine. what are you talking about?
I do not engage in childish dialogue. Show proof or shut your face. There is nowhere in the Quran that mentions 72 virgins or suicide for paradise. Suicide is a definite invention for HELL.
Im still waiting for you to show me the Chapters and verses of the Quran which says these things.
Provide the verses, or shut your face. I am not interested in your childish, "I watched some youtube videos on Islam" arguments.
I thought that was an occultist teaching? yes I know that Abraham and solomon both had more than one wife. Jesus had to come as a perfect sinless sacrifice. He knew we couldnt save ourselves. So your saying that God couldnt come down as a human if he wanted to? N yes lots daughters thought they would die and wanted to produce children. So they got lot drunk and Lot slept with them.
MAry was 12 yrs old according to the CatholicEncyclopedia online thank you very much. Go see for yourself child.
Aisha wrote about her own relationship with the prophet and told the details thank you very much. She was at the age of puberty when they declared their marriage like anyone else in those days. Find me the chapter verse etc to back your claims.
Fact is MAry was a 12yrs old kid when the holy spirit made her pregnant.
So you dont believe in any other collections of the sayings of muhammad besides the quran???? So your saying the hadith is satanically inspired. I agree with that. So which of the verses are you allowed to believe in out of the quran in your pick and choose theology?
First, off we are allowed up to 4 wives, but I prefer one. Even your bible supports multiple wives, I suggest you read it. Lots of men in your bible had multiple wives. Nowhere in your bible does it say to have only one wife. Provide me the verse.
Im a ex-Christian and I know the book front to back so i'll be waiting on you to provide the verse that doesn't exist.
Genesis 2:18, 23, 24 "And the LORD God said, it is not good that the man should be alone; I will make an help meet for him......And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: they shall be ONE FLESH. N ur childish insults dont hurt me. Bless you in The Name of The Lord Jesus Christ.
Do you have those Quran chapters and verses to back your claim? You made false aqusations against my religion but I have yet to see these things in the Quran.
We talk about nothing else until you provide me proof of your claims. I know my Quran and know these things aren't in it. You are a liar.
Produce your proof or shut your face. Adults provide proof of their claims.
Asturghfullah! How can you say Jesus (a.s.)was god? Jesus prayed to himself? You are saying god got hungry, went to the bathroom, slept-who sustained the world while he did that???, you even say man killed your god.
I also find it very hard to believe that Aisha hit puberty at six. Muhammad had about thirty wives. How come you are only allowed four? allah is not a fair moon god. N I actually read about the quran and muhammed. not jus youtube vids. N I am not catholic sir. But she could have been engaged at twelve. But her and Joseph wouldnt have connsumated her marriage until she was considered a women. 13
provide the chapters and verses. You can shut me up easily by doing that. If there is any talk in the Quran OF suicide for heaven, killing all people of other faiths etc then I will CONVERT BACK TO Christianity.
You are a Christian well here is your chance. CONVERT ME!
Leviticus says that Lot a messenger of God had incest with his daughter while he was drunk. God's messengers don't do those things. May God forgive whoever said that!
8:65 O Apostle! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
8:13 This because they contended against Allah and His Apostle: If any contend against Allah and His Apostle, Allah is strict in punishment.
I read it, and..................ok, now what? I don't know what you were trying to prove by telling me to read the verse.
Are you trying to prove that somehow Islam is evil?
Since Jews and Judaism doesn't accept Jesus as God, are the Jews evil and a bunch of anti-christs too?
If, yes then how do you rationalize this claim, when Jesus was no doubt about it a Jew, and practiced everything the Jews do? Are the Jews going to hell too?
cont Do you really think salvation is based on believing God came as a man and died for you?
How is this even logical? You believe that God, came to earth as a MAn, with the sole purpose to die (basically a suicide mission. you believe God committed suicide) for the things we do wrong? Why does God need to punish himself, for our actions as if it is his fault? That makes no sense. Could you see punishing yourself or your son for something someone else did wrong? NO!
And I can tell you only listen to what you hear and do not study.
First of all, Aisha wasn't 9yrs old, second the virgin MAry begot became pregnant with Jesus at age 12 so what are you saying about God's holy spirit that impregnated her? Are you blasphemously saying God violated a female?
People got married young and had kids young, usually after puberty--different times they lived in--not like now. Joseph was a GROWN MAN when he was about to Marry her at age 12.
Is the bible a divine book?
julio14335 2 weeks ago
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both the holy bible and holy quran or Lucifer's(satan) books. Both are about the imposter Jesus who is LORD(VISION-OFZEUS IS HA-BA'AL) the head demon of all demons(gods). the word Holy came from the Hebrew name of Lucifer, Heylel, DAY-STAR, THE SUN aka helios in Greek. from which also derive the solar terms holy(holy bible,qur'an), halo(sun-disk), helium and hallowed(halloween). the NAME in Hebrew for the heathen SUN-deity Ba'al (Eng.Lord).
YahuwshuaTruth 2 months ago
there is evidence Jesus existed !! YESSSS thank you LORD!! praise the Lord
KingDcome11 2 months ago
@KingDcome11 Do you have it.
MrBiblecontradiction 2 months ago
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@MrBiblecontradiction what? Do I have what?
KingDcome11 2 months ago
solid evidence jesus existed??????what
faness1 4 months ago
What I find interesting about the video is that the key points of almost all of Bart Ehrman's books is the FACT that humans wrote the books and made mistakes that were handed down by either oral tradition or slips of the pen. Now, if you look under the video and hit the 'Interactive Transcript' button, you'll see dozens of mistakes that are made as this simple fifteen-minute-long chat takes place. Imagine what would happen with a discussion more than a hundred times longer!
thespis2717 6 months ago
Is there an assumption that the church 'fathers' had it wrong, or had less than honest intentions? Can this assumption be placed on any commentator today, such as the three in this video? Is it possible the church 'fathers' had it correct in evaluating the manuscripts as to their validity of inspiration?
musiquemaquer 9 months ago
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AVanover5 10 months ago
people jesus existed , he was a messenger of god not god . dont read corrrupted bible ,,read koran
izlamiztruth 11 months ago
who write the bible first question? yeah the men. who are changing the frases, leave parte away , yeah the men . why have the modern bible not a lot ofrases about female?? the men leave this parts away ,, the men want power . bible like year1626 there a better clear informacion, then you can read what the men did?? cheat and liars... ,,, so men changed the truth ,,,, but gos see all the untruth,, praise the lord. read the diferents ,, and shocking what men did? isnt the new bible a form gay ????
MultiSolucion 1 year ago
I heard alot of talk about contradictions in the bible with no specific examples presented. When you present an argument with no facts to back it up, you are just stating your opinion.I am currently researching this topic and would like to know where your getting your information, and what contradictions you are talking about.Thank you.
our2kids1217 1 year ago
@our2kids1217 genesispark has an answer to some supposed 2,300 contradictions. I have these in a Word Document.
thesacredcowtipper 9 months ago
The anger is just ridiculous from BOTH sides.
MW2T wife
TheMW2T 1 year ago
A man who calls himself devote but can be swayed and become agnostic because of falsity in research was NEVER truly a believer. I don't doubt that he believes what he wrote but I know that god exists. Not because I read the bible but because of the changes that have happened and the MIRACLES that happen. Explain away miraculous healing? Deja Vu? Oh wait...
For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, none will be enough. People argue about this like nothing else. A
TheMW2T 1 year ago
@TheMW2T -haha that's such a common argument Christian's use "he never was a believer". how do you know? How do you define a believer? Can you get inside their mind and see if they were really a believer or not? Doubt is something that strikes all of us at some time or another. Even Biblical characters felt doubt, except in their case God spoke to them and proved His existence. Since that doesn't happen to most people now, they lose faith, it's not that suprising really.
Bakersfieldsucks777 11 months ago
@TheMW2T Miraculous healing has never been proved or video taped, That is like me saying "The flying spaghetti monkey is real because spaghetti appears on my front lawn every day so long as no one is there and you cannot disprove it." You can not say i know xxxxxx it is you believe or have faith in xxxxxx.
leonia97 7 months ago
@MatthewPalumbo William Lane Craig...LOL! Bart D. Ehrman does not get destroyed at all...William Lane Craig is good at performing "MENTAL GYMNASTICS" for the believer & that is about it. Bart D. Ehrman is concerned with the TRUTH not performing MENTAL GYMNASTICS to perserve the false idea the Bible is without error...BIG DIFFERENCE! Reality vs Fantasy.
Viracocha711 1 year ago
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example, Acts contradicting
And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man..
Acts 9-7 KJV
And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
Acts 22-9 KJV
Question Did these men heard the voice or not, ? Same account but different statement?
wutee64 1 year ago
an add appeared so Im not watching it
bicnarok 1 year ago
It's funny how in the new testament there's Jesus Christ and in the old testament his name is Joseph christus
burgercris 1 year ago
When a work outright contradicts itself, you HAVE to pick and choose. Is faith alone enough to get you into heaven, or is salvation obtained by works. Or do you have to do both?
MacabreManifesto 1 year ago
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earthsoulful 1 year ago
@MacabreManifesto theres no literal heaven and hell. these are states of conciousness. theres earth, skies, universes, galaxies, species of life, and human error, reincarnation, and physical/spiritual evolution. When men stops fighting over religion, and worrying over hell, then he will be free to focus on things that matter most, like service to humanity, love to all living things, family matters, spiritual growth, etc.... you are where your heart is.
earthsoulful 1 year ago
@MacabreaManifesto The idea of fiery hell/heaven has allowed leaders/teachers to use fear to control humankind, and for monetary gain. It has brought "hell" to earth. Has it ever really corrected the sin problem, or th evils in the world? No. Because fear brings anger, anger brings hate and division and strife. Well, you get the idea. If people relinquish this idea of seperation (holy people vs evil people, black vs white, country vs country) it will change the world to a heavenly place.
earthsoulful 1 year ago
@earthsoulful Here fucking here!
MacabreManifesto 1 year ago
The bible is man made as well as the Quran of course your going to have mistakes da... If there was a god why the hell would a god inspire some desert people to write the dam thing no way is that logical.
wachnathan 1 year ago
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@MatthewPalumbo
"If anyone wants to see Bart Ehrman get destroyed check out his debate with William Lane Craig and Mike Licona. "
Yeah, he get's destroyed if you are stupid and don't understand the arguments lol
TheGodlessGuitarist 1 year ago
The young turks, wen are u going to have a video proving Mohammed was a child molester who raped a 9yr old girl, Sick minded muslims.
You dont even have a life style with all that cussing, i know wat a muslim believes in islam is absolutely NOTHING!!! Have u ever seen a Christian with the Koran to prove the Bible is true, unlike muslims who carry the bible around to prove their PATHETIC religion
Allah ibn- Mohammed Al-Hitler Al- Satan
1Waddup 1 year ago
@1Waddup Actually she was 12 when he fucked her. And using a "holy book" to try and prove ANYTHING is just plain stupid. ALL religion is trash!
JoseATurner 1 year ago
@JoseATurner Actually she was 12 when he fucked her.
NO Aisha was nine when Muhammid first fucked her and six when they married, Muhammid was also middle aged during this.
What160 1 year ago
@What160 EASY! I don't claim to be an expert on this shit...from my understanding it was 12, but I think we both know it probably wasn't even real. I agree that any and all religion in ANY FORM is just plain nonsense. And the only thing I would ever try to prove with a "holy book" is that they are full of contridictions and twisted and vile. There's no doubt that in earlier Muslim culture, sex with young women just wasn't an issue. Now that they are trying to "reach the West", they've conformed
JoseATurner 1 year ago
@What160 (continued) to conform to our superior views of morality. But please don't think that I am in ANY WAY trying to suppory Muhhamid or any other religious bullshit! To these people, sex with a child isn't an issue VS. their god. Nothing can be wrong if their book tells them otherwise in their eyes. I don't care what the age was, THEIR IS NO GOD!
JoseATurner 1 year ago
(5 months ago) endabutler:
You should ask him to let you place your finger in the Holy wounds. Then you could say because thou hast seen him, thou hast believed.
(5 months ago)KenDyerJr:
@endabutler You've seen Jesus? where is the evidence for Jesus? There is no logical basis to believe in Jesus Christ. That is completely unreasonable and irrational.
lol'd at this guy completely missing the point, proving mine and getting 11 thumbs up. Blessed art thou indeed. Also, whats with the ads sir?
endabutler 1 year ago
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endabutler 1 year ago
jesus and bible lie to us..
karapovwood 1 year ago
@karapovwood Jesus IS the lie that the bible tells. Just how Muhammid and Allah are the LIES that the quran spouts. And I don't care if I mis-spelled it.
JoseATurner 1 year ago
THE PROBLEM IS: NO ONE HAS ANY PROOF OF THE BIBLES ORIGIN. FOR ALL WE KNOW, IT WAS THE FIRST EVER FICTIONAL NOVEL, WHEN MAN FIRST LEARNED TO CREATE STORIES.
Th3Wisd0m 1 year ago
@Th3Wisd0m No it can all be traced back to PREVIOUS myths. FACT.
KenDyerJr 1 year ago
u got to love the website name "theyoungturks" loll
saif1337 1 year ago
TYT actually posting a video that doesn't bash Fox News? I'm surprised.
lordkremlore 1 year ago
The Bible seems like it contadicts itself because it was written by many different people. Take it like this, you take 5 people and show them a video. When it's over have them write about the video. Study all the papers and see if you don't find some stuff that contadicts itself, when you know they all watched the same thing. That's what happened in The Bible. God told them and showed them stuff, and then they told their interpretations of what they seen and heard.
billy1303 1 year ago
the bible is sick hosea 13:16 because she has rebelled against god they shall fall by the sword. their little ones dashed to peices and their preagnat women ripped open jeremiah 3:2 like an arab in the wilderness you have polluted the land
numbers 31:17 kill every male among the little ones and kill every woman who has known by lying with a man but all young girls who have not known by lying with him keep for your self
jinkazamalovnat 1 year ago
WOW!! This is funny... They have never read the bible, but study it with other books. This is crazy......
2000eqlips 1 year ago
wow, at one point in time.... michael shure had hair
dontliethetruth 1 year ago
Of Course There Are Contradictions In The Bible God Is A Zen Master.
And Second God Tells You There Are Mistakes In There. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,2 timothy 3:16
bigvandave 1 year ago
All we're supposed to do is love each other and do good deeds for each other. Most of the time, religion spawns HATE.
Open your eyes, leave religion, and you will see the TRUE LOVING CREATOR.
stickinup2188 1 year ago
he who is without sin,let him throw the first stone...judgement day will clear it all....and then they will weep,as a mother weeps for her child...u will see.
karen4990 1 year ago
cross believers r stupid
mrnawanshehr 1 year ago
He is Risen!
Hitchy1094 1 year ago
@Hitchy1094
Jesus is Risen? If it lasts for more than 4 hours, Jesus needs to see his doctor.
DNAunion 1 year ago
Ive seen an 800 year old bible. written in hebrew. Just cant see God but he is there, you cant see air but u breath it. SO i beleive in air. i beleive in God. i also beleive in the Devil but i dont worship him. Read Revalations. the twin towers are in there. he dont call them the twi towers or new york b/c it was a vision 2000 years ago. it talks about the all the boats at sea watching it burn and everything. and if u look back at the vids of the twin towers all the boats in the sea. thats it :)
TheZimmy84 1 year ago
@TheZimmy84 anyone can take anything said about any religion and make it sound like BS! EXAMPLE......800 year old bible is old but still not the time of "JESUS"!
2)I do breath air i don't see. SCIENCE tells me that! How do I know its air I'm breathing. SOMEBODY TOLD US!
I'm not trying to fight on youtube over effing religion just saying i could go through any post and contradict what they say.
Sorry i'm just showing my friend how easy it is. Your post was just a random pick. No offense!!
cjwilson666 1 year ago
I lost interest as soon as he said there is "solid evidence" for Jesus. To ALL Christians: Send me some PROOF for Jesus. You know, as in EVIDENCE. And before you waste my time with Josephus, Suetonious, Tacitus, Pliny, and all the other NON-contemporary probable forgeries for "sources" that Christians typically provide, please see my videos on the subject. If you don't want to sit thru the videos at least read the side bar and the blog I wrote.
KenDyerJr 1 year ago
@KenDyerJr what videos??i am willing to watch them.what about the reliability of paul.and the how he is backed up by historians clement,polycarp ignatius??i will like to learn more.send me some videos dogg
turi73 1 year ago
You should ask him to let you place your finger in the Holy wounds. Then you could say because thou hast seen him, thou hast believed.
endabutler 1 year ago
@endabutler You've seen Jesus? where is the evidence for Jesus? why are there 40 Jesus characters who came before Jesus? They're all myths, but the one who came last, the one who is the LEAST original is a real person? Horus, Dionysus, Attis, Mithra, Krishna, the list goes on folks. NO EVIDENCE for JESUS + Massive Evidence for PLAGIARISM = MYTH. There is no logical basis to believe in Jesus Christ. That is completely unreasonable and irrational.
KenDyerJr 1 year ago 45
@KenDyerJr Do you really think that the Jews, who revolved their lives around their faith, and grew up in Rome were many gods and myths were well known, would seriously abandon their faith for the very myths and idols that they preached against?
belipo 1 year ago
@belipo Does this PROVE SOMETHING? Or are you just blowing hot air? Show me some EVIDENCE for Jesus Christ. And explain the numerous deities who predate the Bible who have life stories virtually IDENTICAL to Jesus Christ. 16 of them were crucified and resurrected three days later. Not much originality in the Bible's Jesus myth I don't think.
KenDyerJr 1 year ago
@KenDyerJr Im saying that it is illogical to think that the Jews of Rome at that time would abandon their beliefs for common myths of the time. Do you agree or disagree with what I am saying? For further reading you can read these:
w w w. reasonablefaith. org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6813
w w w. reasonablefaith. org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5391
Also please list the myths that you speak of. If you would mind messaging me that would be great. We could duscuss this more in depth
belipo 1 year ago
@belipo And your point is WHAT? Does that prove Jesus to be a real person? The Bible to be TRUE? Your point is POINTLESS. The FACTS are that pretty much the entire Bible is REHASHED MYTHOLOGY and VERIFIED as such!! Nothing can change that!! Most of the contents can be traced back to ancient myths that came long BEFORE!! Creation, Moses, Jonah, Cane and Abel, Adam and Eve, Jesus Christ, Noah, etc etc. Nothing ORIGINAL about any of it!! Does your question change that? NO.
KenDyerJr 1 year ago
@KenDyerJr Im sorry sir, but until you get a second opinion aside from zeitgeist, you will be stuck in that mind set. I would recomend some scholarly material where there has been exhaustive research done on the subject. The link that I have provided you with should get you started.
belipo 1 year ago
@KenDyerJr -that is so true, it's funny how in Christian school in Bible class they never even try to debunk all the other myths that have similar Jesus like figures. It's because they know they can't.
Bakersfieldsucks777 11 months ago
@Bakersfieldsucks777 The good bible schools debunk that. James White (Alpha and Omega Ministries) can answer your questions on that.
thesacredcowtipper 9 months ago
@KenDyerJr i provided the same evidence to my christian friend, and she ignored every bit of it, people cant handle the truth i guess...
callofdutygod1234567 6 months ago
in one ear and out the other with these sky-daddy worshipers....
mamakoala666 1 year ago
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Don`t take it all that seriously. Have a laugh.
You can't go to church if your testicles are damaged or your penis has been cut off. (Read Deuteronomy 23:1
lizazoon 1 year ago
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Doctor of Divinity
archeng123 1 year ago
I am glad leftists have dropped the whole "we are open minded and compassionate" routine. With the baby murdering they are SO fond of, we kind of knew that liberal "compassion" was just a lie.
So, let's be clear. Leftists HATE America, what it was designed to be, and every aspect of the Christian faith. This video shows that Liberalism itself is a religion. A religion that is almost all about governmental control of all people. Amoral, Fascistic, and totally controlling everyone.
sirjames45 2 years ago
sirjames45"
" This video shows that Liberalism itself is a religion. A religion that is almost all about governmental control of all people. Amoral, Fascistic, and totally controlling everyone."
I am not interested in your political views, this isnt the page for it, nor is this our discussion. However the irony is that you represent a religion that was solely spread through governmental control. "Go to church or lose your land and risk being burned and killed, is what the early church said"
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Cool story bro
mamakoala666 1 year ago
I am completely happy with the Gospels. I know them quite well, and their historical accuracy is astounding, and well proved. You can't tell this to YouTube skeptics in comment boxes, and YouTube skeptics are not willing to buy the books and study.
sirjames45 2 years ago
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sirjames45"
"I am completely happy with the Gospels. I know them quite well, and their historical accuracy is astounding, and well proved. You can't tell this to YouTube skeptics in comment boxes, and YouTube skeptics are not willing to buy the books and study."
1. You can be happy with the Gospels, no one says you can't. But should you?
cont
jdnmlm 2 years ago
sirjames45"
cont.
2. What historical accuracy is astounding about the Gospels? The dead coming to life and walking the streets visiting with love ones? Explain how this is true?
You know that is not a historical fact. You mean to tell me that only one Gospel records this astounding event? The romans and other people around in the city, you mean no one else reported this?.
If the dead ever got up and walked the streets it would be a major part of world history, not just one gospel.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
If the dead had NOT got up and walked the streets, then everyone would have immediately rejected the faith! Paul writes letters to a church in the area and talks about Jesus resurrection, and says, "some of you saw this with your own eyes, and are alive to this day and remember it."
Paul appealed to WITNESSES who saw it.
sirjames45 2 years ago
sirjames45"
"If the dead had NOT got up and walked the streets, then everyone would have immediately rejected the faith!"
What bible have you been reading? I suggest you read your scriptures again, no disrespect intended.
Christian faith isn't based on the dead people getting up and walking the streets. Paul says, "If Christ has not risen then our preaching is in vain," only Christ's resurrection matters.
cont
cont
jdnmlm 2 years ago
sirjames45"
cont
You honestly believe that the dead people all got out their graves and walked the streets? Find me another source that reports this this event besides the Gospel of Matthew.
If a bunch of dead people came out the graves and walked the streets and lots of people saw them as the Gospel claims, then im sure the Romans would have reported it, and especially the Jews, heck they even have written account about having Jesus crucified, and you think they missed this event?
cont
jdnmlm 2 years ago
sirjames45"
cont
"Paul writes letters to a church in the area and talks about Jesus resurrection, and says, "some of you saw this with your own eyes, and are alive to this day and remember it."
Paul appealed to WITNESSES who saw it."
1. Paul was not an witness to anything, and he never, ever, met Jesus. The only thing we have is Paul's own testimony that says Jesus spirit talked to him on the road to Damascus--His own testimony in Acts contradicts itself--changes every time he tells it
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Because Paul includes a few different details in what happened to him, does NOT make it a contradiction. Paul was the most learned man in that area, and was a huge persecutor of Christians. He had a conversion experience, and soon after that, His letters written to different churches were immediately accepted as the Word of God. There has been no challenge concerning His apostleship in 2000 years.
sirjames45 2 years ago
sirjames45"
I'll give you another one that you can't explain and further more gives less credibility to the evidence for the resurrection.
Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:4-5:
"4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 5And that he was seen of Cephas (Peter), then of the twelve:"
Ummmm.......Excuse me, but what 12 disciples did Jesus reappear too? Judas was dead already, so there was only 11.
Sirjames45, you have another excuse for this one?
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Paul is including Himself. And remember the point Paul is making is that hundreds of people saw Jesus alive AFTER His crucifixion and Paul says that "most of them are still alive". Now I have a question for you. Did you become concerned about this verse from just reading the Bible, OR did you find on some skeptic website???
sirjames45 2 years ago
sirjames45"
"Paul is including Himself"
Paul was not including himself in the 12 who saw Jesus right after the resurrection, he is referring to the disciples. His statement is just and inaccuracy that can't be accounted for--too obviously, and there is no question of it being an error.
Paul didnt even know, or meet Jesus during his ministry, nor did he after the resurrection. Paul didnt even meet the disciples until after his conversion a few yrs later as the book of Acts tells it.
cont
jdnmlm 2 years ago
sirjames45"
In the book of Acts it clearly tells you that when PAul approached the disciples after his conversion they knew him not and didnt believe he was a disciple and were afraid of him.
I think you need to go read the NT again, and stop asking me if I get my info from skeptic sites.
Actually I noticed these errors reading my bible as a Christian, and what I suspected was brought up again during my historical NT studies classes in college.
Have you read it?
jdnmlm 2 years ago 5
@jdnmlm - You should pick up Michael Wood's book, The Hidden Bible. The contradictions will be explained. Not in support of the contradictions, but why they are there.
JimmieLeeLyrics 1 year ago
@JimmieLeeLyrics
The contradictions are there because it's not an inspired book, it's just a book written by men with errors made by men. We could make a truly flawless bible with modern technology, if a god inspired it, then I'm not impressed.
jdnmlm 1 year ago
@jdnmlm - Depends on how you look at inspired writings. Some believe inspired writings should have no errors. Some believe inspired writings can be inspired writing with errors considering that the instruments doing the writings are fallible. Nonetheless, the bible was changed in certain places to support certain beliefs. Read The Jerome Conspiracy by Michael Wood. The Hidden Bible by Michael Wood is even better.
JimmieLeeLyrics 1 year ago
sirjames45"
"You can't tell this to YouTube skeptics in comment boxes, and YouTube skeptics are not willing to buy the books and study."
I guess this is your comment directed to me.
First off, I am not a youtube skeptic. Second, I have study Christianity, Islam, and parts of other religions in college. Funny how you assume that you are the only one who has read the Gospels or studied Christianity after you meet opposition.
Bias is the first step towards ignorance
-- I said that
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Erhmann is THE go to guy for Muslims, Anti-Christs, Atheists, etc. So, on this video, don't be surprised if Muslims show up in the comment section. I am a Christian, I have Bart's books, listened to HOURS of his speeches, and The man has not even put a dent in the classic, historic Christian faith.
If you had video TAPE of the Resurrection of Jesus, Bart would find a way to reject it as evidence!!!!
sirjames45 2 years ago
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sirjames45"
" I am a Christian, ........... The man has not even put a dent in the classic, historic Christian faith.
If you had video TAPE of the Resurrection of Jesus, Bart would find a way to reject it as evidence!!!!"
1. YOu state that you are a Christian, but do you realize Bart was a devotued Christian?
2. You say he never provides evidence, but is just stating facts in the majority of his material.
3. What is your evidence and authority level?
jdnmlm 2 years ago
cont
4. Have you not considered that the Gospels don't even agree on the details of the resurrection?
You know in court a testimony would be thrown out and you'd lose the case based on faulty evidence. Can we do this to the Gospels, does the same common sense logic that we apply in everyday life be applied when looking at scripture, or whatever is considered to be. Why does common sense and logic go out the window when concerning religious beliefs?
jdnmlm 2 years ago
1 you and I KNOW that IF the gospels agreed on every detail, skeptics would have written entire books on how the gospels were a fraud. Police interrogators would be brought in to explain how people who lie rehearse their stories and repeat it word for word. 2. the other extreme on that is wild, major discrepencies, which we don't have in the gospels. 3 What we DO have is what you would NATURALLY EXPECT if you just had four men honestly telling you about their three years with Jesus.
sirjames45 2 years ago
sirjames"
"1 you and I KNOW that IF the gospels agreed on every detail, skeptics would have written entire books on how the gospels were a fraud. "
I totally agree with you about skeptics not being satisfied no matter what; however, Bart didn't start as a skeptic, he was a devout Christian student interested in the history of his religion, so he doesn't fall into that category--he may now, but he didn't when he began his journey. BE fair, and consider he had no reason to doubt until after
jdnmlm 2 years ago
sirjames45"
"What we DO have is what you would NATURALLY EXPECT if you just had four men honestly telling you about their three years with Jesus."
This statement I do not agree with. Historically, more than likely these Gospels weren't written by any of Jesus's disciples. MArk wasn't a disciple, Luke definitely wasn't a disciple, Matthew, I doubt wrote that gospel because it was in greek and he spoke Aramaic, John didn't right the Gospel of John, the writer tells you this at the end of it.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Erhmann has released the SAME book with three different titles! He also LIES in this video about the Bible concerning the authors of the books of the New Testament. Notice Young JERKS are totally clueless about the Bible.
sirjames45 2 years ago
sirjames45"
What lie did Erhmann tell concerning the authors of the NT?
jdnmlm 2 years ago
At 1:30 on the video: "Some books claiming to be written by Paul, were NOT written by Paul".
Erhmann is VERY careful to present you with long winded complaints while leaving out critical facts that make his arguments meaningless.
Erhmann has ZERO proof, or EVIDENCE that books of the Bible were "forgeries"! All he does is just tighten the rules of evidence that HE allows, until nothing gets through! It is an old trick, and the OPPOSITE of searching for the truth.
sirjames45 2 years ago
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"sirjames45"
"At 1:30 on the video: "Some books claiming to be written by Paul, were NOT written by Paul"
That isn't a lie, that is a fact. It is fact that at least 7 of the letter accredited to Paul were not actually written by him. It is believed that people wrote in his name so that the letter could carry weight. Take an NT historical studies class and you'll learn that too.
cont
jdnmlm 2 years ago
sirjames45"
I mena if you are just wanting to look at the bible from an subjective inspirational point of view then you can hold the beliefs that all labeled letters were written by the author named, but, that isn't historically true unfortunately.
The 4 Gospels in the NT were even anonymous originally, and names were not added to them until later, and things like this are historical facts.
cont
jdnmlm 2 years ago
YOU are getting YOUR information from people who are AGAINST Christianity. If I want to learn about getting an Apple computer, do I call up a PC company and get info from them??? Erhmann is NOT scholarship, He is the OPPOSITION. you wish for scholarship without buying books, then go to Monergismdot com.
sirjames45 2 years ago
sirjames"
cont.
Things like later added fabricated verses eg. 1 John5:7 There are 3 that bear witness in heaven; or the account of Jesus stopping the lady from being stoned; all the verses after Mark16:8 are also fabrications.
They know because they have uncovered older documents which don't have those verses or names on them etc. Valid credible verses would be the earliest and when the earliest doesn't agree with what we have then, the conclusion is "fabrication."
Sad but it's true man
jdnmlm 2 years ago
buddhism is not practical for everyone. If everyone went into the temple in seclusion the temples would all be full. Then what?
NoorminAllah 2 years ago 2
1 John 5:7 (KJV) For there are three that bear record in heaven the father the word and the Holy Ghost and these three are one! God is three but he is one as he is a spirit and not flesh as we are but even we have a triune body one soul a spirit and a body.
ProphecyofNewLight 2 years ago
Prophecy"
Why quote 1 John 5:7, do you not know this has already been discovered to be a fabrication?
Oh, and if you believe that none of the bible is a fabrication then I challenge you to take the MArk 16:17-18 challenge and drink the poison and survive as it says true believers will be able to do.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
you bunch of foolish Nazis! You Antichrists! FOOLS! The bible is written be many men over thousands of years its not the writers that are the writers of the bible but God himself who wrote but the inspiration he put in these men! I could argue t his foolish man on the radio I want to expose him for the fool that he is! Lets publicly have a discussion I have many proof! For one Genesis 6 proven by Giant bones found. Also Exodus has many medical procedures not yet conceived for thousands of years
ProphecyofNewLight 2 years ago
@ ProphecyofNewLight
Cool story bro.
mamakoala666 1 year ago
No story friend this is the truth and you can be saved! You can have rest in God you don't have to be an enemy of God! You are deeply troubled and tormented in your soul I can perceive this and I say for you there is rest and forgiveness and renewal in Christ Jesus!
ProphecyofNewLight 1 year ago
The whole religion thing should be thrown to the trash by now. And the dangerous thing is, still in 2010 they want to make laws based on the bible..... How could that be????
MRBBJC 2 years ago
this is the title of the video "Muhammad discovered in the Bible " ya christian and even jew or muslim should check it out ... for those who still don't believe that our prophet was not mentioned by name in the bible
jajordan1985 2 years ago
Im a convert as well. Thank God swt for Islam and the truth.
Islam is a mercy on mankind, and the true religion of Jesus
TheKitab5 2 years ago
@TheKitab5 foolishliar! It is a peace of man for the surah to call wives like enemies and to instruct husbands to beat their wives? A CHILD MOLESTER MUHAMMED IS A MERCY TO GOD? No Jesus warned us of false prophets who deny him. Jesus himself said that he was going to be resurrected! Jesus himself alluded to this many times! Jesus himself condemned false prophets. Jesus himself spoke of Satan as the angel of light! These are just liars with no opposing viewpoints proof of false teachers!
ProphecyofNewLight 2 years ago
Let's ask the ultimate question, just be obervation of your actions and words, are you really following christ?Muslims always say I seek refuge in God from satan. So you might want to try saying this before you speak.
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
I am a convert to islam too! Nice to know you.
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
Thousands of muslims have memorized the same Qur'an. The same words as over 1400 years ago. How me how is it possible that people memorize a WHOLE book. That is a miracle. See how long the Qur'an is.
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
God says in the Quran that the moon split. Scientists have only recently discovered this on when they first landed on the moon. Look for yourself, search on google and look for pictures of the proof. There is no way a man could have known this over 1400 years ago. The Qur'an is the words of God.
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
@NoorminAllah NOT A MIRACLE THEY FORCE CHILDREN TO DO IT! THEY RAISE THEM UP AND FORCE THEM TO REMEMBER THE WHOLE QURAN AND IF THEY DON"T THEY DIE! THEY WILL DIE! THEY WILL DIE BY BEING MURDERED! WICKED FOOLS MORE PEOPLE HAVE REMEMBERED THE BIBLE! BESIDES THE QURAN HAS BEEN PROVEN FALSE BY MAN FALSE STATEMENTS THIS AGNOSTIC HAS NO RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT THE WORD BECAUSE HE IS BLIND AND FOOLISH! HE WASN"T EVER WALKING IN THE SPIRIT PROBABLY HE MAY NEVER HAVE BEEN! CURSE THIS LIAR! DEBATE ME YOU FOOL
ProphecyofNewLight 2 years ago
Religion=War
10sup10 2 years ago
just yell alaialaialaiahaialaiah when you die you go to paradise ( currently run out of virgins) please try to refute that
maxceman 2 years ago
who says it like that?? is that a new religion? certainly its not mine.
wickedgame26 2 years ago
The people who die and never got married get a virgin wife in heaven. What is so wrong with that? NOTHING!
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
no they get raisins.
mamakoala666 1 year ago
everyone can write the bible, just say(lie) you are guided by Holy Spirit and you see visions then you are Qualified, just like paul lol
wickedgame26 2 years ago
exactly
destroyerOFevils 2 years ago
Let me write again and say that it amazes me that more than a billion still believe in the bible and proclaim that it is from God when the bible is loaded with mistakes and contradictions...! Someone wrote that paul is not contradicting Matthew as if Matthew is Jesus but let me tell you, Paul contradicts Jesus and if he contradicts the master, he is contradicting Matthew, mark, Luke and John.
How could the bible be from God when it is loaded with so many mistakes and contradictions....!!!???
MARZOOGI 2 years ago
Matthew and Paul don't contradict each other. I'd like to hear the supposed examples of this.
chuber1979 2 years ago 2
Well, the last testament (Holy Quraan) tells us that the bible is full of errors and that we should use the Quraan to verify if what the bible is saying is right or not. The Quraan is the last and final message of God to all mankind and it is free from errors and contradictions. I have no idea why people want to stick to a book which is full of errors and in contradiction with sciences...! The Quraan is the only reliable, error-free book of God and we all should read it.
MARZOOGI 2 years ago
very true.these people just dont want to admit they are wrong and have been decieved by paul.
destroyerOFevils 2 years ago
yes if you put away all the contradictions, especially the 1 who made by paul, and just focus on Jesus pbuh words,
the result =
the story of Jesus pbuh and who he really is is exactly like the Holy Quran says,
Jesus pbuh never say he was God, He says he is only a Messiah to the Jew = Exactly what the Quran says etc
the Quran are the final revelations to revealed the lie of the writers of the bible, and to Glorify God and Jesus pbuh.
wickedgame26 2 years ago
your own book says that Jesus created a bird. But it also says no one else besides allah can create even a fly. sounds like your own book proclaims Jesus divinity.
simplythebest444 2 years ago
so as moses pbuh divide the water, and muhammad pbuh split the moon, jesus pbuh can do that (with the permission of Ellah or Allah or God in english)
wickedgame26 2 years ago
no it says that no one besides allah can create even a fly. In Islam Judaism and Christianity creation is somthing unique to God. Nobody else can do it. This is just one of the qurans many contradictions or they acknowledge that Jesus Is The Creator.
simplythebest444 2 years ago
yes it does, God explain many times in the Quran, all the miracles the prophets did (every prophet) was by God Permission, if God didnt allowed it would not happen. Quran never say Jesus pbuh create something by his will but by God will (God Permission), same as Muhammad pbuh,
Jesus pbuh say : I MYSELF CAN DO NOTHING, ONLY GOD HAVE POWER OF ALL THINGS.
dont close your eyes and deny the word of Jesus pbuh, just because it contradict your belief,
Jesus pbuh never say : I AM GOD, or WORSHIP ME
wickedgame26 2 years ago
He never denied worship. In matthew 2:11, 9:2, and 9:18 were three occasions when He was worshipped and He never said: I am not God dont worship me. n how do u expect me to believe a book that was written like 500 yrs later than the Bible about Jesus. Wouldnt you agree that the ppl who were alive for Jesus earthly ministry would know Him better than whoever wrote the quran.
simplythebest444 2 years ago
paul wrote the bible 300 years after Jesus pbuh go to heaven,
Jesus pbuh say: WORSHIP MY GOD AND YOUR GOD, MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER ALONE.
there is no such thing as: worship my god and me and the holy spirit, but wait i am god and sometimes i am the son of god(me), so i am my son and the father(me) at the same time, i sent myself to earth, and i worship myself also but wait i am the son, why would i worship my father??? ahhhhhhhh
Jesus pbuh never taught this,
it is paul and the roman pagan.
wickedgame26 2 years ago
ur imam lied to u paul wrote it in the same generation. actually study The Bible and ull find out that Paul met with Peter who wuz Jesus disciple. N we both know that peter wuz not 300 yrs old.
simplythebest444 2 years ago
@simplythebest444
Luke 4:8
Jesus replied, "The Scriptures say, 'You must worship the LORD your God and serve only him.'"
The Bible is full of contradiction such as the one I have posted. This is the reason that many people will not accept it as divine revelation, God is perfect and therefore does not contradict himself or make a mistake, man on the other hand does.
Also you should note that early people and prophets (mentioned in the Bible) did not pray to Jesus, they prayed to God.
moali68 2 years ago
I think your confused as to what a contradiction is. "Jesus can say worship The Lord your God "and still be talking about Himself. It would be a contradiction if He said " Worship The Lord your God not me" but He didnt say that. I pointed out a clear contradiction. It says Jesus created a bird but in a different scripture it says only allah can create. n answer me this, how come in the Genesis account of creation God says "WE have created man in OUR image and after OUR likeness."
simplythebest444 2 years ago
The Quran is extremely clear in its position of Prophets being able to preform miracles with God's leave.
Also I had already seen someone post a reply to your supposed contradiction. Why would you stick to worn out and failed arguments instead of embracing truth?
Also claiming that God had been selected from any one race is a form of racism. Lets say Jesus was born in Africa or China, the people would then look at this factor and determine that God had preferred one race above another. Peace
moali68 2 years ago
God came from the jews because He established His covenant with them. N u talk of embracing truth compare Jesus and muhammed. Jesus said " Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you" muhammed said "killing disbelievers is a small matter to us." Which one seems like someone you should put your trust in?
simplythebest444 2 years ago
However, he never said "I am God worship me either."
Being that the Quran was from God then you claim that it is less truthful because it cam 600 yrs later doesn't matter.
The same can be said about the authenticity of the NT. How do we know it was God inspired, especially with all of it's contradictions and Paul constantly vetoing Jesus commands all through the NT and lying.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
So your telling me a book that tells me to kill everyone that doesnt have the same faith is inspired by God? I dont believe that. A book that turns suicide into the only sure way that you will avoid hell. Heaven into a brothel where after you commit suicide 72 virgins will be waiting for you to fulfill you every sexual desire. Also a book that glorifies sex with a nine year old. That is sick.
simplythebest444 2 years ago
simplythebest"
See this is why idiots shouldn't be aloud to speak.
No where in Islam is it said to kill all who have a different faith. It actually says let them have their worship and me to mine.
Nowhere in Islam does it say suicide is the way to avoid hell. It actually says that suicide is one of the sure ways to go to HELL.
You watch way to much CNN and FOX NEWS.
Find my the Surah in Quran that says what you claim liar. I am Muslim find me the Surah in my book and post it.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
cont
do not compare actions of mislead political militant Muslim cultist to the religion of Islam. They do not follow Quran.
Am I to associate Christian loony cultist with the teaching of the bible? How about David Koresh, or all the corrupt Christian govern in other countries? How about polegemy ranches?
Stop being an idiot saying things without proof.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Nor does the Quran say anything about 72 virgins. This is a cultist teaching. Find me the Surah in the Quran that says this you American news puppet.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
both the 72 virgins and the aisha story came straight from your own books. Now the fact you dont believe them kind of puzzles me. It says in the hadith she was nine. No where in the Bible does it say that Mary was twelve. It doesnt say anywhere what age she was. They were considered adults at 13. Which makes sense because at 13 many do start puberty not NINE!!!!! you dont know your own facts. No one goes through puberty at nine. what are you talking about?
simplythebest444 2 years ago
simplythefool"
I do not engage in childish dialogue. Show proof or shut your face. There is nowhere in the Quran that mentions 72 virgins or suicide for paradise. Suicide is a definite invention for HELL.
Im still waiting for you to show me the Chapters and verses of the Quran which says these things.
Provide the verses, or shut your face. I am not interested in your childish, "I watched some youtube videos on Islam" arguments.
Produce your proof or hush, plain and simple.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
The virgins are for men who die before they got married.
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
I thought that was an occultist teaching? yes I know that Abraham and solomon both had more than one wife. Jesus had to come as a perfect sinless sacrifice. He knew we couldnt save ourselves. So your saying that God couldnt come down as a human if he wanted to? N yes lots daughters thought they would die and wanted to produce children. So they got lot drunk and Lot slept with them.
simplythebest444 2 years ago
MAry was 12 yrs old according to the CatholicEncyclopedia online thank you very much. Go see for yourself child.
Aisha wrote about her own relationship with the prophet and told the details thank you very much. She was at the age of puberty when they declared their marriage like anyone else in those days. Find me the chapter verse etc to back your claims.
Fact is MAry was a 12yrs old kid when the holy spirit made her pregnant.
Im waiting for your proof kid.
jdnmlm 2 years ago 5
So you dont believe in any other collections of the sayings of muhammad besides the quran???? So your saying the hadith is satanically inspired. I agree with that. So which of the verses are you allowed to believe in out of the quran in your pick and choose theology?
simplythebest444 2 years ago
You think having a million wives is wrong 2? What kind of muslim are u?
simplythebest444 2 years ago
simplethebest"
First, off we are allowed up to 4 wives, but I prefer one. Even your bible supports multiple wives, I suggest you read it. Lots of men in your bible had multiple wives. Nowhere in your bible does it say to have only one wife. Provide me the verse.
Im a ex-Christian and I know the book front to back so i'll be waiting on you to provide the verse that doesn't exist.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Genesis 2:18, 23, 24 "And the LORD God said, it is not good that the man should be alone; I will make an help meet for him......And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: they shall be ONE FLESH. N ur childish insults dont hurt me. Bless you in The Name of The Lord Jesus Christ.
simplythebest444 2 years ago
simplythebest"
Do you have those Quran chapters and verses to back your claim? You made false aqusations against my religion but I have yet to see these things in the Quran.
We talk about nothing else until you provide me proof of your claims. I know my Quran and know these things aren't in it. You are a liar.
Produce your proof or shut your face. Adults provide proof of their claims.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Asturghfullah! How can you say Jesus (a.s.)was god? Jesus prayed to himself? You are saying god got hungry, went to the bathroom, slept-who sustained the world while he did that???, you even say man killed your god.
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
I also find it very hard to believe that Aisha hit puberty at six. Muhammad had about thirty wives. How come you are only allowed four? allah is not a fair moon god. N I actually read about the quran and muhammed. not jus youtube vids. N I am not catholic sir. But she could have been engaged at twelve. But her and Joseph wouldnt have connsumated her marriage until she was considered a women. 13
simplythebest444 2 years ago
provide the chapters and verses. You can shut me up easily by doing that. If there is any talk in the Quran OF suicide for heaven, killing all people of other faiths etc then I will CONVERT BACK TO Christianity.
You are a Christian well here is your chance. CONVERT ME!
Produce those Chapters and verses kid.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
So you dont consider the hadith an authority?
simplythebest444 2 years ago
sIMPLYTHEBEST"
PROVIDE, CHAPTER, VERSE, CITATION.
I AM NOT A CHILD, NOR DO I INDULGE IN CHILDISH DIALOGUE.
ADULTS DON'T MAKE CLAIMS WITHOUT PROOF, WE PROVIDE EVIDENCE.
FACT IS YOU HAVE NOT READ QURAN OR THESE THINGS YOU MENTION, YOU WATCH YOUTUBE.
PROVIDE PROOF OR SHUT YOUR FACE, ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Leviticus says that Lot a messenger of God had incest with his daughter while he was drunk. God's messengers don't do those things. May God forgive whoever said that!
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
I meant may God punish who ever said that about Lot a.s.
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
8:65 O Apostle! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding.
Luke 6:35 (KJV) (Gods Word Preserved)
35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
ProphecyofNewLight 2 years ago
@jdnmlm READ 8 65
8:12 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them."
8:13 This because they contended against Allah and His Apostle: If any contend against Allah and His Apostle, Allah is strict in punishment.
ProphecyofNewLight 2 years ago
ProphecyofNewLight"
I read it, and..................ok, now what? I don't know what you were trying to prove by telling me to read the verse.
Are you trying to prove that somehow Islam is evil?
Since Jews and Judaism doesn't accept Jesus as God, are the Jews evil and a bunch of anti-christs too?
If, yes then how do you rationalize this claim, when Jesus was no doubt about it a Jew, and practiced everything the Jews do? Are the Jews going to hell too?
cont
jdnmlm 2 years ago
Prophecy"
cont Do you really think salvation is based on believing God came as a man and died for you?
How is this even logical? You believe that God, came to earth as a MAn, with the sole purpose to die (basically a suicide mission. you believe God committed suicide) for the things we do wrong? Why does God need to punish himself, for our actions as if it is his fault? That makes no sense. Could you see punishing yourself or your son for something someone else did wrong? NO!
jdnmlm 2 years ago
THose arab christians are always lying! You got no proof and your book has incest. See leviticus: the book your pastors are ashamed to read allowed.
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
Abraham had 2 wives. I am an ex christian too.
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
Simply it's too bad you lost.
NoorminAllah 2 years ago
cont
And I can tell you only listen to what you hear and do not study.
First of all, Aisha wasn't 9yrs old, second the virgin MAry begot became pregnant with Jesus at age 12 so what are you saying about God's holy spirit that impregnated her? Are you blasphemously saying God violated a female?
People got married young and had kids young, usually after puberty--different times they lived in--not like now. Joseph was a GROWN MAN when he was about to Marry her at age 12.
jdnmlm 2 years ago
cont
and the story of Aisha is not in the Quran, it in a hadith. Get your facts str8
jdnmlm 2 years ago