@ZoonCorp This is Shito Ryu, but from the shitokai group, even when is my style (shito ryu) the shitokai do their kata on a diferent way my group does (Budo Deshi), back to your question, for shito ryu the pinan idan, shodan, sandan etc, are the same katas that in shotokan are heian idan, shodan, sandan etc... so its the same kata heian yodan but in another style, hope y help :)
I'm white belt doing my grading this month. I know katas 1, 2, 3 and 5. This one is such a bugger! Most others have a consistent pattern or some kind of constant you can latch onto to remember them but this ones just all over the place.
i learned it a bit different under sensei Wayne Deerey and sensei Al, the one where your 90degrees( 0:16 and 0:20 ), first punch then kick then(must be just different interpretation), but ty for the vid, helped me alot in jogging my memory :D
@niwka yea my sensei teach me that kata different to, but in my case my sensei is the shihan of karate-do shito ryu from venezuela, but its just that some people has a different way to teach the same kata :)
@dragonaik333 because kimura is made to be intrepreted by the learner and not the teacher, its made to help u become stronger by getting the technique used to ur body and style and not by making ur body get used to the technique thats why it varies :) well thats the teachings i recieve anyways :P
@ladygagaromance I've Noticed Shito Ryu karate kata's are harder to win in competition, since judges seem to like the damn "looks" on kata's and not technique. ><
@mastechief8 that is because in shito ryu, the katas are harder because of the positions, by example: the nekuasi dashi ( idk if it is writen that way) or cat feet, in our style is harder than the kokutsu dachi ( the shotokan, still idk if its writen this way) is a litle bit easier.
Chambering at the hip is there to train the Karateka to grab and pull whatever they can grab, breaking the opponents center-line, making them vulnerable. In combat, hands are held high for defense and speed. Thanks to Kata, the hikite (chambering motion) is hard wired in to grab and pull.
true, hikite has alot of uses. but i've also seen it have detrimental effects. ie...since it is so hard wired and you do it every time you punch when you do kata, kihon and some types of kumite...you'll do it automatically since it is so 'hard wired' ..so i have seen many people not realize they are doing it and get nailed because of it.
First of all, it's important to remember that this is kata, and most karateka would probably not chamber fully when in an actual confrontation. Also, boxers and kickboxers don't generally practice kata.
Second, it is important for karateka to chamber because much of the power in a strike is derived from the hips. This is different from boxers, kick boxers, or non-karate based MM artists, who don't generally concentrate on their hips as much when striking.
In Chinese martial arts, however, the waist is highly emphasized, and the elbow and the wrist and legs. Depending on the style, the heel is raised or not raised during a straight punch. For me as a Chinese martial arts practitioner, the punches in karate look very refined. I've seen the effects of good karate punches enough to see that they are powerful enough to cause internal bleeding
Are punches to the head meant to cause knock-outs in karate, or are punches directed more to the torso?
its very slow and telegraphed. katas (forms) arnt made as an actual fighting technique. you wouldnt actually do moves this exact way. they improve power(if done correctly) they increase mental confidence but theyre not completely for actual fighting
because they are fighting. karate is civilian self defense, they are two different things. in kumite the hands are held high (most of the time) ...as for self defense..most of the time people have their hands low, in their pockets, folded arms etc...not raised. so its useful to be able to punch from there. and from there you can punch any target, from your chin its difficult to punch downward when in close for example. it has MANY uses. but can sometimes be bad too (see my other reply above)
i study shitoryu an there's sum subtle differences in the way i hav been taught to do this kata, it seems like the ending to this is kept short! in the version i was taught there is a palm strike then return to niko stance at the end before finishing. nice kata tho, and interesting to watch :)
I had just got my green belt yesterday on January 30th and well i am still trying to learn Yondan, I have seen it a lot but still never really caught onto it
im purple... iwould have been brown but i couldnt go to the grading... if you keep practicing youll eventually get it.. coz iv been learning kushanku for ages and iv finally got it... conragts on passing the gradin btw.
Good luck guys :D. Be careful of taking in other styles for your Wado gradings as they are very different. I am having to change my Wado training to a more neutral karate at the moment to do an all styles black belt test. Concentrate on Wado first then worry about other styles. Enjoy watching other versions but don't use them to learn Wado Ryu.
Beautifully performed it would only be better with the kiai (shout), btw, what's with all these guys bragging about their styles saying my style is better than your style or my martial art is better than your martial art? jeez i thought only kiddies argued like that. If you can't say anything positive or constructive just keep your mouth shut
@BelloBudo007 Well, let's ask: Why kiai? In old-style okinawan kata, there weren't defined points for kiai. There are certainly more important things for power development (or force deflection!) than (flashy) kiai – like, let's say chinkuchi and other related (internal) concepts of karate...
@eisbombenhagel - Mmm that's interesting. I've actually never really considered kiai as 'flashy' before. So it seems 99% of karate schools have it wrong then? This is Shito Ryu kata and while I don't know a lot about that school I'm quietly confident that they usually employ kiai along with other methods of training to develop focus, speed and power etc.
@BelloBudo007 Well, you should take the history of karate into account: Kiai are actually there to impress bystanders (like civil servants and other state officials). For power development there is no need for kiai. It's even counterproductive in a real fight because a) every movement should be decisive, b) you don't know when it's over, c) the psychological effect is actually nil (there's usally a lot of shouting and yelling) and d) relaxation is even more important in a stress situation.
@BelloBudo007 Also "wrong" or "right" is a matter of perspective: If an organization tells you that it is needed to be right (to rank up in its hierarchy), then it is "right"... But it's actually a fact that okinawan kata did not have fixed kiai. And for the 99%: I'd even say that 99,999% of "karate schools" don't know what they are actually teaching... Someone here named the "hikite-myth" for example - and put it right. The "kime-" or "focus-myth" would be another. Same with kiai...
@eisbombenhagel - Great to see that you feel so passionate about the subject. No doubt there are others who feel equally confident that kiai is productive & a way to stimulate a fight response as opposed to a flight response. As for me I have no opinion either way. Can you recommend a you tube for me to see the type of Okinawan karate that you refer to please?
@eisbombenhagel - Of course that's true. I was more hoping that perhaps there were still some dojo still using the old methods. If not that's okay too. I understand.
@BelloBudo007 First of all, I think that karate has always been a matter of research. At least for Miyagi Chojun this seemed to be true. Also I don't think that there is a single dojo where you could learn "pure, old-style" karate. Karate was composed from various sources. With the introduction in schools it was turned into something quite different and pretty much standardised – even there are various "styles". All of them are tainted by that school karate and this was reimported to Okinawa...
But each kata IS different, telling it's own story, having it's own moral. I will agree that Kata is kata, but you also have to see kata as story being told... The kata Passai (bassai dai, Tomari Bassai, etc) is told in three different ways, but each is about breaching a stronghold. It is a lot like interpretive dance, and the like...
how is it breaching a stronghold? who told you that lmao isn't a kata performing a sequence of fight moves against unseeable opponents??? the only story they could tell is the fight that isn't happening like the moves... also if you were going to say it had a "story" then wouldn't that just be the bunkai?
My gi sounds similar to this, mainly because it is 12 oz fabric. and it sounds really loud on the video because of the BAD acoustics of the room they used, and the fast that the sound quality is poor.
Really? I wasn't aware of a block to the sky? I have done this kata so many times, that I could tell you pretty much every bit of what this kata is doing.... But your version may be a little different. As his is slightly different than mine... Who knows.
not really rubbish at all. it's true. shotokan karate is shito-ryu, plus more. the stances are harder and require alot more leg muscle. the katas are a tad longer, and most punches and blocks require more coordination to do chronologically. hope you understand.
shotokan is not shito-ryu!!!! are you daft! LMFAO Shito-ryu and shotokan are "two" different styles of karate dude like Wado-ryu, Wado-ryu isn't shito-ryu as there both different styles jeez... and as far as the blocks and punches require more co-ordination to do chronologically... what on earth lmao i'm so but the stances are different in length, stances to test your leg muscles are the ones in Senshin, Neianch and the Geki's like Syich or Sarnee... The stances only vary in length this early on
it depends on the katas you are working on. im learning the shito-ryu style and i notticed that each style has different ways of doing it. some katas get easier, some get harder :S
Yo soy un karateka shito ryu de españa, cinto marron, y me gusta mucho este video. I´m a karateka shito ryu from spain, brown ribbon, and I like a lot this movie.
falto el kiay
geraelkpo 3 weeks ago
I prefer my Ninjutsu.
DGHProductions 2 months ago
NICE. If only more people emulated you.
mrthebillman 3 months ago
bem parecido com os katas do estilo shotokan pratico esse estilo e vi bastante semelhança
iagoalvesantos 4 months ago
What belt is this for??
venusaurisgrass 4 months ago
@venusaurisgrass its for white belt 2 stripes, after this is pinan godan for 2-stripers too
laliz2010 4 months ago
@laliz2010 what style do you do? i do wado ryu karate do
venusaurisgrass 4 months ago
@venusaurisgrass
i do shito ryu
laliz2010 3 months ago
jasstr
santiagoelcapo1 4 months ago
YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT A RELIEF IT IS TO FIND THIS lol testing for brown belt wish me luck :P
CutiePie4325 6 months ago
Nerd above me haha
BadmanCarl2012 6 months ago
What karate style is this? I train Shotokan and this is very similar to our Heian Yodan
ZoonCorp 8 months ago
@ZoonCorp This is Shito Ryu, but from the shitokai group, even when is my style (shito ryu) the shitokai do their kata on a diferent way my group does (Budo Deshi), back to your question, for shito ryu the pinan idan, shodan, sandan etc, are the same katas that in shotokan are heian idan, shodan, sandan etc... so its the same kata heian yodan but in another style, hope y help :)
dragonaik333 7 months ago
@ZoonCorp its kimura shukokai :) its a close relative to shotokan
niwka 6 months ago
I'm white belt doing my grading this month. I know katas 1, 2, 3 and 5. This one is such a bugger! Most others have a consistent pattern or some kind of constant you can latch onto to remember them but this ones just all over the place.
AdamusUmbra 9 months ago
i learned it a bit different under sensei Wayne Deerey and sensei Al, the one where your 90degrees( 0:16 and 0:20 ), first punch then kick then(must be just different interpretation), but ty for the vid, helped me alot in jogging my memory :D
niwka 9 months ago
@niwka yea my sensei teach me that kata different to, but in my case my sensei is the shihan of karate-do shito ryu from venezuela, but its just that some people has a different way to teach the same kata :)
dragonaik333 7 months ago
@dragonaik333 because kimura is made to be intrepreted by the learner and not the teacher, its made to help u become stronger by getting the technique used to ur body and style and not by making ur body get used to the technique thats why it varies :) well thats the teachings i recieve anyways :P
niwka 6 months ago
thx i got my kata stripe in karate today thx to u :)
willk098 10 months ago
i also take karate
MyJustinv 11 months ago
i just couldn't remember this and pinan sandan thank you for jogging my memory
KitKatMetzilla 1 year ago
if you can't see the move when his back is completely turned, they are augmented blocks in cat stance.
nice kata will help for my test a lot! Thanks!
SpeciMana 1 year ago
cool
snehilsan 2 years ago
i want to have this kata for the competition:)))
ladygagaromance 2 years ago
@ladygagaromance I've Noticed Shito Ryu karate kata's are harder to win in competition, since judges seem to like the damn "looks" on kata's and not technique. ><
mastechief8 1 year ago
@mastechief8 that is because in shito ryu, the katas are harder because of the positions, by example: the nekuasi dashi ( idk if it is writen that way) or cat feet, in our style is harder than the kokutsu dachi ( the shotokan, still idk if its writen this way) is a litle bit easier.
dragonaik333 7 months ago
im a brown belt and im 13 and mine looks as good as that dude
bubblytoes54 2 years ago
im giving u a thumbs up, good for u dude.
jakeboy588 2 years ago
nice technique. great sound effects!
jnyfknblz 2 years ago
Chambering at the hip is there to train the Karateka to grab and pull whatever they can grab, breaking the opponents center-line, making them vulnerable. In combat, hands are held high for defense and speed. Thanks to Kata, the hikite (chambering motion) is hard wired in to grab and pull.
redneckninjanc 2 years ago 8
true, hikite has alot of uses. but i've also seen it have detrimental effects. ie...since it is so hard wired and you do it every time you punch when you do kata, kihon and some types of kumite...you'll do it automatically since it is so 'hard wired' ..so i have seen many people not realize they are doing it and get nailed because of it.
kempobrad 2 years ago
So should we take up kempo?
Nosferatu303 2 years ago
can't you make up your own mind?
kempobrad 2 years ago
Why don't boxers, kickboxers & MMA guys chamber their punches at the hip?
talon115 2 years ago
First of all, it's important to remember that this is kata, and most karateka would probably not chamber fully when in an actual confrontation. Also, boxers and kickboxers don't generally practice kata.
Second, it is important for karateka to chamber because much of the power in a strike is derived from the hips. This is different from boxers, kick boxers, or non-karate based MM artists, who don't generally concentrate on their hips as much when striking.
Fishykun 2 years ago
In Chinese martial arts, however, the waist is highly emphasized, and the elbow and the wrist and legs. Depending on the style, the heel is raised or not raised during a straight punch. For me as a Chinese martial arts practitioner, the punches in karate look very refined. I've seen the effects of good karate punches enough to see that they are powerful enough to cause internal bleeding
Are punches to the head meant to cause knock-outs in karate, or are punches directed more to the torso?
MaBu888 2 years ago 2
its very slow and telegraphed. katas (forms) arnt made as an actual fighting technique. you wouldnt actually do moves this exact way. they improve power(if done correctly) they increase mental confidence but theyre not completely for actual fighting
pandaguy666 2 years ago 2
because they are fighting. karate is civilian self defense, they are two different things. in kumite the hands are held high (most of the time) ...as for self defense..most of the time people have their hands low, in their pockets, folded arms etc...not raised. so its useful to be able to punch from there. and from there you can punch any target, from your chin its difficult to punch downward when in close for example. it has MANY uses. but can sometimes be bad too (see my other reply above)
kempobrad 2 years ago
I have a test on this kata tomorrow! Nicely done.
anonymous2349 2 years ago 2
i study shitoryu an there's sum subtle differences in the way i hav been taught to do this kata, it seems like the ending to this is kept short! in the version i was taught there is a palm strike then return to niko stance at the end before finishing. nice kata tho, and interesting to watch :)
gianttrials 2 years ago
each school seems to have its variation and interpreitation to it
HunterBelmont01 2 years ago
I love this one. I totally adore it! This kata I've performed on my first competiton. It's quite easy because I've learned it, and I have white obi.
newbornalpha 2 years ago
I do Shorin-ryu...i'm a 3rd degree brown belt although its been quite a while sense i've done it all...i miss it wish i had the time to go back
crash05053 2 years ago
im up to passi sho
assmotrone43 2 years ago
ye i do shukokai karate and im on blue belt and this is my kata.
mklegend96 2 years ago
oh, it really bothers me when he doesn't raise his toes when he kicks, I don't know it's just a pet peeve...
ImpromptuCam 2 years ago
Ah, i can never seem to memorize the moves to this one!
ImpromptuCam 2 years ago
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FlyingFighter 3 years ago
i do wado-ryu and we do it well differently to this, but never mind :) im learning kushanku, its really long compared to godan :/
MultiColouredSoxRok 3 years ago
I had just got my green belt yesterday on January 30th and well i am still trying to learn Yondan, I have seen it a lot but still never really caught onto it
TheRyoha 3 years ago
im purple... iwould have been brown but i couldnt go to the grading... if you keep practicing youll eventually get it.. coz iv been learning kushanku for ages and iv finally got it... conragts on passing the gradin btw.
MultiColouredSoxRok 3 years ago
Good luck guys :D. Be careful of taking in other styles for your Wado gradings as they are very different. I am having to change my Wado training to a more neutral karate at the moment to do an all styles black belt test. Concentrate on Wado first then worry about other styles. Enjoy watching other versions but don't use them to learn Wado Ryu.
Tonyswain 3 years ago
I shukokai !
FlyingFighter 3 years ago
whats with the yoko geri??
kumitetom 3 years ago
its front kick,its originaly so. shotokan has yoko geri cos funakoshi changed it.
delphlee 3 years ago
this kata e faster and stronger :S
i guess...
isnt it?
PedroOvM 3 years ago
Beautifully performed it would only be better with the kiai (shout), btw, what's with all these guys bragging about their styles saying my style is better than your style or my martial art is better than your martial art? jeez i thought only kiddies argued like that. If you can't say anything positive or constructive just keep your mouth shut
RinKongH 3 years ago 22
@RinKongH is a difference betwen styles i do karate to and i know
MrJuliano14 4 months ago
@RinKongH - Yep I wonder why no kiai?
BelloBudo007 3 months ago
@BelloBudo007 Well, let's ask: Why kiai? In old-style okinawan kata, there weren't defined points for kiai. There are certainly more important things for power development (or force deflection!) than (flashy) kiai – like, let's say chinkuchi and other related (internal) concepts of karate...
eisbombenhagel 3 months ago
@eisbombenhagel - Mmm that's interesting. I've actually never really considered kiai as 'flashy' before. So it seems 99% of karate schools have it wrong then? This is Shito Ryu kata and while I don't know a lot about that school I'm quietly confident that they usually employ kiai along with other methods of training to develop focus, speed and power etc.
BelloBudo007 3 months ago
@BelloBudo007 Well, you should take the history of karate into account: Kiai are actually there to impress bystanders (like civil servants and other state officials). For power development there is no need for kiai. It's even counterproductive in a real fight because a) every movement should be decisive, b) you don't know when it's over, c) the psychological effect is actually nil (there's usally a lot of shouting and yelling) and d) relaxation is even more important in a stress situation.
eisbombenhagel 3 months ago
@BelloBudo007 Also "wrong" or "right" is a matter of perspective: If an organization tells you that it is needed to be right (to rank up in its hierarchy), then it is "right"... But it's actually a fact that okinawan kata did not have fixed kiai. And for the 99%: I'd even say that 99,999% of "karate schools" don't know what they are actually teaching... Someone here named the "hikite-myth" for example - and put it right. The "kime-" or "focus-myth" would be another. Same with kiai...
eisbombenhagel 3 months ago
@eisbombenhagel - Great to see that you feel so passionate about the subject. No doubt there are others who feel equally confident that kiai is productive & a way to stimulate a fight response as opposed to a flight response. As for me I have no opinion either way. Can you recommend a you tube for me to see the type of Okinawan karate that you refer to please?
BelloBudo007 3 months ago
@BelloBudo007 I highly doubt that there are any 19th century karate clips on youtube... Really... ;)
eisbombenhagel 3 months ago
@eisbombenhagel - Of course that's true. I was more hoping that perhaps there were still some dojo still using the old methods. If not that's okay too. I understand.
BelloBudo007 3 months ago
@BelloBudo007 First of all, I think that karate has always been a matter of research. At least for Miyagi Chojun this seemed to be true. Also I don't think that there is a single dojo where you could learn "pure, old-style" karate. Karate was composed from various sources. With the introduction in schools it was turned into something quite different and pretty much standardised – even there are various "styles". All of them are tainted by that school karate and this was reimported to Okinawa...
eisbombenhagel 3 months ago
This is the latest kata I am working on.
JoshLucas5 3 years ago
me too ! :D and naihanchi shodan
niklasradstrom 3 years ago
I am up to pinan godan now.
JoshLucas5 3 years ago
the most pleasant pinan for me...
lepivert 4 years ago
kata is kata no matter how many blocks and kicks and punches it has.
PakDaeHan 4 years ago
right you are.
MonsterMashKiller 4 years ago
But each kata IS different, telling it's own story, having it's own moral. I will agree that Kata is kata, but you also have to see kata as story being told... The kata Passai (bassai dai, Tomari Bassai, etc) is told in three different ways, but each is about breaching a stronghold. It is a lot like interpretive dance, and the like...
davefarber 4 years ago
ok I also can agree with that! well said!
PakDaeHan 4 years ago
how is it breaching a stronghold? who told you that lmao isn't a kata performing a sequence of fight moves against unseeable opponents??? the only story they could tell is the fight that isn't happening like the moves... also if you were going to say it had a "story" then wouldn't that just be the bunkai?
Jonoridge 3 years ago
i'm trying to learn this for my next grading in shorinji-ryu karate-do I train under shihan scott brown!!!! look him up he's awesome.
shorinjiryuu 4 years ago
his open hand blocks are weak.
PakDaeHan 4 years ago
bellissimo il video
capvive 4 years ago
WHAT IS ALL THAT FAKE SOUND EFFECTS!!
PakDaeHan 4 years ago
yes, it sounds like some kind of metal-effect.
this is probably because of the poor sound-quality, and NOT an intended effect
00tmps 4 years ago
definately fake sounds or he is using too much starch on his gi?
PakDaeHan 4 years ago
No. It's a poor bitrate and that's all.
trust me.
shorinjiryuu 4 years ago
My gi sounds similar to this, mainly because it is 12 oz fabric. and it sounds really loud on the video because of the BAD acoustics of the room they used, and the fast that the sound quality is poor.
davefarber 4 years ago
e missed out a block, youre supposed to do a block up to the sky when you do the cross arm block
keiranhancock 4 years ago
Really? I wasn't aware of a block to the sky? I have done this kata so many times, that I could tell you pretty much every bit of what this kata is doing.... But your version may be a little different. As his is slightly different than mine... Who knows.
davefarber 4 years ago
What type of Karate do you do. This man is doing Genbukai Shito-Ryo.
MonsterMashKiller 4 years ago
I practice in Shudokan Karate as well as Isshinryu Karate. Wikipedia Shudokan for more info on that style. It is NOT Shotokan.
davefarber 4 years ago
Hm. I used to train in the style "Shotokan." It's alot harder than "Shito-Ryu".....
MonsterMashKiller 4 years ago
wow that's not absolute rubbish is it... saying a style is harder is rubbish lol
Jonoridge 3 years ago
not really rubbish at all. it's true. shotokan karate is shito-ryu, plus more. the stances are harder and require alot more leg muscle. the katas are a tad longer, and most punches and blocks require more coordination to do chronologically. hope you understand.
MonsterMashKiller 3 years ago
shotokan is not shito-ryu!!!! are you daft! LMFAO Shito-ryu and shotokan are "two" different styles of karate dude like Wado-ryu, Wado-ryu isn't shito-ryu as there both different styles jeez... and as far as the blocks and punches require more co-ordination to do chronologically... what on earth lmao i'm so but the stances are different in length, stances to test your leg muscles are the ones in Senshin, Neianch and the Geki's like Syich or Sarnee... The stances only vary in length this early on
Jonoridge 3 years ago
Shotokan is NOT shito-ryu. Shotokan was based on a style called Shorin-ryu. Shotokan katas require more leg muscle because the stances are lower.
dynamic21 3 years ago
it depends on the katas you are working on. im learning the shito-ryu style and i notticed that each style has different ways of doing it. some katas get easier, some get harder :S
PedroOvM 3 years ago
hmmmm when and where is this block suppost to be? I practice this style and am unfamiliar with a sky block.
karatekickass1661 3 years ago
this version looks easier than the kyokushinkai way which i kinda have trouble with
fmz703 4 years ago
Yo soy un karateka shito ryu de españa, cinto marron, y me gusta mucho este video. I´m a karateka shito ryu from spain, brown ribbon, and I like a lot this movie.
carlosescipion 4 years ago
Excellent
robwag2002 4 years ago
first comment
mobbdeepazndre 4 years ago