League of Legends - S2 Jungle Shyvana (red path)

[nifflan]

stfu with m5 ... just... argh... I give up

[Promethiustehawesome]

NO buff masteries?

[TheAngryAsianChild]

upload masterys please

[Obliza2]

@stonewall008 What do you think of the Destruction runes? (ArmPen/MPen) Are they any good on any champion? Any dps increase?

[TheDJAB]

Can you do this route with a vampiric cepter if you get a pull at red ?

[aidsfart222]

@TheDJAB you can, but you will be at pretty low health as you finish your clear. i like taking cloth 5 better because it allows for safer early invasion and early ganks.

[allkevin03]

@aidsfart222 ya i cloth 5 too, i usually take the other junglers other wraiths/wolves and red/blue respectively. then go clear my jungle,(or gank if i have red) and since i had cloth 5, im not at risk as much if i go boots etc.

[ham236]

mundo is faster

[Gustave154]

@ham236 if shyvana invades mundo hes dead lol

[allkevin03]

@ham236 and the sun is blue

[Gustave154]

shyvana is so strong now just because m5 used her effectively lol...

[fractuz]

The Music reminds me of the temple of time theme from OoT.

[eragon21]

is there a situation where you would pick shyvana over udyr? i mean, her W reminds me of phoenix/bear. other than that udyr has more sustain and CC. or should i not be comparing these two champs?

[allkevin03]

@eragon21 the thing with udyr, is that his mana sustain is low, whereas shyvana has no mana so she has alot of flexibility in that sense. even with his w's mana steal, it doesnt help as much if your trying to clear your jungle quikly.

[eragon21]

@allkevin03 tiger maybe, but not phoenix. i have no mana problems with phoenix in the jungle.

[Zedd4711]

You didn't show me anything new, sadly.

[vietdvn]

Yo Stonewall, will the double golems be up in time for this path after bot takes it?

[CoIdAshes]

@vietdvn

of course not, no need to be stonewall to know that

on the blue path

the double golem respawn after half of the red

or

at the begining if you go back to wolf before doing red

there is asbolutely no way in hell they will be back especially with a fast jungler like shyvana

[Tsuutenpou]

Is there a way to see the specific path for masteries? I'm kind of unsure which way to go

[rappelzuser]

Do you think it can be done under 3 minutes if you get boots?

[Eragah]

What do you think of getting E as your second skill with her? Would it allow you to gank more efficiently @ level 2 (yes I know the red buff doesn't work with it anymore) or is Q superior even if you decide to go for an early gank?

[patti1s0n]

@Eragah max w 1st, then 1 point in q at 2 and leave it there and then max e

[CoIdAshes]

@Eragah

it normally depends on whats happening

the main thing with the E is that it lowers the enemy armor

Its good for ganking top because you and your laner are most likely both physical dps

its useless for mid because your laner is doing magic dmg

and for bot it depends on who the comp

if top as a bad matchup or stuck under his tower then E for the gank

other than that Q and mid all the way

[VanillaPixas]

2 op 3:15 o.o

[MegaFoch]

when do I put a point in E?

[KeirGroves]

@MegaFoch Level 4.

[v0jin0]

Is it possible to jungle with leona?

[rafa3lico]

Hey man, maybe do a s2 jungle blitz? not necessarely in depth like the other one, i'd really apreciate it :D

[SheffiTB]

Do jungle twitch!

[Ubercheese42]

No1 selfish champion, at least in solo que. She's a lot of fun to play but every time your team is screaming for ganks you're busy jungling or counterjunglinng :P

[darkblade175]

What do you think of M5's Counterjungle Shyvanna?

[stonewall008]

@darkblade175 that is just Shyvana...from the day she was made I kept telling people that she's a control jungler. She's an invader type jungler.

[Sephiroth0232]

Hey stonewall, did you watch the IEM Kiev finals? If yes what do you think about Moscow five's jungle strategy?

[stonewall008]

@Sephiroth0232 it wasn't 5 jungle - it was "let's make their laners pay for not warding"

[Sephiroth0232]

@stonewall008

Moscow five is their name , and they actually bought a ton of pink wards from what I saw. Why do you think they made the laners pay if they were stealing the jungle mobs from the enemy team?

[UnDeadSpaceTroll]

@stonewall008 Do you really think it had to do with warding?

IMO it had to do with the fact the M5 pushed lanes so hard. Finals game 1: Shyvana outpushes Irelia, game 2 Irelia can 't outpush tryndamere, game 3 > see game 1.

Atleast that 's what I think about it. Of course the first steal always has to do with warding/use of cv I guess..

[dennypwnsall]

@stonewall008 I think he meant the team Moscow five. so their strategy. But I guess you answered his question anyway

[Mongollik]

S2 Jungl Nunu plz

[hurr1can]

Challenge : Jungle Garen.

Gank : Hide in bushes till they get low, then flash ulti their face.

[LiedPwNzU]

@MrFlamoose mallet probab

[Oamlzy]

They should make a soviet shyvana skin.

[MerodocWeb]

k sao me being a fairly new player and cheap ass i dont have more than 2 rune pages atm i have a basic ad carry page and half complete caster page my ad carry page kinda fits this description with 15 flat ad with armor and mr for the rest. woulda that work?

[spudcole319]

Stonewall, what about MS quints for Shyvana?

[ppgm19]

I really dont play junglers, but i watch those guides just for the perfect music

[yourmum30]

shyvana is just so gud

[MrFlamoose]

Hey stonewall, I've been playing shyvana a lot lately, and I can jungle just fine with her, I used the same red path as you did in this video for the last week or so(seemed to be the fastest to me) however, my ganks are kind of bad. How do you recommend building her? Most people argue between frozen mallet and triforce on her, as she needs some cc. Thoughts?

[Murlescent]

@MrFlamoose

I may not be Stonewall but I want to help answer. Personally, when I gank, I try to go around completely to cut them off. Or to try, rather. If you can, try to get your guys in the lane to start up a fight so they use their CDs. If not just try to gank them in order to make them burn their summoners. As for items I get wriggles, merc treads, aegis, wits end, and build against w/e the opposition has.

[MrFlamoose]

@Murlescent Okay, thats essentially what/how I do shyvana. I am just trying to decide on the triforce/mallet

[Murlescent]

@MrFlamoose

Yeah I would reccomend Mallet, I build that most of the time. It just helps you stick onto targets and gives you a butt ton of hp. Idk about triforce though, never tried it.

[TrdgicHunter]

M5 rapes with shyv? better make a you tube video for her.

[Besyrr]

@TrdgicHunter You were watching it as well? Yeah the Jungle Shyvana made them win practically all of those Intelem Kieve matches... it's inspired me to try it out :D

[LeaugeOfBoxes]

Could you stretch the size of the video to full? And maby make the quality abit higher? If you can't because you dont have a good enough computer thats completly fine. But if you could it would be great :) I Love your videos

[LeaugeOfBoxes]

@LeaugeOfBoxes Sorry i had 240p on but the thing about stretching the video would be nice.

[Murlescent]

Hey Stonewall, I know you get a lot of comments. But I was wondering if you can tell us the respawn time on the camps? I'm sorry if you've already posted it somewhere or something, I just can't find it anywhere and I'm kind of curious.. so yeah. Thanks

[tech2kn0w]

@Murlescent Small camps 50 seconds i think, buffs are 5min, dragon is 6 min, baron is 7 min...

small camps spawn at 1:40, buffs spawn at 1:55, dragon spawn at 2 min? i believe. baron spawn at 15 min

[Murlescent]

@tech2kn0w

Oh, I was just looking for how long the camps took to respawn. That was all, thanks though

[gidanITA]

from Moscow5?

[ChazuLicious]

Can you do a Nidalee jungle video? :D Wanna see you pull that one off succesfully. AD Nidalee offcourse

[bifanario]

hey stonewall, what do u think of m5 diamondez shyvana at iem kiev?

[UnDeadSpaceTroll]

Stonewall, do you consider Shyvana to be a stronger counterjungler than Lee Sin?

Because killing people in their jungle is a trivial task for Lee Sin, but his mid-late game damage kinda falls off even tho he gets really really fed. So would shyvana be able to do the same, but with a stronger mid-late?

[stonewall008]

@UnDeadSpaceTroll It's hard to compare the two. Shyvana brings with her a boat load of damage but Lee Sin has a lot of durability and control. She's a strong thief and a strong duelist - so by no means is she weak. She's better at trying to ambush the enemy jungler - if she manages to stick to them she's likely going to snap their legs.

Look up "hyper aggressive shyvana"

[lumpidu4u]

@UnDeadSpaceTroll watch M5's Shyvanna

[cryer3160]

can someone tell me if her dragon form q will proc more than 1 ionic spark due to it being two hit to all enemies in front of her?

[horten229pilot]

@cryer3160 It hits only 1 enemy, though the ability does AoE damage to others.

[CaptinPudding]

@cryer3160 stack tiamats its op

[Machimachina]

So Stonewall, which do you consider the better option: Ionic Spark or Wriggle's? I've seen how fast Ionic makes her clears, but I feel that the sustain/utility of Wriggle's makes it the better option.

[buMonko]

What is the merit's of a shyvana level 4 gank, vs a level 6 route. Since shyvana can farm her jungle to 6 with sustain like a lot of junglers can't (to 6 atleast) it would make sense to me, at least for solo queue to just farm to six and be badass dragon. Yeah, I watched those M5 games. I think it requires the team for the 4 ganks. (or atleast a heckaofalot cc and someone in lanes who understands how to initiate.)

[stonewall008]

@buMonko level 3-4 to invade is sexy - ganking with exhaust can bring some possibilities. If you have a team with all snares/stuns then you can bring in some shyvana lane pain.

[JonnyD0G87]

jungle sona on the way

[LovegoodSpirit]

I would love to see Shyvana Team Battle (voiced), not very sure how to jungle properly with her

[TheElric1996]

Where can i see your Tier list?

Link would be nice :)

[MidnighttToker9881]

ok, stonewall, i dont have enough for attack speed quints, so i was wondering what would be a better choice for now, armor pen or crit strike?

[Floviken1]

@MidnighttToker9881 he didnt use attack sped quints in this vid either to get 12 ArP and 14% AS

[stonewall008]

@MidnighttToker9881 arp

[baxser91]

Hay Stone is Riven viable after patch?

[LKEdits]

@baxser91 yup

atleast as toplaner

[baxser91]

@LKEdits Are you Stonewall? who asked you about your opinion?!!

[LKEdits]

@baxser91 wow, aggresive bro?

[NLPaulus]

@stonewall008 What would be best,lvl 2 gank or invade if you have boots?

[Sonti360]

@NLPaulus

Shes bad invader/ganker, since she lacks cc, its better to perm steal camps and abck out instanly, try to not face their jungler

[Trowter]

@Sonti360 uhhh...did you seen M5's game?

[Floviken1]

@NLPaulus depends on ur enemy jungler as well, a lvl 2 gank is alwasy strong

[swepower123]

Stonewall, is she the fastest atm?

[ChazuLicious]

Inspired by Diamondez of M5? :p

[purasangre91]

Skill Order

WQW ---> WQQ

[haarbal1997]

@purasangre91 ?

[MRsamulito]

@purasangre91 why do extra single target damage when u can do extra aoe?

[stonewall008]

@purasangre91 no

[purasangre91]

@stonewall008 i just do red at lvl 1 and then i gank bot at min 2:05, later gollems and wraiths

[MrGodzillahin]

@stonewall008 explain why please.

[MrGodzillahin]

@stonewall008 explain why not.

[TheVizHD]

@stonewall008 heimerdinger I mean.

[TheVizHD]

@stonewall008 can u make a tutorial how to jungle grinder.

[TheBoscoBear]

Moscow 5

[stucktj]

great choice in music

[ybaby1990]

Do u think you can survive the path using flat dmg Quits + red instead; and do u think you can clear the path by 3:30 using these runes?

[moetyman]

Hey stone if i go boots 3 hp instead of cloth armor would i survive wraiths -> red no leash?

[Kaleopolitus]

@moetyman Perhaps, but you wouldn't be able to finish your jungle for lack of health. 

[yuri778]

Jungle Poppy plz. =]=]

[waddledeesarmy]

Have you tried vamp sceptre? works well

[MidnighttToker9881]

Hey stonewall, i was wondering, i've tried lifesteal quints on her for jungling, would this be worth it for the extra sustain, or am i just wasting my time and should pick different runes?

[stonewall008]

@MidnighttToker9881 lifesteal runes are awful

[jKazej]

@stonewall008 What do you think about Spell Vamp Quints though?

[QwertZyXD]

@stonewall008

Lifesteal runes are pretty bad, but they can make Jarvan shine. I tried clothpot Jarvan & Lifesteal jarvan. Yes cloth armor is better, but if you get the lifesteal quins, lifesteal mastery you can start the game with a vampiric sceptor, saving some money. The good thing is that you can actually still farm the jungle, while cloth start requiers recall to shop. Could you try it out and give me your opinion?

[keegan15000]

would movespeed quints be worth it on her?

[leetheloopylobster]

Thank you once again for an informative video stonewall, I really appreciate these, and I hope I never have to vs you in jungle :P

[DIChronicAddict1]

Team Battle Shyvana! Make it happen!

[trentwearsfape]

Can you go vamp scepter?

[YungIce12]

What is considered too slow of a clear time when clear the jungle to level 4 and level 6?

[cryer3160]

i wanted to say fuck shyvanna, go udyr, but i just bought her and tried, she is unexpectedly fast, though not as safe as udyr, her ganking is lacking though... but yeah colby as a genius for putting smite/exhaust on her

[stonewall008]

@cryer3160 ...colby wasn't the one who put exhaust on her. Exhaust on junglers has always been a considered option for them.

[Edremis]

@stonewall008 So, the fastest jungler as of this patch goes; Red path Olaf and then udyr, mundo and shyvana in their somewhere? In terms of purely speed.

[Intensithy]

@stonewall008 wait so when your jungling with champs with poor ganking potential you get exhaust?

[stonewall008]

@Intensithy yeah - and exhaust can also help you crush someone in a duel. Even carrying exhaust can make them think twice about staying to fight you.

[JesterMereel]

@cryer3160 >calling colbycheeze a genius

>implying he's good at this game

>implying his opinion is worth listening to

[x3Sunset]

@cryer3160 I think you just play her wrong.

[Mrreeeeeemix]

hardest part about jungle shyvana = getting a team that wont flame you in champ select

[angus271]

would it be okay to use movespeed quints?

[saske1305]

dyrus always leveling up e l0l

[Maj0rskillz]

Does using more than one potion stack? I never tried that incase I was wasting them.

[stonewall008]

@Maj0rskillz no they queue up - it's so once one ends the other one starts

[Metalhorns96]

@stonewall008 stonewall, try jungle brand. Since the S2 jungle is all about AOE, brand is pretty suitable for it. l0l

[stonewall008]

@Metalhorns96 he can actually manage to do a joke run on him :P

[Metalhorns96]

@stonewall008 so will there be a video coming soon? A team battle maybe? :P

[MielBarcel]

team-battle shyvana stonewall, pretty pls <3

[Briosaurus8]

Stonewall is Q is the clear cut choice to max second now that red buff isn't procc'd by E?

[stonewall008]

@Briosaurus8 even if E still procced red - you'd only need one point. It's such an awful ability.

[tommyoldham]

@stonewall008 E does more damage why is Q better

[CXG44]

@tommyoldham Resets autoattack timer, applies on hit effects, double attack. The list goes on, stonewall could probably do a better job explaining, but yeah.

[Carddog12]

what do u think about ad reds and quints for her

[azngod1]

stone do you recommend rushing ionic spark like i have seen people said or just going for wriggles?

[treek0o]

I guess you could say that shes...

*sunglasses*

on fire.



[Slickpc]

Stonewall008, You have taught me everything i know today about LoL, i thank you my master.

[Hyrulianfan]

Um... Can you post any team battle or give any tips for Shyvana to showcase how to use your red path ganks more effectively? I recently tried this in a game and I somehow screw up and my red buff usually wears off in the middle of my 1st gank or before my 2nd possible gank. I feel like that I'm not doing something correctly. Are you supposed to pick a fight with the other jungler?

[stonewall008]

@Hyrulianfan look up "aggressive shyvana"

[heppers88]

you change your mind after watching the M5 match? that guy was a beast jungler

[stonewall008]

@heppers88 I didn't watch it.

[HakenRPG]

Too bad shes getting way 2 famous even on tournaments :( gona get nerfed, knowing how Riot reacts to qq

[3012mathias]

Dang, that's what i call speed.

[Djinra]

Blue path is for pussies.

[dorfmageful]

I have mostly played Dragon Girl at top lane, but im starting to get interested in her jungle possibilities :>

[theipkforfun]

@stonewall008 what do you think of the new jungle riven, tryndmere, and shaco after their recent changes because to me jungle tryn seemed like a very good option in matches.

[stonewall008]

@theipkforfun only one really affected was shaco - and it wasn't by much

[Promethiustehawesome]

You should work at riot xD

[CaiusTSR]

Damn son.

[GamersBliss]

blue path is way better.. that way you don't waste red and you can let your mid get the second blue faster... I main Shyvana

[stonewall008]

@GamersBliss actually it isn't. In most cases - you want to grab red and immediately start getting aggressive on the enemy jungler or laners using exhaust. Shyvana is one of the most damage intense duelists and she can abuse her speed to harass the enemy junglers and cripple them.

[408449]

@stonewall008 So with this we want an Shyvana commentary!

[GamersBliss]

@stonewall008 Oh I see.. I just like that way more.. Thanks for the tips i'll try it! :)

[Zimbagwe26]

@GamersBliss

Who the fuck has mains, and doing red path you can just give ur mid the first blue.

[GamersBliss]

@Zimbagwe26 I just play her a lot lately.. That's all i meant by I main her lol.. and i need the xp from blue at first so i can get the whole jungle route go back then gank..

[IDBC94]

@GamersBliss Just because you main someone doesn't mean you play them the most optimal way, or that you are good

[GamersBliss]

@IDBC94 wasn't saying that lol... I just was saying i liked that way more..

[loglog7]

@GamersBliss the fact that you are saying this means you aren't a very good player. Jungle starts depends entirely on your team and the enemies team. If there is a squishy team pushing bot with a non mana user in mid (like vlad) then it is way better to go red first and gank early.

[GamersBliss]

@loglog7 Hmm, good points.. I messaged stonewall back and i'm going to try it his way.. Thank you for the tips though :)

[loglog7]

@GamersBliss np

[JesterMereel]

@GamersBliss You main her? WELL ROLL OUT THE RED CARPET FELLAS, WE GOTTA SHYVANA PRODIGY UP IN THIS BITCH.

[GamersBliss]

@JesterMereel i just play her alot.. lol.. why is everybody freaking out? Hotshot mains riven.. all i mean by THAT is that's who he plays most lately..

[JesterMereel]

@GamersBliss Was there something about my response that made you think I was freaking out?

[Monimatt13]

I never really got into Jungle shyvana , Whats your take on her. Btw I'm a nocturne and rammus kinda of jungle guy.

[SamieOld]

<3



[xxxluckyxxx]

fastest jangler xD

[Veyloris]

Awesome, I look forward to killing bitches with best champion.

I missed playing her in jungle, but this path will make me able to again, I hope.

[crest4578]

HELLO STONERWALL