I told you i don't hate Albanians, but although some Albanians that i've met are great people in general the Albanians do not have a nice name in Greece considering the fact that many Albanians have been cought stealing or even 3 years ago in Christmas when an Albanian shot and killed 2 Greek police officers. Im not saying that the Greeks are saints im only talking about Albanians in Greece. No offence mate but this is the truth.
@JamesGREEK26 , these thinks happen everywhere,everywhere you have criminals., better us in greece then etopians arabs and turks. whe are your neighbour. for thousand of years
@ktm066 I know that. But the thing is that many Arvanites that live in Greece consider themselves Greeks, i know many Arvanites that's why im telling you this, im not making it up. Go to wikipeida, type Arvanites and see what it is said about them. Plz do that.
The Arvanites were people of Albanian origin that spoke arvanitika, a subbranch of the Tosk dialect of the Albanian language, they settled in Greece during the middle ages, and self-identified as Greeks. They spoke both Greek and arvanitika, their religion was Greek orthodox, and offered great help to the Greek war of independence. They say that they are not Albanians although they have some similarities with them and that Greece is their homeland. So Albanian and Arvanite is not the same.
you started out good but then it became flawed.arvanites and albanians are the same blood and ancestry.what borders or what national(modern) identity they have is usseless now to argue this are arvanites albanians or albanians arbanites.
As you know many Arvanites live in Greece. I know some Arvanites and they speak both Greek and Arvanitika but not Albanian. I know they are of Albanian origin, but they claim that Greece is their homeland and not Albania. Many famous Arvanites such as Kolokotroni, Botsari, Miaouli, fought for Greece in the Greek war of independence and self-identified as Greeks.The Albanians and the Arvanites are just like the Greeks and the Cypriots if compared together only the last ones have better relations
since you seem to "know" the difference then surely you speak them both or have the knowledge.would you mind giving some facts or examples.and if you know an arvanite under about 40 who can really speak any dialect of arvanite in greece call ripleys.
i dont know who claims that but regardless i dont disagree with it.the modern nation of greece is their home.all those old heroes spoke 0 greek by the way and absolutely they did not fight for a notion of greece they fought for the land they lived in.dont mislabel it.how do you know about their self-identification???? personal experience memuares or what??? gut feeling??? albanians and arvanites are two brothers that time and circumstances have split them in different ways but still one blood.
I know that the Arvanites self-identified as Greeks because i've read in different encyclopedias about them and their life and i've also read documents that they had written (especially about Kolokotroni and Botsari). They were in Greek with some arvanite words. Furthermore they did fight for Greece that's why when Greece was liberated the nation was named Greece and not Arvania or something like that. Anyway no need to argue about this.
It's not a stupid conclusion if you have done research about the Arvanites, just like Greeks and Cypriots is not the same despite the fact that cypriots speak Greek and have many similarities with the Greeks. Albanian language and arvanitika is not the same asshole how can you say that, they have some similarities but are different languages. Finally not all Arvanites speak albanian. They speak Arvanitika and Greek cuz it happens to know many arvanites, do some research plz, go to wikipedia.
i am a Geg from north and i anderstant arvanites .i been in Folorina Greece and i spocke with arvanite from Folorina .We spocke albanian no proplem hi spoke pure albanian.i didn't find any diffculty.
According to wikipedia (an encyclopedia site in case you dont know) it says that Arvanitika (the language of the Arvanites is also described as Graeco-Albanian although today such designations are considered offensive by many Arvanites themselves who identify nationally and ethnically as Greeks and not Albanians. This is not for all Arvanites but for the majority of them.
Nuk ka lidhje me historinë ajo që thotë ai. Miqësia me Turqinë sot është e domosdoshme për ne. Edhe për faktin që turqit kanë influencuar shumë në kulturën tonë edhe të gjithë ballkanit.
Scanderbeg was in 1444, Albania is 2009. Things have changed a lot since then. Everything changes. Enemies yesterday, friends and brothers today. Greeks and Slavs were once enemies, today best friends (Serbs and Greeks). Albs and Turks were once enemies, but things have changed. And no I never went to any Turk college. I simply acknowledge reality, which you can see even on youtube. Albs and Turks will ALWAYS be brothers, enemies of Greco-Shkja!!
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Im 100% Albanian. 90% of Albanian people in Kosova, Shqiperi, Ilirida and Montenegro are Muslims and ask them if they are or are not brothers with Turks.
Albanians and Turks have been and always will be brothers! Arvanites hate us, so fuck them! Are you brothers with radical Orthodox Christians, like the Serbs? Where were they to support us in Kosova? Turkey did. It was the first to support bombing Serbia. Shqiptaret dhe Turqet jan VLLEZER PERGJITHMONE!!!
The greeks of today are form Anatolia who came as a population exchange. The only true population of of the old Greece were only Arvanites and Cams or Thesprotian.
Go read a decent book to open your horizon, if you have any.
Modern Greeks really need to get over anti Turk hysteria as their liberation war was over one 100 years ago and Greece is not threatened by Turks, which they strangely they still identify with all Muslims!! That is just stupid! It's true that a large number of Albanians became muslims but they never became Turks, and always remained more silmilar to their Christian brothers that to Turks. Greeks who converted to Islam were never allowed to be Greek on the other hand.
Greeks can kill us, can close the schools to that learn our language, can do whatever they want but they cant kill our spirit because this language and those traditions will survive because they go from grandfather to grandkids. Arvanites will wake up someday and will say again that they need their language to be an offical language in Greece.
moj shume lule, shkuane, moj po si ti shpetuane, moj vajzene e gjeimariti, moj tuajat oh ssssssss moj ore e mire, ora kali, moj ti dhromi ti qe zure ti, moj ore e mira, te te gjete, moj ti dhromi qe zure vete :P :P ssssssssssssss ohhhh this is sweet, sweet, sweet :P :P :P
sssss :P ah how beautiful is the ALBANIAN Arbereshe song and music :P we have to orgnise concerts of Arbereshi in London(britain),and ales in europe and the world!all the earth must learn and understand this is our albanian pride,and this jewls are prt of the treasures of the albanian folk tradition :P !opa
mallakastrioti vellai.. une i dua keto kenget qe ke vene ketu plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :P !CDne e Thanas Moraitit i kam degjuar te gjithe kenget.. por keto qe ke vene ti ne arvanitic songs 1&2 nuk i kam degjua asnjehere!sidomos kete kengen e pare ketu .. te trendafilit :P.. I need it man :)
Je njesh si gjithe Mallakastriotet
Bravo ! Nje krenari me shume per Mallakastriotet .
Adriano2214 2 years ago
I told you i don't hate Albanians, but although some Albanians that i've met are great people in general the Albanians do not have a nice name in Greece considering the fact that many Albanians have been cought stealing or even 3 years ago in Christmas when an Albanian shot and killed 2 Greek police officers. Im not saying that the Greeks are saints im only talking about Albanians in Greece. No offence mate but this is the truth.
JamesGREEK26 2 years ago
@JamesGREEK26
it´s caught not cought
mjutsu2 1 year ago
@mjutsu2 Ok man i know i just typed it wrong
JamesGREEK26 1 year ago
@JamesGREEK26 , these thinks happen everywhere,everywhere you have criminals., better us in greece then etopians arabs and turks. whe are your neighbour. for thousand of years
agon1984 1 year ago
What are you talking about, care to explain better, cause you are very limited!
topallia 2 years ago
@ktm066 I know that. But the thing is that many Arvanites that live in Greece consider themselves Greeks, i know many Arvanites that's why im telling you this, im not making it up. Go to wikipeida, type Arvanites and see what it is said about them. Plz do that.
JamesGREEK26 2 years ago
The Arvanites were people of Albanian origin that spoke arvanitika, a subbranch of the Tosk dialect of the Albanian language, they settled in Greece during the middle ages, and self-identified as Greeks. They spoke both Greek and arvanitika, their religion was Greek orthodox, and offered great help to the Greek war of independence. They say that they are not Albanians although they have some similarities with them and that Greece is their homeland. So Albanian and Arvanite is not the same.
JamesGREEK26 2 years ago
you started out good but then it became flawed.arvanites and albanians are the same blood and ancestry.what borders or what national(modern) identity they have is usseless now to argue this are arvanites albanians or albanians arbanites.
bylysi 2 years ago
As you know many Arvanites live in Greece. I know some Arvanites and they speak both Greek and Arvanitika but not Albanian. I know they are of Albanian origin, but they claim that Greece is their homeland and not Albania. Many famous Arvanites such as Kolokotroni, Botsari, Miaouli, fought for Greece in the Greek war of independence and self-identified as Greeks.The Albanians and the Arvanites are just like the Greeks and the Cypriots if compared together only the last ones have better relations
JamesGREEK26 2 years ago
since you seem to "know" the difference then surely you speak them both or have the knowledge.would you mind giving some facts or examples.and if you know an arvanite under about 40 who can really speak any dialect of arvanite in greece call ripleys.
bylysi 2 years ago
you moron, albanian language is the same as arvanitika, so whats the diference?
Trimi58 2 years ago
i dont know who claims that but regardless i dont disagree with it.the modern nation of greece is their home.all those old heroes spoke 0 greek by the way and absolutely they did not fight for a notion of greece they fought for the land they lived in.dont mislabel it.how do you know about their self-identification???? personal experience memuares or what??? gut feeling??? albanians and arvanites are two brothers that time and circumstances have split them in different ways but still one blood.
bylysi 2 years ago
I know that the Arvanites self-identified as Greeks because i've read in different encyclopedias about them and their life and i've also read documents that they had written (especially about Kolokotroni and Botsari). They were in Greek with some arvanite words. Furthermore they did fight for Greece that's why when Greece was liberated the nation was named Greece and not Arvania or something like that. Anyway no need to argue about this.
JamesGREEK26 2 years ago
its because of your stupid propoganda that's why
Trimi58 2 years ago
It's not a stupid conclusion if you have done research about the Arvanites, just like Greeks and Cypriots is not the same despite the fact that cypriots speak Greek and have many similarities with the Greeks. Albanian language and arvanitika is not the same asshole how can you say that, they have some similarities but are different languages. Finally not all Arvanites speak albanian. They speak Arvanitika and Greek cuz it happens to know many arvanites, do some research plz, go to wikipedia.
JamesGREEK26 2 years ago
you are definitly an idiot
Trimi58 2 years ago
No, i am someone who reads books and does some research before posting any stupid comments. Have a nice day!
JamesGREEK26 2 years ago
i am a Geg from north and i anderstant arvanites .i been in Folorina Greece and i spocke with arvanite from Folorina .We spocke albanian no proplem hi spoke pure albanian.i didn't find any diffculty.
LleshiDibra 2 years ago
In Folorina not a lot of Greek only ''Arvanite(Albanian)'' and ''Macedonian (Slav )''non of tham spoke greek .only there langue
LleshiDibra 2 years ago
According to wikipedia (an encyclopedia site in case you dont know) it says that Arvanitika (the language of the Arvanites is also described as Graeco-Albanian although today such designations are considered offensive by many Arvanites themselves who identify nationally and ethnically as Greeks and not Albanians. This is not for all Arvanites but for the majority of them.
JamesGREEK26 2 years ago
you are saying they are of albanian origin dhe albanians and arvanites are not the same. What a stupid conlusion?
Trimi58 2 years ago
Nuk ka lidhje me historinë ajo që thotë ai. Miqësia me Turqinë sot është e domosdoshme për ne. Edhe për faktin që turqit kanë influencuar shumë në kulturën tonë edhe të gjithë ballkanit.
ariesmp 2 years ago
Scanderbeg was in 1444, Albania is 2009. Things have changed a lot since then. Everything changes. Enemies yesterday, friends and brothers today. Greeks and Slavs were once enemies, today best friends (Serbs and Greeks). Albs and Turks were once enemies, but things have changed. And no I never went to any Turk college. I simply acknowledge reality, which you can see even on youtube. Albs and Turks will ALWAYS be brothers, enemies of Greco-Shkja!!
Ermal8711 2 years ago
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Im 100% Albanian. 90% of Albanian people in Kosova, Shqiperi, Ilirida and Montenegro are Muslims and ask them if they are or are not brothers with Turks.
Albanians and Turks have been and always will be brothers! Arvanites hate us, so fuck them! Are you brothers with radical Orthodox Christians, like the Serbs? Where were they to support us in Kosova? Turkey did. It was the first to support bombing Serbia. Shqiptaret dhe Turqet jan VLLEZER PERGJITHMONE!!!
Ermal8711 2 years ago
Ermal, injoranca juaj lë shumë për të dëshiruar!
Arvanitasit këndojnë në shqip! Janë shqiptarë! Nuk kanë se si t'Ju urrejnë!
Ngushëllime!
rsaliasi 2 years ago
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you are turkalbanianass und allways you show your asshole to the strongest
my grandgrandgrangpa whas from apollonia oder pogonia we are greeks from north epirus like georgios kastriotis
what means pelarg you goungoulobourdara
megasmagas 2 years ago
The greeks of today are form Anatolia who came as a population exchange. The only true population of of the old Greece were only Arvanites and Cams or Thesprotian.
Go read a decent book to open your horizon, if you have any.
topallia 2 years ago
you are turkalbanians
iam arvanitis from kriekuki attika
this songs are our songs
we are brave and real greek
no one have us slaving
we are free and anybody in greece know what arvanitis means and the turk allso
my grand grand father was hero weaponleader1821 and made attika turkfree with his hands
megasmagas 2 years ago
Dont worry, we, real Albs, want nothing to do with you. We were and all will be brothers with Turks, your all hellenofil trash.
You have no right to use our language, your all trash!!!!
Ermal8711 2 years ago
Modern Greeks really need to get over anti Turk hysteria as their liberation war was over one 100 years ago and Greece is not threatened by Turks, which they strangely they still identify with all Muslims!! That is just stupid! It's true that a large number of Albanians became muslims but they never became Turks, and always remained more silmilar to their Christian brothers that to Turks. Greeks who converted to Islam were never allowed to be Greek on the other hand.
bexlondon 2 years ago 3
Why do we put so much significance on these shitty Arvanites? They hate us!!! Fuck them, they were never nor are they now Albanians.
They are Greek-like trash.
Ermal8711 2 years ago
very gd :P coz this are sweet this songs!!
I can teach you :P then you will understand your language, the albanian
and explain things which are in the ARBERESH dialect of albanian
AndreaKola 3 years ago
ndoshta Tuap Itoi eshte emer i nje djali Tuap (itoi - do te thote skifter - shqiponje apo shpendi)
AndreaKola 3 years ago
tuapstavraitoi se kuptoj dot :S nga pjesa e dyte e kenges :( ka njeri qe e kupton te na i shpjegoje?
AndreaKola 3 years ago
Wow
Sing it my brother sing it!
Greeks can kill us, can close the schools to that learn our language, can do whatever they want but they cant kill our spirit because this language and those traditions will survive because they go from grandfather to grandkids. Arvanites will wake up someday and will say again that they need their language to be an offical language in Greece.
Long life to Illyrian Blood of Arvanites
NYPD44 3 years ago 3
moj trandafile
trandafileeeeeeeeee
moj ce do vajzene sihtire
sssssssssssssssssss ooo
aj kenge ajde ssss
sa na kenaqin keto eshte per tu habitur
Rofshin ARBERESHET :P
AndreaKola 3 years ago
korigjim:
AndreaKola 3 years ago
moj trandafile - trandafileeee
moj ce do vajzene ci thire
moj trandafile qe ro vole
moj ce do vajzene ci fole
moj trandafile - trandafileee
moj ce do vajzene ci thire
AndreaKola 3 years ago
moj shume lule shkuane
moj po si ti z'vazhduane
moj vajzene e jema e riti
moj tuap stavra itoi e priti
moj shume lule shkuane
moj po si ti z'vazhduane
AndreaKola 3 years ago
moj ore mire ora kali
moj ti dhromi qe zure ti
moj ore e mire te te gjete
moj ti dhromi qe zure vete
moj ore mire ora kali
moj ti dhromi qe zure ti
AndreaKola 3 years ago
:P this is sweet :P
I am happy to hear your generation talk like this
ARBERESHET blessed and countious of their famous inheritance
gold songs and traditions :P so gd
AndreaKola 3 years ago 5
ha mut ha sa te duash ti grek shkerdhate
AndreaKola 3 years ago
moj shume lule, shkuane, moj po si ti shpetuane, moj vajzene e gjeimariti, moj tuajat oh ssssssss moj ore e mire, ora kali, moj ti dhromi ti qe zure ti, moj ore e mira, te te gjete, moj ti dhromi qe zure vete :P :P ssssssssssssss ohhhh this is sweet, sweet, sweet :P :P :P
AndreaKola 3 years ago
ik ore greko fashist qiu ne byth.
bylysi 3 years ago
kujt i thua fashist bylysi :P ? byhegouraspiliot? bythe gur piles(karit)-lol kete kuptim i ka emri
AndreaKola 3 years ago
bythe ziut.lol
bylysi 3 years ago
hehehehehehehe :P he is a mef
AndreaKola 3 years ago
moj trendafile,trendafile ah sssss so sweet!opa
AndreaKola 3 years ago
delete the greek in here you unashamed pig
AndreaKola 3 years ago
sssss :P ah how beautiful is the ALBANIAN Arbereshe song and music :P we have to orgnise concerts of Arbereshi in London(britain),and ales in europe and the world!all the earth must learn and understand this is our albanian pride,and this jewls are prt of the treasures of the albanian folk tradition :P !opa
AndreaKola 3 years ago
me ke kenaqur mua shume gjithashtu!faleminderit..rofte ARBERIA
AndreaKola 3 years ago
me kenaqe vella
pucibumbum 3 years ago
Rrofsh dhe te paca.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
mallakastrioti vellai.. une i dua keto kenget qe ke vene ketu plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :P !CDne e Thanas Moraitit i kam degjuar te gjithe kenget.. por keto qe ke vene ti ne arvanitic songs 1&2 nuk i kam degjua asnjehere!sidomos kete kengen e pare ketu .. te trendafilit :P.. I need it man :)
AndreaKola 3 years ago 2
Te lumt per kenaqesine qe na jep o vellacko me keto kenge
kengelabe 3 years ago
kenaqesia eshte e imja kur gjithe vellezrit e mi te nje gjaku vuajne dhe gezojne per ate toke qe na lindi.Tung. vella!
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
O vella... po ku gjen keto kenge?? :D
MusicOfEpirus 3 years ago
hahahaaa...sepse jam i "sherbimeve sekrete shqiptare"(keshtu me tha CaptainSM2)-beje shaka...nejse.
Po t'u nevojit linku per t'i shkarkuar me thuaj.
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
po pse s'na i jep te gjitheve linkun ti? Apo vetem MusicOfEpirus e mban me hater?
vlorajoneheroike 3 years ago
ta tha mire vlora.haha
coje ketu linkun ta marrim e ne te tjeret ore.
bylysi 3 years ago
ore po nuk te lene keta te Y.T t'a vendosesh te plote...po t'a dergoj ne mesazh privat...
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
e mire po jo per mua per vloren me shume.lol
bej shaka vlla rrofsh
bylysi 3 years ago
mun te na i dergosh e neve te lutem? po a na ndihmon se ku mund te blihen keto cd,se i kam kerkuar ne gjithe boten ne internet e nuk gjenden! :(
AndreaKola 3 years ago
beautiful... shqipe shqeto. I thuhet ketyre, apo i thone dot keta vetes greker?! Sweet Albanian spoken by Albanians by blood, language and customs.
bijcame 3 years ago
ooo kte e dua me shume se e para kenge me e bukur.bravo vllau im.te paca
bylysi 3 years ago
bylysi a e do link-un apo jo?
mallakastrioti 3 years ago
mallakastrioti te lumte ,forca se do hapin kufirin Greket, dhe do te na dorezojne çelsat
NikVlora 3 years ago