Have you tried the ballistics of 125gr JSP .357 Magnum rounds yet? I know the expansion is a lot slower than stuff like Federal's HydraShok (my carry rounds) or others, but I have a truckload of JSPs for the range and am wondering whether or not they're adequate for self-defense.
@TheWitnesserer There is a lot of debate out there on this topic, but I think the experts would agree, it really comes down to number of hits and shot placement. A lot of people buy protection ammo but never fire it, without doing so how will you know if it is accurate with your gun, if you have something you shoot all the time and you know where the rounds will go, I think you are better off with that.
@Fire4EffectActual I practice regularly with the 125gr rounds, but the HydraShoks are 158gr. I've fired enough of them to know what my groupings are at various ranges and scenarios (that was an expensive day), but I'm more familiar with the "attitude" of the 125 gr rounds. Might switch over to carrying 125gr defense rounds. Maybe Hornady's FTX.
It's just that I'd heard of people using JSP ammunition for defense, so I was curious about it's effectiveness.
@TheWitnesserer I think you would be just fine, and it is all situational. In my state which is Georgia, if someone posses a threat to me I am allowed to defend myself. The point is to stop the threat, but generally you will not have a lot of time to think about what constitutes excessive force. Not all wounds are deadly but if you can hit center mass or the head it is more likely to be deadly, the thing is that sometime people survive that. So the more hits the better.
@TheWitnesserer Basically, I think the ammo industry is just trying to sell us on this specialty protection ammo. They want people to believe that one hit will kill, but this is not always true and you must be prepared for that. No one can say when it's time to pull the trigger that you will be able to do it. I'm not sure I can do it, I hopefully will never know, but I think you are fine using JSP if that is what you practice with, If you can place two or three shots where you need to.
@TheWitnesserer The only advantage protection ammo has is that they seal the round so moisture doesn't get to them when you need them. But some people never use it, and won't know until the go to pull the trigger that it doesn't work or maybe it jambs in their gun. And maybe some think they only need one hit to finish them off. If you have something you practice with you know how it shoot and you can get more easily, use it and keep fresh round in your gun. That's my advice.
@Fire4EffectActual So does muzzle energy dump have any bearing at all? Or does that not even matter? Because I've seen clinical examples of brain hemorrhaging resulting from center mass gunshot wounds from hollow point ammunition (if you need a reference, I can get you one). Such physical trauma also happens with any other type of ammunition, but not nearly as often nor as severely.
People who buy into the 1-hit-kill ammo are foolish. My main concern was hydrostatic shock, mentioned above.
@Fire4EffectActual I definitely agree that ammunition companies want us to believe that their bullets and loads will drop the bad guy 100% of the time, something only a naive person would buy into. Frankly, though, I think hollow points have improved over the years. No more of that clogging with clothing, especially with the new bonded bullets and those with polymer in the hollowed tip. The problem is that they're so high-priced that it costs an arm and a leg to do what you have to do: practice!
@Fire4EffectActual Fortunately, I can say that I'm confident of my ability to use my HydraShoks if I ever had to, God forbid. I practice with them regularly, so I never have the same batch every month.
Though many will say that it's not the weapon that makes the man, I'm a firm believer that technology can be the deciding factor if your skill is already formidable. If you could use hollow points as effectively as any other round, why not have the laws of physics on your side?
@Fire4EffectActual Thanks for replying. It's great to get constructive input from others. I'm getting tired of trolls and posers. It's too bad youtube doesn't have a troll filter.
@TheWitnesserer Well I guess I will give you an example. I have a friend who is a cop and was shot last year, with his partners gun. He was trying to assist his partner who was in a struggle with a woman. She was able to get her finger on the trigger and fired a round into his leg. It first went through the holster causing it to expand. It entered his leg just below the knee and when between the two bones in his lower leg and then exited. The round entered expanded over .5".
@TheWitnesserer The thing is it really depends on the round. If the bullet is slow, and small like a .380 auto, you would want something like a full metal jacket or solid lead bullet. Reason being, if you have to shoot through multiple layers of clothes a hollow point would expand before it got deep enough to do damage. Something like a 9mm, 38 special, 45 ACP you may opt for hollow points. Faster rounds the bullet is more likely to pass right through 40S&W, 10mm and 357 Magnum.
@TheWitnesserer The thing is you never know what kind off situation you might be in, but in the case of .357 you need it to hit bone, otherwise it is more likely to exit without inflicting damage. Plus you have the added advantage that if you needed to you could shoot through a car door or window, without losing effectiveness. That said if you shoot a lot you should get into reloading. 357 is easy to load.
@Fire4EffectActual yea right its going to exit without causing any damage thats one of the stupidest things i have ever heard you dont need to hit bone either 357 will knock you on your ass.
@chrisw40 This comment was linked to one below, I was talking about shooting FMJ in .357. You are right it will do damage, however a FMJ is not going to stop inside the body unless it hits something hard. Not in 357, it will go right through, so depending on what it hits you may not do major damage. FMJ isn't going to expand either. Hey, I'm sure you get that right. Youtube unfortunately limits how mush you can get into these comment boxes.
@Fire4EffectActual yea but to say its not going to cause any damage if it doesnt hit bone after passing through your body your not exactly going to feel like dancing.
@TheWitnesserer I forgot to mention my friend was fine, the bullet missed everything major it could have hit. He only has a damaged nerve ending. No bones, no major blood vessels.
@Fire4EffectActual Oh yeah, I already researched which calibers and loads would be best with hollow point and which would be best fully jacketed. My Jetfire is loaded with .25 auto FMJ rounds because I seriously doubt the effectiveness of any hollow point round in this caliber. I guess in the end it depends what gun and caliber you're using whether you'd use HP or FMJ.
Good to know your buddy was fine. How in the world did the lady get her finger on the trigger? Bad holster? Quick draw holster?
I have the 357 and use 38 +P rounds too and I have no problems. I am a small girl who CCs every day with this gun and the 357 rounds are a little too much for me. I have had no problem with 38 rounds though..
@Mandy7D7 .357 is not too bad if you look for some lighter weight bullets. Look for some 110 grain bullets they won't be too bad. I reload and shoot a lot of .38 specials not +P and they are no problem what so ever. I could shoot those all day.
@daywalker627 I really like it, but would I recommend it? That's a good question, for concealed carry and power it is hard to beat, it will get the job done, in the right hands. I personally think if you are making the choice to carry you have to practice. Some might say it's not enough capacity, but reality and statistics say most gun fights are decided with two rounds. This is a close quarters gun but I find it to be very accurate, and you can't be a revolver for reliability.
@Fire4EffectActual Thanks for the response. I do have to agree with you on the compacity. If your ever in a situation to where you have to use a boat load of rounds for personal protection example at walmart, then you have messed up before you got started lol. It's not like were in a war scenario where compacity would matter. Thanks for the review...
@daywalker627 In a scenario like that, since you're not equipped, you wanna save up what you've got and use it wisely. In that case, the best decision would be to RUN! Save up your rounds for when you really, REALLY need them. I severely doubt I'd try and take on robbers (rofl who robs Wal-Mart?) armed with automatic weaponry with an LCR. Maybe call for backup and put on some kevlar and grab an MP5 before going in again.
@th3boy75 The grips are a little small for something this powerful, my pinky is off the the grip. The balance is great, not heavy at all. Only 17 oz. The kick with .357 is pretty good, I don't think I will be taking it to the range and shooting 100 rounds at a time any time soon.
You no nothing clown, pulls the trigger too many times! All u heard was ........click lol
ktycoconut 1 week ago
Did you have to include the fuckin' irritating music?
TheOdelayhomes69 1 month ago
how brutal is that thing when shooting 357 through it?
mattinmo 2 months ago
@mattinmo pretty brutal, if I shoot it at the range in don't normally shoot more than 25 rounds of .357 your hands start to go numb.
Fire4EffectActual 1 month ago
That shit hurts
Five00700 10 months ago
Have you tried the ballistics of 125gr JSP .357 Magnum rounds yet? I know the expansion is a lot slower than stuff like Federal's HydraShok (my carry rounds) or others, but I have a truckload of JSPs for the range and am wondering whether or not they're adequate for self-defense.
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer There is a lot of debate out there on this topic, but I think the experts would agree, it really comes down to number of hits and shot placement. A lot of people buy protection ammo but never fire it, without doing so how will you know if it is accurate with your gun, if you have something you shoot all the time and you know where the rounds will go, I think you are better off with that.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual I practice regularly with the 125gr rounds, but the HydraShoks are 158gr. I've fired enough of them to know what my groupings are at various ranges and scenarios (that was an expensive day), but I'm more familiar with the "attitude" of the 125 gr rounds. Might switch over to carrying 125gr defense rounds. Maybe Hornady's FTX.
It's just that I'd heard of people using JSP ammunition for defense, so I was curious about it's effectiveness.
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer I think you would be just fine, and it is all situational. In my state which is Georgia, if someone posses a threat to me I am allowed to defend myself. The point is to stop the threat, but generally you will not have a lot of time to think about what constitutes excessive force. Not all wounds are deadly but if you can hit center mass or the head it is more likely to be deadly, the thing is that sometime people survive that. So the more hits the better.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer Basically, I think the ammo industry is just trying to sell us on this specialty protection ammo. They want people to believe that one hit will kill, but this is not always true and you must be prepared for that. No one can say when it's time to pull the trigger that you will be able to do it. I'm not sure I can do it, I hopefully will never know, but I think you are fine using JSP if that is what you practice with, If you can place two or three shots where you need to.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer The only advantage protection ammo has is that they seal the round so moisture doesn't get to them when you need them. But some people never use it, and won't know until the go to pull the trigger that it doesn't work or maybe it jambs in their gun. And maybe some think they only need one hit to finish them off. If you have something you practice with you know how it shoot and you can get more easily, use it and keep fresh round in your gun. That's my advice.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual So does muzzle energy dump have any bearing at all? Or does that not even matter? Because I've seen clinical examples of brain hemorrhaging resulting from center mass gunshot wounds from hollow point ammunition (if you need a reference, I can get you one). Such physical trauma also happens with any other type of ammunition, but not nearly as often nor as severely.
People who buy into the 1-hit-kill ammo are foolish. My main concern was hydrostatic shock, mentioned above.
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual I definitely agree that ammunition companies want us to believe that their bullets and loads will drop the bad guy 100% of the time, something only a naive person would buy into. Frankly, though, I think hollow points have improved over the years. No more of that clogging with clothing, especially with the new bonded bullets and those with polymer in the hollowed tip. The problem is that they're so high-priced that it costs an arm and a leg to do what you have to do: practice!
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual Fortunately, I can say that I'm confident of my ability to use my HydraShoks if I ever had to, God forbid. I practice with them regularly, so I never have the same batch every month.
Though many will say that it's not the weapon that makes the man, I'm a firm believer that technology can be the deciding factor if your skill is already formidable. If you could use hollow points as effectively as any other round, why not have the laws of physics on your side?
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual Thanks for replying. It's great to get constructive input from others. I'm getting tired of trolls and posers. It's too bad youtube doesn't have a troll filter.
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer Well I guess I will give you an example. I have a friend who is a cop and was shot last year, with his partners gun. He was trying to assist his partner who was in a struggle with a woman. She was able to get her finger on the trigger and fired a round into his leg. It first went through the holster causing it to expand. It entered his leg just below the knee and when between the two bones in his lower leg and then exited. The round entered expanded over .5".
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer The thing is it really depends on the round. If the bullet is slow, and small like a .380 auto, you would want something like a full metal jacket or solid lead bullet. Reason being, if you have to shoot through multiple layers of clothes a hollow point would expand before it got deep enough to do damage. Something like a 9mm, 38 special, 45 ACP you may opt for hollow points. Faster rounds the bullet is more likely to pass right through 40S&W, 10mm and 357 Magnum.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer The thing is you never know what kind off situation you might be in, but in the case of .357 you need it to hit bone, otherwise it is more likely to exit without inflicting damage. Plus you have the added advantage that if you needed to you could shoot through a car door or window, without losing effectiveness. That said if you shoot a lot you should get into reloading. 357 is easy to load.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual yea right its going to exit without causing any damage thats one of the stupidest things i have ever heard you dont need to hit bone either 357 will knock you on your ass.
chrisw40 1 year ago 5
@chrisw40 This comment was linked to one below, I was talking about shooting FMJ in .357. You are right it will do damage, however a FMJ is not going to stop inside the body unless it hits something hard. Not in 357, it will go right through, so depending on what it hits you may not do major damage. FMJ isn't going to expand either. Hey, I'm sure you get that right. Youtube unfortunately limits how mush you can get into these comment boxes.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual yea but to say its not going to cause any damage if it doesnt hit bone after passing through your body your not exactly going to feel like dancing.
chrisw40 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer go to check out ammosmith on youtube and go to his website.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer I forgot to mention my friend was fine, the bullet missed everything major it could have hit. He only has a damaged nerve ending. No bones, no major blood vessels.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual Oh yeah, I already researched which calibers and loads would be best with hollow point and which would be best fully jacketed. My Jetfire is loaded with .25 auto FMJ rounds because I seriously doubt the effectiveness of any hollow point round in this caliber. I guess in the end it depends what gun and caliber you're using whether you'd use HP or FMJ.
Good to know your buddy was fine. How in the world did the lady get her finger on the trigger? Bad holster? Quick draw holster?
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago
@TheWitnesserer Bad holster design. Good discussion.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual Likewise.
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago
I have the 357 and use 38 +P rounds too and I have no problems. I am a small girl who CCs every day with this gun and the 357 rounds are a little too much for me. I have had no problem with 38 rounds though..
Mandy7D7 1 year ago
@Mandy7D7 .357 is not too bad if you look for some lighter weight bullets. Look for some 110 grain bullets they won't be too bad. I reload and shoot a lot of .38 specials not +P and they are no problem what so ever. I could shoot those all day.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual
Thank you very much for the advice, I will give it a try :)
Mandy7D7 1 year ago
check out the flame on 1:13
edgarjesusrodriguez 1 year ago
Hehe, you have your own subtitles. Looks like it shoots like a kitten.
RyeOnHam 1 year ago
Very nice video. Thanks for sharing. You recommend this handgun??
daywalker627 1 year ago
@daywalker627 I really like it, but would I recommend it? That's a good question, for concealed carry and power it is hard to beat, it will get the job done, in the right hands. I personally think if you are making the choice to carry you have to practice. Some might say it's not enough capacity, but reality and statistics say most gun fights are decided with two rounds. This is a close quarters gun but I find it to be very accurate, and you can't be a revolver for reliability.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago
@Fire4EffectActual Thanks for the response. I do have to agree with you on the compacity. If your ever in a situation to where you have to use a boat load of rounds for personal protection example at walmart, then you have messed up before you got started lol. It's not like were in a war scenario where compacity would matter. Thanks for the review...
daywalker627 1 year ago
@daywalker627 In a scenario like that, since you're not equipped, you wanna save up what you've got and use it wisely. In that case, the best decision would be to RUN! Save up your rounds for when you really, REALLY need them. I severely doubt I'd try and take on robbers (rofl who robs Wal-Mart?) armed with automatic weaponry with an LCR. Maybe call for backup and put on some kevlar and grab an MP5 before going in again.
TheWitnesserer 1 year ago 3
Excellent shooting. How's it feel in the hand? Balanced? Heavy?
th3boy75 1 year ago
@th3boy75 The grips are a little small for something this powerful, my pinky is off the the grip. The balance is great, not heavy at all. Only 17 oz. The kick with .357 is pretty good, I don't think I will be taking it to the range and shooting 100 rounds at a time any time soon.
Fire4EffectActual 1 year ago