2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of {{--God--}} because --he-- laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of ---God-- which --he--- hath purchased with ----his own blood.
@238Truth Do you know that in the Original Hebrew Old Testament that whenever the term 'Son of God' is used it means an Angel? There are many 'Sons of God'.
Jewish Encyclopedia attributes to the first pre-Christian century:[5] in these Satan-Sataniel (sometimes identified with Samael) is described as having been one of the archangels. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high", Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his hosts of angels, and since then he has been flying in the air continually above the abyss
NOT THE SAME MEANING. post-New Testament times the Latin word Lucifer has often been used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction. A pagan myth of the fall of angels, associated with the Morning Star, was transferred to Satan, as seen in the Life of Adam and Eve and the Second Book of Enoch,[4]
Not the same meaning! WHERE DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL AT?
In English, "Lucifer" generally refers to Satan, although the name is not applied to him in the New Testament. The use of the name "Lucifer" in reference to a fallen angel stems from an interpretation of Isaiah 14:320 a passage that speaks of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives the title of "Day Star", Day Star", "Morning Star" (in Latin, lucifer)
Lucifer is a Latin word (from the words lucem ferre), literally meaning "light-bearer", which in that language is used as a name for the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, heralding daylight. Use of the word in this sense is uncommon in English, in which "Day Star" or "Morning Star" are more common expressions.
NOT REFERRING TO CHRIST AT ALL BUT TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS!
Your trying to turn Jesus into satan is a bucket of MASONIC TRASH! IT IS A SATANIC DECEPTION FOR SATAN KINGDOM OF TORMENT! JESUS IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS COL 1:16-17. INCLUDING ALL ANGELS!
Illuminati trash! Your buggy before the horse theory does not hold water!
JESUS IS THE GREAT I AM!
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Jesus is called the Son of -GOD-- Capital -G- which is in Greek Theon which is God not the same meaning that derives from angels or humanity!
Isa 7:14 So, The Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold! The virgin will conceive and will bring forth a --son; and she shall call His name --Immanuel.
Mat 1:23 "Behold! The virgin will conceive in her womb and will bear a son, and they will call His name Emmanuel" (which translated is, -God with us). Isa. 7:14
Isa 9:6 For a Child is born; to us a ---Son is given---and the government is on His shoulder; and His name is called Wonderful, Counselor, --The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the -----> Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
There is a lot of trash in the christian teachings that came in through the pagan Roman catholic church!
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself!
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Col 1:16 For by him JESUS were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
yes I have done so for quite some time now. and I must say I haven't seen anything that has hurt it.I have spoken to atheist, jw's, muslims and so on and I haven't changed a bit.you see one Major problem is that when people talk for ex. against trinity.they that some of it and say that can't be.even some are acually telling me what I belive, and they tell me things that I don't belive.and that makes it realy hard to talk to them. look at James White's videos.going to bed, nice talking to you.
I like it better when I have something as a whole:) even though I must ask (since I belive in God, and don't buy evolution) where is God in all of this? if there is thruth hidden in the other gospels why haven't God made more of it, meaning why is it that he have made it so hard to get to the real thing.
I see your point. fist time someone has stated it to me like that. I will try to give you an answer: the ones that write the history is mostly from the ones beliving Paul to be a true apostle, there where also others that wrote history and most of it fits whit the "winners" view of history. One fact all agree upon is that Jesus was crusified. there wasn't all that where killed for their belives. many of the others did't. they didn't cause any problems for the romans.
All I am asking is that you actually think about your faith and question your beliefs. If they are true for you they will only get stronger. And of course actually listen to what others are saying before condemning them or their beliefs.
you are jumping away from what I said. I said that the others are totaly against what the jews believed, where as the christian faith is not. many of the
"disiples" show they belived in more than one God. and other things that came in from the eastern religions. I do not have PBS, so I ask you for a link to something of what you and others are saying. I would be very happy if you would give me one or two.
I made the comment about PBS before I looked at your channel. It is only in the US. Look at the Catholic Apocrypha, The Nag Hammadi Library and other historical writings. There is another book by the title 'The Other Bible' that I have not had a chance to read. It is made up of texts that have survived the heretic hunts that are from the early days of Christianity.
ok I understand. but yes I look into a lot of things that goes against my own beliefs (as a christian) and what the historians you talk about. when it comes to Paul; how can it be that the other apostles in the NT accepted Paul. and why does he refer to them if everybody is against him. the NT was written by men that felt differnt about some things, but they all agreed on the gospel, who Jesus was and so on.
After 400 or so years of mostly oral tradition, especially when possessing a Christian text would get you thrown to the lions, some beliefs they would have in common and others would be different. And if the followers of Paul were the dominant faction, history is written by the victor.
how can you be a seaker of thruth when all you do is trying to disprove things, aren't you then just trying to state your own thoughts as throuth. from what I can understand you are an atheist - or close to be one. regarding disagrement; you must read everything in context - not just take one statement (verse) and say it doestn't agree with another. look into what all what the other "disiples" as you say belived. you will find people like agnostics that acording to the OT is very very wrong.
øoø. read the history again you are misstaking. and pne comment: God creeated the sun. the scriptures they selected was the same as the ones which was according to the belief of the very first christians. and not all athoer people that came later such as "thomas cristians" and others. how can you base your statements on ripping the history so much appart from the reality?
Most of the texts chosen were from the Pauline sect, and there is evidence that the 12 Apostles and other disciples that actually knew Jesus disagreed with Paul.
pauline sect? strangely I haven't heard about it from any other than some muslims. when you say that there is evidence about dissagrement then show it to me. can you pleace do that?
The followers of the 'Apostle Paul' are the Pauline sect. You know, the one who persecuted the followers of Jesus until he had a 'vision' and changed his name from Saul to Paul. You evidently never watch PBS or read anything about religion that is written by non-biased historians.
Goofy masonic trash!
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2Co 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
238Truth 1 year ago
@238Truth Some advice.
Using Bible quotes to support your argument when dealing with someone who does not believe it is the Word of God is useless.
And spamming someones channel with Bible quotes will usually get you blocked and the comments deleted.
I am more tolerant than many. Most Athiests and Pagans would have blocked you after the first few.
PeterThenn 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
Your correct that is why I don't think you should talk about something you are not educated on! That is what you call a OXYMORON!
YOUR A JOKE!
238Truth 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
Try sticking to what you know and that is flat nothing!
238Truth 1 year ago
1Jn 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of {{--God--}} because --he-- laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of ---God-- which --he--- hath purchased with ----his own blood.
JESUS = GOD-MAN! NOT ANOTHER GOD!
238Truth 1 year ago
@238Truth Do you know that in the Original Hebrew Old Testament that whenever the term 'Son of God' is used it means an Angel? There are many 'Sons of God'.
PeterThenn 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
Yes I do and if you go back and read my comments I have already stated that!
1- It refers to the seed of Seth and all offspring of his godly seed!
2-It refers to the ANGELS! Hebrew word Bene-elohim = son of God. Gen 6th, Job 1:1-7. 2:1-4.
3 New Testament reefers to any one that is BORN AGAIN Jh 1:12-14.
LOOK IT UP!
238Truth 1 year ago
@238Truth 'I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the Bright Morning Star'
I thought Lucifer was the Morning Star.
Hmmm, maybe Jesus is Lucifer.
PeterThenn 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
NOT THE SAME MEANING!
Jewish Encyclopedia attributes to the first pre-Christian century:[5] in these Satan-Sataniel (sometimes identified with Samael) is described as having been one of the archangels. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high", Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his hosts of angels, and since then he has been flying in the air continually above the abyss
238Truth 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
NOT THE SAME MEANING. post-New Testament times the Latin word Lucifer has often been used as a name for the devil, both in religious writing and in fiction. A pagan myth of the fall of angels, associated with the Morning Star, was transferred to Satan, as seen in the Life of Adam and Eve and the Second Book of Enoch,[4]
238Truth 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
Not the same meaning! WHERE DID YOU GO TO SCHOOL AT?
In English, "Lucifer" generally refers to Satan, although the name is not applied to him in the New Testament. The use of the name "Lucifer" in reference to a fallen angel stems from an interpretation of Isaiah 14:320 a passage that speaks of a particular Babylonian King, to whom it gives the title of "Day Star", Day Star", "Morning Star" (in Latin, lucifer)
238Truth 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
WOW ARE YOU CONFUSED!
Lucifer is a Latin word (from the words lucem ferre), literally meaning "light-bearer", which in that language is used as a name for the dawn appearance of the planet Venus, heralding daylight. Use of the word in this sense is uncommon in English, in which "Day Star" or "Morning Star" are more common expressions.
NOT REFERRING TO CHRIST AT ALL BUT TWO DIFFERENT MEANINGS!
238Truth 1 year ago
@238Truth Actually Lucifer is the Latin form of the Greek Phosphorus,
The God who was identified with the Planet Venus.
He fell out of popularity and they started calling Venus the Morningstar.
PeterThenn 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
Your trying to turn Jesus into satan is a bucket of MASONIC TRASH! IT IS A SATANIC DECEPTION FOR SATAN KINGDOM OF TORMENT! JESUS IS THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS COL 1:16-17. INCLUDING ALL ANGELS!
Illuminati trash! Your buggy before the horse theory does not hold water!
JESUS IS THE GREAT I AM!
Joh 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
238Truth 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
Jesus is called the Son of -GOD-- Capital -G- which is in Greek Theon which is God not the same meaning that derives from angels or humanity!
Isa 7:14 So, The Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold! The virgin will conceive and will bring forth a --son; and she shall call His name --Immanuel.
Mat 1:23 "Behold! The virgin will conceive in her womb and will bear a son, and they will call His name Emmanuel" (which translated is, -God with us). Isa. 7:14
238Truth 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
Isa 9:6 For a Child is born; to us a ---Son is given---and the government is on His shoulder; and His name is called Wonderful, Counselor, --The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the -----> Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh and tabernacled among us.
JESUS IS THE FLESH OF THE UNSEEN GOD!
238Truth 1 year ago
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
238Truth 1 year ago
@238Truth I like that Isaiah quote, it actually destroys most Christian Theologies.
PeterThenn 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
There is a lot of trash in the christian teachings that came in through the pagan Roman catholic church!
Isa 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
238Truth 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
More truth!
Isa 44:24 Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself!
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
GOD-MAN CHRIST! NOT ANOTHER GOD! BUT THE GOD!
238Truth 1 year ago
@PeterThenn
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Col 1:16 For by him JESUS were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
JESUS = GOD-MAN
238Truth 1 year ago
by the way - I do not condemn anyone for their belives at all. hope you haven't gotten that understanding.
trikker01 3 years ago
yes I have done so for quite some time now. and I must say I haven't seen anything that has hurt it.I have spoken to atheist, jw's, muslims and so on and I haven't changed a bit.you see one Major problem is that when people talk for ex. against trinity.they that some of it and say that can't be.even some are acually telling me what I belive, and they tell me things that I don't belive.and that makes it realy hard to talk to them. look at James White's videos.going to bed, nice talking to you.
trikker01 3 years ago
I like it better when I have something as a whole:) even though I must ask (since I belive in God, and don't buy evolution) where is God in all of this? if there is thruth hidden in the other gospels why haven't God made more of it, meaning why is it that he have made it so hard to get to the real thing.
trikker01 3 years ago
thank you:)
trikker01 3 years ago
I see your point. fist time someone has stated it to me like that. I will try to give you an answer: the ones that write the history is mostly from the ones beliving Paul to be a true apostle, there where also others that wrote history and most of it fits whit the "winners" view of history. One fact all agree upon is that Jesus was crusified. there wasn't all that where killed for their belives. many of the others did't. they didn't cause any problems for the romans.
trikker01 3 years ago
All I am asking is that you actually think about your faith and question your beliefs. If they are true for you they will only get stronger. And of course actually listen to what others are saying before condemning them or their beliefs.
PeterThenn 3 years ago
you are jumping away from what I said. I said that the others are totaly against what the jews believed, where as the christian faith is not. many of the
"disiples" show they belived in more than one God. and other things that came in from the eastern religions. I do not have PBS, so I ask you for a link to something of what you and others are saying. I would be very happy if you would give me one or two.
trikker01 3 years ago
I made the comment about PBS before I looked at your channel. It is only in the US. Look at the Catholic Apocrypha, The Nag Hammadi Library and other historical writings. There is another book by the title 'The Other Bible' that I have not had a chance to read. It is made up of texts that have survived the heretic hunts that are from the early days of Christianity.
PeterThenn 3 years ago
By the way, Hinduism does not believe in many gods. It believes in one God with many forms.
PeterThenn 3 years ago
ok I understand. but yes I look into a lot of things that goes against my own beliefs (as a christian) and what the historians you talk about. when it comes to Paul; how can it be that the other apostles in the NT accepted Paul. and why does he refer to them if everybody is against him. the NT was written by men that felt differnt about some things, but they all agreed on the gospel, who Jesus was and so on.
trikker01 3 years ago
After 400 or so years of mostly oral tradition, especially when possessing a Christian text would get you thrown to the lions, some beliefs they would have in common and others would be different. And if the followers of Paul were the dominant faction, history is written by the victor.
PeterThenn 3 years ago
how can you be a seaker of thruth when all you do is trying to disprove things, aren't you then just trying to state your own thoughts as throuth. from what I can understand you are an atheist - or close to be one. regarding disagrement; you must read everything in context - not just take one statement (verse) and say it doestn't agree with another. look into what all what the other "disiples" as you say belived. you will find people like agnostics that acording to the OT is very very wrong.
trikker01 3 years ago
By the New Covenant, the OT is irrelevant except as history. There is only one commandment now. Love God and all of his Creation.
PeterThenn 3 years ago
øoø. read the history again you are misstaking. and pne comment: God creeated the sun. the scriptures they selected was the same as the ones which was according to the belief of the very first christians. and not all athoer people that came later such as "thomas cristians" and others. how can you base your statements on ripping the history so much appart from the reality?
trikker01 3 years ago
Most of the texts chosen were from the Pauline sect, and there is evidence that the 12 Apostles and other disciples that actually knew Jesus disagreed with Paul.
PeterThenn 3 years ago
pauline sect? strangely I haven't heard about it from any other than some muslims. when you say that there is evidence about dissagrement then show it to me. can you pleace do that?
trikker01 3 years ago
The followers of the 'Apostle Paul' are the Pauline sect. You know, the one who persecuted the followers of Jesus until he had a 'vision' and changed his name from Saul to Paul. You evidently never watch PBS or read anything about religion that is written by non-biased historians.
PeterThenn 3 years ago