Recently a clip was posted with a brief blip of Rolland Smith after a CBS ID — right before a WNAC Boston (!) newsbreak open — NewsActive3 says he's seen it rarely in Indiana or elsewhere.
It was highly likely that this was seen across the country, or at least in the Central and Eastern time zones.
KZTV never used their own ident for this slide. I would remember if Walter Furley said, "This Is CBS". :)
In any case, I think it was just dubbed over for WCBS. To my understanding, WCBS is considered an O&O affiliate. So after the national broadcast, it goes on to local programming and advertising just like any other affiliate. I noticed on DirecTV a few years back during CBS Evening News (or maybe it was morning news), WCBS had a news ticker on the bottom. (cont)
Unless the person who posted it heard it somewhere else, that was a New York ident for New York. There's no such thing as a "national announcer" who broadcasts live for network IDs. There are separate local and national feeds for programming and station identification.
It sounds to me like "Channer 2 New York" was dubbed over "This is CBS", because of the way "Advised" is partially cut off. In any case, a great bumper from the waning days of civility on television. Thanks for posting! :-)
that is cbs. when it cuts to the eye and the announcer says "channel 2 new york" it's a cut to the local station. a different form of station identification. at that moment they cut to every local station, so everyone hears "channel x" and their own locality.
@diapertom2001 Just the bumpers alone.. it's amazing.. i'm just checking these all out.. can't wait to come across the 430 movie ABC intro .. million dollar movie on WOR.. too many memories... Santa in the remington razor..
Sounds like someone in CBS/WCBS master control had the wrong audio cart (as in tape cartridge, used quite frequently in radio/TV in the 60-80s) loaded for the CBS slide... :)
Back in the day, after the CBS Newsbreak at the 9 o'clock hour, WBTV's weatherman, Mike McKay, would say over top of the CBS logo slide, "This is Channel Three Television...and CBS."
All my life that I can remember, where I lived we saw our CBS programming on WJHL in Johnson City, Tennessee. I remember a couple of times during my childhood when instead of the CBS eye, they put on a WCBS ID slide with that funky-looking 2, and the guy saying "This is CBS"!
Yeah... but the CBS eye is intended to air nationally. WCBS-TV had its own ident slides, over which the announcer would say "Channel 2 New York". Presumably and evidently, the entire nation was told they were watching Channel 2 New York.
The same announcers worked for both the network and the local station, and WCBS was run off the same master control as the network, so the screwup is quite feasible.
Would I be correct in assuming that the setups at ABC and WABC involved General Electric PE-24 / PE-240 (4-V) film chains? I've been apprised that these chains were also used by CBS and WCBS, while NBC and WNBC had RCA TK-27's.
Up to the late 1960's, the legal I.D. for the station as read by the announcers was "WCBS-TV, Channel 2"; I'm not sure when it changed into "Channel 2, New York."
@HulkieD the entire nation did NOT say,"Channel 2 New York". I lived in Memphis and our local CBS affiliate was WREG-TV Channel 3. The announcer would be the CBS announcer and on a rare occasion our local announcer would say, this is CBS. At that time, when the locals would say it, it segued into our local 10 o' clock news.
That one made me laugh because I thought Pat Connell, the announcer, was actually going to say the "This is CBS" spiel. It also caught me by surprise.
Correct, this went out on the national CBS East network. The east coast announcers, like the other broadcast networks at the time, shared both local and network duties.
Yes, but the same content was fed out.
Recently a clip was posted with a brief blip of Rolland Smith after a CBS ID — right before a WNAC Boston (!) newsbreak open — NewsActive3 says he's seen it rarely in Indiana or elsewhere.
It was highly likely that this was seen across the country, or at least in the Central and Eastern time zones.
raymieX 2 months ago
KZTV never used their own ident for this slide. I would remember if Walter Furley said, "This Is CBS". :)
In any case, I think it was just dubbed over for WCBS. To my understanding, WCBS is considered an O&O affiliate. So after the national broadcast, it goes on to local programming and advertising just like any other affiliate. I noticed on DirecTV a few years back during CBS Evening News (or maybe it was morning news), WCBS had a news ticker on the bottom. (cont)
tsntana 3 months ago
@tsntana (cont) On our affiliate, there was no such ticker. So the national CBS feed is seperate from WCBS.
tsntana 3 months ago
I wonder if that person who posted those WCCO airchecks might have this clip off WCCO. That would answer the question.
micmac99 4 months ago
Unless the person who posted it heard it somewhere else, that was a New York ident for New York. There's no such thing as a "national announcer" who broadcasts live for network IDs. There are separate local and national feeds for programming and station identification.
sd02231 4 months ago
I doubt many people cared...I mean how many people were up by that time?
bakerandbaker1 5 months ago
This is when Television was GOOD....Today it's all a bunch of HORSESHIT!!!
bjroberts65 6 months ago
It sounds to me like "Channer 2 New York" was dubbed over "This is CBS", because of the way "Advised" is partially cut off. In any case, a great bumper from the waning days of civility on television. Thanks for posting! :-)
Banner4real035 6 months ago
The national sound may have been turned down for the moment in favor of the WCBS ID, which was synonymous with station sign-off time.
JohnK086 9 months ago
that is cbs. when it cuts to the eye and the announcer says "channel 2 new york" it's a cut to the local station. a different form of station identification. at that moment they cut to every local station, so everyone hears "channel x" and their own locality.
MisterBouncyBounce 1 year ago 2
Channel 2 New York
PenafilmStudios 1 year ago 3
Looks like fun!
MattTheSaiyan 1 year ago
I always loved these bumpers, Takes me back to the best time in my life!!
diapertom2001 2 years ago 10
@diapertom2001 Just the bumpers alone.. it's amazing.. i'm just checking these all out.. can't wait to come across the 430 movie ABC intro .. million dollar movie on WOR.. too many memories... Santa in the remington razor..
LBrilliante 1 month ago
Sounds like someone in CBS/WCBS master control had the wrong audio cart (as in tape cartridge, used quite frequently in radio/TV in the 60-80s) loaded for the CBS slide... :)
pvx 2 years ago
Apparently a control room misfire, possibly due to a timing miscalculation.
noahf67 2 years ago
Hey HulkieD, It was a voice over by that local affiliate for that local feed.
BaileySEA 2 years ago
Back in the day, after the CBS Newsbreak at the 9 o'clock hour, WBTV's weatherman, Mike McKay, would say over top of the CBS logo slide, "This is Channel Three Television...and CBS."
cag1970 2 years ago
Hmm-I believe the announcer would have said "Tomorrow on CBS!"
lno2k6 2 years ago
Regarding "tomorrow...", earlier in the day, he would have. But at that late hour, it would have just been "This is CBS".
case139 2 years ago
Wow, Death Wish on regular TV? Brutal!
plasmadis 2 years ago
Back in the day, they used to show all kinds of good movies, but most of them were heavily censored.
redpaladin64 2 years ago
...and the movie that made Charles Bronson a star!
vividwatch47 2 years ago 2
Due to immature themes, viewer recklessness is advised.
goback3spaces 2 years ago 3
All my life that I can remember, where I lived we saw our CBS programming on WJHL in Johnson City, Tennessee. I remember a couple of times during my childhood when instead of the CBS eye, they put on a WCBS ID slide with that funky-looking 2, and the guy saying "This is CBS"!
sammyreed 2 years ago
How come the announcer isn't supposed to say "Channel 2 New York"? CBS is channel 2 New York
Wildcock23 2 years ago 6
Yeah... but the CBS eye is intended to air nationally. WCBS-TV had its own ident slides, over which the announcer would say "Channel 2 New York". Presumably and evidently, the entire nation was told they were watching Channel 2 New York.
The same announcers worked for both the network and the local station, and WCBS was run off the same master control as the network, so the screwup is quite feasible.
HulkieD 2 years ago
NBC and WNBC also shared the same master control for many decades till WNBC got their own master control in 1992.
ABC and WABC had a very different set up at 7 West 66th Street. WABC got theirs in 1979.
nynewsguy7 2 years ago
Would I be correct in assuming that the setups at ABC and WABC involved General Electric PE-24 / PE-240 (4-V) film chains? I've been apprised that these chains were also used by CBS and WCBS, while NBC and WNBC had RCA TK-27's.
wmbrown6 2 years ago
Up to the late 1960's, the legal I.D. for the station as read by the announcers was "WCBS-TV, Channel 2"; I'm not sure when it changed into "Channel 2, New York."
wmbrown6 2 years ago
@HulkieD the entire nation did NOT say,"Channel 2 New York". I lived in Memphis and our local CBS affiliate was WREG-TV Channel 3. The announcer would be the CBS announcer and on a rare occasion our local announcer would say, this is CBS. At that time, when the locals would say it, it segued into our local 10 o' clock news.
elwin38 1 year ago
@HulkieD every station does stuff like that for its' local audience.
tulllguy 10 months ago
@HulkieD That sounded like Jim Jenson.
ArtificialBanana 9 months ago
That one made me laugh because I thought Pat Connell, the announcer, was actually going to say the "This is CBS" spiel. It also caught me by surprise.
DerrickLee2006 2 years ago
The announcer who made that errant tag was Pat Connell.
wmbrown6 2 years ago
Correct, this went out on the national CBS East network. The east coast announcers, like the other broadcast networks at the time, shared both local and network duties.
nynewsguy7 2 years ago
Is this CBS?
hkfreak 2 years ago 8