If you're going to talk about Virtual Reality films, you should also know about "Brainstorm." Directed by Douglas Trumbull in 1883. "The 13th Floor" didn't show up until 1999. Both great films; both SERIOUSLY overlooked.
It seems highly probable that we will have and be using a quantum computer that will be able to simulate consciousness with. It will evolve within the machine. All of this(the "objective" universe") evolved from a very large and yet infinitesimally small explosion 16 billion years ago. When we simulate it, it won't know we're here. Why is the speed of light a constant again?
@probablechoices So, if we develop a quantum computer with which we will be able to simulate consciousness (create a.i.). If we simulate the "big bang", the consciousness won`t know we`re here. Wait, what? If we can create a simulated consciousness, we surely don`t need to simulate the "big bang", we can just limit certain parts of the consciousness`s mind so that it won`t know it`s world is not real.
Ya sort of.. reality is subjective, so it's up to you just how it might happen.. but it can't be "created", it will evolve, like all of this did. Like we did. I meant that we can create a set of conditions within a device or whatever you'd like that will allow for consciousness to develop and evolve, but no no we can't create it. Check out tom campbell, he has a theory of everything that is highly interesting
@probablechoices It will be like the disease blind people can get - they think they can see and come up with explanations for why they run into things.
Didn`t quite catch the "Why is the speed of light a constant again?" tho.
We just broke speed of light Faster you go slower the time goes and at the speed of light, time stand stil for you.....if we would go faster then time we would actually move back to the past amazing Listen up asshole. Anything is possible, just because a couple smart fucks write a book doesn't mean everything they're saying is true. Anything can change as shown by this experiment, we don't understand the universe at all. You can take a fucking lap faggot.
Why do I have the feeling this was completely overshadowed by The Matrix? I found out just now they both came out the same year, but the Matrix a month or two earlier.
Nice, interesting, original movie. Craig Bierko was wonderful. The 90's had so many overlooked & underrated SCI-FI films - this one, FutureSport, The Time Shifters, Virtuosity, Tha Lawnmower Man, Alien 3, Space Truckers, Strange Days, The Arrival, Mimic, The Apocalypse (1997), Virus, RoboCop 2, Them, Body Snatchers, eXistenZ, Sphere, Judge Dredd, Demolition Man, Anaconda, The Shadow Men, Dark City etc
This trailer does a bad job of selling a film that doesn't actually exist. It's like one of those funny "recut" trailers that change the genre of the film. Whoever made this trailer really tried to deep six the film.
@Tonystarkes888 if you like that kind of film i reccomend Dark City it came out around same time as matrix and quite similar but quirky. Obv much less successful lol
There's an old experimental band too...calling "13th floor elevator"(it's a slang code name for drug too if i'm not mistaken) Gavin Baddeley write about it in in book on goth culture. It's about alterate perception of life...seeking other point of view, believing that something else is possible and ultimately escape from reality (isn't what a movie is for after all ??) .
The point is : "what will be your reaction if you discover that nothing is real ? How much will shit your pants ???"
@gr8fread That's not the first time it happens, they do this kinda thing in some countries. I heard one day that they do that in Japan too. The 13th floor is a tabou, and in the movie it's a metaphor for a place where all things and truth we just don't want to deal with because it scares the poo out of us.
as much as you'd hate to realize it if you believe in an "all-knowing" higher power, ex. God. The universe is a simulation. if god knows everything and knows the future, your life is predetermined no matter how you look at it. god knows if you will think about your next "probable" move in life and what exactly you will do instead. Which leads to my theory that if he knows what everyone shall do then God doesn't care what we do. We were simply a toy if you will. entertainment
this was good, but i will say it moved too quickly before i really had time to engage with it. i felt there should be an hour's worth of cut scenes added to this movie. just not enough time before we are moved on to the next event- is this because its based on a bookperhaps? often a problem when books are long and squeezed down... but otherwise excellent film i like vincent donofrio.
I'm also really disappointed for seeing the trailer before the movie. I would have enjoyed it much more, like I did the matrix. First time I saw that movie I had all these questions b.c I had no clue what was going on.
but i tell you : you know there is god (allah) and how matter you did to deceive us you will fail because we have faith but you give us nothing but lies
this film is amazing when you see it now and how much closer we are to that. just look how real virtual reality looks now. Similarities are crazy close.
How come that a computer can be connected to our brain ? ... BrainGate ...
You can only connect computer to another computer.
& only compatible software together,... if its not, it just won't work.
from how i can see it:
If we would not be in someway like hardware/software or just software, there would be no way that this could be possible.
@behumble4God in some way our brains are computers too (every braincell has the same functions as a processor). Connecting computer and brain is only matter of making software and hardware that is compatible with your brain (cause we can create computers and software the way we want it, but it's difficult to change the brains). It's only a matter of time before scientists will succeed in broadband brain computer connection. It already exist for small applications like for people with mutism
@banaaninjeoor broadband brain... would not surprise me =) when you think about how quickly we got from invention of digital machine, computer, to all that we have now & then what... "they":) already have, but its hidden from general public, ... mind blowing :D
So according to your theory, we are unintelligent, able to create the impossible and are currently living in a simulated Universe. Do you suggest it is simulated in some kind of program? I agree with your principal theory by the way.
@ShahidMiller it cant be mpossible to create simulated Universes, because in our heads we have the idea so that means it is possible, "with an idea becomes possiblity" "Tonystarkes888"
This film is based on the novel Simularon-3, which was written by Daniel F. Galouye and published in1964, nearly a decade before Bostrom was even born and four years prior to PKD's *Do Androids ...* It was first made into the tv film WORLD ON A WIRE by Fassbinder and released in 1973. Essentially, it is the first film about virtual reality, prefiguring TRON, Blade Runner, The Matrix, etc. Although the term "replicant" is not used, conceptually, the simulated figures in the film are just that.
@PathosDistanz Great info! I wasn't implying that Bostrom was first with the simulation idea, but to the specific enumerated speculations put forth above by ShahidMiller, who did not seem to know whose ideas they were.
Philip K. Dick's "Time Out of Joint" also portrayed a kind of VR, as did his "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch." Both of these would make excellent films.
@ShahidMiller Although I wouldn't agree with the statement. I had a similar thought about time travel which goes as follow: if time travel is possible, then it's already a reality.
@ShahidMiller the actual one is where your conciousness goes to after you die (a.k.a. leave the artificial body computer and mind) where love is the only reality.
The Thirteenth floor is the edge of the world as you know it, can't go any further cause it could only go so far. kind of like the bounderies of a video game, you can only make so much content before you run out of space.
its fairly obvious our world is not real or at least every one else but me isnt every one behaves too similar like there only 1 or 2 basic behavior models everyone follows everyone is too predictable
@hod05 yes I agree, the more i study the mechanics of the quantum world, the more evidence I see we are living in a controlled reality, a built in program if you will, not to say this is 100 per cent true, it lends credence to the idea, so at least i applaud the effort of the film here.
@CoolDojo9000 Thank you. I will watch all of them! Do check out the new movie Inception on July 16th when it comes out. I think that this one will be amazing. It also deals with levels of reality, dreams and mind.
@euklid216 yes the idea behind the movie is fantastic, but the execution is horrible.
If you tell the story of the movie to a friend that has never seen it, it sounds like a masterpice, but when you actually see it, the movie is just mediocre.
there is a reason matrix has better rating (way better acting, better script, etc...).
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What is wrong with you people? This movie was complete shit! Terrible dialogue and overcomplicated story. Check the rating or rotten and you'll see that this only appeals to base-level intellects.
Yes, overcomplicated. As in: overt complexity that is not necessary to convey the ideas of the narrative.
I suppose you have something to say on the matter. The fact is that the only reason this movie has fanboys in because "it came first before the matrix." Well who cares; it stinks.
If you're throwing plot twists and technobable on the screen just to look erudite. When a movie tries to say that it's too good for it's audience, the only ones who enjoy it are those dumb enough to believe the claim.
Why the fuck said anything about dark city? Second, several of the comments did claim that this film came before the Matrix. Talk about taking your own advice, you don't even know the context of this discussion.
Featheon, You are right, The 13th Floor does have some terrible dialogue. The movie premise and story is quite interesting though so saying it only appeals to base-level intellects is kind of unfair.
You're right, one shouldn't critique art unless that person is part of a small elite group, right? How foolish of me to attempt criticism. Geez, some real base level intellects are all I've seen so far. Or you are all way better at interpreting this art than all those critics at rottentomatoes that gave it a combined 29%.
If Matrix wouldn´t been released in 99 too this would´ve been a hit... This movie is even smarter and more elegantly made. But the audience voted for special effects... Matrix once blew me away, but this one, well, was insaley genius!!
dark city, the island, vanilla sky, aeon flux, ultra violet and of course the matrix....but there are other movies that have gnostic messages that deal with other stuff, movies like pleasantville, the fountain, the game, eXistenZ(and isten is a hungarian word for god) the truman show, twelve monkeys, and groundhog day
I saw this movie eight years ago. I loved the near end of this movie, when he drives to the end of this so called..........(not telling) It's creepy, blows your mind......could it be?!! Whoever came up with this movie had a great insight of the many who say this life is really but a dream or a hologram. Who really knows. You won't know until you die, and then it would be too late. The bottom line is create a life your happy with, enjoy it til the end.
For me it is better than The Matrix because it looks more realistic and more "believable". There is also another movie that is completely related to this one: eXistenZ.
That 'bad' acting is part of the movie, if you watch the rest of the movie you will understand why the acting is as such. You missed the whole point! Go back and watch the whole thing.
Where the Matrix, etc. wear thin fast, this flick gets better with each viewing, as the richness of the subtle backround detailing and wry set decorations complex parallel roles seep into the consciousness.
Couple of months earlier I think. It's funny it just seemed that computer simulated existentialism just seemed to be all the rage then. The movie XistenZ was in production at the same time and came out a month after the Matrix. And Equilibrium. None of them were a rip off since they were all made at roughly the same time, it was just a weird coincedence. Of course the other movies all got crushed under the Matrix Juggernaut, but none of them are that bad.
@Jozsef86330 Well with Equilibrium I was comparing it to the Matrix more for it's cinematography and gun-fu then it's plot, and the fact that it got lumped in with other movies such as The Thirteenth Floor and XistenZ as "Matrix rip-offs" which were released at around the same time. Dark City got lumped in with them too despite only vaguely resembling them.
@Beelzeboogie Matrix did rip-off movies also. As style it borrowed elements from Ghost in the shell and Akira etc. Maybe there are some similarities betwen Matrix gun fight and gun kata from equilibrium, but not enough to call it a rip-off , anyway those elements could have been elements Matrix borrowed from other movies, .. lol. Gun kata anyway was inveted for the movie equilibrium, and inspired from martial arts.
@Beelzeboogie And thirteen floor is not a rip-off after matrix it moslty a rip-off after Wolrds on wire from 1970, even matrix can be considered rip-off after that, becauze it has similar plot, and the esence is exaclty the same simulated reality.
@Beelzeboogie I saw this movie the other day the 1st time, damn this movie is pure masterpiece! Matrix got all the awards but it's shit compared to this... All the details and the story of this movie, pure win!
@Beelzeboogie actually "The Thirteenth floor" only has the story going for it, the acting and dialogue is horrible. and the movie is very predictable, does not even have good FX. The movie had potential for it being so GOOD, but it fails miserable because of bad direction, soap opera dialogue, and acting at the level of chris klein in the legend of chun-li. Now equilibrium is actually a great movie
@Beelzeboogie what is this "xistenz" movie you're talking about? Ive searched for it and cant find it. I would like to watch it :).. did u happen to spell it wrong?
maybe were all like that game but someone created a very advenced version & if were all a simulation they did a damn good job on the texture maping lol
I saw a tv program about that, like one day there will be A.I. with so advanced programming that it wont even know its a program, it will think it is a real human being. So yeah, maybe we all are programs in a simulated game and just don't know it.
we are. and its shockingly sad fucked up.confusing and every thing possible bad.
if u just only have knowledge that this reality we know is fake and dont have the rest,(the brighter side) then youll feel like that dude who read the letter and be angry. unfortunately i dont have the brighter side part yet,but david icke & many others seem to,& it must be some em good cuz they dont seem freaked out.
No not exactly. A basic computer program is not self conscious in the human condition. Current Artificial Intelligence programming mimics human emotions but is not at the stage where it believes itself to be human.
You could write a very basic command that identifies itself as "Human" easily, but that's vastly different to creating an A.I. that thinks it's human. The level of Advancement is not a factor.
Your computer can self diagnose, it is aware of itself therefore but it is not A.I.
Best movie ever! The only bad thing about it is actually its name. It shouldn't have been called The Thirteenth Floor. Besides that, this movie rocks. Great acting, good visuals and superb story. In one word, outstanding.
Talk about the important things. Like how all of you are un-real -crafted for my benefit. eXistenZ, Dark City...Dr Jose Delgado, Paul Baird, Nick Bostrom, dreams (simulations-test-runs?)...
The only good matrix was about the first half of the first one .. then it went wayyyyy toooo hollywood. A lot of "read between the lines" in that first part of the first matrix movie ... dunno if anyone else noticed
actually it came out before the matrix, but may have been inspired by the books that inspired the matrix movie.. the title doesnt come to mind right now though
Dude, this all happened WITHIN The Matrix. The real world was the world beyond the one they were already in. The one they're in is the Matrix. Kansas, dude. Kansas.
so in the year 3,000 well say the robots took over and used us as a power source and in the matrix we created a program that would make an alternate reality like in the 13th floor. and in that alternate reality they made one to!
WHEN DOES THE NONSENSE END!
AND THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE ROBOTS THAT TOOK OVER THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY ME! PROGRAMMING IT ALL!
I am a MISS my dear and I didn't say it was retarded. It just looks retarded. I've seen great movies that looked horrible so I understand what you mean...
Great movie but it is very bad that it will only be remembered as ''that movie from join me.'' I hate when everyone always links this movie with that emo song.
This poor movie. The reason it was totally forgotten is because it came out in theatres right next to the MATRIX, and their concepts were so similar that the Matrix kinda won because it was so damn flashy. This is such a great movie, though.
If you're going to talk about Virtual Reality films, you should also know about "Brainstorm." Directed by Douglas Trumbull in 1883. "The 13th Floor" didn't show up until 1999. Both great films; both SERIOUSLY overlooked.
TheStockwell 1 week ago
"he, what did you do to the universe"?
"turned it off" :D:D
nowjustthinkaboutit 2 weeks ago
great movie!
rasta172 3 weeks ago
It seems highly probable that we will have and be using a quantum computer that will be able to simulate consciousness with. It will evolve within the machine. All of this(the "objective" universe") evolved from a very large and yet infinitesimally small explosion 16 billion years ago. When we simulate it, it won't know we're here. Why is the speed of light a constant again?
probablechoices 1 month ago
@probablechoices So, if we develop a quantum computer with which we will be able to simulate consciousness (create a.i.). If we simulate the "big bang", the consciousness won`t know we`re here. Wait, what? If we can create a simulated consciousness, we surely don`t need to simulate the "big bang", we can just limit certain parts of the consciousness`s mind so that it won`t know it`s world is not real.
KarlisKristaps 1 month ago
@KarlisKristaps
Ya sort of.. reality is subjective, so it's up to you just how it might happen.. but it can't be "created", it will evolve, like all of this did. Like we did. I meant that we can create a set of conditions within a device or whatever you'd like that will allow for consciousness to develop and evolve, but no no we can't create it. Check out tom campbell, he has a theory of everything that is highly interesting
probablechoices 1 month ago
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@probablechoices It will be like the disease blind people can get - they think they can see and come up with explanations for why they run into things.
Didn`t quite catch the "Why is the speed of light a constant again?" tho.
KarlisKristaps 1 month ago
I think I crapped my pants
JackVGallivan 1 month ago
Man this is like sims 30 for ps12
jorg3023 1 month ago
I think that trailer might have spoiled the movie...
SchwingStudios 2 months ago
We just broke speed of light Faster you go slower the time goes and at the speed of light, time stand stil for you.....if we would go faster then time we would actually move back to the past amazing Listen up asshole. Anything is possible, just because a couple smart fucks write a book doesn't mean everything they're saying is true. Anything can change as shown by this experiment, we don't understand the universe at all. You can take a fucking lap faggot.
luisvega666 4 months ago
because he is the last one of his family...
tungalp 4 months ago
Why do I have the feeling this was completely overshadowed by The Matrix? I found out just now they both came out the same year, but the Matrix a month or two earlier.
ScottyMcGeester 6 months ago
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Nice, interesting, original movie. Craig Bierko was wonderful. The 90's had so many overlooked & underrated SCI-FI films - this one, FutureSport, The Time Shifters, Virtuosity, Tha Lawnmower Man, Alien 3, Space Truckers, Strange Days, The Arrival, Mimic, The Apocalypse (1997), Virus, RoboCop 2, Them, Body Snatchers, eXistenZ, Sphere, Judge Dredd, Demolition Man, Anaconda, The Shadow Men, Dark City etc
Magnolia296 7 months ago
This trailer does a bad job of selling a film that doesn't actually exist. It's like one of those funny "recut" trailers that change the genre of the film. Whoever made this trailer really tried to deep six the film.
JJ10DMAN 8 months ago
nice movie, i dont think they should have put in the last 2 phrases though
newblife 8 months ago
HIM sing in this movie! Great song great band!
skiddyville 8 months ago
this is meant to the competition for the Matrix oh well we all no who won that game "the Matrix"
Tonystarkes888 8 months ago
@Tonystarkes888 if you like that kind of film i reccomend Dark City it came out around same time as matrix and quite similar but quirky. Obv much less successful lol
stefano118118 8 months ago
@stefano118118 Dark City is a great movie, very underatted that one is in my top ten for best movies of all time.
Tonystarkes888 8 months ago
Duke Nukem?
Marbas777 8 months ago
There's an old experimental band too...calling "13th floor elevator"(it's a slang code name for drug too if i'm not mistaken) Gavin Baddeley write about it in in book on goth culture. It's about alterate perception of life...seeking other point of view, believing that something else is possible and ultimately escape from reality (isn't what a movie is for after all ??) .
The point is : "what will be your reaction if you discover that nothing is real ? How much will shit your pants ???"
MassacreAtTiffany 9 months ago
this new building in my city, they skipped the thirteenth floor because of how superstitious, so it goes 12, 14, 15
gr8fread 9 months ago
@gr8fread That's not the first time it happens, they do this kinda thing in some countries. I heard one day that they do that in Japan too. The 13th floor is a tabou, and in the movie it's a metaphor for a place where all things and truth we just don't want to deal with because it scares the poo out of us.
MassacreAtTiffany 9 months ago
@MassacreAtTiffany also because of the mental disease know as Triscadecaphobia, the fear of the number thirteen
gr8fread 9 months ago
ha lol i remember this movie where i took my future wife to see this movie months before getting married.
neverlast15 9 months ago
The dreams of the dreamer only realize they are dreams when the dreamer dreams the to.
robotpanda77 9 months ago
as much as you'd hate to realize it if you believe in an "all-knowing" higher power, ex. God. The universe is a simulation. if god knows everything and knows the future, your life is predetermined no matter how you look at it. god knows if you will think about your next "probable" move in life and what exactly you will do instead. Which leads to my theory that if he knows what everyone shall do then God doesn't care what we do. We were simply a toy if you will. entertainment
Afrowonder5332 10 months ago
typical american crap
lopezrodriquez 10 months ago
@lopezrodriquez Oh give it a rest. We don't care how 'richly cultured' you think you are, take it somewhere else.
BenGriffithsReviews 9 months ago
Amazing premise, wonderful twists in the plot. A real winner.
Pandoranage4101 10 months ago
i so want to watch this film!!! looks so interesting
CoirNoirify 10 months ago
Can you say TRON?
KidEatingClown 10 months ago
this was good, but i will say it moved too quickly before i really had time to engage with it. i felt there should be an hour's worth of cut scenes added to this movie. just not enough time before we are moved on to the next event- is this because its based on a bookperhaps? often a problem when books are long and squeezed down... but otherwise excellent film i like vincent donofrio.
jorgepeterbarton 11 months ago
reminds me of inception (2010)
anjanitapmikumar 11 months ago
this was such a great movie!! I found eXistenZ quite cheezy and disgusting. This in the other hand was awesome!!
pithikoulis 11 months ago
eXistenZ, Martix, this. So everyone got bored of reality in the late 90s then?
PushingPies 11 months ago
I'm also really disappointed for seeing the trailer before the movie. I would have enjoyed it much more, like I did the matrix. First time I saw that movie I had all these questions b.c I had no clue what was going on.
Sosodeflol 1 year ago
Is it just me or are these ideas for technology movies ALOT better in the 90s.
Sosodeflol 1 year ago
This is one of my favorite movies, it deserves much more credit than it gets, well cast and extremely well written
joesmoe71 1 year ago
we know your purpose mason 1:50
but i tell you : you know there is god (allah) and how matter you did to deceive us you will fail because we have faith but you give us nothing but lies
BEmuslimBE 1 year ago
i loved this movie until the matrix came out...Then I shit my pants.
kungblao 1 year ago
this film is amazing when you see it now and how much closer we are to that. just look how real virtual reality looks now. Similarities are crazy close.
How come that a computer can be connected to our brain ? ... BrainGate ...
You can only connect computer to another computer.
& only compatible software together,... if its not, it just won't work.
from how i can see it:
If we would not be in someway like hardware/software or just software, there would be no way that this could be possible.
behumble4God 1 year ago
@behumble4God in some way our brains are computers too (every braincell has the same functions as a processor). Connecting computer and brain is only matter of making software and hardware that is compatible with your brain (cause we can create computers and software the way we want it, but it's difficult to change the brains). It's only a matter of time before scientists will succeed in broadband brain computer connection. It already exist for small applications like for people with mutism
banaaninjeoor 1 year ago
@banaaninjeoor broadband brain... would not surprise me =) when you think about how quickly we got from invention of digital machine, computer, to all that we have now & then what... "they":) already have, but its hidden from general public, ... mind blowing :D
behumble4God 1 year ago
@behumble4God Maybe you can make a movie script of that ;)
banaaninjeoor 1 year ago
@banaaninjeoor :D Hey good idea
behumble4God 1 year ago
There's some philosophical theorem that goes something like "we have the following universe of possibilities:
1)Intelligent beings will never seek to make simulated universes
2)It is impossible to create simulated Universes
3)If both 1 & 2 fail to be true, we are almost certainly living in a simulated Universe
." (The idea being that simulated Universes will far out number the "actual" one).
ShahidMiller 1 year ago 52
@ShahidMiller
So according to your theory, we are unintelligent, able to create the impossible and are currently living in a simulated Universe. Do you suggest it is simulated in some kind of program? I agree with your principal theory by the way.
ksuedo 10 months ago
@ShahidMiller it cant be mpossible to create simulated Universes, because in our heads we have the idea so that means it is possible, "with an idea becomes possiblity" "Tonystarkes888"
Tonystarkes888 8 months ago
@ShahidMiller if it was possible
mquiroz90 8 months ago
@ShahidMiller I believe that concept has been put forward by VR theorist Nick Bostrom.
StevenErnest 7 months ago
This film is based on the novel Simularon-3, which was written by Daniel F. Galouye and published in1964, nearly a decade before Bostrom was even born and four years prior to PKD's *Do Androids ...* It was first made into the tv film WORLD ON A WIRE by Fassbinder and released in 1973. Essentially, it is the first film about virtual reality, prefiguring TRON, Blade Runner, The Matrix, etc. Although the term "replicant" is not used, conceptually, the simulated figures in the film are just that.
PathosDistanz 6 months ago 8
@PathosDistanz Great info! I wasn't implying that Bostrom was first with the simulation idea, but to the specific enumerated speculations put forth above by ShahidMiller, who did not seem to know whose ideas they were.
Philip K. Dick's "Time Out of Joint" also portrayed a kind of VR, as did his "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch." Both of these would make excellent films.
StevenErnest 6 months ago
@ShahidMiller Although I wouldn't agree with the statement. I had a similar thought about time travel which goes as follow: if time travel is possible, then it's already a reality.
philinmotion 7 months ago
@ShahidMiller the actual one is where your conciousness goes to after you die (a.k.a. leave the artificial body computer and mind) where love is the only reality.
stoneman289 5 months ago
@ShahidMiller So maybe simulated universes are the reason for multiverse?
ahhhhjjjj 4 months ago
@ShahidMiller Wrong, this would create a paradox.
If it's impossible to create simulated universes, then how would you live in a simulated universe if you CAN in fact make a simulated universe?
It would mean you're in a universe that got created by someone in an ''actual'' universe.
But as you've just said, creating them in an actual universe would be impossible.
Rayman4321 2 months ago
The Sims 4 is this movie.
LIzAndKaylaShow 1 year ago
the trailer doesn't do the movie justice.
scratchy996 1 year ago
11 who clicked "dislike" are just bots programmed to prevent us from discovering the truth
uglyguyfe 1 year ago
11 who clicked dislike are just bots programmed to prevent us from discovering the truth
uglyguyfe 1 year ago
this movie is a boolshit -_-` !
EipOon1 1 year ago
@EipOon1 idiot
dumbnetworks 1 year ago
awesome
BROKENHOUSEFILMS 1 year ago
I'm glad I didn't see this trailer before watching the movie as it basically spoils the the surprise/twist at the end of the movie.
Konnoisseur 1 year ago 2
the movie was too short wen it ended i was like what! becuase it wasnt really a completed movie
rap33r100 1 year ago
The movie is about alot of other things aswell. had to watch it again. two thumbs up.
Flexes25 1 year ago
The Thirteenth floor is the edge of the world as you know it, can't go any further cause it could only go so far. kind of like the bounderies of a video game, you can only make so much content before you run out of space.
Flexes25 1 year ago
what's better this movie or donnie darko.
BIGDADDYF50 1 year ago
@BIGDADDYF50 donnie darko way way way better
Carloswfi 1 year ago
@Carloswfi
agreed. Donnie Darko was a masterpiece
would you agree ? :)
BIGDADDYF50 1 year ago
@BIGDADDYF50 donnie darko.
THEROCK91L 1 year ago
its fairly obvious our world is not real or at least every one else but me isnt every one behaves too similar like there only 1 or 2 basic behavior models everyone follows everyone is too predictable
hod05 1 year ago
@hod05 yes I agree, the more i study the mechanics of the quantum world, the more evidence I see we are living in a controlled reality, a built in program if you will, not to say this is 100 per cent true, it lends credence to the idea, so at least i applaud the effort of the film here.
grenda5 1 year ago
Can anyone recommend any similar movies to thirteenth floor, the matrix, and dark city?
DeViLiN888 1 year ago
@DeViLiN888
Try Existenz, it is like the 13th floor, Matrix etc.
Try Cube, while different, it is also interesting movie
CoolDojo9000 1 year ago
@CoolDojo9000 Thank you very much :)
DeViLiN888 1 year ago
@DeViLiN888
Your welcome. I forgot to mention another movie, which is Matrix like, Dark City, it is a very good.
CoolDojo9000 1 year ago
@CoolDojo9000 Thank you. I will watch all of them! Do check out the new movie Inception on July 16th when it comes out. I think that this one will be amazing. It also deals with levels of reality, dreams and mind.
DeViLiN888 1 year ago
(!Might contain spoilers!)
This film totally blew my mind. The ending was very "american" but I didn't expect it, so that makes it sort of... different.
I like it how things got really complicated )although it took some time) and you really had to think hard sometimes.
The idea that lies behind this movie is far better than the one that lies behind the Matrix.
The Matrix might be rated "better" because of the special effects but still... I think this is better than the Matrix.
euklid216 1 year ago 3
@euklid216 yes the idea behind the movie is fantastic, but the execution is horrible.
If you tell the story of the movie to a friend that has never seen it, it sounds like a masterpice, but when you actually see it, the movie is just mediocre.
there is a reason matrix has better rating (way better acting, better script, etc...).
Carloswfi 1 year ago
Wait so WTF is the plot? They go through the portal so many times that they can't get back? Also from the title i would think this was a horror..
ThePandaLand 1 year ago 4
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What is wrong with you people? This movie was complete shit! Terrible dialogue and overcomplicated story. Check the rating or rotten and you'll see that this only appeals to base-level intellects.
featheon 1 year ago
>overcomplicated
lol
paddymoep 1 year ago
Yes, overcomplicated. As in: overt complexity that is not necessary to convey the ideas of the narrative.
I suppose you have something to say on the matter. The fact is that the only reason this movie has fanboys in because "it came first before the matrix." Well who cares; it stinks.
featheon 1 year ago
I didn't watch this movie. But is there such thing as a complicated movie? Or are the other movies just too simple?
Hm..
paddymoep 1 year ago
If you're throwing plot twists and technobable on the screen just to look erudite. When a movie tries to say that it's too good for it's audience, the only ones who enjoy it are those dumb enough to believe the claim.
featheon 1 year ago
@paddymoep Yes, complicated movies from my point of view are called what Mamoru Oshii made. =)
Jozsef86330 1 year ago
Became before the Matrix? Both films were released in '99. Dark City on the other hand was released in '98, thus released before the Matrix.
Maybe you should follow your own advice, try reading, you might find small but important facts like release dates interesting.
xen0ninja 1 year ago
Why the fuck said anything about dark city? Second, several of the comments did claim that this film came before the Matrix. Talk about taking your own advice, you don't even know the context of this discussion.
Get the fuck outta here.
featheon 1 year ago
@featheon lol you dont understand the movie so it is shit?!
angrusa 1 year ago
No, I elaborated on my reasoning below; quite rational. You should try reading.
featheon 1 year ago
Featheon, You are right, The 13th Floor does have some terrible dialogue. The movie premise and story is quite interesting though so saying it only appeals to base-level intellects is kind of unfair.
SevenPatch 1 year ago 14
Overcomplicated?
How can something be overcomplicated AND only for base-level intellects at the same time?
xen0ninja 1 year ago
Explained this in my comments, you imbecile.
featheon 1 year ago
@featheon im guessing u create scenes or ur an actor or do something similar around those lines? or u live with ur mom..?
baalyezidi 1 year ago
You're right, one shouldn't critique art unless that person is part of a small elite group, right? How foolish of me to attempt criticism. Geez, some real base level intellects are all I've seen so far. Or you are all way better at interpreting this art than all those critics at rottentomatoes that gave it a combined 29%.
What a pile.
featheon 1 year ago
@featheon You're a fucking idiot. The epitome of a "base level intellect". Actually no, more like a pseudo-intellectual.
NoJamOnYourBread 1 year ago
@NoJamOnYourBread U MADD
featheon 1 year ago
If Matrix wouldn´t been released in 99 too this would´ve been a hit... This movie is even smarter and more elegantly made. But the audience voted for special effects... Matrix once blew me away, but this one, well, was insaley genius!!
chemiecharmeur 1 year ago
@JDandDGvideos "Vivid bullshit". It's not a real movie. You're just incredibly stupid...
kleesus 2 years ago
The Thirteenth Floor is the movie The Matrix wanted to be but couldn't quite get there. :-)
MyCatBear 2 years ago 2
In 1999 nu has cap
InBurningTime 2 years ago
I want my city drive inn rebuilt hooker yer fucking with the wrong forces
InBurningTime 2 years ago
It's a interesting story. It's similar to matrix, being john malcovich and the truman show.
killbill402 2 years ago
i think we might actually be in a simulation. seriously. i am super super into this stuff. if you know of any more movies like this please tell me.
JDandDGvideos 2 years ago 2
dark city, the island, vanilla sky, aeon flux, ultra violet and of course the matrix....but there are other movies that have gnostic messages that deal with other stuff, movies like pleasantville, the fountain, the game, eXistenZ(and isten is a hungarian word for god) the truman show, twelve monkeys, and groundhog day
xxxslayerxxx666 2 years ago
I love this film too:)))
DarkTory1000 2 years ago
I love this movie!!!
iamgreengirl 2 years ago
This is a great movie!!!
godlywisdom 2 years ago
I saw this movie eight years ago. I loved the near end of this movie, when he drives to the end of this so called..........(not telling) It's creepy, blows your mind......could it be?!! Whoever came up with this movie had a great insight of the many who say this life is really but a dream or a hologram. Who really knows. You won't know until you die, and then it would be too late. The bottom line is create a life your happy with, enjoy it til the end.
hippychick48 2 years ago
For me it is better than The Matrix because it looks more realistic and more "believable". There is also another movie that is completely related to this one: eXistenZ.
Buzzerifier 2 years ago
I love this film, it is almost so good as Matrix, but doesn't have a expensive actor like Keannu Reeve.
thebob500 2 years ago 2
An Awakening movie! 1 year before the Matrix.
If there is no Matrix... THIS IS the Matrix :)
Petrusss8 2 years ago
Yeah, this one came earlier than the Matrix. Great movie. Shocking end!
lcville 2 years ago 3
Some of the worst acting I have ever seen. I had to switch this off after watching about 20 minutes of it.
Z38r45 2 years ago
agreed
Lainkweesha 2 years ago
That 'bad' acting is part of the movie, if you watch the rest of the movie you will understand why the acting is as such. You missed the whole point! Go back and watch the whole thing.
karimnn 2 years ago
Where the Matrix, etc. wear thin fast, this flick gets better with each viewing, as the richness of the subtle backround detailing and wry set decorations complex parallel roles seep into the consciousness.
Bierko and Mol are a tantalizing duo, too.
voidforpurpose 2 years ago
great film
dontlistentomeimmute 2 years ago 3
best mindfuck movie ever
dazcorupt 2 years ago 4
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wtf??
missnickjonasx0x 2 years ago
Oh and thanks for trailer lolenywalker !
Juissimies84 2 years ago
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spacey50 2 years ago
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Stupid ass! Why would i watch this again at your channel since i allready saw what i needed to see :D. Jackass lol
Juissimies84 2 years ago
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wtf was this shit
navarro145 2 years ago
Did this come out before The Matrix?
fegu 2 years ago
It was around the same time I think mate, errrr.... I think they both got nominated for the same award, but Matrix got it.
Ashleyuk1984 2 years ago
Couple of months earlier I think. It's funny it just seemed that computer simulated existentialism just seemed to be all the rage then. The movie XistenZ was in production at the same time and came out a month after the Matrix. And Equilibrium. None of them were a rip off since they were all made at roughly the same time, it was just a weird coincedence. Of course the other movies all got crushed under the Matrix Juggernaut, but none of them are that bad.
Beelzeboogie 2 years ago 11
@Beelzeboogie The plot of the movie Equilibrium has nothing to do with simulated reality!
But he first movie on this topic(simulted reality) was Welt am Draht (1973).
Jozsef86330 1 year ago
@Jozsef86330 Well with Equilibrium I was comparing it to the Matrix more for it's cinematography and gun-fu then it's plot, and the fact that it got lumped in with other movies such as The Thirteenth Floor and XistenZ as "Matrix rip-offs" which were released at around the same time. Dark City got lumped in with them too despite only vaguely resembling them.
Beelzeboogie 1 year ago
@Beelzeboogie Matrix did rip-off movies also. As style it borrowed elements from Ghost in the shell and Akira etc. Maybe there are some similarities betwen Matrix gun fight and gun kata from equilibrium, but not enough to call it a rip-off , anyway those elements could have been elements Matrix borrowed from other movies, .. lol. Gun kata anyway was inveted for the movie equilibrium, and inspired from martial arts.
Jozsef86330 1 year ago
@Beelzeboogie And thirteen floor is not a rip-off after matrix it moslty a rip-off after Wolrds on wire from 1970, even matrix can be considered rip-off after that, becauze it has similar plot, and the esence is exaclty the same simulated reality.
Jozsef86330 1 year ago
@Beelzeboogie I saw this movie the other day the 1st time, damn this movie is pure masterpiece! Matrix got all the awards but it's shit compared to this... All the details and the story of this movie, pure win!
DjGodaryD86 1 year ago
@Beelzeboogie actually "The Thirteenth floor" only has the story going for it, the acting and dialogue is horrible. and the movie is very predictable, does not even have good FX. The movie had potential for it being so GOOD, but it fails miserable because of bad direction, soap opera dialogue, and acting at the level of chris klein in the legend of chun-li. Now equilibrium is actually a great movie
Carloswfi 1 year ago
@Beelzeboogie what is this "xistenz" movie you're talking about? Ive searched for it and cant find it. I would like to watch it :).. did u happen to spell it wrong?
TaiLNeT 1 year ago
@TaiLNeT Yeah I did. It's called eXistenZ, forgot the E. Stars Jude Law.
Beelzeboogie 1 year ago
it came out at the same time, Equilibrium and Existenz as well.
Many movies of the same genre came out at 1999 just before the millennium. Just as there are many movies about the apocalypse before 2012.
jonathanwong 2 years ago 3
let me correct you there, equilibrium came out in 2002, but still, an awesome movie.
CisforCock 2 years ago
you know who i wanna kill? how about we go kill milo sasha ray
planet2009WELOVEICET 2 years ago
has anyone ever played the game sim city 4000??
maybe were all like that game but someone created a very advenced version & if were all a simulation they did a damn good job on the texture maping lol
James200809 2 years ago
I saw a tv program about that, like one day there will be A.I. with so advanced programming that it wont even know its a program, it will think it is a real human being. So yeah, maybe we all are programs in a simulated game and just don't know it.
ksuedo 2 years ago 23
I don't tink my life is interesting enough to be a game.
bigspaz3 2 years ago 2
we are. and its shockingly sad fucked up.confusing and every thing possible bad.
if u just only have knowledge that this reality we know is fake and dont have the rest,(the brighter side) then youll feel like that dude who read the letter and be angry. unfortunately i dont have the brighter side part yet,but david icke & many others seem to,& it must be some em good cuz they dont seem freaked out.
ziggykruger 2 years ago
Is this even English what you're speaking?
karimnn 2 years ago
@ksuedo wow thats scary
rap33r100 1 year ago
@ksuedo
so are you saying regular A.I. know that it is a program? isn't that more advanced than not knowing it's a program?
vwazp 10 months ago
@vwazp
No not exactly. A basic computer program is not self conscious in the human condition. Current Artificial Intelligence programming mimics human emotions but is not at the stage where it believes itself to be human.
You could write a very basic command that identifies itself as "Human" easily, but that's vastly different to creating an A.I. that thinks it's human. The level of Advancement is not a factor.
Your computer can self diagnose, it is aware of itself therefore but it is not A.I.
MoriquendiTV 10 months ago
Cudowny Film !!!!!!!!!! Miałam okazję oglądać go dwa razy i naprawdę zrobił na mnie niesamowite wrażenie !!!!!!!!!!!!
KatrinValo398 3 years ago
Best movie ever! The only bad thing about it is actually its name. It shouldn't have been called The Thirteenth Floor. Besides that, this movie rocks. Great acting, good visuals and superb story. In one word, outstanding.
jorand73 3 years ago
Love this movie....In my opinion far better then the Matrix even though done on the cheaper side!
BigglesBast09 3 years ago
Talk about the important things. Like how all of you are un-real -crafted for my benefit. eXistenZ, Dark City...Dr Jose Delgado, Paul Baird, Nick Bostrom, dreams (simulations-test-runs?)...
damatrixisreal 3 years ago
ya man. this is all a dream. your in a coma right now...and its your time to wake up...dont beleive me?..look behind you
Dylans503 3 years ago
one of my favourite sci-fi/thriller movies and an example of underestimated movie
WaffyFromBari 3 years ago
im considering uploading this what do you folks think?
digitalenigma00 3 years ago 2
i have this on dvd, love this movie
but i don't like the matrix
this one has a different style especially when it comes to the camera work
mysticism9 3 years ago
yhea i like there fade from real to digital better than the matrix bianary style
digitalenigma00 3 years ago
The only good matrix was about the first half of the first one .. then it went wayyyyy toooo hollywood. A lot of "read between the lines" in that first part of the first matrix movie ... dunno if anyone else noticed
AreYouTrippin 3 years ago
yhea hollywodd did seem to taint what it could have been, but just the same does it to most movies!
digitalenigma00 3 years ago
please do upload it man, its a great film.
auburnboy6969 3 years ago
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This was a cheap Matrix ripp off at the time. I ve seen it. It was quite fun. A litte low budget but well.
Who cares!
See you all in another dimension where this movie DID score. (Calles, in your dreams.)
"Cansas is going BYE BYE" :-)
edwinkleiss 3 years ago
actually it came out before the matrix, but may have been inspired by the books that inspired the matrix movie.. the title doesnt come to mind right now though
digitalenigma00 3 years ago
the name of the mistery, and powerfull book; wich inspired "the thirteen floor" and "the matrix", is..."the simulacrom"
olivialover75 3 years ago
Simulacron-3 by Daniel Galouye, not a bad book but drags on a bit.
drwolfer 3 years ago
I thought it was Jean Baudrillard's "Simulacra and Simulation".
NekoKururu 3 years ago
Dude, this all happened WITHIN The Matrix. The real world was the world beyond the one they were already in. The one they're in is the Matrix. Kansas, dude. Kansas.
SpaceCowboy941 3 years ago
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAH!
so in the year 3,000 well say the robots took over and used us as a power source and in the matrix we created a program that would make an alternate reality like in the 13th floor. and in that alternate reality they made one to!
WHEN DOES THE NONSENSE END!
AND THE PEOPLE THAT MADE THE ROBOTS THAT TOOK OVER THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY ME! PROGRAMMING IT ALL!
Dylans503 3 years ago
Movie was amazing. way better idea than matrix. also recommend gamez i believe it's called.
Equilibrius82 3 years ago 3
This looks retarded and interesting at the same time...I actually want to see it.
anaangel592 3 years ago
What? Retarded? Mister it seems that you do not know what a good movie is. Believe me the movie is better than it looks like.
murderever 3 years ago 5
I am a MISS my dear and I didn't say it was retarded. It just looks retarded. I've seen great movies that looked horrible so I understand what you mean...
anaangel592 3 years ago
Great movie but it is very bad that it will only be remembered as ''that movie from join me.'' I hate when everyone always links this movie with that emo song.
murderever 3 years ago
this movie reminds me of the matrix i cant wait to see it
middy1001 3 years ago 2
I haven't seen this movie in years, I was just thinking about it a few days ago, but couldn't remember the name. Can't wait to watch this again.
ItaliaMike 3 years ago 2
Thought this was a great film!!
haz2evo 3 years ago
This poor movie. The reason it was totally forgotten is because it came out in theatres right next to the MATRIX, and their concepts were so similar that the Matrix kinda won because it was so damn flashy. This is such a great movie, though.
DarkoMessiah 3 years ago