The only difference between these two men is that one is willing to admit what he thinks, how he feels and how it is without a shadow of a doubt or fear. Where as the other feels it necessary to be cautious so as to not " offend " anybody. Rest in peace Mister Hitchens, you are greatly missed in India. Where the secularists hold fast to what you spoke so eloquently about and believed everywhere you went.
It's so funny, in every Hitchens debate you can see his opponents smile and like roll their eyes after he finishes, as if they are saying "well god damn you can't expect me to compete with that"
@onefodderunit "atheist faith in 19th century theory of evolution"? That makes no sense at all. Atheist DON'T believe in a deity. Nothing to do with faith. Faith in evolution? WTF!! Evolution is based on fact and evidence and research. Nothing to do with faith and nothing to do with each other.
In the words of David Bowie: "This ain't rock & roll, this is genocide!" : INTERNATIONAL PHYSICIANS FOR THE PREVENTION OF NUCLEAR WAR : NEW DELHI, INDIA, FEB. 29, MAR. 1-2, 2004 : 500 tons of D.U. munitions have been dispensed in Afghanistan. Prof. Yagasaki calculated that 800 tons is the atomicity equivalent to 83,000 Nagasaki bombs. The amount of D.U. used in Iraq in 2003 is equivalent to 250,000 Nagasaki bombs.
@Alexiaden93 Wikipedia: Hitchens has written of his homosexual experiences when in boarding school in his memoir, "Hitch-22." These experiences continued in his college years when he allegedly had relationships with two men who eventually became a part of the Thatcher government.
The Rh factor in blood is independent from A, B, AB, O type distinctions, any of which can be Rh Negative. Rh is an abbreviation for the Rhesus monkey. All primates are Rh Positive. About 15% of humans have Rh Negative blood.
(Dee Finney article excerpt): Haemolytic disease is the allergic reaction that occurs when an Rh negative mother is carrying a Rh positive child.
Why does infant's haemolytic disease occur in humans if all humans are the same species? <<<<
You don't really want to argue faith vs science. Because you will lose and always will, If you ever won you would have been a part of science by disproving a scientific theory, at the same time faith is left just as ridiculous.
If it was science vs God then you would have to argue against science improving human life expectancy and so therefore improving on "Gods design" this would seem to suggest God is not all powerful and perfect?
Abiogenesis is the creation of living organism from none living matter, it it's self is not a theory your right but, there are prediction on how this can happen, none of which have been proven I don't think but that doesn't mean it cannot happen.
@onefodderunit to sum up your comment toward xHouseyx you're saying that in the last decade we've learned that on a molecular level we are not made of "star stuff"?? if so then you've just nailed yourself to a cross.
@onefodderunit after reading more of your comments toward others and checking your profile it's now quite obvious you're a troll as NO ONE can be that stupid, even a religious person ;)
@onefodderunit maybe aliens with extremely high level of technology? but who designed them? who designed the first designer? is the designer a god? Please don't answer with "You're of the idiotic Atheist faith that life is a creation of inanimate matter"
If you believe it logical to hold faith in a mysterious ability of inanimate matter to transform itself into life, then you earn the title of: Atheist
You're just being an asshole. No ones knows how the universe started. I'd rather wait for the scientific explanation rather than saying "God did it". And even if we never find out how it started. Myself and other atheists will be mature enough to accept that.
I'm really not sure where you get this stuff from. I don't think that's true at all. Like all theists you just latch onto anything that proves your deluded point and ignore the other 99 points that disprove it.
I don't know about the origin of life. No one does. Why are you so desperate for an answer? I'm mature enough to admit that I don't know. Perhaps you should be too, Christian.
That literally makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Because I'm willing to admit that know one knows how life began my beliefs are faith based? You're hilarious. You're also pretentious, condescending, unpleasant and self important. I'm bored of you and your bizarre backwards logic.
@onefodderunit We do have a workable theory for the origin of life from inanimate matter, it is called abiogenesis. As the theory is supported by known EVDIENCE, it does not require belief, which is by definition belief without evidence. Also, atheism is as much a faith as not collecting stamps is a hobby, or bald is a hair color (i.e., it is not). Atheism is based on the neutral assumption that no Gods exist - it is up to the believer to substantiate his/her claims of a God.
@CookieMcWeaksauce One short correction - I should note that I meant to say "it does not require FAITH, which is by definition belief without evidence." My point remains the same.
False, Atheist. Your wish that inanimate matter turned itself into life has never been a scientific theory. If you claim it is again without researching, you're a common lying Atheist.
I'm not religious. Only intelligence designs/creates, and intelligence only comes from intelligence. That is fact requiring no belief.
@onefodderunit - You just contradicted the whole hypothesis of a creator being present in our universe if intelligence can only come from intelligence. This isn't a one-way argument, my friend.
I'm not your friend, Atheist, and it's understood that infinite consciousness is incomprehensible to Fundamentalist Materialists.
Consciousness is electric energy and energy is infinite.
Do you have enough integrity to acknowledge there is no evidence or scientific theory supporting your Atheist faith in a miracle of inanimate matter turning into life?
@onefodderunit You claim you're not religious, yet you support what creationists try to call 'intelligent design'? What a contradiction. It's creationism, pure and simple, and it's a breath away from God and religion. Also, you use the term atheist like it's an insult. You should proabably know that we're proud to be atheists, and we are everywhere.
@stevestoker We ARE everywhere, we just need to make ourselves seen and heard and push mythology back to dusty bookshelves where it belongs.....let logic and reason prevail.
The fact that inanimate matter cannot turn itself into life is not based on any religious belief.
If you have Atheist faith in the 19th century theory of Evolution, then you must believe it's possible for human beings to evolve into advanced flying creatures in billions of years.
Do you imagine this process of evolution could begin by generations of jumping and arm flapping?
@onefodderunit Furthermore, human morality and integrity is not obtained from the Bible. The Bible contains and advocates all matter of sexism, murder, genocide, torture, slavery, misogyny, and homophobia. It is a horrible moral compass. Modern, civil humans derive our morals from logical and secular principles. Kindness and altruistic behavior are easily accounted biologically. In short, you do not need God to be good.
@onefodderunit Finally, if your belief in your religion (I will assume Christianity) WERE true, onefodderunit would, by definition, have a soul. The fact that he is an atheist simply means he rejects the existence of God. Not only do you appear ignorant of an extensive amount of extremely well-supported science, but you also seem woefully uninformed on your own religion.
am Hindu..wanna debate>? bring me your bible i bring my Bhagavad Gita, bring me your prophets i will bring mine, tell me about your faith and i will tell you about mine...
want proof? u just need to accept Khrishna and have faith... You christians are all wrong... Khrishna is the only and real god. you must accept him or you will perish.... clock is ticking ..you decide
hitchens running his mouth on how innocent the atheist minority is from religous stupdity that is responsible for countless deaths worldwide yet he forgets to mention the millions of deaths under secular communist regimes russia(formerly u.s.s.r) china, north korea, vietnam, eats germany etc ... literally millions of deaths..... now can someone please explain to me please how that argument is justifiable... hitchens really was a fool! game over.
@6gunwalker "forgets to mention the millions of deaths under secular communist regimes russia(formerly u.s.s.r) china, north korea, vietnam, eats germany"
Communist Russia did not kill people due to a lack of belief in Zeus.
QED.
China was not and is not secular, nor is North Korea, nor was/is Vietnam and nor was East Germany.
@seansalvador1 " Communist Russia did not kill people due to a lack of belief in Zeus." If Russia had been practising Christians following Christ's laws they would never have killed anyone ..Atheism was the catalyst if not the purpose ..QED ( and that applies to NK , China and indeed all war) Your desperate attempts to blame God for all the evils and wars throughout history is quite pathetic ..and your blindness in not knowing it is the ABSENCE of God that is the cause, is breathtaking )
@Recordbhoy ..anyone who believes in him ..I repeat , you hypocrite . Dealing with muppets like you requires a big stick ..I dish out what is dealt to me ..if you don't like it, tough, Your belief system of hopelessness and despair, is wha makes me angry,filling empty heads ( especially children ) that this world is all there is, taking the truth of God from their hearts and robbing them of their birthright ...fiends like you are worse than Satan ..and God help you when you're held to account
I can't hate what I don't believe exists, though your theology makes him up to be quite the disturbing figure.
I usually don't bring this up because it's utterly irrelevant but IF (big if) there is a god I'm sure he's nothing like the hateful unforgiving and unjust tyrant ppl like you make him out to be, but instead a just god of love and mercy.
@Recordbhoy "I see you're getting angry now" Just now?, lol, have you been asleep the entire time? But no, I'm no more angry than I was at the beginning of our 'conversation'. In other words; mainly annoyed and disgusted, with just a hint of justified anger. Besides, only someone completely devoid of emotion could look at the filth you spew and not get angry. What facade? I've been nothing but clear concerning what I think of you. "God hating Christian hating thug" Oh how original... (cont.)
I object to the immoral garbage you spew because I care for my species (and know that many of us are good moral people undeserving of what you seem to wish upon us, even if we're not perfect), if that makes me loathsome in your eyes then so be it.
After all, you're so far below me that it quite honestly doesn't matter what think about me and ppl like me in that diseased little mind of yours.
WARNING: TRYING TO RATIONALIZE WITH THIS MORON ---> @Recordbhoy MAY CAUSE SEVERE LOSS OF IQ AND TIME... DO NOT INTEND UNLESS YOU WAN'T TO HAVE SOME FUN WITH A BRAINLESS OLDIE.
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump.I said, "Don't do it!"He said,"Nobody loves me."I said, "God loves you.Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes."I said,"Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said,"Protestant." I said,"Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist."I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me,too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?
Religion consistently gets in the way of human progress by impassioning its followers. Passion begets violence, ignorance, hate, and is more often than not unproductive. If God intended to help people with religion he most certainly has done a poor job.
Are you claiming that because you don't know any violent Christians then therefore Christians are not violent? In fact, in studies the opposite has proven to be true.
In fact, there was a report that midnight mass in the UK there was a brawl in a church! Does this anecdote prove the opposite? No.
@seansalvador1 You moron ..Midnight mass was packed to the rafters where I am ..and not a scuffle in sight ..just good hearted warmth ..multiply that in every single church in the world ..of all faiths ...What an imbecile you must be >
@seansalvador1 Yet you use anecdotal evidence to denounce faith in God . A muslim terrorist blows himself up ..hundreds of millions of muslims are terrorists ...a priest abuses a kid , every priest is an abuser ..Your entire thought process and your entire God hating ? Christian hating agenda is governed by anecdotal evidence ..Moron ( and hypocritical one at that )
@Recordbhoy "A muslim terrorist blows himself up ..hundreds of millions of muslims are terrorists"
I never said anything like this. I have never said anything like this. Do you like putting ridiculous words into the mouths of others and then berating them for those idiot words they never said?
@Recordbhoy "a priest abuses a kid , every priest is an abuser ..Your entire thought process and your entire God hating ?"
Again, i never have and never will say anything like this. As i have already said, my whole entire first comment was a rejection of the logical fallacy that is the use of anecdote as evidence.
@seansalvador1 Every atheist on earth uses anecdotal evidence ( in essence , because it is all they have ..even resorting to the Crusades 1000 years ago ..One muppet here even blamed WW2 on the RC church, even Hitchens in this video is doing it ) ..If you deny this , then you are contradicting every single one of your fellow atheists in this thread ,,
No, he is talking about the complacency of the church during WW2, not that they caused it!
"Every atheist on earth uses anecdotal evidence ( in essence , because it is all they have ..even resorting to the Crusades 1000"
All they have in what way? It is your burden to prove your claims, not mine to disprove them. I have never mentioned the crusades... you did, just now. So what are you talking about?
@seansalvador1 It is not the churches job to fight war .In fact the world was plunged into war BECAUSE of sin and Godlessness .they were not complacent in anything ..they are there to preach the word of Christ ..you're an idiot ..Is not my burden in any way whatsoever to prove any thing whatsoever to you ..You prove to me that God does not exist ..that is your burden .. As for the crusades ..every atheist clings to it ..you would have got there eventually
What are you talking about it's not their job? I never said it was or even hinted such nonsense. You love to fight straw men don't you? I said they were complacent.
They never condemned Hitler and they celebrated his birthday every year.
@Recordbhoy "Is not my burden in any way whatsoever to prove any thing whatsoever to you ..You prove to me that God does not exist ..that is your burden"
This is a logical fallacy called the demand for negative evidence. Do you say that if i cannot disprove unicorns then they must exist? No, because it is illogical to do so.
I have already explained that it is theists who are making an ontologically positive claim.
@seansalvador1 No , the logical fallacy ( I am so bored with that YT sound bite ..haven't you got anything original ) is that I should be required to produce God ( on a YT post no less ) ....And hiding behind unicorns doesn't work either .God exists , he is beyond man and all his perceptions.You wouldn't know evidence of God if it hit you like a meteor ...you have no idea of your insignificance ..and you demand that God justify himself to a microbe like you ..who on earth do you think you are
@Recordbhoy "As for the crusades ..every atheist clings to it ..you would have got there eventually "
I have not mentioned it once and need not do so. You have mentioned it twice... so it seems you have a hang up on your religions past history of ethnic cleansing.
@seansalvador1 I never mention the crusades either ..they are irrelevant .I was making a point ..The church was not complacent ..by that reasoning America and the rest of the world were complacent ..do you hate the Swiss because the did nothing either ..of course not ..they weren't priests ..I repeat , it is not the churches job to fight the German army ..are you really this stupid ?
@seansalvador1 The usa came in eventually , for self interest , ( we finally just paid them off ) .As regards Hitlers birthday , so what ..Hitler was loved by everyone in Germany , you speak with hindsight , and if they didn't " declare a holy day " ( despite what they inwardly thought ) ..so what ! Hitler would still have invaded Poland , the church was still powerless , and God still exists ..You talk utter garbage mate ..talk about clutching at straws ..desperate to blame the innocent
@Recordbhoy "Hitler would still have invaded Poland , the church was still powerless"
But that's not what i said, i never even hinted that they could have stopped the war, nor did i even hint at them having power, i said they were complacent and even complicit!
You can only fight against your straw men, you put words into my mouth and then fight against those words that i have not spoken. It's cowardly.
The burden of proof always rests with those making ontologically positive claims, and while the claim "there exists no god" is semantically positive, the claim "there exists a god" is both semantically and ontologically positive. This burden of yours is compounded by the fact that atheism only means to lack belief in a god, so necessitates no claims whatsoever.
@seansalvador1 Bullshit . I can say there is aliens near here ..Whether I can prove it or not is irrelevant ..if they are there , they are there ..There is NO burden on me to provide ANYTHING .And you are a liar when you say Atheism makes no claims ..you claim categorically that there is no God .if you know this ..prove it ! What you want is me to write volumes while you sit on your arse ..NO !! I will not do your legwork ..God exists , he is beyond man's perception , know this or perish
@seansalvador1 "The Hindu's say different " so what ! Take that argument up with a hindu ..and nothing is more hopeless than your philosophy of despair ..thank God it's a lie . I wonder if you watched your parents die, or you child , and whispered in their ear " goodbye , you'll be nothing but worm food soon and I'll never see you again " Yes , that would be wonderful for them to hear , so enlightening , without a crumb of despair ? Can you grasp the magnitude of your stupidity ?
@seansalvador1 Bullshit , I expose your philosophy of despair ..just like your God Hitchens felt on his last moments . How can a church be complicit , they are there to teach Christ, nothing else .If fools like you would listen, there would be no wars ..ever ..I put words into your mouth all right ..truth ..for the first time ( and I repeat , take hinduism up with a hindu ..stop dragging others into your losing battle )
Losing battle my ass. Christopher Hitchens is dead and still speaks more sense then you ever will. I can't believe a person can feel so sorry for themselves as to say that there must be a God because I don't want to die and then not exist, grow up.
What do you believe is Hitchens' best argument to rationalize the Atheist faith that inanimate matter is creator of life, and the universe created itself from nothing?
I don't believe Hitchens is the expert in these matters. Although if you search for , "A universe from nothing by Lawrence Krauss AAI 2009"
But it doesn't matter if we know or not, you can't probably tell me what you did exactly 24 hours from now with any precision yet you want us to look back 13.72 billon years and your wondering why we haven't yet found a definite answer.
If you had to prove everything that didn't exist, you would spend the rest of your life wasting your time.
You can't think of one decent rationalization Hitchens made for the Atheist faith that the universe created itself and that inanimate matter created life? Neither can I. He made his gas sound eloquent but it had no substance.
@onefodderunit don't ask for Hitchen when arguing about origins of life, you should ask for Dawkins, Einstein or Hawking, btw you should look up for Miller-Urey Experiment and Monsignor Georges Lemaitre
Miller-Urey produced amino acids in a lab in 1953 using devices including an arc-n-spark and a cold trap to isolate the formations from being destroyed by the unnatural atmosphere they used consisting of ammonia and methane.
You're not one of these Atheist idiots who parrots: 'Amino acids are the building blocks of life.', are you? Life is not a structure. Life is a force.
Atheism is Orthodox Rejection of Intelligence, the only designer/creator.
@onefodderunit you're not one of these creationist idiots who parrots: "Earth is about 4,000" years old or "Adam and Eve were the first spiritually aware humans" or dinosaurs were wiped out by the Flood are you?
Nothing can create itself, You a bit small minded to think the universe is everything. If you watched the video I suggested you search for you would know it is possible for the universe to come from nothing due to quantum fluctuations of nothing, The total energy in the universe is 0, that's a proven fact and to stand to the conservation of energy God would have had to have done nothing to create it, otherwise it would maintain some energy. One word, Abiogenesis.
Dictionary definition for Abiogenesis: "the now discredited theory that living organisms can arise spontaneously from inanimate matter; spontaneous generation." <<<<
you wrote: "The total energy in the universe is 0"
You are an Atheist idiot. Energy is infinite. What do you believe are its limits?
Energy is not infinite. Watch the video I mentioned and you will understand a lot more /watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo.
That's a fact I know, However, not having too much of an interest in biology I don't have such a good understanding of abiogenesis so won't argue that, but would that then give you the right to assume God must exist. What s infinite is the number of other possibilities people could come up with, why aren't they then true.
Don't tell me to watch a video for something you're too stupid to express on your own, Atheist. You claim energy is finite. Define what you believe to be its limitations then.
Energy must be conserved so cannot be created. To get electricity from burning fossil fuels for example does not create energy, but simply converts the chemical energy into electrical with some lost as heat light and maybe some other forms of energy.
The video is an hour long and addresses from a basic understanding how we can show a universe coming from nothing, I have 500 characters and don't feel like I could do it justice.
You claimed that energy is finite. You should be able to define what you believe to be its limitations in less than 200 characters.
You can't begin to rationalize the Atheist faith that inanimate matter created life, and human consciousness. If rationalizing the Atheist Orthodox Rejection of Intelligence in creation of the universe were important to you, you'd try harder than just telling people to go watch a video.
Maybe you're not really that committed to Atheism.
The overall energy is 0 and always will be 0. I suppose energy could be considered infinite although with an infinite negative energy to conserve it. But I'm not sure what you getting at, to "disprove" atheism would simply be to prove the existence of God. I rationalise my understanding that God does not exist by one, looking at the lack of evidence to support a God, and then considering the affects if there were a God. It's very simple.
Energy is infinite, that is why you can't define its origin or its limitations. You listened to someone seem to rationalize what you wish to believe, and in your Atheist Orthodox Rejection of Intelligence, you accepted it without thinking about it.
You're gullible enough to believe inanimate matter is your creator. Atheism is right for you.
@onefodderunit You are arrogant and foolish enough to disregard that a creator would have to create himself or be created by another creator. If those are plausible to you then I point you to the argument from infinite regress.
Consciousness is electric energy and it is infinite. Cling to your Atheist faith that inanimate matter is your creator, if you're not geared for spiritual evolution. Perhaps next lifetime.
Atheism is the non belief that there is deities. Lack of evidence for religious beliefs allows me to make justifiable claims, justified by the shear improbability that science would have found no evidence for a God and even in religion itself. The probability that your religion out of the many religions is the right one is improbable.
You're of the asinine Atheist faith that life is a freak consequence of a primordial chemical reaction. If you believe life was never intended, you should discontinue your pointless, selfish daily consumption and defecation of nature, take command of your perceived inevitable faith and get out. The fact that Atheists believe life is unintended, but aren't volunteering to relieve nature of their burden by checking out early, is evidence of selfishness greed, and fearfulness.
Why must something beautifully improbable be seen as a bad thing. If anything it's better then any religious belief, the idea of eternal torture is not a pleasant, and I mean heaven and hell, living for eternity would be horrific.
Carl Sagan
"We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
I find that more entrancing then anything in the Bible.
God doesn't exist so it's no surprise that this video has 723 likes versus 13 dislikes and your getting your faith destroyed by atheists by being so obnoxious.
No I was showing how your statement was flawed by changing the aspects mentioned and making you discredit it.
So you know EXACTLY how life was created? Just because we don't know something doesn't mean you can pick one explanation out of an infinitely possible number of explanations and say it's therefore right.
@xHouseyx writes: "So you know EXACTLY how life was created?"
How Atheistically dishonest. No, I do not know how life was created. But I do know that it is not a creation of a mythical, primordial chemical coincidence, as per the asinine Atheist faith.
Intelligence is creative. Inanimate matter is not. Inanimate matter did not create intelligence. It takes an Atheist to believe it could.
AI - another example of a design/creation by intelligence. Intelligence comes from intelligence. It requires a little intelligence to figure that out, Atheist.
But it is inanimate matter being intelligent, so although I don't believe that the universe is intelligent design, matter can act intelligent due to the laws of physics.
Consciousness is observable in electromagnetic brain waves. That is not related to your asinine faith that life is a creation of inanimate matter. You're being Atheistically absurd.
@onefodderunit Intelligent design made the SARS or AIDS?.... Because it is Intelligent Design or Evolution you cannot mix them up. So if evolution which is a theory ( i hope you know what theory means) (not an opinion or hypothesis as many people think)So if the newest branch of creationism is the answer therefore Intelligent design is also the responsible of cancer, aids and Sars? or how you explain that? who created those? because those are very complexed organisms. Who is the designer?
@onefodderunit mmm you didn't answer my question..You just repeat your rant about "inanimate matter creator of life" So my question again ..Is cancer, Aids and Sars part of the intelligent design? yes or no?
@onefodderunit lol..i rest my case. Ha going around questions is not an answer. So the origin of viruses is unknown uh? Why is unknown? there must be a designer... lol You're the idiot. Now go watch Ray Comfort and his videos about Bananas proving intelligent design.Have fun with your hypothesis. Am waiting for Intelligent Design to revoke theory status of evolution.. Just one proven fact against evolution just one and it's over for Darwin's theory.So why it's taking you idiots so long?
Are you even aware your asinine Atheist faith that life is a creation of inanimate matter has never been a scientific theory? Inanimate matter isn't creative, idiot. Intelligence is.
@onefodderunit Yeah yeah moron, i rest my case i said. Ad hominem idiot. You can't even answer a simple question you just repeat the same rant again and again. So moron who created the designer? is the designer a god/? alien? a time traveller? can you answer that without your shitty pomposity going around questions...
There is no debate that intelligence designs/creates.
You can't begin to rationalize your rejection of intelligence for faith that inanimate matter is your creator. You lie to yourself and tell yourself that your faith
is scientific. Your idiocy is self imposed and self evident.
@onefodderunit Where's the proof to your claim?you don't understand how something began so therefore there most be a designer? lol what's intelligence? what's a design? it's just pathetic the way Creationism/religion tries to make a comeback under ID. You need undeniable proof to say a claim is undebeatable. where's the undeniable proof for your pseudo scientific hypothesis? How intelligent is that human genetic code, that vast majority identical to that of chimps and other primates,
@onefodderunit lol! So you deny humans genome studies.. lol It's funny how you just go around and around questions with your repetive and only pseudo argument "The Atheist faith that inanimate is creator of life..." The Atheist faith that inanimate is creator of life".... Get out of here Mr ad Hominem...
oh oh lousy Shashi, you sound intelligent enough to know you're lousy.
SheStillRuns 1 day ago
:( Rip hitchens
MiloMatrataMusic 5 days ago
The only difference between these two men is that one is willing to admit what he thinks, how he feels and how it is without a shadow of a doubt or fear. Where as the other feels it necessary to be cautious so as to not " offend " anybody. Rest in peace Mister Hitchens, you are greatly missed in India. Where the secularists hold fast to what you spoke so eloquently about and believed everywhere you went.
Sapientian 6 days ago 2
pure poetry, missed but not forgotten.
thomasthepom2 1 week ago
The world could really use some more of Hitchens.
rouzbehazshab 1 week ago
It's so funny, in every Hitchens debate you can see his opponents smile and like roll their eyes after he finishes, as if they are saying "well god damn you can't expect me to compete with that"
SirDebaser 1 week ago
Jesus is lord.
*sits back*
Giovanni222 1 week ago
@Giovanni222 Jesus is dead.
*gets on with my life*
mrface19 6 days ago 3
@onefodderunit "atheist faith in 19th century theory of evolution"? That makes no sense at all. Atheist DON'T believe in a deity. Nothing to do with faith. Faith in evolution? WTF!! Evolution is based on fact and evidence and research. Nothing to do with faith and nothing to do with each other.
* face palm* "C'mon man"!! * face palm*
paramattic70 1 week ago
I miss Hitch!
LBurris597 1 week ago 2
love how he was going for a victory drag at the end.
don14vito 2 weeks ago 3
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In the words of David Bowie: "This ain't rock & roll, this is genocide!" : INTERNATIONAL PHYSICIANS FOR THE PREVENTION OF NUCLEAR WAR : NEW DELHI, INDIA, FEB. 29, MAR. 1-2, 2004 : 500 tons of D.U. munitions have been dispensed in Afghanistan. Prof. Yagasaki calculated that 800 tons is the atomicity equivalent to 83,000 Nagasaki bombs. The amount of D.U. used in Iraq in 2003 is equivalent to 250,000 Nagasaki bombs.
ParadiseOnLand 2 weeks ago
is he smoking?
MrProtuber 2 weeks ago
Judaism was not derived from ancient Greek .
it was from ancient other Semitic religions
mideastatheist 2 weeks ago
@mideastatheist He did not say that.
LTMagic21 2 weeks ago
@LTMagic21
yes he did at 0:47
mideastatheist 2 weeks ago
@mideastatheist He did not say Greek.
LTMagic21 2 weeks ago
@LTMagic21
what did he say ?? Greece ? or Greek ? its the same in this case
anyway not a big deal , infact i admire Hichens but people make mistakes from time to time
mideastatheist 2 weeks ago
@mideastatheist No, he said race. Ancient race myths.
LTMagic21 2 weeks ago
@mideastatheist I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you have one fewer reason not to admire Hitchens. He did say "ancient race myths" I'm afraid.
Alexiaden93 2 weeks ago
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@Alexiaden93 Wikipedia: Hitchens has written of his homosexual experiences when in boarding school in his memoir, "Hitch-22." These experiences continued in his college years when he allegedly had relationships with two men who eventually became a part of the Thatcher government.
TheWorldFarOff 2 weeks ago
"equal and equivalent glimpses of the untrue". Couldn't be said more perfectly
ljdougall 2 weeks ago 33
he snapped his shit up
Kneleist 2 weeks ago
Thats right lady, you shut up when the Hitch is speaking! =)
joestudio901 2 weeks ago
wow i didnt know they debated.
sgtmcwallace 2 weeks ago
thanks for the upload
daskalaka 3 weeks ago
i love the way he called them cults. I wish he didn't die
stevonz3333 3 weeks ago 32
Are humans all one species?
The Rh factor in blood is independent from A, B, AB, O type distinctions, any of which can be Rh Negative. Rh is an abbreviation for the Rhesus monkey. All primates are Rh Positive. About 15% of humans have Rh Negative blood.
(Dee Finney article excerpt): Haemolytic disease is the allergic reaction that occurs when an Rh negative mother is carrying a Rh positive child.
Why does infant's haemolytic disease occur in humans if all humans are the same species? <<<<
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
I think your missing a fairly large point.
You don't really want to argue faith vs science. Because you will lose and always will, If you ever won you would have been a part of science by disproving a scientific theory, at the same time faith is left just as ridiculous.
If it was science vs God then you would have to argue against science improving human life expectancy and so therefore improving on "Gods design" this would seem to suggest God is not all powerful and perfect?
xHouseyx 3 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
Abiogenesis was never a "scientific theory". No soul, no integrity, Atheist.
You willfully reject intelligence and choose the asinine faith that inanimate matter is your creator. You're an Orthodox Idiot.
It isn't Atheism verses Religion, it's Atheism versus Intelligence
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Abiogenesis is the creation of living organism from none living matter, it it's self is not a theory your right but, there are prediction on how this can happen, none of which have been proven I don't think but that doesn't mean it cannot happen.
xHouseyx 3 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
Inanimate matter cannot create life. Inanimate matter is inanimate. This is why Atheism was the right choice for you. Atheism is Orthodox Idiocy.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
You are made mainly of atoms formed in a star due to nuclear fusion, Agree or disagree?
xHouseyx 3 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
You're evading your Orthodox Idiocy, Atheist, by displaying your ignorance of 21st century Cosmology. What an Atheist.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Please enlighten me, I'm more then happy to learn.
xHouseyx 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit to sum up your comment toward xHouseyx you're saying that in the last decade we've learned that on a molecular level we are not made of "star stuff"?? if so then you've just nailed yourself to a cross.
TheRaellz 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit after reading more of your comments toward others and checking your profile it's now quite obvious you're a troll as NO ONE can be that stupid, even a religious person ;)
TheRaellz 3 weeks ago
@TheRaellz
You wrote: "star stuff". Those are your asinine words which you gave quotation marks.
You're of the idiotic Atheist faith that life is a creation of inanimate matter, are you not?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
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@onefodderunit maybe aliens with extremely high level of technology? but who designed them? who designed the first designer? is the designer a god? Please don't answer with "You're of the idiotic Atheist faith that life is a creation of inanimate matter"
MrProtuber 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Atheism requires no faith. Only a logical mind.
ChainsawVsGod 3 weeks ago
@ChainsawVsGod
If you believe it logical to hold faith in a mysterious ability of inanimate matter to transform itself into life, then you earn the title of: Atheist
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
You're just being an asshole. No ones knows how the universe started. I'd rather wait for the scientific explanation rather than saying "God did it". And even if we never find out how it started. Myself and other atheists will be mature enough to accept that.
ChainsawVsGod 3 weeks ago
@ChainsawVsGod
You're just being an Atheist. Your faith in a secret ability of inanimate matter to turn itself into life is asinine, but you still believe.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
I'm really not sure where you get this stuff from. I don't think that's true at all. Like all theists you just latch onto anything that proves your deluded point and ignore the other 99 points that disprove it.
ChainsawVsGod 3 weeks ago
@ChainsawVsGod
In what do you place faith as being the origin of life, Atheist?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
I don't know about the origin of life. No one does. Why are you so desperate for an answer? I'm mature enough to admit that I don't know. Perhaps you should be too, Christian.
ChainsawVsGod 3 weeks ago
@ChainsawVsGod
That's why your Atheist faith is faith based, Atheist.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
That literally makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Because I'm willing to admit that know one knows how life began my beliefs are faith based? You're hilarious. You're also pretentious, condescending, unpleasant and self important. I'm bored of you and your bizarre backwards logic.
ChainsawVsGod 3 weeks ago
@ChainsawVsGod
You've admitted your belief that inanimate matter once turned into life is not based on scientific theory. It's 100% faith based.
You lied when you wrote that your Atheist faith does not require faith. You have no soul, and so, no need for integrity.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit We do have a workable theory for the origin of life from inanimate matter, it is called abiogenesis. As the theory is supported by known EVDIENCE, it does not require belief, which is by definition belief without evidence. Also, atheism is as much a faith as not collecting stamps is a hobby, or bald is a hair color (i.e., it is not). Atheism is based on the neutral assumption that no Gods exist - it is up to the believer to substantiate his/her claims of a God.
CookieMcWeaksauce 3 weeks ago
@CookieMcWeaksauce One short correction - I should note that I meant to say "it does not require FAITH, which is by definition belief without evidence." My point remains the same.
CookieMcWeaksauce 3 weeks ago
@CookieMcWeaksauce
False, Atheist. Your wish that inanimate matter turned itself into life has never been a scientific theory. If you claim it is again without researching, you're a common lying Atheist.
I'm not religious. Only intelligence designs/creates, and intelligence only comes from intelligence. That is fact requiring no belief.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit your made from nothing but lifeless molecules............
Tridentgumisgood 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit - You just contradicted the whole hypothesis of a creator being present in our universe if intelligence can only come from intelligence. This isn't a one-way argument, my friend.
Critic863 3 weeks ago
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@Critic863
I'm not your friend, Atheist, and it's understood that infinite consciousness is incomprehensible to Fundamentalist Materialists.
Consciousness is electric energy and energy is infinite.
Do you have enough integrity to acknowledge there is no evidence or scientific theory supporting your Atheist faith in a miracle of inanimate matter turning into life?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Intelligence only comes from intelligence? Fact? Not only is it not a fact, it is self defeating.
CornishRicky 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit You claim you're not religious, yet you support what creationists try to call 'intelligent design'? What a contradiction. It's creationism, pure and simple, and it's a breath away from God and religion. Also, you use the term atheist like it's an insult. You should proabably know that we're proud to be atheists, and we are everywhere.
stevestoker 3 weeks ago
@stevestoker We ARE everywhere, we just need to make ourselves seen and heard and push mythology back to dusty bookshelves where it belongs.....let logic and reason prevail.
easyas314 3 weeks ago
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@stevestoker
The fact that inanimate matter cannot turn itself into life is not based on any religious belief.
If you have Atheist faith in the 19th century theory of Evolution, then you must believe it's possible for human beings to evolve into advanced flying creatures in billions of years.
Do you imagine this process of evolution could begin by generations of jumping and arm flapping?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Furthermore, human morality and integrity is not obtained from the Bible. The Bible contains and advocates all matter of sexism, murder, genocide, torture, slavery, misogyny, and homophobia. It is a horrible moral compass. Modern, civil humans derive our morals from logical and secular principles. Kindness and altruistic behavior are easily accounted biologically. In short, you do not need God to be good.
CookieMcWeaksauce 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Finally, if your belief in your religion (I will assume Christianity) WERE true, onefodderunit would, by definition, have a soul. The fact that he is an atheist simply means he rejects the existence of God. Not only do you appear ignorant of an extensive amount of extremely well-supported science, but you also seem woefully uninformed on your own religion.
CookieMcWeaksauce 3 weeks ago
The Rh Negative factor is not dependent on race.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Why does infant's haemolytic disease occur in humans if all humans are the same species? Ask your designer
MrProtuber 3 weeks ago
Hitch always puts his point perfectly
lizichell2 3 weeks ago
Miss you Hitch :( -3
sparkymmilarky 4 weeks ago 13
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am Hindu..wanna debate>? bring me your bible i bring my Bhagavad Gita, bring me your prophets i will bring mine, tell me about your faith and i will tell you about mine...
want proof? u just need to accept Khrishna and have faith... You christians are all wrong... Khrishna is the only and real god. you must accept him or you will perish.... clock is ticking ..you decide
MrProtuber 1 month ago 3
Hitchens told it as it was,truthfully.
naybobdenod 1 month ago
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MrProtuber 1 month ago
hitchens running his mouth on how innocent the atheist minority is from religous stupdity that is responsible for countless deaths worldwide yet he forgets to mention the millions of deaths under secular communist regimes russia(formerly u.s.s.r) china, north korea, vietnam, eats germany etc ... literally millions of deaths..... now can someone please explain to me please how that argument is justifiable... hitchens really was a fool! game over.
6gunwalker 1 month ago
@6gunwalker "forgets to mention the millions of deaths under secular communist regimes russia(formerly u.s.s.r) china, north korea, vietnam, eats germany"
Communist Russia did not kill people due to a lack of belief in Zeus.
QED.
China was not and is not secular, nor is North Korea, nor was/is Vietnam and nor was East Germany.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
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@seansalvador1 " Communist Russia did not kill people due to a lack of belief in Zeus." If Russia had been practising Christians following Christ's laws they would never have killed anyone ..Atheism was the catalyst if not the purpose ..QED ( and that applies to NK , China and indeed all war) Your desperate attempts to blame God for all the evils and wars throughout history is quite pathetic ..and your blindness in not knowing it is the ABSENCE of God that is the cause, is breathtaking )
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@6gunwalker I couldn't agree more ..Hitchens was the eloquent fool on earth
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
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@Recordbhoy ..anyone who believes in him ..I repeat , you hypocrite . Dealing with muppets like you requires a big stick ..I dish out what is dealt to me ..if you don't like it, tough, Your belief system of hopelessness and despair, is wha makes me angry,filling empty heads ( especially children ) that this world is all there is, taking the truth of God from their hearts and robbing them of their birthright ...fiends like you are worse than Satan ..and God help you when you're held to account
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy
"Your belief system of hopelessness and despair"
No it isn't. QED.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
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Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy
(cont.)
I can't hate what I don't believe exists, though your theology makes him up to be quite the disturbing figure.
I usually don't bring this up because it's utterly irrelevant but IF (big if) there is a god I'm sure he's nothing like the hateful unforgiving and unjust tyrant ppl like you make him out to be, but instead a just god of love and mercy.
I hate your depiction of god, NOT god.
Funny how you ppl always seem to confuse that.
(cont.)
Seymour13 1 month ago
Seymour13 1 month ago
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@Recordbhoy
Some food for thought concerning hell:
watch?v=qDpZxpBSfcc, watch?v=Puyykf3FwmU, watch?v=0vYKZe_Svno, watch?v=RdINL3CC7n4.
watch?v=uHWPq8BZauE, watch?v=p0_7vKFAx6Q, watch?v=YDESnQ8VsOQ, watch?v=bjamLaTuQWQ.
watch?v=aIqWMn-8nGY & watch?v=9Rb-vsdrfUQ.
watch?v=cpbwN_4pYnA & watch?v=7A1SxKEronw & watch?v=VmLB8JkisG4.
Watch the first 3 and last 5 if you don't have time for all of them.
Seymour13 1 month ago
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@Recordbhoy
(cont.)
I object to the immoral garbage you spew because I care for my species (and know that many of us are good moral people undeserving of what you seem to wish upon us, even if we're not perfect), if that makes me loathsome in your eyes then so be it.
After all, you're so far below me that it quite honestly doesn't matter what think about me and ppl like me in that diseased little mind of yours.
Seymour13 1 month ago
An intellectual fistfight with ...Joan Bakewell...in itself not possible, is it?
iBeep2009 1 month ago
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WARNING: TRYING TO RATIONALIZE WITH THIS MORON ---> @Recordbhoy MAY CAUSE SEVERE LOSS OF IQ AND TIME... DO NOT INTEND UNLESS YOU WAN'T TO HAVE SOME FUN WITH A BRAINLESS OLDIE.
MrProtuber 1 month ago
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MrProtuber 1 month ago
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!"
Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
MrProtuber 1 month ago 15
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump.I said, "Don't do it!"He said,"Nobody loves me."I said, "God loves you.Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes."I said,"Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said,"Protestant." I said,"Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist."I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me,too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?
MrProtuber 1 month ago 13
He's jus a Poe of course
MrProtuber 1 month ago
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MrProtuber 1 month ago 3
@MrProtuber who are you referring to?
TheJollynerd 1 month ago
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MrProtuber 1 month ago
@TheJollynerd Well or just to save you time i am referring to this moron ------>@Recordbhoy
MrProtuber 1 month ago
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MrProtuber 1 month ago
Religion consistently gets in the way of human progress by impassioning its followers. Passion begets violence, ignorance, hate, and is more often than not unproductive. If God intended to help people with religion he most certainly has done a poor job.
redarrowhead2 1 month ago
@redarrowhead2 Utter bollux ..I don't know a single Christian who is violent to anyone ..Every thug on earth is as far from God as you are
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy
Anecdotal evidence is childish in the extreme.
Are you claiming that because you don't know any violent Christians then therefore Christians are not violent? In fact, in studies the opposite has proven to be true.
In fact, there was a report that midnight mass in the UK there was a brawl in a church! Does this anecdote prove the opposite? No.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@seansalvador1 You moron ..Midnight mass was packed to the rafters where I am ..and not a scuffle in sight ..just good hearted warmth ..multiply that in every single church in the world ..of all faiths ...What an imbecile you must be >
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy
Moron? Can't you read? I said "Does this anecdote prove the opposite? No"
It's right there... i even explicitly stated that anecdote is not evidence of anything and that was the ENTIRE point of my comment! Moron indeed.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@seansalvador1 Yet you use anecdotal evidence to denounce faith in God . A muslim terrorist blows himself up ..hundreds of millions of muslims are terrorists ...a priest abuses a kid , every priest is an abuser ..Your entire thought process and your entire God hating ? Christian hating agenda is governed by anecdotal evidence ..Moron ( and hypocritical one at that )
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy "Yet you use anecdotal evidence to denounce faith in God"
... ?
I'm astonished!
Read this again, this is the second time i have copy pasted directly from my comment - "Does this anecdote prove the opposite? No"
Can you read that? I said NO.
N. O.
No.
Cont...
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy "A muslim terrorist blows himself up ..hundreds of millions of muslims are terrorists"
I never said anything like this. I have never said anything like this. Do you like putting ridiculous words into the mouths of others and then berating them for those idiot words they never said?
Idiot.
Cont...
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy "a priest abuses a kid , every priest is an abuser ..Your entire thought process and your entire God hating ?"
Again, i never have and never will say anything like this. As i have already said, my whole entire first comment was a rejection of the logical fallacy that is the use of anecdote as evidence.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@seansalvador1 Every atheist on earth uses anecdotal evidence ( in essence , because it is all they have ..even resorting to the Crusades 1000 years ago ..One muppet here even blamed WW2 on the RC church, even Hitchens in this video is doing it ) ..If you deny this , then you are contradicting every single one of your fellow atheists in this thread ,,
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy
No, he is talking about the complacency of the church during WW2, not that they caused it!
"Every atheist on earth uses anecdotal evidence ( in essence , because it is all they have ..even resorting to the Crusades 1000"
All they have in what way? It is your burden to prove your claims, not mine to disprove them. I have never mentioned the crusades... you did, just now. So what are you talking about?
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@seansalvador1 It is not the churches job to fight war .In fact the world was plunged into war BECAUSE of sin and Godlessness .they were not complacent in anything ..they are there to preach the word of Christ ..you're an idiot ..Is not my burden in any way whatsoever to prove any thing whatsoever to you ..You prove to me that God does not exist ..that is your burden .. As for the crusades ..every atheist clings to it ..you would have got there eventually
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy
What are you talking about it's not their job? I never said it was or even hinted such nonsense. You love to fight straw men don't you? I said they were complacent.
They never condemned Hitler and they celebrated his birthday every year.
Res ipsa loquitur.
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seansalvador1 1 month ago 3
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@Recordbhoy "Is not my burden in any way whatsoever to prove any thing whatsoever to you ..You prove to me that God does not exist ..that is your burden"
This is a logical fallacy called the demand for negative evidence. Do you say that if i cannot disprove unicorns then they must exist? No, because it is illogical to do so.
I have already explained that it is theists who are making an ontologically positive claim.
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Recordbhoy 1 month ago
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@seansalvador1 No , the logical fallacy ( I am so bored with that YT sound bite ..haven't you got anything original ) is that I should be required to produce God ( on a YT post no less ) ....And hiding behind unicorns doesn't work either .God exists , he is beyond man and all his perceptions.You wouldn't know evidence of God if it hit you like a meteor ...you have no idea of your insignificance ..and you demand that God justify himself to a microbe like you ..who on earth do you think you are
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
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@Recordbhoy "No , the logical fallacy ( I am so bored with that YT sound bite ..haven't you got anything original )"
Sorry?! Something is either logical or illogical, it is not a soundbite to point out your error!
"God exists , he is beyond man and all his perceptions"
Because you say so?
Evidence please, evidence.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy "As for the crusades ..every atheist clings to it ..you would have got there eventually "
I have not mentioned it once and need not do so. You have mentioned it twice... so it seems you have a hang up on your religions past history of ethnic cleansing.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@seansalvador1 I never mention the crusades either ..they are irrelevant .I was making a point ..The church was not complacent ..by that reasoning America and the rest of the world were complacent ..do you hate the Swiss because the did nothing either ..of course not ..they weren't priests ..I repeat , it is not the churches job to fight the German army ..are you really this stupid ?
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy
PS:
Let's not forget that you seem to have a hard-on for calling non-believers (atheists) fools in every variation of the word.
So you condemn people in more ways than one just for not believing the ludicrous without evidence (being an honest skeptic).
You condemn them as fools (what you accuse me of) AND you condemn them to hell.
Heheheh... oh irony, mother of all comedy.
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy "The church was not complacent ..by that reasoning America and the rest of the world were complacent"
The USA fought the Nazi's...
The Reichskonkordat gave moral legitimacy to the Nazi regime, in German-occupied countries Hitler's birthday was celebrated every year as a holy day!
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@seansalvador1 The usa came in eventually , for self interest , ( we finally just paid them off ) .As regards Hitlers birthday , so what ..Hitler was loved by everyone in Germany , you speak with hindsight , and if they didn't " declare a holy day " ( despite what they inwardly thought ) ..so what ! Hitler would still have invaded Poland , the church was still powerless , and God still exists ..You talk utter garbage mate ..talk about clutching at straws ..desperate to blame the innocent
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy "Hitler would still have invaded Poland , the church was still powerless"
But that's not what i said, i never even hinted that they could have stopped the war, nor did i even hint at them having power, i said they were complacent and even complicit!
You can only fight against your straw men, you put words into my mouth and then fight against those words that i have not spoken. It's cowardly.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy
The burden of proof always rests with those making ontologically positive claims, and while the claim "there exists no god" is semantically positive, the claim "there exists a god" is both semantically and ontologically positive. This burden of yours is compounded by the fact that atheism only means to lack belief in a god, so necessitates no claims whatsoever.
The burden rests solidly with theists.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@seansalvador1 Bullshit . I can say there is aliens near here ..Whether I can prove it or not is irrelevant ..if they are there , they are there ..There is NO burden on me to provide ANYTHING .And you are a liar when you say Atheism makes no claims ..you claim categorically that there is no God .if you know this ..prove it ! What you want is me to write volumes while you sit on your arse ..NO !! I will not do your legwork ..God exists , he is beyond man's perception , know this or perish
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
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@Recordbhoy
"There is NO burden on me to provide ANYTHING"
If you want people to believe you then there indeed is a burden on you to prove your claim.
"you say Atheism makes no claims ..you claim categorically that there is no God"
No i do not, i simply do not believe it in light of the lack of any evidence whatsoever.
I lack your faith.
"you claim categorically that there is no God [ ] prove it"
Again, this is the logcal fallacy of the demand for negative evidence.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy "NO !! I will not do your legwork ..God exists , he is beyond man's perception , know this or perish "
Because you say so. Right. The Hindu's say different and they also offer no evidence, why do you not believe them?
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@seansalvador1 "The Hindu's say different " so what ! Take that argument up with a hindu ..and nothing is more hopeless than your philosophy of despair ..thank God it's a lie . I wonder if you watched your parents die, or you child , and whispered in their ear " goodbye , you'll be nothing but worm food soon and I'll never see you again " Yes , that would be wonderful for them to hear , so enlightening , without a crumb of despair ? Can you grasp the magnitude of your stupidity ?
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy
"your philosophy of despair" "whispered in their ear " goodbye , you'll be nothing but worm food soon"
Again, you cannot form an argument against mine so you simply make your own argument to fight by putting words in my mouth. This is cowardice.
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@seansalvador1 Bullshit , I expose your philosophy of despair ..just like your God Hitchens felt on his last moments . How can a church be complicit , they are there to teach Christ, nothing else .If fools like you would listen, there would be no wars ..ever ..I put words into your mouth all right ..truth ..for the first time ( and I repeat , take hinduism up with a hindu ..stop dragging others into your losing battle )
Recordbhoy 1 month ago
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@Recordbhoy "I expose your philosophy of despair"
You haven't even elicited my opinion on philosophy...
"How can a church be complicit , they are there to teach Christ, nothing else"
I've already told you how without refutation so i will take it as a concession that you ignore me and simply reassert your bare assertion.
"and I repeat , take hinduism up with a hindu"
You're just not getting this point are you?
Read my words again.
Slowly.
*Dunning-Kruger effect*
seansalvador1 1 month ago
@Recordbhoy
Losing battle my ass. Christopher Hitchens is dead and still speaks more sense then you ever will. I can't believe a person can feel so sorry for themselves as to say that there must be a God because I don't want to die and then not exist, grow up.
xHouseyx 1 month ago
@xHouseyx
What do you believe is Hitchens' best argument to rationalize the Atheist faith that inanimate matter is creator of life, and the universe created itself from nothing?
onefodderunit 1 month ago
@onefodderunit
I don't believe Hitchens is the expert in these matters. Although if you search for , "A universe from nothing by Lawrence Krauss AAI 2009"
But it doesn't matter if we know or not, you can't probably tell me what you did exactly 24 hours from now with any precision yet you want us to look back 13.72 billon years and your wondering why we haven't yet found a definite answer.
If you had to prove everything that didn't exist, you would spend the rest of your life wasting your time.
xHouseyx 1 month ago
@xHouseyx
You can't think of one decent rationalization Hitchens made for the Atheist faith that the universe created itself and that inanimate matter created life? Neither can I. He made his gas sound eloquent but it had no substance.
onefodderunit 1 month ago
@onefodderunit don't ask for Hitchen when arguing about origins of life, you should ask for Dawkins, Einstein or Hawking, btw you should look up for Miller-Urey Experiment and Monsignor Georges Lemaitre
MrProtuber 1 month ago
@MrProtuber
Miller-Urey produced amino acids in a lab in 1953 using devices including an arc-n-spark and a cold trap to isolate the formations from being destroyed by the unnatural atmosphere they used consisting of ammonia and methane.
You're not one of these Atheist idiots who parrots: 'Amino acids are the building blocks of life.', are you? Life is not a structure. Life is a force.
Atheism is Orthodox Rejection of Intelligence, the only designer/creator.
onefodderunit 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit you're not one of these creationist idiots who parrots: "Earth is about 4,000" years old or "Adam and Eve were the first spiritually aware humans" or dinosaurs were wiped out by the Flood are you?
MrProtuber 4 weeks ago
@MrProtuber
I'm not religious. Intelligence is the only designer/creator.
It's not a matter of Atheism vs. Religion. It's Atheism vs. Intelligence.
Are you capable of being honest enough to admit your Atheist faith that inanimate matter created life is 100% faith based?
onefodderunit 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Is there evidence for your hypothesis ?
MrProtuber 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit I laughed at this thanks :) hope you get well soon
JimothyMcgee 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Nothing can create itself, You a bit small minded to think the universe is everything. If you watched the video I suggested you search for you would know it is possible for the universe to come from nothing due to quantum fluctuations of nothing, The total energy in the universe is 0, that's a proven fact and to stand to the conservation of energy God would have had to have done nothing to create it, otherwise it would maintain some energy. One word, Abiogenesis.
xHouseyx 1 month ago
@xHouseyx wrote: "One word, Abiogenesis."
Dictionary definition for Abiogenesis: "the now discredited theory that living organisms can arise spontaneously from inanimate matter; spontaneous generation." <<<<
you wrote: "The total energy in the universe is 0"
You are an Atheist idiot. Energy is infinite. What do you believe are its limits?
onefodderunit 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Energy is not infinite. Watch the video I mentioned and you will understand a lot more /watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo.
That's a fact I know, However, not having too much of an interest in biology I don't have such a good understanding of abiogenesis so won't argue that, but would that then give you the right to assume God must exist. What s infinite is the number of other possibilities people could come up with, why aren't they then true.
Your logic is flawed.
xHouseyx 4 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
Don't tell me to watch a video for something you're too stupid to express on your own, Atheist. You claim energy is finite. Define what you believe to be its limitations then.
onefodderunit 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Energy must be conserved so cannot be created. To get electricity from burning fossil fuels for example does not create energy, but simply converts the chemical energy into electrical with some lost as heat light and maybe some other forms of energy.
The video is an hour long and addresses from a basic understanding how we can show a universe coming from nothing, I have 500 characters and don't feel like I could do it justice.
xHouseyx 4 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
You claimed that energy is finite. You should be able to define what you believe to be its limitations in less than 200 characters.
You can't begin to rationalize the Atheist faith that inanimate matter created life, and human consciousness. If rationalizing the Atheist Orthodox Rejection of Intelligence in creation of the universe were important to you, you'd try harder than just telling people to go watch a video.
Maybe you're not really that committed to Atheism.
onefodderunit 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
The overall energy is 0 and always will be 0. I suppose energy could be considered infinite although with an infinite negative energy to conserve it. But I'm not sure what you getting at, to "disprove" atheism would simply be to prove the existence of God. I rationalise my understanding that God does not exist by one, looking at the lack of evidence to support a God, and then considering the affects if there were a God. It's very simple.
xHouseyx 4 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
Energy is infinite, that is why you can't define its origin or its limitations. You listened to someone seem to rationalize what you wish to believe, and in your Atheist Orthodox Rejection of Intelligence, you accepted it without thinking about it.
You're gullible enough to believe inanimate matter is your creator. Atheism is right for you.
onefodderunit 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit You are arrogant and foolish enough to disregard that a creator would have to create himself or be created by another creator. If those are plausible to you then I point you to the argument from infinite regress.
MrPerfectMeme 4 weeks ago
@MrPerfectMeme
Consciousness is electric energy and it is infinite. Cling to your Atheist faith that inanimate matter is your creator, if you're not geared for spiritual evolution. Perhaps next lifetime.
onefodderunit 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit I don't think this "electric energy" will survive when the universe collapses in about 10 billion years.
UpoundBUTTS 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Atheism is the non belief that there is deities. Lack of evidence for religious beliefs allows me to make justifiable claims, justified by the shear improbability that science would have found no evidence for a God and even in religion itself. The probability that your religion out of the many religions is the right one is improbable.
xHouseyx 4 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
You're of the asinine Atheist faith that life is a freak consequence of a primordial chemical reaction. If you believe life was never intended, you should discontinue your pointless, selfish daily consumption and defecation of nature, take command of your perceived inevitable faith and get out. The fact that Atheists believe life is unintended, but aren't volunteering to relieve nature of their burden by checking out early, is evidence of selfishness greed, and fearfulness.
onefodderunit 4 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Why must something beautifully improbable be seen as a bad thing. If anything it's better then any religious belief, the idea of eternal torture is not a pleasant, and I mean heaven and hell, living for eternity would be horrific.
Carl Sagan
"We are a way for the cosmos to know itself."
I find that more entrancing then anything in the Bible.
xHouseyx 4 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
If you're gullible enough to believe inanimate matter created life, it's no surprise that you're also easily entranced.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
God doesn't exist so it's no surprise that this video has 723 likes versus 13 dislikes and your getting your faith destroyed by atheists by being so obnoxious.
xHouseyx 3 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
You feel that the likes/dislikes ratio on a youtube video is validation for your ridiculous faith that inanimate matter created life?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
No I was showing how your statement was flawed by changing the aspects mentioned and making you discredit it.
So you know EXACTLY how life was created? Just because we don't know something doesn't mean you can pick one explanation out of an infinitely possible number of explanations and say it's therefore right.
xHouseyx 3 weeks ago
@xHouseyx writes: "So you know EXACTLY how life was created?"
How Atheistically dishonest. No, I do not know how life was created. But I do know that it is not a creation of a mythical, primordial chemical coincidence, as per the asinine Atheist faith.
Intelligence is creative. Inanimate matter is not. Inanimate matter did not create intelligence. It takes an Atheist to believe it could.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
Explain AI to me.
xHouseyx 3 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
AI - another example of a design/creation by intelligence. Intelligence comes from intelligence. It requires a little intelligence to figure that out, Atheist.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit
But it is inanimate matter being intelligent, so although I don't believe that the universe is intelligent design, matter can act intelligent due to the laws of physics.
xHouseyx 3 weeks ago
@xHouseyx
Consciousness is observable in electromagnetic brain waves. That is not related to your asinine faith that life is a creation of inanimate matter. You're being Atheistically absurd.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Intelligent design made the SARS or AIDS?.... Because it is Intelligent Design or Evolution you cannot mix them up. So if evolution which is a theory ( i hope you know what theory means) (not an opinion or hypothesis as many people think)So if the newest branch of creationism is the answer therefore Intelligent design is also the responsible of cancer, aids and Sars? or how you explain that? who created those? because those are very complexed organisms. Who is the designer?
MrProtuber 3 weeks ago
@MrProtuber
If you create something that is incomprehensible to some people, that means you don't exist?
Rationalize your idiotic Atheist faith that inanimate matter is the creator of life.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit mmm you didn't answer my question..You just repeat your rant about "inanimate matter creator of life" So my question again ..Is cancer, Aids and Sars part of the intelligent design? yes or no?
MrProtuber 3 weeks ago
@MrProtuber
The origin of viruses is unknown. You didn't understand the answer you were given because your are an Atheist idiot.
Because you don't comprehend the reason there is suffering in life, is not evidence that inanimate matter created life.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit lol..i rest my case. Ha going around questions is not an answer. So the origin of viruses is unknown uh? Why is unknown? there must be a designer... lol You're the idiot. Now go watch Ray Comfort and his videos about Bananas proving intelligent design.Have fun with your hypothesis. Am waiting for Intelligent Design to revoke theory status of evolution.. Just one proven fact against evolution just one and it's over for Darwin's theory.So why it's taking you idiots so long?
MrProtuber 3 weeks ago
@MrProtuber
Are you even aware your asinine Atheist faith that life is a creation of inanimate matter has never been a scientific theory? Inanimate matter isn't creative, idiot. Intelligence is.
It should be changed from Atheism to Asininism.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Yeah yeah moron, i rest my case i said. Ad hominem idiot. You can't even answer a simple question you just repeat the same rant again and again. So moron who created the designer? is the designer a god/? alien? a time traveller? can you answer that without your shitty pomposity going around questions...
MrProtuber 3 weeks ago
@MrProtuber
There is no debate that intelligence designs/creates.
You can't begin to rationalize your rejection of intelligence for faith that inanimate matter is your creator. You lie to yourself and tell yourself that your faith
is scientific. Your idiocy is self imposed and self evident.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit Where's the proof to your claim?you don't understand how something began so therefore there most be a designer? lol what's intelligence? what's a design? it's just pathetic the way Creationism/religion tries to make a comeback under ID. You need undeniable proof to say a claim is undebeatable. where's the undeniable proof for your pseudo scientific hypothesis? How intelligent is that human genetic code, that vast majority identical to that of chimps and other primates,
MrProtuber 3 weeks ago
@MrProtuber
You believe you're a primate? Would you have any objection to your mother/sister/daughter getting bedded by a charming chimpanzee?
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
@onefodderunit No no! Now i know! it's all a big conspiracy lead by SATAN! you're a joke. I def. rest my case on this one.
MrProtuber 3 weeks ago
@MrProtuber
Yes, or No - would you be upset if your primate mother/sister/daughter fell in love with a chimpanzee?
The Atheist faith that inanimate is creator of life is a joke which everyone, except Atheists, gets.
onefodderunit 3 weeks ago
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MrProtuber 3 weeks ago
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@onefodderunit lol! So you deny humans genome studies.. lol It's funny how you just go around and around questions with your repetive and only pseudo argument "The Atheist faith that inanimate is creator of life..." The Atheist faith that inanimate is creator of life".... Get out of here Mr ad Hominem...
MrProtuber 3 weeks ago 3
@MrProtuber
(edit) . . . . Atheist faith that inanimate matter is creator of life . . .