All these good points and valid interpretations are from the Apara perspective. However, little regarding the Para is addressed here.
Moreover, this is not the only show in town in regard to intelligent interpretations of Tarot. Research Joseph P. Farrell PhD., here on Youtube, specifically his work entitled "The Philosopher's Stone." Clark Heinrich also did some excellent research into Alchemy and entheogens that is well worth your time to investigate.
generalizations about what tarot is, as if you could ever tell anyone what they can or can't do. Tarot is a bunch of archetypal images, and when people see them, or understand the symbolism behind what they see, it might make them think about themselves. this is little different that the kind of work a jungian psychologist does. It is not divine. it is not "messages" it is merely a beautiful way to gain a little perspective about yourself. but what can i do.
1) As TrionfiTarot has pointed out, I am far from a tarot hater - I take great pleasure from the cards both as a game and an artistic subject, with a growing collection of cards from both game play and the occult. Game play however, is the only practice that has any claim to tarot's original purpose based upon the evidence.
I also care a great deal for truth and for ethics, perfectly legitimate concerns that motivate many of my posts.
2) You suggest that I and others make generalizations about what tarot is - but this is far from the case. My principle interest is in the actual history of the cards and the use for which they were origially intended - games.
Regarding more recent uses of tarot, I have never made generalizations, recognizing the plethora of uses - including the meditative ones that you mention. You will find these and others mentioned in my films.
3) Regarding such practices as divination, and even the use of tarot for psychology, there is good and fair reson to critically examine them - as much as we might examine any claims for any therapy or medicine. If these things work, then all is well and good - but if they don't, then the claims have the potential to do much harm. There is therefore a moral imperative to pursue such claims and properly test them against observation and reason.
4) Finally, I do have a good and sound understanding of what science is as a rigorous methodology for acquiring empirical knowledge. When people say that science makes claims, you must be aware that it is not intended literally! All they refer to is what the established body of scientific observation concludes to be the case.
And nobody is claiming to speak for science. They claim only to know about it.
5) One last note - if what you want to do is use tarot cards as a "way to gain a little perspective about yourself", then that's just fine by me. If you can find anywhere that I have attacked that use in principle or said that people shouldn't use the cards that way, then please, do bring it to my attention. I have no recollection of saying such a thing.
that you don't believe in? are you do ego driven that you can't separate out what i think from reality? as long as other people think differently then you about anything you must charge in with your facts and your magnanimous manner. You claim to speak for "science" as if "science" ever claimed anything. i think you are forgetting that "science" is not a thing, but a practice. you speak of science as if it is some all-knowing person. look up the word in a fucking dictionary. You also are making
a message to all you haters (particularly mr simmons8 and ANIideas) : why do you do this to yourselves? you obviously care nothing for tarot, yet you post comments on a tarot video. Don't watch this if you don't like it. why do you have to patronize and belittle other people for engaging in activities you don't like? are you a bunch of fascists? do you have to have control over what other people think? i really think you should think about why you do things like get all worked up over something
@cmcclorey I know for a fact that ANIideas cares a lot for Tarot, as a family of card games. Tarot was initially created for game playing and it's still used for gaming in European countries. There is a school of thought on the Tarot, that it's time for game players to reclaim it. I share this thinking because I feel that the typecasting of Tarot as a divinatory art is harming the ability of these cards to become more fully a part of our culture. Tarot game players are not anti-Tarot.
i don't know about empirical. the claims that can be made with tarot (i don't know about other divinatory means) are as empirical as those can be made by psychoanalysis. how 'testable' are these things? My point about it 'not being a science' is exactly that it cannot be put under any kind of scientific examination, because experiments liken simple situations to complex ones. you can't have a scientific experiment, because you can't simplify the situation. tarot deals with 'Big Picture'.
.... this doesn't mean, howevr, that a scientifically minded individual can't objectively say: this is accurate to this degree, this to another degree, etc. The reason i say it's not a science, is that it _doesn't_ predict anything (not really) to say a certain situation might be around the bend is not in the cards, it's in my analysis of the current situation (made clearer by the cards). perhaps my disagreement, is only in terminology. i ask, can emotions be gauged empirically? scientifically?
Psychoanalysis is not, as you seem to suggest, a science because most of its claims are not testable - and it is worth noting that in terms of efficacy, it does not do better than alternatives, such as Jungian treatments. There have been moves to redefine it as a philosophy but there again it is attacked for being a closed system with some dubious practices. Again, I see no analogy here. The product of psychoanalysis is intended to be treatment, that of divination is rather different...
...Divination is the acquisition of knowledge of either the past, present, or future, from the divine - or in modern parlance, the 'supernatural'. The product of the practice then is knowledge about the world - and that is empirical and the proper subject of science. If a truth claim is not testable, either by reason or observation, then it is specious. Given your new statements about emotions, perhaps you are using the word 'divination' in a differently to the common sense...
...you mention your 'analysis of the current situation' and so I am wondering if what you mean by divination is perhaps some kind of meditative introspection. In which case, knowledge is not being acquired and the only role of the tarot cards is a focus for that meditation. Such a claim would be far from supernatural, but rather mundane and uncontroversial.
@ANIideas- Close. i certainly don't like that definition of divination, mostly because i don't believe in the 'supernatural'. at least none that we can interact with on any level. There are certain meditative excercizes one can do with the tarot, but i assume we were discussing readings and the likes. But there is some truth to it being a kind of introspection. The theory, is that we know more than we think we do, new knowledge is acquired every nano second, by the billions of bits... but
most of it we ignore, or cannot make sense of. Also, 'knowledge' as opposed to 'information' (i meant info above, mb)can be acquired even when no new information is recieved, can ti not? So even if it were _entirely_ introspection it wouldn't necessarily need be a passive kind of practice. regardless, i don't so much mind the tarot being likened to 'treatment' so long as it is understood it's not to treat any mental ailments, or afflictions, neither to simply give hope (as some say) but to
give insights to the 'sitter' that he/she may not have (even not been able to have) gleened on his/her own. Is this 'treatment'? Of a sort i suppose. I tend to consider it more of a noetic critique. Which is much like art critique (which i'm sure you'd agree) isn't a science, tho no one would dare say it is unsceintific. (by the by, are we now testing by reason?)
I'd just like to point out that the Tarot is a divination system, and divination is defined as "The practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means" Discovering hidden knowledge (IE delving into the subconscious) is talked about alot in Jungian Psychology (Jung himself studied the i Ching) so it's alot more than just fortune telling.
He uses a lot of references to try and give it substance but in reality tarrot cards were used by people in the past that didn't know what a germ was, or a star, or an atom etc. All you have to do to prove if this has substance is to do a reading, then repeat it. The cards should come out exactly the same as the first reading. If it doesn't, it random.
That's not true, little man. A different reading can merely speak to a different set of past/present/future conditions. So instead of entirely disrespecting a mystical medium without any real knowledge of its inner workings because you think you understand the universe already I recommend removing all the certainties from your mentality. Certainties are one of the key diseases of Christians yet you, probably not a Christian, exhibit the same disease. Funny life is.
"Mystical Medium?" Are you kidding? Tarot cards originated as a regular card game and didn't have anything to do with any mysticism until very recently. You tell me how a piece of paper with a picture on it tells your future? All you have to do is prove that it works and the JREF will pay you one million dollars, I'm guessing you won't take the challenge. Any mystical reference to tarot is just man made as it was and is, just a regular card game. You are so easily fooled.
As as you, "fooled" that is. Get our of the corner you put yourself in and listen to what he says. It's about higher thought. And as far as history goes, you made the game and where there when MB published it? Or where you one of the clergey 100's years ago killing people over as you put it a "regular cards game" if it was just a game why did someone Many people life in fear and die horrific deaths at the hands of so called Christ lovers? Jesus loves and the Church hates you.
With your limited knowledge of the passage of time, the 18th century is not a long time ago. Actually, the late 18th century to be precise. Prove it works, that's all you have to do. Random cards, random interpretations. Easy to fool someone that wants it to be true.
Thats like 300 years ago. How can i take you seriously if you cant admit when your clearly wrong. Easy to be completely skeptical when you ARE a fool.
You are clearly one of the 10 per cent of the population that is fantasy prone. Tarot is as credible as the horoscope in your local paper. Have a reading done, get one set of answers. Repeat, get a different set of answers. Repeat, get a different set of answers again. Random cards mean nothing. Prove it works. Better yet, get to a library and read about the naivety of the human species.
How do you expect somone to prove something that is entirely spiritual? Either you believe it or you don't and you clearly don't. Futhermore why do look up these videos and post here? Obviously your opinions are going to go against many who watch these videos because they're genuinely interested in the subject. Have to get your daily dose of youtube bitching before your satisfied, is that it? Your cleary one if the 10 per cent of the poplulation that is 'enjoys stirring the shit prone'.
You speak as though you are not a human. I can't prove it always does work, you can't prove it never does work. Same with Horoscopes and the concept of hypnotism. They work as well as you believe they do. I don't believe them to be divine but I don't know for certain they aren't. Oh and 100% of the population is fantasy prone my friend.
I don't like to be pedantic but it is not "like 300 years ago", it is only a little over 200 years. Tarot games have of course been with us for more than 560 years now. If you read much history, then 200 years won't strike you as very long - and most of the modern development took place over just the last 100 years.
Genesimmons8 is asking for evidence that divination works - that is not foolish, it is very reasonable. If you have that evidence, Mr James Randi has a million dollars for you.
And you, why don't you explain to me why the universe was brought into existance and also show me that you know everything there is within the nature of physics and metaphysics and that there is without a shadow of a doubt no possibility for divination and then I'll give YOU a million dollars you patronising ass.
Divination is what we call an extraordinary claim - hence it must carry the burden of proof. We say that it is extraordinary because it has not been demonstrated, despite many attempts, under controlled conditions, it is contrary to what we presently know about physics, and in particular divination of the future falls into logical problems of the necessity of events and of course, paradox.
I take it you won't be claiming that million dollars then?
...and difficult to show 'proofs' to those who refuse to see them. I think you start at a disadvantage, in thinking the purpose of the tarot, is one, when it is actually another. There's 'random' and "random". If you can show me proofs in anything besides math, i'll show you proofs in the tarot.
Of course, science does not provide the same proofs we find in mathematics.Science is empirical and is open to revision - its methodologies do provide us with the means to test and falsify claims.
All extraordinary claims start at a disadvantage, be they tarot reading, cold fusion (found false), or bacteria caused stomach ulcers (found true). Tarot is given equal treatment in this. If you want special treatment, make a special case.
i know what you're talking about, despite how i might sound in this particular nether-region of the interwebz, i am scientifically minded. i don't know how 'accurate' the tarot is, i know only that i've been right, and i've been wrong, and to what extent. read the diaries of any shamen, magi, and templi, and you'll know how i think. I donnot presume the validity of the tarot to be 'extraordinary' to begin with. I know only that for me, it has worked a gem.
The problem is that the subjective evaluation of such data is demonstrably unreliable, which is why science cannot accept it as a foundation for knowledge and why scientific experiment is based upon objectivity.
I know that it sounds harsh, but any truth claim, be it rational or empirical, must be testable against the claim that it is false, through reason or observation. If it is not - and we can all formulate any number of such claims - then it is specious.
It's worse than that... it's not unreliable, because there is no such 'data'. Because it's subjective, it's not objectively 'verifiable'! What i'm saying, is that it's not a science... it never claimed to be. at best, it's an art, a craft of sorts. But this doesn't mean it can't have its value. the closest science to which it can be likened, is genetics. You can't predict what the child of two people will look/act/feel like, but you can describe (post hoc) why they look/act a certain way.
I am not claiming that divination is itself a science (though that claim has often been made by its practitioners).
Whatever you wish to call the practice of divination, its products are empirical claims, be they about the past, present, or future - as such, it is the proper subject of empirical study and evaluation, of science!
I see no analogy with the science of genetics. Persons, their feelings, beliefs, and behaviours, are not the sole product of genes and so, in principle there is a limit to what our understanding of them can be used to predict. But we can and do make predictions based upon them, predictions that are subject to scientific scrutiny and testing.
"persons, their feelings, beliefs, and behaviours, are not the sole product of genes...." that was sort of my point.
"there is a limit to what our understanding [...can...] predict" very true. also applicable to the tarot.
"...predictions that are subject to scientific scrutiny and testing." tarot is actually not so different. It's only the method of testing that changes. but one need not be 'unscientific' in doing so....
Perhaps I have failed to understand your meaning at some point because your position seems no longer clear or consistent.
You seem to be accepting that tarot does make empirical claims and that they are therefore the subject of scientific examination.
The point that some of us are making is that tarot reading, along with other divinatory methods, despite considerable attention, have failed to be demonstrated under scientific conditions - to the point that is unreasonable to accept them.
I'd just like to know who is in charge of what cards turn up? What force controls that? Remember that Tarot was "Made up" by humans and humans never fool themseves do they.
of course humans fool themselves. and no one would dispute that you might misread the cards, or even read into what you want instead of what is there. the fact is, tarot deals with people, and peole are complex... add into that, interactions which are immensly _more_ complex, etc.. This leads to the need for intuition, hunches, and general picture forming, which in all sincerity doesn't follow any precise science. 'who is in charge...' tho, is a very loaded question, and i doubt you'd like
the answer, but here it is: the same 'whoever' that makes you do the things you do during the course of a day... a month... a year. It's the chaotic order of nature... causality. Why that chaos should be reflected in the cards that wind up on the table, well, that's common sense (i should think) since nothing is distinct from this force (this 'who'[?]). anyways, that's the best way i can put it.
xPythox, reading your post brings the words "kettle, black, and pot" to mind. Without a logical argument or the scientific evidence Genesimmons8 has challenged you for, it is your belief in divination that is an article of faith. Funny life is, er!
The cards won't come exactly the same way, it is almost impossible. Although the interpretation of the new spread most likely would be different, if done skillfully it will be just as valid as the previous one.
I do not believe in divination nor the paranormal. Tarot taps into the mind of people. If done correctly, the mind will find links and relationships that the Tarot helped to achieve.
@Genesimmons The reading of cards fall in the hands of the interpreter not the actual cards themselves. One card will mean one thing to one reader and another to another person. Life isnt black and white and neither is divination. We all have free will. You can use rocks to do divination. Its not the item being used but the skill of the interpreter!
@DRDNIBOY Divination either works or it doesn't work, so yes, it IS black or white. If the results are not repeatable and only open to interpretation then this so called science is useless and doesn't work. Why believe in the absurd? Do you actually thin a rock is going to give you insight into the future? The human species has not progresed past dark age thinking.
@DRDNIBOY I do so totally agree with you! It relies upon to ability the reader has to open their own minds and the insight they recieve from spirit. In other words: Divination is a personal gift!
@Genesimmons8 Its not physics. Therefore it requires interpretation by something with a mind and a heart. Only dead matter repeats itself exactly. Nothing intelligent or alive ever does. Wake up and smell the roses, get your eyes out of the cof fin and into the living world of reality. Then you may find that living things have rights which dead things don't. This is why we have more respect for nature than we do for lead weights whose behavior is predictable and repeatable.
@Genesimmons8 Its not physics. Therefore it requires interpretation by something with a mind and a heart. Only dead matter repeats itself exactly. Nothing intelligent or alive ever does. Wake up and smell the roses, get your eyes out of the cof fin and into the living world of reality. Then you may find that living things have rights which dead things don't. This is why we have more respect for nature than we do for lead weights whose behavior is predictable and repeatable.
@Genesimmons8 These cards are scarily accurate. I've had about five readings over the years, and everything predicted came true...and they were not vague, but bery specific.
If the cards don't come out the same, it may be that the meaning is the same, or there is additional information to be added to the first reading.
@iqfrenzy Given enough time, all predictions will eventually come true. The one thing you are missing is that if the cards "don't come out the same", It could also mean that it's completely random and does not work.
@Genesimmons8 Really? Predictions of a court case that would last years, have terrible repercusions on my entire life, that I would be put in jail on account of it...and all of this when I had never had any kind of problem with the law before? I actually laughed at that. That I would meet a dark-haired man i would fall in love with who would take me out-of-state only to abandon me there within 6 months? After that first reading, I didn't think of the read again, until it actually happened.
@Genesimmons8 The reading said I would meet the man within six months, but it was actually much quicker...2 weeks. The thing about it is, that was the first reading I ever had, and I thought it was just a fun thing to do...I didn't take it seriously, and after the reading was done I never thought about it again until well AFTER what was predicted came true.
It was predicted I would get pregnant, even though doctors had told me that couldn't happen...and guess what? I did.
@Genesimmons8 This is true. Also the character types are so universal that anyone can find elements of their own lives in them. However, I think there is value in studying systems of symbolism to better understand the human mind, and ultimately, the self.
Mostly it's a tool for introspection and reflection. Much like reading revelations and trying to decide if you are ready, where you fall when called and basically overall if you have your $#!+ together.
Without applying any more importance to it then that, it does make a very interesting tool. Yes, the readings can apply to many different situations that occur daily... but then so do many other things. Biblical readings are often made totally out of context to relate daily life.
@PaleHearse It's funny that you shd mention the Bible -- I've been using the Gustav Dore illustrations, just opening randomly to pages, for the same kinds of free-association games. Just abt any kinds of symbolism will work. It's very hard to sneak up on your own mind, which is what makes this kind of "random access" to the unconscious so potentially effective.
Basically I mentioned it because many christians take the position that their religion is somehow "different" from any other and that they are above all this mysticism. Fact remains that not only are they NOT isolated from the mystic driven interspection, they are some of the prime practitioners of it. They make themselves feel good by not looking at it in the same light, but it's just a tool of human need. If a religion doesn't supply it.. it fails. Thosse that do are timeless.
Tarot isn't magic in the sense of prediction of the actual future. Tarot is about your interpretation of the archetypes to get information on your personal view on life, that may or may be not hidden to you. It is about the unconscious. Thus, if you get different cards each time, you have to interpret their meanings, so you can see different aspects of your past, present, future, or, more accurately, your relationship to these things.
Even if you don't believe in its spiritual nature it is a great way to explore yourself and find self awareness, or work through problems in a balanced way.
Niiic5, you are correct! It shouldn't be an either/or issue. I tend to prefer the card games, myself, but there's no reason for someone not to do both divination and card playing.
I don't think that folk are so much against fortune telling with tarot, any more than they are with tea leaves. However, what drives many comments is that so often misleading or simply false accounts of the cards are given. By all means divine with tarot or tea leaves - but people deserve truths as to their origins.
I am siting a physically reproduceable phenomena of which is documented in "The Secret In The Bible" by Tony Bushby, and also further in "The History and Practice of Magic" by Paul Christian. A beam of light into a 'ben ben' or pyramid capstone will reproduce 'Lamed' and the shadows cast from this produce the 22 glyphs or 'letter's of light' the Taro or ROTA as in rotation or evolution, comes from. I stand correct, and this is well documented, and physically reproduceable.
y the neg reaction to this entry? bushby is a fantastic author..dont know the other but wts wrong w tarot and the bible and such other hypothesis...lighten up fools
Ouch! I hate that he used the Women's Encyclopedia of Myths and Symbols as a reference. The history and facts in that book are so convoluted that it makes me leery to believe any of the information. A stain on an otherwise great presentation.
i love that he brought up alchemy. study sacred geometry to learn more about how that is possible. it has to do with a 90 degree shift. whoa now he's talking about the tree of life. bam !
I would like to hear more about Indian tradition and if you can point books on this subject. Every time when I learn about new cultures, I find the new ways approaching tarot. I also study numerology and astrology - this helps to predict timelines of future events. I also researched various systems of tarot readings and created a new one. I would like to hear what you think of Etteilla system. Good Luck!
Note to Elisabethe, tarot cards used for games are quite different from fortune telling tarot decks. Tarot game decks are often double figured like court cards of standard playing cards. Some Tarot game decks use the hearts, spades, clubs diamonds suits. The Rider or Thoth Tarots are not good ones for game playing.
Yeah... I was trying to see if there was a way to doctor my Rider-Waite cards so they would be suitable to play games with (using markers as seen in the v-blog I posted about it)... didn't work out too well... but I've got some cards heading my way from a company in Japan and from tarock dot net. I'm excited to get them so I can start playing with REAL Tarot cards... not these nonsense fortune teller's cards!
Very insightful. I have been practicing a tarot for over 22 years, so I am more a practitioner. I like that you share your own thoughts and definitely have done a very interesting research.
Aleister Crowleys Thoth Tarot deck made the idea of connecting the 10 sephira of the Kabalah to Tarot popular though the idea was previously also done in the Golden Dawn. Read Crowleys work if you want to learn something about this subject for real as he was infinately more intelligent than all the posters here.
Can use English please.? Not all can understand if important saying about tarot reading. I wish learn more but difficult, can you speak English too. English not first language for me.
that shogix site is in French, and I imagine very few users here can comprehend that language. It would be better to point them to a site about the tarot games in English like (pagat dot com slash tarot) or even better send them to (tarock dot net) where they can pick up both rules for playing tarot and look over cards for gameplay available to order (in English)!
Got it! Thanks for pointing that out Oudler. I also enjoyed those videos you've been posting. It's good to see more people join in helping spread the word of Tarot's true use 'round the You Tubes, yeh! Cheers!
Yeah one of those really serious anti-semites that spend their lives studying the Kabalah. Is there no end to the subjects you no nothing about but still have an (incorrect) opinion on?
Tarot has no historical connections with astrology or Kabbalah. The Tarot deck was created for playing a trick taking card game. Descendents of the original tarot card game are still played in France, Italy, Switzerland, and Austria. Tarot is really for card games, people!
This is part 2: "You become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. Disciplined and controlled on the outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside.:
If your name has an "L" in it read this and contact me (I wrote this about you):"Some of your aspirations tend to be pretty unrealistic. At times you are extroverted, affable, sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary and reserved. You have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. You pride yourself on being an independent thinker and do not accept others' opinions without satisfactory proof. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety."
Great. Love these mini-courses, and you are certainly well-qualified to teach them. Would like more of these videos as they are essential to anyone who uses the Tarot.There is too much misinformation about its history and its origins.
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Definitely, the history of Tarot cards as beautifully illustrated playing cards is a rich and fascinating one. It's kinda' sad how Tarot has been locked down in many ways to the service of divination (which, as you note is merely picture-card aided cold reading).
I think it's why there's so many Rider-Waite clones... people feel that their Tarot card designs won't be worth anything if they don't give them all the "proper" symbolism. In actuality it's not the symbolism of the pictures that they should be paying attention to but rather the usefulness of the cards in game play. Rider-Waite decks' removal of the corner numbers/symbols makes the cards a headache to play with!
All these good points and valid interpretations are from the Apara perspective. However, little regarding the Para is addressed here.
Moreover, this is not the only show in town in regard to intelligent interpretations of Tarot. Research Joseph P. Farrell PhD., here on Youtube, specifically his work entitled "The Philosopher's Stone." Clark Heinrich also did some excellent research into Alchemy and entheogens that is well worth your time to investigate.
I hope this helps.
SororThothma 6 days ago
veda = vedic?
Can you confirm
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
generalizations about what tarot is, as if you could ever tell anyone what they can or can't do. Tarot is a bunch of archetypal images, and when people see them, or understand the symbolism behind what they see, it might make them think about themselves. this is little different that the kind of work a jungian psychologist does. It is not divine. it is not "messages" it is merely a beautiful way to gain a little perspective about yourself. but what can i do.
Haters Gonna Hate.
peace ya'll
cmcclorey 1 year ago
1) As TrionfiTarot has pointed out, I am far from a tarot hater - I take great pleasure from the cards both as a game and an artistic subject, with a growing collection of cards from both game play and the occult. Game play however, is the only practice that has any claim to tarot's original purpose based upon the evidence.
I also care a great deal for truth and for ethics, perfectly legitimate concerns that motivate many of my posts.
ANIideas 1 year ago
2) You suggest that I and others make generalizations about what tarot is - but this is far from the case. My principle interest is in the actual history of the cards and the use for which they were origially intended - games.
Regarding more recent uses of tarot, I have never made generalizations, recognizing the plethora of uses - including the meditative ones that you mention. You will find these and others mentioned in my films.
ANIideas 1 year ago
3) Regarding such practices as divination, and even the use of tarot for psychology, there is good and fair reson to critically examine them - as much as we might examine any claims for any therapy or medicine. If these things work, then all is well and good - but if they don't, then the claims have the potential to do much harm. There is therefore a moral imperative to pursue such claims and properly test them against observation and reason.
ANIideas 1 year ago
4) Finally, I do have a good and sound understanding of what science is as a rigorous methodology for acquiring empirical knowledge. When people say that science makes claims, you must be aware that it is not intended literally! All they refer to is what the established body of scientific observation concludes to be the case.
And nobody is claiming to speak for science. They claim only to know about it.
ANIideas 1 year ago
5) One last note - if what you want to do is use tarot cards as a "way to gain a little perspective about yourself", then that's just fine by me. If you can find anywhere that I have attacked that use in principle or said that people shouldn't use the cards that way, then please, do bring it to my attention. I have no recollection of saying such a thing.
ANIideas 1 year ago
that you don't believe in? are you do ego driven that you can't separate out what i think from reality? as long as other people think differently then you about anything you must charge in with your facts and your magnanimous manner. You claim to speak for "science" as if "science" ever claimed anything. i think you are forgetting that "science" is not a thing, but a practice. you speak of science as if it is some all-knowing person. look up the word in a fucking dictionary. You also are making
cmcclorey 1 year ago
a message to all you haters (particularly mr simmons8 and ANIideas) : why do you do this to yourselves? you obviously care nothing for tarot, yet you post comments on a tarot video. Don't watch this if you don't like it. why do you have to patronize and belittle other people for engaging in activities you don't like? are you a bunch of fascists? do you have to have control over what other people think? i really think you should think about why you do things like get all worked up over something
cmcclorey 1 year ago
@cmcclorey I know for a fact that ANIideas cares a lot for Tarot, as a family of card games. Tarot was initially created for game playing and it's still used for gaming in European countries. There is a school of thought on the Tarot, that it's time for game players to reclaim it. I share this thinking because I feel that the typecasting of Tarot as a divinatory art is harming the ability of these cards to become more fully a part of our culture. Tarot game players are not anti-Tarot.
TrionfiTarot 1 year ago
i don't know about empirical. the claims that can be made with tarot (i don't know about other divinatory means) are as empirical as those can be made by psychoanalysis. how 'testable' are these things? My point about it 'not being a science' is exactly that it cannot be put under any kind of scientific examination, because experiments liken simple situations to complex ones. you can't have a scientific experiment, because you can't simplify the situation. tarot deals with 'Big Picture'.
Nowekian 2 years ago
.... this doesn't mean, howevr, that a scientifically minded individual can't objectively say: this is accurate to this degree, this to another degree, etc. The reason i say it's not a science, is that it _doesn't_ predict anything (not really) to say a certain situation might be around the bend is not in the cards, it's in my analysis of the current situation (made clearer by the cards). perhaps my disagreement, is only in terminology. i ask, can emotions be gauged empirically? scientifically?
Nowekian 2 years ago
Psychoanalysis is not, as you seem to suggest, a science because most of its claims are not testable - and it is worth noting that in terms of efficacy, it does not do better than alternatives, such as Jungian treatments. There have been moves to redefine it as a philosophy but there again it is attacked for being a closed system with some dubious practices. Again, I see no analogy here. The product of psychoanalysis is intended to be treatment, that of divination is rather different...
ANIideas 2 years ago
...Divination is the acquisition of knowledge of either the past, present, or future, from the divine - or in modern parlance, the 'supernatural'. The product of the practice then is knowledge about the world - and that is empirical and the proper subject of science. If a truth claim is not testable, either by reason or observation, then it is specious. Given your new statements about emotions, perhaps you are using the word 'divination' in a differently to the common sense...
ANIideas 2 years ago
...you mention your 'analysis of the current situation' and so I am wondering if what you mean by divination is perhaps some kind of meditative introspection. In which case, knowledge is not being acquired and the only role of the tarot cards is a focus for that meditation. Such a claim would be far from supernatural, but rather mundane and uncontroversial.
ANIideas 2 years ago
@ANIideas- Close. i certainly don't like that definition of divination, mostly because i don't believe in the 'supernatural'. at least none that we can interact with on any level. There are certain meditative excercizes one can do with the tarot, but i assume we were discussing readings and the likes. But there is some truth to it being a kind of introspection. The theory, is that we know more than we think we do, new knowledge is acquired every nano second, by the billions of bits... but
Nowekian 2 years ago
most of it we ignore, or cannot make sense of. Also, 'knowledge' as opposed to 'information' (i meant info above, mb)can be acquired even when no new information is recieved, can ti not? So even if it were _entirely_ introspection it wouldn't necessarily need be a passive kind of practice. regardless, i don't so much mind the tarot being likened to 'treatment' so long as it is understood it's not to treat any mental ailments, or afflictions, neither to simply give hope (as some say) but to
Nowekian 2 years ago
give insights to the 'sitter' that he/she may not have (even not been able to have) gleened on his/her own. Is this 'treatment'? Of a sort i suppose. I tend to consider it more of a noetic critique. Which is much like art critique (which i'm sure you'd agree) isn't a science, tho no one would dare say it is unsceintific. (by the by, are we now testing by reason?)
Nowekian 2 years ago
I'd just like to point out that the Tarot is a divination system, and divination is defined as "The practice of attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge by occult or supernatural means" Discovering hidden knowledge (IE delving into the subconscious) is talked about alot in Jungian Psychology (Jung himself studied the i Ching) so it's alot more than just fortune telling.
Rorschached 2 years ago
"The practice of attempting..." That's an interesting definition. Kind of like jumping off a cliff and attempting not to hit the ground.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago
@Rorschached Tarot is a type of card game! Tarot was not intended as a divination system. The tarot game is still played in many European countries.
GAMEOFTAROT 2 years ago 2
a lot of things are used not how they were intended. get over it
ChubbyMoogle 2 years ago
@ChubbyMoogle but why not own up to the fact that they are not using them as intended? Why lie about it?
GAMEOFTAROT 2 years ago 5
easily fooled is he? youre the one who has named himself Gene Simmons! haha
tcdude001 2 years ago 3
pretty hoydee-toydee aintya? ...whatever
jackinla8 2 years ago
i love u
dropxdeadxalex 2 years ago
Thanks for the very interesting and free lecture!
malwida 2 years ago
He uses a lot of references to try and give it substance but in reality tarrot cards were used by people in the past that didn't know what a germ was, or a star, or an atom etc. All you have to do to prove if this has substance is to do a reading, then repeat it. The cards should come out exactly the same as the first reading. If it doesn't, it random.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago 5
That's not true, little man. A different reading can merely speak to a different set of past/present/future conditions. So instead of entirely disrespecting a mystical medium without any real knowledge of its inner workings because you think you understand the universe already I recommend removing all the certainties from your mentality. Certainties are one of the key diseases of Christians yet you, probably not a Christian, exhibit the same disease. Funny life is.
xPythox 2 years ago
"Mystical Medium?" Are you kidding? Tarot cards originated as a regular card game and didn't have anything to do with any mysticism until very recently. You tell me how a piece of paper with a picture on it tells your future? All you have to do is prove that it works and the JREF will pay you one million dollars, I'm guessing you won't take the challenge. Any mystical reference to tarot is just man made as it was and is, just a regular card game. You are so easily fooled.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago
As as you, "fooled" that is. Get our of the corner you put yourself in and listen to what he says. It's about higher thought. And as far as history goes, you made the game and where there when MB published it? Or where you one of the clergey 100's years ago killing people over as you put it a "regular cards game" if it was just a game why did someone Many people life in fear and die horrific deaths at the hands of so called Christ lovers? Jesus loves and the Church hates you.
AHFashionenemy 2 years ago
they were used for mysticism as far back as the 18th centuary. i wouldnt call that 'very recently'. educate yourself
ChubbyMoogle 2 years ago
With your limited knowledge of the passage of time, the 18th century is not a long time ago. Actually, the late 18th century to be precise. Prove it works, that's all you have to do. Random cards, random interpretations. Easy to fool someone that wants it to be true.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago 5
Thats like 300 years ago. How can i take you seriously if you cant admit when your clearly wrong. Easy to be completely skeptical when you ARE a fool.
ChubbyMoogle 2 years ago
You are clearly one of the 10 per cent of the population that is fantasy prone. Tarot is as credible as the horoscope in your local paper. Have a reading done, get one set of answers. Repeat, get a different set of answers. Repeat, get a different set of answers again. Random cards mean nothing. Prove it works. Better yet, get to a library and read about the naivety of the human species.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago
How do you expect somone to prove something that is entirely spiritual? Either you believe it or you don't and you clearly don't. Futhermore why do look up these videos and post here? Obviously your opinions are going to go against many who watch these videos because they're genuinely interested in the subject. Have to get your daily dose of youtube bitching before your satisfied, is that it? Your cleary one if the 10 per cent of the poplulation that is 'enjoys stirring the shit prone'.
ChubbyMoogle 2 years ago
No, the efficacy of divination and the facts of history are not entirely spiritual, they are clearly empirical.
ANIideas 2 years ago
You speak as though you are not a human. I can't prove it always does work, you can't prove it never does work. Same with Horoscopes and the concept of hypnotism. They work as well as you believe they do. I don't believe them to be divine but I don't know for certain they aren't. Oh and 100% of the population is fantasy prone my friend.
runaway2me80 2 years ago
I don't like to be pedantic but it is not "like 300 years ago", it is only a little over 200 years. Tarot games have of course been with us for more than 560 years now. If you read much history, then 200 years won't strike you as very long - and most of the modern development took place over just the last 100 years.
Genesimmons8 is asking for evidence that divination works - that is not foolish, it is very reasonable. If you have that evidence, Mr James Randi has a million dollars for you.
ANIideas 2 years ago
And you, why don't you explain to me why the universe was brought into existance and also show me that you know everything there is within the nature of physics and metaphysics and that there is without a shadow of a doubt no possibility for divination and then I'll give YOU a million dollars you patronising ass.
ChubbyMoogle 2 years ago
I'm not claiming to know all that stuff!
Divination is what we call an extraordinary claim - hence it must carry the burden of proof. We say that it is extraordinary because it has not been demonstrated, despite many attempts, under controlled conditions, it is contrary to what we presently know about physics, and in particular divination of the future falls into logical problems of the necessity of events and of course, paradox.
I take it you won't be claiming that million dollars then?
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
...and difficult to show 'proofs' to those who refuse to see them. I think you start at a disadvantage, in thinking the purpose of the tarot, is one, when it is actually another. There's 'random' and "random". If you can show me proofs in anything besides math, i'll show you proofs in the tarot.
Nowekian 2 years ago
Do you intend dismissing all science?
Of course, science does not provide the same proofs we find in mathematics.Science is empirical and is open to revision - its methodologies do provide us with the means to test and falsify claims.
All extraordinary claims start at a disadvantage, be they tarot reading, cold fusion (found false), or bacteria caused stomach ulcers (found true). Tarot is given equal treatment in this. If you want special treatment, make a special case.
ANIideas 2 years ago 2
i know what you're talking about, despite how i might sound in this particular nether-region of the interwebz, i am scientifically minded. i don't know how 'accurate' the tarot is, i know only that i've been right, and i've been wrong, and to what extent. read the diaries of any shamen, magi, and templi, and you'll know how i think. I donnot presume the validity of the tarot to be 'extraordinary' to begin with. I know only that for me, it has worked a gem.
Nowekian 2 years ago
The problem is that the subjective evaluation of such data is demonstrably unreliable, which is why science cannot accept it as a foundation for knowledge and why scientific experiment is based upon objectivity.
I know that it sounds harsh, but any truth claim, be it rational or empirical, must be testable against the claim that it is false, through reason or observation. If it is not - and we can all formulate any number of such claims - then it is specious.
ANIideas 2 years ago
It's worse than that... it's not unreliable, because there is no such 'data'. Because it's subjective, it's not objectively 'verifiable'! What i'm saying, is that it's not a science... it never claimed to be. at best, it's an art, a craft of sorts. But this doesn't mean it can't have its value. the closest science to which it can be likened, is genetics. You can't predict what the child of two people will look/act/feel like, but you can describe (post hoc) why they look/act a certain way.
Nowekian 2 years ago
I am not claiming that divination is itself a science (though that claim has often been made by its practitioners).
Whatever you wish to call the practice of divination, its products are empirical claims, be they about the past, present, or future - as such, it is the proper subject of empirical study and evaluation, of science!
ANIideas 2 years ago
I see no analogy with the science of genetics. Persons, their feelings, beliefs, and behaviours, are not the sole product of genes and so, in principle there is a limit to what our understanding of them can be used to predict. But we can and do make predictions based upon them, predictions that are subject to scientific scrutiny and testing.
ANIideas 2 years ago
"persons, their feelings, beliefs, and behaviours, are not the sole product of genes...." that was sort of my point.
"there is a limit to what our understanding [...can...] predict" very true. also applicable to the tarot.
"...predictions that are subject to scientific scrutiny and testing." tarot is actually not so different. It's only the method of testing that changes. but one need not be 'unscientific' in doing so....
Nowekian 2 years ago
Perhaps I have failed to understand your meaning at some point because your position seems no longer clear or consistent.
You seem to be accepting that tarot does make empirical claims and that they are therefore the subject of scientific examination.
The point that some of us are making is that tarot reading, along with other divinatory methods, despite considerable attention, have failed to be demonstrated under scientific conditions - to the point that is unreasonable to accept them.
ANIideas 2 years ago
I'd just like to know who is in charge of what cards turn up? What force controls that? Remember that Tarot was "Made up" by humans and humans never fool themseves do they.
Genesimmons8 2 years ago
of course humans fool themselves. and no one would dispute that you might misread the cards, or even read into what you want instead of what is there. the fact is, tarot deals with people, and peole are complex... add into that, interactions which are immensly _more_ complex, etc.. This leads to the need for intuition, hunches, and general picture forming, which in all sincerity doesn't follow any precise science. 'who is in charge...' tho, is a very loaded question, and i doubt you'd like
Nowekian 2 years ago
the answer, but here it is: the same 'whoever' that makes you do the things you do during the course of a day... a month... a year. It's the chaotic order of nature... causality. Why that chaos should be reflected in the cards that wind up on the table, well, that's common sense (i should think) since nothing is distinct from this force (this 'who'[?]). anyways, that's the best way i can put it.
Nowekian 2 years ago
xPythox, reading your post brings the words "kettle, black, and pot" to mind. Without a logical argument or the scientific evidence Genesimmons8 has challenged you for, it is your belief in divination that is an article of faith. Funny life is, er!
ANIideas 2 years ago 5
@Genesimmons8 :
The cards won't come exactly the same way, it is almost impossible. Although the interpretation of the new spread most likely would be different, if done skillfully it will be just as valid as the previous one.
I do not believe in divination nor the paranormal. Tarot taps into the mind of people. If done correctly, the mind will find links and relationships that the Tarot helped to achieve.
hukes 1 year ago
@Genesimmons The reading of cards fall in the hands of the interpreter not the actual cards themselves. One card will mean one thing to one reader and another to another person. Life isnt black and white and neither is divination. We all have free will. You can use rocks to do divination. Its not the item being used but the skill of the interpreter!
DRDNIBOY 1 year ago
@DRDNIBOY Divination either works or it doesn't work, so yes, it IS black or white. If the results are not repeatable and only open to interpretation then this so called science is useless and doesn't work. Why believe in the absurd? Do you actually thin a rock is going to give you insight into the future? The human species has not progresed past dark age thinking.
Genesimmons8 1 year ago
@DRDNIBOY I do so totally agree with you! It relies upon to ability the reader has to open their own minds and the insight they recieve from spirit. In other words: Divination is a personal gift!
womanofthecraft333 1 year ago
@Genesimmons8 Its not physics. Therefore it requires interpretation by something with a mind and a heart. Only dead matter repeats itself exactly. Nothing intelligent or alive ever does. Wake up and smell the roses, get your eyes out of the cof fin and into the living world of reality. Then you may find that living things have rights which dead things don't. This is why we have more respect for nature than we do for lead weights whose behavior is predictable and repeatable.
Spanglefeather 1 year ago
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@Genesimmons8 Its not physics. Therefore it requires interpretation by something with a mind and a heart. Only dead matter repeats itself exactly. Nothing intelligent or alive ever does. Wake up and smell the roses, get your eyes out of the cof fin and into the living world of reality. Then you may find that living things have rights which dead things don't. This is why we have more respect for nature than we do for lead weights whose behavior is predictable and repeatable.
Spanglefeather 1 year ago
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Spanglefeather 1 year ago
@Genesimmons8 These cards are scarily accurate. I've had about five readings over the years, and everything predicted came true...and they were not vague, but bery specific.
If the cards don't come out the same, it may be that the meaning is the same, or there is additional information to be added to the first reading.
iqfrenzy 1 year ago
@iqfrenzy Given enough time, all predictions will eventually come true. The one thing you are missing is that if the cards "don't come out the same", It could also mean that it's completely random and does not work.
Genesimmons8 1 year ago
@Genesimmons8 Really? Predictions of a court case that would last years, have terrible repercusions on my entire life, that I would be put in jail on account of it...and all of this when I had never had any kind of problem with the law before? I actually laughed at that. That I would meet a dark-haired man i would fall in love with who would take me out-of-state only to abandon me there within 6 months? After that first reading, I didn't think of the read again, until it actually happened.
iqfrenzy 1 year ago
@Genesimmons8 The reading said I would meet the man within six months, but it was actually much quicker...2 weeks. The thing about it is, that was the first reading I ever had, and I thought it was just a fun thing to do...I didn't take it seriously, and after the reading was done I never thought about it again until well AFTER what was predicted came true.
It was predicted I would get pregnant, even though doctors had told me that couldn't happen...and guess what? I did.
iqfrenzy 1 year ago
@Genesimmons8 This is true. Also the character types are so universal that anyone can find elements of their own lives in them. However, I think there is value in studying systems of symbolism to better understand the human mind, and ultimately, the self.
amaxamon 1 year ago
@amaxamon
Mostly it's a tool for introspection and reflection. Much like reading revelations and trying to decide if you are ready, where you fall when called and basically overall if you have your $#!+ together.
Without applying any more importance to it then that, it does make a very interesting tool. Yes, the readings can apply to many different situations that occur daily... but then so do many other things. Biblical readings are often made totally out of context to relate daily life.
PaleHearse 1 year ago
@PaleHearse It's funny that you shd mention the Bible -- I've been using the Gustav Dore illustrations, just opening randomly to pages, for the same kinds of free-association games. Just abt any kinds of symbolism will work. It's very hard to sneak up on your own mind, which is what makes this kind of "random access" to the unconscious so potentially effective.
amaxamon 1 year ago
@amaxamon
Basically I mentioned it because many christians take the position that their religion is somehow "different" from any other and that they are above all this mysticism. Fact remains that not only are they NOT isolated from the mystic driven interspection, they are some of the prime practitioners of it. They make themselves feel good by not looking at it in the same light, but it's just a tool of human need. If a religion doesn't supply it.. it fails. Thosse that do are timeless.
PaleHearse 1 year ago 2
@Genesimmons8
Tarot isn't magic in the sense of prediction of the actual future. Tarot is about your interpretation of the archetypes to get information on your personal view on life, that may or may be not hidden to you. It is about the unconscious. Thus, if you get different cards each time, you have to interpret their meanings, so you can see different aspects of your past, present, future, or, more accurately, your relationship to these things.
MuscleMystery 6 months ago in playlist Tarot 3
He's tho thmart.
The bit about alchemy was especially informative.
Nadine91273 2 years ago
oh... i love tarot.
Even if you don't believe in its spiritual nature it is a great way to explore yourself and find self awareness, or work through problems in a balanced way.
alexgibbons123 2 years ago
Superb video! Very erudite and clearly presented.
Many thanks.
SororThothma 3 years ago
Ahah putain c'est à se tapper le cul par terre ces vidéos.
PsychicsRFrauds 3 years ago
Why is everyone so against tarot as "fortune telling" I think it's quite neat both ways. In the card game, and the fortune telling aspect..
niiic5 3 years ago 5
Niiic5, you are correct! It shouldn't be an either/or issue. I tend to prefer the card games, myself, but there's no reason for someone not to do both divination and card playing.
Oudler 3 years ago 13
Well thanks :) it's all about what you want to believe in really.
niiic5 3 years ago 3
I don't think that folk are so much against fortune telling with tarot, any more than they are with tea leaves. However, what drives many comments is that so often misleading or simply false accounts of the cards are given. By all means divine with tarot or tea leaves - but people deserve truths as to their origins.
philebus1972 3 years ago 5
what to do with
yamamangiao 3 years ago
did u eat right and a ritual and a take a streess from ur mind dr ?
anatawa tarot card moyashimashita ka ?
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yamamangiao 3 years ago
Beautiful, clear, & elegant. Thank you for this history.
Herumachis 3 years ago
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I am siting a physically reproduceable phenomena of which is documented in "The Secret In The Bible" by Tony Bushby, and also further in "The History and Practice of Magic" by Paul Christian. A beam of light into a 'ben ben' or pyramid capstone will reproduce 'Lamed' and the shadows cast from this produce the 22 glyphs or 'letter's of light' the Taro or ROTA as in rotation or evolution, comes from. I stand correct, and this is well documented, and physically reproduceable.
tigr7170 4 years ago
y the neg reaction to this entry? bushby is a fantastic author..dont know the other but wts wrong w tarot and the bible and such other hypothesis...lighten up fools
flyinghotwing 3 years ago
Ouch! I hate that he used the Women's Encyclopedia of Myths and Symbols as a reference. The history and facts in that book are so convoluted that it makes me leery to believe any of the information. A stain on an otherwise great presentation.
Merytsetesh 4 years ago 7
i love that he brought up alchemy. study sacred geometry to learn more about how that is possible. it has to do with a 90 degree shift. whoa now he's talking about the tree of life. bam !
hiccupofirony 4 years ago
I would like to hear more about Indian tradition and if you can point books on this subject. Every time when I learn about new cultures, I find the new ways approaching tarot. I also study numerology and astrology - this helps to predict timelines of future events. I also researched various systems of tarot readings and created a new one. I would like to hear what you think of Etteilla system. Good Luck!
elisabethe3 4 years ago
I checked all comments. I can say that I personally would not use tarot cards as a game. I also find your English very simple to understand.
elisabethe3 4 years ago
Note to Elisabethe, tarot cards used for games are quite different from fortune telling tarot decks. Tarot game decks are often double figured like court cards of standard playing cards. Some Tarot game decks use the hearts, spades, clubs diamonds suits. The Rider or Thoth Tarots are not good ones for game playing.
tarot4games 4 years ago 2
Yeah... I was trying to see if there was a way to doctor my Rider-Waite cards so they would be suitable to play games with (using markers as seen in the v-blog I posted about it)... didn't work out too well... but I've got some cards heading my way from a company in Japan and from tarock dot net. I'm excited to get them so I can start playing with REAL Tarot cards... not these nonsense fortune teller's cards!
Duckhugger 4 years ago 4
Very insightful. I have been practicing a tarot for over 22 years, so I am more a practitioner. I like that you share your own thoughts and definitely have done a very interesting research.
elisabethe3 4 years ago
Aleister Crowleys Thoth Tarot deck made the idea of connecting the 10 sephira of the Kabalah to Tarot popular though the idea was previously also done in the Golden Dawn. Read Crowleys work if you want to learn something about this subject for real as he was infinately more intelligent than all the posters here.
wyzzy 4 years ago
Esto no es tan bueno como la astrología para resolverse cómo mi vida está dirigiendo.
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Mitä vittua? En ymmärrä että sinä sanot, mutta tiedän olet tyhmä paska...
wyzzy 4 years ago
Say what?
zzytrewq 4 years ago
Can use English please.? Not all can understand if important saying about tarot reading. I wish learn more but difficult, can you speak English too. English not first language for me.
LiamXaoh 4 years ago
Sorry mate, dont worry it was just some random insult anyway, nothing serious about the Tarot. A good beginner site is learntarot dot com
wyzzy 4 years ago
a better website for tarot is shogix dot net. This site teaches the real tarot, which is a card game.
tarot4games 4 years ago
that shogix site is in French, and I imagine very few users here can comprehend that language. It would be better to point them to a site about the tarot games in English like (pagat dot com slash tarot) or even better send them to (tarock dot net) where they can pick up both rules for playing tarot and look over cards for gameplay available to order (in English)!
Duckhugger 4 years ago
Shogix does have an English language section now.
Oudler 4 years ago
So it does have an english section, Sweet!!
Shogix dot net slash en-index
Got it! Thanks for pointing that out Oudler. I also enjoyed those videos you've been posting. It's good to see more people join in helping spread the word of Tarot's true use 'round the You Tubes, yeh! Cheers!
Duckhugger 4 years ago
Crowley was an anti-Semite and misogynist.
tarot4games 4 years ago
Yeah one of those really serious anti-semites that spend their lives studying the Kabalah. Is there no end to the subjects you no nothing about but still have an (incorrect) opinion on?
wyzzy 4 years ago
Crowley denied Kabbalah is of Jewish origin!
tarot4games 4 years ago
Initially I thought maybe we could have an interesting discussion. But it turns out you are a moron and have no idea what you are talking about.
wyzzy 4 years ago
Tarot has no historical connections with astrology or Kabbalah. The Tarot deck was created for playing a trick taking card game. Descendents of the original tarot card game are still played in France, Italy, Switzerland, and Austria. Tarot is really for card games, people!
tarot4games 4 years ago
This is part 2: "You become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. Disciplined and controlled on the outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside.:
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
If your name has an "L" in it read this and contact me (I wrote this about you):"Some of your aspirations tend to be pretty unrealistic. At times you are extroverted, affable, sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary and reserved. You have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. You pride yourself on being an independent thinker and do not accept others' opinions without satisfactory proof. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety."
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
You are crap at cold reading, you have a scar from childhood on your left knee though so its not all bad.
wyzzy 4 years ago
Oh give me a break! It's my first cold reading. Plus it's better done sitting opposite the person so it can be tuned to their reactions.
ZoeMarks 4 years ago
Sorry, you are right. Cold reading is pretty interesting. It is not the same as the Tarot though, but some people no doubt use it as such.
wyzzy 4 years ago
Great. Love these mini-courses, and you are certainly well-qualified to teach them. Would like more of these videos as they are essential to anyone who uses the Tarot.There is too much misinformation about its history and its origins.
CymruGyrl 5 years ago
hi ;-) I believe You should read the text* at least once before reading* it* in front of the camera~~~hum~~~there are moments when you seem to have no idea what are you speaking* about~~~nice gesture to offer documentation***but quite fake~~shine~~shinny~~~shyy~~~ShHh ;-)
GuessQue 5 years ago
I love these videos. Thank you so much for making them...more people need to know about Tarot.
justanoli 5 years ago
More people do need to know more about tarot. They need to know it's really a card game. They also need to know how to Google "cold reading" LOL
tarot4games 4 years ago
Definitely, the history of Tarot cards as beautifully illustrated playing cards is a rich and fascinating one. It's kinda' sad how Tarot has been locked down in many ways to the service of divination (which, as you note is merely picture-card aided cold reading).
Duckhugger 4 years ago 7
I think it's why there's so many Rider-Waite clones... people feel that their Tarot card designs won't be worth anything if they don't give them all the "proper" symbolism. In actuality it's not the symbolism of the pictures that they should be paying attention to but rather the usefulness of the cards in game play. Rider-Waite decks' removal of the corner numbers/symbols makes the cards a headache to play with!
Duckhugger 4 years ago 5
Again, bravo. i'm favoriting this entire series.
VireoIbis 5 years ago
Very insightful. Thank you for sharing. I hope there will be more installments of this!
Orione 5 years ago