Unfortunately, I highly doubt the fighter who attacked first would willingly just stand in place as the defender does his little special move or something, ultimately winning the fight.
While I admit and agree that a swordsman who was trained in those moves would employ them with intense accuracy and determination, at the same time I would argue that a real fight would be a bit less structured, more chaotic, and way less fluid like seen here.
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER You do have a very valid point there and I do firmly believe in having form.
But all the times that I have employed form in my sword play, whether it be at a Renaissance Faire with wooden swords or with custom lightsabers, it seems like the guy who I am dueling who just does a little repeated poke with the tip of their blade tends to be the victor. In a real fight, a poke wouldn't matter, but apparently it is "legitimate". Kind of annoying.
If you don't want to go to Germany to train, I would suggest that you look at some british clubs. Go to google and search for "HEMA alliance club finder" and you will find a map over some of the groups out there. Hopefully you will find a good group near you.
I have been studying Italian longsword technique for years under a 13th century manuscript by Fiore dei Liberi and I can assure anyone here that europeans had martial arts well before far east contact. I would put a european swordsman up against any far eastern swordsman and expect a relatively fair fight (outside the fact that european steel is far superior to anything the asians had...)
This video is amazing. I cant stop watching it. The German style is efficient. Just few parries and they get in for the kill. Sometimes just a change step and they're open for the strike. It's elegant IMO
All these Japanophiles are foolish. They don't realize that swords are just like music, you can write a million songs but there ain't but so many damn notes you can use. ALL martial arts are gonna be alike in a LOT of ways. If you fight with a fucking stick there isn't but so much you can do with it and EVERY culture will figure what that is on their own.... OR BE KILLED OR OVERTAKEN. Martial arts means MILITARY arts not JAPANESE arts. They insult their own art thinking the way they do. Idiots.
dansci is a rice chaser. lol if he wants to argue about who copied who, maybe he should know japan stole most of their things from china when the chinese opened trade with them. so all his katas are really just stolen from china...how's that for trolling, dansci?
This is very similar to Japanese style sword work, which makes sense, theres one truth about combat and that is, if it works, it works. my sensei, also my father, says any martial art is just a path to the same martial truth
@Yudansha92 wise words ydansha-san. best regards to your sen-sei ; there is of course technical differences due to the different type of weapon used. katana has only one sharp side, and no stopping cross (no idea whats that in english, i am german) - this requires other techniques. Also if you fight against armor plating, or bare opponent makes different techniques necessary ("halbes schwert" is designed against mailed knights and very similar to shortstaff fighting)
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER i totally concurr - even in WW2, the japanese army used a 'tactic' which is known as the banzai charge (the japanese called it 'Gyokusai' - honorable suicide), and consisted at charging blindly the enemy lines, using only the baionet. Needless to say, such attacks where seldom successful, but they are a prime example of your affirmation.
@Luxchamp well it worked against the chinese due to shock and speed value, the chinese, using oldbolt action firearms couldnt successfully blunt the charges as well agains american and british troops with semi auto rifles and sub/ light machine guns, it was a whole different story.
@slechka nein, in der realität waren lange kaempfe eher selten. auch in der waffenlosen kampfkunst gibt es lange kaempfe eher selten. das ziel ist dem gegner so wenig wie möglich chancen zu liefern. das geht nur indem man zumindest versucht ihn schnell auszuschalten. Nur beim boxen, in tourneys oder in einer arena - wo es darum geht das publikum fuer sein geld moeglichst lange zu amusieren - wird der kampf mittels regeln gestreckt. (z.b. ein boxer darf fast nix darum dauert der kampf lange)
Mabye you are right but many ancient techniques in combat are picked up from the east mainly middle east, and who knows from who they picked up their knowledge.Example: In ancient warefare when we talk about "westestern" style we think about phalnax: Heavy infantry figthing in rectangular formation - proud greek fighting style.
But this is wrong assumption 'cos phanax was invented by easterners (Summerians) 1300 years before battle of Troy.
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER I see your point there, and totally agreee but im talking about ancient period - long before long sword was invented.I don't know how Zulus fought but i can bet they didn;t had Roman's finesse, discipline and organisation.Having simmilar shape of equipment and similar to degree formation does not count.
Point is, if you look for oldest evidence of organised fighting in formation, that distinguished Europe and whole western world-you'll find it at Summerians around 2500BC.
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER Word. Any man doubting European proficiency at killing fellow humans need to re-examine history - It's our greatest export.
'Bushido' pfft! We had moved on to balls of steel swatting samurai ass from the sea. Captain Perry sailed up the bay' in 1854 just to tell the japanese there was no brakes on the rape train, and that the age of curly swords had ended.
im sick and tired of people trying to tell me that the same people who were center stage for the renaissance could not have applied that same thinking and passion to combat and the other arts of war. they wrote down everything people. its all there for you to read. not third hand, not second hand, most of it is first hand information
im sick and tired of people trying to tell me that the same people who where center stage for the renaissance could not have applied that same thinking and passion to combat and the other arts of war. they wrote down everything people. its all there for you to read. not third hand, not second hand, most of it is first hand information
Just watching some of these moves and i have noticed that alot of it is japanese kata, just smothered with british long swords and a small touch of british swordplay . the british never held their swords above their heads in the form of ryu-do-ninpo (or possibly some other martial art school name). dont know where they got these from, because if you look and think about it, you dont have text or scroll about sword practice from the british/scottish/templar (related) in any museum. go figure
@Kunstdesfechtens@Kunstdesfechtens (con't) For example, check out Schielhau.or g's translation from Middle High German of Joachim Meyer's longsword of 1570. You'll find the sword over the head stance both described and illustrated. It's pretty universal to sword arts in general. The Japanese called it Jodan no Kamae, the Germans called it Vom Tag, the Vadi (an Italian master) called it Posta di Falcone. Hope that helps.
@Kunstdesfechtens ..and one of the reasons for the use of "vom tag" is to offer the "Blösse" ... to lure the opponent to launch a thrust against the open belly - i would not be surprised if the japanese found the trick out by themself. This is a classical double invention of the wheel, no rocket science. Why are we even discussing with those lesser beeings such as dansci03 (such lowborn, he could not even afford a name w/o number:-) best regards sire
@dansci03 Hi there. The only surviving British sword documents from that perod are the Harleian and the Ledall manuscripts which don't have digrams on the guards. Also, the sword over the head is called "Vom Tag" in German and is explicitly described and illustrated in literally dozens of manuscripts on swordsmanship from this period. These techniques are largely culled from surviving German texts in the Liechtenauer tradition. (con't) (removed and reposted to remove snarkiness)
@Kunstdesfechtens Your actually wrong on that aswell, because if you go to tokyo national museum japan there is japanese and dutch manuscripts dating as far back as the 13th (endish period) to 15th Century fuedal japan. The japanese had dutch trade visitors which took calligraphy, sword kata and wax paper with them back to Scandanavia and lower parts of that area (including germany itself). this proves that this is where alot of 'Euro' swordplay came from. exactly around at that time. go figure
@rudiballaballa your an idiot, before you go spilling dumb remarks out of your mouth. how about get an idea of what the argument is and where the main points are. typical undeducated euro lover. the point is that TODAYS century is using japanese kata as a backup to say that these are euro styles when in fact if you dig beneath that you can clearly see where the euros are copying texts and manuscripts and labelling them as their own.
Unfortunately there is really no evidence that Europeans were, or are, using Japanese martial arts and "calling them their own". Europeans have a long history of warfare, extending from before Medieval culture, to the age of the Knight. It makes no sense that they would never develop their own systems of combat. The first fechtbuch (Fight manual) was created hundreds of years before the first contact between Europe and Japan.
@dansci03 You're gonna need a lot more straws to clutch at, sir. Firstly, the provenannce of the European sword manuscripts is well known, and has been documented for centuries by various fencing historians. You can find links where the museums in question have put up scans of these documents online. Check the Wiktenauer website for links. Secondly, this video displays distinctly German techniques. Staring at 0:14 you can see the Zwerchhau, a horizontal strike with the back edge. (con't)
@Kunstdesfechtens (con't) It requires the use of a crossguard which a tachi doesn't have. There's no way the Germans got that from the Japanese. No one today got it from Japanese swordsmanship either. It's simply not done in any Kenjutsu or Battojutsu that I've trained, let me tell you. To think that somehow Europe, with a martial tradition going back to Roman times and before managed to forget their traditions and have them reintroduced by the Japanese in the middle ages is ridiculous.
Sometimes I'm simply stunned by the ridiculous, improbable claims people have about Asian societies, like Gavin Menzies, dansci right here, and Perrin. There's already tons of stuff which is interesting in Asian history; we don't need to make up crap.
I've even seen someone try and say that the Avocado was introduced to Europeans by Muslims during the Reconquista...
That's actually completely untrue. The first contact between Europe and Japan was via the Portguese in 1543; there is no evidence of European and Japanese contact before that point. There is no evidence that European sword arts "came" from Japan at all; rather that it was a natural development completely on its own.
@HereTheArtBegins oh you know it from wikipedia??, did you buy a ticket to japans museum?, dont believe what wikipedia tells you sunshine cause it aint gonna back up your argument. (and stop using the nanban trade history as your backup i know more japanese history than you will prob ever read on the net)
@dansci03 13th century Dutchmen taking stuff from Japan back home to Scandinavia... Seems legit, right? (On a more serious note, my inner historian is deeply insulted)
@tjakal Perhaps you confuse Dutchmen with Danes? They are said to live in Scandinavia (In reality they're on the continent too but we allow them to count to Scandinavia because they talk funny, same story with Iceland really). Danes never been to the far east though, even though one might come to believe so since their flags has the same colors and all.
Yes they did. In the italian tradition its called Poste Di Falcone and was mentioned in manuscripts that long predated the arrival of Europeans in Japan. And if you actually knew anything about what they were doing you would see it was german longsword, which is derived from the teachings of a man who existed in the late 14 century, over 150 years before the europeans even knew Japan existed.
@madax132 ooooh right and you have such a huge amount of evidence to prove to me over the net?, How can i not guess that your some fatass KB'ing everyone all the time?
@dansci03 You've been shown by various people referenced documents of when Europeans contacted the Japanese for the first time as well as the roots of European sword fighting in the roman legions along with various techniques that a katana can't even do because it has no cross guard and you haven't replied to any of those persons. You can guess that I'm not a fatass because I weigh 190 and am 6 foot 1 and you can guess i'm not KBing because I don't know what KBing is.
@madax132 Shown by various people?, do you even know what my point is? or did you take it upon yourself to create an argument on purpose for the fun of it?, go back and read my comment and i dont care if your 6 foot and weigh 190
@madax132 The funny thing is, if dansci03 thinks European swordplay came from the Japanese due to early contact (that has somehow escaped the worldwide academic community), it becomes equally likely using his hypothesis that Japanese swordplay came from the Europeans... especially considering the Norse were pattern welding long before the Japanese were. Just sayin'. :)
@dansci03 theres one othere reason why it looks so similar, thats because it is, they are using weapons with reasonably similar physics and methods of holding sothats why the basic strikes are condusted in a similar fashion,
but there are hidden differences,the way a longsword and katanais held and swung is done differently
also we have european manuscript called the I:33 dating to the 13th century or before for using sword and buckler. not the same weapon. but it showcases european skills
@dansci03 Du bist ein ziemlich ignoranter depp. Wie kommst Du ueberhaupt auf "british" Naja... ich ueberlass das mal den anderen dich zu bilden. Es ist ja bereits alles gesagt :)
@dansci03 He's basically telling you that you're an idiot. I tend to agree. There is no actual evidence that there has been any contact between Europe and Japan before the 15th century. If you still claim otherwise, go on, prove it to me. Show me sources, don't cite a museum visit you alone can "prove" as evidence.
He also tells you that this vid has nothing to do with the british school, this is german style, Liechtenauer to be precise (around 1380 ^_-).
@YukiTheLaughingMan These look like choreographed drills, so not very long. Depending on ability, a couple of months of focused training or about half a year of more casual training should get you fairly close. To pull this off in free fencing will take you considerably longer.
@YukiTheLaughingMan While these guys are good, they're not quite as impressive as these chaps:
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There's a very visible difference in the intensity and speed of the drills in the two videos, and going at that kind of pace requires superb control and concentration in order to not fuck up.
@YukiTheLaughingMan I could simply be misreading TRG's video though, it could've been deliberately slowed to allow the audience to make out the blade actions. The video I linked is rather terrible in that regard if you've never seen this sort of thing.
@YukiTheLaughingMan Depends on style and what you count as good. generally years. a knight would train 3-6 days a week for hours just in upkeep, it takes years
At the first half of the video they are swiningn the blades like Shinais in Kendo katas... seems unreal to focus on the cuting with a more thrust-designed sword. The second half fightings looks excellent!
I'm glad to see that the historical sword is experiencing a groundswell of interest and support...a lot of people would miss the intricacies that go into fencing, but videos like these go a long way toward making it palatable to the masses. Well done, sirs.
I am pleasantly surprised at the comments here: rabble-rousing East v West bunglers (almost invariably talking about Japanese styles only) come in and are roundly, firmly, yet respectfully denounced without YouTube arguments or piddly elitism.
I practice Iaido/jutsu (the exact curriculum I practice is unclear to me), but it's always nice to see Europe's traditional fencing arts progressing in their restoration. They are a central cultural touchstone too long forgotten.
@Saavykaas I am on a fencing team and collect real high carbon steel swords. but on the side I take Iaido mainly because I believe in being well rounded with the different styles. but if you take both you will see that there are many similar principles like balance and foot work.
@the0edge0master No, it's all the same. It's different terminology for the same weapon. A hand and a half sword is a type of longsword. Same goes for bastard sword.
@the0edge0master In theory. But the reality is that it's all pretty much the same thing, and uses the exact same techniques. My bastard sword is technically a hand and a half, but the thing's a longsword, plain and simple. If you can use it with two hands, that's the ideal anyway. Only if you're using a buckler is using one one-handed a good option. If you plan on fencing one-handed, then you'd get a one-handed sword like an arming sword or a messer anway. Though Paulus Kal shows LS and buckler.
@elgostine There's George Silver's stuff, primarily. He came about in the late 16th century when people primarily used the rapier in civilian situations, a weapon he had several issues with. There's also the langes messer; just turn the blade a bit more so you catch the opposing sword on the cross rather than the nagel.
Does anyone know where I could learn this stuff? All the sites I find are for places outside the US. I'm REALLY interested. I would prefer a place near Florida.
communitywalk . com / THE-HEMA-ALLIANCE-Training-Partner-Finder
I don't know if all the clubs in Florida is marked on the map. But if you contact the club that are closest they may say that there is a club even closer to you.
This has nothing to do with "honor" or any other of that BS, but simple efficiency. It's something the samurai understood as well, which is why musket companies became essential in Japan. It's easier to train a rifleman than an archer. Easier than a sword fighter, etc. And thus more efficient.
But it's good to see the European stuff being dug out and restored again. Actually, it's more like... fucking brilliant.
And let's not forget that, if Japan would not have had 250 years of relative peace under the Tokugawa, the development of weapons and tactics would have been similar to Europe, eventually leading to swords and spears becoming irrelevant and guns getting even more attention.
The European arts are just as lethal as the Asian ones. They just became irrelevant on the battlefield. It's easier to take down your opponent on range.
Too bad we have little to no martial arts from the west to practice. Easter martial arts are not bad, but it'd feel more nice to do something which is relative to our own history.
@Doffz0r It's not so much the case anymore. Western arts are becoming more popular now that the internet is helping them become more known. Arts like Jogo do Pau, Le Gouren, La Canne, Classical Fencing and military sabre have living lineages. Reconstructed arts are coming along nicely too, as this video shows.
As for the various comparisons to Eastern martial arts (such as Kenjutsu, etc) it's a fascinating subject in itself...
The more you study Western styles and Eastern styles the more you will see similarity rather than differences.
At the end of the day, human body mechanics are the same, regardless of where in the word you come from. The main differences (climate, culture, etc) are reflected in the armour and weapons (i.e. hotter countries tend toward lighter armour
... Cooler countries tend to develop thicker armour and therefore weapons to penetrate said armour... picks, hammers etc...)
Curved swords are a good example (the longer cutting edge giving an advantage against those not wearing metal armour) as are "bec de corbin" (ideal for penetrating plate etc)
Obviously, there are some cross overs: humans are well known for thinking outside the box.
So please give a little thought to why these techniques evolved the way they did before saying eastern or western styles are superior...
All styles (and most weapons) are designed with a specific opponent in mind: be it armoured warriors, peasants, mounts or even vehicles.
A martial art is only as good as the person practicing it. As a race, we are very proficient at finding ways to hurt each other and throughout history, people have been surprisingly clever ... ;-)
I wonder if the "puffed and slashed" clothing of the landsknecht was meant as protection in sword fighting, was it meant to confuse the enemy by breaking up the shape of the body? Or was it merely a fashion statement? I would like to hear suggestions from others.
@Knightonagreyhorse Landsknechte considered themself a warrior elite, a militaric order. their way of clothing was not just fenzy and colourful, it also broke any law of fashion restritions. so it was ment as a statement of independence and a provocation to enemy and upper class alike.
@Blindanddumb Maybe you are right. The fact that their style was later to be adopted by the nobility all over Europe tells a few things about their importance! It was the end of the age of chivalry and the beginning of the age of mercenaries.
WE Westerners must be proud and active in the resurrection of our OWN historical martial arts. We MUST be proud of our Knight in armour, of our Norman Knight, of our renaissance fencer, of our Roman soldier and our Dark Age warrior. NOT trying to be Samurai from the mystic East, for God's sake.
you mistake the part for the whole. i as european havent been practising iaido/iaijutsu because i thought one day im gonna become a samurai. to put it with the words of my sensei: the way of the sword is explaining the way of humans.
with the years coming by practising the art has changed my life to a better one. it would exceed this platform to go into detail, but in ancient swordschools from japan lies a lot of wisdom and philosophy which can help anyone become a better man
@iaijin True as an art form... but if you look at it from a historical perspective all the enlightenment they espouse now today didnt apply then to anyone other than other samuri of the same rank. Lesser samuri, peasants, and especially gaijin, were contemptable and thus the samuri were "free" to do to them as they wished.
The ancient Japanease were just as bloody as europeans, just not as technically proficient nor have the same resources.
There is something to be said for going back and understanding our own history and our own social context more.
Samurai and Japanese martial arts emerge from a completely different social context. There are nuances which are lost on a Westerner and inescapably you'll be, yes, even yourself, translating a symbol thrown at you from another being into your own social context. Completely different senses of self, completely different senses of what one's role is, and so on.
@FenrirTheDarkWolf there should not be different "styles"...Fighting is the same all over the world! if you know how to fight then no weapon will be a mistery for you....and nowdays it's rare to find good schools of western fencing (a part for rapiers and similar) in my country, for example. And, of course, many of our martial arts have been rebuild from Eastern ones! most of the tecnicques in this video are identical to kenjutsu
@Sarva07 Most of those techniques are from Tahoffer's figures, they are purely European (late Medieval). So it's a pretty good reconstruction actually. Some of them may be similar to kenjutsu (don't really know, I'm not interested in Eastern fencing) but undoubtedly developed independently (because they are effective).
@ValagharVornastel well, the principles of swordfight are nearly the same, so no surprise if they're similar. kenjutsu is effective, but there are lots of people who really don't know what it is! maybe you've seen kendo (japanese screeming fencing with bamboo swords) which mostly is not the right way to use a japanese sword. kenjutsu instead is more rare and it's very similar to what you also show in this video...you just have to find the right, real masters and not to care about "wannabes"
@ValagharVornastel one last question...what kind of sword is this in the video? how much does it weight? it looks very interesting and, indeed, i think it's really good performance...i didn't say it's bad! In my discipline, at the end of the basic 7years academy we can choose 2 weapons of any type to study, and this one looks interesting
@Sarva07 It's a German longsword (the title of this video "Fechten mit dem langen Schwert" means "Fencing with the Longsword"), it's late Medieval. I think the blade was like 35'' long and weighed about 3 - 3.5 lb. (Not sure about the length though, do not quote me). Keep in mind though that people in Medieval were like 4.5 - 5 ft tall (max!), so you will want to scale the blade's size and weight appropriately.
@ValagharVornastel Plus IMHO they actually did not show the coolest things about longsword fencing:
/watch?v=a0LYlf24-ZM&feature=related
Some of the Talhoffer's figures nicely interpreted:
/watch?v=bWISsk0cy74
The best thing about longsword fencing are IMHO moves in which you actually use the blade as a shortspear (you grip the blade with your hands). There's actually no other way to damage an armor. You cannot cut it, only thrust. You will probably find some of those moves on youtube.
@ValagharVornastel Are you on crack? Otzi the iceman was 5ft 3.. and other less well preserved examples from 5000 years ago were taller than that.. you are mixing this up with ancient history, or you are on crack.
Average "medieval" person was relatively the same size as anybody else of the modern era, with geographical variations of course.. and so i judge you are full of shit
very well, never saw something like this before
Schmidt19941 4 days ago
@0Felisenus0 i cant believe anyone would really believe that mess... :/
volarion 1 week ago
Unfortunately, I highly doubt the fighter who attacked first would willingly just stand in place as the defender does his little special move or something, ultimately winning the fight.
While I admit and agree that a swordsman who was trained in those moves would employ them with intense accuracy and determination, at the same time I would argue that a real fight would be a bit less structured, more chaotic, and way less fluid like seen here.
Waxer3929 2 weeks ago
@Waxer3929
That's often the case when looking at any demonstration of techniques, may it be HEMA, juijutsu, boxing or w/e.
gurkfisk89 2 weeks ago
@Waxer3929 I agree that a real fight is more fight than swordplay.
However drills that reinforce "form" are vital because most "fights" are over in the first few seconds when form counts.
ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER 1 week ago
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER You do have a very valid point there and I do firmly believe in having form.
But all the times that I have employed form in my sword play, whether it be at a Renaissance Faire with wooden swords or with custom lightsabers, it seems like the guy who I am dueling who just does a little repeated poke with the tip of their blade tends to be the victor. In a real fight, a poke wouldn't matter, but apparently it is "legitimate". Kind of annoying.
Waxer3929 1 week ago
@Waxer3929 I can't speak about "light sabres" but still swords cut skin and break bones even in decent armour.
Even the synthetic swords are like being hit with a pick shaft.
Fencing is one thing and a very highly trained and entertaining sport.
Sword fighting is NOT a sport and long may it stay that way.
You can't kick someone in the nuts then beat the crap out of of an opponent with your pommel in "fencing" you can in Sword fighting.
ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER 6 days ago
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER Very true, but I wasn't trying to refer to fencing, more like what little kids do how they sort of just poke all the time.
Well, adults do it too and somehow it just counts as a win or successful hit.
I only bring this up because I employ form as well but often times the more I think about it I often wonder if the form would even matter in the end?
I mean, I find myself constantly being defeated despite using form.
It seems more like whoever hits first, wins
Waxer3929 6 days ago
@Waxer3929 Try a different club if that's your experience.
ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER 5 days ago
TEACH ME
911isfunnylol 3 weeks ago
@911isfunnylol
If you don't want to go to Germany to train, I would suggest that you look at some british clubs. Go to google and search for "HEMA alliance club finder" and you will find a map over some of the groups out there. Hopefully you will find a good group near you.
gurkfisk89 3 weeks ago in playlist Fencing.
hihi hab was geiles entdeckt haha
TessaLoucq855 3 weeks ago
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qwerty79881 1 month ago
Magnifico!
NeoDarkArckan 1 month ago
Fantastic work. I am eagerly awaiting the next video you guys put out.
sjawarrior 1 month ago
I have been studying Italian longsword technique for years under a 13th century manuscript by Fiore dei Liberi and I can assure anyone here that europeans had martial arts well before far east contact. I would put a european swordsman up against any far eastern swordsman and expect a relatively fair fight (outside the fact that european steel is far superior to anything the asians had...)
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ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER 2 months ago
what is this song??
EaseNT93 2 months ago
Someone is doing it right! I enjoyed this video a great deal! I wish more people would watch this video.
GaraLuiMartin 2 months ago in playlist Kunst des Fechten
This video is amazing. I cant stop watching it. The German style is efficient. Just few parries and they get in for the kill. Sometimes just a change step and they're open for the strike. It's elegant IMO
xsublimex1111 2 months ago
@xsublimex1111
Most of the time it is only one parry, very economical, without fancy moves. Just straight for the kill with any means necessary.
Gimpzomg 2 months ago
All these Japanophiles are foolish. They don't realize that swords are just like music, you can write a million songs but there ain't but so many damn notes you can use. ALL martial arts are gonna be alike in a LOT of ways. If you fight with a fucking stick there isn't but so much you can do with it and EVERY culture will figure what that is on their own.... OR BE KILLED OR OVERTAKEN. Martial arts means MILITARY arts not JAPANESE arts. They insult their own art thinking the way they do. Idiots.
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ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER 2 months ago
dansci is a rice chaser. lol if he wants to argue about who copied who, maybe he should know japan stole most of their things from china when the chinese opened trade with them. so all his katas are really just stolen from china...how's that for trolling, dansci?
tristienm 3 months ago 3
Il miglior combattimento di spade lunghe visto su YouTube
SicilyNormans 3 months ago
ey guckt mich an bin ein elch
AmalBessiesq405 4 months ago
geile aufnahme
MrLegolasegal 4 months ago
Can we see this is slow motion?
OhNoyate 4 months ago in playlist More videos from TheRealGladiatores
@OhNoyate i tried hard, but i could not see it in slow motion. I doubt the other can. :)
zoolkhan 3 months ago
nice
sumeshi3 4 months ago
It's amazing how many ways you can kill a man.
HubertTheBeardless 4 months ago
Sieht geil aus. I just joined a school and can't wait to start learning!
teutonalex 4 months ago
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Yoguicool 4 months ago
This is very similar to Japanese style sword work, which makes sense, theres one truth about combat and that is, if it works, it works. my sensei, also my father, says any martial art is just a path to the same martial truth
Yudansha92 4 months ago 3
@Yudansha92 Good comment. I agree completely. As the oldest mansuscript in the Liechtenauer tradition states: "There is but one art of the sword".
Kunstdesfechtens 4 months ago
@Yudansha92 wise words ydansha-san. best regards to your sen-sei ; there is of course technical differences due to the different type of weapon used. katana has only one sharp side, and no stopping cross (no idea whats that in english, i am german) - this requires other techniques. Also if you fight against armor plating, or bare opponent makes different techniques necessary ("halbes schwert" is designed against mailed knights and very similar to shortstaff fighting)
zoolkhan 3 months ago
@zoolkhan The true arguement is Samuria VS Huskarl would end up sushi.Which martial tradition and mindset won WW2?
Had the Waffen SS met a Japanese Imperial gaurd who would have won?
The answer is simple.
Far east martial arts are fine in movies not in real combat.
We use brains,brawn and technology combined not some "sitting under a water fall" bollocks based on surreal mind over matter horseshit.
Samuria died in their thousands in mindless charges against firearms.
ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER 2 months ago
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER i totally concurr - even in WW2, the japanese army used a 'tactic' which is known as the banzai charge (the japanese called it 'Gyokusai' - honorable suicide), and consisted at charging blindly the enemy lines, using only the baionet. Needless to say, such attacks where seldom successful, but they are a prime example of your affirmation.
Luxchamp 1 month ago
@Luxchamp well it worked against the chinese due to shock and speed value, the chinese, using oldbolt action firearms couldnt successfully blunt the charges as well agains american and british troops with semi auto rifles and sub/ light machine guns, it was a whole different story.
elgostine 1 month ago
das heist, lange durchgehende kämpfe wie im fernsehen gibt es nicht?? oder was!?
slechka 4 months ago
@slechka nein, in der realität waren lange kaempfe eher selten. auch in der waffenlosen kampfkunst gibt es lange kaempfe eher selten. das ziel ist dem gegner so wenig wie möglich chancen zu liefern. das geht nur indem man zumindest versucht ihn schnell auszuschalten. Nur beim boxen, in tourneys oder in einer arena - wo es darum geht das publikum fuer sein geld moeglichst lange zu amusieren - wird der kampf mittels regeln gestreckt. (z.b. ein boxer darf fast nix darum dauert der kampf lange)
zoolkhan 3 months ago
Gekonnt!
LokiVonIldoran 4 months ago in playlist Larp Schwertkampf
sehr sehr gutes Video!
Namorsan 4 months ago
Europeans have been killing each other with swords long before any of us had any knowledge of the far east.
To say that our sword,hand to hand or military doctrine is in some way influenced by the far east is a nonsense.
We made pattern welded blades in a back water like England long before the Japanese.Did we make such weapons with no idea how to wield them.
Did the Spartan's,Vikings,Saxons,Romans or medieval warrior class read up on Bushido?
No our arts are our own and not far eastern!
ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER 4 months ago 54
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER
very well said, sir!
Fritztoons 2 months ago
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER
Mabye you are right but many ancient techniques in combat are picked up from the east mainly middle east, and who knows from who they picked up their knowledge.Example: In ancient warefare when we talk about "westestern" style we think about phalnax: Heavy infantry figthing in rectangular formation - proud greek fighting style.
But this is wrong assumption 'cos phanax was invented by easterners (Summerians) 1300 years before battle of Troy.
Point is: knowledge was picked up
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ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER 2 months ago
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER I see your point there, and totally agreee but im talking about ancient period - long before long sword was invented.I don't know how Zulus fought but i can bet they didn;t had Roman's finesse, discipline and organisation.Having simmilar shape of equipment and similar to degree formation does not count.
Point is, if you look for oldest evidence of organised fighting in formation, that distinguished Europe and whole western world-you'll find it at Summerians around 2500BC.
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ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER 2 months ago
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER WELL SAID!
Smurf209 1 month ago
@ENGLISHDOGSOLDIER Word. Any man doubting European proficiency at killing fellow humans need to re-examine history - It's our greatest export.
'Bushido' pfft! We had moved on to balls of steel swatting samurai ass from the sea. Captain Perry sailed up the bay' in 1854 just to tell the japanese there was no brakes on the rape train, and that the age of curly swords had ended.
tjakal 1 week ago
hehe bin aus hamburg
TemikaAudrabz710 5 months ago
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im sick and tired of people trying to tell me that the same people who were center stage for the renaissance could not have applied that same thinking and passion to combat and the other arts of war. they wrote down everything people. its all there for you to read. not third hand, not second hand, most of it is first hand information
Evassassin 5 months ago
im sick and tired of people trying to tell me that the same people who where center stage for the renaissance could not have applied that same thinking and passion to combat and the other arts of war. they wrote down everything people. its all there for you to read. not third hand, not second hand, most of it is first hand information
Evassassin 5 months ago 4
Jjiiep Jjjiiep interesting movie
SaviorAgent 5 months ago
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this video is bullshit faggot
they proper shit is in movies we see today.
halfpipeterry 5 months ago
Just watching some of these moves and i have noticed that alot of it is japanese kata, just smothered with british long swords and a small touch of british swordplay . the british never held their swords above their heads in the form of ryu-do-ninpo (or possibly some other martial art school name). dont know where they got these from, because if you look and think about it, you dont have text or scroll about sword practice from the british/scottish/templar (related) in any museum. go figure
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Kunstdesfechtens 5 months ago
@Kunstdesfechtens @Kunstdesfechtens (con't) For example, check out Schielhau.or g's translation from Middle High German of Joachim Meyer's longsword of 1570. You'll find the sword over the head stance both described and illustrated. It's pretty universal to sword arts in general. The Japanese called it Jodan no Kamae, the Germans called it Vom Tag, the Vadi (an Italian master) called it Posta di Falcone. Hope that helps.
Kunstdesfechtens 5 months ago
@Kunstdesfechtens ..and one of the reasons for the use of "vom tag" is to offer the "Blösse" ... to lure the opponent to launch a thrust against the open belly - i would not be surprised if the japanese found the trick out by themself. This is a classical double invention of the wheel, no rocket science. Why are we even discussing with those lesser beeings such as dansci03 (such lowborn, he could not even afford a name w/o number:-) best regards sire
zoolkhan 3 months ago
@dansci03 Hi there. The only surviving British sword documents from that perod are the Harleian and the Ledall manuscripts which don't have digrams on the guards. Also, the sword over the head is called "Vom Tag" in German and is explicitly described and illustrated in literally dozens of manuscripts on swordsmanship from this period. These techniques are largely culled from surviving German texts in the Liechtenauer tradition. (con't) (removed and reposted to remove snarkiness)
Kunstdesfechtens 5 months ago
@Kunstdesfechtens Your actually wrong on that aswell, because if you go to tokyo national museum japan there is japanese and dutch manuscripts dating as far back as the 13th (endish period) to 15th Century fuedal japan. The japanese had dutch trade visitors which took calligraphy, sword kata and wax paper with them back to Scandanavia and lower parts of that area (including germany itself). this proves that this is where alot of 'Euro' swordplay came from. exactly around at that time. go figure
dansci03 5 months ago
@dansci03
Bullshit ...what do they before the 13th century? Cutting bred an chees?
rudiballaballa 5 months ago 2
@rudiballaballa your an idiot, before you go spilling dumb remarks out of your mouth. how about get an idea of what the argument is and where the main points are. typical undeducated euro lover. the point is that TODAYS century is using japanese kata as a backup to say that these are euro styles when in fact if you dig beneath that you can clearly see where the euros are copying texts and manuscripts and labelling them as their own.
dansci03 5 months ago
@dansci03
Unfortunately there is really no evidence that Europeans were, or are, using Japanese martial arts and "calling them their own". Europeans have a long history of warfare, extending from before Medieval culture, to the age of the Knight. It makes no sense that they would never develop their own systems of combat. The first fechtbuch (Fight manual) was created hundreds of years before the first contact between Europe and Japan.
HereTheArtBegins 5 months ago 4
@dansci03 You're gonna need a lot more straws to clutch at, sir. Firstly, the provenannce of the European sword manuscripts is well known, and has been documented for centuries by various fencing historians. You can find links where the museums in question have put up scans of these documents online. Check the Wiktenauer website for links. Secondly, this video displays distinctly German techniques. Staring at 0:14 you can see the Zwerchhau, a horizontal strike with the back edge. (con't)
Kunstdesfechtens 5 months ago
@Kunstdesfechtens (con't) It requires the use of a crossguard which a tachi doesn't have. There's no way the Germans got that from the Japanese. No one today got it from Japanese swordsmanship either. It's simply not done in any Kenjutsu or Battojutsu that I've trained, let me tell you. To think that somehow Europe, with a martial tradition going back to Roman times and before managed to forget their traditions and have them reintroduced by the Japanese in the middle ages is ridiculous.
Kunstdesfechtens 5 months ago
@Kunstdesfechtens
Sometimes I'm simply stunned by the ridiculous, improbable claims people have about Asian societies, like Gavin Menzies, dansci right here, and Perrin. There's already tons of stuff which is interesting in Asian history; we don't need to make up crap.
I've even seen someone try and say that the Avocado was introduced to Europeans by Muslims during the Reconquista...
HereTheArtBegins 5 months ago
@HereTheArtBegins "A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes," -Mark Twain
Kunstdesfechtens 5 months ago 2
@dansci03
That's actually completely untrue. The first contact between Europe and Japan was via the Portguese in 1543; there is no evidence of European and Japanese contact before that point. There is no evidence that European sword arts "came" from Japan at all; rather that it was a natural development completely on its own.
HereTheArtBegins 5 months ago 2
@HereTheArtBegins oh you know it from wikipedia??, did you buy a ticket to japans museum?, dont believe what wikipedia tells you sunshine cause it aint gonna back up your argument. (and stop using the nanban trade history as your backup i know more japanese history than you will prob ever read on the net)
dansci03 5 months ago
@dansci03
From a Chronology in Stephen Turnbull's "Samurai Armies: 1467-1649";
"1543- Arrival of Europeans in Japan"
From a chronology in Anthony J. Bryant's "The Samurai"
"1542- Portuguese land at Tanegashima. Firearms are introduced to Japan."
Turnbull also refers to European contact with Japan starting in roughly 1543 all throughout "Samurai; The Worlld of the Warrior".
Do you have any sources you can show me that state that European contact started with the Dutch in the 13th century?
HereTheArtBegins 5 months ago
@dansci03 13th century Dutchmen taking stuff from Japan back home to Scandinavia... Seems legit, right? (On a more serious note, my inner historian is deeply insulted)
0Felisenus0 2 weeks ago
@dansci03 Dutchmen... Scandinavia... I live in Scandinavia,hint: no Dutchmen in Scandinavia, they live down on the continent.
tjakal 1 week ago
@tjakal Perhaps you confuse Dutchmen with Danes? They are said to live in Scandinavia (In reality they're on the continent too but we allow them to count to Scandinavia because they talk funny, same story with Iceland really). Danes never been to the far east though, even though one might come to believe so since their flags has the same colors and all.
tjakal 1 week ago
@dansci03
Yes they did. In the italian tradition its called Poste Di Falcone and was mentioned in manuscripts that long predated the arrival of Europeans in Japan. And if you actually knew anything about what they were doing you would see it was german longsword, which is derived from the teachings of a man who existed in the late 14 century, over 150 years before the europeans even knew Japan existed.
temmy9 4 months ago 20
@temmy9 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz... huh what'd I miss?
dansci03 4 months ago
@dansci03 I'm surprised you have the strength to type being crushed under than mountain of evidence there.
madax132 4 months ago 2
@madax132 ooooh right and you have such a huge amount of evidence to prove to me over the net?, How can i not guess that your some fatass KB'ing everyone all the time?
dansci03 4 months ago
@dansci03 You've been shown by various people referenced documents of when Europeans contacted the Japanese for the first time as well as the roots of European sword fighting in the roman legions along with various techniques that a katana can't even do because it has no cross guard and you haven't replied to any of those persons. You can guess that I'm not a fatass because I weigh 190 and am 6 foot 1 and you can guess i'm not KBing because I don't know what KBing is.
madax132 4 months ago 2
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@madax132 Shown by various people?, do you even know what my point is? or did you take it upon yourself to create an argument on purpose for the fun of it?, go back and read my comment and i dont care if your 6 foot and weigh 190
dansci03 4 months ago
@madax132 The funny thing is, if dansci03 thinks European swordplay came from the Japanese due to early contact (that has somehow escaped the worldwide academic community), it becomes equally likely using his hypothesis that Japanese swordplay came from the Europeans... especially considering the Norse were pattern welding long before the Japanese were. Just sayin'. :)
Kunstdesfechtens 4 months ago 5
@Kunstdesfechtens Lol, that's so true.
madax132 4 months ago 2
@dansci03 theres one othere reason why it looks so similar, thats because it is, they are using weapons with reasonably similar physics and methods of holding sothats why the basic strikes are condusted in a similar fashion,
but there are hidden differences,the way a longsword and katanais held and swung is done differently
also we have european manuscript called the I:33 dating to the 13th century or before for using sword and buckler. not the same weapon. but it showcases european skills
elgostine 1 month ago
@dansci03 Du bist ein ziemlich ignoranter depp. Wie kommst Du ueberhaupt auf "british" Naja... ich ueberlass das mal den anderen dich zu bilden. Es ist ja bereits alles gesagt :)
zoolkhan 3 months ago
@zoolkhan whaaaaaaat?,
dansci03 3 months ago
@dansci03 He's basically telling you that you're an idiot. I tend to agree. There is no actual evidence that there has been any contact between Europe and Japan before the 15th century. If you still claim otherwise, go on, prove it to me. Show me sources, don't cite a museum visit you alone can "prove" as evidence.
He also tells you that this vid has nothing to do with the british school, this is german style, Liechtenauer to be precise (around 1380 ^_-).
Yes. You are an idiot.
Shyanmar 3 months ago 2
Good Music... Good plays... Nice outfits...
DiscerningDisdain 6 months ago
1:35 - 1:37 woops, nah so close
caseman86 6 months ago
Excellent!!!
MrCubano666 6 months ago
Good reference for a Dungeons & Dragons game, no?
Amesang 7 months ago
Excellent job!
fahreneit 7 months ago
Good video. How long does it take to get this good at swordfighting? Does anyone know?
YukiTheLaughingMan 7 months ago
@YukiTheLaughingMan These look like choreographed drills, so not very long. Depending on ability, a couple of months of focused training or about half a year of more casual training should get you fairly close. To pull this off in free fencing will take you considerably longer.
halfassedfart 7 months ago
@YukiTheLaughingMan While these guys are good, they're not quite as impressive as these chaps:
watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc&
There's a very visible difference in the intensity and speed of the drills in the two videos, and going at that kind of pace requires superb control and concentration in order to not fuck up.
halfassedfart 7 months ago
@YukiTheLaughingMan I could simply be misreading TRG's video though, it could've been deliberately slowed to allow the audience to make out the blade actions. The video I linked is rather terrible in that regard if you've never seen this sort of thing.
halfassedfart 7 months ago
@halfassedfart
Hey thanks for your help.
YukiTheLaughingMan 7 months ago
@YukiTheLaughingMan Depends on style and what you count as good. generally years. a knight would train 3-6 days a week for hours just in upkeep, it takes years
sevandor 6 months ago
I know this probably sounds really stupid to bring up in a video about swords, but I must ask: where exactly was this filmed?
jasonthemauler 7 months ago
nach sowas hab ich gesucht. das ist perfekt :D hoffentlich kann ich das in meiner nähe machen
25Yagami 8 months ago
@25Yagami
Sorry for answering in english (my german is really lousy).
As you live in germany I think you can find a group near you. Here is a map that might help you.
communitywalk . c o m / moscow/european_marital_arts_group_finder_eastern_europe/map/896439
If there isn't anyone near you on this map, try to contact your nearest group and they might know a group that isn't on the map.
gurkfisk89 8 months ago
@gurkfisk89 cool, thank you very much! i just found a group around here with the map^^
25Yagami 7 months ago
Extremely good performed! Sugoi!
Jiyukan 8 months ago
this video is much better than others great work!
lyndseyjared11 8 months ago
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At the first half of the video they are swiningn the blades like Shinais in Kendo katas... seems unreal to focus on the cuting with a more thrust-designed sword. The second half fightings looks excellent!
Maccready 8 months ago
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Maccready 8 months ago
schöne sache , hast es geschafft
grüße aus den norden ,
mfg franzel
71NORDLICHT 8 months ago
i want to learn to do that heyeh!-thing (0:55)
IronCoredKnight 8 months ago
next step, revival of hoplite and roman sword and spear techniques.
elgostine 8 months ago
I'm glad to see that the historical sword is experiencing a groundswell of interest and support...a lot of people would miss the intricacies that go into fencing, but videos like these go a long way toward making it palatable to the masses. Well done, sirs.
ebonpaladin 8 months ago
hmm i just have two questions : who of them would win in real fight? and can i see this in fast pls? *.*
i love that skills :)
p0p0h4h4 9 months ago
@p0p0h4h4
First question, IDK
For the second, here you can see demonstrations with some techniques that are pretty fast:
watch?v=ln94E9AGYTc
watch?v=mjT4JepA-Vc
And here you can see competitions, the techniques are of course not as clear as in the demonstrations but they are fast:
watch?v=qthCkt6Jolk
gurkfisk89 9 months ago
I am pleasantly surprised at the comments here: rabble-rousing East v West bunglers (almost invariably talking about Japanese styles only) come in and are roundly, firmly, yet respectfully denounced without YouTube arguments or piddly elitism.
I practice Iaido/jutsu (the exact curriculum I practice is unclear to me), but it's always nice to see Europe's traditional fencing arts progressing in their restoration. They are a central cultural touchstone too long forgotten.
Saavykaas 9 months ago
@Saavykaas I am on a fencing team and collect real high carbon steel swords. but on the side I take Iaido mainly because I believe in being well rounded with the different styles. but if you take both you will see that there are many similar principles like balance and foot work.
djren2205 9 months ago
are the techniques for a hand and a half sword any different than those of a longsword?
the0edge0master 9 months ago
@the0edge0master No, it's all the same. It's different terminology for the same weapon. A hand and a half sword is a type of longsword. Same goes for bastard sword.
Kunstdesfechtens 9 months ago
@Kunstdesfechtens ah i see. the handle is supposed to b slightly smaller on a hand and a hlaf though, right?
the0edge0master 9 months ago
@the0edge0master In theory. But the reality is that it's all pretty much the same thing, and uses the exact same techniques. My bastard sword is technically a hand and a half, but the thing's a longsword, plain and simple. If you can use it with two hands, that's the ideal anyway. Only if you're using a buckler is using one one-handed a good option. If you plan on fencing one-handed, then you'd get a one-handed sword like an arming sword or a messer anway. Though Paulus Kal shows LS and buckler.
Kunstdesfechtens 9 months ago
@Kunstdesfechtens ok thank u for clarifying.
the0edge0master 9 months ago
Achja...bis ich so weit bin dauert das noch ein ganzes Weilchen....
Toastbrotfresser 9 months ago
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timmibd80 10 months ago
Did anyone else notice at 1:36 the guy in red and black almost slips over xD. Good work anyway guys ^^ your very skilled.
MultiAngryguy 10 months ago
this is one of the better fencing movies ive seen on YouTube yet.
tehkill3r 10 months ago
how much works are there on the single arming sword or side sword. without a dagger or buckler accompanying it??
elgostine 10 months ago
@elgostine There's George Silver's stuff, primarily. He came about in the late 16th century when people primarily used the rapier in civilian situations, a weapon he had several issues with. There's also the langes messer; just turn the blade a bit more so you catch the opposing sword on the cross rather than the nagel.
ChishioAme 10 months ago
at last some nice moves with western sword :D
tengokunoshi 11 months ago
Does anyone know where I could learn this stuff? All the sites I find are for places outside the US. I'm REALLY interested. I would prefer a place near Florida.
WickLTAT 11 months ago
@WickLTAT This is EUROPEAN martial arts :p
AmiralSAS 11 months ago
@WickLTAT
Yes, I have a map =)
communitywalk . com / THE-HEMA-ALLIANCE-Training-Partner-Finder
I don't know if all the clubs in Florida is marked on the map. But if you contact the club that are closest they may say that there is a club even closer to you.
Have a nice day.
gurkfisk89 11 months ago
@WickLTAT There are a lot of clubs in Florida. Shouldn't be much trouble locating one.
Kunstdesfechtens 11 months ago
This has nothing to do with "honor" or any other of that BS, but simple efficiency. It's something the samurai understood as well, which is why musket companies became essential in Japan. It's easier to train a rifleman than an archer. Easier than a sword fighter, etc. And thus more efficient.
But it's good to see the European stuff being dug out and restored again. Actually, it's more like... fucking brilliant.
higuma75 11 months ago
@higuma75 Also it was cheaper to train and equip and pay wages for 20 musketeers than 1 knight in full set up.
CruelSculpture 11 months ago
And let's not forget that, if Japan would not have had 250 years of relative peace under the Tokugawa, the development of weapons and tactics would have been similar to Europe, eventually leading to swords and spears becoming irrelevant and guns getting even more attention.
The European arts are just as lethal as the Asian ones. They just became irrelevant on the battlefield. It's easier to take down your opponent on range.
higuma75 11 months ago
Too bad we have little to no martial arts from the west to practice. Easter martial arts are not bad, but it'd feel more nice to do something which is relative to our own history.
Doffz0r 11 months ago
@Doffz0r It's not so much the case anymore. Western arts are becoming more popular now that the internet is helping them become more known. Arts like Jogo do Pau, Le Gouren, La Canne, Classical Fencing and military sabre have living lineages. Reconstructed arts are coming along nicely too, as this video shows.
Kunstdesfechtens 11 months ago
Love the video, first of all.
As for the various comparisons to Eastern martial arts (such as Kenjutsu, etc) it's a fascinating subject in itself...
The more you study Western styles and Eastern styles the more you will see similarity rather than differences.
At the end of the day, human body mechanics are the same, regardless of where in the word you come from. The main differences (climate, culture, etc) are reflected in the armour and weapons (i.e. hotter countries tend toward lighter armour
hk321654 11 months ago
... Cooler countries tend to develop thicker armour and therefore weapons to penetrate said armour... picks, hammers etc...)
Curved swords are a good example (the longer cutting edge giving an advantage against those not wearing metal armour) as are "bec de corbin" (ideal for penetrating plate etc)
Obviously, there are some cross overs: humans are well known for thinking outside the box.
hk321654 11 months ago
So please give a little thought to why these techniques evolved the way they did before saying eastern or western styles are superior...
All styles (and most weapons) are designed with a specific opponent in mind: be it armoured warriors, peasants, mounts or even vehicles.
A martial art is only as good as the person practicing it. As a race, we are very proficient at finding ways to hurt each other and throughout history, people have been surprisingly clever ... ;-)
hk321654 11 months ago
This is Thrand!!!
Excellent video on the hand and half sword:P
Be sure to check out my videos here on youtube!!!
ThegnThrand 1 year ago 12
really cool location! Way to learn Sigfried's art.
tallswede80 1 year ago
Nice!!!!
5*****
prussiansoldier85 1 year ago
I wonder if the "puffed and slashed" clothing of the landsknecht was meant as protection in sword fighting, was it meant to confuse the enemy by breaking up the shape of the body? Or was it merely a fashion statement? I would like to hear suggestions from others.
Knightonagreyhorse 1 year ago
@Knightonagreyhorse Landsknechte considered themself a warrior elite, a militaric order. their way of clothing was not just fenzy and colourful, it also broke any law of fashion restritions. so it was ment as a statement of independence and a provocation to enemy and upper class alike.
Blindanddumb 1 year ago
@Blindanddumb Maybe you are right. The fact that their style was later to be adopted by the nobility all over Europe tells a few things about their importance! It was the end of the age of chivalry and the beginning of the age of mercenaries.
Knightonagreyhorse 1 year ago
I love the economy of movement in the ripostes in this system
JahBushi 1 year ago
Nice!!!!!!!! o.O
001Angelos 1 year ago
WE Westerners must be proud and active in the resurrection of our OWN historical martial arts. We MUST be proud of our Knight in armour, of our Norman Knight, of our renaissance fencer, of our Roman soldier and our Dark Age warrior. NOT trying to be Samurai from the mystic East, for God's sake.
FenrirTheDarkWolf 1 year ago 203
@FenrirTheDarkWolf YEA! White Powe--- oh wait a minute...
RiseofMarine 1 year ago 2
@FenrirTheDarkWolf
Hell, I'm aisan myself and much prefer western historical martial arts myself.
Peter1992t 1 year ago 2
@FenrirTheDarkWolf And Highlander, and Gallowglass.....
KeithBrown51 1 year ago
@KeithBrown51 And Braveheart, Robert the Bruce so on
moonpencil123 1 year ago
@FenrirTheDarkWolf haha somebody's mad.
Benbanme 1 year ago
@FenrirTheDarkWolf
you mistake the part for the whole. i as european havent been practising iaido/iaijutsu because i thought one day im gonna become a samurai. to put it with the words of my sensei: the way of the sword is explaining the way of humans.
with the years coming by practising the art has changed my life to a better one. it would exceed this platform to go into detail, but in ancient swordschools from japan lies a lot of wisdom and philosophy which can help anyone become a better man
iaijin 1 year ago
@iaijin True as an art form... but if you look at it from a historical perspective all the enlightenment they espouse now today didnt apply then to anyone other than other samuri of the same rank. Lesser samuri, peasants, and especially gaijin, were contemptable and thus the samuri were "free" to do to them as they wished.
The ancient Japanease were just as bloody as europeans, just not as technically proficient nor have the same resources.
Keep up the good works, but know your past.
KeithBrown51 1 year ago
@iaijin
There is something to be said for going back and understanding our own history and our own social context more.
Samurai and Japanese martial arts emerge from a completely different social context. There are nuances which are lost on a Westerner and inescapably you'll be, yes, even yourself, translating a symbol thrown at you from another being into your own social context. Completely different senses of self, completely different senses of what one's role is, and so on.
Caliburnis 1 year ago
@FenrirTheDarkWolf there should not be different "styles"...Fighting is the same all over the world! if you know how to fight then no weapon will be a mistery for you....and nowdays it's rare to find good schools of western fencing (a part for rapiers and similar) in my country, for example. And, of course, many of our martial arts have been rebuild from Eastern ones! most of the tecnicques in this video are identical to kenjutsu
Sarva07 1 year ago
@Sarva07 Most of those techniques are from Tahoffer's figures, they are purely European (late Medieval). So it's a pretty good reconstruction actually. Some of them may be similar to kenjutsu (don't really know, I'm not interested in Eastern fencing) but undoubtedly developed independently (because they are effective).
ValagharVornastel 1 year ago
@ValagharVornastel well, the principles of swordfight are nearly the same, so no surprise if they're similar. kenjutsu is effective, but there are lots of people who really don't know what it is! maybe you've seen kendo (japanese screeming fencing with bamboo swords) which mostly is not the right way to use a japanese sword. kenjutsu instead is more rare and it's very similar to what you also show in this video...you just have to find the right, real masters and not to care about "wannabes"
Sarva07 1 year ago
@ValagharVornastel one last question...what kind of sword is this in the video? how much does it weight? it looks very interesting and, indeed, i think it's really good performance...i didn't say it's bad! In my discipline, at the end of the basic 7years academy we can choose 2 weapons of any type to study, and this one looks interesting
Sarva07 11 months ago
@Sarva07 It's a German longsword (the title of this video "Fechten mit dem langen Schwert" means "Fencing with the Longsword"), it's late Medieval. I think the blade was like 35'' long and weighed about 3 - 3.5 lb. (Not sure about the length though, do not quote me). Keep in mind though that people in Medieval were like 4.5 - 5 ft tall (max!), so you will want to scale the blade's size and weight appropriately.
ValagharVornastel 11 months ago
@ValagharVornastel Plus IMHO they actually did not show the coolest things about longsword fencing:
/watch?v=a0LYlf24-ZM&feature=related
Some of the Talhoffer's figures nicely interpreted:
/watch?v=bWISsk0cy74
The best thing about longsword fencing are IMHO moves in which you actually use the blade as a shortspear (you grip the blade with your hands). There's actually no other way to damage an armor. You cannot cut it, only thrust. You will probably find some of those moves on youtube.
ValagharVornastel 11 months ago
@ValagharVornastel Are you on crack? Otzi the iceman was 5ft 3.. and other less well preserved examples from 5000 years ago were taller than that.. you are mixing this up with ancient history, or you are on crack.
Average "medieval" person was relatively the same size as anybody else of the modern era, with geographical variations of course.. and so i judge you are full of shit
Pawnbroker00 11 months ago