Until science can figure out how the physical reality came to be out of nothingness, the Bible will stand the test of time as to it's claim about the creation. If you ask, well where did God come from you are asking a flawed question. We are asking where the physical came from in the beginning. God is not physical, but Spirit and not subject to physical laws. If you say the Big Bang, what caused it to blow up and that in itself shows that there was a "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED".
You pathetic emotional people now feel like you NEED that false emotional attachment in life to get through it. We have a planet full of resources, there's a son for warmth and protection, and a moon to keep the tides in for life to be habitable. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
Is that all you got? Really? That is your utterly irrational response to a very rationally stated argument for the existence of God? If you honestly believe that the universe came into being purely by accident without intellegent design, then you are the one who is making a collosal leap of faith, not the rest of us. Free your mind and open yourself to the possibility that there just might be a God. It won't kill you.
Theres nothing wrong with finding acceptance in your community, exept that your community has just gotten smaller. Early christians practiced in tomes, because it was illegal. marked their foreheads with the sign of a criminal.
christianity is a dark religion, honestly this phony bs doesnt make it any better jsut because you may or may not be able to find acceptance alone.
NewDay you have changed my life. For all those who don't understand...you can't until you experience it. God has made me the happiest I've ever been. Thank you.
God has shown himself through Jesus Christ, the history is there for all to see. He rose again, and is still alive today working by the power of the spirit.
Nitrous, you are very mistaken when you say that you don't have to prove anything as an agnostic. If you are a strong agnostic then you would have to prove how you can know for sure that we can't know there is a God? what would you consider good evidence?
he has revealed himself, people get healed, people start to see how god can change situations, trust me you need to go along to a church and check it out, if its not for you, its not for you,
It's not my responsibility to disprove anything. I'm an agnostic. It's YOU that's making these outrageous claims, so it's your responsibility to prove them. I could say "There are flashing blue gerbils on Jupiter who can hear every thought you think - prove me wrong!"
The meaning of life? In a biological sense, the meaning of life is to ensure the survival of the species. Religious belief may have evolved to help homo sapiens with this. Other than that, life is cruel, arbitrary and largely meaningless. It would be terribly nice, wouldn't it, if all that stuff about that Middle Eastern carpenter fella being God and sending himself was true. Unfortunately though, it's a completely daft fairytale for which there's a complete lack of evidence.
Daily life is profoundly wretched for the majority of this planet's inhabitants. Try telling them the Big Bang may have just been 'luck', then playing them drab indie music and bleating about some zombie carpenter from thousands of years ago from inside the comfort of your heated church. Then see if their water's suddenly malaria-free.
btw the talks are on the newday web page under resources and 12-14s morning meetings :) i think we shud let ppl believe what they want and if this video inspires them well thats their thing, it may not be yours lol :)
...there were 3 more talks that went along with it, that adressed other points, so the ending really was a lead to the next part. also he actually just asks a question in it "what if he has?" your answer to that could be -he hasn't! lol
I'm not posting on behalf of Mr Wilson so i could indeed be wrong about all this. !!
i think the song is by tim hughes. kannyweb, i see your points, to be honest i was in the talk that andrew did, it makes a lot more sense in this video once you have heard the talk. afaik this was just a summery of his talk and put up here to help us remember his main points, but i certainly myselt would never have a concersation with anyone just using these points! there is much more to the talk. Furthermore the talks title was "how did we get here" ...
Furthernore, this videos purpose is its undoing. Sure, you've provided 'evidence' (and I use the term loosely) for a God, but how can you justify it is 'your God', and not Allah or Brahma. If you wish to address anything I have said then your comments are more than welcome.
well first of all let me just start of by saying that god of the Muslims "allah" is also the abrahamic god of the christians and jews.. it's just one of the many names for the same god.. and i would also like to mention that there is no such thing as "your god" or "my god" or the "christian god" because there's no specific set list of rule which describes what the christian/jewish/muslim god is like, i think it's more about justifying that only one god exists..
This video proves nothing. The big bang theory was put forward as an answer to the big question. Many other theories have been put forward, but this one has been supported by the most SCIENTIFIC PROOF. I find it hard not to laugh at some of the more obvious questions in there (for example 'what caused the stars and planets to form afterwards' - ever heard of gravity and nuclear fusion?)
it proves everything....i have a question for an awnser of your question ''ever heard of gravity and nuclear fusion'' my awnser is alos a question.....how did the gravity get there?...how was there nuclear fusion?....how did nuclear fusion be there?....there are infinite questions i could ask u
what if u had 15 roulette wheels.....what if on each of those wheels there was a billion nubmers.......all those numbers all had to be exactly certain numbers...that makes 15-billion..the chances of us being here are.. about 15 : 15billion.....thats 1 in a billion....
thats just the chaces of use being here..so what if u understood that and just said it happend by chance...and what if it just did?....ok lets say that
Well we actually only have historic proof that Jesus existed, was crucified and that his tomb was empty. Everything else is just words. I am a Christian I'm just correcting.
Havn't we just been given scientific evidence? Isn't more likely that God exsists than the world just happened? If there is a God, then we have a meaning and a purpose and hope for our lives. If there isn't, we're just a bunch of atoms. I don't know about anyone else, but I want to know the perfect love that Jesus has offered to us. Why wouldn't you want a chance to have a happy ending? Who wouldn't?
Yes, without the love of God I would be a meaningless, empty little person. That's why I'm so glad that I know Him. You really need to go to Newday, NitrousMcBread, and get a good argument for yourself before you do.
That's a shockingly depressing little assertion you've made. What tyranny and insecurity there is in the idea of a creator who offers an escape from meaninglessness only from those who profess unconditional love for him. And how massively ridiculous this concept is!!
As far as Newday goes, I've watched the videos and all I see is a roomful of overexcited moppets getting in a lather over incredibly bad indie music and screaming at men talking in American accents from the stage. Horrific.
Nitrous, He offers an escape to all of us. That's the Christian message. He loves us all, including you. But we accepted his love and you're fighting it. And by the way, there was only one American worship leader at Newday, and he didn't preach. Please stop stereotyping.
I didn't say they were American. I said they had American accents. Like when Elton John pathetically sings in an American accent. Don't accuse me of stereotyping, godboy. And don't tell me some two-thousand-year-old alleged zombie carpenter loves me. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for any of the Christian myth. It was all created by men. You are trying to feather your own nest in an afterlife you have deluded yourself into believing in.
It is sad that you are so desperate to insult everything we believe in. Really, what's the use in it? God loves you. And I'm not just feathering my nest, I'm trying to make this crappy world a little bit better, so that more people (including me) can be happy, as well as go to heaven.
Nitrous, can you explain morals? Can you explain love? Can you explain healing and people being raised from the dead?
How exactly are you making the world better? How did it go selling everything you owned and giving the money to the poor, as your Jesus instructed? Do you have a job? What is it?
Supernaturalists have no monopoly on morailty. Religion is largely a force for evil i n the world. I work raising money for Third World aid, and without Christianity there'd be many, many less people dying all over the world. Your post is deluded; insane. What's this about people being raised from the dead??
@withalittlegrace Why is that atheists always sound so hateful and angry? What was it Yoda said? Don't give in to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering. We are praying for your soul, Nitrous. You can hate Jesus all you want. He still loves you and wants to forgive you. See, we believe in a God who forgives. But he also gives us free will, and whether you chose to believe or is up to you. He doesn't force anyone against their will.
@kannywab The question is, who made the laws that govern the universe? Apparently you missed the part with all the numbers. The point is, the odds of all these factors being just so to allow for the existence of stars and planets and life is beyond mere chance. It is completely logical and rational to conclude that there is some intellegence behind it all. How you define that intellence is up to you.
This is a reaallly good way of showing that it makes a lot more sense to have a creator than for everythingwe know to just be a product of chance, when it gets to the cross bit, its almost as if everything clicks, i love you Jesus
it plays twice lol i was at that 12-14's seminar and i remember the scooby doo noise lol this made me think alot.....i love newday..it was amazing at the healing thingymabobs adn how many ppl gave their life to christ..i enjoyed mike pilavachi..." and bring healing for his...face" lol
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frenchsaber 4 months ago
Song name?
FreddieZade 5 months ago
How is anything real
russ531995 7 months ago
i love the words in the song :)
ouze2k8 7 months ago
God is BLACK :)
Demeterix 1 year ago
Until science can figure out how the physical reality came to be out of nothingness, the Bible will stand the test of time as to it's claim about the creation. If you ask, well where did God come from you are asking a flawed question. We are asking where the physical came from in the beginning. God is not physical, but Spirit and not subject to physical laws. If you say the Big Bang, what caused it to blow up and that in itself shows that there was a "IN THE BEGINNING GOD CREATED".
pjfrog10 1 year ago
You pathetic emotional people now feel like you NEED that false emotional attachment in life to get through it. We have a planet full of resources, there's a son for warmth and protection, and a moon to keep the tides in for life to be habitable. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?
JwestonCMU 1 year ago
im sorry but this is complete and utter bullshit there is no such thing as god...
Runescape99sGuides 1 year ago
@Runescape99sGuides why comment? just keep your false thoughts to yourself, i pity your blindless
AssassinKea1 1 year ago
@Runescape99sGuides
Is that all you got? Really? That is your utterly irrational response to a very rationally stated argument for the existence of God? If you honestly believe that the universe came into being purely by accident without intellegent design, then you are the one who is making a collosal leap of faith, not the rest of us. Free your mind and open yourself to the possibility that there just might be a God. It won't kill you.
FoundingPrinciples 3 weeks ago
Theres nothing wrong with finding acceptance in your community, exept that your community has just gotten smaller. Early christians practiced in tomes, because it was illegal. marked their foreheads with the sign of a criminal.
christianity is a dark religion, honestly this phony bs doesnt make it any better jsut because you may or may not be able to find acceptance alone.
ourselfish 1 year ago
NewDay you have changed my life. For all those who don't understand...you can't until you experience it. God has made me the happiest I've ever been. Thank you.
singingsammy1994 2 years ago 8
God has shown himself through Jesus Christ, the history is there for all to see. He rose again, and is still alive today working by the power of the spirit.
Nitrous, you are very mistaken when you say that you don't have to prove anything as an agnostic. If you are a strong agnostic then you would have to prove how you can know for sure that we can't know there is a God? what would you consider good evidence?
speary1 2 years ago
Ok... so god revealed himself to us before...
Allright now, but this is a whole new generation 20 centuries later, so god... come and reveal yourself to us again please.... *no answer*....
buckleup4KB24 2 years ago
@buckleup4KB24
he has revealed himself, people get healed, people start to see how god can change situations, trust me you need to go along to a church and check it out, if its not for you, its not for you,
beyblader10171 2 years ago
@buckleup4KB24
Christ died once for all. Is that not enough for you?
FoundingPrinciples 3 weeks ago
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xxStandForChristxx 2 years ago
and how about you structure your argument differently, give me some proof the god doesnt exist
Spuddin8tor 2 years ago
It's not my responsibility to disprove anything. I'm an agnostic. It's YOU that's making these outrageous claims, so it's your responsibility to prove them. I could say "There are flashing blue gerbils on Jupiter who can hear every thought you think - prove me wrong!"
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
didn't you see them waving at 0:26seconds?
andyhails 2 years ago
@Spuddin8tor i am niether a athiest or a religious person i am a seeker ..a seeker of truth ..guess ill have to wait till my final day
PEEWEEK707 1 year ago
watch the video, you might learn something
Spuddin8tor 2 years ago
I have watched the video, and I did learn something. I learnt that many Christians like to soundtrack their baseless assertions with bad indie music.
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
@NitrousMcBread Baseless assertions? Would it kill you to open your mind to the possibility there might be a God? Much fear I sense in you. Yes.
FoundingPrinciples 3 weeks ago
What is the meaning of life Nitrous ?
Please tell me i'm so excited to hear your answer. :). I can't find any (good) reason to live a life without God.
edddde279 2 years ago
The meaning of life? In a biological sense, the meaning of life is to ensure the survival of the species. Religious belief may have evolved to help homo sapiens with this. Other than that, life is cruel, arbitrary and largely meaningless. It would be terribly nice, wouldn't it, if all that stuff about that Middle Eastern carpenter fella being God and sending himself was true. Unfortunately though, it's a completely daft fairytale for which there's a complete lack of evidence.
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
Daily life is profoundly wretched for the majority of this planet's inhabitants. Try telling them the Big Bang may have just been 'luck', then playing them drab indie music and bleating about some zombie carpenter from thousands of years ago from inside the comfort of your heated church. Then see if their water's suddenly malaria-free.
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
btw the talks are on the newday web page under resources and 12-14s morning meetings :) i think we shud let ppl believe what they want and if this video inspires them well thats their thing, it may not be yours lol :)
christscayla 2 years ago
...there were 3 more talks that went along with it, that adressed other points, so the ending really was a lead to the next part. also he actually just asks a question in it "what if he has?" your answer to that could be -he hasn't! lol
I'm not posting on behalf of Mr Wilson so i could indeed be wrong about all this. !!
weesh3 2 years ago
i think the song is by tim hughes. kannyweb, i see your points, to be honest i was in the talk that andrew did, it makes a lot more sense in this video once you have heard the talk. afaik this was just a summery of his talk and put up here to help us remember his main points, but i certainly myselt would never have a concersation with anyone just using these points! there is much more to the talk. Furthermore the talks title was "how did we get here" ...
weesh3 2 years ago
what song is this?
pinky9597 2 years ago
Furthernore, this videos purpose is its undoing. Sure, you've provided 'evidence' (and I use the term loosely) for a God, but how can you justify it is 'your God', and not Allah or Brahma. If you wish to address anything I have said then your comments are more than welcome.
Lots of love,
Tim
kannywab 2 years ago
Hi kannywab,
well first of all let me just start of by saying that god of the Muslims "allah" is also the abrahamic god of the christians and jews.. it's just one of the many names for the same god.. and i would also like to mention that there is no such thing as "your god" or "my god" or the "christian god" because there's no specific set list of rule which describes what the christian/jewish/muslim god is like, i think it's more about justifying that only one god exists..
aandj292 2 years ago
because our evidence is Jesus
other religions dont believe in Jesus
other than Jews, but they believe in the Christian God
BleedingHeartsCry 2 years ago
What are your sources for this assertion? Are you telling me Muslims don't believe in Jesus? Get your facts staright, supernaturalist!!
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
This video proves nothing. The big bang theory was put forward as an answer to the big question. Many other theories have been put forward, but this one has been supported by the most SCIENTIFIC PROOF. I find it hard not to laugh at some of the more obvious questions in there (for example 'what caused the stars and planets to form afterwards' - ever heard of gravity and nuclear fusion?)
kannywab 2 years ago
it proves everything....i have a question for an awnser of your question ''ever heard of gravity and nuclear fusion'' my awnser is alos a question.....how did the gravity get there?...how was there nuclear fusion?....how did nuclear fusion be there?....there are infinite questions i could ask u
NinjaRat10FromRS 2 years ago
what if u had 15 roulette wheels.....what if on each of those wheels there was a billion nubmers.......all those numbers all had to be exactly certain numbers...that makes 15-billion..the chances of us being here are.. about 15 : 15billion.....thats 1 in a billion....
thats just the chaces of use being here..so what if u understood that and just said it happend by chance...and what if it just did?....ok lets say that
NinjaRat10FromRS 2 years ago
lets say we had just been here bye chance?....waht cause evolution.....?.....what caused us being here...
why do MILLIONS OF PEOPLE ROUDN THE WORLD BELIVE IN A GOD?
WHY DO EVEN PEOPLE LIKE SCIENTESTS THAT TRY TO PROVE THAT GOD DOES NOT EXIST AND JESUS ISNT REAL
well ill ask u this....
WHY DO THOSE VERY PEOPLE ACTULLY PROVE THAT JESUS EXISTED?!?!?..
THATS WHAT HAS HAPPEND!!!!!!
JESUS OUR GOD HAS BEEN RISEN FROM THE GRAVE!!!AND THERE IS SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NinjaRat10FromRS 2 years ago
Well we actually only have historic proof that Jesus existed, was crucified and that his tomb was empty. Everything else is just words. I am a Christian I'm just correcting.
donkeyscommand 2 years ago
Havn't we just been given scientific evidence? Isn't more likely that God exsists than the world just happened? If there is a God, then we have a meaning and a purpose and hope for our lives. If there isn't, we're just a bunch of atoms. I don't know about anyone else, but I want to know the perfect love that Jesus has offered to us. Why wouldn't you want a chance to have a happy ending? Who wouldn't?
withalittlegrace 2 years ago
"Isn't [it] more likely that God exsists than the world just happened?" - Well, no, frankly.
Are you really saying that you don't have any meaning in your life without your 'God'? What an empty little person you must be.
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
Yes, without the love of God I would be a meaningless, empty little person. That's why I'm so glad that I know Him. You really need to go to Newday, NitrousMcBread, and get a good argument for yourself before you do.
withalittlegrace 2 years ago
That's a shockingly depressing little assertion you've made. What tyranny and insecurity there is in the idea of a creator who offers an escape from meaninglessness only from those who profess unconditional love for him. And how massively ridiculous this concept is!!
As far as Newday goes, I've watched the videos and all I see is a roomful of overexcited moppets getting in a lather over incredibly bad indie music and screaming at men talking in American accents from the stage. Horrific.
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
Nitrous, He offers an escape to all of us. That's the Christian message. He loves us all, including you. But we accepted his love and you're fighting it. And by the way, there was only one American worship leader at Newday, and he didn't preach. Please stop stereotyping.
withalittlegrace 2 years ago
I didn't say they were American. I said they had American accents. Like when Elton John pathetically sings in an American accent. Don't accuse me of stereotyping, godboy. And don't tell me some two-thousand-year-old alleged zombie carpenter loves me. There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for any of the Christian myth. It was all created by men. You are trying to feather your own nest in an afterlife you have deluded yourself into believing in.
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
It is sad that you are so desperate to insult everything we believe in. Really, what's the use in it? God loves you. And I'm not just feathering my nest, I'm trying to make this crappy world a little bit better, so that more people (including me) can be happy, as well as go to heaven.
Nitrous, can you explain morals? Can you explain love? Can you explain healing and people being raised from the dead?
Christians can.
withalittlegrace 2 years ago
How exactly are you making the world better? How did it go selling everything you owned and giving the money to the poor, as your Jesus instructed? Do you have a job? What is it?
Supernaturalists have no monopoly on morailty. Religion is largely a force for evil i n the world. I work raising money for Third World aid, and without Christianity there'd be many, many less people dying all over the world. Your post is deluded; insane. What's this about people being raised from the dead??
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
@withalittlegrace Why is that atheists always sound so hateful and angry? What was it Yoda said? Don't give in to fear. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering. We are praying for your soul, Nitrous. You can hate Jesus all you want. He still loves you and wants to forgive you. See, we believe in a God who forgives. But he also gives us free will, and whether you chose to believe or is up to you. He doesn't force anyone against their will.
FoundingPrinciples 3 weeks ago
You sound like an absolute blithering idiot. Oh, do you have special needs? Sorry.
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
shut up ass..
NinjaRat10FromRS 2 years ago
So 'God' created black holes why...?
NitrousMcBread 2 years ago
@kannywab The question is, who made the laws that govern the universe? Apparently you missed the part with all the numbers. The point is, the odds of all these factors being just so to allow for the existence of stars and planets and life is beyond mere chance. It is completely logical and rational to conclude that there is some intellegence behind it all. How you define that intellence is up to you.
FoundingPrinciples 3 weeks ago
lol! that was funny XD
kimberey151 2 years ago
This is a reaallly good way of showing that it makes a lot more sense to have a creator than for everythingwe know to just be a product of chance, when it gets to the cross bit, its almost as if everything clicks, i love you Jesus
xxx
BleedingHeartsCry 2 years ago
This is great thank you it makes me think a lot. Love you Jesus!
chloem1993 2 years ago
12 - 14 meetings as a leader were still amazing! newday rules, especially 2009
grahamcknight 2 years ago
amazing video, newday was great
but why does the video repeat itself?
monkeydippedincheese 2 years ago
This is amazing, it really changes the way i think about it...
Nystia101 2 years ago
it plays twice lol i was at that 12-14's seminar and i remember the scooby doo noise lol this made me think alot.....i love newday..it was amazing at the healing thingymabobs adn how many ppl gave their life to christ..i enjoyed mike pilavachi..." and bring healing for his...face" lol
christscayla 2 years ago 7
awesome
studio3films 2 years ago
oh yeah this was played at the 12-14s meeting! :D
kimberey151 2 years ago
i was there it was SO good!!!
BabyDollyHolly 2 years ago
that was great, I guess that was played at the meeting.
pacman2468 2 years ago
There was a seminar called "Do you believe in evolution" I believe it was played at that.
(Curious why it runs twice here)
TheOneUK1111 2 years ago
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TheOneUK1111 2 years ago