As always you come up with some of the most thought provoking and relevant discussions. On the subject of philanthropy as you discussed it, I have to take a few exceptions. First, in almost every country no matter how impoverished there is already a system of haves and have-nots. It most often revolves around what we would see as fundamental issues of existence. Food clothing shelter etc. I am out of space so I guess I will be forced to make one of these videos to finish my thought...
A few points, charity is about providing very very basic necessities, with the hope that once the most basic needs are meant, members of a community and can better provide for themselves and eventually help others. But the idea that poor people don't know they're poor, verges on the absurd, even it they didn't, there exist a group of the extreme poor who lack clean water, health, food, and shelter. These are so poor cannot possibly better themselves or have even a basic quality of life.
People on here think that poor people don't get it. They do get it. There so many, I mean, SOOOOO many able bodied young people using welfare. A lot of them don't have children, and live with family members. It just that a lot of them can't find jobs, don't know how to get them, and lack work experience. The behavior is widely accepted, and they don't feel a need to get a job, or to even look for one. I think anybody that is able bodied and using welfare should also go through workforce programs
I've heard the idea that poor people are often poor by no fault of their own, but by preaching "equallity" to such an extreme as this, what you're really saying is each individual, with a few special exceptions I assume, actually has exactly the same merit, and that any unequal reward is cruel punishment. In the case of charity, which kids in Africa get a new house and which don't could be much more arbitrary, but even then, feeling that you're poor should only be a motivation to become richer.
i don't remember how i stumbled on your videos but they're incredibly engaging and always bring up points which can spread out into other pools of thought for me to think about, even if i'm not always on the same page. thank you for your sound logic and enlightening views.
I didn't think much of peeing and pooping until last week when I saw a program on the History Channel where they showed this Toto toilet that puts the seat down, washes the user's, plays music and flushes itself. I've been wanting to buy it since.
Charity is the legal and best method for image conscious businesses to attempt to disguise cheap practices of employing people with low was and especially then newest strategy to hire part-time instead of full-time thus increasing net profit for very few. Look for Open Secrets and WikiLeaks. Thank you Proteanview.
Exactly, even feeding starving people. Raising the carrying capacity of a nation doesn't save people from starvation, it merely saves everyone from starvation in one of their generations, which may even result in MORE starving when their children can't be fed. Their civilizations are based on having many children so that at least a few will survive the life's trials. Interfering with other cultures on a generational and evolutionary scale only when absolutely necessary is true philanthropy.
i remember Milton Friedman saying walfare was the worst anti-negro policy. give people opportunity, not hand outs, this goes for all those economically disadvantaged, of course the liberal/pc/iwanttolookgood crowd tore him apart, sometimes doing right is not satisfying your own compassion at face value.
@igotsissues- this comment was directed at the commenter below me "lamebrainmccain" comment about black people being on welfare, if you read the comments in the order they fall. I had no problem with the video at all. And I stated it was a good video. Satisfied boss?
Great video. I do not understand why so many Caucasians still equate welfare with African-Americans. Welfare isn't really a relevant issue with us and hasn't been for almost 20 years. Most welfare recipients are other races of people. Most of us make way lower salaries than whites, but we tend to compensate by working multiple jobs. The white low wage earner will supplement their salary with welfare, ie..wal-mart workers for example. There aren't too many whites that will work more than 1 job.
@redbonegal This video has nothing to do with race and yet you go on and on about it. Why is it that black peeps can only understand a video if they make it about blackness? Listen to the video again sister
Here's my theory, pro. Many American blacks are trapped in poverty because they receive just enough welfare to survive and thus do not have to work.
Perhaps the best thing we could do is force these blacks to get jobs. They would get an education, self esteem, in addition to some money they'd appreciate.
Did this concept of "helping" originate with religious missionaries? ...people from centuries ago tasked to "bring to the savage the Word of God?" There seem to be a few aboriginal Peoples that continue to reject the modern for the traditional, but their numbers are few considering. I've yet to learn of one tribe, in recent history, that completely rejects modern conveniences such as clothing, needles, knives, filtered cigarettes, pots & pans, motors for their watercraft, etc.
The ? that isn't being addressed is why we have a system which needs philanthropy & charity in the 1st place? - a system that allows charity is a system that already exist as inequality - if a person isn't asking that ?, they aren't REALLY interested in an actual change, but only feeling 'good' - charity is shortsighted, not taking All into consideration or the potential outflows which as you mention, creates even wider gaps of inequality.
The solution is an Equal Money System - do the research.
@LLCraver indeed charity keeps the system in place of which it tries to ease the consequences: that many people end up having not enough money to live.
EMS, the Equal Money System will make sure that everyone gets an equal amount of money for the basic necessities of life. So that money supports life instead of profit and greed.
Proteanview, I think you are rather smart and thought provoking. I understand where you are coming from, but I disagree with your arguement because it rests upon the assumption that people don't "know" they are poor. Unless these said people live in some area with little to no outside contact, they would probably picked up upon the fact of inequalities eventually. Im not trying to troll, but I think you should consider that point.
Really good video. I am not a specific philosophy either, that I subscribe to. I sort of think education and work create wealth though, at least in America. Especially education, in America. Creating wealth I am not sure can be done through a redistribution of wealth, because wealth can only be created through one's education and work. Nice video though.
"Click Language" and the San Bushmen People oldest people geneticaly on earth. ancient tribe of people their distant relatives left Africa , from them stem every colour, creed and nationality, their numbers are dwindling and soon could be gone. They have an incredible language, they speak with clicks and other sounds.
I think we should help the bushman, cause they are genetically the oldest humans and their anccestors left Africa, and modern africans, westerners and asians are gentically related to them. they are thought to have the oldest language using various clicking sound made with their tongue combined with constanants.
That's why I love Turkey they have so much respect for their people and allow for Nomadic lifestyle to exsist within their burgeoning society. I marvel in the fact that Man even today, live around the world as they did three hundred years ago. I went to Cuba recently and those people are happy and consider themselves to be rich with family values. You know a teenage person wouldn't be cussing their parents in Cuba as they do in other western societies.
people in america think that people are poor because they dont have the same stuff that we do. has somebody every asked people in "need" what they actually need/want instead of forcing western culture upon them? some people may not have the same stuff and think they are rich. one culture might think of having sheep is a sign of wealth. another might say how much land, cows, etc. do they ever think that we are poor in the way of their culture?
Deep shit son ! Absolutely on spot. That's the whole point behind communism ! The point is not to improve the lot of the poor - but simply to murder the rich so the poor don't have to envy them :)
Philanthropy is often to make the giver feel good and/or store up good deeds in heaven or something. Children & many adults are driven to try and get the wild or zoo animal to take food from them; we're hard wired to this through natural selection.
If you want to give, give to groups like Oxfam that provide safe water sources, assist projects within local economies as well as give emergency relief when needed, not to churches that proseletyse & stick half your gift in priests' pockets.
Some rich people disgust me; I spoke to a friend of me whom tried to quite literally suggest she had a poor life because during her parents divorce her horse was sold. I stood aghast at how an individual could state such. I'm working class; most of the time we have food on the table; we live each week and try to keep up to pay rent; but I'm grateful. Rich people; yes I'm speaking generally have no understanding of struggle; in the full sense of the word.
@ForImperium Rich people get their by working hard. Their children are the ones who pay for that because they are spoon-fed everything in their life instead of being diligent and working themselves, and that's their parents fault (in general).
Very true. For most the meaning of life is working. People back home quite literally work themselves to the day they die. But lack of wealth inspires one to develop a certain nature. The poor people I know are some of the most motivated individuals I've met; they have discipline; a strong work ethic and ambition.
The wealthy can still instill that a good days hard work is rewarding. The Germans have a saying; Albeit Macht Frei; work liberates you. This should be universal.
I love this flipside to what is normally considered an altruistic and perfectly virtuous behavior. I think philanthropy while ignoring the subsequent disparity is what a lot of early colonists had in mind when in First Nations America. Despite this downside however, I think that we should keep on giving. If it is a choice between helping 40% and helping 0% I think I woul take the 40%. Even if that 40% would hurt the other 60%.
...d) What about the 1000s of African footballers who make millions in Europe. Are they to turn their backs on their former communities because it might screw them up psychologically?
What you dont have you dont miss eh? Tell that to the millions of kids who die of malaria and bad hygiene every year.
I have an honest question so I hope it comes off as nothing more. What acts of charity are alright? would it be okay to do stuff like habitat for humanity here in the us?
True, it doesn't work to just help a few people rise above the rest. But in countries where they don't have food and water, something needs to be done. Educate them to grow better crops. Teach them to provide for themselves.
You are talking about the failure of the trickle down - free market myth- economy. We suffer just as '3rd world' poorer nations do when the wealthy are treated to socialized public bail-outs and we ourselves are left to scratch and claw to keep our noses above water. The same rules do not apply to all. We are fed bullshit and kept in the dark while shining 'free market' socialists are too big (or too well connected) to fail. And too self important for common decency and fairness.
thanks so much for adding me, i feel privileged. you are my favorite person on youtube right now, and i've watched a lot of commentaries. keep it up. i hope to contribute more comments and views to your videos.
I'm very political and I can't help but take many of your thoughts on universal ideas such as this poverty and disparity, and apply them specifically to American politics, in this case, you've perfectly described the reason why many Americans with two cars and a flat screen still think they are poor because they don't have what Bill Gates has, I'm not a religious man but I think the word they typically use is envy, tricky stuff
I can't seem to find an article linking clinical depression and poverty levels so if any of you can then PM me.
Im a little curious if you think education is a better way to help these countries. I read a book for my cultural anthropology class about someone headed down into deep Africa to teach about malnutrition in children. Do you believe that kind of philantropy would cause a feeling of poverty?
Amazing..!This is what i think too..poverty is relevant and if wealth was only created as a means of becoming happier and we now know that its not an panacea to happiness either, we should not think thats the solution for others problems!
Moreover charity is the worst vulgarity invented by man. In a world where everything belongs to everyone equally, religion and culture has divided the wealth as an reward for work, in reality we r no one to give, its everyone birth right to take from the tree!
Some who are poor can find a way to find happiness or the dice may tumble just right so they have a happy life, but I think more often the reality is poor people suffer much more in many ways in comparison with people who have plenty of money. All people suffer but if you have money & resources that suffering can be diminished & if you don't it can be made much worse.People in the middle suffer a lot also, this is related to economics & class & other dynamics...no suffering should ridiculed
Thats true people in the middle play an important role in america. Middle class people are the main reason why this nation is so great. We have a high middle class rate in the US and that is the reason why we have so many successful banks and corporations. Almost everyones dream in the US is to live middle class because are living standards are so high.
interesting when you use the word "attack," that poverty needs to be attacked. i feel "attack" is the wrong word and ideology (but is probably the dominant ideology in America when it comes to dealing poverty) - i also think it's misleading to think of poverty as a disease or an ill. poverty is what it is. and how we in the west perceive poverty is crucial to HOW we engage with struggling communities, how we are able to empathize and be sincere about our understandings of poverty and humanity.
You're right getting people out of poverty is not the problem. The problem is getting poverty out of people's surroundings. To slowly heal the people in need so that they may rise needs more than money, this goal needs understanding.
You unlike that hatefull cunt bettyloutumor actually have videos up...I can respect that...Still blocke you though...Thanks for hammering my ratings...Real Mature...and listening to you, you're fucking delusional!
Government handouts perpetuate and create poverty. Give a man a fish and he will ask for another; teach a man to fish and he will feed himself for life. Read the "Gospel of Wealth".
Ppl gotta understand what he's saying. The natives were ok. Spirituality over material. The worst part about this fact is that the west knows EXACTLY what they are doing.
man i love these thought provoking notions and discussions, i truly wish there was a place in my community I could meet with other likeminded people whos interestes are in bettering themselevs and understanding the life around them....as opposed to getting wasted everynight
@uwmbigb Start it yourself darling, Don't wait for anything to happen ok. Being the architect of your own life is wonderful. Make sure to find a hall with clean toilets and comfy chairs. Have small nibbles and juice. Or ask people to bring their own refreshments. Begin a page on Facebook. Tell people the address and time. You'll be surprised how creating your own world can be so simple. Enjoy it. x
I fully agree with this setiment and the only way I have found to bring it to fruition thus far is to open the discussion to those around you and those you meet in the day to day. Many are close minded and many are open continue with knowledge truth and wisdom
@uwmbigb i know i'm being a nitpicky asshole here, but Ernest Hemingway bettered himself and understood life around him aided by, or perhaps even due to, *drum roll* "getting wasted everynight."
Ridiculous video. Starvation, disease, war and famine are a part of the cultures of failed states? I saw this guy's other videos and it made perfect sense that he would be a libertarian wacko, because only they could come up with such a delusional version of reality.
What you have to remember is the fact that the things you mention were not necessarily prevalent until other people who thought they were doing them a favor came in and started messing with their traditional subsistence strategies. This is exactly what ProteanView is talking about: what happened to MAKE the situation of starvation, disease and war?
... Other people coming in and telling these people that the way they are living is wrong and failing to install the necessary infrastructure to support the values they are instilling on the natives.
I must emphasize the word PREVALENT in my post, because it seems that you think I said they didn't exist AT ALL. I wasn't saying that, and I wouldn't make such a ridiculous statement. I only said that these things weren't on such a large scale as they are today because there used to be perfectly valid subsistence patterns that made the original cultures possible in the first place.
Your premise about my argument being incorrect is incorrect.
your post does nothing to change the wrongness of your assertion.
Wars WERE prevalent throughout human history, external forces or not. Same with disease and famine (famine linked to weather, disease linked to..well, environmental factors as well).
As to the "scale" comment, that's irrelevant too. By the fact *that* this is modern times, hence advancements in technology and the sort, there are MORE people today than there have been before. That doesn't change anything., however.
they STILL happened on a COMPARATIVELY large scale due to factors that come from NON-EXTERNAL STIMULI. The weather has, and still remains, a deciding factor for famine. Environment remains today the determining factor in disease, though that's beginning to change to do a large-scale increase in the migratory capabilities of our times (see: technology), etc. Wars have been going on (large scale, comparatively) since our infancy as a species.
This is not to argue that external stimuli aren't factors, or even significant ones, but it's by far not the way you paint it. If modern technology was present in pre-modern times, then we would see the "large-scaleness" that we see now, back then. If global warming was happening back then, then we'd see the changes in famine patterns and what not that we see now, back then. Etc. Modern circumstances are affected by modern variables, but war famine and disease have remained a constant existence.
The thing that people who perform these altruistic actions always take something from their world and introduce it into someone else' world. What they fail to realize is they don't just take the good with them when they do.
It's like when Australians introduced a certain toad into their ecosystem to kill beetles who were eating crops. Instead of eating beetles, the frogs overpopulated and then began running other creatures out of the habitat.
You're a bigger man than me, I'd NEVER admit to having watched Oprah willingly.
J/K
obviously I have or I couldn't have come to any conclusion
That aside, this is a very interesting view. I'd have to disagree about introducing disparity, or on the details of the disparity or the disruptive effect it is alleged to have. I bet there are already elites who lived in comparable housing. The disparity now is in providing this housing to those who weren't historically elite. Is such disruption bad?
the relativity between poverty stricken and wealthy societies is not undone by the handouts. Poor people have television sets you know... They know!!!! They dont live on some other planet. News happens to get around. European and US und Canadian Dogs get meat to eat while Haitians eat dirt-cakes from the soil... they see a pedigree pal add and they KNOW! lol... your argument is kinda preglobalization.
Really? So you're telling me that the tribes in the deep amazon have TV's? The people of deep Africa receive the newspaper or surf the net?
It's a very good point about what happens when you introduce a foreign thing into a society.
How about this example; So aliens come to visit us. In their attempts to help our world, they give say... the Polish a brand new technology, but only the Polish. Now, everyone in the world wants it, creating a new disparity amongst the whole world.
I heartily agree with most of what you've said. There are African nations whose textile industry has been completely bankrupted by Salvation Army donations.
They send millions of tons of cast off American clothes there and dump them on the docks for anybody who wants them. Nobody buys clothes as a result. No purchases= no industry=no jobs=poverty
I notice that you don't mention "giving" intangibles, such as teaching such people logic, sound reasoning/critical thinking skills, and scientific interpretive methodologies. Those both help the lives of the (willing and committed) individuals you teach, *and* they can just as simply teach it to those around them after you leave.
And it's better for *everyone in the world* when there are more people living rationally. If the standard is rationality, America's the poorest country.
I will agree on this with you, however, poverty is not relevant it is what it is, now I'll tell you the reason why there are shitty houses with no running water in third world countries and not here, there are no regulations or inspectors in those countries like there is here. every house here has to pass inspection, over there people just all cramp up in grandma's house ans possibly inherit it if they get to live longer than 40. Why? cuz the government doesn't care. be grateful of what we have
In spite of Right Wing demonization of Great Society programs...these programs for the most part worked...Head Start, PBS, Medicare are still with us today. The US standard of living reached its absolute peak just after the Great Society...it's been downhill ever since (except for the top 3% of the nation).
Many Academics in the Development field realize exactly what you are saying.with the balance of harm and good. Colonialism continues in many ways... There are so many examples of the West causing harm, even with the best of intentions... villages created around military and humanitary installments, bringing ideas of prostitution and self loathing to communities that never had it...etc etc... Outsiders can help but not leade as a rule.. we have to remember we are guests,not owners.
it won't let me post a link, but wikipedia has a good layout of Ted Kaczynski's work. Its exactly what you are saying about conveniences creating inconveniences...
I agree~that it would be better to help the whole community by making sure there was an education system in place for everybody. Like it would be more useful to build a hundred basic schools where thousands can go & be educated & feel equal, than to build one shiny school where just a few elite can go~
True that good intentions often give bad results. All too often money and projects given to poor nations are wasted or badly planned, or pilfered by local authorities, to the point that they accomplish nothing.
Still there are projects, like microbanking, that actually are more than photo-ops for liberals. Also, written laws (not arbitrary Sharia), land ownership, and other basic freedoms are shown to improve conditions the world over, more even than the donation of money.
PART2: There are children in Africa that tie their jackets and sweaters around their stomachs so tight to try and trick their bodies into thinking that they are full ( they do it to take away the hunger pains) that sounds pretty horrible i dont see how anyone wouldn't want to feed that/those child(ren)
You know what? I actually never thought about it from that angle before, that's a very good point. However I don't think it will keep me from wanting to help people though, especially the starving children that's didn't ask to be born into such a shitty situation.
There are just so many good orgainzations out there today I dont really understand what ur getting at... digging wells, giving cows and chickens, Bill Gates now working to eradicate malaria from the earth. There are many problems with simple solutions and I feel we need to lend a helping hand.
Thing is that, given the chance, people will generally pursue a high standard of living, without any regard for issues of equality of outcome. That's why globalization has been such a massive success ever since the seventies.
That said, it is true that charity can create skewed incentives, and turn otherwise productive members of society into angsty dependents. But still, as long as it remains a voluntary exchange of value, the incentives problem can be considered entrepreneurial in nature.
You make a very valid point protean. Its alomst like the Proletarian party in 1984. They dont know they're impoverished b/c their needs are so simple and they are all being met so they are happy. But I think Gromins point is superior. The cats out of the bag for alot of these ppl, their seeing how the west lives, and thus their wants are elevated. And in some cases, their basic survival needs arent met. Heh Im pretty sure starvation produces a universal feeling of despairity.
Problem is when we are aware of how little people have in the world, we find we want to help them. But it always ends the same in that we can't help everyone from poverty.
This time I really dont agree with ur video. If they didnt wanna b helped, ok. But most of those poor ppl already have the perception that they r poor n know that in Europe or USA ppl have things they wanna have too. Thats why a lot of them emmigrate. N there already is a huge disparity in those countries n criminality is already a great problem (like here in Rio). N theres another thing. Ppl need food. It doesnt matter in what kind of culture u live. A lot of ppl in Africa f.e. have no food.
After the Russian revolution, 26 million people wre killed by Stalin (their own Armaggedon).
These were senior engineers, army officers, and dissloyal workers.
If you consider yourself "indispensable", you are probably right. But ENYONE who can be replaced, is either gonna be a slave or dead. They may well exterminate huge parts of the people.
Nothing matters any more, other than the factthat the WORLD is about to be subjected to a FACIST govt.
NOTHING is as important as this because nothing else will exist, once it all starts. These FEMA camps are real, and while Obama builds a massive, heavily armed police force, there is no point talking about anything else.
Once you are in those camps, you will have NO influence over anything.
And everone thinks they wont be the ones. Look at history, and you see its EVERYONE who suffers.
i c ur point. but i believe in progression. ur argument followsthe "want not -need not" thing. and by introducing new desires, people will c what most will not have. thus causing despair and destruction/merging of culture.
well i believe that in order to advance as a species, we need to work together and move forward. culture is nice, but people need to stop clinging to the past and see that is necessary to change as this fast pace world is evolving. we make our own lives and tradition.
sorry dawg, put me in the don't agree column. I know you are only trying to help me but giving a brother a laig up is absolutely necessary and citing human weakness involved in the reaction if that really happens is no excuse to sit idly by and watch suffering. We as 'mericans tip the whole equalibrium everyday, everywhere...
I think most people live in societies where there is some imbalance in wealth anyway. If some people within a class in that society suddenly got a leg up purely out of luck, I doubt their former peers would ostrecise them for it, people don't frown upon people that win the lottery do they?
"Common sense isn't so common' as I have seen some where before. So the fact is many have ignorance to others lives. You know the saying about trying on another persons shoes. Well many don't care to sadly. They are just clueless and get depressed about their own life. There are a few in the world that care at least. To bad there is a conflict to the best way to handle things. Thanks for your video.
Sir-your real-Finally,an intelligence that speaks-I am a 35 year old white man, and I respect your outlook-you actually think-white,black,german,jew,Indian,whatever-lets start thinking,and do something good for the human race instead of relying on bullshit religion!
religion and faith are not always the same. Many people use their religion as a justification for doing things, when its not their rel, but their choice. They dont have the balls to say its their choice. I believe in God, and my church is within my heart
If I had my way. I would open a FREE birth control clinic in every corner, all aver the world. Specially in poor areas and would teach poor people basic math. When someone tells me: "Have a child to get Welfare or get some money back from the IRS.Population growth is grater among the poor and uneducated is much greater than among the rich.
yeah, it's one thing to do but not the only thing. Like you said, upper income people tend to have smaller families. So I think one of thing you could do to curb population growth is educating ppl and having a framework in which they can improve their standard of living and real incomes. Of course, that isn't something that can be done very well with foreign aid. It has to be done by their own homelands respecting private property and allowing enough economic freedom.
very deep because when I was young I grew up poor...but guess what I never considered myself poor until I went to school for the first time in a rich school district...the lights came on...this was the catalyst for some self image issues that I still struggle with even though im not poor...when pple are aware of there percieved lack they begin to struggle to acheive what they think they dont have and this Does cause them to be worse than before thy recieved the help....
Good stuff here. I hope that the aid is going to the poor in these societies.
I have never felt certain I understood the mentality of the chariatble. Do they give out of guilt or a desire to help or for the recognition of being a "good person" in the eyes of others. It may be a mix of all three.
well,it's like what Laozi say."give a man a fish,you feed him for a day.teach a man to fish,you feed him for a lifetime."the only way to save africa and rural south america nation is education and then job creation.
while that is a very good, there are ways in which people can help which do not create differencences within the society. One example would br to provide medical supplies to the local hospitals. The people who go to the hospital have would have no idea where the medication came from and would not create the want and need factor you spoke about, if these medical supplies are basic and simplsitic in the society which is being aided by westerners
What you are describing is a development economics idea: Relative Poverty. This is widely known to be more damaging than Absolute Poverty ( Being unable to maintain a decent material standard of living). Check the basic theory out on the World Bank website. Congrats on explaining it so lucidly :)
This leads to the idea that much of the social problems of the world are caused by political forces, and these are politics on a global scale. Instead of looking for things we can do to help, perhaps we should look for things we can stop doing because they hurt other parts of the world.
This is really a fascinating comment. This is a very interesting line of thought. I look forward to looking in on some of your other videos. Well done!
You have a great mind, A great thinking mind, thats has a high understanding od what things are and how they interect. You would be a perfect PRESIDENT. The world needs people like you as a leader.
While this may be true, I think too often people will NOT help on a personal, smaller scale and use this as an excuse. Example? Young woman wants to live on her own, is kicked out of her house. Doesn't want anything but a job, a studio apartment and a way to get to said job. No credit can stop the apartment even if she can afford it. Mandatory insurance can make it so she can barely scrape by with rent. Entry level jobs pay typically just under what one person needs for all of the above. (cont)
For every well-to-do complaining 20-something, there are at the least 20 of what I describe above. I think people who grew up in a different time fail to realize just how much harder it can be to stake out on your own. I spoke to one parent I know recently and really described the landscape out there as it is RIGHT NOW. When I got into my first apartment, it was easy. First job? Easily paid my rent/gas/utilities/car. It's not the same now, period. But this doesn't really address your main point.
one big problem with philantropIST"s is that they are often times dualist (like the cathars). so in other words they are trying to fill up some "good" things to "balance" their evil deeds. dualism is a practice of most elite illuminists (yes illuminati). but "balancing" for these people can be cancelling out good deeds and justification to do more evil. they can kill thousands of people in the wtc attacks and then give haiti10 million. then they miht feel free to kill thousands more...ridiculous
point taken, but your generalization ignores the fact that not all charity focuses on western style gains...some of these regions have been decimated directly by western influence in the first place, not to mention environmental destruction, draught, civl war, social instability...these require help since external factors have disrupted the balance already.
And there are basic needs: a well in a dry village, food production, etc.
Not all help generates western consumers though western eyes.
Not really the same thing. But i got a cousin who lives in the Dominican Republic, he has a small house quite nice, grows his own food. Generates is own electricity for hot water. Does'nt drive. He is not rich. But lives better than say an Investment Banker.
He does the things his life, with no particular aims. Has a Barbeque nearly everyday, goes windsurfing, has a sexy wife. Then you got losers LIKE ME who work 10.5 hr days for their DREAM job in a corporation.
if success and greed were not the motivating factor of american lives then every1 would have a fair shot to live or survive. i find it interesting that all some people do is pose more problems instead of trying to analyze what these youtube authors are saying and realizing that they for the most part are right. all u ppl do is make excuses....if u understood what he is saying and were not biased u would agree...denial is a disease and im sure most of u are just like this....send em money...lol
Comparison creates vanity in supposed superiority, or bitterness in supposed envy... Fiat currencies create pseudo pragmatical people. (deluded with an imaginary falsehood of helpfulness) In that its the right approach to the wrong. Christianity is another word for self involved , over indulged, privileged and spoiled brats bent on dogmatic euphoria, seeing a world needed to be converted based on leper messianic delusions.
This is very enlightening. For instance, I am filipino. And the export in the Philippines are humans. We go to different countries and send money to wives, husbands, parents, children, and siblings. But not only can this create a disparity for those who dont have people that send money. But I also believe that sending money does not create wealth for the country. Sending money doesnt create jobs or raise the standard of living. We need to export goods and services.
I agree, I was going to mention that this was along the thinking of Ayn Rand, but you did that yourself, towards the end. Giving people a living isn't of value, teaching people how to make a living is. That's the difference between welfare and education.
You're wrong. There is very few places on this earth that Western ideals have not pervaded. You would be more correct if this video was made in the 40's or 50's. Now the creation of the school is for catch-up purposes that is present in the culture now.
I really enjoy the way you look at things. You are a all considered person. People see the layer, but you see the form. The all around shape. And you do not give your opinion as much as you give out consideration.
I'm really glad you linked this vid to the missionary deconversion vid - knowing you are poor and knowing you are damned are very similar propositions!
This reminds me of the thought sometime that I think we'd be better off as cave men and women...or similiar since there aren't too many caves around here.
It's not only perceptual disparities causing disenchantment among a population which are a problem. There is also the damage done by well-meaning groups like Doctors Without Borders which cause huge imbalances in population by working to decrease infant mortality rates and increase life expectancy. Saving lives sounds like a noble aim. But to ignore the impact sudden, unnatural population growth has on a people imperils their overall wellbeing and future in ways which are not easily fixed.
But this effect is unevitavle. Say, figuratively, we help a community in extreme poverty, a community that KNOWs its poor. No food, illness, and overpopulation. If we were to help them (buying wells, housing, roads- nessesities in every culture), what will the richer, but nessearily out of poverty, communities react? This is inevitable, although it can be lessened with understanding of thier culture, it cannot be eliminated unless the would is100% uniform in it's living custom (also impossible)
it's because millions of people go to see that one actors movie, and millions of people watch that guys baseball game. The reason they make that kind of $ is because of you and me being entertained by them. It's basic econ.
It's true to say that you're creating inequality...but at the same time, you might be creating an entreprenurial class that will lift the society as whole, however slightly in the short-term. I realize that in order to accept this notion, you have to somewhat buy into trickle-down economics. And of course there will be exploitation/problematic inequity. But the greed you speak of will motivate them toward economic growth...if you are able to say greed is good.
I think we should do all we can to move the poor people out of poverty. This of course should be accomplished by private organizations and people. If that means providing a solar stove, to a household in one community, in India, or Pakistan, or parts of Africa, and that creates inequality in that community, or even the possible murder of the stove owner, for the stove itself. So be it.
You can give a fish to a hungry person, but is cruel to not teach them to catch their own.
external manifestations of success are poor indicators of a persons integrity or worth.
It is unfortunate that in the US people have been led to believe that a person is successful if they drive an expensive car or live in a valuable house or wear expensive cloths, when in reality these mean nothing.
I see very nice cars around all the time but I don't want the debt associated with them so I'm not really influenced by that mentality. I guess I never have been...which I consider fortunate.
i have lived on less than £5000 a year all my life, will never earn more than that, and feel richer than everyone i know :)
Money is what ruins man, whatever amount, trying to extract morality from money goes like this, the more you have the more of a c**t you are. lol
I dont give to charities as there all proven to be complete liars, my charity is the time i spend making complete strangers feel less strange :) The comment below justifying the rockefeller clan sickens me.
I agree with your general point that generosity can create disparity.However, it does make a difference in the lives of the few that can be helped,and provided we are able to offer assistance voluntarily and not in a coerced manner,I do not see anything wrong with that.Having said that, there is be a better way of helping people where they need it other than giving them a hand-out. As the old saying goes, give a man a fish,you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish,you feed him for a lifetime.
That's exactly true! - there's a great book by Tom Woods Jr. called the "politically incorrect guide to American History", Woods talks about Rockefeller and all the great things he made,- he shows how quickly people turn from appreciating the new wonderful thing introduced into the society, to expecting and demanding it - and then, when confronted with the slightest inconvenience, the population is quick to vilify him, for raising prices on goods he himself invented, built and produced.
As always you come up with some of the most thought provoking and relevant discussions. On the subject of philanthropy as you discussed it, I have to take a few exceptions. First, in almost every country no matter how impoverished there is already a system of haves and have-nots. It most often revolves around what we would see as fundamental issues of existence. Food clothing shelter etc. I am out of space so I guess I will be forced to make one of these videos to finish my thought...
catdanc 3 months ago in playlist Proteanview Playlist
A few points, charity is about providing very very basic necessities, with the hope that once the most basic needs are meant, members of a community and can better provide for themselves and eventually help others. But the idea that poor people don't know they're poor, verges on the absurd, even it they didn't, there exist a group of the extreme poor who lack clean water, health, food, and shelter. These are so poor cannot possibly better themselves or have even a basic quality of life.
blackpopeHU 6 months ago
People on here think that poor people don't get it. They do get it. There so many, I mean, SOOOOO many able bodied young people using welfare. A lot of them don't have children, and live with family members. It just that a lot of them can't find jobs, don't know how to get them, and lack work experience. The behavior is widely accepted, and they don't feel a need to get a job, or to even look for one. I think anybody that is able bodied and using welfare should also go through workforce programs
seeking911 6 months ago
I've heard the idea that poor people are often poor by no fault of their own, but by preaching "equallity" to such an extreme as this, what you're really saying is each individual, with a few special exceptions I assume, actually has exactly the same merit, and that any unequal reward is cruel punishment. In the case of charity, which kids in Africa get a new house and which don't could be much more arbitrary, but even then, feeling that you're poor should only be a motivation to become richer.
eggory 6 months ago
i don't remember how i stumbled on your videos but they're incredibly engaging and always bring up points which can spread out into other pools of thought for me to think about, even if i'm not always on the same page. thank you for your sound logic and enlightening views.
walidb123 7 months ago
God your videos are a breath of fresh air.
Topgeneral3070 8 months ago
LOL. What you said is so true.
I didn't think much of peeing and pooping until last week when I saw a program on the History Channel where they showed this Toto toilet that puts the seat down, washes the user's, plays music and flushes itself. I've been wanting to buy it since.
Vamavid 8 months ago
Charity is the legal and best method for image conscious businesses to attempt to disguise cheap practices of employing people with low was and especially then newest strategy to hire part-time instead of full-time thus increasing net profit for very few. Look for Open Secrets and WikiLeaks. Thank you Proteanview.
airforcemax 9 months ago
Exactly, even feeding starving people. Raising the carrying capacity of a nation doesn't save people from starvation, it merely saves everyone from starvation in one of their generations, which may even result in MORE starving when their children can't be fed. Their civilizations are based on having many children so that at least a few will survive the life's trials. Interfering with other cultures on a generational and evolutionary scale only when absolutely necessary is true philanthropy.
EthanNin0 10 months ago
i remember Milton Friedman saying walfare was the worst anti-negro policy. give people opportunity, not hand outs, this goes for all those economically disadvantaged, of course the liberal/pc/iwanttolookgood crowd tore him apart, sometimes doing right is not satisfying your own compassion at face value.
tigerfedor1 11 months ago
@igotsissues- this comment was directed at the commenter below me "lamebrainmccain" comment about black people being on welfare, if you read the comments in the order they fall. I had no problem with the video at all. And I stated it was a good video. Satisfied boss?
redbonegal 1 year ago
Great video. I do not understand why so many Caucasians still equate welfare with African-Americans. Welfare isn't really a relevant issue with us and hasn't been for almost 20 years. Most welfare recipients are other races of people. Most of us make way lower salaries than whites, but we tend to compensate by working multiple jobs. The white low wage earner will supplement their salary with welfare, ie..wal-mart workers for example. There aren't too many whites that will work more than 1 job.
redbonegal 1 year ago
@redbonegal This video has nothing to do with race and yet you go on and on about it. Why is it that black peeps can only understand a video if they make it about blackness? Listen to the video again sister
igotsissues 1 year ago
hmm very good points
blasphemite 1 year ago
Here's my theory, pro. Many American blacks are trapped in poverty because they receive just enough welfare to survive and thus do not have to work.
Perhaps the best thing we could do is force these blacks to get jobs. They would get an education, self esteem, in addition to some money they'd appreciate.
LameBrainMcCain 1 year ago
Did this concept of "helping" originate with religious missionaries? ...people from centuries ago tasked to "bring to the savage the Word of God?" There seem to be a few aboriginal Peoples that continue to reject the modern for the traditional, but their numbers are few considering. I've yet to learn of one tribe, in recent history, that completely rejects modern conveniences such as clothing, needles, knives, filtered cigarettes, pots & pans, motors for their watercraft, etc.
SeekerKC 1 year ago
Dang. You have the gift of smartness. I like you.
SustenanceNCovering 1 year ago
The ? that isn't being addressed is why we have a system which needs philanthropy & charity in the 1st place? - a system that allows charity is a system that already exist as inequality - if a person isn't asking that ?, they aren't REALLY interested in an actual change, but only feeling 'good' - charity is shortsighted, not taking All into consideration or the potential outflows which as you mention, creates even wider gaps of inequality.
The solution is an Equal Money System - do the research.
LLCraver 1 year ago 5
@LLCraver indeed charity keeps the system in place of which it tries to ease the consequences: that many people end up having not enough money to live.
EMS, the Equal Money System will make sure that everyone gets an equal amount of money for the basic necessities of life. So that money supports life instead of profit and greed.
MartijndeGraaf1001 1 year ago 2
Proteanview, I think you are rather smart and thought provoking. I understand where you are coming from, but I disagree with your arguement because it rests upon the assumption that people don't "know" they are poor. Unless these said people live in some area with little to no outside contact, they would probably picked up upon the fact of inequalities eventually. Im not trying to troll, but I think you should consider that point.
chromelemon 1 year ago 5
Really good video. I am not a specific philosophy either, that I subscribe to. I sort of think education and work create wealth though, at least in America. Especially education, in America. Creating wealth I am not sure can be done through a redistribution of wealth, because wealth can only be created through one's education and work. Nice video though.
natedaug1 1 year ago
phm618 put it very well. I am also stunned and wish I could find people to have these discussions with. I wonder what you would call such a group ???
pmbarry497 1 year ago
i'm stunned at how much i agree with your videos
phm618 1 year ago
maybe creating that disparity speed up the evolution of that individual place?
my question is do we, or do they want to preserve their tradition and method of living.
jojoinhere 1 year ago
"Click Language" and the San Bushmen People oldest people geneticaly on earth. ancient tribe of people their distant relatives left Africa , from them stem every colour, creed and nationality, their numbers are dwindling and soon could be gone. They have an incredible language, they speak with clicks and other sounds.
opal1920able 1 year ago
I think we should help the bushman, cause they are genetically the oldest humans and their anccestors left Africa, and modern africans, westerners and asians are gentically related to them. they are thought to have the oldest language using various clicking sound made with their tongue combined with constanants.
opal1920able 1 year ago
this is true
i am tired of people being angry that they dont have a piece of technology they dont know how to use LOLOL
SpicyHam 1 year ago
Truly the world needs people like you :). you have a open mind and thoughtful knowledge :) . very insightful video Proteanview.
Have a nice day
mechaart 1 year ago
That's why I love Turkey they have so much respect for their people and allow for Nomadic lifestyle to exsist within their burgeoning society. I marvel in the fact that Man even today, live around the world as they did three hundred years ago. I went to Cuba recently and those people are happy and consider themselves to be rich with family values. You know a teenage person wouldn't be cussing their parents in Cuba as they do in other western societies.
ColaBling 1 year ago
@ColaBling Thats why I admire the amish in the US.
firemarshall007 1 year ago
people in america think that people are poor because they dont have the same stuff that we do. has somebody every asked people in "need" what they actually need/want instead of forcing western culture upon them? some people may not have the same stuff and think they are rich. one culture might think of having sheep is a sign of wealth. another might say how much land, cows, etc. do they ever think that we are poor in the way of their culture?
cybertiberium 1 year ago
hes got a point, he seems smarter than i thought.
yourmajezty 1 year ago
your point is right. you should only want what you need. maney has nothin to do with that.
marvelous2055 1 year ago
but the real reason people give to the very poor is to feel more rich.
g1981c 1 year ago
Deep shit son ! Absolutely on spot. That's the whole point behind communism ! The point is not to improve the lot of the poor - but simply to murder the rich so the poor don't have to envy them :)
g1981c 1 year ago
Philanthropy is often to make the giver feel good and/or store up good deeds in heaven or something. Children & many adults are driven to try and get the wild or zoo animal to take food from them; we're hard wired to this through natural selection.
If you want to give, give to groups like Oxfam that provide safe water sources, assist projects within local economies as well as give emergency relief when needed, not to churches that proseletyse & stick half your gift in priests' pockets.
queenastilon 1 year ago
Some rich people disgust me; I spoke to a friend of me whom tried to quite literally suggest she had a poor life because during her parents divorce her horse was sold. I stood aghast at how an individual could state such. I'm working class; most of the time we have food on the table; we live each week and try to keep up to pay rent; but I'm grateful. Rich people; yes I'm speaking generally have no understanding of struggle; in the full sense of the word.
ForImperium 1 year ago
@ForImperium Rich people get their by working hard. Their children are the ones who pay for that because they are spoon-fed everything in their life instead of being diligent and working themselves, and that's their parents fault (in general).
NathanAmbrose42 1 year ago
@NathanAmbrose42
Very true. For most the meaning of life is working. People back home quite literally work themselves to the day they die. But lack of wealth inspires one to develop a certain nature. The poor people I know are some of the most motivated individuals I've met; they have discipline; a strong work ethic and ambition.
The wealthy can still instill that a good days hard work is rewarding. The Germans have a saying; Albeit Macht Frei; work liberates you. This should be universal.
ForImperium 1 year ago
I love this flipside to what is normally considered an altruistic and perfectly virtuous behavior. I think philanthropy while ignoring the subsequent disparity is what a lot of early colonists had in mind when in First Nations America. Despite this downside however, I think that we should keep on giving. If it is a choice between helping 40% and helping 0% I think I woul take the 40%. Even if that 40% would hurt the other 60%.
josiah566 1 year ago
A very interesting video.
What you are saying about looking for things to do is similar to the idea of "surrogate activities" mentioned in the Unabomber manifesto.
Personally I take a dim view of charity generally..but I'm horrible so its probably just me.
Giradius 1 year ago
...d) What about the 1000s of African footballers who make millions in Europe. Are they to turn their backs on their former communities because it might screw them up psychologically?
What you dont have you dont miss eh? Tell that to the millions of kids who die of malaria and bad hygiene every year.
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
I totally disagree
A) You use the supposition that the world's poor are ignorant . Want & need. I reckon poor Africans are VERY aware what happens around them.
B) You use capitalist ideology as though it is ingrained in the very fabric of space & every perception should be made relative to it.
c) The west has pillaged Africa for over 3000 years. Give something back - YES. On a gargantuan scale.
cont...
TheElasticJesus 1 year ago
shit, never thought of it like that.
good vid man
Angloth 1 year ago
I have an honest question so I hope it comes off as nothing more. What acts of charity are alright? would it be okay to do stuff like habitat for humanity here in the us?
twizelby 1 year ago
yet another very good point.
leinadwerdnazelaznog 1 year ago
True, it doesn't work to just help a few people rise above the rest. But in countries where they don't have food and water, something needs to be done. Educate them to grow better crops. Teach them to provide for themselves.
pulsedrop 1 year ago
Well said, and I agree.
jackinla8 1 year ago
Interesting.
But I would like to say this doesn't apply to those who are so poor they don't have enough food to live on. Those people do know they need food.
TheDemonataLeader 2 years ago
Poverty is unnecessary. It is greed that causes poverty.
Poverty to me is wondering how you will feed your family today. Its wondering if you can afford to go to the doctor.
That's not an illusion or a way of perceiving. That is reality for millions of people all over the world.
believerornot 2 years ago
Philanthropy is often used by capitalist cultures in the way a drug dealer gives someone free drugs to get them hooked.
MarmaladeINFP 2 years ago
You are talking about the failure of the trickle down - free market myth- economy. We suffer just as '3rd world' poorer nations do when the wealthy are treated to socialized public bail-outs and we ourselves are left to scratch and claw to keep our noses above water. The same rules do not apply to all. We are fed bullshit and kept in the dark while shining 'free market' socialists are too big (or too well connected) to fail. And too self important for common decency and fairness.
voidsiriusonly 2 years ago
thanks so much for adding me, i feel privileged. you are my favorite person on youtube right now, and i've watched a lot of commentaries. keep it up. i hope to contribute more comments and views to your videos.
xleeca 2 years ago
I'm very political and I can't help but take many of your thoughts on universal ideas such as this poverty and disparity, and apply them specifically to American politics, in this case, you've perfectly described the reason why many Americans with two cars and a flat screen still think they are poor because they don't have what Bill Gates has, I'm not a religious man but I think the word they typically use is envy, tricky stuff
pthompson2010 2 years ago
Great video and a great topic.
I can't seem to find an article linking clinical depression and poverty levels so if any of you can then PM me.
Im a little curious if you think education is a better way to help these countries. I read a book for my cultural anthropology class about someone headed down into deep Africa to teach about malnutrition in children. Do you believe that kind of philantropy would cause a feeling of poverty?
GKCanman 2 years ago
Amazing..!This is what i think too..poverty is relevant and if wealth was only created as a means of becoming happier and we now know that its not an panacea to happiness either, we should not think thats the solution for others problems!
Moreover charity is the worst vulgarity invented by man. In a world where everything belongs to everyone equally, religion and culture has divided the wealth as an reward for work, in reality we r no one to give, its everyone birth right to take from the tree!
KarthikSoun 2 years ago
Some who are poor can find a way to find happiness or the dice may tumble just right so they have a happy life, but I think more often the reality is poor people suffer much more in many ways in comparison with people who have plenty of money. All people suffer but if you have money & resources that suffering can be diminished & if you don't it can be made much worse.People in the middle suffer a lot also, this is related to economics & class & other dynamics...no suffering should ridiculed
catgumart 2 years ago
Thats true people in the middle play an important role in america. Middle class people are the main reason why this nation is so great. We have a high middle class rate in the US and that is the reason why we have so many successful banks and corporations. Almost everyones dream in the US is to live middle class because are living standards are so high.
therepublicanknight 2 years ago
I agree with you. It would be way more meaningful and costly to attack poverty itself in general in 3rd world countries...
unseendemise 2 years ago
interesting when you use the word "attack," that poverty needs to be attacked. i feel "attack" is the wrong word and ideology (but is probably the dominant ideology in America when it comes to dealing poverty) - i also think it's misleading to think of poverty as a disease or an ill. poverty is what it is. and how we in the west perceive poverty is crucial to HOW we engage with struggling communities, how we are able to empathize and be sincere about our understandings of poverty and humanity.
xleeca 2 years ago
You're right getting people out of poverty is not the problem. The problem is getting poverty out of people's surroundings. To slowly heal the people in need so that they may rise needs more than money, this goal needs understanding.
unseendemise 2 years ago
Equal Money for All from Birth for an Equal Opportunity of a Dignified Life. Equal Money for All from Birth to stop the fight for survival.
NiklasNydahl 2 years ago
You unlike that hatefull cunt bettyloutumor actually have videos up...I can respect that...Still blocke you though...Thanks for hammering my ratings...Real Mature...and listening to you, you're fucking delusional!
PatriotEnoch 2 years ago
Government handouts perpetuate and create poverty. Give a man a fish and he will ask for another; teach a man to fish and he will feed himself for life. Read the "Gospel of Wealth".
erato99 2 years ago
Ppl gotta understand what he's saying. The natives were ok. Spirituality over material. The worst part about this fact is that the west knows EXACTLY what they are doing.
ObamaTheRealLoser 2 years ago
man i love these thought provoking notions and discussions, i truly wish there was a place in my community I could meet with other likeminded people whos interestes are in bettering themselevs and understanding the life around them....as opposed to getting wasted everynight
uwmbigb 2 years ago 16
@uwmbigb Start it yourself darling, Don't wait for anything to happen ok. Being the architect of your own life is wonderful. Make sure to find a hall with clean toilets and comfy chairs. Have small nibbles and juice. Or ask people to bring their own refreshments. Begin a page on Facebook. Tell people the address and time. You'll be surprised how creating your own world can be so simple. Enjoy it. x
ColaBling 1 year ago
@uwmbigb
I fully agree with this setiment and the only way I have found to bring it to fruition thus far is to open the discussion to those around you and those you meet in the day to day. Many are close minded and many are open continue with knowledge truth and wisdom
peace
bigtyma01 1 year ago
@uwmbigb that what churches were supposed to be, waaay back in the day
xconvuXlsionsx 1 year ago
@uwmbigb i know i'm being a nitpicky asshole here, but Ernest Hemingway bettered himself and understood life around him aided by, or perhaps even due to, *drum roll* "getting wasted everynight."
synchronium24 3 months ago
Ridiculous video. Starvation, disease, war and famine are a part of the cultures of failed states? I saw this guy's other videos and it made perfect sense that he would be a libertarian wacko, because only they could come up with such a delusional version of reality.
cannedkitty 2 years ago
What you have to remember is the fact that the things you mention were not necessarily prevalent until other people who thought they were doing them a favor came in and started messing with their traditional subsistence strategies. This is exactly what ProteanView is talking about: what happened to MAKE the situation of starvation, disease and war?
ConcoidialFracture 2 years ago
... Other people coming in and telling these people that the way they are living is wrong and failing to install the necessary infrastructure to support the values they are instilling on the natives.
ConcoidialFracture 2 years ago
those things have been in existence since the dawn of man. Your point is absolutely incorrect.
History argues so.
NwZ2 2 years ago
I must emphasize the word PREVALENT in my post, because it seems that you think I said they didn't exist AT ALL. I wasn't saying that, and I wouldn't make such a ridiculous statement. I only said that these things weren't on such a large scale as they are today because there used to be perfectly valid subsistence patterns that made the original cultures possible in the first place.
Your premise about my argument being incorrect is incorrect.
My previous post argues so.
ConcoidialFracture 2 years ago
your post does nothing to change the wrongness of your assertion.
Wars WERE prevalent throughout human history, external forces or not. Same with disease and famine (famine linked to weather, disease linked to..well, environmental factors as well).
As to the "scale" comment, that's irrelevant too. By the fact *that* this is modern times, hence advancements in technology and the sort, there are MORE people today than there have been before. That doesn't change anything., however.
NwZ2 2 years ago
they STILL happened on a COMPARATIVELY large scale due to factors that come from NON-EXTERNAL STIMULI. The weather has, and still remains, a deciding factor for famine. Environment remains today the determining factor in disease, though that's beginning to change to do a large-scale increase in the migratory capabilities of our times (see: technology), etc. Wars have been going on (large scale, comparatively) since our infancy as a species.
NwZ2 2 years ago
This is not to argue that external stimuli aren't factors, or even significant ones, but it's by far not the way you paint it. If modern technology was present in pre-modern times, then we would see the "large-scaleness" that we see now, back then. If global warming was happening back then, then we'd see the changes in famine patterns and what not that we see now, back then. Etc. Modern circumstances are affected by modern variables, but war famine and disease have remained a constant existence.
NwZ2 2 years ago
I stand corrected. Thank you for explaining your point of view.
ConcoidialFracture 2 years ago
The thing that people who perform these altruistic actions always take something from their world and introduce it into someone else' world. What they fail to realize is they don't just take the good with them when they do.
It's like when Australians introduced a certain toad into their ecosystem to kill beetles who were eating crops. Instead of eating beetles, the frogs overpopulated and then began running other creatures out of the habitat.
damascis 2 years ago
You're a bigger man than me, I'd NEVER admit to having watched Oprah willingly.
J/K
obviously I have or I couldn't have come to any conclusion
That aside, this is a very interesting view. I'd have to disagree about introducing disparity, or on the details of the disparity or the disruptive effect it is alleged to have. I bet there are already elites who lived in comparable housing. The disparity now is in providing this housing to those who weren't historically elite. Is such disruption bad?
maskedphrogg 2 years ago
the relativity between poverty stricken and wealthy societies is not undone by the handouts. Poor people have television sets you know... They know!!!! They dont live on some other planet. News happens to get around. European and US und Canadian Dogs get meat to eat while Haitians eat dirt-cakes from the soil... they see a pedigree pal add and they KNOW! lol... your argument is kinda preglobalization.
fruitsofnews 2 years ago
Really? So you're telling me that the tribes in the deep amazon have TV's? The people of deep Africa receive the newspaper or surf the net?
It's a very good point about what happens when you introduce a foreign thing into a society.
How about this example; So aliens come to visit us. In their attempts to help our world, they give say... the Polish a brand new technology, but only the Polish. Now, everyone in the world wants it, creating a new disparity amongst the whole world.
damascis 2 years ago
And again what do you mean when you use the term westerner? you use it quite deliberately.
fruitsofnews 2 years ago
Thats a very acurate viewpoint. Most charity is to ease guilt of being rich here!
I have seen the most content people in poorer countries. In the west most people are confused greedy selfish people!!
LabRat6619 2 years ago
Your government plays global chess with your tax money. Seeking power over all the rest of us non-american humans!
LabRat6619 2 years ago
I heartily agree with most of what you've said. There are African nations whose textile industry has been completely bankrupted by Salvation Army donations.
They send millions of tons of cast off American clothes there and dump them on the docks for anybody who wants them. Nobody buys clothes as a result. No purchases= no industry=no jobs=poverty
theunbubba 2 years ago
Nothing get's ppl off their asses like Opportunity to succed, and cutting off the "gravy train".
gofucoffee 2 years ago
Word.
I notice that you don't mention "giving" intangibles, such as teaching such people logic, sound reasoning/critical thinking skills, and scientific interpretive methodologies. Those both help the lives of the (willing and committed) individuals you teach, *and* they can just as simply teach it to those around them after you leave.
And it's better for *everyone in the world* when there are more people living rationally. If the standard is rationality, America's the poorest country.
GabrielKoulikov 2 years ago
I will agree on this with you, however, poverty is not relevant it is what it is, now I'll tell you the reason why there are shitty houses with no running water in third world countries and not here, there are no regulations or inspectors in those countries like there is here. every house here has to pass inspection, over there people just all cramp up in grandma's house ans possibly inherit it if they get to live longer than 40. Why? cuz the government doesn't care. be grateful of what we have
gabcatyper 2 years ago
accept here in lies problem protean. Its not done just out of a sense of guilt by the powers that be.
Take chilli, the largest copper producer in the WORLD we take there copper turn it into Hifi's plasma screens and laptops yet they remain poor....
We NEEDED them. Once we got past the age of steam we needed the 3rd world. oil, paper, coffee...
So that's why we have always been linked.
we damaged them.
Do really think they would starve and grow coffee at the same time if we were not there?
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
In spite of Right Wing demonization of Great Society programs...these programs for the most part worked...Head Start, PBS, Medicare are still with us today. The US standard of living reached its absolute peak just after the Great Society...it's been downhill ever since (except for the top 3% of the nation).
johnlouisville 2 years ago
your videos really do make me think about topics that have never crossed my mind before. thank you so much.
joshua1auhsoj 2 years ago
Many Academics in the Development field realize exactly what you are saying.with the balance of harm and good. Colonialism continues in many ways... There are so many examples of the West causing harm, even with the best of intentions... villages created around military and humanitary installments, bringing ideas of prostitution and self loathing to communities that never had it...etc etc... Outsiders can help but not leade as a rule.. we have to remember we are guests,not owners.
caracre 2 years ago
finally justification for not helping poor ppl! thx
ceresWar 2 years ago
Unabombers manifesto...
it won't let me post a link, but wikipedia has a good layout of Ted Kaczynski's work. Its exactly what you are saying about conveniences creating inconveniences...
EvolFighter 2 years ago
I agree~that it would be better to help the whole community by making sure there was an education system in place for everybody. Like it would be more useful to build a hundred basic schools where thousands can go & be educated & feel equal, than to build one shiny school where just a few elite can go~
omegapoint444 2 years ago
Interesting viewpoints.
1badvr4 2 years ago
True that good intentions often give bad results. All too often money and projects given to poor nations are wasted or badly planned, or pilfered by local authorities, to the point that they accomplish nothing.
Still there are projects, like microbanking, that actually are more than photo-ops for liberals. Also, written laws (not arbitrary Sharia), land ownership, and other basic freedoms are shown to improve conditions the world over, more even than the donation of money.
Linguiphile 2 years ago
PART2: There are children in Africa that tie their jackets and sweaters around their stomachs so tight to try and trick their bodies into thinking that they are full ( they do it to take away the hunger pains) that sounds pretty horrible i dont see how anyone wouldn't want to feed that/those child(ren)
BiracialGirl1977 2 years ago
You know what? I actually never thought about it from that angle before, that's a very good point. However I don't think it will keep me from wanting to help people though, especially the starving children that's didn't ask to be born into such a shitty situation.
BiracialGirl1977 2 years ago
There are just so many good orgainzations out there today I dont really understand what ur getting at... digging wells, giving cows and chickens, Bill Gates now working to eradicate malaria from the earth. There are many problems with simple solutions and I feel we need to lend a helping hand.
cramlow1 2 years ago
Interesting video. You might enjoy reading the book Dead Aid.
11Agamemnon235 2 years ago
This is a good interview I totally agree with this. When you give you cripple an individual you have to teach.
mohammedabshaun 2 years ago
This is a pretty good vid, protean.
gworksnell 2 years ago
to all blk ppl : do us all a favour n plzz extinct !
vghostrider666 2 years ago
Very insightful video.
bookhound63 2 years ago 5
Thing is that, given the chance, people will generally pursue a high standard of living, without any regard for issues of equality of outcome. That's why globalization has been such a massive success ever since the seventies.
That said, it is true that charity can create skewed incentives, and turn otherwise productive members of society into angsty dependents. But still, as long as it remains a voluntary exchange of value, the incentives problem can be considered entrepreneurial in nature.
PanzerDivisionBOM 2 years ago
You make a very valid point protean. Its alomst like the Proletarian party in 1984. They dont know they're impoverished b/c their needs are so simple and they are all being met so they are happy. But I think Gromins point is superior. The cats out of the bag for alot of these ppl, their seeing how the west lives, and thus their wants are elevated. And in some cases, their basic survival needs arent met. Heh Im pretty sure starvation produces a universal feeling of despairity.
CommonCents30 2 years ago
Problem is when we are aware of how little people have in the world, we find we want to help them. But it always ends the same in that we can't help everyone from poverty.
SuperInfogatherer 2 years ago
We have the resources and transportation. The only thing lacking is time. Teaching the scientific method is the only way to help people.
deathsminion25 2 years ago
This time I really dont agree with ur video. If they didnt wanna b helped, ok. But most of those poor ppl already have the perception that they r poor n know that in Europe or USA ppl have things they wanna have too. Thats why a lot of them emmigrate. N there already is a huge disparity in those countries n criminality is already a great problem (like here in Rio). N theres another thing. Ppl need food. It doesnt matter in what kind of culture u live. A lot of ppl in Africa f.e. have no food.
gromins 2 years ago
After the Russian revolution, 26 million people wre killed by Stalin (their own Armaggedon).
These were senior engineers, army officers, and dissloyal workers.
If you consider yourself "indispensable", you are probably right. But ENYONE who can be replaced, is either gonna be a slave or dead. They may well exterminate huge parts of the people.
mikeybrumbrum 2 years ago
Nothing matters any more, other than the factthat the WORLD is about to be subjected to a FACIST govt.
NOTHING is as important as this because nothing else will exist, once it all starts. These FEMA camps are real, and while Obama builds a massive, heavily armed police force, there is no point talking about anything else.
Once you are in those camps, you will have NO influence over anything.
And everone thinks they wont be the ones. Look at history, and you see its EVERYONE who suffers.
mikeybrumbrum 2 years ago
"If I hadn't seen such riches I could live with being poor"
"Sit Down" by James
cottonwhiskersuk 2 years ago
i c ur point. but i believe in progression. ur argument followsthe "want not -need not" thing. and by introducing new desires, people will c what most will not have. thus causing despair and destruction/merging of culture.
well i believe that in order to advance as a species, we need to work together and move forward. culture is nice, but people need to stop clinging to the past and see that is necessary to change as this fast pace world is evolving. we make our own lives and tradition.
Orion22deblanc 2 years ago
sorry dawg, put me in the don't agree column. I know you are only trying to help me but giving a brother a laig up is absolutely necessary and citing human weakness involved in the reaction if that really happens is no excuse to sit idly by and watch suffering. We as 'mericans tip the whole equalibrium everyday, everywhere...
Good luck
sixtiksix 2 years ago
I think most people live in societies where there is some imbalance in wealth anyway. If some people within a class in that society suddenly got a leg up purely out of luck, I doubt their former peers would ostrecise them for it, people don't frown upon people that win the lottery do they?
Canonpixmalogitechko 2 years ago
lol reminds me of that scene in "the gods must be crazy" when they decide the coke bottle is a curse and try to get rid of it.
Canonpixmalogitechko 2 years ago
"Common sense isn't so common' as I have seen some where before. So the fact is many have ignorance to others lives. You know the saying about trying on another persons shoes. Well many don't care to sadly. They are just clueless and get depressed about their own life. There are a few in the world that care at least. To bad there is a conflict to the best way to handle things. Thanks for your video.
Chamelionroses 2 years ago
Sharp. Very sharp - possibly the best subscription I've had on the 'Tube here.
Flipping through your vids at random now, never took the time to watch them all til now.
ZejithThemis 2 years ago
Sir-your real-Finally,an intelligence that speaks-I am a 35 year old white man, and I respect your outlook-you actually think-white,black,german,jew,Indian,whatever-lets start thinking,and do something good for the human race instead of relying on bullshit religion!
bp726 2 years ago
religion and faith are not always the same. Many people use their religion as a justification for doing things, when its not their rel, but their choice. They dont have the balls to say its their choice. I believe in God, and my church is within my heart
bumisworld 2 years ago
If I had my way. I would open a FREE birth control clinic in every corner, all aver the world. Specially in poor areas and would teach poor people basic math. When someone tells me: "Have a child to get Welfare or get some money back from the IRS.Population growth is grater among the poor and uneducated is much greater than among the rich.
newyorker107 2 years ago
yeah, it's one thing to do but not the only thing. Like you said, upper income people tend to have smaller families. So I think one of thing you could do to curb population growth is educating ppl and having a framework in which they can improve their standard of living and real incomes. Of course, that isn't something that can be done very well with foreign aid. It has to be done by their own homelands respecting private property and allowing enough economic freedom.
stealthswimmer 2 years ago
very deep because when I was young I grew up poor...but guess what I never considered myself poor until I went to school for the first time in a rich school district...the lights came on...this was the catalyst for some self image issues that I still struggle with even though im not poor...when pple are aware of there percieved lack they begin to struggle to acheive what they think they dont have and this Does cause them to be worse than before thy recieved the help....
poo0115104 2 years ago
Good stuff here. I hope that the aid is going to the poor in these societies.
I have never felt certain I understood the mentality of the chariatble. Do they give out of guilt or a desire to help or for the recognition of being a "good person" in the eyes of others. It may be a mix of all three.
whitesamurai 2 years ago
well,it's like what Laozi say."give a man a fish,you feed him for a day.teach a man to fish,you feed him for a lifetime."the only way to save africa and rural south america nation is education and then job creation.
jojoinhere 2 years ago
while that is a very good, there are ways in which people can help which do not create differencences within the society. One example would br to provide medical supplies to the local hospitals. The people who go to the hospital have would have no idea where the medication came from and would not create the want and need factor you spoke about, if these medical supplies are basic and simplsitic in the society which is being aided by westerners
mswmws87 2 years ago
Good video - sounds similar to a lot of Buddhist concepts.
thegoodlocust 2 years ago
What you are describing is a development economics idea: Relative Poverty. This is widely known to be more damaging than Absolute Poverty ( Being unable to maintain a decent material standard of living). Check the basic theory out on the World Bank website. Congrats on explaining it so lucidly :)
alexorangeblues 2 years ago
This problem is caused by currency. It can be manipulated. I mean, we dont need paper money to create the material things we have.
deepelmdesciple 2 years ago
This leads to the idea that much of the social problems of the world are caused by political forces, and these are politics on a global scale. Instead of looking for things we can do to help, perhaps we should look for things we can stop doing because they hurt other parts of the world.
Ponerology 2 years ago
This is really a fascinating comment. This is a very interesting line of thought. I look forward to looking in on some of your other videos. Well done!
warwolfii 2 years ago
You have a great mind, A great thinking mind, thats has a high understanding od what things are and how they interect. You would be a perfect PRESIDENT. The world needs people like you as a leader.
sololosthero001 2 years ago
end affirmative action
khattamshud 2 years ago
While this may be true, I think too often people will NOT help on a personal, smaller scale and use this as an excuse. Example? Young woman wants to live on her own, is kicked out of her house. Doesn't want anything but a job, a studio apartment and a way to get to said job. No credit can stop the apartment even if she can afford it. Mandatory insurance can make it so she can barely scrape by with rent. Entry level jobs pay typically just under what one person needs for all of the above. (cont)
gotilk 2 years ago
For every well-to-do complaining 20-something, there are at the least 20 of what I describe above. I think people who grew up in a different time fail to realize just how much harder it can be to stake out on your own. I spoke to one parent I know recently and really described the landscape out there as it is RIGHT NOW. When I got into my first apartment, it was easy. First job? Easily paid my rent/gas/utilities/car. It's not the same now, period. But this doesn't really address your main point.
gotilk 2 years ago
one big problem with philantropIST"s is that they are often times dualist (like the cathars). so in other words they are trying to fill up some "good" things to "balance" their evil deeds. dualism is a practice of most elite illuminists (yes illuminati). but "balancing" for these people can be cancelling out good deeds and justification to do more evil. they can kill thousands of people in the wtc attacks and then give haiti10 million. then they miht feel free to kill thousands more...ridiculous
joopq 2 years ago
point taken, but your generalization ignores the fact that not all charity focuses on western style gains...some of these regions have been decimated directly by western influence in the first place, not to mention environmental destruction, draught, civl war, social instability...these require help since external factors have disrupted the balance already.
And there are basic needs: a well in a dry village, food production, etc.
Not all help generates western consumers though western eyes.
TarTwinkle 2 years ago
Not really the same thing. But i got a cousin who lives in the Dominican Republic, he has a small house quite nice, grows his own food. Generates is own electricity for hot water. Does'nt drive. He is not rich. But lives better than say an Investment Banker.
He does the things his life, with no particular aims. Has a Barbeque nearly everyday, goes windsurfing, has a sexy wife. Then you got losers LIKE ME who work 10.5 hr days for their DREAM job in a corporation.
Who is really living Life?
LondonBoy2006 2 years ago
if success and greed were not the motivating factor of american lives then every1 would have a fair shot to live or survive. i find it interesting that all some people do is pose more problems instead of trying to analyze what these youtube authors are saying and realizing that they for the most part are right. all u ppl do is make excuses....if u understood what he is saying and were not biased u would agree...denial is a disease and im sure most of u are just like this....send em money...lol
bama1474 2 years ago
How do Philanthropists know where to go to help people?
youpick4me 2 years ago
Comparison creates vanity in supposed superiority, or bitterness in supposed envy... Fiat currencies create pseudo pragmatical people. (deluded with an imaginary falsehood of helpfulness) In that its the right approach to the wrong. Christianity is another word for self involved , over indulged, privileged and spoiled brats bent on dogmatic euphoria, seeing a world needed to be converted based on leper messianic delusions.
seditionape 2 years ago
This is very enlightening. For instance, I am filipino. And the export in the Philippines are humans. We go to different countries and send money to wives, husbands, parents, children, and siblings. But not only can this create a disparity for those who dont have people that send money. But I also believe that sending money does not create wealth for the country. Sending money doesnt create jobs or raise the standard of living. We need to export goods and services.
BayFlow408 2 years ago
I agree, I was going to mention that this was along the thinking of Ayn Rand, but you did that yourself, towards the end. Giving people a living isn't of value, teaching people how to make a living is. That's the difference between welfare and education.
Weaselheadx 2 years ago
u missed the whole point.....
bama1474 2 years ago
You're wrong. There is very few places on this earth that Western ideals have not pervaded. You would be more correct if this video was made in the 40's or 50's. Now the creation of the school is for catch-up purposes that is present in the culture now.
111Socrates777 2 years ago
Very well said SIr.
Perhaps this is what Henry Ford meant by his statement : "Charity harms those that receive it ."
When I always took it to mean that it robs them of initiative.
KiaOra53 2 years ago
great vid
thepurplemann 2 years ago
Great.
I really enjoy the way you look at things. You are a all considered person. People see the layer, but you see the form. The all around shape. And you do not give your opinion as much as you give out consideration.
I really enjoy your videos. I really do.
KWIfilms 2 years ago 3
good point,
lookatcha1 2 years ago
I'm really glad you linked this vid to the missionary deconversion vid - knowing you are poor and knowing you are damned are very similar propositions!
Your vids are always excellent.
But BREATHE, dude, you don't have to rush 8‹D
Peace,
Elaina
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niggers00smell00bad 2 years ago
This reminds me of the thought sometime that I think we'd be better off as cave men and women...or similiar since there aren't too many caves around here.
amberview30 2 years ago
It's not only perceptual disparities causing disenchantment among a population which are a problem. There is also the damage done by well-meaning groups like Doctors Without Borders which cause huge imbalances in population by working to decrease infant mortality rates and increase life expectancy. Saving lives sounds like a noble aim. But to ignore the impact sudden, unnatural population growth has on a people imperils their overall wellbeing and future in ways which are not easily fixed.
icepickmeetstemple 2 years ago
But this effect is unevitavle. Say, figuratively, we help a community in extreme poverty, a community that KNOWs its poor. No food, illness, and overpopulation. If we were to help them (buying wells, housing, roads- nessesities in every culture), what will the richer, but nessearily out of poverty, communities react? This is inevitable, although it can be lessened with understanding of thier culture, it cannot be eliminated unless the would is100% uniform in it's living custom (also impossible)
flagellajello 2 years ago
i agree!
plus i dont understand how an actor playing make believe in hollywood makes millions while
the people teaching our kids dont make squat.
or a dude thats real hood at hitting a ball with a bat makes more than a fireman.
crispynotfried 2 years ago
it's because millions of people go to see that one actors movie, and millions of people watch that guys baseball game. The reason they make that kind of $ is because of you and me being entertained by them. It's basic econ.
Nate2203 2 years ago
It's true to say that you're creating inequality...but at the same time, you might be creating an entreprenurial class that will lift the society as whole, however slightly in the short-term. I realize that in order to accept this notion, you have to somewhat buy into trickle-down economics. And of course there will be exploitation/problematic inequity. But the greed you speak of will motivate them toward economic growth...if you are able to say greed is good.
Perception is a crazy thing.
mrt110883 2 years ago
Last year was the first year more money was invested in Africa than was donated. The average income has doubled as a result.
I'm glad you brought this up. :)
jwil2570 2 years ago
I think we should do all we can to move the poor people out of poverty. This of course should be accomplished by private organizations and people. If that means providing a solar stove, to a household in one community, in India, or Pakistan, or parts of Africa, and that creates inequality in that community, or even the possible murder of the stove owner, for the stove itself. So be it.
You can give a fish to a hungry person, but is cruel to not teach them to catch their own.
putittogether 2 years ago
What about people who are mentally poor? Should we give him a stove too?
Will you take it?
ashanyako 2 years ago
You 15 years old. Please be quite and observe. You may ask questions but only in a respectful manor.
putittogether 2 years ago
Wonderful... I've tried explaining the same idea (though you do it more articulately).
AgnosticNews 2 years ago
when Ramana Maharshi was give a gift (candy or food) he would not accept it unless all present could have a share as well.
duwbryd 2 years ago
external manifestations of success are poor indicators of a persons integrity or worth.
It is unfortunate that in the US people have been led to believe that a person is successful if they drive an expensive car or live in a valuable house or wear expensive cloths, when in reality these mean nothing.
I see very nice cars around all the time but I don't want the debt associated with them so I'm not really influenced by that mentality. I guess I never have been...which I consider fortunate.
myliverwurst 2 years ago
the tyranny of good intentions?
myliverwurst 2 years ago
i have lived on less than £5000 a year all my life, will never earn more than that, and feel richer than everyone i know :)
Money is what ruins man, whatever amount, trying to extract morality from money goes like this, the more you have the more of a c**t you are. lol
I dont give to charities as there all proven to be complete liars, my charity is the time i spend making complete strangers feel less strange :) The comment below justifying the rockefeller clan sickens me.
outled 2 years ago 2
I agree with your general point that generosity can create disparity.However, it does make a difference in the lives of the few that can be helped,and provided we are able to offer assistance voluntarily and not in a coerced manner,I do not see anything wrong with that.Having said that, there is be a better way of helping people where they need it other than giving them a hand-out. As the old saying goes, give a man a fish,you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish,you feed him for a lifetime.
furtherbeyond 2 years ago
very logical vid
rednxrule 2 years ago
That's exactly true! - there's a great book by Tom Woods Jr. called the "politically incorrect guide to American History", Woods talks about Rockefeller and all the great things he made,- he shows how quickly people turn from appreciating the new wonderful thing introduced into the society, to expecting and demanding it - and then, when confronted with the slightest inconvenience, the population is quick to vilify him, for raising prices on goods he himself invented, built and produced.