Rawee vs. Kenji Kurosaki

[ebutuoy1662]

really nice takedowns !

[gustavo200485]

good

[bigthana]

WTF is Kyuktooki. No KOREA drama in here ok. Only the real thing here.

Salute to MUAY THAI and KARATE.

[lordford191]

Fuckyou >>>> Kyuktooki

[lordford191]

Kyuktooki <<< COPY Muaythai Muaythai Master

[muayThaione]

This is Muay Korat and footage took place somewhere in Bangkok 60-70 years ago. See attache VDO.

[tsukumomutujp]

do you have tadashi nakamura's fight?

[HiroIndo16]

sick elbow skills...go muay thai and karate

[123brownboy]

And this is why kyokushin disallowed elbows in later matches with muay thai...

[TAC412]

@123brownboy Sick right, when all martial arts "first" faced with muay thai, they all got beated up like this. Not only karate, but kung fu, tkd, savate, and more! So now, let fight with muay thai with no elbows allowed. And if muay thai happens to lose, they can say muay thai is not the best.

[KyokushinTruth]

@TAC412 and in other challenge matches kyokushin guys were destroying muay thai fighters with head butts so muay thai disallowed that. It works both ways.

[RightConcentration]

This was the first Japan kickboxing (Karate?) vs muaythai live on TV. The commentator said that, back then, headbut and takedown were allowed. Before this fight, the Japanese fighter won by headbutting for 8-count and punching for KO. This is pretty close to MMA.

[davidjblanco]

Kenji kurosaki is the creator of KICKBOXING, mixing Muay Thay with Kyokushinkai karate.

[saga33333]

黒崎さんスゴイ。

よくこのルールでここまでやれるわ。



[ooogooman]

Interesting. This looked more like a Muay Thai vs. San Da match than anything that would be understood as 'karate' in the modern sense: rather than the mismatch I was expecting this match to be it actually seemed like the Thai was getting completely twitted by Kurosaki's takedowns until the final elbow. I wonder what the training was like in the early days of the Oyama Dojo to give their fighters such a strong sense for takedowns? Was it from Oyama's judo background?

[slovakzolee87]

@ooogooman yes. kurosaki is the friend of jon bluming, who was the best student of mass oyama. bluming is 10dan in judo and karate

[MartialArts4Ever]

What a vicious elbow...

[Lee7676]

this fight is very unfair to kurosaki sensei.

oyama dojo in 1960s,they trained bare hand kurosaki sensei cant use shuto,seiken,shotei any of karate hand skills because he had to wear gloves.

[FaridYM]

@Lee7676

wasnt it Kurosaki Sensei himself who wanted to challenge thailand on their own rules? Besides there were 3matches of kyokushin vs muay thai and japan won 2 matches out of 3 against thailand. Sensei Kurosaki was the only 1 who lost and it wouldnt be without this fight and lost that he set up japanese kickboxing.

There is a saying that goes:

"When in Rome, do as the Romans do" so i give lot of credit and respect to Sensei Kurosaki for fighting thailand under thairules.

Osu!!

[Lee7676]

yes i respect kurosaki sensei.also according to nakamura tadashi book,kurosaki sensei didnt trained that much before that fight because he trained 5 others to be prepare for the match,and he also injured right big toe before the fight so kurosaki sensei fight worst condition but he had samurai spirit.mas oyama sosai later said that'i regreat one thing in my life that is i let go kurosaki and fugihira (he also went to thai) it is too bad mas oyama sosai lost every senior students.

[Picxxt]

ขามาเดินมา ขากลับหามลง 555+

Kurosaki challenged muay thai in Bangkok and he paid the price.

[legkicker01]

In the end, it was Kurosaki, who gained the most since he managed to produce the first non-Thai ever to win the championship.

[ercangur]

this is the turnpoint of "kurosaki" to "muay thai".he later quitted "kyokushinkai" stayed to focus on "mt" i.later he has created famous japanese fightre "fujiwara" . oyama has benefited from "kurosaki, mt training" in "mejiro gym"...you can see this on the point that there is a big difference between "katas" & "current fighttechnics ".katas remained as the prolonging of "goju ryu -okinawa , however tecnnics different, taken from muay thai after 1968 's

[fox4278]

黒崎すごく強いね

ムエタイルールじゃなきゃ一方的な圧勝だろうな　当時の大山道場の実戦力の高さが窺える映像ですね

[Madhofd]

translation? XD

[akextream]

its all depend on the person, not the style

[Buli0n]

true...because Kenji Kurosaki was a Kickboxer who earned black belt in kyokushin from Oyama after this fight ;P

[legkicker01]

Kurosaki was never a kickboxer and by the time of this fight, he had been the chief instructor for Mas Oyama.

[Buli0n]

yes he was, read his bio. and he earned his kyokushin karate "black belt" just before this fight.

[Buli0n]

from mas oyama, because he was the only guy with Seono and T. Nakamura who could fight Thais. He wasn't Kyokushin Karateka before this fight.

[germanpaino]

For some people studing katas and forms for many years, again and again it is very borring. But somehow it is the only way to really understand the meaning of this kind of art (because it is an art) and mastering this techniques.

[UnionJackFighter]

I know a lot of people who started with Karate and later converted or heavily adopted Muay Thai. I know a lot of Muay Thai guys who later adopted the grappling arts, but still use Muay Thai as striking. I know a lot of Muay Thai and Western Boxers who study and kept both. I don't know anyone who converted from Muay Thai to Karate.

[germanpaino]

The path of Karate or any other traditional martial art, it is very diferent that the one who chose to follow the kick boxing student. I´m first dan degree in Kick boxing and full contact aswell for many years now. Recently I´ve become black belt , also in Taekwondo, with the final objective of polishing what I have learned before.

[Born2Fight4Life]

I see. what a coinsidence.. mate ive been training muay thai for almost 6 years and brazlian jiu jitsu for 2 years... guess what martial arts im fan of.. yeah, karate,judo. ill later on move to japan to suceed in my fighting career..

[tenchupgd10]

@Born2Fight4Life come to brazil in my house mi casa es tu casa i teach bbj

[FaridYM]

I converted from muay thai to kyokushinkai karate

[UnionJackFighter]

kyokushinkai karate converted from karate to Muay Thai in many aspects. Like most Southeast Asian history, the world is totally ignorant as to what transpired in that part of the world. So you only get the views of the industrialized countries.

[TheGreenhornet15]

@UnionJackFighter

[KyokushinTruth]

@UnionJackFighter i came from sanda kickboxing to kyokushin. So now u know someone. Also that proves nothing because a study was done by IKO compiling all the official challenge matches between kyokushin and muay thai. Kyokushin won 67 percent of the time

[TAC412]

@KyokushinTruth Kyokushin has muay thai elements in it you know?

[KyokushinTruth]

@TAC412 prove it with a source. Oh wait all you can do it show a wikipedia page that has no citation to your claims.

[TAC412]

@KyokushinTruth lol i forgot that you're a moron and that's why you cant explain why muay thai is called the art of 8 limbs when karate was introduced to the world before muay thai. Secondly, you cant even answer why (japanese) kickboxing borrows kicks from muay thai XD hahaha

[KyokushinTruth]

@TAC412 Muay Thai existed before kyokushin i never disputed that. Also karate tkd burmese boxing and boxing influenced kickboxing not just muay thai and actually most of there kicks use a snapping traditional karate and tkd kick it is influenced more then those then muay thai.

[TAC412]

@KyokushinTruth Then why are you arguing with me when my opinion is that kyukushin has some muay thai elbows and knees as well??? He's doing techniques like muay thai's doesnt mean he copied from. So what are you argueing with me for???

[KyokushinTruth]

@TAC412 because he learned the elbows from kyokushin and the knees as well. Kung Fu had the first origins of kicks does that mean kicks aren't muay thai they are kung fu? no whatever style you learn the kicks from get credit for the techniques.

[Matamune87]

@UnionJackFighter The difference between Kyokushin and Thai Boxe, Boxe, Kickboxing, MMA, is that the first is one of the last REAL Martial Arts and the others are only fighting sports. The difference is in the training. Fighting is only a part of the Kyokushin discipline and this is the reason why, if your target is only the athletic competition and "learn to hit people", is better for you pass to a discipline where the training is only dedicated to the fight on a ring.

[MrCreepy92]

@Matamune87 Muay Thai was developed for military purposes and so is, by its very definition, a martial art. Don't be silly.

MMA is not a martial art, it is a sport. That's because you can come in with whichever style you prefer and compete.

[Matamune87]

@MrCreepy92 Yes, Muay Thai is a real martial art, but now, in Europe the Thai training is only dedicated to the fight and athletic training unlike the real Muay Thai praticed in Thailand wich has a cultural meaning also. For this reason I prefer to distinguish real muay thai from thai boxe^^

[Matamune87]

@MrCreepy92 In a Thai gym you study the approach to combat and tecniques under the thai fight regulation on the ring unlike Karate, Kung Fu and other oriental MA where you study also tecniques not alowed in the Karate and Kung Fu conpetitions like blows to the throat, eyes, genitals or joints, techniques useful in self-defense but obviously not allowed in the race.

[MrCreepy92]

@Matamune87 Btw, I'd like to add that most of the principles of ground fighting known to BJJ and the majority of MMA practitioners is used in the US military, at the very least. So, yes, ground fighting is a legitimate "martial art". I don't know what dictionary you are using.

[muayThaione]

@Matamune87 kickboxing is not kind of martial art, it came later abot 40 years ago by japanese guy(Osamu Noguchi ) adopted Muay Thai and calling kickboxing. He studied Muay thai and developed a combined martial art which Noguchi named kick boxing, which absorbed and adopted more rules than techniques from Muay Thai.

[Matamune87]

@muayThaione Osamu Noguci's Kickboxing is a variant of Muay Thai and Full Contact Karate (Kyokushin).

However also Kyokushin had influences of Muay Thai (as well as Shotokan, Goju-Ryu and others)^^

[muayThaione]

@Matamune87 Thank you for your reply. Nowadays some frighters have learned several kind of martial arts. Using combo style to fight on the ring.

[SuperBluepurple]

@UnionJackFighter This is only one of 3 fights. Kyokushin won 2-1. The second is around here on u tube somewhere, however the third is nowhere to be found

[Zoid981]

@UnionJackFighter Here i am! ^^

[ddamackey]

@UnionJackFighter I know a lot of Muay thai people that have started studying Kyukoshin, We also have a lot that come and train with us at our dojo as well as a few others in my home town. Its more common then you think. I'm currently training a few Muay thai people at my uni in Kyukoshin and their teaching me Muay Thai as well. Learning from each other. I will never heavily convert to Muay Thai but certain aspects I have adopted into my sparing. That is all.

Ous

[Hernantolio]

@UnionJackFighter i do

[Bjjownsu10]

Karate.

[geebanhunter]

Rawee Deechachai - nicknamed The Elbow Knight of Thailand

Elbow !!!! .....zeeeeeess

[legkicker01]

kolsyrade is right. Kurosaki was the last minute substitute, and before the day of the fight, one of his toenails got busted, wasn't really prepared to fight compared to the other two fighters (Fujihira and Nakamura). Still, I was impressed his his movement. After this fight, he made a transition to Thai boxing, and one of his students, Toshio Fujiwara, became the first non-Thai to win the championship. Kurosaki was also responsible for popularlizing Thai boxing in Holland.

[kolsyrade]

He didnt make a transition to thaiboxing. He founded his own style (Shin Kakuto Jutsu), and became a pioneer in japanese kickboxing, and many of his students fought under thaiboxing rules. True, he did mix some thaiboxing into his new style, but he based most of it on kyokushin.

Kurosaki has been quoted as to be impressed by the toughness of the fighting in Muay thai, but at the same time he was NOT impressed by their technique -which he thought often was sloppy

[legkicker01]

Sure, he did not become a thai boxer. The term Shin Kakuto Jutsu was coined almost ten years after this fight, when he witnessed Benny Urquidez demolished Katsuyuki Suzuki in '77. His original goal of creation of Shin Kakuto Jutsu was to have his Thai boxing students prepared to fight fighters of different MA disciplines. But in reality, it was just a regular muay thai with the slightly modified rule sets.

[edenhash]

hha hahha ahhaha hha ahha hhh... muay thai is better here... huh hu huuhu huu

[CharofVeno]

Yeah! But the result was that Kyokushin won in the end.

[aldridge1]

And everyone knows Muay Thai punch technique was shit til they learnt from boxers. Whats your point? Oyama openly said that some Kyokushin technique was influenced by Muay Thai and other techniques were influenced by Chinese systems. Kyokushin has never denied where techniques originate. As soon as a style thinks it has nothing to learn from others it stagnates and dies.

[natman30]

I have to somewhat disagree with you. Muay Thai punching technique wasn't shit. There were and are many Muay Thai fighters who known for good boxing skill and punching power. It is about each individual choice of arsenal.

[surasitj]

Kyokushin Karate (10th Dan Kenji Kurosaki) vs Muay Thai (Rawee Deechachai - nicknamed The Elbow Knight of Thailand):

Literally 10th Dan Kyokushin Karate got TKO and in Japan, everybody knew it that Kyokushin came from Muay Thai today.

[kolsyrade]

1. kurosaki was not 10th dan then. indeed his 10th dan is a recent (about 10 years ago) honorary grade.

2. He was there as coach, and jumped as fighter in at the last minute when the original japanese fighter had to go back to japan after the fight had been postponed several times in thailand.