I think your recording is ameture and dull superficial
your mics are mediocre and you did not say what preamps you are using
but really you need to learn and experiment a little bit more before you even think about posting a 101 video about mic positioning and recording ....
Hate to say it- of course it is a matter of preference but those drum sounds are Horrible!- especially the kick drum.!! Ruke of thumb for most recordings as a starting point stand back from a drum set or- better yet sit on the throne and listen to how the set sounds- Then mic the kit and compare. - clickety clickety kick sounds are the worst thing to happen to recorded audio in 30 years!
For anything OTHER than jazz...putting a pic underneath the snare is soooo fucking dumb. I thought this was drum recording 101? Since when is 2 mics on any one instrument considered 101?
Then plug in the mics to the mixer. if u get a usb mixer, plug it in the usb port. If not then need to buy RCA cables (Red,White thingys) to headphone jack thingy. then plug the RCAs into the mixer and the headphone 1 into the mic jack in ur computer and get recording software and play away
if i were u i had bought a firewire interface. usb interfaces dont work very well. but now put your usb interface to your computer, start your software, put in your mics and strat recording ^^
I am not sure, but I think those mixers with a usb output only send a stereo bus into the usb. That would mean you have no control over the drum mix afterward. Best to use a mixer with direct outs from each channel and patch each out to a multi channel interface. That way you can record each mic to a separate track.
The 3 to 1 rule doesn't apply your overheads and snare. Therefore the snare is phase-panned badly left. The problem is apparent in the final mix also.
The snare opened the tom gate. That contradicts the purpose of the gate and makes the overall sound picture unnatural.
Right you are! This guys has no idea of what causes phase problems. 3 to 1 works great on a piano or any other single source instrument. A drum set is not single source. The snare and kick are more crucial to the relative overhead position. That is where distances should be equal. Also mixing dynamic with condenser mics across the toms is a bad idea. either all dynamic or all condenser for reasons too lengthy to go into here.
I don't know. Personally, I haven't had huge success with them, either, but they've been used on some of the most famous recordings of all time. I can usually get a great snare sound with a 57.
I totally agree. The millions of classic recordings it's been used on sound horrible. What were those thousands of top-level engineers thinking, and continue to think to this day, using such a hunk of crap mic on nearly every concievable instrument?
Apparently "mirrastyle4524" knows what shit sounds like.
There's nothing more helpful than some douche bag claiming "...it's like shit." Why doesn't anyone ever ask the turd, "Does shit have bad breath, too?"
Yeah easily, i don't get what this Guy's problem is cus, 1 his set still sounds crap. if u want to record good drums having a tuned set removes hours of work and 2 the Mics he uses are expensive. i've got a pair of Samson C02 Microphones for 100 Pounds (about $120/$130) and a crapy vocal dynamic mic and i get better sound then he does.
Check out the main video on my page. I recorded drums for that song with just two mics on the set (one on the bass drum and one above my right shoulder pointed toward the snare, as you'll see) and got a pretty legit sound of out it. Just make sure your interface settings are right, don't let the levels get into even the yellow, and you'll get a solid track.
Depends on what sound you're going for. I've done it before. If you're just gonna use a kick mic and a condenser, I'd put the condenser out in the room instead of above the kit. Otherwise you're likely to get too much cymbal and not enough tom/kick.
Micing it both ends would get you a fuller sound. But you can't help it if you have the crappiest snare, its the worst snare sound I've ever heard in my life.
kinda...you don't need to mic everything. just 2 overheads, kick and snare...maybe about $300 for pro mics. mine are behringers so only $130 and i have 5 mics
theyre mounted on what looks like some incarnation of PureCussion RIMMS mounts, theyre supposed to be suspended so they wobble and Resonate I would think putting them upside down like that would defeat theyre purpose. it looks cool tho I suppose.. ~8^)
yeah defo use 2 mics on the snare but all that stuff about the bottom mic being a57 should go right out the window....use a pencil condensor it will pick up the detail of the snare wires better than a 57 ever will.....also if your gating the bottom mic try side chaining it from the top mic to make the snare wires realy burst.....depending on the type of sound your after...
Yes, recently i miced the bottom with a 57, i forgot what we used on the top... but anyway i put some nice reverb on the bottom and it sounded pretty good.
i have the uncompressed mixdown on my page if your interested in how that sounds.
everything you ever record depends on what sound you are looking for. technique and placement only go so far, don't get me wrong they are both important and may be directly related to how to achieve what you want, but you need to look for the sound first. some times the best accidents achieve the best sounds, dont be afraid to make mistakes just trust your ears.
so to answer is it better to use two mics... It's all about case sensitivity.
Sound waves go up and down like ocean waves. When an "up" wave combines with an equal "down" wave, the result is nothing (silence). Putting a mic over a snare and under a snare can result in mismatched waves so some frequencies get canceled out. Reversing the phase (either digitally or on your mixer) will make all up-waves become down-waves and vice-versa. This can result in a fuller sound when the two mics combine signals. If you're not sure if you should reverse phase, try it and listen.
I know this may sound pretty stupid, but I'm trying get mics for my kit. I wanna get those DM70's by Nady. My question is, could a normal Mic stand hold that? I know it sounds dumb, but thanks.
i'm going to purchase a mic kit, and i was wondering, like, what all do i need to record? as far as wires, splitters, etc. do i need an interface that has 7 inputs or do i just run all mic wires into an adapter and plug it into 1? as you can see, i clearly have no idea what i'm doing. lol i just need to know what all i need to have before i buy, any help will be geatly appreciated. :)
If you have 7 mics you would (for best results) want something with 7 inputs 7 pre's. Right now a lot of companies sell 8 input units that are fire wire or USB.
on second thought, scratch that, i've just discovered that mixers can be fairly inexpensive. is it imperative that i have 7 pre's or can i make due with 4? like, possibly assign the 3 toms to one pre and same with the two overhead condensers... and then snare & kick? would that work? lol please have patience with me, i know i know nothing lol
A mixer alone won't get the signal recorded into your computer, and you'll want a separate track for each microphone. You'll want to keep all the tracks separate until you have a chance to mix them in your software program. If you have 7 mics, something like the M-Audio Profire 2626 or Presonus FireStudio would be a good place to start.
is it necessary that i record each track separately? is it possible to set the mics to a sound i like and run them into the computer as a single track?
i appreciate thew help, but i have to say, those programs are way outta my budget. i'm just kind of looking for the most basic setup to record with, eventually i'll upgrade
I've actually come a long way with my recording just using a cheap Behringer mixing board and running that into my computer.
You set up the microphones where and how you want them, and do a lot of trial and error with sound tests until you get each mic sounding the way you want it, then record.
Keep in mind though that, doing this, , you wont be able to adjust any of the individual pieces of your drum kit once the track is recorded.
You can adjust the overall sound, but not individual pieces.
with my saffire i am able to assign each mic to a different track in logic so i can eq and process each mic sepparately...i use snare, bass drum and two overheads...and i can eq and add efects independently on each one, for example i can put some low pass filter in my bass drum and some flanger in my overheads
Also, he has the bottom snare mic louder than I would normally want it. Turning that down, adding a good compressor, a little EQ, and maybe a gated reverb should go a long way.
i know all about the mics and dat but wha i don know is what do i actually record the drums onto. i undertand dat i run the mics through a mixer to get the right sound but after that i duno wha to record them with, do i jus connect the mixer up to the computer somehow? if someone could reply on my page and help me ou wi this please thanks
Oh yeah. Forgot about those...but never had any hadns on experience. Once it's recorded on a multi-track recorder, is there a way to import all the separate tracks into the computer?
It's sound like you over compressed the middle of the set, even the symbols. I dont know if you can do enough EQ tampering to fix what you recorded. For you out their looking to record better audio, this is not a good example. The entire set is way to compressed, nothing is there in this track. I think this is just a bad take that was over-compressed for an attempt at rescue.
u need to turn the bottom snare mic down a LOT, and losen the wires a bit. they are choked and cold sounding. also, you should invert the phase on the bottom mic. and EQ that hi hat mic alot better. if you point it there the drummer stick makes the hit with teh hihat. it will sound better. to control bleed, just give a low/mid cut and you sound be all set. you shouldnt need to much hi-hats in the mix anyway, ur over heads will pick up a fair bit of hi-hat anyway.
yup! they're sure SM57 clones really. I would suggest GLS audo es-57's though. they're CHEAP and sound wonderful. I like them a lot more than real 57's actually, they've got a bit more tonality.
this whole thing sounds like shit. the release on the gates is way to short, the kick has no point on it, everything is compressed way too much, and you shouldn't put room mics right in the corner of your room. they should be pulled back a couple feet at least. sound pressure builds in corners which will cause peakes and dips and will not sound natural. and using baffels with the overheads will ruin your room sound too.
im on a low BUGET!!!! but i already have 2 dynamic mics and a vocal. i might just buy the Cad Pro-4 drum mic pack 4 $100. comes with case and special mic clips so it can go directly on the drum. then save up for an 8 channel 2.0 usb mixer for $150. :) plus discounts!!!
beta 57 slaughters the sm 57 haha. but the best mic reallly to use for anything is either the EV RE 20 or the EV RE 27, you can record anything, and i mean anything with those mics, and it will sound unreallllll haha
The snare sound awful, but actually all these recordings are very unnatural. The kick sounds like electric drums. I've heard better sound using just a few condensors, with finely tuned drums.
never heard of apex mics. i'm guessing they're a crappy chinese brand? overall great mic setup, but i would leave out the hihat mic unless you really have a good reason to use it. using it just for a louder hihat chick is a waste of an extra mic.
With a 28" bass drum,14x12,16x16,and a ludwig 402 with paiste 2002s, i'd get a real big fat sound but mics are damn expensive, plus you need a mixin desk and software. I feel bad asking my mum for that amount of stuff.
It's true. Experimenting with tuning is fun and the more practice you have the better you get. I want to do some home recordings of my drums but i can't afford it :(.
What a horrible kick drum sound... I just thought I'd put that out there.
I wish I had access to some more mics, but I did a pretty good job (I think) with 3 decent mics. I skipped alot though: 1 Large Diaphragm to mic the snare and high hat and high rack tom; 1 vocal mic placed inside thie kick heavily condensed, and one overhead. Like his snare sound better though.
Only thing about that is I only have 2 cymbals and they are both on the same side of my kit :P. I would like to get a stereo pair though for that, I agree.
I know the clicky sound you speak of. I am of the mind that a kick drum should not sound clickier than a snare. This is a -Cough- "Kick" sound found mostly in screamo metal beands on indie labels. Most good engineers know how to make a kick drum sound clicky but still have something called "Bass".
yea, i agree. i bought a kick mic and thats the only "drum" mic that i have, my favorite snare mic of all time is a (yes i have tried the sm57)shure speech mic that i found for $20 used. It sounds awesome!
I disagree. IMO, there are so much elements to consider before EQ and reverb, such as quality of drums and heads, tuning, choice of microphone, placement of microphones (damn important).. EQ and reverb are for sure very important elements to a drum sound, but the drums should be able to sound good even without them.
Looks aren't a issue when discussing the quality of sound! but still in my opinion the black sleek look of the d6 is still sexier despite your lack of taste my friend.
Ok, right, you win... I cannot discuss the quality of sound of both of them because i couln'd have a chance to compare them in equivalent circumstances. :D
Let's go on a point that both of us will (I hope) agree: desipite the mike you put inside, your bass drum sound can only be as good as your natural bass drum sound is :)
(Oh, and the "eggy" look of the 52 is maybe not as sexy as your d6, but it still looks damn cool, uh?! :P)
depends on how many drums. here's what u need to start: 1. laptop (w/ 1/8" to 1/4"/RCA cable) 2. passive mixer(behringer makes one for $100) 3. mike kit(CAD makes a good one-7piece- for $200) 4. recording software(Adobe Audition is great and inexpensive-less than $200) 5. mic cables/stands-thats it, your set
or you can also save more if you buy the software pirated for $5, no joking, if you are not selling your music but just recording for fun or recording demos then it wouldn't be a bad choice..
yeah... I don't use my home computer for work or anyhing just for fun so I have office original but some others like photoshop and this one that I use to edit music and another to rip DVDs into my ipod... but if you are gonna use them to distribute your music... it's better to have the originals... but with low budget, low prices don't hurt..
Great Video;I think sticking just an SM57 on your snare drum will do you enough good; IF it is a good snare drum. Your kick is good and punchy but an EMAD (made by evans...duh) will give you some KILLER low end and the toms are decent sounding but could stand to resonate more.
Excellent video, I've been drumming for about six months now and for our bands home recordings I've just used a drum machine program since I'm on a budget. You guys should make another video like this but have your overall costs much lower.
I really dislike the double micing of snares,the top alone sounds great its nice and full and so it seems kind of erroneous to need two mics. Im not too much a fan of close mic'ed anyways, i think if you got the overheads' frequencies balanced the sound is alot cooler, sometimes it is nice to have a separate mic for bd's and sd's though.
I think often you just need one, but it can be either top or bottom snare. I recorded a drummer whose snare sounded terrible close up to the batter head, but with the combination of the overheads and a bottom snare mic the sound was pretty good all round.
While I find the SM57 a perfect workhorse mic I think using just 1 nice pencil mic or a sennheiser 604 sounds better. The sound comming from the metal also sounds funny, not very natural.
thanx, i already figured that out by googleing. but not every setting will work... you'll have to stay below some bitrates so that they don't re-encode the stuff... audio 128kbps, video 192kbps... myspace video quality is far better and stereo by default.
Excellent video, I hate your choice in mics (except the snare top and OH choices) but still excellent video. The end sounds (even for dry) IMO could be alot better.
I started up a blog on home recording for beginners. Check out my channel and the link is in my latest video.
JFoBTQ 1 month ago
You can already buy a drum kit with the combined prices of your instrument mics. =)
Vtecrocker101 5 months ago in playlist Recording Techniques
I think your recording is ameture and dull superficial
your mics are mediocre and you did not say what preamps you are using
but really you need to learn and experiment a little bit more before you even think about posting a 101 video about mic positioning and recording ....
good luck in the future\
gruzina 1 year ago
Why don't you mic up my ballbag?
Jimiluckum 1 year ago
WOW that might be the worst snare sound ever!
APWPaint 1 year ago
Hate to say it- of course it is a matter of preference but those drum sounds are Horrible!- especially the kick drum.!! Ruke of thumb for most recordings as a starting point stand back from a drum set or- better yet sit on the throne and listen to how the set sounds- Then mic the kit and compare. - clickety clickety kick sounds are the worst thing to happen to recorded audio in 30 years!
markymcclellan 1 year ago
sorry but the mix doesn't sound. great job on explanation though
gilvan09 1 year ago
well at my church they just use regular microphones and it sounds alot better than this
hellboy1765 1 year ago
Sennhiser MD421-II's are better for toms
ryanward421 1 year ago
sounds shit
powc05 1 year ago
And remember when recording a snare with 2 mics, flip the phase on one of them (usually the bottom one) to keep a snare from sound thin and crappy.
Colliernator1000 1 year ago
in terms of equipment, what do i need? all ive found out from these vids is what mics to use and where to put them, what do i use to actually record?
scoty123123 1 year ago
lol chains fail! snares lol
chino9992 1 year ago
led zepplin also recorded drums at the bottom of stone staircases within a castle...what's your point?
metallica is not a drum sound i would go for either...very fake sounding
my point was that for recording 101...one 57 angled in on the snare would be most efficient.
amusingisthedawn 1 year ago
For anything OTHER than jazz...putting a pic underneath the snare is soooo fucking dumb. I thought this was drum recording 101? Since when is 2 mics on any one instrument considered 101?
amusingisthedawn 1 year ago
i didnt like at all your snare drum sound,
drumermfla 1 year ago
i used to mic top and bottom but know cuz i have an ocdp set it broke my bottom mic
freestylefilmsinc 2 years ago
the chains r snare wires
dckeyhill 2 years ago
ive got my drum mics, and a laptop. What is a good solution to start recording? Mixer and interface? Usb interface with 5 mic inputs? I have 5 mics.
etherealeyes 2 years ago
get a mixer, either a usb mixer or just a mixer.
Then plug in the mics to the mixer. if u get a usb mixer, plug it in the usb port. If not then need to buy RCA cables (Red,White thingys) to headphone jack thingy. then plug the RCAs into the mixer and the headphone 1 into the mic jack in ur computer and get recording software and play away
CPlvr 2 years ago
if i were u i had bought a firewire interface. usb interfaces dont work very well. but now put your usb interface to your computer, start your software, put in your mics and strat recording ^^
XD00STEVE00DX 2 years ago
@XD00STEVE00DX
Yeah, that is probably even more cost effective. than a mixer-interface combo. Maybe better sounding too on a budget.
TheProgmagog 2 years ago
An USB interface with 5-6 XLR inputs
pattexer 2 years ago
@etherealeyes
I am not sure, but I think those mixers with a usb output only send a stereo bus into the usb. That would mean you have no control over the drum mix afterward. Best to use a mixer with direct outs from each channel and patch each out to a multi channel interface. That way you can record each mic to a separate track.
TheProgmagog 2 years ago
@etherealeyes firewire interface and a good quality 8 channel mixer
diexico 1 year ago
The 3 to 1 rule doesn't apply your overheads and snare. Therefore the snare is phase-panned badly left. The problem is apparent in the final mix also.
The snare opened the tom gate. That contradicts the purpose of the gate and makes the overall sound picture unnatural.
mrelwood 2 years ago
@mrelwood
Right you are! This guys has no idea of what causes phase problems. 3 to 1 works great on a piano or any other single source instrument. A drum set is not single source. The snare and kick are more crucial to the relative overhead position. That is where distances should be equal. Also mixing dynamic with condenser mics across the toms is a bad idea. either all dynamic or all condenser for reasons too lengthy to go into here.
TheProgmagog 2 years ago
Sm57s are a pretty bad mic for drum sound. they colour the tone like fuck.
DavySolaris 2 years ago
I don't know. Personally, I haven't had huge success with them, either, but they've been used on some of the most famous recordings of all time. I can usually get a great snare sound with a 57.
GeetarAdam 2 years ago
I totally agree. The millions of classic recordings it's been used on sound horrible. What were those thousands of top-level engineers thinking, and continue to think to this day, using such a hunk of crap mic on nearly every concievable instrument?
hipskind 2 years ago
yeah, and the mix on the snare samples were awful.
airsoftguitardrum900 2 years ago
your crazzzzy
Audiowithalex 2 years ago
i've recorded a drum track for my band with just two shitty vocal condenser mics and I've gotten a hell of a lot better sound than this shit.
jacksonguitars25 2 years ago
yeah, he's spent a lot on mics, but he forgets he's got a shitty old kit
jeah33 2 years ago 3
no offence but horrible recording dude?
bumbellee 2 years ago
you spent all of that money and your recordings still sound like shit.
mirrastyle4524 2 years ago 3
If you want to hear the master of the song watch the Reverse audio effect part 1. I think you will notice a difference.
recordbetteraudio 2 years ago 3
@mirrastyle4524 For the record:
Apparently "mirrastyle4524" knows what shit sounds like.
There's nothing more helpful than some douche bag claiming "...it's like shit." Why doesn't anyone ever ask the turd, "Does shit have bad breath, too?"
Netspin1 1 year ago
@Netspin1 there's nothing more annoying then someone reading an obviously figurative phrase and then acting as if it is literal.
mirrastyle4524 1 year ago
i dont have that much money?
could i get away with just using a kick drum and overhead mic?
skaterman339 2 years ago
Yeah easily, i don't get what this Guy's problem is cus, 1 his set still sounds crap. if u want to record good drums having a tuned set removes hours of work and 2 the Mics he uses are expensive. i've got a pair of Samson C02 Microphones for 100 Pounds (about $120/$130) and a crapy vocal dynamic mic and i get better sound then he does.
dasoundengineer 2 years ago
Check out the main video on my page. I recorded drums for that song with just two mics on the set (one on the bass drum and one above my right shoulder pointed toward the snare, as you'll see) and got a pretty legit sound of out it. Just make sure your interface settings are right, don't let the levels get into even the yellow, and you'll get a solid track.
Dumpsterbaby1991 2 years ago
Depends on what sound you're going for. I've done it before. If you're just gonna use a kick mic and a condenser, I'd put the condenser out in the room instead of above the kit. Otherwise you're likely to get too much cymbal and not enough tom/kick.
GeetarAdam 2 years ago
Micing it both ends would get you a fuller sound. But you can't help it if you have the crappiest snare, its the worst snare sound I've ever heard in my life.
carz3nmbid 2 years ago 2
FUCK!!! im sick of these "How to mic a drum set" videos. If the description says how to record drums, SHOW THEM BEING RECORDED!!
fistmeetsurface 2 years ago 7
Oh, god, that sounds awful. The drums are waaaaaaaay too dampened for my tastes.
manka6 2 years ago 3
my god everything for drums is so expensive
drmmrdude66 2 years ago 20
kinda...you don't need to mic everything. just 2 overheads, kick and snare...maybe about $300 for pro mics. mine are behringers so only $130 and i have 5 mics
DeanMLFlame 2 years ago
Why Are the Rack Toms in the Video upside down ? does this make a Diffrence ?
TDM
TheDigitalMafia 2 years ago
it looks to me like they are mounted with a drum hoop...so putting them upside with prevent them from wobbling like mine do...i should try this.
DeanMLFlame 2 years ago
theyre mounted on what looks like some incarnation of PureCussion RIMMS mounts, theyre supposed to be suspended so they wobble and Resonate I would think putting them upside down like that would defeat theyre purpose. it looks cool tho I suppose.. ~8^)
TDM
TheDigitalMafia 2 years ago
whats the average cost of micing a set and do you have to mic one for every gig?
nativewhiteboy24 2 years ago
yeah defo use 2 mics on the snare but all that stuff about the bottom mic being a57 should go right out the window....use a pencil condensor it will pick up the detail of the snare wires better than a 57 ever will.....also if your gating the bottom mic try side chaining it from the top mic to make the snare wires realy burst.....depending on the type of sound your after...
basslabs 2 years ago
does anyone know a program that lets u record drums and guitar and edit it together........not protools something cheeper than that message me thx
narutoman72 2 years ago
I have garageband 3. Is there a reverse phase option on it that i'm not seeing? Little help...
zeroandkg 2 years ago
is double micing the snare better?
Mastershake771 2 years ago
Yes, recently i miced the bottom with a 57, i forgot what we used on the top... but anyway i put some nice reverb on the bottom and it sounded pretty good.
i have the uncompressed mixdown on my page if your interested in how that sounds.
Sc0ttPrian 2 years ago
everything you ever record depends on what sound you are looking for. technique and placement only go so far, don't get me wrong they are both important and may be directly related to how to achieve what you want, but you need to look for the sound first. some times the best accidents achieve the best sounds, dont be afraid to make mistakes just trust your ears.
so to answer is it better to use two mics... It's all about case sensitivity.
JumpStop1 2 years ago
@Mastershake771 one mic up, other down, each one gets a different sound, if you only take the upper mic, it will sound weird.
bestplugins 10 months ago
ok. a lot of people are calling themselves stupid in the comments, so i'll feel at home asking this question here.
when you double mic something, people always say to "switch the phase"
wtf does that mean lol.
Kontaminate 2 years ago
Sound waves go up and down like ocean waves. When an "up" wave combines with an equal "down" wave, the result is nothing (silence). Putting a mic over a snare and under a snare can result in mismatched waves so some frequencies get canceled out. Reversing the phase (either digitally or on your mixer) will make all up-waves become down-waves and vice-versa. This can result in a fuller sound when the two mics combine signals. If you're not sure if you should reverse phase, try it and listen.
rackrecording 2 years ago
Thanks, but in the related videos I found a video explaining this too.
Thanks anyway though!
=]
Kontaminate 2 years ago
Yeah the peaks and troughs in the wave can cause phase cancellation
jamesallan87 2 years ago
I know this may sound pretty stupid, but I'm trying get mics for my kit. I wanna get those DM70's by Nady. My question is, could a normal Mic stand hold that? I know it sounds dumb, but thanks.
septembershostage 2 years ago
You forgot to mention that you should switch the phase on the bottom snare mic
drumur 2 years ago
i'm going to purchase a mic kit, and i was wondering, like, what all do i need to record? as far as wires, splitters, etc. do i need an interface that has 7 inputs or do i just run all mic wires into an adapter and plug it into 1? as you can see, i clearly have no idea what i'm doing. lol i just need to know what all i need to have before i buy, any help will be geatly appreciated. :)
seventeen17van 2 years ago
If you have 7 mics you would (for best results) want something with 7 inputs 7 pre's. Right now a lot of companies sell 8 input units that are fire wire or USB.
recordbetteraudio 2 years ago
is there an alternative to buying a board, a cheaper one. lol
seventeen17van 2 years ago
on second thought, scratch that, i've just discovered that mixers can be fairly inexpensive. is it imperative that i have 7 pre's or can i make due with 4? like, possibly assign the 3 toms to one pre and same with the two overhead condensers... and then snare & kick? would that work? lol please have patience with me, i know i know nothing lol
seventeen17van 2 years ago
A mixer alone won't get the signal recorded into your computer, and you'll want a separate track for each microphone. You'll want to keep all the tracks separate until you have a chance to mix them in your software program. If you have 7 mics, something like the M-Audio Profire 2626 or Presonus FireStudio would be a good place to start.
rackrecording 2 years ago
is it necessary that i record each track separately? is it possible to set the mics to a sound i like and run them into the computer as a single track?
i appreciate thew help, but i have to say, those programs are way outta my budget. i'm just kind of looking for the most basic setup to record with, eventually i'll upgrade
seventeen17van 2 years ago
I've actually come a long way with my recording just using a cheap Behringer mixing board and running that into my computer.
You set up the microphones where and how you want them, and do a lot of trial and error with sound tests until you get each mic sounding the way you want it, then record.
Keep in mind though that, doing this, , you wont be able to adjust any of the individual pieces of your drum kit once the track is recorded.
You can adjust the overall sound, but not individual pieces.
Kontaminate 2 years ago
ahhh, thank you
seventeen17van 2 years ago
anytime
Kontaminate 2 years ago
with my saffire i am able to assign each mic to a different track in logic so i can eq and process each mic sepparately...i use snare, bass drum and two overheads...and i can eq and add efects independently on each one, for example i can put some low pass filter in my bass drum and some flanger in my overheads
mynmyself 2 years ago
i used this technique in my studio and got this final mix with the whole band vv vv vv . myspace . com slash rcstatic
matt87305 3 years ago
i personally dont like the sound of the two mics on the snare drum in this...does any one know how to make it sound better?
adio5467 3 years ago
it was probably a totally dry recording, bear in mind he probably still needs to EQ it and add compression and some reverb
perky596 3 years ago
Also, he has the bottom snare mic louder than I would normally want it. Turning that down, adding a good compressor, a little EQ, and maybe a gated reverb should go a long way.
rackrecording 2 years ago
If I only had the money to buy all the mics and etc. :(
Johnlnw 3 years ago 3
...someone should give us a shit ton of money.
Oakey17 3 years ago
definately.
a1gold174 3 years ago
thank you SO much!
do you have any that talk about affordable drum recording programmes???
rightshot93 3 years ago
i am buying a presonus fire studio audio interface
this comes with the recording program as well this costed me $1000 Australian dollars
drummerguy1234321 3 years ago
i know all about the mics and dat but wha i don know is what do i actually record the drums onto. i undertand dat i run the mics through a mixer to get the right sound but after that i duno wha to record them with, do i jus connect the mixer up to the computer somehow? if someone could reply on my page and help me ou wi this please thanks
treyd2k6 3 years ago
I would use something called an audio interface with 8+ inputs.
studiocupino 3 years ago
or a multi-track recorder
punkrocker33446 3 years ago
Oh yeah. Forgot about those...but never had any hadns on experience. Once it's recorded on a multi-track recorder, is there a way to import all the separate tracks into the computer?
studiocupino 3 years ago
yup and you can also use it as an audio interface or both at the same time.
punkrocker33446 3 years ago
matters what it is, some have memeory cards and some have hard drives but if you have a computer an interface is better
comehead914 3 years ago
bafles? wtf! us british call them screens
gmatt112 3 years ago
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too right mate
dasoundengineer 3 years ago
Thanks for posting this and trying to share knowledge. Don't be put off by some of the negative comments, there are some of us who appreciate it!
donpepperoni0 3 years ago 3
since when was the world raining money??
hernsu 3 years ago 3
lol i knoww
Charredmonolith 3 years ago
lol its a computerized voice
Fire054 3 years ago 2
It's sound like you over compressed the middle of the set, even the symbols. I dont know if you can do enough EQ tampering to fix what you recorded. For you out their looking to record better audio, this is not a good example. The entire set is way to compressed, nothing is there in this track. I think this is just a bad take that was over-compressed for an attempt at rescue.
Laronys 3 years ago
The snare sounds bad.
punk9999643 3 years ago 5
I think that might be because of the actual snare drum, not the micing.
I loved this vid though :)
it inspired me :D
NickBlackDIN 3 years ago
I know it was the snare. (Not sounding like an asshole) Its way too loose. Good recording techs anyways. :)
punk9999643 3 years ago
oh yer coz we all have money floating out our arse
rjproud 3 years ago 2
lmfao
2 shure SM57 for top and bottom head??
no way
kaneman101 3 years ago
k, that's bretty common, and that's not thaatt bad, using 3000 dollar mikes for overhesad is pricyier!
sifs4 3 years ago
i love how he talks in a computer like voice
SirLola666 3 years ago
what gay?
Hydraulacost 3 years ago
u need to turn the bottom snare mic down a LOT, and losen the wires a bit. they are choked and cold sounding. also, you should invert the phase on the bottom mic. and EQ that hi hat mic alot better. if you point it there the drummer stick makes the hit with teh hihat. it will sound better. to control bleed, just give a low/mid cut and you sound be all set. you shouldnt need to much hi-hats in the mix anyway, ur over heads will pick up a fair bit of hi-hat anyway.
bookick 3 years ago
thanks! where can i find the GLS es 57's?
Travisimo59 3 years ago
are Electro voice cobalt CO 4 instrament mics good? for toms?
Travisimo59 3 years ago
yup! they're sure SM57 clones really. I would suggest GLS audo es-57's though. they're CHEAP and sound wonderful. I like them a lot more than real 57's actually, they've got a bit more tonality.
FuturaMusic 3 years ago
where are the micrphones conected?
hectorslollol 3 years ago
this whole thing sounds like shit. the release on the gates is way to short, the kick has no point on it, everything is compressed way too much, and you shouldn't put room mics right in the corner of your room. they should be pulled back a couple feet at least. sound pressure builds in corners which will cause peakes and dips and will not sound natural. and using baffels with the overheads will ruin your room sound too.
junkbunny1 3 years ago
You must know alot of recording stuff. Is cool if I add you to friends list? I'd like To chat with you about recording. =]
BleedingToBreathe 3 years ago
COOL MEN!!!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH
BananaRecordsPhil 3 years ago
im on a low BUGET!!!! but i already have 2 dynamic mics and a vocal. i might just buy the Cad Pro-4 drum mic pack 4 $100. comes with case and special mic clips so it can go directly on the drum. then save up for an 8 channel 2.0 usb mixer for $150. :) plus discounts!!!
eddyafritz 3 years ago
man, rentals are the answer to low budgets. i rented a whole drum recording mic kit for 14 bucks+20 deposit @ L&M
chrisbrownrockandrol 3 years ago
never, mind i just bought drum mic kit for my set for $100. + i already had 2 dynamic mics and 1 vocal.
eddyafritz 3 years ago
beta 57 slaughters the sm 57 haha. but the best mic reallly to use for anything is either the EV RE 20 or the EV RE 27, you can record anything, and i mean anything with those mics, and it will sound unreallllll haha
AscheZuAsche3406 3 years ago
The snare sound awful, but actually all these recordings are very unnatural. The kick sounds like electric drums. I've heard better sound using just a few condensors, with finely tuned drums.
BokorugroRR 3 years ago 2
never heard of apex mics. i'm guessing they're a crappy chinese brand? overall great mic setup, but i would leave out the hihat mic unless you really have a good reason to use it. using it just for a louder hihat chick is a waste of an extra mic.
drumphenom11 3 years ago
Your Toms sound way better than anything else on the kit besides the snare. Buy some real Mics and get away from cheap junk.
Rule of thumb, You cannot polish a turd - Good sounding drums produce good sound when mic'd properly.
2x EV - RE200 for Overheads
1x EV - RE200 for High Hat
2x SM57 for Snare (180 out of Phase) (W/A little reverb for presence)
1x EV - RE20 for Kick (Remember, Compression is your friend)
2x EV N/D468 For Rack toms
1x EV N/D468 for the floor tom
Happy Recording/Live
klo555 3 years ago
muy buen aporte gracias
Pablisss54 3 years ago
rack tom's sound great! that's a gretsch kit, non?
Lifesucksdie123 3 years ago
drum set suck..:(
amortec500 3 years ago
for all the equipment and painstaking detail this guy uses, he doesn't get a very good sound.
MikeyFlorida 3 years ago 7
look at his videos dude.
this guy is all pro tools.
Rochambeau1337 3 years ago
nah there are lot more expensive stuff. But his stuff is semi-pro i would say
CKYer101 3 years ago
it's cubase 4 actually
stellastory 3 years ago
I think the drums sound very dead here. This is also VERY unenthusiastic. i am very interested in recording drums, but i was bored by this interview.
PaulStewart08 3 years ago 2
great vid!!! i was wondering about this.
goopi3 3 years ago
holy crap...y are mics so expensive!
goopi3 3 years ago
these mics are all pretty cheap
take a look at blue mics if you want to see some expensive ones
jgjrjgjr 3 years ago 3
kick and floor tom sound like shit. dunno if it's youtube compression or not
DROIDStheBAND 3 years ago
With a 28" bass drum,14x12,16x16,and a ludwig 402 with paiste 2002s, i'd get a real big fat sound but mics are damn expensive, plus you need a mixin desk and software. I feel bad asking my mum for that amount of stuff.
mapexmadman 3 years ago
It's true. Experimenting with tuning is fun and the more practice you have the better you get. I want to do some home recordings of my drums but i can't afford it :(.
mapexmadman 3 years ago
yeah....luckly for me (who is trying to record with friends in their basement) i have friends and have relatives that have this kind of stuff
Bassmasta94632 3 years ago
This was pretty interesting. Thanks for uploading!
ACDCBoy62 3 years ago
What a horrible kick drum sound... I just thought I'd put that out there.
I wish I had access to some more mics, but I did a pretty good job (I think) with 3 decent mics. I skipped alot though: 1 Large Diaphragm to mic the snare and high hat and high rack tom; 1 vocal mic placed inside thie kick heavily condensed, and one overhead. Like his snare sound better though.
Mitchzizzle 3 years ago
You should try to get two overheads for a more stereo sound.
llanafreak44 3 years ago
Only thing about that is I only have 2 cymbals and they are both on the same side of my kit :P. I would like to get a stereo pair though for that, I agree.
Mitchzizzle 3 years ago
Kick sound is not that bad... actually it has quite a greaat lot of punch often associated with more "modern" music.
simonpca 3 years ago
I know the clicky sound you speak of. I am of the mind that a kick drum should not sound clickier than a snare. This is a -Cough- "Kick" sound found mostly in screamo metal beands on indie labels. Most good engineers know how to make a kick drum sound clicky but still have something called "Bass".
Mitchzizzle 3 years ago 2
That's just great, nice tutorial. I don't like the sound of the snare though.
metabog 4 years ago 5
i think its funny how much everyone spends on mics.
i got a great drum sound out of a bunch of random vocal mics, two Apex 410 condenser overheads, and directional mic on the snare.
None of the mics cost over 100 bucks.
grungymole 4 years ago
yea, i agree. i bought a kick mic and thats the only "drum" mic that i have, my favorite snare mic of all time is a (yes i have tried the sm57)shure speech mic that i found for $20 used. It sounds awesome!
sunderrock 3 years ago
yeah i bought a decent kick and snare mic and then i stole my little sisters' karaoke mics for the tome lol.
mjs4691 3 years ago
Depends on what you want to do and what sound you want to achieve!
simonpca 3 years ago
I disagree. IMO, there are so much elements to consider before EQ and reverb, such as quality of drums and heads, tuning, choice of microphone, placement of microphones (damn important).. EQ and reverb are for sure very important elements to a drum sound, but the drums should be able to sound good even without them.
simonpca 4 years ago
well of course but i think compression is a must
SinisterDisaster 4 years ago
d112 is the best for the kick drum
DirtyLittleDjs 4 years ago
Beta 52A isn't bad too :P
simonpca 4 years ago
audix D6 is the best!
ymmitg 4 years ago
Cannot say much there, didn't compare both..
But ADMIT that the Beta 52 looks better than the D-6 :D Kind of round-shaped, and all :P
simonpca 4 years ago
Looks aren't a issue when discussing the quality of sound! but still in my opinion the black sleek look of the d6 is still sexier despite your lack of taste my friend.
ymmitg 4 years ago
Ok, right, you win... I cannot discuss the quality of sound of both of them because i couln'd have a chance to compare them in equivalent circumstances. :D
Let's go on a point that both of us will (I hope) agree: desipite the mike you put inside, your bass drum sound can only be as good as your natural bass drum sound is :)
(Oh, and the "eggy" look of the 52 is maybe not as sexy as your d6, but it still looks damn cool, uh?! :P)
Have a nice day!
simonpca 4 years ago
i will say this tho, invest in Shure SM57 for snare, it's great and i just mic the top
hughman174 4 years ago
SM57 is just great for anything... I play guitar and there is nothing better out there
rodrigozamo 4 years ago
SM57 is really the swiss knife of sound engineering, both live and recording :D
simonpca 4 years ago
heres what I say when someone tells me the Beta 52 is better than any of the two Microphone d112 or d6..... Shuuuuuuure
ymmitg 4 years ago 2
I didn't say it's better, i said "isn't bad too". These three microphones are references in bass drum miking :P
Cheers!
Simon
simonpca 4 years ago
have any suggestions for someone on a budget?
eaturdrums1994 4 years ago
depends on how many drums. here's what u need to start: 1. laptop (w/ 1/8" to 1/4"/RCA cable) 2. passive mixer(behringer makes one for $100) 3. mike kit(CAD makes a good one-7piece- for $200) 4. recording software(Adobe Audition is great and inexpensive-less than $200) 5. mic cables/stands-thats it, your set
hughman174 4 years ago
thanks, ill keep this in mind
eaturdrums1994 4 years ago
or you can also save more if you buy the software pirated for $5, no joking, if you are not selling your music but just recording for fun or recording demos then it wouldn't be a bad choice..
rodrigozamo 4 years ago
seriously?
eaturdrums1994 4 years ago
yeah... I don't use my home computer for work or anyhing just for fun so I have office original but some others like photoshop and this one that I use to edit music and another to rip DVDs into my ipod... but if you are gonna use them to distribute your music... it's better to have the originals... but with low budget, low prices don't hurt..
rodrigozamo 4 years ago
Great Video;I think sticking just an SM57 on your snare drum will do you enough good; IF it is a good snare drum. Your kick is good and punchy but an EMAD (made by evans...duh) will give you some KILLER low end and the toms are decent sounding but could stand to resonate more.
Holdurfire 4 years ago
i reckon just the one mic over the snare drum sounds better
MoshWheeler 4 years ago
Excellent video, I've been drumming for about six months now and for our bands home recordings I've just used a drum machine program since I'm on a budget. You guys should make another video like this but have your overall costs much lower.
mustard29 4 years ago
I really dislike the double micing of snares,the top alone sounds great its nice and full and so it seems kind of erroneous to need two mics. Im not too much a fan of close mic'ed anyways, i think if you got the overheads' frequencies balanced the sound is alot cooler, sometimes it is nice to have a separate mic for bd's and sd's though.
RNRDOLL 4 years ago 2
yea, i completely agree with you, its like.. who wants that rattly sound with your snare? notttt me. lol.
Jonathangoodmanmusic 4 years ago
Well. I say dual micing snare is a good idea but you have to have a good snare first. It can add real snap to the snare and gives it presence.
HenryLJ 4 years ago
I think often you just need one, but it can be either top or bottom snare. I recorded a drummer whose snare sounded terrible close up to the batter head, but with the combination of the overheads and a bottom snare mic the sound was pretty good all round.
PQleyR 4 years ago
The 57 is just done to death,IMO. Especially on the snare top.
yourboyrandyfoye 4 years ago
While I find the SM57 a perfect workhorse mic I think using just 1 nice pencil mic or a sennheiser 604 sounds better. The sound comming from the metal also sounds funny, not very natural.
retepvosnul 4 years ago
gotta say, i'm not feelin the snare sound out of that setup, but great commentary for an interested musician!
dicostu 4 years ago
how did you get this video in stereo on youtube?
alghanor 4 years ago
If you upload the video in a .flv format.
recordbetteraudio 4 years ago
thanx, i already figured that out by googleing. but not every setting will work... you'll have to stay below some bitrates so that they don't re-encode the stuff... audio 128kbps, video 192kbps... myspace video quality is far better and stereo by default.
alghanor 4 years ago
Excellent video, I hate your choice in mics (except the snare top and OH choices) but still excellent video. The end sounds (even for dry) IMO could be alot better.
GuitarGodgt 4 years ago